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		This is it, folks. US and Japan brace for impact. Will Best Korea launch a missile as a "test"? Will the US respond with force? Will China smack a biatch? This is your official "drop it like it's Un" April 10th discussion thread (nytimes.com)		165
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ahchoo		2013-04-10 10:49:58 AM

Help us Rodman Wan, you're our only hope.

gambitsgirl		2013-04-10 10:50:44 AM

Y'all are in here but in the thread one up the Japanese accidentally hit enter on an the "rocket launch" tweet. So that makes it real.

/sitting in a state Un probably doesn't care to target

DontMakeMeComeBackThere		2013-04-10 10:52:00 AM

kimwim: It's 8.55pm in Seoul, Worst Korea, nothing's happened yet.

Bears repeating - the 10th is over, they did nothing.

You Are All Sheep		2013-04-10 10:53:42 AM

In my opinion, if a country says "I'm going to nuke you when I get nuke weapons" and then start working on nuke weapons, that's good enough for me to take out the area that can make those weapons.

If someone with a gun says I'm going to shoot you and you can shoot them first, wouldn't you?

namegoeshere		2013-04-10 10:53:46 AM

make me some tea: I disagree, containment is the best policy. The emperor has no clothes.

Unless directly provoked of course, then it's ~~glass~~ dirt parking lot time.

FTFY.

Yes I know it was hyperbole. I'm saying, we have no need to get all nukey here, when a sling shot and some big rocks will do. (reverse hyperbole? Is that a thing?)

Tobin_Lam		2013-04-10 10:54:44 AM

kimwim: It's 8am, the West is awake, time to get the ball rolling.

But it is dark in NK. How are they going to see to launch the missile?

elchupacabra		2013-04-10 10:55:03 AM

Weaver95: If we have a war, I expect every conservative I know to get their asses down to the recruiting office immediately.

Dafuq sort of logic is this? If you're not a soldier, you must be always anti-war? BS.

gambitsgirl		2013-04-10 10:55:56 AM

Tobin_Lam: kimwim: It's 8am, the West is awake, time to get the ball rolling.

But it is dark in NK. How are they going to see to launch the missile?

Peruvian cab drivers can flee to the scene

Infernalist		2013-04-10 10:56:04 AM

namegoeshere: make me some tea: I disagree, containment is the best policy. The emperor has no clothes.

Unless directly provoked of course, then it's glass dirt parking lot time.

FTFY.

Yes I know it was hyperbole. I'm saying, we have no need to get all nukey here, when a sling shot and some big rocks will do. (reverse hyperbole? Is that a thing?)

If they attack with a nuke, NK will cease to exist as a nation.

If they don't, then they're gonna skate.

Jake Havechek		2013-04-10 10:56:16 AM

gambitsgirl: Y'all are in here but in the thread one up the Japanese accidentally hit enter on an the "rocket launch" tweet. So that makes it real.

/sitting in a state Un probably doesn't care to target

Doesn't NC have Seymour AF base and Fort Bragg?

I'd say you are a priority target. On the Russian ICBM target list, that is. But so is Boston, so I'm not any better off.

nekom		2013-04-10 10:56:30 AM

namegoeshere: (reverse hyperbole? Is that a thing?)

lowperbole?

KarmicDisaster		2013-04-10 10:56:39 AM

We'll blow up the ocean!

public.dcexp.com

miss diminutive		2013-04-10 10:57:10 AM

gambitsgirl: Tobin_Lam: kimwim: It's 8am, the West is awake, time to get the ball rolling.

But it is dark in NK. How are they going to see to launch the missile?

Peruvian cab drivers can flee to the scene

+1

Sensual Tyrannosaurus		2013-04-10 10:57:16 AM

Jake Havechek: Unless directly provoked of course, then it's glass parking lot time.

Yeah, Japan will be psyched about massive amounts of radioactive fallout being carried by the wind to their country.

