Unless directly provoked of course, then it's glass parking lot time.

Yeah, Japan will be psyched about massive amounts of radioactive fallout being carried by the wind to their country.

It just occurred to me that KJU really ramped up the crazy around the same time Hostess went bankrupt. This isn't a diplomatic problem, it's a Twinkie problem.

Maybe we just need to get fatboy some porn and Coca Cola and he'll chill the fark out.

Help us Rodman Wan, you're our only hope.

kimwim: It's 8.55pm in Seoul, Worst Korea, nothing's happened yet.

Bears repeating - the 10th is over, they did nothing.

In my opinion, if a country says "I'm going to nuke you when I get nuke weapons" and then start working on nuke weapons, that's good enough for me to take out the area that can make those weapons.

If someone with a gun says I'm going to shoot you and you can shoot them first, wouldn't you?

make me some tea: I disagree, containment is the best policy. The emperor has no clothes.

Unless directly provoked of course, then it's glass  dirt parking lot time.

FTFY.

Yes I know it was hyperbole. I'm saying, we have no need to get all nukey here, when a sling shot and some big rocks will do. (reverse hyperbole? Is that a thing?)

kimwim: It's 8am, the West is awake, time to get the ball rolling.

But it is dark in NK. How are they going to see to launch the missile?

Weaver95: If we have a war, I expect every conservative I know to get their asses down to the recruiting office immediately.

Dafuq sort of logic is this?  If you're not a soldier, you must be always anti-war?  BS.

gambitsgirl: Y'all are in here but in the thread one up the Japanese accidentally hit enter on an the "rocket launch" tweet. So that makes it real.

/sitting in a state Un probably doesn't care to target

Doesn't NC have Seymour AF base and Fort Bragg?

I'd say you are a priority target.  On the Russian ICBM target list, that is.  But so is Boston, so I'm not any better off.

Jake Havechek: Unless directly provoked of course, then it's glass parking lot time.

Yeah, Japan will be psyched about massive amounts of radioactive fallout being carried by the wind to their country.

With our arsenal, I doubt the US would need to use nuclear weapons to scour most of North Korea. Conventional should do fine.

DEPLOY THE MUTUMBO!

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Jake Havechek: Unless directly provoked of course, then it's glass parking lot time.

Yeah, Japan will be psyched about massive amounts of radioactive fallout being carried by the wind to their country.

With our arsenal, I doubt the US would need to use nuclear weapons to scour most of North Korea. Conventional should do fine.

Conventional didn't work on Hanoi or(former) North Vietnam, what makes you think it would work now?

God Is My Co-Pirate: The Pope of Manwich Village: It just occurred to me that KJU really ramped up the crazy around the same time Hostess went bankrupt. This isn't a diplomatic problem, it's a Twinkie problem.

I know I get really cranky when I'm hungry.

Only Apollo and Metropoulos can save us now.

fireclown: DEPLOY THE MUTUMBO!

YES! Have my babies!

/not really
//love that commercial though

Weaver95: If we have a war, I expect every conservative I know to get their asses down to the recruiting office immediately.

We wouldn't have a direct war. We'd have a proxy war using South Korea and Japan.

We'd be sitting on the sideline directing the action and staring down China.

Jake Havechek: But so is Boston, so I'm not any better off.

That would take care of the bicyclist problem.

/So tired of the arrogant asses disobeying traffic signals and almost smearing themselves across my car.

Jake Havechek: Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Jake Havechek: Unless directly provoked of course, then it's glass parking lot time.

Yeah, Japan will be psyched about massive amounts of radioactive fallout being carried by the wind to their country.

With our arsenal, I doubt the US would need to use nuclear weapons to scour most of North Korea. Conventional should do fine.

Conventional didn't work on Hanoi or(former) North Vietnam, what makes you think it would work now?

Practice makes perfect.

I wonder what the guy in the top left of the photo did to be singled out for pushups...  I think we found the company clown.

