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2013-04-10 11:32:45 AM  
Millions of people play FPSs for millions of hours. It takes a special kind of farked in the head to think that what's good for Locusts is good for your classmates.
 
2013-04-10 11:34:14 AM  

spottymax: Peter Brown wrote to say
You can't play shooters today.


Doesn't matter much to me
As long as she's dead...

//Sorry, the cadence fit.
 
2013-04-10 11:34:16 AM  
tl;dr: "I'm terrified of ugly nerds who play video games"

The fact of the matter is that "Vidjagames Make You Crazy" is confirmation bias.  EVERYONE these days plays videogames of one kind or another.  Well, maybe not that old guy who killed a bus driver and kidnapped a kid, or some of the other old guys who have gone postal recently, but they don't count because they don't reinforce assumptions.

Hell, I even watched one of those Sunday-morning political shows about a month ago, and every single expert and demagogue (outside of the PTC guy) agreed that, at worst, violent media only seems to affect people who already have disturbed, violent impulses.  The PTC guy, on the other hand, gave the same boilerplate they've been using for ages (including 1990's videogame titles).
 
2013-04-10 11:35:44 AM  
Puffhost blows.
 
2013-04-10 11:36:20 AM  
tl;dr
I wanted to kill all the jocks when I was in school but I didn't have video games to train me ergo video games cause shootings.
 
2013-04-10 11:37:34 AM  

Mr. Eugenides: ADHD Librarian: Perhaps the article was not published because, rather than explore the issues that caused you to be a potential shooter or the people and events which helped you become a better person, you leapt straight into the "whahhh video games, young people today with the zippity zappity. Go ride bikes..."
Way too many of your own unsubstantiated hypothesises and not enough delving into your own experiences (you know, the things that you could have a unique voice on). There are enough people who blame video games, or the indoors but there are also people who will tell you that being able to take out their frustrations on a first person shooter helped them. There are not many people who can tell you how they went from having a shotgun in their lunchbox to being a teacher.

Well, the argument that video games cause school shootings is probably more substantiated than the scary black long guns cause school shootings hypothesis.  I think every mass shooter going back to Columbine has been documented as an FPS player.  That's a greater correlation than the one between black long gun ownership and mass shootings.


Or as the author, he could have delved into the fact that none of these kids, NONE, had a support network in their own house. NAH. It was the video games.
 
2013-04-10 11:38:17 AM  
This is outrageous! Not the fact that this piece was not published on HuffPo but an idiot like this was on their blogroll.
 
2013-04-10 11:39:27 AM  

Mara See Mara Do: Millions of people play FPSs for millions of hours. It takes a special kind of farked in the head to think that what's good for Locusts is good for your classmates.


GoW? Wanna play?

/but yeah, millions of shooter games, many of which are played in countries with better gun respect/laws than the states
//I love my guns, swords and other weapons, but I play video games partly for the community and the game's story and action
 
2013-04-10 11:39:33 AM  
I'd want to vett this guy's story before publishing it.  My guess is the HuffPost didn't want another made up story on their site and didn't feel like going through the effort.

He's not really saying a whole lot that's new in his blog, just that outdoors is better than indoors, and that some parents suck.  The problem is that sucky parents won't take his or anyone's advice.
 
2013-04-10 11:40:23 AM  

sure haven't: "played a lot of FPS"

*close window*

Dumbass.

/yeah, look at all these engineers and designers now that Mincecraft is popular
//Look at how I'm a stunt biker now thanks to Excite Bike



I played Asteroids a lot when I was young, and I grew up to be a triangle.
 
2013-04-10 11:40:48 AM  
While I can agree that getting teens involved in a variety of activities is probably a good thing, I don't subscribe to the idea that nature is some great mysterious anti-violence force. Taking kids hiking or canoeing or climbing can, in addition to other (yes, even non-outdoors) activities, help make kids/teens into well rounded individuals, and that sounds great, but why ban video games specifically from the list of activities? I wonder if this guy would support teaching kids/teens how to hunt. It's definitely an outdoor activity, but it uses guns and that could be practice for a killing spree. What about fishing? The next Pinhead could be practicing his torture methods for a killing spree. Imagine the carnage a 16 year old equipped with a tackle box could wreak on an elementary school! So much for the awesome healing powers of nature.
 
