ARedthorn: A lot of people here seem to be wondering how there was 'insufficient evidence...'

I can answer that question pretty easily, actually.

Let's assume for a second that there was a rape- it did happen, no consent.
That's easy enough- not just underage, but drunk... the entirety of the western world has laws preventing someone from being held to a contract signed while visibly intoxicated or under duress precisely because they're incapable of consenting... I see that as precedent for the same limitations on consent here.
If I sign a contract drunk, I can later get out of the contract by saying I didn't understand what was going on. If the photos (and any personal account or witness statement) confirm she was as far gone as I'd suspect here... even if she gave something that got taken as consent... she has a legal right to retract that consent once sober, in theory. [Word of warning to guys here- if she's buzzed, you're probably ok... wasted... even a yes is shaky, so just... don't.]

If the photo didn't include the boy's face, we very quickly have a problem.
She was drunk- she may not be able to identify the boys accurately (or accurately enough).
Even if the photo has identifying features (distinguishing birthmark or summat), they'd at least need a specific accusation against the correct individual to compel him to show it for comparison.
If it doesn't... well. We have a problem because we have a victim, but no way to identify the suspect beyond the hazy memories of a drunken, traumatic event.

As for the photo(s?)... they went viral- at a certain point, well before viral, it becomes impossible to trace them back to a source.
And bloody difficult to charge everyone who ever shared it with a count of child pornography, simply because there aren't enough handcuffs to go around.

Evidence may abound, but it's also all useless evidence unless a suspect comes forward and confesses, or someone close to the event is able to identify him/them.

Police have to let crimes they KNOW happened slide all the time because they are literally unable to pursue them... they lack a victim willing to prosecute, or legally usable evidence, or even a good suspect... or once in a while, they have all of the above, but lack the resources to do anything about it.

How dare you let logic and facts interfere with a good lynch mob

Abacus9: 100 Watt Walrus: Look, there's a lot of this going on in this thread. You have no clue what the police did or did not do. It's possible they dropped the ball. It's also possible that there wasn't enough evidence to arrest anyone.

The pictures should be evidence enough because: She's underage, and drunk. Two different ways she can't legally consent. Plus, distributing the photos is also a crime.


Age of consent can be somewhat flexible based on the age of the other party. In Canada, it is 16, but minors aged 14-15 may consent to sex with someone less that five years older than they are; minors aged 12-13 can consent to sex with a partner less than two years older.

The distribution, on the other hand, depending upon what was actually shown in the pictures (which none of us have seen) may meet the criteria for a felony.

ARedthorn: As for the photo(s?)... they went viral- at a certain point, well before viral, it becomes impossible to trace them back to a source.

Every time you take a picture with your cell phone, the phone encodes hidden data in the image file to identify who took the picture and where via gps coordinates.

No tinfoil hat required... true story.

jxc: Photos with tongue ring, tattoos, bongs and booze = sweet innocent teenage girl
One photo no one has seen = horrible teenage boys who must be put down in the most horrible way
Strange days....

I know quite a few women with tats who are very sweet.

I know some with tats who are not so sweet that could probably easily beat the shiat out of a farker like you who thinks he's the ultimate judge of girls with tats.
Just sayin'.

Threads like this make me wonder if all the sex comedies from the 90s, where alcohol is jokingly declared to be the most important part of the human mating ritual, will one day evoke as much revulsion and horror in polite society as 1920s racial humor does.

/it was a different time
//a time when any guy could get laid, if he could get his date drunk enough

hasty ambush: phenn: Lsherm: [img42.imageshack.us image 620x348]

Still can't look at that picture without tearing up.

Neither can I, it appears.

Jesus Christ, we really have failed this generation of kids. Not sure what specific thing came unglued. Perhaps it's a laundry list of things.

Horribly sad.

I don't think stuff like this is really more common.  We just have more kids (look at the population size) with more means to broadcast/share their depression, teen angst, etc. and those same means make it more widey reported when they opt out.

Bullying is not anything new, most older folks remember it back in the day.

Indeed.  The only real failure is for older generations to understand that the internet is like high school x 1million for angsty kids.  They have a larger platform to vent their teen woes on, but at the same time there is a larger group of people that point and laugh at least just as harsh as other teens.

Maybe you shouldn't post half-naked pictures of your teen body on Reddit.  Maybe you shouldn't send your boyfriend nude pictures from your phone(that also has no password protection).  Maybe that will come back to bite you.

We also fail on teaching our kids how to deal with shiat with the snowflake crap, which, of course, makes the effects of bullying worse.

