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2013-04-10 11:09:54 AM
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Especially now that it's been used as a big Kleenex.
 
2013-04-10 11:14:45 AM
Here's the money quote of this article:

"As described by Salon, the flag was given to McLaughlin by Sen. Chuck Schumer's office for his aid to victims on 9/11. He brought the flag to Iraq, thinking he'd take a photo of it overseas. Then, his commander asked to borrow it to drape over the head of the Iraqi dictator's statue."

The poor SOB believed the Bush Adminstration BS  linking Saddam and 9/11 and went to war thinking he was getting Payback for the WTC victims

NO WONDER he's more than a little bitter about the experience now:
For the 35-year-old lawyer, who provides free legal services to homeless and low-income veterans, victory is not what he remembers. "For me it was a period of death and killing people. I don't like that it facilitated the media's narrative of wars as neat and tidy things, so that's why when I got back home I just put it away."

beyond Poltics or partisanship  THIS is why I consider George Bush one of the wprst presidents in US history:  he broke faith with our soldiers, and sent them to war on an intentional lie, and let all their suffering and sacrifice be for nothing at all
 
2013-04-10 11:45:40 AM
Why doesn't this troop support the troops?
 
2013-04-10 11:48:27 AM

Magorn: Here's the money quote of this article:

"As described by Salon, the flag was given to McLaughlin by Sen. Chuck Schumer's office for his aid to victims on 9/11. He brought the flag to Iraq, thinking he'd take a photo of it overseas. Then, his commander asked to borrow it to drape over the head of the Iraqi dictator's statue."

The poor SOB believed the Bush Adminstration BS  linking Saddam and 9/11 and went to war thinking he was getting Payback for the WTC victims

NO WONDER he's more than a little bitter about the experience now:
For the 35-year-old lawyer, who provides free legal services to homeless and low-income veterans, victory is not what he remembers. "For me it was a period of death and killing people. I don't like that it facilitated the media's narrative of wars as neat and tidy things, so that's why when I got back home I just put it away."

beyond Poltics or partisanship  THIS is why I consider George Bush one of the wprst presidents in US history:  he broke faith with our soldiers, and sent them to war on an intentional lie, and let all their suffering and sacrifice be for nothing at all


Read Generation Kill. Many of those guys were already aware of the bullshiat early on with the mis-managed invasion and the aftermath. Hell, the Senior NCOs in the book even begin to wonder if there even was some sort of occupation plan.

Hint: there wasn't. I can't blame him for being disillusioned. Many of the vets I teach are the exact same way. They paid a pretty heavy price for Bush/Rumsfelds/Cheney's macho man war.

One of my wife's teabagger Uncles was openly questioning how much the taxpayer (that's his shtick, asking how much "the taxpayer" contributes) contributed towards the death insurance of somebody very close to the family's death in 2003. Guy was shot at the end of the "shock and awe" portion of the war as they entered Baghdad.The Uncle was told to stop it and not delve so deep into a very sensitive subject, especially with bullshiat teabag politics that he gets from watching too much Fox and spending hours reading pseudo media sites.  Of course the idiot supported the Iraq war, he just doesn't want to pay for the broken and dead soldiers coming out of it.
 
2013-04-10 11:49:13 AM
And the guy with the sledgehammer who was helping smash the base of the statue... now has had to flee Iraq and somewhat wishes Saddam were still in power, since things were more stable when he was there.
 
2013-04-10 11:50:40 AM
Can't imagine why he's embarrassed about the whole event.

a1.vsoh.com
 
2013-04-10 11:51:01 AM

Magorn: and let all their suffering and sacrifice be for nothing at all


I would not call one upping Daddy and war profiteering nothing at all...
 
2013-04-10 11:53:53 AM
Good for him.

Thank you marine.
 
2013-04-10 12:04:37 PM

trotsky: Magorn: Here's the money quote of this article:

"As described by Salon, the flag was given to McLaughlin by Sen. Chuck Schumer's office for his aid to victims on 9/11. He brought the flag to Iraq, thinking he'd take a photo of it overseas. Then, his commander asked to borrow it to drape over the head of the Iraqi dictator's statue."

