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(Gizmodo)   Sure, Jobs is dead, Apple stock is down, the iPhone 5 and iPad mini were uninspired refreshes, but there's no reason to think that Apple is in....oh......oh no   (gizmodo.com) divider line 153
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2013-04-09 08:31:38 PM
bahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, i agree with tag.
 
2013-04-09 08:34:32 PM
And a final death rattle was heard...
 
2013-04-09 08:40:21 PM
Damn that is great for Yahoo...not sure about anyone else
 
2013-04-09 08:44:28 PM
Damn. I forgot my Yahoo login and password more than a decade ago. Maybe I should make a new one so I can take advantage of all the fail coming to the iPhone I will never buy.
 
2013-04-09 09:05:02 PM
This isn't surprising, considering Apple and Google's relationship. Apple will spin this as it being revolutionary, and millions of people will rush out to buy it.
 
2013-04-09 09:11:32 PM
Dear God NO

Please be one of those shiatty Apple rumors.
 
2013-04-09 09:23:14 PM
That explains all the stupid "yahoo wants to know where you are so we can help you" popups I get every time I go to their homepage using the ipad.
 
2013-04-09 09:40:35 PM
If the iPhone 5 was an uninspired refresh, so is the Galaxy S4. And how can the iPad mini be a "refresh" when they didn't sell one before?

Yes, Jobs is dead. You got one fact right there, so you're above average for the iHater Squad.
 
2013-04-09 09:52:30 PM
Apple and Yahoo are supposedly in talks about using Yahoo's content from Yahoo Sports (which is fantastic), Yahoo News and other Yahoo websites through Siri. It'd presumably be like how sport scores and stats can pop up in Siri right now-Yahoo would feed more of its content and data to iPhone users.

OMG! TOTAL FAIL!!!!

FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAILLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!
 
wee [TotalFark]
2013-04-09 09:55:51 PM

bingethinker: If the iPhone 5 was an uninspired refresh, so is the Galaxy S4. And how can the iPad mini be a "refresh" when they didn't sell one before?

Yes, Jobs is dead. You got one fact right there, so you're above average for the iHater Squad.


You're an iBeliever in iReligion, aren't you?
 
2013-04-09 10:03:08 PM
Up next, integrating AOL and Netscape.
 
2013-04-09 11:51:56 PM

wee: bingethinker: If the iPhone 5 was an uninspired refresh, so is the Galaxy S4. And how can the iPad mini be a "refresh" when they didn't sell one before?

Yes, Jobs is dead. You got one fact right there, so you're above average for the iHater Squad.

You're an iBeliever in iReligion, aren't you?


If the past is any indication, Yahoo! better gear up their servers, because every Apple fanboy on Earth is going to use them religiously. In fact, if they license the "i-whatever" trademark and start calling themselves iYahoo! they'll overtake Google again in no time. That's not even to mention the Spanish speakers.
 
2013-04-10 12:07:57 AM

bingethinker: If the iPhone 5 was an uninspired refresh, so is the Galaxy S4.


Yes, the S4 is also an uninspired refresh, I'm not sure people would argue that the way they argue against an iPhone 5 being one. Although the 4S was way more uninspired since it didn't even have the increased screen size. The difference is that way fewer Android people line up to trade in their perfectly functioning phones for refreshes. And without Steve Jobs at the reigns, Apple buyers are starting to wane as well because he was a modern day P.T. Barnum.
 
2013-04-10 12:27:31 AM
This headline is bad, and both submitter and the greenlighting admin should feel bad.
 
2013-04-10 12:34:09 AM
I just ordered an iPhone 5, so I am NOT getting a kick...
 
2013-04-10 12:42:58 AM
But, the important question is, are they beleaguered yet?
 
2013-04-10 01:24:19 AM

SilentStrider: This headline is bad, and both submitter and the greenlighting admin should feel bad.


let the fanyboys have their fun
 
2013-04-10 01:32:18 AM
So Apple is working with Yahoo. Yahoo's search engine is powered by Bing. Bing is Microsoft. Therefore Apple and Microsoft are working together?
 
2013-04-10 01:44:37 AM

change1211: So Apple is working with Yahoo. Yahoo's search engine is powered by Bing. Bing is Microsoft. Therefore Apple and Microsoft are working together?


