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2013-04-10 07:21:24 AM  

randomjsa: You certainly can't blame Obama for insisting come hell or high water on a tax increase at the start of the year


Why are you opposed to paying the bills the GOP congress has racked up?
 
2013-04-10 07:22:34 AM  

Bucky Katt: BunkyBrewman: NewportBarGuy: Tax and spend seems to have worked and we've never incurred as much debt as with tax CUT policies. Why don't we go back to what worked before?

Spend on credit seems to have worked as well, hasn't it?

Please enlighten us... WHAT exactly worked before?

austerity has a brilliant track record, then?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression_of_1920%E2%80%9321

"... President Harding's  economic policies during the 1920-21 recession, combined with a coordinated aggressive policy of rapid government downsizing, had a direct influence (mostly through intentional non-influence) on the rapid and widespread private-sector recovery."
 
2013-04-10 07:22:53 AM  
Clearly we need to get rid of unions, pensions, minimum wage laws, OSHA and DEP, *then* those skittish corporations will finally feel safe.
 
2013-04-10 07:24:08 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Clearly we need to get rid of unions, pensions, minimum wage laws, OSHA and DEP, *then* those skittish corporations will finally feel safe.


Sorry, EPA, not DEP. DEP is Pennsylvania only. But get rid of them, too, just to be safe. The gas drillers will just police themselves like those noted environmentalists that ran the coal industry 100 years ago did.
 
2013-04-10 07:30:27 AM  

GameSprocket: Also, the companies can make you work the equivalent of three positions and when you complain they can point to the open position req and tell you that it is only "temporary". As long as they can keep it going, they get the same work done for much less money.


Also, every time someone leaves, they distribute out those positions to everyone else's jobs without corresponding pay increases.  The other option is that they try to rehire someone, but expect someone fully qualified for all those jobs.  Then when they find out no such person exists, they complain that they're trying so hard to hire someone, but there are no qualified applicants.  This, even when the person who just left would be considered far less qualified for their old position than many of the new applicants.
 
2013-04-10 07:32:04 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Why are you opposed to paying the bills the GOP congress has racked up?


Because paying your credit card bill is Socialist, or something...
 
2013-04-10 07:32:36 AM  

BigBooper: Well small business in farked. Why? Because large corporations are crushing the small businesses that they can't buy. They use the legal system, they use government, they use competitive practices, both legal and illegal, that the small guy can't compete with.


It's annoying to hear corporate apologists complain about over-regulation when quite a bit of the regulation we have was designed by the big guys to make it too expensive for the smaller players in the market to be able to compete. I use to do consulting work at the headquarters of a Fortune 10 company. Every day they'd send out multiple emails to employees telling them to contact government officials to support or oppose different regulation proposals based on what would best serve the company's goals.

It was laughable when they'd use the excuse of "too much government intrusion" in emails encouraging opposition to regulation when an hour before they'd sent out an email promoting the benefits of some other bit of regulation. But with several hundred thousand employees, even if only a small percentage of them contacted legislators, it was enough to scare the law maker into voting the company's way. All of this without even bothering to donate a penny to a campaign or provide an under the table bribe.
 
2013-04-10 07:33:06 AM  

NewportBarGuy: and we've never incurred as much debt as with tax CUT policies


Can you explain how a tax cut - which involves money never entering the treasury in the first place is responsible for debt (which involves money leaving the treasury)?

jso2897: I agree - Obama is way too conservative. This country needs a real progressive, like FDR


Obama's policies are almost identical to FDR.  To suggest he's a conservative means you should probably ask for your money back from whatever institution provided you with an education.
 
2013-04-10 07:38:30 AM  
"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint.  When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."  - Helder Camara
 
2013-04-10 07:41:11 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Why would I hire more workers at a time when Taxbongo has already collected two of the relics and only needs the Ivory Jackal to achieve global domination?


If you were a chocolate bunny I would eat your ears
 
2013-04-10 07:42:06 AM  
Here's an idea, why don't perspective hires offer money to the business he/she want to work for? Lets say I offer this business $30,000 for the first year to get hired. I would be willing to take that route. Also why wouldn't a business turn down free money?
 