Let's have a war!
Jack up the Dow Jones!
Let's have a war!
It can start in New Jersey!
Let's have a war!
Blame it on the middle-class!
Let's have a war!
We're like rats in a cage!

I've given this a lot of thought and I'm pretty sure I have the best solution to all this.

The US needs to "play dead."  Have NK launch their little missile into the ocean and then all major News outlets will write fake news stories and photoshops about the total destruction of the United Sates at the hands of NK nuclear might.

Then as part of this agreement NK would stop pursuing nuclear weapons under the guise to their people (and generals) that they are no longer needed since the evil American Empire is no more.

second time I've posted this today...

Jake Havechek: Let's have a war!
Jack up the Dow Jones!
Let's have a war!
It can start in New Jersey!
Let's have a war!
Blame it on the middle-class!
Let's have a war!
We're like rats in a cage!

There's too many of us.

aevorea: Jake Havechek: But so is Boston, so I'm not any better off.

That would take care of the bicyclist problem.

/So tired of the arrogant asses disobeying traffic signals and almost smearing themselves across my car.

Yeah, but getting all the paint sucked off of your house and getting an instant orange afro before you get blasted into dust can put a damper on your day.

And the cyclists in Cambridge are a bunch of assholes.

You know what's going to happen? Nothing, just like the last 15 times this scenario played out. North Korea may or may not successfully launch a missile, it will fall in the ocean unmolested, and they will come up with some new dire trolling statement tomorrow.

doglover: elchupacabra: Dafuq sort of logic is this? If you're not a soldier, you must be always anti-war?

More like if you are pro war we can't afford and don't want to fight you should either put your ass where your bravado is or go suck a cock and keep your mouth shut because William Tecumseh Sherman you ain't.

So.  If you're not a soldier, you must be anti-war or not offer an opinion at all.  Got it.

fark you.

This reminds of playing Civ when I try to antagonize a rival into attacking me so I can take all their cities without the warmonger diplomacy hit. So I condemn them and denounce them and steal their tiles and city-state allies and try to convert their cities to my religion and make irrational demands.

Kim Jon Un:
I'm a dictata, but y'all knew that
Da Big Boss Un, yeah I hadda do dat
I keep Kim Jong Il's polaroid hanging out my backside
But only on the North side, yeah that's the NKOR side
Ain't no other way to play the nuclear aggression game the way I play
I bomb so much you thought I was DJ Nagasaki ("two!" - "one!" - "yep, three!")
Kay to the I to the M to the Jung to the You Enn Gee
If you step to me, you gots to pay the fee
Cause the people aint' free in my DMZ
Obama don't be frontin', unless you wanna be in deep kimchi
Or maybe send your girl, her name Hill-a-ree, at ease, please.
I can't fake it, just break it, and when I get gone
See I specialize in making all the countres go DEFCON
So bring your friends, all of y'all come inside
We got a world premiere right here, now get live!
So don't change the dizzle, turn it up a little
I got a DMZ full of fine dime missles
The Scud, the Rodong, and the Musadan
I know you got carriers but I gots me the bomb

President Obama
Yo King Jon Un, this is your boy Barack
Bout' ta piss me off, son, now get offa my block
I drive my own cars, int he White House I floss
I got my nubian J-Bidez, muthafarka we the Boss!
Big Barry O, yeah I'm game as hell
On the TV screen and in the magazines, I'ma  rain down hell
If you play me close, you're on a red beam
Oh you got a nuke so you wanna pop back?
US Navy Seventh Fleet, now nubian, stop that!
Cement shoes, now you got 'em on the move
I'll send SEAL Team Six, biatch, they gonna double tap ya smoove
Your family can't find you, and now they miss you
Must I remind you I'm only here to twist you?
Pistol whip you, dip you then flip you
Then dance to this motherfarking music we Stars and Stripes to
Subscribe Kim Jong Un, come and get yo issue
Kimmie come close, let me see show you how I get loose!