2013-04-10 11:41:28 AM  

slayer199: It's kind of a "well duh."

FPS games are probably not the best thing for kids with emotional problems.  It's not a cause, but a likely a symptom.

It's simple...as parents, you just limit the time your kid has on the computer.  The problem really is that too many parents let the computer babysit their teens when they really are feeling the most lost and awkward.


Agreed.  He's got cause and effect backwards.
 
2013-04-10 11:42:22 AM  
Ok first off we can kind of see the problem. He had major anger issues, yet obviously no adult was close enough in his life to help him. If he had, then he probably wouldn't have carried the guns in the first place. To me the "Video games are evil" thing is like being raised in a racist home. You hear that stuff so much it starts to stick in your mind.

The reason the kids are violent is the fact that there is less parental involvement. TV, video games and computers are babysitters and parent have more time to themselves. If video games were the problem the killings would be a lot more frequent due to the high percentage of kids playing games. But it is still low and random.

Kids need adults to say "no" or get them help when it is needed. Frequent talks with the kid or therapy in some cases would do wonders. Also limitations on usage helps. Sit with the kid (especially younger ones) and discuss what is going on in the game. Turn it into a talk on why actions were taken. Be involved.

This guy basically says "I was crazy but never hurt anyone because I didn't play video games. They are the devil. These kids played video games and killed people. They were just like me only they played video games. Video games must be the problem."

No wonder HP didn't publish it. The guy comes off as a nut job who blames games for everything. It is not video games. There were lots of killings before video games. Many were even worse than the ones now.
 
2013-04-10 11:42:44 AM  
I thought it was rock and roll that drove kids to do this.
 
2013-04-10 11:43:07 AM  
Here's a fascinating reality. Kids like video games. Most kids play video games. You could probably find the same level of correlation between say, school shooters and liking pizza, ice cream, and summer vacation. Lets take a look at Grimm's Fairytales and then compare that to the slop we're tossing on children's television now.

Also, after reading the article and the "writer's" comments about not being on the blogreel anymore, well... to quote Dr. Sheldon Cooper:

I have a theory based on an observation.
 
2013-04-10 11:43:37 AM  
white text on black...closes window

yer blergh sercks
 
2013-04-10 11:44:38 AM  

Biff_Steel: I thought it was rock and roll that drove kids to do this.


Jazz music and the marijuana.
 
2013-04-10 11:44:44 AM  
I played Star Fox on Supernintendo and now I battle giant waffle irons in space.
 
2013-04-10 11:46:04 AM  
-I played counter strike pretty much all day every day from the minute it was released, up until I graduated high school.
-I love, and am well versed in the usage of, firearms. I've owned several since my dad bought me my first .22 when I was 13.
-I had difficulty fitting in and making friends in high school(my family put me in a high school full of farm kids, I hate farms, farming, and people who don't shut up about their prize winning cattle or whatever. It's dull as hell to me)
-I never paid much attention in school
-I was flagged by the school counselor as "high risk" when it came to potentially violent tendencies

Despite all of this, I never got into a fight during high school, never resolved any problem with violent tendencies  and when the school counselors would constantly ask me what I thought about Columbine my response was always "why bother killing a ton of others if you're just going to kill yourself? I'm not suicidal or feeling like violence is ever the answer. But if I reached a point where suicide became a viable option, just kill yourself and get it over with. Why needlessly involve others and hurt entire families with no reason?"

Reality was, I may have been a loaner but I was also one of the least violent kids in class. Even though I had easy access to high powered weapons, lots of experience "training" on a violent tactical shooter, and a high level of social awkwardness.

By the authors rationale, I have just proven without a shadow of a doubt how violent video games DO NOT cause school shootings.

good day sir.
 
2013-04-10 11:48:57 AM  
White text on a black background. No farking wonder HuffPo didn't print it. Holy hell. That is an abomination to my eyes.
 