The poor SOB believed the Bush Adminstration BS  linking Saddam and 9/11 and went to war thinking he was getting Payback for the WTC victims

NO WONDER he's more than a little bitter about the experience now:
For the 35-year-old lawyer, who provides free legal services to homeless and low-income veterans, victory is not what he remembers. "For me it was a period of death and killing people. I don't like that it facilitated the media's narrative of wars as neat and tidy things, so that's why when I got back home I just put it away."

beyond Poltics or partisanship  THIS is why I consider George Bush one of the wprst presidents in US history:  he broke faith with our soldiers, and sent them to war on an intentional lie, and let all their suffering and sacrifice be for nothing at all

Read Generation Kill. Many of those guys were already aware of the bullshiat early on with the mis-managed invasion and the aftermath. Hell, the Senior NCOs in the book even begin to wonder if there even was some sort of occupation plan.

Hint: there wasn't. I can't blame him for being disillusioned. Many of the vets I teach are the exact same way. They paid a pretty heavy price for Bush/Rumsfelds/Cheney's macho man war.

One of my wife's teabagger Uncles was openly questioning how much the taxpayer (that's his shtick, asking how much "the taxpayer" contributes) contributed towards the death insurance of somebody very close to the family's death in 2003. Guy was shot at the end of the "shock and awe" portion of the war as they entered Baghdad.The Uncle was told to stop it and not delve so deep into a very sensitive subject, especially with bullshiat teabag p ...


I can't prove this, but, I'm about 90% certain after reading everything I could about the invasion of Iraq and the run up to it, that no, no we did not have an occupation plan for Iraq,  And the reason for this , as Near as I can tell is that Cheney, and the PNAC set (Scooter Libby in particular) were suckered into the most expensive con job in history by a man named Ahmed Chalabi.   As head of "the Iraqi National Congress"  Chalabi was lionized by the Neo-con set (Scooter libby once famously calling him "the George Washington of Iraq")   His INC  also produced "defectors" who were the source for nearly all the intelligence about Iraq having WMDS and all the lurid tales of Saddam's human sized shredders and concrete soccer balls and the like, and both before and during the war He was Judy Miller's main source (she was even his houseguest when she all but commandeered command of the Us Military teams looking for WMDS and sent them chasing around the country based on his "intel").

The architects of the war were convinced that Chalabi had a a devoted and loyal following back in iraq, was a beloved leader-in-exile figure whose followers would pour into the streets and sweep him into power when Saddam was deposed.  The CIA knew better, and told the War's Planner's so, but they were ignored.  Instead the DIA bought Chalabi a mercenary army and chartered a plane for him so he could land in Baghdad just as US troops were liberating it.  The photo-op/publicity stunt this story is about was staged for Chalabi's benefit by the DIA, those are his men surrounding the statue, keeping the populace away,  just out of the frame of most of the shots we've seen of this event.  The whole idea was to replace Saddam with a new strongman friendly to US interests and then return to business as usual in the country

The plan had a minor flaw:  Not only wasn't Chalabi a beloved leader with a devoted resistance movement in the country, most Iraqis had no earthly Idea who the fark he was.  Who he really was  was a crooked banker from Jordan of Iraqi ancestry who was avoiding a death sentence in Jordan  for his role in the Enron-style collapse of the country's largest bank.  He also, as time later proved was either always, or later became, a double agent for Iranian intelligence, passing on to them all the sophistacated crypto-gear we gave him, and when the time was right, someone who thought nothing of abandoning US interests and allying himself with Moqtada Al-Sadr-the main leader of the insurgent forces in Iraq.
 
2013-04-10 12:09:34 PM
I can think of 5 other Marines and one Navy corpsman who may have been disillusioned and traumatized in their flag related task. Although three of the Marines weren't disillusioned long or had time to be bitter.
 
2013-04-10 12:12:03 PM

wingnut396: Magorn: and let all their suffering and sacrifice be for nothing at all

I would not call one upping Daddy and war profiteering nothing at all...


THIS.