Pop it like it's hot
Pop it like it's hot
Pop it like it's hot
I got the finger on the football and I'm pouring Dom Perignon
And I gots the best weaps cuz I gotcha on lockdown PEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE

*slams mic down*

Infernalist: Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Jake Havechek: Unless directly provoked of course, then it's glass parking lot time.

Yeah, Japan will be psyched about massive amounts of radioactive fallout being carried by the wind to their country.

With our arsenal, I doubt the US would need to use nuclear weapons to scour most of North Korea. Conventional should do fine.

A nuclear response to a nuclear attack is a political necessity.

I don't know about that. I don't think China will much appreciate us dropping nukes in their backyard, and we don't want to create tensions with them. If we can crush a militaristic nation like NK in front of the world without using nuclear weapons, it would create hesitation for any other would-be nuclear powers.

Basically folks, if you have a military installation in your state, specifically a resupply and refit base, you're farked.

See, the USA and former USSR states still maintain and staff their ICBM facilities at a very high level, and you know they've been briefed to be more alert that usual.

Of course, this is an scenario that could never happen as cool heads will always prevail.

Right?

Right?

Maul555: I wonder what the guy in the top left of the photo did to be singled out for pushups...  I think we found the company clown.
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He's DMZ Planking.

From our local news repeater:

The prospect of a North Korean missile launch is "considerably high," South Korea's foreign minister told lawmakers Wednesday as Pyongyang prepared to mark the April 15 birthday of its founder, historically a time when it seeks to draw the world's attention with dramatic displays of military power.

So it's less of a "going to finally get all serious with the outside world," and more of a "right on schedule to put on a show for the folks at home."

Personally, I'm happy that this time around, neither the US nor China are blinking.  My reasons are long and blathering and complicated, but they're mostly relief.

Maul555: I wonder what the guy in the top left of the photo did to be singled out for pushups... I think we found the company clown.

the guy on the left:  "Gary!  Dude.  Seriously?  Get up man.  It's big boy time!  fall in, private!"

"I DON'T WANNA!  MY TUMMY HURTS!"

"Gary.  Seriously. You look like an idiot.  You're already dressed anyways.  Fall in, godammit!"

"YOU EAT DOO DOO!"

Tobin_Lam: kimwim: It's 8am, the West is awake, time to get the ball rolling.

But it is dark in NK. How are they going to see to launch the missile?



They have a lightbulb.

nekom: make me some tea:
They're going to test-fire a new missile, from the looks of it. Hopefully someone shoots the f*cking thing down, for the lulz.

Japan has said in no uncertain terms that they WILL. The U.S. doesn't seem to have said anything more than "We're pretty sure we can."

Given that they have indicated that they intend to use nuclear weapons (even though I don't believe that they even can), any missile launch should be viewed as hostile, and I say any nation has the right to destroy it. If I were POTUS, I would have given SERIOUS thought to taking it out on the ground as soon as they began fueling. No missile for you, fatty ding dongs, NOT YOURS.

Japan will try to shoot it down if it comes in range of their Patriot batteries, but that's a pretty limited missile; max ceiling is under 80,000 feet. If NK shoots a Musudan out to the end of its 2,500- to 4,000-kilometer range, it would be WAY higher than that on its way over Japan.

BTW, that missile has never been test launched by NK before. It's just as likely to blow up during the initial boost phase as not.

elchupacabra: Weaver95: If we have a war, I expect every conservative I know to get their asses down to the recruiting office immediately.

Dafuq sort of logic is this?  If you're not a soldier, you must be always anti-war?  BS.

He's one of the many Flaming Libs here in Farkistan, so it's basically just his standard whargarbl.

Forget it, he's on a roll...

Jake Havechek: Basically folks, if you have a military installation in your state, specifically a resupply and refit base, you're farked.

See, the USA and former USSR states still maintain and staff their ICBM facilities at a very high level, and you know they've been briefed to be more alert that usual.

Of course, this is an scenario that could never happen as cool heads will always prevail.

Right?

Right?