Would you prefer to use Yahoo's search engine, which was previously a really terrible index of web sites?
 
2013-04-10 02:20:01 AM
For those of you who are new to this whole "internet" thing... working with Yahoo is the equivalent of being sold to EA...

You're gonna die.
 
2013-04-10 02:27:15 AM
Sears integrates with KMart.
 
2013-04-10 02:27:48 AM
When I was a kid we had to open separate browser instances and type the complete correct url for altavista, yahoo.......remember hoping the browser with porn in it didn't hang a bit when you tried to switch back to the other "work" browser?  Cars didn't even have seatbelts..... I mean there weren't even panic button screensavers back then.

yahoo flash ram
 
2013-04-10 02:30:36 AM
Makes sense considering how many Apple-is-still-leading-edge-technology articles that Yahoo propagates.
 
2013-04-10 02:31:24 AM

eventhelosers: remember hoping the browser with porn in it didn't hang a bit when you tried to switch back to the other "work" browser?


You used to use the Internet for porn?

Times have changed.
 
2013-04-10 02:32:06 AM

SoCalChris: Apple will spin this as it being revolutionary, and millions of people will rush out to buy it.


Steve Jobs was the source of all that. The company is lost without his uncanny ability to convince the gullible that buying mediocre products would give them an identity and feeling that they're part of a revolution. Now everyone just sees mediocre products.
 
2013-04-10 02:32:50 AM
24.media.tumblr.com

/really iHaters - get a life
 
2013-04-10 02:33:47 AM
question

Will Apples move to integrate yahoo into it's products be a good thing?


Best answers.

1. Oh yeah. totally

2. yes. without a doubt.

3. I can't see it being anything but good.

4. Cabbage

5. I hope so. I love yahoo so much!
 
2013-04-10 02:43:26 AM
Remember when Yahoo's management turned down Microsoft's $33 a share offer to buy them out?  Good times.
 
2013-04-10 02:54:06 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Remember when Yahoo's management turned down Microsoft's $33 a share offer to buy them out?  Good times.


I laughed then and I laugh now at your quip.
 
2013-04-10 02:59:09 AM
Meh. This is integration of Yahoo data in iOS services. Apple will not risk another corporate black eye and replace Google as the default search anytime soon.
 
2013-04-10 03:12:19 AM
What's a Yahoo? More importantly what's an iYahoo?
 
2013-04-10 03:13:45 AM
 
2013-04-10 03:18:48 AM
d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net
 
2013-04-10 03:19:51 AM
Maybe I'm wrong here, but Yahoo is still number 4 on the most visited websites in the galaxy according to Alexa.

So either Alexa is a lying liar or Apple is reaching out to the grandmas and plebians who still live on dial-up and still think Yahoo is a thing.

/the entire endeavor is ill-sighted
//my android phone defaults to a yahoo site
///not for lack of trying
 
2013-04-10 03:27:49 AM

ActualFarkal: Maybe I'm wrong here, but Yahoo is still number 4 on the most visited websites in the galaxy according to Alexa.

So either Alexa is a lying liar or Apple is reaching out to the grandmas and plebians who still live on dial-up and still think Yahoo is a thing.

/the entire endeavor is ill-sighted
//my android phone defaults to a yahoo site
///not for lack of trying


My brother still uses yahoo mail for his standard email. Not sure if this counts towards that, but I prefer Yahoo Sports to other sports websites. The layout is simpler and less offensive than say, ESPN.
 
2013-04-10 03:30:12 AM

ActualFarkal: Yahoo is still number 4 on the most visited websites in the galaxy according to Alexa.


That honestly surprised me.
 
2013-04-10 03:31:57 AM

WillofJ2: Bill Maher says it best

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/03/10/apple-is-doomed-maher/


That was then, this is now.
 
2013-04-10 03:45:53 AM
And yet Apple is still having $50 billion *quarters*. Not Yearly revenue, just in 3 months.

I'm not saying Apple is perfect by any means, but it may be a tad premature to think they are in any kind of trouble as a company.
 
2013-04-10 03:52:40 AM

OriginalGamer: And yet Apple is still having $50 billion *quarters*. Not Yearly revenue, just in 3 months.