It was never meant to "succeed". You all should have known that when they couldn't tell us what success would look like. It was meant to be an unstable shiatstorm where defense contractors and oil men could make money.
 
2013-04-10 12:14:51 PM
I recall watching the event.

It seemed like a fark-up to use the USA flag according to the reaction of the crowd. To me, it symbolized that the US had the wrong approach to the "liberation" of Iraq and didn't understand shiat about the people they were "liberating".

No wonder he does to want to give up that flag for public dsplay.

IIRC, they quickly substituted and Iraq flag to the cheers of the crowd.

/and it was also a very difficult statue to tear down.
 
2013-04-10 12:14:55 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: wingnut396: Magorn: and let all their suffering and sacrifice be for nothing at all

I would not call one upping Daddy and war profiteering nothing at all...

THIS.

It was never meant to "succeed". You all should have known that when they couldn't tell us what success would look like. It was meant to be an unstable shiatstorm where defense contractors and oil men could make money.


...and leave the next (likely Democratic) President with a huge budget deficit to explain.
 
2013-04-10 12:16:14 PM
Too complicated to comment on.

Marine taking a stand.
 
2013-04-10 12:21:03 PM

jmr61: Good for him. Thank you marine.


Yes, Thank you marine.
 
2013-04-10 12:37:29 PM
I'm seeing a lot of really bitter, snarky assholes in this thread and an article about one really bitter Marine.

Meanwhile, there's a WW II vet that remembers the hundreds of thousands of German civilians killed in the process of taking down Nazi Germany, shakes his head at all of you, and goes back to reading his paper.  War is not something one engages in lightly.  People die.  Fathers, mothers, sons and daughters die.

I have said a million times since the start of the Iraq War that the right call was made based upon what we knew at the time.  I still believe that.  I have also said that the occupation was botched early on and it was only later that we finally figured out what the fark we were doing and if you have to point a finger of blame at Bush & Co. point it there.  There is no need for tin foil hat grand conspiracy theories about winning daddy's war, big oil, or anything else that makes you no better than the people still looking for the hidden UN troops on US soil.
 
2013-04-10 12:45:23 PM
This event was all about Ahmed Chalabi. The soldiers involved were pawns. End of story.
 
2013-04-10 12:46:01 PM

hdhale: I have said a million times since the start of the Iraq War that the right call was made based upon what we knew at the time. I still believe that.


No, it wasn't.
 
2013-04-10 12:57:27 PM

hdhale: There is no need for tin foil hat grand conspiracy theories about winning daddy's war, big oil, or anything else that makes you no better than the people still looking for the hidden UN troops on US soil.


I don't understand....are you saying oil had nothing to do with the war?  These days I seem to hear "oil" more than "WMD".
 
2013-04-10 12:59:44 PM

hdhale: I have said a million times since the start of the Iraq War that the right call was made based upon what we knew at the time. I still believe that.


How? MI6 came out and said they were forced to sign off on the document Shrub and Cheney pointed to.
CIA officers have said their reports were routinely ignored.
CIA told the administration that Curveball was a known liar.
Sadam and the Sunnis hated Iran (and Taliban) Shiates.
The only way any person today can still believe that is willful ignorance. Or blind party affiliation.
 
2013-04-10 01:01:03 PM

Red Shirt Blues: I can think of 5 other Marines and one Navy corpsman who may have been disillusioned and traumatized in their flag related task. Although three of the Marines weren't disillusioned long or had time to be bitter.


Are you talking about Iwo Jima, or did I miss something more recently? Poor Ira Hayes, though.

Satanic_Hamster: hdhale: I have said a million times since the start of the Iraq War that the right call was made based upon what we knew at the time. I still believe that.

No, it wasn't.


Bingo. The intel was BS at the time, and everybody knew it.
 
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2013-04-10 01:02:57 PM

hdhale: I'm seeing a lot of really bitter, snarky assholes in this thread and an article about one really bitter Marine.

Meanwhile, there's a WW II vet that remembers the hundreds of thousands of German civilians killed in the process of taking down Nazi Germany, shakes his head at all of you, and goes back to reading his paper.  War is not something one engages in lightly.  People die.  Fathers, mothers, sons and daughters die.

