syrynxx: Ah, good.  Record-keeping of firearm sales.  That sure would've stopped every single one of the mass shootings, as well as the 1% of imprisoned felons who said they purchased their guns through a legitimate dealer.  I'm sure glad they've developed a solution to the problem, and not a knee-jerk reaction intended to look like they're doing something while not doing a damn thing that actually impacts schizophrenics and urban gangbangers.

Farkied as Gun Masturbating Racist

Lost Thought 00: syrynxx: Ah, good.  Record-keeping of firearm sales.  That sure would've stopped every single one of the mass shootings, as well as the 1% of imprisoned felons who said they purchased their guns through a legitimate dealer.  I'm sure glad they've developed a solution to the problem, and not a knee-jerk reaction intended to look like they're doing something while not doing a damn thing that actually impacts schizophrenics and urban gangbangers.

Farkied as Gun Masturbating Racist

Farkied as asshurt gun grabber with no intelligent debate skills.

:-)

Half the fun of this whole debate has been watching the once feared NRA dole out nothing more than impotent rage.

syrynxx: Ah, good.  Record-keeping of firearm sales.  That sure would've stopped every single one of the mass shootings, as well as the 1% of imprisoned felons who said they purchased their guns through a legitimate dealer.  I'm sure glad they've developed a solution to the problem, and not a knee-jerk reaction intended to look like they're doing something while not doing a damn thing that actually impacts schizophrenics and urban gangbangers.

Why not wait till we see what the proposal is before we launch into hyperbole, that way we can have a reasonable discussion on the merits of the proposed legislation.

...ohh who the fark am I kidding

MyKingdomForYourHorse: syrynxx: Ah, good.  Record-keeping of firearm sales.  That sure would've stopped every single one of the mass shootings, as well as the 1% of imprisoned felons who said they purchased their guns through a legitimate dealer.  I'm sure glad they've developed a solution to the problem, and not a knee-jerk reaction intended to look like they're doing something while not doing a damn thing that actually impacts schizophrenics and urban gangbangers.

Why not wait till we see what the proposal is before we launch into hyperbole, that way we can have a reasonable discussion on the merits of the proposed legislation.

...ohh who the fark am I kidding

You had me there for a moment....

phenn: Lost Thought 00: syrynxx: Ah, good.  Record-keeping of firearm sales.  That sure would've stopped every single one of the mass shootings, as well as the 1% of imprisoned felons who said they purchased their guns through a legitimate dealer.  I'm sure glad they've developed a solution to the problem, and not a knee-jerk reaction intended to look like they're doing something while not doing a damn thing that actually impacts schizophrenics and urban gangbangers.

Farkied as Gun Masturbating Racist

Farkied as asshurt gun grabber with no intelligent debate skills.

:-)

Load and proud

I don't know what is in this bill or even where I am right now, but it's most definitely an OUTRAGE because the government could use it to enslave me and furthermore tyranny

gun deal including background checks with record-keeping of most gun sales, a provision that gun groups and many conservatives fiercely oppose but that has broad public support.

Sorry Politico but I am going to need a cite for that. I have seen surveys showing broad support for universal background but that is with no mention of record keeping.

PA already does background checks for all firearms transfers, so this shouldn't theoretically hurt Toomey.  But the parts of PA that vote for Toomey might not be able to understand this subtle distinction.

Skarekrough: Half the fun of this whole debate has been watching the once feared NRA dole out nothing more than impotent rage.

If I'm not mistaken, the most recent gun bill in the Senate did not make it out of committee yesterday.  That's not exactly impotent.

Dimensio: Actually knowing the impact of the legislation is not necessary to understand that it is either a prelude to total firearm confiscation or entirely ineffective "watered-down" regulation that does not address the fundamental need to ban popular civilian firearm models.

Then when the details come out, you can using detail point this out.

That's how sides debate

Skarekrough: You had me there for a moment....

You have no idea how hard I held back chuckles as I typed that out

Judging from what procedural hoops this thing has to get through, I doubt we're going to see this legislation go to a vote in the Senate.

phenn: Lost Thought 00: syrynxx: Ah, good.  Record-keeping of firearm sales.  That sure would've stopped every single one of the mass shootings, as well as the 1% of imprisoned felons who said they purchased their guns through a legitimate dealer.  I'm sure glad they've developed a solution to the problem, and not a knee-jerk reaction intended to look like they're doing something while not doing a damn thing that actually impacts schizophrenics and urban gangbangers.

Farkied as Gun Masturbating Racist

Farkied as asshurt gun grabber with no intelligent debate skills.