2013-04-10 07:42:23 AM  

o5iiawah: NewportBarGuy: and we've never incurred as much debt as with tax CUT policies

Can you explain how a tax cut - which involves money never entering the treasury in the first place is responsible for debt (which involves money leaving the treasury)?

jso2897: I agree - Obama is way too conservative. This country needs a real progressive, like FDR

Obama's policies are almost identical to FDR.  To suggest he's a conservative means you should probably ask for your money back from whatever institution provided you with an education.


On the other hand suggesting he is a socialist means you should do the same.
 
2013-04-10 07:43:17 AM  

DrPainMD: Bucky Katt: BunkyBrewman: NewportBarGuy: Tax and spend seems to have worked and we've never incurred as much debt as with tax CUT policies. Why don't we go back to what worked before?

Spend on credit seems to have worked as well, hasn't it?

Please enlighten us... WHAT exactly worked before?

austerity has a brilliant track record, then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression_of_1920%E2%80%9321

"... President Harding's  economic policies during the 1920-21 recession, combined with a coordinated aggressive policy of rapid government downsizing, had a direct influence (mostly through intentional non-influence) on the rapid and widespread private-sector recovery."


If this means that President Harding actually did something correctly while in office, it is the first time I've ever heard of such a thing.

It should also be pointed out that, as shown in the article, the correction of the economy was not achieved by austerity alone. From the wiki page:

President Warren Harding convened a President's Conference on Unemployment at the instigation of then Commerce Secretary Herbert Hoover as a result of rising unemployment during the recession. About 300 eminent members of industry, banking and labor were called together in September 1921 to discuss the problem of unemployment. Hoover organized the economic conference and a committee on unemployment. The committee established a branch in every state having substantial unemployment, along with sub-branches in local communities and mayors' emergency committees in 31 cities. The committee contributed relief to the unemployed, and also organized collaboration between the local and federal governments. President Warren G. Harding signed the Emergency Tariff of 1921 and the Fordney-McCumber Tariff.
 
2013-04-10 07:48:40 AM  
no hurry? they need more time to figure out how they can pay as little as possible, offer no benefits whatsoever, and all this while increasing their bottom line. because no matter how fat the profit is, it is never enough. never ever.
 
2013-04-10 07:49:52 AM  
Which means the economy is well primed to respond to a payroll tax cut.
 
2013-04-10 07:57:17 AM  
media.boingboing.net
 
2013-04-10 07:57:28 AM  

o5iiawah: Can you explain how a tax cut - which involves money never entering the treasury in the first place is responsible for debt (which involves money leaving the treasury)?


Seriously?

If you are spending too much money and your income is cut, your debt goes up.  It's basic math.

Or, in the case of the past decade, we slashed our country's income to some of the lowest levels (percentage-wise) in decades, and then fought two wars and introduced a massive piece of legislation (Medicare D) on the country's credit card without bothering to raise taxes back up to pay for those things.

Clearly it's all 0blahma's fault.
 
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2013-04-10 08:03:33 AM  

Old enough to know better: Well of course they're keeping the labor market tight. Business owners are probably scared shiatless of what employee's are likely to do to them should workers ever gain the upper hand again in this economy.

Payback is a biatch.


Employees can already have the upper hand if they want it. Save your money, stop spending so much. Once you have at least 6 months living expenses in the bank, I promise that something will change in you and your employer will recognize it.
 
2013-04-10 08:04:01 AM  

Therion: Isn't it wonderful that fear will make full-time engineer-level employees accept part-time technician pay and be glad to work fifty hours a week with no benefits?


1/10
 
2013-04-10 08:04:40 AM  

o5iiawah: Obama's policies are almost identical to FDR


FDR was fairly fiscally conservative (no, really, he never intended most of his policies to be anything except a short-term measure, and his actions in 1936 underscore this). Obama is far more conservative than him. Obamacare? Forces people to buy from private corporations. Now that's something I would have expected out of a Republican.
 
2013-04-10 08:06:48 AM  

Dog Welder: o5iiawah: Can you explain how a tax cut - which involves money never entering the treasury in the first place is responsible for debt (which involves money leaving the treasury)?

Seriously?