I'm not saying Apple is perfect by any means, but it may be a tad premature to think they are in any kind of trouble as a company.


Doomed to die?  No.

Doomed to lose their dominance and just become "One of several major companies in the market" a la Microsoft?  Absolutely.
 
2013-04-10 03:57:30 AM
The numbers for last quarter if anyone cares to read:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/23Apple-Reports-Record-Resul ts .html

"47.8 Million iPhones Sold; 22.9 Million iPads Sold"

"The Company posted record quarterly revenue of $54.5 billion..."



i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-10 04:03:07 AM

ActualFarkal: Maybe I'm wrong here, but Yahoo is still number 4 on the most visited websites in the galaxy according to Alexa.

So either Alexa is a lying liar or Apple is reaching out to the grandmas and plebians who still live on dial-up and still think Yahoo is a thing.

/the entire endeavor is ill-sighted
//my android phone defaults to a yahoo site
///not for lack of trying


Well, every morning I pop open 10 tabs of comics from Yahoo. Then I only wind up there if Fark links to them.
 
2013-04-10 04:06:56 AM

WillofJ2: Bill Maher says it best

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2013/03/10/apple-is-doomed-maher/


And Ariana thinks that AMZN is went private.
 
2013-04-10 04:07:34 AM
Also, I'm not some Apple evangelist, I do own an iPad and a MacBook Pro...but also have a dedicated Windows gaming box, and a Linux media server, and an Xbox 360.

It just amuses me how often and how hard people rage on Apple. Just use whatever works for you, and who cares what anyone else uses?

Some of the threads turn into wankfests the likes of which I haven't seen since grade school arguments over SNES vs. Genesis.
 
2013-04-10 04:09:21 AM

OriginalGamer: Also, I'm not some Apple evangelist, I do own an iPad and a MacBook Pro...but also have a dedicated Windows gaming box, and a Linux media server, and an Xbox 360.

It just amuses me how often and how hard people rage on Apple. Just use whatever works for you, and who cares what anyone else uses?

Some of the threads turn into wankfests the likes of which I haven't seen since grade school arguments over SNES vs. Genesis.


it was SNES until sega came out with a better controller, then dreamcast and playstation came out and it was all over
 
2013-04-10 04:09:32 AM

OriginalGamer: The numbers for last quarter if anyone cares to read:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/23Apple-Reports-Record-Resul ts .html

"47.8 Million iPhones Sold; 22.9 Million iPads Sold"

"The Company posted record quarterly revenue of $54.5 billion..."


[i.imgur.com image 311x311]


They are publicly traded company and the market is losing confidence in them. Good thing they are sitting on their cash wad since it will get really hard to borrow money to crank out the next iThing once there is no investor confidence. Sure, they will be fine, but they will be smaller and injured.

\now if only Nokia would make a proper smartphone
 
2013-04-10 04:18:24 AM

OriginalGamer: The numbers for last quarter if anyone cares to read:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/23Apple-Reports-Record-Resul ts .html

"47.8 Million iPhones Sold; 22.9 Million iPads Sold"

"The Company posted record quarterly revenue of $54.5 billion..."


[i.imgur.com image 311x311]


It won't be able to sustain it's business model.
 
2013-04-10 04:33:02 AM

gozar_the_destroyer: hard to borrow money


they could build their own assembly plant on the most expensive industrial land in California and not even notice they spent the money, borrowing is not something they need to worry about.
 
2013-04-10 04:42:54 AM

WhyteRaven74: gozar_the_destroyer: hard to borrow money

they could build their own assembly plant on the most expensive industrial land in California and not even notice they spent the money, borrowing is not something they need to worry about.


They don't have the expertise to run it though and that would drive up the price. You can't just build a plant and hire a couple of managers to run it. It is a team effort between corperate, engineering/RD, marketing (they have that down), distribution and production. They outsource the last two to save money and because they have no idea how those things work. Sure, they could figure it out, but it would ad cost per unit. The price point they sell at is what people are willing to pay for their iThings every time a new one comes out. Unless they wanted to take a slash to profits (like hell) they would have to raise the price to the point that many of their consumers would be willing to skip devices. This would again, eat into profit.