With our arsenal, I doubt the US would need to use nuclear weapons to scour most of North Korea. Conventional should do fine.

fireclown		2013-04-10 10:57:35 AM

DEPLOY THE MUTUMBO!

doglover		2013-04-10 10:57:46 AM

elchupacabra: Dafuq sort of logic is this? If you're not a soldier, you must be always anti-war?

More like if you are pro war we can't afford and don't want to fight you should either put your ass where your bravado is or go suck a cock and keep your mouth shut because William Tecumseh Sherman you ain't.

Jake Havechek		2013-04-10 10:58:54 AM

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Jake Havechek: Unless directly provoked of course, then it's glass parking lot time.

Yeah, Japan will be psyched about massive amounts of radioactive fallout being carried by the wind to their country.

With our arsenal, I doubt the US would need to use nuclear weapons to scour most of North Korea. Conventional should do fine.

Conventional didn't work on Hanoi or(former) North Vietnam, what makes you think it would work now?

gambitsgirl		2013-04-10 10:59:16 AM

Jake Havechek: gambitsgirl: Y'all are in here but in the thread one up the Japanese accidentally hit enter on an the "rocket launch" tweet. So that makes it real.

/sitting in a state Un probably doesn't care to target

Doesn't NC have Seymour AF base and Fort Bragg?

I'd say you are a priority target. On the Russian ICBM target list, that is. But so is Boston, so I'm not any better off.

As if Fayetville would look any different if it were bombed. (I keed). I rely on the hope I'm close enough to the mountains that climate change waters and bombs won't reach us. Then again there's a nuclear power plant 5 mikes ago so I've positioned myself to go in the blast not the fallout. Dicey bitness it is here.

gambitsgirl		2013-04-10 10:59:57 AM

miss diminutive: gambitsgirl: Tobin_Lam: kimwim: It's 8am, the West is awake, time to get the ball rolling.

But it is dark in NK. How are they going to see to launch the missile?

Peruvian cab drivers can flee to the scene

+1

Gawd I love this place.

Khellendros		2013-04-10 11:00:03 AM

nekom: make me some tea:
It's best that we do nothing unless there's a direct threat to SK or any US assets. Japan can hold its own. If they launch another test missile into the ocean, so be it. We need to just hold the line and nothing more. I'm pretty sure that's all that will happen, though. This is a huge bluff; they want concessions, but they've painted themselves into a corner, so f*ck them.

I would argue that there already exists a direct threat to worst Korea and Japan. Not to the USA just yet, but certainly to the south. I would shoot down any missile they launched, no matter the circumstances. I may be in the minority opinion, but we have a tyrannical dictatorship with nuclear weapons. This isn't good. This isn't good at all. How long will we continue to allow this to exist? It's only going to get worse if he starts developing more nukes and the means to deliver them. No, in my mind, this HAS to stop, and now is the time.

You seem to be under the impression that he wants war. It's clear from his actions he doesn't. From every appearance and analysis, it's all a show to keep control of a failing regime. This isn't a religiously driven fanatic bent on global Armageddon with some insane sense of "right". It's a small man trying to keep control of a situation he's lost. It would be a mistake for us to evaluate this decision from our recent perspective of religiously driven terrorism.

In fact, this is a very conventional problem that the world has prepared for and can deal with fairly easily. This is a governmental, conventional war threat. This is the USSR on a very small scale, without the power to back it up. We'd like it to diffuse quietly, and we have a good shot at it. But even if it goes ugly, it'll be over in hours, and with a minimal loss of friendly forces. But the chances of it coming to that are pretty remote. The primary issue at hand is how to guide this country to not be led by assholes once this situation resolves itself. That's the real challenge. The current regime is unimportant.

The Pope of Manwich Village		2013-04-10 11:00:12 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: The Pope of Manwich Village: It just occurred to me that KJU really ramped up the crazy around the same time Hostess went bankrupt. This isn't a diplomatic problem, it's a Twinkie problem.

I know I get really cranky when I'm hungry.

Only Apollo and Metropoulos can save us now.

Sensual Tyrannosaurus		2013-04-10 11:00:51 AM

fireclown: DEPLOY THE MUTUMBO!