2013-04-10 11:49:05 AM  
No, honey.  You were probably absolutely gun-obsessed as a kid because you felt powerless in school for whatever various social and learning reasons.  Carrying around a gun probably made you feel like you had power, because in your head you could go, "You're making me feel like shiat, but I could end your life right now.  I could.  But I'm not.  You have no idea who has the power here right now.  I do."  And that made you feel better.

Video games wouldn't have changed that.  Actually, some video games might have helped you, by giving you a feeling of control, or being able to play the hero.  There's more to video games than just FPSes, and not all FPSes are created equal, anyway.

You also probably became a high school teacher for the power thing.  You're in there, in control of the classroom like you never could have been as a kid.  And that's just sad for so many reasons.
 
2013-04-10 11:49:48 AM  
Got to where it mentioned 'but I didn't play video games' and closed the window.


They didn't print it because it was stupid.
 
2013-04-10 11:50:18 AM  

Canton: If they caused violence, wouldn't we see a lot more school shootings than we do?


I think you meant to ask, "wouldn't we have a lot more shootings than we would otherwise?"  The question is whether we have more shootings than we would have if troubled loner kids didn't play shoot-em-up games.

On this matter, I am not certain.  It always seemed obvious to me that cartoon and video game violence was fictional, and I had no mental difficulty separating it from real life.  On the other hand, we're talking about messed up kids, who may have violent impulses and who may view games as something very different, like practice.

/Plus, I played games like Mr. Do and Exidy's Venture
//Maybe I'd have violent tendencies if someone handed me a massively pixelated bow
 
2013-04-10 11:51:38 AM  
Enjoyed the read at first,

Uh huh
Uh huh,
wow, what a little shiat you were, a framing hammer?
U huh,
U huh,
Uh........

OH FFS!!! VIDEO GAMES?!?!??
 
2013-04-10 11:58:45 AM  
fark you subby, for giving that dumbass so many hits on his blog.
 
2013-04-10 11:58:53 AM  
For the attention span-impaired: water seeks its own level.

That is, kids (especially teenagers) with unhealthy fantasies will find material to validate them, be they video games, porn, whatever. I personally believe that the way to counter that is to find ways to engage them in ways that develop a sense of empathy and community, and ultimately, self-confidence. These are the things the author lacked as a teen... with cringe-worthy results.

There is something to be said for outdoor activities but they aren't a be-all end-all. Not all kids will respond to that kind of thing - some may find them frustrating or boring. There should be other options,  such as volunteer work and public arts just to name a couple.
 
2013-04-10 11:59:47 AM  
"I've never played video games and I didn't shoot up my school.  Therefore I have the expertise and authority to conclude that video games are the reason for school shootings."
 
2013-04-10 12:01:10 PM  

jayphat: Mr. Eugenides: ADHD Librarian: Perhaps the article was not published because, rather than explore the issues that caused you to be a potential shooter or the people and events which helped you become a better person, you leapt straight into the "whahhh video games, young people today with the zippity zappity. Go ride bikes..."
Way too many of your own unsubstantiated hypothesises and not enough delving into your own experiences (you know, the things that you could have a unique voice on). There are enough people who blame video games, or the indoors but there are also people who will tell you that being able to take out their frustrations on a first person shooter helped them. There are not many people who can tell you how they went from having a shotgun in their lunchbox to being a teacher.

Well, the argument that video games cause school shootings is probably more substantiated than the scary black long guns cause school shootings hypothesis.  I think every mass shooter going back to Columbine has been documented as an FPS player.  That's a greater correlation than the one between black long gun ownership and mass shootings.

Or as the author, he could have delved into the fact that none of these kids, NONE, had a support network in their own house. NAH. It was the video games.


I think his argument was more along the line of "absent violent video games socially maladjusted loners are less likely to engage in a mass killing."

If you look at 4 factors: socially maladjusted male loner, lack of adult support, engaging in mock violence with guns, access to guns you see that all of them seem to be there for most mass shooters.  There are probably more factors to consider, but I suspect that if you were to see all of those factors in an 18 year old male you only need a triggering incident for a mass shooting.

No single factor makes a mass shooter, that doesn't mean that FPS games are not a factor.
 
