garandman1a:  destrip: garandman1a: Umm, they keep describing them as "anti-government", yet they fled to Cuba, one of the most totalitarian countries on the planet?
Methinks maybe they didn't think their cunning plan all the way through.

Meh, those people are so anti-Obama that they'd much rather live in Best Korea than accept Obama as President.
I'm pretty much one of the anti-Obama people myself, and while I see little difference between the way Obama WANTS to run the country (he has more than once wished he could run things like China which, while not Cuba is close enough) and the way the Castro brothers DO run the country, I do know that the Amercian system does have checks and balances to prevent the US from going full-on totalitarian.
Therefore, I maintain the plan wasn't well thought out. There are tons of places to hide out in this country where the reach of the feds is minimal & being caught is pretty negligible. And they would seem to like those types of places.

I think these guys are religious whackadoos and easily influenced by fearmongering propaganda.  But that doesn't give the government the right to take your kids away.  FFS they can't even take the kids away when their religion bars them from giving very basic life saving treatment to otherwise fatal diseases.

I've never heard of pot being dangerous to smoke around children.  I've heard of lots of people getting drunk and beating their kids though.  Seen a lot of people smoke their cigarettes all day with the kids in the room or the car.  That's a lot worse than a smoke that people tend to inhale until there is no second hand smoke.  Nobody is taking those kids away.

Everything i've ever been told about CPS is it's an authoritarian nightmare full of egocentric maniacs.  They create living hell over accusations that would be meaningless in a courtroom.  If i had to deal with them and failed to get my kids back i'd be real tempted to take them back by force.

I don't think their kids should have been taken away, but the current state of affairs makes it hard for me to think the kids should be returned.  They took bad and made it a hell of a lot worse, but they might not have had any options left.

Silverstaff: Position 3: ?

Their favorite, rectal cranial inversion. It's a solo act.

Bruce Campbell: shortymac: While he was arrested for pot, there's more to this story:

1) Cops were called to their motel room because of a domestic disturbance
2) We're talking about "going to Armageddon with their children"
3) Huge cache of guns (can't afford an apartment, but have lots of guns?Had a gun and a hunting knife.
4) Tried to forcibly take away the kids from their foster home with a gun Banged on a door, demanding his kids back. Left when he couldn't get in.

Some grade A nutters if you ask me.

FTFY
1) Newsflash:  Parents having an argument
2) Kirk Cameron talks about the rapture and being left behind.  He has no business having custody of his 6 kids

That is what you got wrong about the story.  Other than that, good job.

First off, the "foster home" part has been reported previously:

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2013/04/sheriff_says_florida_cou pl e_ki.html

Joshua Hakken lost custody of his sons last year after a drug possession arrest in Louisiana, and he later tried to take them from a foster home at gunpoint, authorities have said. Authorities have previously characterized the Hakkens as "anti-government."

And I have another one for you:

he sheriff's office alleges that Joshua Michael Hakken entered his mother-in-law's house north of Tampa early Wednesday, tied her up and fled with his sons, 4-year-old Cole and 2-year-old Chase.

What if Kirk Cameron had done that?

Bruce Campbell: manimal2878: It's called a hypothetical.

Can't be.  You said I was wrong.  Tell me how.  Enlighten me on the things material to this situation that have not been brought to light by the media reporting it so that I can stop looking for enough to determine this guy and his wife such significant danger to his children that they needed to be removed.

Assuming that he was not smoking it in front of the kids was the hypothetical retard.

Bruce Campbell: FC Exile: If someone removed my kids from me because I had pot at a protest, I'd probably take them back by force and run as well. Not saying that's what happened. I'd like more info.

There was no protest.  Or rally.  Detective from LA:  "Mr. Hakken, as far as we know, was not at an anti-government rally. I never made that statement and don't know where that came from."  http://reason.com/blog/2013/04/04/anti-government-couple-who-a bducted- thei

Well, this is more interesting than the story itself.

Who wants to bet 'anti-government' is a term we'll start hearing a lot of in the media?

susler: Good for Cuba in returning them.

Had Reno not returned the Gonzalez kid, they may not have.

Cuba doesn't want harsh relations with the US as a reversal of the embargo would really help their tourist trade.  Returning kidnapped children was not only the right thing to do morally but it gets them good PR.

I was once at a party in my carefree youth.   Met a couple who wanted me to go home with them, and I was half-drunk and curious, so I left the party with them.   They had quite the boudoir with silk sheets, harnesses, toys, etc.   They also had a GOP Kama Sutra book.  We smoked illegal substances and tried most of the positions in the book, including the Reverse Janet Reno.   The evening came to a grisly end and a trip to the Emergency room.

Do not attempt the Reverse Janet Reno.

Umm, they keep describing them as "anti-government", yet they fled to Cuba, one of the most totalitarian countries on the planet?

Methinks maybe they didn't think their cunning plan all the way through.