Apple has marketing, price point and basic functionality down pretty well. However, they have done very little in the way of creating new hardware technologies. They simply package what other companies design and write an OS for it that is functional for 90% of users.

What I would like to know is why they are sitting on such massive cash stores.
 
2013-04-10 04:42:57 AM

eventhelosers: I mean there weren't even panic button screensavers back then.


It was called the "boss button", not the panic button. And it was a key combination.
 
2013-04-10 04:44:05 AM

pup.socket: boss button


Boss key, actually.
 
2013-04-10 04:52:33 AM

gozar_the_destroyer: This would again, eat into profit.


given how much cash they have they could eat the extra costs and not raise prices and not worry about a slightly reduced profit margin. And they certainly have the means to hire anyone they need to do anything they decide to do.
 
2013-04-10 05:16:38 AM
Yahoo is only a highly visited site because their primary product is "stacking into google search"
 
2013-04-10 05:41:12 AM

gozar_the_destroyer: OriginalGamer: The numbers for last quarter if anyone cares to read:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/23Apple-Reports-Record-Resul ts .html

"47.8 Million iPhones Sold; 22.9 Million iPads Sold"

"The Company posted record quarterly revenue of $54.5 billion..."


[i.imgur.com image 311x311]

They are publicly traded company and the market is losing confidence in them. Good thing they are sitting on their cash wad since it will get really hard to borrow money to crank out the next iThing once there is no investor confidence. Sure, they will be fine, but they will be smaller and injured.

\now if only Nokia would make a proper smartphone


www.techsnapr.com
 
2013-04-10 05:48:07 AM

gozar_the_destroyer: \now if only Nokia would make a proper smartphone


2.bp.blogspot.com

Phones don't come any smarter than the N900.
 
2013-04-10 05:56:17 AM

seanpg71: gozar_the_destroyer: OriginalGamer: The numbers for last quarter if anyone cares to read:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/23Apple-Reports-Record-Resul ts .html

"47.8 Million iPhones Sold; 22.9 Million iPads Sold"

"The Company posted record quarterly revenue of $54.5 billion..."


[i.imgur.com image 311x311]

They are publicly traded company and the market is losing confidence in them. Good thing they are sitting on their cash wad since it will get really hard to borrow money to crank out the next iThing once there is no investor confidence. Sure, they will be fine, but they will be smaller and injured.

\now if only Nokia would make a proper smartphone

[www.techsnapr.com image 600x600]


Windows Phone 8...and the hardware is 2 years old. The iPhone 4GS was better and is old.

Gordon Bennett: gozar_the_destroyer: \now if only Nokia would make a proper smartphone

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 532x403]

Phones don't come any smarter than the N900.


If it was 2009 and they had pushed third party app development. My Blackberry from then had a faster CPU, more ram and apps.

\my point was made for me, perhaps I was trolled
 
2013-04-10 06:02:36 AM
I used Bing  for the firs time yesterday, while setting up my new Windows 8 laptop. Seems 90% of the search results are marketing links. Is this just me?.
 
2013-04-10 06:06:41 AM
log_jammin: question

Will Apples move to integrate yahoo into it's products be a good thing?

Best answers.

4. Cabbage


images.wikia.com
 
2013-04-10 06:08:25 AM

simplicimus: I used Bing  for the firs time yesterday, while setting up my new Windows 8 laptop. Seems 90% of the search results are marketing links. Is this just me?.


No, that is what Bing is. The other 10% are ripped off from Google.
 
2013-04-10 06:12:28 AM
If you actually know Apples ways of doing things and not just parroting the same tired talking points you would know Apple always has a back up or two for every outside supplier. When Apple was using PowerPC processors they had OSX running on intel chips, when they used Nvidia graphics they made sure Ati chips worked etc etc.

So they are doing what they have always done and made sure that if they needed or wanted to replace google products quickly they could.

/Apple make tech for non techies
//You may care about MHz and cores, people care about if they can use it
 
2013-04-10 06:28:00 AM

gozar_the_destroyer: simplicimus: I used Bing  for the firs time yesterday, while setting up my new Windows 8 laptop. Seems 90% of the search results are marketing links. Is this just me?.

No, that is what Bing is. The other 10% are ripped off from Google.


Whereas Google is about 50/50, but they identify which ones are marketing.  Not terribly well, mind, but they do.
 