If you are spending too much money and your income is cut, your debt goes up.  It's basic math.

Or, in the case of the past decade, we slashed our country's income to some of the lowest levels (percentage-wise) in decades, and then fought two wars and introduced a massive piece of legislation (Medicare D) on the country's credit card without bothering to raise taxes back up to pay for those things.

Clearly it's all 0blahma's fault.


I know, it's weird. Almost like they're pathologically prohibited from acknowledging that the previous administration turned the economy into a steaming pile of dogshiat, and then proceeded to scream and stamp their feet at any attempt by the current administration to clean up that mess....
 
2013-04-10 08:08:18 AM  
Clearly, there aren't enough tech workers in America.

There are job openings, there's high unemployment, but we need more h1b visas ?????
 
2013-04-10 08:08:22 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Clearly we need to get rid of unions, pensions, minimum wage laws, OSHA and DEP, *then* those skittish corporations will finally feel safe.


Of all the things that I think the big corporations need to see would be a solid strike that disrupts the country to its very core.
 
2013-04-10 08:08:53 AM  

EngineerAU: Old enough to know better: Well of course they're keeping the labor market tight. Business owners are probably scared shiatless of what employee's are likely to do to them should workers ever gain the upper hand again in this economy.

Payback is a biatch.

Everybody is waiting for the other guy to make the first move. Employees have been overworked for the better part of a decade and they're getting worn out. What's going to happen is a few companies are going to decide that it's a good time to get a permanent increase in market share at the expense of their frightened competitors. To do that, they're going to have to hire. Those who do will be able to expand while the rest will have to play catch up.

Once the hiring frenzy gets started, things are going to get really crappy for employers as employees bitter about the way they've been treated jump ship. The company they go to probably will be just as guilty as the company they left of mistreating employees but they won't know that or won't care since it didn't happen to them (no bad mental associations everyday going to the same office). This will be really bad for employers because a huge amount of institutional knowledge will be walking out the door. If a few people leave, new people can be hired and they can learn from those still around. Large numbers of people leave and that knowledge is gone forever and will have to be rediscovered at a high cost.

Productivity numbers are likely to take a nose dive and there will be nothing employers will be able to do to get it back since employees will be able to leave if the employer tries to whip them into higher productivity. It's not a situation where you want to be the employer trying to keep up with a competitor who is taking your market share and racing away. It's unlikely these trailing companies are going to understand why this happened to them. I foresee lots of middle managers who have spent the last half a decade crapping on employees getting the boot as they' ...


Best bedtime story evar. It makes me smile to think of my former douchebag employer weathering that shiatstorm.
 
2013-04-10 08:10:38 AM  

tbhouston: 1/10


Huh?
 
2013-04-10 08:20:56 AM  

jso2897: We need to start by raping the GOP in 2014.


But they like rape.
 
2013-04-10 08:23:59 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: o5iiawah: Obama's policies are almost identical to FDR

FDR was fairly fiscally conservative (no, really, he never intended most of his policies to be anything except a short-term measure, and his actions in 1936 underscore this). Obama is far more conservative than him. Obamacare? Forces people to buy from private corporations. Now that's something I would have expected out of a Republican.


Obama is a corporatist, just like Clinton.  We haven't had a "liberal" President since Carter and he only got in on the anti-Nixon backlash.  They're all pro-big corporation first, anything else a distant second.
 
2013-04-10 08:24:31 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Obama is far more conservative than him. Obamacare? Forces people to buy from private corporations. Now that's something I would have expected out of a Republican.


Well yeah, they all loved it until a black guy pitched it. They can't call him their preferred slur anymore, so they went with socialist. Never mind that it doesn't make any sense.
 
2013-04-10 08:25:21 AM  

o5iiawah: Obama's policies are almost identical to FDR. To suggest he's a conservative means you should probably ask for your money back from whatever institution provided you with an education.


images.encyclopediadramatica.se
 
2013-04-10 08:29:31 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Why would I hire more workers at a time when Taxbongo has already collected two of the relics and only needs the Ivory Jackal to achieve global domination?


I KNEW Obama was the Jacquio in disguise!

/obscure?
 