Mid_mo_mad_man: I wouldn't be surpised if thats the truth. Parents were most likely clueless to how she lived. They let her ink up and dress like a slut and bad things happened. Boo hoo

Wow, you're the very definition of blame the victim.

miscreant: Mid_mo_mad_man: I wouldn't be surpised if thats the truth. Parents were most likely clueless to how she lived. They let her ink up and dress like a slut and bad things happened. Boo hoo

Wow, you're the very definition of blame the victim.

argh, DON'T!  The ignoring of the troll was going splendidly...  now you've given him hope.

Gyrfalcon: Lorelle: Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, you don't convict someone of rape based on the word of one person and a photo or two.

When you're so drunk that you're throwing up, it's clear that you are NOT in any condition to give consent to having sex, or to make any rational decision, for that matter.

If you're underage, you cannot consent. If you're underage, you cannot consent. Oh, and if you're underage, you cannot consent. But in case there was any question, there are other laws that say if you're underage, you cannot consent.

And in re this: Why are 4men who raped a 15 yr old + distributed photographic evidence of their crime walking free today?

Why are her classmates who gang-raped her again by slut-shaming her also walking around free today? I hope every single one of them feels like the rotten turd on a snake's belly that they are right now.

It's instinctive behavior that derives from when we were arboreal primates with a tribal social structure.  Adolescent primates need to establish their place in the social hierarchy in order to ensure access to food/water and mates.  Lowering the status of others is one way of elevating one's own relative status.  Biologically speaking, teenagers are supposed to be bullying each other.  Of course, because we are rational beings we recognize that it's wrong.  But that realization doesn't usually come until well after we are through our teenage years.  So even though you can talk to a teenager about why bullying is wrong and we ought to do something about it, they will cheerfully agree with you and then turn around and go slut-shame some girl for getting raped by the varsity lacrosse team.  They simply can't recognize that their behavior is wrong because of the irresistible instinct to lower the status of their social rivals.  That's why you hear things like "she deserved it" and "she should have known what she was getting into."  Those are attempts to deflect the rational realization that what they instinctively desire to do is wrong.

Study just about any species of primate that has a tribal social structure.  Watch how the adolescents behave.  Then apply that to what you see in any high school in America.  Until educators understand the evolutionary and biological imperative to bully, they'll never be able to "solve" the bullying problem.

give me doughnuts: Age of consent can be somewhat flexible based on the age of the other party. In Canada, it is 16, but minors aged 14-15 may consent to sex with someone less that five years older than they are; minors aged 12-13 can consent to sex with a partner less than two years older.

Her age likely wouldn't matter in this instance anyway. It sounds like she was too drunk to consent.

miscreant: Mid_mo_mad_man: I wouldn't be surpised if thats the truth. Parents were most likely clueless to how she lived. They let her ink up and dress like a slut and bad things happened. Boo hoo

Wow, you're the very definition of blame the victim.

He's showing little compassion, but contributory negligence is a real thing.  If you had actuaries make risk assessments on your everyday life, you can be sure the things you do to your body and the way you dress would affect those assessments

orbister: SpiderQueenDemon: That, and being the IT consultant, I have the moral obligation to report anyone who uploads or shares sexual pictures of a minor as a purveyor or creator of child pornography.

What benefits do you see in legal action against 15 year old girls who send naked pictures of themselves to their boyfriends?


Well, if I 'm on the jury, then I'll get to look at the pics. There's your "benefit" right there.

miscreant: Mid_mo_mad_man: I wouldn't be surpised if thats the truth. Parents were most likely clueless to how she lived. They let her ink up and dress like a slut and bad things happened. Boo hoo

Wow, you're the very definition of blame the victim.

First I highly doubt she was a victim. Some guys probaly pulled a train on her and she regretted later. That said ladies need to be more proactive in protecting themselves. Don't get drunk and expect everyone to behave like gentlemen.

Mid_mo_mad_man: miscreant: Mid_mo_mad_man: I wouldn't be surpised if thats the truth. Parents were most likely clueless to how she lived. They let her ink up and dress like a slut and bad things happened. Boo hoo

Wow, you're the very definition of blame the victim.

First I highly doubt she was a victim. Some guys probaly pulled a train on her and she regretted later. That said ladies need to be more proactive in protecting themselves. Don't get drunk and expect everyone to behave like gentlemen.

Thank you so much for that deeply insightful comment.

Hope you have daughters some day.  Lots and lots of daughters.

Marcus Aurelius: Thank you so much for that deeply insightful comment.

Hope you have daughters some day. Lots and lots of daughters.

As was pointed out to me above, he's a troll, best to ignore him.

cajunns: It's beyond the time when vigilantism should make a appearance...maybe 4 corpses hanging from trees would make rapists and bullies have second thoughts

If criminals had long term planning skills, they wouldn't be criminals in the first place.