Do you wear a drool bib, or just use your sleeve? The only former USSR state with nukes is Russia, and they're on our side when it comes to North Korea and China.

Infernalist: Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Infernalist: Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Jake Havechek: Unless directly provoked of course, then it's glass parking lot time.

Yeah, Japan will be psyched about massive amounts of radioactive fallout being carried by the wind to their country.

With our arsenal, I doubt the US would need to use nuclear weapons to scour most of North Korea. Conventional should do fine.

A nuclear response to a nuclear attack is a political necessity.

I don't know about that. I don't think China will much appreciate us dropping nukes in their backyard, and we don't want to create tensions with them. If we can crush a militaristic nation like NK in front of the world without using nuclear weapons, it would create hesitation for any other would-be nuclear powers.

The political party that allowed Americans die, or our allies to die to a nuclear attack without a nuclear response would lose power for a generation or more.

Do not underestimate the American need for overwhelmingly destructive revenge.

Hey I'm as bloodthirsty as any other American, but as a world power we have to be more responsible than the NKs of the world. They did it so we can too is not good enough, and if you can accomplish your goals without resorting to nukes, so much the better.

Hey, Best Korea:

Seriously, WTF?

You have one foot over the edge. You let that foot drop and you're in something your perpetual petulant teenager of a leader is not ready for. It's not the U.S., it's China, Russia, and pretty much everyone else paying attention except your buddies in Iran. You're head will spin so fast it will leave your neck.

You know what the U.S. response is going to be when everyone else bombs you?

mbillips: Jake Havechek: Basically folks, if you have a military installation in your state, specifically a resupply and refit base, you're farked.

See, the USA and former USSR states still maintain and staff their ICBM facilities at a very high level, and you know they've been briefed to be more alert that usual.

Of course, this is an scenario that could never happen as cool heads will always prevail.

Right?

Right?

Do you wear a drool bib, or just use your sleeve? The only former USSR state with nukes is Russia, and they're on our side when it comes to North Korea and China.

Russia is on their own side, they never do anything out of gratitude.  Russia has been working closely with Iran on their nuclear weapons program.

Go fark yourself, sparky.

Jake Havechek: Sensual Tyrannosaurus: Jake Havechek: Unless directly provoked of course, then it's glass parking lot time.

Yeah, Japan will be psyched about massive amounts of radioactive fallout being carried by the wind to their country.

With our arsenal, I doubt the US would need to use nuclear weapons to scour most of North Korea. Conventional should do fine.

Conventional didn't work on Hanoi or(former) North Vietnam, what makes you think it would work now?

Because we weren't using smart bombs on Hanoi. Also, too, bombing Hanoi did work; it forced the North Vietnamese to sign the Paris Peace Accords in 1973. The war didn't kick off again until early 1975, when the sheer incompetence of the South Vietnamese government and military led to their swift defeat (despite superior equipment).

Maul555: I wonder what the guy in the top left of the photo did to be singled out for pushups...  I think we found the company clown.
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Rookie move having all your siege tanks clustered together. One cloaked ghost and bye-bye.

nekom: make me some tea:
It's best that we do nothing unless there's a direct threat to SK or any US assets. Japan can hold its own. If they launch another test missile into the ocean, so be it. We need to just hold the line and nothing more. I'm pretty sure that's all that will happen, though. This is a huge bluff; they want concessions, but they've painted themselves into a corner, so f*ck them.

I would argue that there already exists a direct threat to worst Korea and Japan. Not to the USA just yet, but certainly to the south. I would shoot down any missile they launched, no matter the circumstances. I may be in the minority opinion, but we have a tyrannical dictatorship with nuclear weapons. This isn't good. This isn't good at all. How long will we continue to allow this to exist? It's only going to get worse if he starts developing more nukes and the means to deliver them. No, in my mind, this HAS to stop, and now is the time.

Oh, oh, I know this one! George W. Bush!!