2013-04-10 08:30:01 AM  
I can't wait for Obama to leave and take his neo-progressive policies with him. Then maybe we can stop the union bustings that are needed in response to said policies and get back to actually producing things in the country like we used to do instead of having to ship out our jobs to overseas
 
2013-04-10 08:32:31 AM  

X-boxershorts: Dog Welder: o5iiawah: Can you explain how a tax cut - which involves money never entering the treasury in the first place is responsible for debt (which involves money leaving the treasury)?

Seriously?

If you are spending too much money and your income is cut, your debt goes up.  It's basic math.

Or, in the case of the past decade, we slashed our country's income to some of the lowest levels (percentage-wise) in decades, and then fought two wars and introduced a massive piece of legislation (Medicare D) on the country's credit card without bothering to raise taxes back up to pay for those things.

Clearly it's all 0blahma's fault.

I know, it's weird. Almost like they're pathologically prohibited from acknowledging that the previous administration turned the economy into a steaming pile of dogshiat, and then proceeded to scream and stamp their feet at any attempt by the current administration to clean up that mess....


Even weirder...Republicans in Congress have no desire to clean up the mess so they can blame everything on 0blahma and continue to allow their corporate masters to loot the country.  That people fail to see this boggles my mind.  But, gotta stop them socialist libby libs from wrecking the country's economy with socialisms and killing the last few rainbow-farting unicorns that were plentiful everywhere during the Bush administration.
 
2013-04-10 08:36:10 AM  
I wonder how many jobs are unfilled because the terms offered are downright insulting.
 
2013-04-10 08:39:32 AM  

Dog Welder: But, gotta stop them socialist libby libs


It's almost like they're socially stuck in the 50's

Of course, back in the 50's we used to raise taxes when the nation went to war...
 
2013-04-10 08:40:29 AM  

Funk Brothers: Here's an idea, why don't perspective hires offer money to the business he/she want to work for? Lets say I offer this business $30,000 for the first year to get hired. I would be willing to take that route. Also why wouldn't a business turn down free money?


You sound like a Congressional Republican with that bright idea.
 
2013-04-10 08:49:53 AM  
More stimulus please.
 
2013-04-10 08:56:31 AM  
subby, there is an 'obvious' tag you can use, forchrissake.
 
2013-04-10 08:58:23 AM  

o5iiawah: Obama's policies are almost identical to FDR.  To suggest he's a conservative means you should probably ask for your money back from whatever institution provided you with an education.


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How, in the name of Cthulu, are Obama's policies similar in ANY way, shape, or form to FDR's New Deal?

Please explain this one to me. Because of Obama tried to do what FDR tried to do before World War II, he would have been thrown out onto the white house lawn with torches and pitchforks.
 
2013-04-10 09:04:09 AM  
U.S. employers have more job openings than at any other time in nearly five years. That's in part because they seem in no hurry to fill them.

Isn't "not being in a hurry to fill them"  just another way of saying they're not hiring.
 
2013-04-10 09:08:37 AM  

FC Exile: U.S. employers have more job openings than at any other time in nearly five years. That's in part because they seem in no hurry to fill them.

Isn't "not being in a hurry to fill them"  just another way of saying they're not hiring.


It means they want the perfect candidate.
 
2013-04-10 09:14:39 AM  

Tomahawk513: FC Exile: U.S. employers have more job openings than at any other time in nearly five years. That's in part because they seem in no hurry to fill them.

Isn't "not being in a hurry to fill them"  just another way of saying they're not hiring.

It means they want the perfect candidate.


It means they don't want to pay what the job is worth.
 
2013-04-10 09:17:00 AM  

FC Exile: U.S. employers have more job openings than at any other time in nearly five years. That's in part because they seem in no hurry to fill them.

Isn't "not being in a hurry to fill them"  just another way of saying they're not hiring.


It depends on the industry too. Fark skews too heavily towards IT and pretend small business owners. In defense, this time of year they start bidding on next fiscal year's contract, and at the same time they start headhunting and resume-gathering. The actual hiring doesn't begin until around the summer. What's f*cking everything up is the sequester though, because companies are waiting for something to happen. Naturally they are sitting on unfilled billets or pussy-footing around with determining what they'll need next year. It's a giant pain in the ass, and I'll probably be working at the local casino come fall because of it.
 