2013-04-10 12:04:05 PM  
wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com

Correlation =/= Causation

/Also white text on a dark background?  OW, MY EYEBALLS!
 
2013-04-10 12:07:56 PM  

Xcott: Canton: If they caused violence, wouldn't we see a lot more school shootings than we do?

I think you meant to ask, "wouldn't we have a lot more shootings than we would otherwise?"  The question is whether we have more shootings than we would have if troubled loner kids didn't play shoot-em-up games.

On this matter, I am not certain.  It always seemed obvious to me that cartoon and video game violence was fictional, and I had no mental difficulty separating it from real life.  On the other hand, we're talking about messed up kids, who may have violent impulses and who may view games as something very different, like practice.

/Plus, I played games like Mr. Do and Exidy's Venture
//Maybe I'd have violent tendencies if someone handed me a massively pixelated bow


Yeah, that's more or less what I meant. (What I get for posting late...)

Video game violence is obviously fictional to most people. On the other hand, games get more and more realistic as technology improves, and some individuals have trouble discerning fact from fiction. Which could include certain messed up kids. Such certain messed up kids need adult intervention, not across-the-board video game bans for all. Which... has been covered in earlier posts here.

/I really miss playing Diablo.
//Killing demons and zombies with magic and enchanted axes is fun.
///Not remotely violent.
 
2013-04-10 12:10:38 PM  
Let me get this straight.
Thousands and thousands of people play violent video games and every mass shooter in the last 20 years also played violent video games.
But that correlation should have zero impact on any government action or laws regarding violent video games.
Millions and millions of people own guns and every mass shooter, by definition, has used a gun to kill people.
But that correlation means the government MUST ban all scary looking weapons and severely restrict a citizen's ability to purchase or own a firearm.

Got it.
 
2013-04-10 12:10:54 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Didn't read the whole thing, but from the comments above I  guess he blames video games.


He does.  It's a pretty standard "blame video games," maybe a teeny bit above average because he's specifically not advocating banning video games altogether.  But it's not especially compelling or well-written and there's no need to posit a conspiracy for why it wasn't published.

Also, subby is either a troll or woefully unaware of what the word "truth" means.  Either way his headline was bad and he should feel bad.
 
2013-04-10 12:10:57 PM  
That they've been set up by the NRA as a means to bump gun sales every quarter or so?  Yeah, we already know about that.
 
2013-04-10 12:11:08 PM  

SilentStrider: Your blug sucks.


Do you have a gub?
 
2013-04-10 12:11:43 PM  
"I was a psycho who got expelled from school for carrying a loaded, stolen handgun into class. Then I didn't learn my lesson and would carry around loaded sawed off shotguns. I got in lots of fights but never murdered anyone. My mom raised me to believe video games are evil, and so I do believe it, because that makes a lot of sense. Some people who did terrible things also played video games. I didn't ever murder anyone, only thought about it constantly and also thought about killing myself, so clearly video games cause murders."

I can't imagine why HuffPo wouldn't want this psychopath on their staff.
 
2013-04-10 12:13:09 PM  
Maybe HuffPo didn't post your op-ed because you're a farking moran? Just a thought.
 
2013-04-10 12:22:26 PM  
I agree with him at the end that outdoors activity is healthier than video games.  However, society is starting to shift and look at outdoorsy people as "weird"

When I tell people I fly fish, they think I'm weird because they don't understand it.  When I tell people I hunt, they think I'm a blood thirsty maniac.  When I tell people I shoot sporting clays, trap and skeet they assume I'm a gun nut who will probably shoot up a school.  I'm not a crazy hillbilly, I am an engineer and rational intelligent person that makes close to a six figure salary.   It's easier just not to tell people about these hobbies because they don't seem to be socially acceptable anymore.  I can't see how we are going to convince kids to take this path.  Video games in excess may not be the healthiest hobby but it's acceptable.
 
2013-04-10 12:28:46 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Didn't read the whole thing, but from the comments above I  guess he blames video games.


Yep.  Article was pretty good until he dove off the deep end.  And the sad part is he already indicated the factors that "Changed" his life.  Then some how because he didnt play video games and the other kids did play video games that video games MUST be the root cause.  HS school teacher, he has to be something like art or some other non-thinking subject.
 