Jake Havechek: mbillips: Jake Havechek: Basically folks, if you have a military installation in your state, specifically a resupply and refit base, you're farked.

See, the USA and former USSR states still maintain and staff their ICBM facilities at a very high level, and you know they've been briefed to be more alert that usual.

Of course, this is an scenario that could never happen as cool heads will always prevail.

Right?

Right?

Do you wear a drool bib, or just use your sleeve? The only former USSR state with nukes is Russia, and they're on our side when it comes to North Korea and China.

Russia is on their own side, they never do anything out of gratitude.  Russia has been working closely with Iran on their nuclear weapons program.

Go fark yourself, sparky.

Dumb guy is dumb. Russia HAD been working with Iran on their nuclear-power program, but now they've joined in the UN sanctions because it's so clear Iran is working on a weapon. You think Russia wants a nuclear-armed Iran a couple hundred miles from its border? And Russia hasn't cooperated with North Korea on anything since 1991.

TXEric: elchupacabra: Weaver95: If we have a war, I expect every conservative I know to get their asses down to the recruiting office immediately.

Dafuq sort of logic is this?  If you're not a soldier, you must be always anti-war?  BS.

He's one of the many Flaming Libs here in Farkistan, so it's basically just his standard whargarbl.

Forget it, he's on a roll...

It's not the "Lib" that bothers me so much as the asinine "chickenhawk" assertion.

nekom: TheShavingofOccam123: The Chi-coms will defend the Korean peninsula. And thanks to America's adoption of pre-emptive war, all-out war, and shock-and-awe war, we are in deep doo-doo.

Don't forget that they voted IN FAVOR of the latest sanctions. They didn't even abstain, they voted for them.

And George Bush isn't president any more. The current administration is pretty much the opposite of being down with preemptive war.

elchupacabra: Weaver95: If we have a war, I expect every conservative I know to get their asses down to the recruiting office immediately.

Dafuq sort of logic is this?  If you're not a soldier, you must be always anti-war?  BS.

Shhhh. Don't feed him.

elchupacabra: TXEric: elchupacabra: Weaver95: If we have a war, I expect every conservative I know to get their asses down to the recruiting office immediately.

Dafuq sort of logic is this?  If you're not a soldier, you must be always anti-war?  BS.

He's one of the many Flaming Libs here in Farkistan, so it's basically just his standard whargarbl.

Forget it, he's on a roll...

It's not the "Lib" that bothers me so much as the asinine "chickenhawk" assertion.

What's asinine about it? If you're constantly calling for war, but you avoided military service, you're a chickenhawk. That's the definition. People who have been in combat generally take it more seriously. EVERYONE should always be anti-war; war is like putting a pet to sleep. Sometimes you have to do it, but you should do as much as possible to avoid it.

A month from now, we'll all be focusing on the next media scare story, and North Korea will have quietly gone back to brutalizing its people.

There's a reason why South Korea isn't freaking out over all of this. They know it's all bullshiat from the same tired playbook that the Kim family has been running for decades. North Korea is nothing more than an emaciated pitbull behind a fence that occasionally barks at pedestrians.

I want to know what's happening on the other side of the planet while this nonsense has our attention.

As an ex-boxer ... here's my left, left, left, left ... uppercut with right! Caught you watching.

1,2,3,4,5,6,7 ....

Clemkadidlefark: I want to know what's happening on the other side of the planet while this nonsense has our attention.

Pakistan launched a test missile.

Jake Havechek: And the cyclists in Cambridge are a bunch of assholes.

Exactly where I drive in town.

mbillips: elchupacabra: TXEric: elchupacabra: Weaver95: If we have a war, I expect every conservative I know to get their asses down to the recruiting office immediately.

Dafuq sort of logic is this?  If you're not a soldier, you must be always anti-war?  BS.

He's one of the many Flaming Libs here in Farkistan, so it's basically just his standard whargarbl.

Forget it, he's on a roll...

It's not the "Lib" that bothers me so much as the asinine "chickenhawk" assertion.