2013-04-10 09:21:00 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Tomahawk513: FC Exile: U.S. employers have more job openings than at any other time in nearly five years. That's in part because they seem in no hurry to fill them.

Isn't "not being in a hurry to fill them"  just another way of saying they're not hiring.

It means they want the perfect candidate.

It means they don't want to pay what the job is worth.


Also very true.  No, I will not fix your computers for $11 / hour.
 
2013-04-10 09:25:29 AM  

Therion: Isn't it wonderful that fear will make full-time engineer-level employees accept part-time technician pay and be glad to work fifty hours a week with no benefits?


Seriously. This kind of thing has been coming for YEARS and everyone was all, "no, it's not, what are you talking about, that's not what corporate overlords want at all." OF COURSE IT IS.
 
2013-04-10 09:25:57 AM  

teeny: Best bedtime story evar. It makes me smile to think of my former douchebag employer weathering that shiatstorm.


It went down in similar fashion after the dot com bubble burst. The most ruthless managers got put in charge while things sucked because they were able to squeeze as much as possible out of existing employees and would cause others to quit thus saving the employer increased unemployment insurance premiums. But when things got better, those same managers had no clue how to adjust. Most of the ones I knew from that era ended up getting kicked out or demoted. And once that happened, they were untouchable for other manager jobs in the industry so a new crop of freshly minted arseholes were required to whip people through the current economic crisis. No doubt they'll screw up the adjustment back to being human as happened with the previous group. I for one look forward to hearing about these guys only being able to find work as managers of the grounds crew at a low end public golf course.
 
2013-04-10 09:36:22 AM  

verbaltoxin: Mike_LowELL: Why would I hire more workers at a time when Taxbongo has already collected two of the relics and only needs the Ivory Jackal to achieve global domination?

I KNEW Obama was the Jacquio in disguise!

/obscure?


Ninja Gaiden is never obscure!
/fark you level 6
//fark you and your bats!
 
2013-04-10 09:38:29 AM  
I was told all we needed was for job creators to create jobs. Their overwhelming altruism will right this economy, tout de suite .
 
2013-04-10 09:50:49 AM  

Dog Welder: o5iiawah: Can you explain how a tax cut - which involves money never entering the treasury in the first place is responsible for debt (which involves money leaving the treasury)?

Seriously?

If you are spending too much money and your income is cut, your debt goes up.  It's basic math.

Or, in the case of the past decade, we slashed our country's income to some of the lowest levels (percentage-wise) in decades, and then fought two wars and introduced a massive piece of legislation (Medicare D) on the country's credit card without bothering to raise taxes back up to pay for those things.

Clearly it's all 0blahma's fault.


You're talking to a guy who believes the FDIC is responsible for the financial collapse. Just nod and pat him on the head.
 
2013-04-10 10:02:46 AM  

Bucky Katt: BunkyBrewman: NewportBarGuy: Tax and spend seems to have worked and we've never incurred as much debt as with tax CUT policies. Why don't we go back to what worked before?

Spend on credit seems to have worked as well, hasn't it?

Please enlighten us... WHAT exactly worked before?

austerity has a brilliant track record, then?



Austerity has a perfect record.

It's never worked.
 
2013-04-10 10:10:01 AM  

verbaltoxin: FC Exile: U.S. employers have more job openings than at any other time in nearly five years. That's in part because they seem in no hurry to fill them.

Isn't "not being in a hurry to fill them"  just another way of saying they're not hiring.

It depends on the industry too. Fark skews too heavily towards IT and pretend small business owners. In defense, this time of year they start bidding on next fiscal year's contract, and at the same time they start headhunting and resume-gathering. The actual hiring doesn't begin until around the summer. What's f*cking everything up is the sequester though, because companies are waiting for something to happen. Naturally they are sitting on unfilled billets or pussy-footing around with determining what they'll need next year. It's a giant pain in the ass, and I'll probably be working at the local casino come fall because of it.


So glad I didn't take that job in DC two years ago. Big ugly corrupt town full of military/governmenty politics, so unlike most of the west coast start up and tech company world.
 
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