2013-04-10 06:59:06 AM

bingethinker: If the iPhone 5 was an uninspired refresh, so is the Galaxy S4. And how can the iPad mini be a "refresh" when they didn't sell one before?

Yes, Jobs is dead. You got one fact right there, so you're above average for the iHater Squad.


Shouldn't you be spray-painting something bigoted on a mosque somewhere?
 
2013-04-10 07:21:38 AM
These stories are cute. Apple or Samsung would have to make a major breakthrough or blunder for any real change in the market right now. And  using more Yahoo data isn't going to be a major blunder. Hell, this is a not a big announcement at all.
 
2013-04-10 07:28:51 AM
Alright Farkers, would anyone mind explaining why it makes sense that so many people in this thread are associating an entire company's financial outlook with a few personal experiences with products?  Having a bad time with a product?  Contact Customer Service.  It's what the department is for.  Most large companies have them.  They have a lot of answers.  They've been through it before.  They have allocated funds intended to help customers who are having a bad time.  Perhaps the problem will turn into a warranty claim.  Perhaps they'll simply take mercy to keep a long-term customer happy (it may be handy to talk to one of their sales people to figure out the average investment that they need to make to get a new customer - you can push for up to that much out of them to keep you if its the first time you're contacting them especially if you mention the right number to a manager).
 
2013-04-10 07:32:40 AM
Apple's best days are behind it.  Samsung crams more things into their smart phones and they aren't trapped by the bizarre, goofy ideals of Jobs.  Case in point...the Note series.  Steve Jobs swore that no Apple product would ever have a stylus.  With that decision, Apple was vulnerable with the college market; I'm seeing more and more Samsung Notes (and Microsoft Surface Pros) on college campuses.

(And, before someone says that it's faster to type than to write...that's true...until you take a college math class.  Or have to draw diagrams.)

The legendary Steve Jobs ego, carried on by less-capable leadership, will be Apple's undoing.
 
2013-04-10 07:50:49 AM

IntertubeUser: Apple's best days are behind it.  Samsung crams more things into their smart phones and they aren't trapped by the bizarre, goofy ideals of Jobs.  Case in point...the Note series.  Steve Jobs swore that no Apple product would ever have a stylus.  With that decision, Apple was vulnerable with the college market; I'm seeing more and more Samsung Notes (and Microsoft Surface Pros) on college campuses.

(And, before someone says that it's faster to type than to write...that's true...until you take a college math class.  Or have to draw diagrams.)

The legendary Steve Jobs ego, carried on by less-capable leadership, will be Apple's undoing.


I wouldn't be surprised to see a more accurate stylus on Apple devices. That said, the stuff they cram into the Samsung devices don't seem to be game changing. And to get people to drop the investment in apps and whatnot to change devices, it has to be a game changer.
 
2013-04-10 08:05:18 AM

Publikwerks: That said, the stuff they cram into the Samsung devices don't seem to be game changing.


How do you figure?  Samsung has been steadily gaining marketshare for several years now.  And if my observation about the Samsung Note at school is remotely close to the truth, what does that say about the direction of Apple's popularity?
 
2013-04-10 08:06:30 AM

SilentStrider: This headline is bad, and both submitter and the greenlighting admin should feel bad.


I'm still trying to figure out how the iPad Mini, which is still on it's first iteration, is a refresh.

mamoru: But, the important question is, are they beleaguered yet?


Ah 'beleaguered,' the favorite word for the Competition on MacDailyNews.
 
2013-04-10 08:06:42 AM
They already integrate with Twitter and Facebook. I suspect they finally figured out that it is better to integrate with existing online content than to try creating their own. We don't need another Ping (or hero, if you ask Tina Turner).
 
2013-04-10 08:09:56 AM
OK OK... Think now, biatches.

How many people do YOU know that have a competing smartphone that WISH they had an iPhone.

Now, compare that to the amount of people that have an iPhone that WISH they had something else.

Be honest, iHater biatches...
 
2013-04-10 08:12:00 AM

Publikwerks: IntertubeUser: Apple's best days are behind it.  Samsung crams more things into their smart phones and they aren't trapped by the bizarre, goofy ideals of Jobs.  Case in point...the Note series.  Steve Jobs swore that no Apple product would ever have a stylus.  With that decision, Apple was vulnerable with the college market; I'm seeing more and more Samsung Notes (and Microsoft Surface Pros) on college campuses.

