gonzoduke: Wait, that was a different article on the same story.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/nova-scotia-teen-kills- he rself-after-being-raped-bullied-online/article10940600/

"just days after the alleged rape. "

Can we STOP CALLING IT ALLEGED?
It was not an alleged rape. it was a RAPE.
She reported that she was raped to the police.
Period.

The people who raped her would best be called unconvicted rapists.
By calling it alleged, we continue to blame the victim.

PTSD is an insane and insidious disease.  I wonder when we will ever start to fix these problems.

Lorelle: Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, you don't convict someone of rape based on the word of one person and a photo or two.

When you're so drunk that you're throwing up, it's clear that you are NOT in any condition to give consent to having sex, or to make any rational decision, for that matter.

He shows up in these types of threads and defends the rapists. Classic troll. Please do not feed him, especially after midnight.

vygramul: The incidence of parental rejection is high with bullies.

Now is not the time for facts!

Clearly loud noises and instinctive reactions without evidence or forethought is the only course of action!

vygramul: The incidence of parental rejection is high with bullies.

this shiat just never ends.
bad parents, leading to terrible children, who will be awful parents
abused kids, having kids and then abusing them

shudder

A few years ago, a number of us were talking down from stomping on a rapist or two.
Maybe it is time to stop getting talked down.
At what point do we need vigilantes again because society has completely failed to do anything about this problem.

video recorder + water-boarding + proper, non-leading questioning?
if you caught one of these kids and water-boarded them and just asked them to name the girls that they posted nude photos or took nude photos or got drunk and farked, would you be able to "know" that they were the ones?

hell, just putting their "confession" online would be a start
sigh

maybe if the cops would stop wasting so much time on arresting people for drugs and actually worked rape cases.
sigh

/I hate this world, can I get off?

SundaesChild: Lorelle: Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, you don't convict someone of rape based on the word of one person and a photo or two.

When you're so drunk that you're throwing up, it's clear that you are NOT in any condition to give consent to having sex, or to make any rational decision, for that matter.

He shows up in these types of threads and defends the rapists. Classic troll. Please do not feed him, especially after midnight.

thank you - yet another rapist for the ignore list ..so nice to clear fark of people like that

[thisthreadi *punches self*

namatad: maybe if the cops would stop wasting so much time on arresting people for drugs and actually worked rape cases.

Right? Ending the war on drugs would create a utopia because aside from drug charges we've only got a few thousand crimes left. You can have multiple detectives on each report because there'd be nothing else for them to do. Investigations would take a week, not a year.

You know what?  I was having a pretty good morning until I saw this headline.

Stupid world.  I hate people.

Was she "raped", or was it more like "raped" rape?

Lorelle: doglover: Teenage girls are the least compassionate creatures on the planet. Even honey badger steers clear. Teenage boys are right behind them. I think it's some kind of mixture of ignorance and hormones.

Some are. I was bullied a lot in junior high and high school, mostly by other girls. In jr. high it was female gang members, in h.s. it was stuck-up, biatchy female socs.

/eventually got revenge on the latter
//enjoyed it immensely

I hope you and Dally and the rest got them good,

Stay gold Ponyboy Stay Gold

/Sorry it had to be done.

This fills me with incredible rage as well as deep sadness for her and her mother.

Why are the rapists not in jail?

Bucky Katt: Why are therapists not in jail?

they're trying to help

As an aside, her first name is "Heather" backwards.  It wasn't until I typed it out that I realized it wasn't "heat her".  Parents are weird.

Bucky Katt: Why are the rapists not in jail?

Due process, most likely. I bet those photos weren't as slam dunk as we'd like to think. Terrible story.

OtherLittleGuy: Nova Scotia? Really? When the fark did you go all Texas/Pennsyltucky?

/I would have expected the Praries

People in the Prairies are really nice, far nicer than Vancouver or Toronto.

/Unless they're driving
//Lookout.

Great, another rape thread...

Nezorf: Great, another ape thread...

got something against apes?

sorry. backspace key has been on the fritz

doglover: Bucky Katt: Why are the rapists not in jail?

Due process, most likely. I bet those photos weren't as slam dunk as we'd like to think. Terrible story.

A photo is an instant in time, so even if it showed her having sex with someone, it's possible there wasn't any way to deduce consent or not from it.  Since it sounds like the attackers were also underage, that further complicates matters.

Terrible story all around, and at the very least I hope it gets spread around so other girls get some help before it comes to this.  Being a teenager was bad enough in the early 80's, I can't imagine my worst moments being played out on social media.  It's awful to think about.

Lorelle: It REALLY makes me sick knowing that other females also attacked her after the fact.

Sadly it's a defense mechanism in a way. "That could never happen to me because I'm not a slut."

Ergo...