:-)

Expanded background checks and better record keeping does not equal gun grabbing, but you know that and just want to have something to whine about.

sammyk: phenn: Lost Thought 00: syrynxx: Ah, good.  Record-keeping of firearm sales.  That sure would've stopped every single one of the mass shootings, as well as the 1% of imprisoned felons who said they purchased their guns through a legitimate dealer.  I'm sure glad they've developed a solution to the problem, and not a knee-jerk reaction intended to look like they're doing something while not doing a damn thing that actually impacts schizophrenics and urban gangbangers.

Farkied as Gun Masturbating Racist

Farkied as asshurt gun grabber with no intelligent debate skills.

:-)

Why do you gun freaks go straight for attacking someone intelligence if they do not agree with you?

Farkied as Gun Masturbating dipshiat

You mean just like he did?

Farkied as Drunk Before Breakfast.

Dimensio: Reliance upon facts is a strategy of rational debate. Neither extreme firearm control advocates nor extreme firearm control opponents are rational; debate between them is akin to debate between two groups who hold to two fundamentally incompatible versions of religious creationism.

Then in the course of any conversation the extremes should be ignored

....but this is fark so lets carry on

phenn: Farkied as Drunk Before Breakfast.

...you say this like its a bad thing

I am surprised at how smartly Toomey has played his time in office. He has literally done the reverse Santorum. He went in all derpy and is becoming less and less derpy every day.

Marcus Aurelius: Skarekrough: Half the fun of this whole debate has been watching the once feared NRA dole out nothing more than impotent rage.

If I'm not mistaken, the most recent gun bill in the Senate did not make it out of committee yesterday.  That's not exactly impotent.

The folded on filibustering it.  That says to me that they're admitting that something has to pass to take the heat off of the GOP.

Skarekrough: The folded on filibustering it. That says to me that they're admitting that something has to pass to take the heat off of the GOP.

I think there are still a number of senators ready to filibuster. Not correct?

henryhill: phenn: Lost Thought 00: syrynxx: Ah, good.  Record-keeping of firearm sales.  That sure would've stopped every single one of the mass shootings, as well as the 1% of imprisoned felons who said they purchased their guns through a legitimate dealer.  I'm sure glad they've developed a solution to the problem, and not a knee-jerk reaction intended to look like they're doing something while not doing a damn thing that actually impacts schizophrenics and urban gangbangers.

Farkied as Gun Masturbating Racist

Farkied as asshurt gun grabber with no intelligent debate skills.

:-)

Expanded background checks and better record keeping does not equal gun grabbing, but you know that and just want to have something to whine about.

The plight of the white middle-to-upper class male is almost as amusing as my 7-year old telling me how he doesn't have enough free time to do his homework.

Skarekrough: Marcus Aurelius: Skarekrough: Half the fun of this whole debate has been watching the once feared NRA dole out nothing more than impotent rage.

If I'm not mistaken, the most recent gun bill in the Senate did not make it out of committee yesterday.  That's not exactly impotent.

The folded on filibustering it.  That says to me that they're admitting that something has to pass to take the heat off of the GOP.

Having a parent who had their childrens guts sprayed over the inside of their classroom just recently, talk to you about gun violence tends to sway the argument some.

It was like a grinch moment on CBS news last night, hearing the republican senator say "I may vote no, but the debate should come up for vote" while it was obvious he was choking back a tear or two.

Man, the GOPs heart grew three sizes yesterday

I'm pretty sure we'll see universal background check requirements at some point soon. Maybe not this time, but the next time some whacko shoots a bunch of people. Maybe the time after that.

It seems like common sense to many people, and thus allows a feeling of doing something towards the greater good, without really changing much. It's certainly more feasible than the ludicrous bans some people keep coming up with.

A business keeping a record of sales? Outrageous!

phenn: I think there are still a number of senators ready to filibuster. Not correct?

Not enough to torpedo it. Harry is gonna bring it up this week for general debate.

There's still the dark horse though, Rand Paul could get up and give another one of his talk till he drops marathons

Dusk-You-n-Me: Mercutio74: I doubt we're going to see this legislation go to a vote in the Senate.

Seven Republican Senators said they won't filibuster. With 55 D Senators that makes 62. Link

Can't one of them still put it on hold?  And will all the D's toe the line?  There are quite a few blue dogs in there, no?

WTF Indeed: I am surprised at how smartly Toomey has played his time in office. He has literally done the reverse Santorum. He went in all derpy and is becoming less and less derpy every day.

This.  He's history in 2016, the Democrat's will take his seat.  Democrats wont' vote for him because he's a Republican, Republicans won't vote for him because he's a squish.   What a waste of time he turned out to be.