2013-04-10 12:30:07 PM  
Truth: School shootings are caused by windmills and gay marriage.
 
2013-04-10 12:31:46 PM  
Easy to see why Huffington Post didn't print this. Correlation is not causation no matter what your personal experience is.

That doesn't explain why they were dicks about telling him why they wouldn't publish it, but I suspect there is more than he shared to his asking about it that got him canned.
 
2013-04-10 12:33:28 PM  
No , YOU are the one who sucks BLOGS!!!!
 
2013-04-10 12:34:58 PM  
Seems to me that the nerdy boys who are ostracized by the jocks and cool kids are bonding over the multiplayer online shooter games. That's a community, is what that is, and the antithesis of the stereotypical "loner." These people get to know each other, sometimes in real life as the article's example of the boys at school, and sometimes it's remote since the players may live hundreds of miles apart. But just the same it is relationships. Hmm. Seems more complex than Blogster suggests.

Did the Huff rebuff him because he didn't press the Gun Control agenda?
 
2013-04-10 12:38:45 PM  

zepher: Let me get this straight.
Thousands and thousands of people play violent video games and every mass shooter in the last 20 years also played violent video games.
But that correlation should have zero impact on any government action or laws regarding violent video games.
Millions and millions of people own guns and every mass shooter, by definition, has used a gun to kill people.
But that correlation means the government MUST ban all scary looking weapons and severely restrict a citizen's ability to purchase or own a firearm.

Got it.


Who exactly are you claiming said both of these things?  Please be specific.
 
2013-04-10 12:44:17 PM  
I have dyslexia, so all these school shooting make me want to play video games.

\how long before a game company comes out with a "School Shooter" FPS?
\\prolly already been done
 
2013-04-10 12:44:26 PM  

zepher: Let me get this straight.
Thousands and thousands of people play violent video games and every mass shooter in the last 20 years also played violent video games.
But that correlation should have zero impact on any government action or laws regarding violent video games.
Millions and millions of people own guns and every mass shooter, by definition, has used a gun to kill people.
But that correlation means the government MUST ban all scary looking weapons and severely restrict a citizen's ability to purchase or own a firearm.

Got it.


They can't take a DVD of Call of Duty and mow down 20 of their classmates.

I realize where you're coming from, but one item is an actual weapon designed to kill lots of people at once, and one is not.
 
2013-04-10 12:52:46 PM  
i280.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-10 12:56:37 PM  
Your blog is bilge water
 
2013-04-10 01:00:38 PM  
He insinuates that Video Games are training for violence... sorry, but in real life, you don't go from standing to top speed on your first step, and real life doesn't have a heads-up reticle and a radar to tell you were all the "bad" people are... Nor does real life stick you in a meat grinder tunnel and throw 10,000 bad guys with poor aim at the end of said tunnel...

Real life has innocent high schoolers who panic and flee at the first sign of a gun, and when you are on said rampage, they are screaming in terror and crying, calling for their moms and dads and praying to whatever god they believe in to save them... Real life is seeing moms cradle the bodies of their children, and realizing that the future of that child was ripped away in an instant. It takes a special kind of sociopath to not be affected by that... not even soldiers can shrug that sh-t off... video games aren't like real life because real life is truly horrific...

So STFU about video games, they are pure fantasy, no matter how "realistic" the combat is, it isn't close to real life...
 
2013-04-10 01:01:06 PM  
Perhaps the key interaction between mass shooters and video games is more inline with the training aspect mentioned.

So no, playing FPS and other violent games doesn't 'make' anyone a mass shooter.

BUT. I never hear of IDPA competitors being mass shooters, or combat vets. Usually combat vets that snap take themselves out or their spouse... when they have the *actual* training to commit mass murder effectively, efficiently.

So where does a young loner practice tactical shooting, shooting from cover, shooting at crowds in more than a 'pray and spray' manner, rapid mag changes, and get desensitized to the blood and gore of actual shooting?
 
2013-04-10 01:03:02 PM  
By all accounts there should be a lobby against MLP video games, too. No?

/bronies for obama '12
 
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