This sort of thing is enabled by the perpetuation of the Just-world hypothesis.

gonzoduke: The article states there was one picture of her throwing up and being sexually assaulted. When I was a kid, when a girl was throwing up from drinking too much, we used to hold her hair and get her some water. This generation all kinds of sucks to put it mildly.

I know. No girl ever got penetrated while throwing up before the 2000s. Don't believe me? Find some internet pictures of it happening! The don't exist!

Kids these days...

Dumbarse.

impaler: The don't exist!

They, rather.

judging by the thread I think I'm going to save myself some cringes and not read the article.

Lsherm: doglover: Bucky Katt: Why are the rapists not in jail?

Due process, most likely. I bet those photos weren't as slam dunk as we'd like to think. Terrible story.

A photo is an instant in time, so even if it showed her having sex with someone, it's possible there wasn't any way to deduce consent or not from it.  Since it sounds like the attackers were also underage, that further complicates matters.

Terrible story all around, and at the very least I hope it gets spread around so other girls get some help before it comes to this.  Being a teenager was bad enough in the early 80's, I can't imagine my worst moments being played out on social media.  It's awful to think about.

A: Canda (do they even have laws?)

B: Ain't seen the photo ( Could just be racy, not nude or sexual)

C: Minors ( miners wish they had a quarter of the legal protection)

It's farked up, hope it leads to changed laws, but allegations =! facts

My theory is this girl had a history of mental issues, was thus tolerated not welcomed, got assaulted while drunk because nobody cared(2 photos of drunk not assault), and was shamed into leaving, mental issues lead to suicide in new town.

This is supported by totally healthy people don't usually an hero even when traumatized, friends don't let rapists keep teeth, and even Canadian cops are good enough to arrest you with photos of rape in your phone. All anecdotal, but that's been my experience in life this far.

Anyway they know who they are and soon the internet will as well. I just hope the RCMP gets evidence this time.

globalwarmingpraiser: Lorelle: doglover: Teenage girls are the least compassionate creatures on the planet. Even honey badger steers clear. Teenage boys are right behind them. I think it's some kind of mixture of ignorance and hormones.

Some are. I was bullied a lot in junior high and high school, mostly by other girls. In jr. high it was female gang members, in h.s. it was stuck-up, biatchy female socs.

/eventually got revenge on the latter
//enjoyed it immensely

I hope you and Dally and the rest got them good,

Stay gold Ponyboy Stay Gold

/Sorry it had to be done.

Ya know, I didn't know that the term came from The Outsiders until I read the book in jr. high. Kids referred to other kids  as "socs" when I was still in elementary school.

I just got home from work and on my drive home I listened to an interview with the mother about everything that happened from day one.  I can't even begin to imagine how she feels, or how her daughter felt. Ugh, breaks my heart, especially hearing that only a few of her friends supported her, the rest of them jumped on the slut train.

Lorelle: doglover: Teenage girls are the least compassionate creatures on the planet. Even honey badger steers clear. Teenage boys are right behind them. I think it's some kind of mixture of ignorance and hormones.

Some are. I was bullied a lot in junior high and high school, mostly by other girls. In jr. high it was female gang members, in h.s. it was stuck-up, biatchy female socs.

/eventually got revenge on the latter
//enjoyed it immensely

"Socs?"  Society girls?

Popcorn Johnny: The police conducted an investigation and found no basis for charges. Sounds more like a case of a girl who got wild and crazy with a few boys and ended up regretting it once word got out.

"Insufficient evidence to lay charges" is not "no basis."  The former means the prosecution didn't think it had enough evidence to win.  The latter means they had enough evidence to say, "She lied."

Lorelle: Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, you don't convict someone of rape based on the word of one person and a photo or two.

When you're so drunk that you're throwing up, it's clear that you are NOT in any condition to give consent to having sex, or to make any rational decision, for that matter.

If you're underage, you cannot consent. If you're underage, you cannot consent. Oh, and if you're underage, you cannot consent. But in case there was any question, there are other laws that say if you're underage, you cannot consent.

And in re this: Why are 4men who raped a 15 yr old + distributed photographic evidence of their crime walking free today?

Why are her classmates who gang-raped her again by slut-shaming her also walking around free today? I hope every single one of them feels like the rotten turd on a snake's belly that they are right now.

Popcorn Johnny: There was one photo of her having sex with one boy. Parents claim she was raped, the evidence said otherwise.

Link

"The family said they were told the photographs were not a criminal issue even though Rehtaeh was underage."

Huh.  Wonder how that worked.

msupf: Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, you don't convict someone of rape based on the word of one person and a photo or two.

so, if presented with the picture of a girl obviously inebriated or impaired, possibly displaying pain, being sexually violated, and testimony from that girl that it was not consensual, you'd immediately call bullshiat on her?

Well, I'd have to see the photo before deciding whether she looks impaired or violated.  If she's grinning and flashing a thumbs-up, I might look askance at her testimony.