Mercutio74: Can't one of them still put it on hold? And will all the D's toe the line? There are quite a few blue dogs in there, no?

Even my own senator from Indiana Joe Donnelly who is a grade A from the NRA has said he'll move forward on universal checks and expanded record keeping for the ATF along with increased punishments for straw purchasing.

As an evil gun owner, I'm all for UBCs.  I just don't understand HOW they're going to really do it.  I have yet to hear a workable option.  most of the plans poop all over themselves when it comes to the human component: the government worker drone has to report everything correctly 100% of the time.  Not going to happen.

Facetious_Speciest: I'm pretty sure we'll see universal background check requirements at some point soon. Maybe not this time, but the next time some whacko shoots a bunch of people. Maybe the time after that.

It seems like common sense to many people, and thus allows a feeling of doing something towards the greater good, without really changing much. It's certainly more feasible than the ludicrous bans some people keep coming up with.

Yup.  Make no mistake, gun control, just like marriage equality and universal healthcare will happen eventually.  The only questions are, "When?" and, "What will it look like?"

Tomahawk513: Facetious_Speciest: I'm pretty sure we'll see universal background check requirements at some point soon. Maybe not this time, but the next time some whacko shoots a bunch of people. Maybe the time after that.

It seems like common sense to many people, and thus allows a feeling of doing something towards the greater good, without really changing much. It's certainly more feasible than the ludicrous bans some people keep coming up with.

Yup.  Make no mistake, gun control, just like marriage equality and universal healthcare will happen eventually.  The only questions are, "When?" and, "What will it look like?"

We do have gun control.  What will it look like? is the status quo

redmid17: Joe Donnelly is a freshman Senator, so that's not quite as impressive as it seems.

True, but it still shows where the winds are blowing

BraveNewCheneyWorld: The main problem I have with every proposal, is that politicians are pretending that everyone is completely ignorant of basic civics. The phrase "shall not be infringed" is not ambiguous.  Amendments trump laws, that's the fact.  If they want to change the 2nd amendment, fine, but do it within the boundaries of our legal system, instead of passing something that is clearly unconstitutional so that they can have it on the books for the years it will take to be challenged in the supreme court.   Even if you think all guns should be taken away from everyone, you should have a problem with how our constitutional amendments are being treated as equal to common laws.

Someone failed civics class

Dimensio: Actually knowing the impact of the legislation is not necessary to understand that it is either a prelude to total firearm confiscation or entirely ineffective "watered-down" regulation that does not address the fundamental need to ban popular civilian firearm

based on history, going to go with the latter.


BraveNewCheneyWorld: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Someone failed civics class

You apparently.

no, it's you.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: You apparently.

And here is where typically I would point out that we have three branches of government and there exists one which judges and interpenetrates laws and intent, and that those rulings have consequences on future legality of laws. I would then point out that we have years of rulings and laws which clearly point out that guns can be regulated unless you take a clear literal interpretation of the law, but that if we did that then we would have to do so to every other portion of the Constitution which would clearly on technicality be unconstitutional because it would undermine the third branch of government SCOTUS.

But I'm not going to do that, because your obviously trolling

not5am:
BraveNewCheneyWorld: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Someone failed civics class

You apparently.

no, it's you.

Strap yourself in for some high-calibur debate and discourse, broseph

Toomey et Manchin, eh?

henryhill: phenn: Lost Thought 00: syrynxx: Ah, good.  Record-keeping of firearm sales.  That sure would've stopped every single one of the mass shootings, as well as the 1% of imprisoned felons who said they purchased their guns through a legitimate dealer.  I'm sure glad they've developed a solution to the problem, and not a knee-jerk reaction intended to look like they're doing something while not doing a damn thing that actually impacts schizophrenics and urban gangbangers.

Farkied as Gun Masturbating Racist

Farkied as asshurt gun grabber with no intelligent debate skills.

:-)

Expanded background checks and better record keeping does not equal gun grabbing, but you know that and just want to have something to whine about.

Yes "gun masturbating racist" deserved a fair and thoughtful reply. Shame on phenn for lowering the level of discourse.

Dimensio: You are correct; the proposed legislation does not prohibit civilians from ever under any circumstances obtaining rifles that feature pistol grips, and thus it will be totally ineffective and fail to reduce rates of crime at all.

One funny thing out of all of this is the steady decrease in violent crime in general. Gun violence remains pretty steady as a percentage of crime but over all violence is down. A recent study linked this as possibly linked to the push by the EPA to eliminate lead from all products and that as lead level have fallen, so too has violence.

I mean I'm still for some gun control law, like a workable UBC because that shiat just makes sense, but I find it amusing that quite possible the biggest thing done to reduce crime came from an environmental law.