I have said a million times since the start of the Iraq War that the right call was made based upon what we knew at the time.  I still believe that.  I have also said that the occupation was botched early on and it was only later that we finally figured out what the fark we were doing and if you have to point a finger of blame at Bush & Co. point it there.  There is no need for tin foil hat grand conspiracy theories about winning daddy's war, big oil, or anything else that makes you no better than the people still looking for the hidden UN troops on US soil.


Who's "we"? There were many people who didn't believe the lies that they heard because there were serious red flags (Magorn mentioned something of this upthread), and they turned out to be right. You're seriously making the argument that they were wrong for not believing the lies back then? Instead of second-guessing your own process, you're saying that "the people who saw through all that BS back at the beginning are the ones who were wrong"?

Ok, no need to answer that, obviously that's exactly what you're saying.

Things like this are where positive thinking and a can-do attitude are disasters - become too optimistic and sure of yourself, and you become unable to learn from your mistakes or even admit that you made any...
 
2013-04-10 01:03:14 PM
Halliburton made $39.5 billion. That we know of.
 
2013-04-10 01:15:25 PM

dv-ous: Red Shirt Blues: I can think of 5 other Marines and one Navy corpsman who may have been disillusioned and traumatized in their flag related task. Although three of the Marines weren't disillusioned long or had time to be bitter.

Are you talking about Iwo Jima, or did I miss something more recently? Poor Ira Hayes, though.

Satanic_Hamster: hdhale: I have said a million times since the start of the Iraq War that the right call was made based upon what we knew at the time. I still believe that.

No, it wasn't.

Bingo. The intel was BS at the time, and everybody knew it.


Yes, I was talking about Iwo Jima. Ira Hayes, the poster child for PTSD.
 
2013-04-10 01:15:45 PM

Witty_Retort: Halliburton made $39.5 billion. That we know of.


Exactly, I don't know why people type up thousands of words to describe what is, has, and always will be the cause for our "wars":  Money.
 
2013-04-10 01:18:16 PM

hdhale: I'm seeing a lot of really bitter, snarky assholes in this thread and an article about one really bitter Marine.

Meanwhile, there's a WW II vet that remembers the hundreds of thousands of German civilians killed in the process of taking down Nazi Germany, shakes his head at all of you, and goes back to reading his paper.  War is not something one engages in lightly.  People die.  Fathers, mothers, sons and daughters die.

I have said a million times since the start of the Iraq War that the right call was made based upon what we knew at the time.  I still believe that.  I have also said that the occupation was botched early on and it was only later that we finally figured out what the fark we were doing and if you have to point a finger of blame at Bush & Co. point it there.  There is no need for tin foil hat grand conspiracy theories about winning daddy's war, big oil, or anything else that makes you no better than the people still looking for the hidden UN troops on US soil.


I know you WANT to believe that, but it simply, proveably, objectively  IS NOT TRUE.  NO ONE at a decision-making level of the US Government ever seriously believed that Saddam possesed WMDs that were a threat to the us.   You really need to google "Lt. Col Karen Kwaitowski" and "The New Pentagon Papers"  to get an eyewitness account, from a Reagan appointee,  on EXACTLY how the evidence was being manipulated.  The CIA kept telling the president (and even more specifically Cheney and Scooter Libby) that the was exactly zero reliable evidence to support the idea that Iraq had WMDS, so in response, Cheney had Rumsfeld  turn the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans into an intel shop specifically tasked with finding any scrap of intel from anywhere, no matter how dubious or unreliable to justify the position that Saddam was a danger.