I'm trying to understand why circulating a pic of a 15 year-old farking is not a criminal matter in Canada.

namatad: gonzoduke: Wait, that was a different article on the same story.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/nova-scotia-teen-kills- he rself-after-being-raped-bullied-online/article10940600/

"just days after the alleged rape. "

Can we STOP CALLING IT ALLEGED?
It was not an alleged rape. it was a RAPE.
She reported that she was raped to the police.
Period.

The people who raped her would best be called unconvicted rapists.
By calling it alleged, we continue to blame the victim.

I find your disrespect for fundamental human rights disturbing.

Gyrfalcon: Lorelle: Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, you don't convict someone of rape based on the word of one person and a photo or two.

When you're so drunk that you're throwing up, it's clear that you are NOT in any condition to give consent to having sex, or to make any rational decision, for that matter.

If you're underage, you cannot consent. If you're underage, you cannot consent. Oh, and if you're underage, you cannot consent. But in case there was any question, there are other laws that say if you're underage, you cannot consent.

And in re this: Why are 4men who raped a 15 yr old + distributed photographic evidence of their crime walking free today?

Why are her classmates who gang-raped her again by slut-shaming her also walking around free today? I hope every single one of them feels like the rotten turd on a snake's belly that they are right now.

I wonder how they'll treat their own daughters.

Lsherm: doglover: Bucky Katt: Why are the rapists not in jail?

Due process, most likely. I bet those photos weren't as slam dunk as we'd like to think. Terrible story.

A photo is an instant in time, so even if it showed her having sex with someone, it's possible there wasn't any way to deduce consent or not from it.  Since it sounds like the attackers were also underage, that further complicates matters.

Terrible story all around, and at the very least I hope it gets spread around so other girls get some help before it comes to this.  Being a teenager was bad enough in the early 80's, I can't imagine my worst moments being played out on social media.  It's awful to think about.

Generally speaking, if you're underage you cannot consent, because if you're underage, you cannot consent. And even if the other party is underage, neither of you can consent, so it's not that complicated, as there was no consent. Because since both of them were underage, there was no consent. Primarily because they could not consent.

I'm not sure why everyone is having so much trouble with this concept.

namatad: SundaesChild: Lorelle: Popcorn Johnny: Sorry, you don't convict someone of rape based on the word of one person and a photo or two.

When you're so drunk that you're throwing up, it's clear that you are NOT in any condition to give consent to having sex, or to make any rational decision, for that matter.

He shows up in these types of threads and defends the rapists. Classic troll. Please do not feed him, especially after midnight.

thank you - yet another rapist for the ignore list ..so nice to clear fark of people like that

It's the "ignore" button, not the "ban" button.

Are you in counseling?  You don't seem well grounded.

Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: doglover: Bucky Katt: Why are the rapists not in jail?

Due process, most likely. I bet those photos weren't as slam dunk as we'd like to think. Terrible story.

A photo is an instant in time, so even if it showed her having sex with someone, it's possible there wasn't any way to deduce consent or not from it.  Since it sounds like the attackers were also underage, that further complicates matters.

Terrible story all around, and at the very least I hope it gets spread around so other girls get some help before it comes to this.  Being a teenager was bad enough in the early 80's, I can't imagine my worst moments being played out on social media.  It's awful to think about.

Generally speaking, if you're underage you cannot consent, because if you're underage, you cannot consent. And even if the other party is underage, neither of you can consent, so it's not that complicated, as there was no consent. Because since both of them were underage, there was no consent. Primarily because they could not consent.

I'm not sure why everyone is having so much trouble with this concept.

Because everyone knows it's an arbitrary legal convention that sometimes conflicts with reality?  Even you start off with "generally."

Almost Everybody Poops: miss diminutive: "An investigation into an earlier sexual assault was completed, and in consultation with the Crown, there was insufficient evidence to lay charges," MacRae said.

So there's apparently picture evidence of the crime being distributed by the offenders and the Crown doesn't have enough evidence to charge them?

Also, maybe I'm already out of touch with today's youth, but who bullies a girl who's been a victim of rape? Seriously? I know I did some pretty hurtful things in my biatchy teenage days, but something like this would have never crossed my mind. I honestly don't understand.

Anyway, my heart breaks for this girl.

Seriously, this.

It appears to be a lack of empathy and stigma on part of law enforcement.  But this shiat should not stand.

I wish a thousand butt-hole surfers to penetrate the rapists asses while covered in knives and arugula.

WTF did LE do wrong?  Do you seriously expect them to waterboard confessions out of four boys just because a girl accused them?  WTF is wrong with you people?

BarkingUnicorn: WTF did LE do wrong? Do you seriously expect them to waterboard confessions out of four boys just because a girl accused them? WTF is wrong with you people?

I'd be happy with feather-tickle confessions.

/seriously, 2 minutes of tickling and I'd admit to being the unabomber