I am confused.  WTF is rape culture?  I am pretty sure its a thing that only exists in the dark recesses of a fetish niche...    Why are people blaming a "rape culture" for this shiat?  There is no such thing as a widespread "rape culture" in this country, or anywhere in the western world for that matter.  We don't blame a "murder culture" for murder because that's farking stupid.  This rape culture bullshiat is equally as stupid here.  In india or the middle east this is actually a thing, but don't try to tag my people with this crap.

/end rant

miscreant: Marcus Aurelius: Thank you so much for that deeply insightful comment.

Hope you have daughters some day. Lots and lots of daughters.

As was pointed out to me above, he's a troll, best to ignore him.

Sorry.  There's so many around here I can't keep track of them.  I'll be sure to color him in appropriately.

Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: doglover: Bucky Katt: Why are the rapists not in jail?

Due process, most likely. I bet those photos weren't as slam dunk as we'd like to think. Terrible story.

A photo is an instant in time, so even if it showed her having sex with someone, it's possible there wasn't any way to deduce consent or not from it.  Since it sounds like the attackers were also underage, that further complicates matters.

Terrible story all around, and at the very least I hope it gets spread around so other girls get some help before it comes to this.  Being a teenager was bad enough in the early 80's, I can't imagine my worst moments being played out on social media.  It's awful to think about.

Generally speaking, if you're underage you cannot consent, because if you're underage, you cannot consent. And even if the other party is underage, neither of you can consent, so it's not that complicated, as there was no consent. Because since both of them were underage, there was no consent. Primarily because they could not consent.

I'm not sure why everyone is having so much trouble with this concept.

Age of consent doesn't work that way in Canada.

StreetlightInTheGhetto: oh stfu.

straight-A student whose favourite subject was science.

And that proves....what exactly?  Did you happen to see the pics she posted of bongs, her drinking and showing off all the tattoos?  Perhaps you think speculation on situations like this only applies to poor students who, dare I say it, are minorities.  But you just go ahead and believe everything you hear.  I'm not saying she wasn't raped, I'm just speculating on other scenarios based on what I see because you see, none of us know what happened.

precious_crotchflake: you and Popcorn Johnny should really hook up. Each of you is about as good as the other's going to get.

Again, just go on and believe everything you read without question.  It's people not willing to question anything that scares me most.  You may think I'm all messed up and that's cool.  Meanwhile I'll make sure to pay attention to what my kids are doing and making damn sure that my 15 year old daughter isn't sporting tattoos and disappearing all night to get drunk with her friends.

Excuse me while I go take care of my kids now.  Forum fun time is over, time to be a dad.  What are you doing?

It's been a few years since I read it, but didn't "The Godfather" start like that? A man's daughter is raped, the rapists walk due to the crappy legal system and the aggrieved father (an old world fellow who had an old world sense of honor) appealed to Don Corleone for justice.

The rapists didn't make it.

/I love a happy book.

Marcus Aurelius: miscreant: Marcus Aurelius: Thank you so much for that deeply insightful comment.

Hope you have daughters some day. Lots and lots of daughters.

As was pointed out to me above, he's a troll, best to ignore him.

Sorry.  There's so many around here I can't keep track of them.  I'll be sure to color him in appropriately.

Instead of allowing a variety of opinions lets just label everyone a troll.
That being said ladies have to take care of themselves because no one else will.

Poor girl.  I hope she finds some peace.

She rides the cock carousel like a champ, goes full attention-whore, gets tatted up, drinks like a sailor and dresses like a cheap prostitute.

Then she wonders why no one wants her except for use as a fark-hole.

That's a shame. She was a cute kid. It's always the pretty ones...

Welp, ready the gallows and round up a posse.



/Eye for an eye

Alonjar: Every time you take a picture with your cell phone, the phone encodes hidden data in the image file to identify who took the picture and where via gps coordinates.

The EXIF data on my phone says when the picture was taken (well, when the camera thought it was taken, which is not necessarily the same thing) and what type of device was used to take it. It doesn't say where, perhaps because I have location information set off, and it doesn't say on what particular device it was taken. So there is no way, as far as I can see, of linking a particular picture to my phone and therefore to me.

luxup: StreetlightInTheGhetto: oh stfu.

straight-A student whose favourite subject was science.

And that proves....what exactly?  Did you happen to see the pics she posted of bongs, her drinking and showing off all the tattoos?  Perhaps you think speculation on situations like this only applies to poor students who, dare I say it, are minorities.  But you just go ahead and believe everything you hear.  I'm not saying she wasn't raped, I'm just speculating on other scenarios based on what I see because you see, none of us know what happened.

precious_crotchflake: you and Popcorn Johnny should really hook up. Each of you is about as good as the other's going to get.

Again, just go on and believe everything you read without question.  It's people not willing to question anything that scares me most.  You may think I'm all messed up and that's cool.  Meanwhile I'll make sure to pay attention to what my kids are doing and making damn sure that my 15 year old daughter isn't sporting tattoos and disappearing all night to get drunk with her friends.