YES! Have my babies!

/not really
//love that commercial though

netweavr		2013-04-10 11:00:54 AM

Weaver95: If we have a war, I expect every conservative I know to get their asses down to the recruiting office immediately.

We wouldn't have a direct war. We'd have a proxy war using South Korea and Japan.

We'd be sitting on the sideline directing the action and staring down China.

Infernalist		2013-04-10 11:01:00 AM

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Jake Havechek: Unless directly provoked of course, then it's glass parking lot time.

Yeah, Japan will be psyched about massive amounts of radioactive fallout being carried by the wind to their country.

With our arsenal, I doubt the US would need to use nuclear weapons to scour most of North Korea. Conventional should do fine.

A nuclear response to a nuclear attack is a political necessity.

gambitsgirl		2013-04-10 11:01:18 AM

Holy crap I went full retard on my typing. 5 miles away. Not 5 mikes ago.

aevorea		2013-04-10 11:02:42 AM

Jake Havechek: But so is Boston, so I'm not any better off.

That would take care of the bicyclist problem.

/So tired of the arrogant asses disobeying traffic signals and almost smearing themselves across my car.

Sensual Tyrannosaurus		2013-04-10 11:02:46 AM

Jake Havechek: Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Jake Havechek: Unless directly provoked of course, then it's glass parking lot time.

Yeah, Japan will be psyched about massive amounts of radioactive fallout being carried by the wind to their country.

With our arsenal, I doubt the US would need to use nuclear weapons to scour most of North Korea. Conventional should do fine.

Conventional didn't work on Hanoi or(former) North Vietnam, what makes you think it would work now?

Practice makes perfect.

Maul555		2013-04-10 11:02:47 AM

I wonder what the guy in the top left of the photo did to be singled out for pushups... I think we found the company clown.
graphics8.nytimes.com

Jake Havechek		2013-04-10 11:03:24 AM

Let's have a war!
Jack up the Dow Jones!
Let's have a war!
It can start in New Jersey!
Let's have a war!
Blame it on the middle-class!
Let's have a war!
We're like rats in a cage!

RedTank		2013-04-10 11:04:13 AM

I've given this a lot of thought and I'm pretty sure I have the best solution to all this.

The US needs to "play dead." Have NK launch their little missile into the ocean and then all major News outlets will write fake news stories and photoshops about the total destruction of the United Sates at the hands of NK nuclear might.

Then as part of this agreement NK would stop pursuing nuclear weapons under the guise to their people (and generals) that they are no longer needed since the evil American Empire is no more.

CapeFearCadaver		2013-04-10 11:04:22 AM

second time I've posted this today...

genepool lifeboat		2013-04-10 11:05:12 AM

Jake Havechek: Let's have a war!
Jack up the Dow Jones!
Let's have a war!
It can start in New Jersey!
Let's have a war!
Blame it on the middle-class!
Let's have a war!
We're like rats in a cage!

There's too many of us.

gambitsgirl		2013-04-10 11:05:16 AM

aevorea: Jake Havechek: But so is Boston, so I'm not any better off.

That would take care of the bicyclist problem.

/So tired of the arrogant asses disobeying traffic signals and almost smearing themselves across my car.

This thread turning into a forum offering Un our bomb requests would be nice tread legs.

Ummmmm - I kinda hate Southern Ga and Dothan, Alabama is sorta nasty.

Jake Havechek		2013-04-10 11:05:37 AM

aevorea: Jake Havechek: But so is Boston, so I'm not any better off.

That would take care of the bicyclist problem.

/So tired of the arrogant asses disobeying traffic signals and almost smearing themselves across my car.

Yeah, but getting all the paint sucked off of your house and getting an instant orange afro before you get blasted into dust can put a damper on your day.