Cheney's hand-written notes from 9/11 as released by the 9/11 Commission show a margin note on document he was looking at on the very day of the attack, two years before the invasion  where he says something to the effect of "have to find a way to tie this to Iraq and Saddam"

and then there is the Downing Street Memo- a leaked memo from a meeting with the British Prime Minister in July of 202 where his senior diplomat told him tha the US was determined to invade Iraq and " the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

I wish it were otherwise, but there were never any good intentions gone wrong in this war.  and as for the reason the recontruction went so horribly, read "Life in the emerald City"  which explains that at the outset of the recontruction,  a conservative aparatchik (and wife of a well-known conservative pundit)  was given complete control over who got what jobs during the reconstruction, and he used his power to try to create in Iraq the free-market Utopia conservatives always believe is possible, awarding jobs to people on the basis of ideology rather than competence (which is how a 26-year old graduate of regents U, for example got put in charge of managing Iraq entire budget)
 
2013-04-10 01:22:54 PM

Witty_Retort: hdhale: I have said a million times since the start of the Iraq War that the right call was made based upon what we knew at the time. I still believe that.

How? MI6 came out and said they were forced to sign off on the document Shrub and Cheney pointed to.
CIA officers have said their reports were routinely ignored.
CIA told the administration that Curveball was a known liar.
Sadam and the Sunnis hated Iran (and Taliban) Shiates.
The only way any person today can still believe that is willful ignorance. Or blind party affiliation.


"... knew at the time" being the key phrase here.

I'm in much the same boat.  At the time, I believed it was the right call.  With what I know now, of course, my judgement would have been different.
 
2013-04-10 01:30:45 PM

Witty_Retort: Halliburton made $39.5 billion. That we know of.


That $36 million "severance package" they paid Cheney turned out to be a wise investment.
 
2013-04-10 01:35:07 PM

hdhale: I have said a million times since the start of the Iraq War that the right call was made based upon what we knew at the time.  I still believe that.


WTF are you talking about?  This is what was going on at the time, for anyone who was following news as opposed to op-ed commentary:

GWB: Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction, in violation of UN Resolution 1441!
UN: We haven't found any WMD.
GWB: He has stockpiles of old chemical weapons!
UN: Admittedly, we found a few old, expired, useless weapons, which were still sealed by the UN and hadn't been touched since the last time we were there, in full compliance with UN regulations.
GWB:  He's hiding the real ones!  We know where they are!
UN: We've found none.  Zero.  We looked in the places you said they'd be.
GWB:  He's got missiles that have greater range than the UN Resolution allows!
UN:  We found those.  The only way to achieve that extended range is if they remove the entire guidance system which makes the missiles next to useless.  Nonetheless, to avoid even the  impression of non-compliance, Iraq has given them to us to destroy without asking for a legal judgement on whether they're technically allowed or not.
GWB: He's not giving the inspectors the access we're demanding!
UN: We show up without notice wherever we want and have always been allowed access.
GWB:  Time is running out!  The time to invade is NOW!
UN: Everything we've seen so far has passed inspection.  Give us time to see the rest.  If we find anything at all, we'll totally back you on a military intervention.  Until then, don't take any premature actions you can't take back.
GWB:  GTFO, UN inspectors, we're invading.
 
2013-04-10 01:40:32 PM

hdhale: I'm seeing a lot of really bitter, snarky assholes in this thread and an article about one really bitter Marine.

Meanwhile, there's a WW II vet that remembers the hundreds of thousands of German civilians killed in the process of taking down Nazi Germany, shakes his head at all of you, and goes back to reading his paper.  War is not something one engages in lightly.  People die.  Fathers, mothers, sons and daughters die.

I have said a million times since the start of the Iraq War that the right call was made based upon what we knew at the time.  I still believe that.  I have also said that the occupation was botched early on and it was only later that we finally figured out what the fark we were doing and if you have to point a finger of blame at Bush & Co. point it there.  There is no need for tin foil hat grand conspiracy theories about winning daddy's war, big oil, or anything else that makes you no better than the people still looking for the hidden UN troops on US soil.


"bitter Marine"? Maybe he wants the time back that was taken from him for unfit reasons. I know there's a 6 month chunk of time I'd like back with my then-newborn daughter. Doesn't make him bitter - just makes him someone with a unique perspective that chooses not to contribute to a narrative he doesn't have to agree with.

You're WWII? I'm glad you got to be part of the last justifiable war. The rest of us that followed don't necessarily have such a clear conscience.
 