What's asinine about it? If you're constantly calling for war, but you avoided military service, you're a chickenhawk. That's the definition. People who have been in combat generally take it more seriously. EVERYONE should always be anti-war; war is like putting a pet to sleep. Sometimes you have to do it, but you should do as much as possible to avoid it.

That's garbage -- it's an attack on the person, not the argument.  It's about as rational as "Why do you hate America?" being thrown out at most anti-war protestors.

And as for avoiding it -- if avoiding it now just means a worse war later, then no.  And while it's entirely possible NK might actually collapse before any war, I'd suggest that war now MIGHT SAVE MORE LIVES, given NK is trying to expand their nuclear capability and is near certain to take advantage of any future weakness in SK or the US if one comes up.

Clemkadidlefark: I want to know what's happening on the other side of the planet while this nonsense has our attention.

As an ex-boxer ... here's my left, left, left, left ... uppercut with right! Caught you watching.

1,2,3,4,5,6,7 ....

On the complete opposite side of the planet from North Korea, Argentina, Halle Berry is promoting "The Call," the government is freezing natural gas prices to try to curb inflation, and everyone is still hungover from the party they threw to celebrate Margaret Thatcher's death.

elchupacabra: mbillips: elchupacabra: TXEric: elchupacabra: Weaver95: If we have a war, I expect every conservative I know to get their asses down to the recruiting office immediately.

Dafuq sort of logic is this?  If you're not a soldier, you must be always anti-war?  BS.

He's one of the many Flaming Libs here in Farkistan, so it's basically just his standard whargarbl.

Forget it, he's on a roll...

It's not the "Lib" that bothers me so much as the asinine "chickenhawk" assertion.

What's asinine about it? If you're constantly calling for war, but you avoided military service, you're a chickenhawk. That's the definition. People who have been in combat generally take it more seriously. EVERYONE should always be anti-war; war is like putting a pet to sleep. Sometimes you have to do it, but you should do as much as possible to avoid it.

That's garbage -- it's an attack on the person, not the argument.  It's about as rational as "Why do you hate America?" being thrown out at most anti-war protestors.

And as for avoiding it -- if avoiding it now just means a worse war later, then no.  And while it's entirely possible NK might actually collapse before any war, I'd suggest that war now MIGHT SAVE MORE LIVES, given NK is trying to expand their nuclear capability and is near certain to take advantage of any future weakness in SK or the US if one comes up.

That might make sense, if North Korea were a threat to anyone. They want nukes for the same reason Pakistan got nukes. They want to be invasion-proof. They've saw what happens to a numerically superior force using 1970s Soviet technology against a modern army like South Korea's, in '91 and 2003. They get munched. North Korea's military is a joke, and they're perfectly aware of it.

MmmmBacon: They will also do everything they can to strike a blow against the US, be it missile strikes on Guam,

Infernalist: mbillips: nekom: TheShavingofOccam123: The Chi-coms will defend the Korean peninsula. And thanks to America's adoption of pre-emptive war, all-out war, and shock-and-awe war, we are in deep doo-doo.

Don't forget that they voted IN FAVOR of the latest sanctions. They didn't even abstain, they voted for them.

And George Bush isn't president any more. The current administration is pretty much the opposite of being down with preemptive war.

And, to add to all of that, when was the last time you saw Japan and China aligned on anything military related?

Probably not since China was Japanese property. And before then, probably not since Japan was Chinese property.

mbillips:

That might make sense, if North Korea were a threat to anyone. They want nukes for the same reason Pakistan got nukes. They want to be invasion-proof. They've saw what happens to a numerically superior force using 1970s Soviet technology against a modern army like South Korea's, in '91 and 2003. They get munched. North Korea's military is a joke, and they're perfectly aware of it.

