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(Washington Examiner)   Obamacare will work out so well, one of its main architects stated the following: Law 'beyond comprehension;' After bad start, 'will only get worse'...Fail tag is for all those who 'passed it to see what was in it'   (washingtonexaminer.com) divider line 130
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2013-04-10 10:58:02 AM
Yeah, that's totally what he said and not at all a selective quote.
 
2013-04-10 11:04:53 AM
West Virginia Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller, one of the towering architects of Obamacare, on Tuesday openly criticized program managers for not moving quickly enough to build the system, warning that if it gets off to a bumpy start it will just get worse.

How very controversial.
 
2013-04-10 11:30:17 AM
What's that awful smell?
 
2013-04-10 11:33:54 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: What's that awful smell?


Butthurt, or possibly foul farking.
 
2013-04-10 11:40:57 AM
Since this is the Washington Examiner, may I safely assume this is at best a completely out-of-context quote, and at worst outright bullshiat?
 
2013-04-10 11:41:05 AM
One of its main architects? So the Heritage Foundation?
 
2013-04-10 11:41:40 AM
Newt Gingrich?
 
2013-04-10 11:42:16 AM
Massachusetts Governor Mort Roomney?
 
2013-04-10 11:42:24 AM
PLEASE NO NOT AGAIN

ih1.redbubble.net
 
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2013-04-10 11:42:47 AM

DamnYankees: Yeah, that's totally what he said and not at all a selective quote.


Considering the source you kind of expect some trolling.
 
2013-04-10 11:44:24 AM
funny, 'cause i always thought "obamacare" was a republican idea.
 
2013-04-10 11:47:05 AM

FlashHarry: funny, 'cause i always thought "obamacare" was a republican idea.


That's not very reassuring.  Quite the opposite, come to think of it.
 
2013-04-10 12:00:48 PM

Nabb1: FlashHarry: funny, 'cause i always thought "obamacare" was a republican idea.

That's not very reassuring.  Quite the opposite, come to think of it.


well, the individual mandate - the part that everybody hates.
 
2013-04-10 12:05:43 PM
FAIL tag is for subby's butthurt because most of America voted Obama back into office and supports his policies.
 
2013-04-10 12:05:52 PM
One assumes the FAIL tag is intended to be shared equally between subby and the Examiner.
 
2013-04-10 12:05:58 PM
You lost get over it.
 
2013-04-10 12:06:01 PM

DamnYankees: Yeah, that's totally what he said and not at all a selective quote.


And we're done.
 
2013-04-10 12:06:07 PM
subby is just having some fun
 
2013-04-10 12:09:12 PM
Subby is so butthurt, it made him illiterate.

It's times like these, Subby, you should ask yourself what Jesus would do.  Then, do the exact opposite because that's more patriotically correct.
 
2013-04-10 12:11:57 PM
It's a shame that Preparation H doesn't some in an Industrial Strength.

The only cure for butthurt as severe as this author's is to sever his spinal cord above the L5 vertebrae.
 
2013-04-10 12:13:42 PM
You's trollin'!
 
2013-04-10 12:13:52 PM
Has it started to kill people yet?
//See Michelle Bachmann quote
 
2013-04-10 12:15:05 PM

FlashHarry: funny, 'cause i always thought "obamacare" was a republican idea.


Too early for denial and revisionist history. Do come back in 10 years or so.
 
2013-04-10 12:16:28 PM
So we need to switch to single payer then.

Right?
 
2013-04-10 12:16:49 PM

DamnYankees: that's [...] what he said


Quoted for Truthtm
 
2013-04-10 12:17:16 PM
People have been saying this will save us money, help reduce health care costs.

Decrying the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act as way too complex, he warned the acting Medicare director that Obamacare is "so complicated and if it isn't done right the first time, it will just simply get worse."

The retiring senator also told Marilyn Tavenner at her Senate Finance Committee confirmation hearing to be administrator of the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services that Obamacare rivals tax reform in its capacity to confuse Americans.

"I believe that the Affordable Care Act is probably the most complex piece of legislation ever passed by the United States Congress. Tax reform obviously has been huge too, but up to this point it is just beyond comprehension," said Rockefeller.


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But Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius conceded on March 26 that many Americans' health care premiums will increase under the new law, an indication that participation rates may not be at the level the administration wants to see.

'These folks will be moving into a really fully insured product for the first time,' the Wall Street Journal quoted Sebelius saying, 'and so there may be a higher cost associated with getting into that market.'

She admitted Tuesday for the first time that the administration also greatly underestimated the complexity of the 2,700-page law and its accompanying 17,000 pages of regulatory instructions.

That's an indication that future Obamacare reports may feature spending overruns - not savings - as the viability of health care exchanges, the administration's silver-bullet marketplaces that are supposed to drive costs down, are challenged by dozens of state governments that don't want to participate.



Looks legit.
 
2013-04-10 12:18:06 PM

FlashHarry: Nabb1: FlashHarry: funny, 'cause i always thought "obamacare" was a republican idea.