2013-04-10 01:43:38 PM

Magorn: I know you WANT to believe that, but it simply, proveably, objectively IS NOT TRUE.


Hale has previously claimed that there's an vast organized conspiracy between all the owners of "the media" t shield Obama and Clinton from negative news about their crimes.  So there's a chance that he's trolling or that he's so partisan beyond belief that he may as well be trolling.
 
2013-04-10 02:15:04 PM

undernova: "bitter Marine"? Maybe he wants the time back that was taken from him for unfit reasons. I know there's a 6 month chunk of time I'd like back with my then-newborn daughter. Doesn't make him bitter - just makes him someone with a unique perspective that chooses not to contribute to a narrative he doesn't have to agree with.

You're WWII? I'm glad you got to be part of the last justifiable war. The rest of us that followed don't necessarily have such a clear conscience.


Korea, Gulf War 1, Yugoslovia?
 
2013-04-10 02:42:13 PM
He's just pissed they didn't cast him in "The Hulk"
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/hulk/news/?a=418

trotsky read 'Generation Kill'

this-book so much better than that miniseries, as for the rest of this thread;

My grandmother was related to a Revolutionary War Hero, My great-great grandfather fought in the Siege Of Charleston, My grandfather got conscripted into the Russo-Japanese War, my GI cousin liberated death camps in WW2, my uncle fought on Pork Chop Hill in Korea, another cousin was in Vietnam & my other cousin very thankful that IED on his Iraq bridge when he drove over it was a dud reminds me of a quote from the near-greatest war movie of all time; "Lighten up, Francis"
 
2013-04-10 03:14:20 PM
My seriously favorite bit that illustrated who was ignorant and who was not was when they were talking about how Iraq, the same country that had been under sanctions and held under a no-fly zone for a decade or so, would be able to send super-villain style drones to spray our country with chemical weapons in as little as forty five minutes.

That didn't pass the smell test from any distance.
 
2013-04-10 03:17:02 PM
mnftiu.cc
 
2013-04-10 03:31:32 PM
Clint Eastwood will be suing this man for copyright infringement.

This sounds EXACTLY like the plot of his great movie Flags Of Our Fathers where one of the men who raised the flag at Iwo Jima had precisely the same sentiments:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418689/
 
2013-04-10 03:33:20 PM

hdhale: I have said a million times since the start of the Iraq War that the right call was made based upon what we knew at the time...it was only later that we finally figured out what the fark we were doing


Before the invasion, General Shinseki, the Army Chief of Staff, told the Senate the occupation needed several hundred thousand troops.

The Bush administration sacked Shinseki and sent 30,000.
 
2013-04-10 04:17:38 PM
Do You Know The Way To Mordor Clint Eastwood will be suing this man for copyright infringement.

Um, Farker you do know, unlike Frodo & Legolas, Mt. Suribachi really happend?  You can even see Ira Hayes' Indian blanket underneath his belt in the photo(He lived & died 4 hours South of Laurie Piestewa's Reservation...)
http://laughingcrowknits.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-story-of-ira-hayes .h tml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdNV9JX-Xi8
 
2013-04-10 05:08:15 PM

hdhale: I have said a million times since the start of the Iraq War that the right call was made based upon what we knew at the time.


1.) create a beacon of democracy in the Middle East
2.) watch as other nations follow that example
.
see: Arab Spring
 
2013-04-10 05:23:49 PM

farkstorm: hdhale: I have said a million times since the start of the Iraq War that the right call was made based upon what we knew at the time.

1.) create a beacon of democracy in the Middle East
2.) watch as other nations follow that example
.
see: Arab Spring


Right. Yeah. That's all it takes.
 
2013-04-10 05:24:02 PM

Magorn: Here's the money quote of this article:

"As described by Salon, the flag was given to McLaughlin by Sen. Chuck Schumer's office for his aid to victims on 9/11. He brought the flag to Iraq, thinking he'd take a photo of it overseas. Then, his commander asked to borrow it to drape over the head of the Iraqi dictator's statue."