And the cyclists in Cambridge are a bunch of assholes.

mbillips		2013-04-10 11:06:15 AM

You know what's going to happen? Nothing, just like the last 15 times this scenario played out. North Korea may or may not successfully launch a missile, it will fall in the ocean unmolested, and they will come up with some new dire trolling statement tomorrow.

nekom		2013-04-10 11:06:25 AM

Khellendros: But even if it goes ugly, it'll be over in hours, and with a minimal loss of friendly forces. But the chances of it coming to that are pretty remote. The primary issue at hand is how to guide this country to not be led by assholes once this situation resolves itself. That's t ...

Well that much is VERY true. What fills the power vacuum in the aftermath if the shiat actually hits the fan? That's a big unknown, and not something I'd like to see the USA have anything to do with whatsoever.

I'm more worried about nuclear proliferation, which is why I'd like to see us preemptively striking any and all nuclear related sites. If he doesn't want war, well then he'll just have to take it. I don't want a madman to have nukes. We can stop that now. We may have a much more difficult time years down the road. If the regime collapses, that's just a bonus.

elchupacabra		2013-04-10 11:06:39 AM

doglover: elchupacabra: Dafuq sort of logic is this? If you're not a soldier, you must be always anti-war?

More like if you are pro war we can't afford and don't want to fight you should either put your ass where your bravado is or go suck a cock and keep your mouth shut because William Tecumseh Sherman you ain't.

So. If you're not a soldier, you must be anti-war or not offer an opinion at all. Got it.

fark you.

cgraves67		2013-04-10 11:07:11 AM

This reminds of playing Civ when I try to antagonize a rival into attacking me so I can take all their cities without the warmonger diplomacy hit. So I condemn them and denounce them and steal their tiles and city-state allies and try to convert their cities to my religion and make irrational demands.

gambitsgirl		2013-04-10 11:07:12 AM

Not to be mean but if he bombed DC with all politicians in session... that realllllly wouldn't be all that bad. Right?

SlothB77		2013-04-10 11:07:15 AM

somedude210: and for those wondering why April 10th is so gosh-darned important in all this, today is the day NK was warning as the date they couldn't guarantee the safety of foreign nationals in their country. They're planning something for today, just a matter of whether it's bluster, failure or war.

or after this date. today has been disappointingly uneventful. i expect NK to do something, but it may take them a day or two more.

rickythepenguin		2013-04-10 11:07:20 AM

Kim Jon Un:
I'm a dictata, but y'all knew that
Da Big Boss Un, yeah I hadda do dat
I keep Kim Jong Il's polaroid hanging out my backside
But only on the North side, yeah that's the NKOR side
Ain't no other way to play the nuclear aggression game the way I play
I bomb so much you thought I was DJ Nagasaki ("two!" - "one!" - "yep, three!")
Kay to the I to the M to the Jung to the You Enn Gee
If you step to me, you gots to pay the fee
Cause the people aint' free in my DMZ
Obama don't be frontin', unless you wanna be in deep kimchi
Or maybe send your girl, her name Hill-a-ree, at ease, please.
I can't fake it, just break it, and when I get gone
See I specialize in making all the countres go DEFCON
So bring your friends, all of y'all come inside
We got a world premiere right here, now get live!
So don't change the dizzle, turn it up a little
I got a DMZ full of fine dime missles
The Scud, the Rodong, and the Musadan
I know you got carriers but I gots me the bomb

President Obama
Yo King Jon Un, this is your boy Barack
Bout' ta piss me off, son, now get offa my block
I drive my own cars, int he White House I floss
I got my nubian J-Bidez, muthafarka we the Boss!
Big Barry O, yeah I'm game as hell
On the TV screen and in the magazines, I'ma rain down hell
If you play me close, you're on a red beam
Oh you got a nuke so you wanna pop back?
US Navy Seventh Fleet, now nubian, stop that!
Cement shoes, now you got 'em on the move
I'll send SEAL Team Six, biatch, they gonna double tap ya smoove
Your family can't find you, and now they miss you
Must I remind you I'm only here to twist you?
Pistol whip you, dip you then flip you
Then dance to this motherfarking music we Stars and Stripes to
Subscribe Kim Jong Un, come and get yo issue
Kimmie come close, let me see show you how I get loose!