Problem with countries like Pakistan and NK being "invasion-proof" is that they're not exactly going to just wave their nukes as a permanent "defensive" setup.  They're going to think they can get away with more of the things that make others want to invade them in the first place.  That makes them eventually more of a threat, not less, barring some other counterbalance -- like Indian nukes.  Are we cool with more nuclear proliferation in the Far East -- with the added MAD risk that entails -- just so we can claim we avoided a potentially messy war here?  Not to mention the added risk of weapons theft or highjacking.

elchupacabra: mbillips:

That might make sense, if North Korea were a threat to anyone. They want nukes for the same reason Pakistan got nukes. They want to be invasion-proof. They've saw what happens to a numerically superior force using 1970s Soviet technology against a modern army like South Korea's, in '91 and 2003. They get munched. North Korea's military is a joke, and they're perfectly aware of it.

Problem with countries like Pakistan and NK being "invasion-proof" is that they're not exactly going to just wave their nukes as a permanent "defensive" setup.  They're going to think they can get away with more of the things that make others want to invade them in the first place.  That makes them eventually more of a threat, not less, barring some other counterbalance -- like Indian nukes.  Are we cool with more nuclear proliferation in the Far East -- with the added MAD risk that entails -- just so we can claim we avoided a potentially messy war here?  Not to mention the added risk of weapons theft or highjacking.

Those are not your only two choices. There are lots of ways to forestall nuclear proliferation other than starting a war on behalf of people who DON'T WANT A WAR. This is not our call. This is SOUTH KOREA's call. And they're really, really not in favor of starting a war with North Korea. They're not going to put up with their crap, but they're not going to invade, either.

"More nuclear proliferation in the Far East." Who exactly is looking to get nukes in the Far East? North Korea has them, at least some very primitive ones. China has them. I'm not aware of anyone else looking to get them.

/too soon?

mbillips: This is not our call. This is SOUTH KOREA's call. And they're really, really not in favor of starting a war with North Korea. They're not going to put up with their crap, but they're not going to invade, either.

Agreed, although I'd argue that SK should seriously consider the probability that this won't end peacefully, and decide when to draw the line where they won't put up with this any longer.  I've not seen that yet.

"More nuclear proliferation in the Far East." Who exactly is looking to get nukes in the Far East? North Korea has them, at least some very primitive ones. China has them. I'm not aware of anyone else looking to get them.

Well, not yet.  Let NK get about 20-30 and you're gonna see Japan, SK, and a few other countries start debating the need.

Maul555: I wonder what the guy in the top left of the photo did to be singled out for pushups...  I think we found the company clown.
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He could just be drunk.

The Pope of Manwich Village: It just occurred to me that KJU really ramped up the crazy around the same time Hostess went bankrupt. This isn't a diplomatic problem, it's a Twinkie problem.

Tell em about the twinkie.

I know the guys I know that were or are in the army have turned up the NK memes to 11. It's never too early to dehumanize the enemy.

If we really wanted to shut them down would we even need troops on the ground?

mbillips: "More nuclear proliferation in the Far East." Who exactly is looking to get nukes in the Far East? North Korea has them, at least some very primitive ones. China has them. I'm not aware of anyone else looking to get them.

Ummm... you might want to look up a few threads...

Radioactive Ass: mbillips: "More nuclear proliferation in the Far East." Who exactly is looking to get nukes in the Far East? North Korea has them, at least some very primitive ones. China has them. I'm not aware of anyone else looking to get them.

Ummm... you might want to look up a few threads...

That's one politician talking noise. South Korea is REALLY anti-nuke, and Japan even more so.

doglover: elchupacabra: you're gonna see Japan, SK, and a few other countries start debating the need.

Oh please.

Perhaps I should have highlighted debating.  Japan's not going to just shrug and carry on if NK -- more unstable than China -- becomes a bigger nuclear power than it is now.  You may be right, but let's not trivialize the possibility, at least acknowledge this is a feasible outcome.

mbillips: Radioactive Ass: mbillips: "More nuclear proliferation in the Far East." Who exactly is looking to get nukes in the Far East? North Korea has them, at least some very primitive ones. China has them. I'm not aware of anyone else looking to get them.