Excuse me while I go take care of my kids now.  Forum fun time is over, time to be a dad.  What are you doing?

the only thing sadder than a bad troll is a bad troll that tries SO hard.

Tatterdemalian: Threads like this make me wonder if all the sex comedies from the 90s, where alcohol is jokingly declared to be the most important part of the human mating ritual, will one day evoke as much revulsion and horror in polite society as 1920s racial humor does.

/it was a different time
//a time when any guy could get laid, if he could get his date drunk enough

Hardly confined to poor naive women being plied with alcohol by men. The literature is full of men waking up next to women with whom they would not have slept if they were sober. There's even a slang phrase for it in the UK: a Romford Rotweiler is an Essex  woman so ugly that you would rather chew your own arm off and make your escape than wake her up by pulling it out from under her in the morning.

give me doughnuts: Well, if I 'm on the jury, then I'll get to look at the pics. There's your "benefit" right there.

I do have a certain curiosity about someone who boasts that he spends a lot of his professional time looking for naked and sexually explicit pictures of children on servers. But hey, he's doing it to report them to the police, so that's OK.

Phinn: She rides the cock carousel like a champ, goes full attention-whore, gets tatted up, drinks like a sailor and dresses like a cheap prostitute.

Then she wonders why no one wants her except for use as a fark-hole.

Even though you're clearly a straight bullshiat troll, everything we say and do has consequences.

You'll end up paying for that cruel comment.  When something bad happens to you I hope you think back on just how awful what you said was and remember you had it coming.

/good luck

The legal system need not even become involved here.
Anon. will out them and then someone with a pair will take care of the boys.

Maul555: I am confused.  WTF is rape culture?

It is a phrase which on fark is generally used by those whose objection to rape is not that other people have been raped but that they themselves might be. It's a way of grabbing attention from the real victims - those who have actually had the horrible experience of rape - and claiming victim status as someone who might be at risk from rape.

There are only a few posters who trot it out and since they never seem to appear in the same thread I have my suspicions that there are rather fewer real people than logins involved.

Maul555: I am confused.  WTF is rape culture?  I am pretty sure its a thing that only exists in the dark recesses of a fetish niche...    Why are people blaming a "rape culture" for this shiat?  There is no such thing as a widespread "rape culture" in this country, or anywhere in the western world for that matter.  We don't blame a "murder culture" for murder because that's farking stupid.  This rape culture bullshiat is equally as stupid here.  In india or the middle east this is actually a thing, but don't try to tag my people with this crap.

/end rant

Correct, there isn't a rape culture here.

However, there has always been that small clique of teen boys that do everything together including getting into trouble.  On rare occasion you hear of one that graduates from petty vandalism and minor misdemeanors to felony level stuff.  In my own community, a very good friend of my sister who was 10 or 11 that was molested pretty badly by such a group, long before there was a World Wide Web and cheap digital photography and easy file sharing (there was Polaroid cameras of course but thankfully I don't believe they had one).

Those that "graduate" to felonies like that usually end up in juvie hall and most spend most of their life in and out of prison.

Oh and...looking at the photos in the links of that girl in Canada, I can tell you she was heading for serious trouble and the parents should have reigned her in long before she ended up in a bad situation.  Too late.  That in no way absolves the scum that took advantage of her, but some times the best way not to get mugged is to stop going in bad neighborhoods.

vygramul: One of her pics:

Which one did she go with? Oh, right.

ZoSo_the_Crowe: FTA: "Rape culture"

Hoo boy there's a great trolling buzzword.

http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporte r- if/

What a bunch of small, liberal arts college, Womyn's Studies Program bullshiat that was...

orbister: Maul555: I am confused.  WTF is rape culture?

It is a phrase which on fark is generally used by those whose objection to rape is not that other people have been raped but that they themselves might be. It's a way of grabbing attention from the real victims - those who have actually had the horrible experience of rape - and claiming victim status as someone who might be at risk from rape.

There are only a few posters who trot it out and since they never seem to appear in the same thread I have my suspicions that there are rather fewer real people than logins involved.

never mind orbister, Maul.  He's  a bitter dude who CAN'T STAND that women get attention on an issue where men generally don't. You know, the kind that almost pees his pants while he cuts-and-pastes from his saved files of all the MRA male rape stats whenever we're talking about a girl or woman who was raped.

I have him fark labeled as such and I imagine there is a fair number of other Farkers who do as well.

precious_crotchflake: the only thing sadder than a bad troll is a bad troll that tries SO hard.

All I did was point out the obvious which doesn't really require any effort.  Riddle me this Batman:  If I am the troll, why is it that you don't have any thoughts of your own and only seem to reply to what other people post?