Pop it like it's hot
Pop it like it's hot
Pop it like it's hot
I got the finger on the football and I'm pouring Dom Perignon
And I gots the best weaps cuz I gotcha on lockdown PEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE

*slams mic down*

Sensual Tyrannosaurus		2013-04-10 11:09:27 AM

Infernalist: Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Jake Havechek: Unless directly provoked of course, then it's glass parking lot time.

Yeah, Japan will be psyched about massive amounts of radioactive fallout being carried by the wind to their country.

With our arsenal, I doubt the US would need to use nuclear weapons to scour most of North Korea. Conventional should do fine.

A nuclear response to a nuclear attack is a political necessity.

I don't know about that. I don't think China will much appreciate us dropping nukes in their backyard, and we don't want to create tensions with them. If we can crush a militaristic nation like NK in front of the world without using nuclear weapons, it would create hesitation for any other would-be nuclear powers.

Jake Havechek		2013-04-10 11:09:44 AM

Basically folks, if you have a military installation in your state, specifically a resupply and refit base, you're farked.

See, the USA and former USSR states still maintain and staff their ICBM facilities at a very high level, and you know they've been briefed to be more alert that usual.

Of course, this is an scenario that could never happen as cool heads will always prevail.

Right?

Right?

ChipNASA		2013-04-10 11:09:59 AM

Maul555: I wonder what the guy in the top left of the photo did to be singled out for pushups... I think we found the company clown.
[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x426]

He's DMZ Planking.

TheShavingofOccam123		2013-04-10 11:11:48 AM

ChipNASA: Maul555: I wonder what the guy in the top left of the photo did to be singled out for pushups... I think we found the company clown.
[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x426]

He's DMZ Planking.

No way. He's got his ear stuck to the ground, listening for the NORK Cavalry.

utharda		2013-04-10 11:12:43 AM

Infernalist		2013-04-10 11:12:54 AM

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Infernalist: Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Jake Havechek: Unless directly provoked of course, then it's glass parking lot time.

Yeah, Japan will be psyched about massive amounts of radioactive fallout being carried by the wind to their country.

With our arsenal, I doubt the US would need to use nuclear weapons to scour most of North Korea. Conventional should do fine.

A nuclear response to a nuclear attack is a political necessity.

I don't know about that. I don't think China will much appreciate us dropping nukes in their backyard, and we don't want to create tensions with them. If we can crush a militaristic nation like NK in front of the world without using nuclear weapons, it would create hesitation for any other would-be nuclear powers.

The political party that allowed Americans die, or our allies to die to a nuclear attack without a nuclear response would lose power for a generation or more.

Do not underestimate the American need for overwhelmingly destructive revenge.

over_and_done		2013-04-10 11:13:02 AM

From our local news repeater:

The prospect of a North Korean missile launch is "considerably high," South Korea's foreign minister told lawmakers Wednesday as Pyongyang prepared to mark the April 15 birthday of its founder, historically a time when it seeks to draw the world's attention with dramatic displays of military power.

So it's less of a "going to finally get all serious with the outside world," and more of a "right on schedule to put on a show for the folks at home."

Personally, I'm happy that this time around, neither the US nor China are blinking. My reasons are long and blathering and complicated, but they're mostly relief.

rickythepenguin		2013-04-10 11:13:18 AM

Maul555: I wonder what the guy in the top left of the photo did to be singled out for pushups... I think we found the company clown.

the guy on the left: "Gary! Dude. Seriously? Get up man. It's big boy time! fall in, private!"

"I DON'T WANNA! MY TUMMY HURTS!"

"Gary. Seriously. You look like an idiot. You're already dressed anyways. Fall in, godammit!"

"YOU EAT DOO DOO!"

Lt. Cheese Weasel		2013-04-10 11:13:58 AM

Tobin_Lam: kimwim: It's 8am, the West is awake, time to get the ball rolling.

But it is dark in NK. How are they going to see to launch the missile?

farm5.staticflickr.com

They have a lightbulb.

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