Ummm... you might want to look up a few threads...

That's one politician talking noise. South Korea is REALLY anti-nuke, and Japan even more so.

You can be anti-gun as much as you want, today.  If the neighbors start ranting about how they're going to murder you in your sleep and the cops can't get enough evidence to take them away, how anti-gun are you going to be tomorrow?

elchupacabra: doglover: elchupacabra: you're gonna see Japan, SK, and a few other countries start debating the need.

Oh please.

Perhaps I should have highlighted debating.  Japan's not going to just shrug and carry on if NK -- more unstable than China -- becomes a bigger nuclear power than it is now.  You may be right, but let's not trivialize the possibility, at least acknowledge this is a feasible outcome.

North Korea, IF it restarts its breeder reactor and carries on, can produce enough fissile material to build one bomb per year. Meanwhile, the sanctions are really starting to bite now that China's on board (which is why we're seeing the current hissy fit). The odds that the NK regime could hang around long enough to build a real nuclear arsenal is pretty much zero. Next big famine, they're done.

mbillips: elchupacabra: doglover: elchupacabra: you're gonna see Japan, SK, and a few other countries start debating the need.

Oh please.

Perhaps I should have highlighted debating.  Japan's not going to just shrug and carry on if NK -- more unstable than China -- becomes a bigger nuclear power than it is now.  You may be right, but let's not trivialize the possibility, at least acknowledge this is a feasible outcome.

North Korea, IF it restarts its breeder reactor and carries on, can produce enough fissile material to build one bomb per year. Meanwhile, the sanctions are really starting to bite now that China's on board (which is why we're seeing the current hissy fit). The odds that the NK regime could hang around long enough to build a real nuclear arsenal is pretty much zero. Next big famine, they're done.

I hope you're right, but we're relying on information coming from one of the most secluded nations in the world, if not in history.

Clemkadidlefark: I want to know what's happening on the other side of the planet while this nonsense has our attention.

As an ex-boxer ... here's my left, left, left, left ... uppercut with right! Caught you watching.

1,2,3,4,5,6,7 ....

Go home, Clemkadidlefark.You're punch drunk.

sid244: THE SOUTH IS GONNA RISE AGAIN!!!
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You know what would be totally biatchin'? Trick out a suped-up Hyundai Veloster, paint it bright orange with that flag on the roof. And put the name "Gen. Park Ho Lee" on the back.

"Round about then, Boss Jong Un was trying to get the ol' Park boys in a heap of trouble. LEEEEE-HAWWWRRR!!"

/Stock Veloster Turbo has about 30 percent better power-to-weight ratio than a stock 383-equipped '68 Charger.

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That's some damned good insight.  A little photoshop-fu (beyond my meager skills) could make that into something phenomenal.

WeenerGord: Are we at war yet?

Technically we never stopped being at war; but according to the BBC we're not shooting at each other again, yet.  Although, that gives me an idea for a Korean tensions status website.  It would be similar to the Abe Vigoda status website, except instead of "Is Abe Vigoda alive?" it would answer a question along the lines of "Are North and South Korea currently shooting at each other?"

WeenerGord: Are we at war yet?

We haven't been at War since WW2.

To be at war we must first declare war, which only congress can do, which they haven't done since WW2.

mbillips and  fireclown

I've been putting that post in almost every Best Korea thread I can and you two are the Weeners on it.

mbillips: I could see PSI playing 'Cooter'.

fireclown: Like you, my shoppe skills are not impressive.  But come on, this is Fark.  Surely someone has the ability to take my idea and run with it.

Is everyone dead yet? haven't checked this thread all day.

I wonder if the Blue Angels, Fleet Weeks, Thunderbirds, etc getting cut right in the middle of the Sequester while this whole Norky thing is going on really is just a coincidence.  Not to go all conspiracy theorist, but it's possible that North Korea is taking advantage of the sequester to think that it's a good time to brag about their military first policy while we're trying to save money on military spending.