The poor SOB believed the Bush Adminstration BS  linking Saddam and 9/11 and went to war thinking he was getting Payback for the WTC victims

NO WONDER he's more than a little bitter about the experience now:
For the 35-year-old lawyer, who provides free legal services to homeless and low-income veterans, victory is not what he remembers. "For me it was a period of death and killing people. I don't like that it facilitated the media's narrative of wars as neat and tidy things, so that's why when I got back home I just put it away."

beyond Poltics or partisanship  THIS is why I consider George Bush one of the wprst presidents in US history:  he broke faith with our soldiers, and sent them to war on an intentional lie, and let all their suffering and sacrifice be for nothing at all


I signed up to go to Afghanistan, and all I got was a tour in Iraq.  I thought Iraq was bullshiat from the moment it started, but there ain't nothing you can do about it once U Sign the Motherfarkin' Contract, unless you want to ruin the rest of your life as a U.S. citizen.  As an officer, you could've signed up anywhere from '98 to '02, without having given Iraq a second thought, and you'd end up over there regardless of whether you bought the lies or not...so you can fark right off assuming that every Iraq War veteran was champing at the bit to get over there.
 
2013-04-10 05:48:13 PM
HERO tag asleep or did it think Iraq and 9/11 were linked.
 
2013-04-10 05:55:18 PM

FlyingJ: He's just pissed they didn't cast him in "The Hulk"
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/hulk/news/?a=418

trotsky read 'Generation Kill'

this-book so much better than that miniseries, as for the rest of this thread;

My grandmother was related to a Revolutionary War Hero, My great-great grandfather fought in the Siege Of Charleston, My grandfather got conscripted into the Russo-Japanese War, my GI cousin liberated death camps in WW2, my uncle fought on Pork Chop Hill in Korea, another cousin was in Vietnam & my other cousin very thankful that IED on his Iraq bridge when he drove over it was a dud reminds me of a quote from the near-greatest war movie of all time; "Lighten up, Francis"


Oh, I did. I read the book first. Great read. Good introduction to Iraq: through the eyes of the guys who actually invaded.
 
2013-04-10 06:40:55 PM
CSB.  I used his dad as my divorce lawyer. A quality standup individual.
 
2013-04-10 07:03:25 PM
Blahdenoma:
I signed up to go to Afghanistan, and all I got was a tour in Iraq.  I thought Iraq was bullshiat from the moment it started, but there ain't nothing you can do about it once U Sign the Motherfarkin' Contract, unless you want to ruin the rest of your life as a U.S. citizen.  As an officer, you could've signed up anywhere from '98 to '02, without having given Iraq a second thought, and you'd end up over there regardless of whether you bought the lies or not...so you can fark right off assuming that every Iraq War veteran was champing at the bit to get over there.
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This sums up what worries me about the military in our country should there be a revolution to stop Corporate control of America. Are you (not you specifically Blah) going to stand up for what is right or try not to rock your boat? I'm not saying I'm any better or any good at all. I'm just wondering if there are enough heroes in the military who would not let it be used to control the populous. "I was just following orders" is not an excuse for violations to humanity.

Perhaps that has been thought of and the UN is just chomping on the bit to come here and control us instead.
 
2013-04-10 07:51:27 PM

Stoker: jmr61: Good for him. Thank you marine.

Yes, Thank you marine.


Thank you, pro bono lawyer for the homeless.  That seems to be what he wants to be known for.
 
2013-04-10 11:26:31 PM
I watched the Marine put the Iraqi flag over the statue's face a little later and that seemed more fitting.
 
2013-04-11 10:02:37 PM

FlyingJ: Do You Know The Way To Mordor Clint Eastwood will be suing this man for copyright infringement.

Um, Farker you do know, unlike Frodo & Legolas, Mt. Suribachi really happend?  You can even see Ira Hayes' Indian blanket underneath his belt in the photo(He lived & died 4 hours South of Laurie Piestewa's Reservation...)
http://laughingcrowknits.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-story-of-ira-hayes .h tml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdNV9JX-Xi8


"Do you know the way to mordor" is only my FARK tag, this article is about the real life story of a Marine in the Gulf War, so I was comparing one real life story with another, not referencing Lord of the Rings.
 
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