That's not very reassuring.  Quite the opposite, come to think of it.

well, the individual mandate - the part that everybody hates.



Please. Republicans love individual mandates, as long as the stranger in the stall isn't an undercover cop.
 
2013-04-10 12:20:46 PM
Learn to read subby
 
2013-04-10 12:21:35 PM

Marcus Aurelius: So we need to switch to single payer then.

Right?


Honestly, if this doesn't work, we need to head straight to Universal.
 
2013-04-10 12:28:12 PM

DamnYankees: Yeah, that's totally what he said and not at all a selective quote.


It's not even an accurate quote.  Subby must work for FOX.
 
2013-04-10 12:28:36 PM
Subby,
harry.buttle.free.fr
 
2013-04-10 12:29:23 PM

whidbey: Marcus Aurelius: So we need to switch to single payer then.

Right?

Honestly, if this doesn't work, we need to head straight to Universal.


That's what we should do, but I think it's far more likely that the narrative will become "The ACA didn't work, so government shouldn't have anything to do with healthcare at all!"
 
2013-04-10 12:29:36 PM
Did somebody order this shiat again?

Because it sure seems like it's this shiat again.
 
2013-04-10 12:30:30 PM
It's not that farking complicated, idiots.

1)Healthcare exchanges are set up to broker insurance packages. this needs to happen becuase insurance carriers and medicare disbursers all have their heads up theirasses and use non-standardised billing for each state

2) you either get insurance from an exchange, get it from work, or pay a diminous tax penalty to continue to abuse the system

3) everyone gets to pick their own doctor iiregardless of what the carrier says.

4) SMBs are essentially off the hook for healthcare. they're free- they either buy lower cost care plans than before or pay nothing or an again, diminous penalty compared to what insurance actually costs.

5) essentially nothing changes for the larger enterprise and the vast majority of the people they cover.

was that so hard?
 
2013-04-10 12:33:27 PM
I think it's going to be a disaster. It was rushed through and is monstrously complex, and govt projections are very frequently overly optimistic.

I'm not in medical care so I can't argue for certain, but I'll make an admittedly non-expert prediction that it will cost alot more than expected, and when it does democrats will not be willing to cut benefits or subsidies, but rather ask the rich to pay "a little bit more" to pay for the cost, whining that it would be unfair to cut subsidies or coverage.
 
2013-04-10 12:35:34 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: I think it's going to be a disaster. It was rushed through and is monstrously complex, and govt projections are very frequently overly optimistic.

I'm not in medical care so I can't argue for certain, but I'll make an admittedly non-expert prediction that it will cost alot more than expected, and when it does democrats will not be willing to cut benefits or subsidies, but rather ask the rich to pay "a little bit more" to pay for the cost, whining that it would be unfair to cut subsidies or coverage.


plus death panels
 
2013-04-10 12:38:25 PM
Yes, I agree the heritage foundation is in no sense a reasonable source of good healthcare policy.
 
2013-04-10 12:38:38 PM

Marcus Aurelius: So we need to switch to single payer then.

Right?


Nonsense. At least consider the public option first, then decide between the two. Otherwise, make like you're not gonna show your tits.
 
2013-04-10 12:40:28 PM

CPennypacker: Debeo Summa Credo: I think it's going to be a disaster. It was rushed through and is monstrously complex, and govt projections are very frequently overly optimistic.

I'm not in medical care so I can't argue for certain, but I'll make an admittedly non-expert prediction that it will cost alot more than expected, and when it does democrats will not be willing to cut benefits or subsidies, but rather ask the rich to pay "a little bit more" to pay for the cost, whining that it would be unfair to cut subsidies or coverage.

plus death panels


Nope, already had those before the passing of the ACA (see the high levels of rescission which insurance companies engaged in years past).
 
2013-04-10 12:43:49 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: I think it's going to be a disaster. It was rushed through and is monstrously complex, and govt projections are very frequently overly optimistic.

I'm not in medical care so I can't argue for certain, but I'll make an admittedly non-expert prediction that it will cost alot more than expected, and when it does democrats will not be willing to cut benefits or subsidies, but rather ask the rich to pay "a little bit more" to pay for the cost, whining that it would be unfair to cut subsidies or coverage.



But will it be worse than the ongoing disaster that's been the norm for the past few years?

One thing conservatives & liberals* can agree on: the way we pay for health care in this country was really screwed up, and even after the ACA, it's still screwed up.

They tend to disagree about what to do about it, though.


*I may be working with a biased sample of conservatives and liberals here.
 
2013-04-10 12:44:39 PM
You know what wouldn't be complicated?

Medicare for all or some other form of single payer universal healthcare.
 
2013-04-10 12:46:24 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: I think it's going to be a disaster.

I'm not in medical care.


All I needed to hear.
 
2013-04-10 12:47:24 PM

FlashHarry: Nabb1: FlashHarry: funny, 'cause i always thought "obamacare" was a republican idea.

That's not very reassuring.  Quite the opposite, come to think of it.

well, the individual mandate - the part that everybody hates.


its obvious they hate their ideas... ideas in general probably..
 
2013-04-10 12:49:31 PM

AurizenDarkstar: CPennypacker: Debeo Summa Credo: I think it's going to be a disaster. It was rushed through and is monstrously complex, and govt projections are very frequently overly optimistic.

I'm not in medical care so I can't argue for certain, but I'll make an admittedly non-expert prediction that it will cost alot more than expected, and when it does democrats will not be willing to cut benefits or subsidies, but rather ask the rich to pay "a little bit more" to pay for the cost, whining that it would be unfair to cut subsidies or coverage.

plus death panels

Nope, already had those before the passing of the ACA (see the high levels of rescission which insurance companies engaged in years past).


Thanks for the link.

In 2010, it was revealed that WellPoint specifically targeted women with breast cancer for aggressive investigation with the intent to cancel (rescind) their policies. The disclosures followed the discovery that Assurant Health similarly targeted all recently-diagnosed HIV-positive (AIDS) policyholders for rescission.

I have to wonder if the people involved just accepted the fact that they're evil? Twirling their mustaches as they screwed over sick people for money?
 
2013-04-10 12:49:33 PM

JolobinSmokin: You know what wouldn't be complicated?

Medicare for all or some other form of single payer universal healthcare.


Yup.  Pretty much this is the only real way to get the national costs of healthcare under control in the US.

But between the insurance companies having to give up their subsidies and profits, coupled with people having issues with paying anything more in taxes (which would be needed to fund national Medicare or single payer), and it would take a lot to ever get it off the ground in this day & age.

What's amazing is, we've been setting up nationalized healthcare programs for countries outside the US, but can't be bothered to do it for our own citizens.  Screwed up, ain't it?
 
2013-04-10 12:50:05 PM

draypresct: Debeo Summa Credo: I think it's going to be a disaster. It was rushed through and is monstrously complex, and govt projections are very frequently overly optimistic.

I'm not in medical care so I can't argue for certain, but I'll make an admittedly non-expert prediction that it will cost alot more than expected, and when it does democrats will not be willing to cut benefits or subsidies, but rather ask the rich to pay "a little bit more" to pay for the cost, whining that it would be unfair to cut subsidies or coverage.


But will it be worse than the ongoing disaster that's been the norm for the past few years?

One thing conservatives & liberals* can agree on: the way we pay for health care in this country was really screwed up, and even after the ACA, it's still screwed up.

They tend to disagree about what to do about it, though.


*I may be working with a biased sample of conservatives and liberals here.


Worse in which sense?

Some more people will have coverage, for a little while anyway.
Cost of care will rise.
The insurance industry will make out like bandits and be even more powerful when thizls fight is fought again in ~15years.

Also, some unforeseen consequences.

I would call it worse than the old system, but its not as if there are no positives.
 
2013-04-10 12:51:31 PM

draypresct: AurizenDarkstar: CPennypacker: Debeo Summa Credo: I think it's going to be a disaster. It was rushed through and is monstrously complex, and govt projections are very frequently overly optimistic.

I'm not in medical care so I can't argue for certain, but I'll make an admittedly non-expert prediction that it will cost alot more than expected, and when it does democrats will not be willing to cut benefits or subsidies, but rather ask the rich to pay "a little bit more" to pay for the cost, whining that it would be unfair to cut subsidies or coverage.

plus death panels

Nope, already had those before the passing of the ACA (see the high levels of rescission which insurance companies engaged in years past).

Thanks for the link.

In 2010, it was revealed that WellPoint specifically targeted women with breast cancer for aggressive investigation with the intent to cancel (rescind) their policies. The disclosures followed the discovery that Assurant Health similarly targeted all recently-diagnosed HIV-positive (AIDS) policyholders for rescission.

I have to wonder if the people involved just accepted the fact that they're evil? Twirling their mustaches as they screwed over sick people for money?


It also helped that the people responsible to finding reasons to throw people off of their insurance were getting huge bonuses from their employers for the number of people whose policies were cancelled.  Money always tends to be a great motivator.
 
2013-04-10 12:52:36 PM

stoli n coke: FlashHarry: Nabb1: FlashHarry: funny, 'cause i always thought "obamacare" was a republican idea.

That's not very reassuring.  Quite the opposite, come to think of it.

well, the individual mandate - the part that everybody hates.


Please. Republicans love individual mandates, as long as the stranger in the stall isn't an undercover cop.


What you did there was seen and enjoyed.
 
2013-04-10 12:53:00 PM
You are a moron if you think "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it" means that Congress just had 10,000 monkeys banging away at keyboards until a bill with words resembling the English language came out.  They worked on it for months.  The quote really means "We have to pass one version of the bill so you jagwagons will stop lying about what is in it".
 
2013-04-10 12:55:26 PM
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