(And, before someone says that it's faster to type than to write...that's true...until you take a college math class.  Or have to draw diagrams.)

The legendary Steve Jobs ego, carried on by less-capable leadership, will be Apple's undoing.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a more accurate stylus on Apple devices. That said, the stuff they cram into the Samsung devices don't seem to be game changing. And to get people to drop the investment in apps and whatnot to change devices, it has to be a game changer.


That's just it, it is starting to look like (to me anyway) as if the mobile platforms are maturing enough that there isn't necessarily a game changing piece that can be released at this point. Or if there is, its in deep development and is a closely guarded secret so no one can make knock offs.  We're probably going to see evolutionary steps forward for a while as opposed to the large leaps we've become accustomed to.  That opinion heavy statement typed, I'd love to be proved wrong on this front because I love shiny stuff as much as the next guy.

I sure as hell wish I could come up with the next big idea for mobile devices because whoever figures out the next leap forward is going to make some big bucks for a while.

Just for the sake of discussion, I own an S3 and a Note 10.1 and I do enjoy the sniping between Apple and Samsung because it means they're actually competing against each other, which translates to cooler toys.
 
2013-04-10 08:21:28 AM

IntertubeUser: Apple's best days are behind it. Samsung crams more things into their smart phones and they aren't trapped by the bizarre, goofy ideals of Jobs. Case in point...the Note series. Steve Jobs swore that no Apple product would ever have a stylus. With that decision, Apple was vulnerable with the college market; I'm seeing more and more Samsung Notes (and Microsoft Surface Pros) on college campuses.


Here's the difference between Apple and everyone else: Apple focuses on functionality (interface, ease of use, etc.), and companies like Samsung are all about bells and whistles. For example: eye-tracking. It's cool, but solves no problem, nobody is going to make the decision to buy one of their products for it, nobody is going to use it.

(That being said, Apple does spend a lot of time on design and the appearance of their products, but you know what, people like owning pretty gadgets. Mock that all you want, but it helps drive sales, and Apple is more profitable than all of their competitors.)

And for all the mocking of the iPhone 5 being a refresh, if you've actually ever held it and then compared to previous iPhones, it's immediately clear how much lighter it is and easier to hold.
 
2013-04-10 08:22:26 AM

OriginalGamer: The numbers for last quarter if anyone cares to read:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/23Apple-Reports-Record-Resul ts .html

"47.8 Million iPhones Sold; 22.9 Million iPads Sold"

"The Company posted record quarterly revenue of $54.5 billion..."


[i.imgur.com image 311x311]


There is no farking way Apple is worth more than Microsoft and Google combined.
 
2013-04-10 08:23:26 AM

log_jammin: question

Will Apples move to integrate yahoo into it's products be a good thing?


Best answers.

1. Oh yeah. totally

2. yes. without a doubt.

3. I can't see it being anything but good.

4. Cabbage

5. I hope so. I love yahoo so much!


I like Apple.

I like Cabbage.

2 out of 3 ain't bad.
 
2013-04-10 08:27:20 AM

ActualFarkal: Maybe I'm wrong here, but Yahoo is still number 4 on the most visited websites in the galaxy according to Alexa.

So either Alexa is a lying liar or Apple is reaching out to the grandmas and plebians who still live on dial-up and still think Yahoo is a thing.

/the entire endeavor is ill-sighted
//my android phone defaults to a yahoo site
///not for lack of trying


Being number 4 out of 7 gazillion websites is bad?  And maybe yahoo will with Apple rather than dictate terms like Google does.
 
2013-04-10 08:30:09 AM

aintnuttintofarkwith: OK OK... Think now, biatches.

How many people do YOU know that have a competing smartphone that WISH they had an iPhone.

Now, compare that to the amount of people that have an iPhone that WISH they had something else.

Be honest, iHater biatches...


I have an iPod touch and everytime I have to use iTunes to manage things I cringe. The hardware is wonderful, I love it, but using iTunes to handle my music collection is a pain the arse. When my Touch dies I'll get a non-Apple product if they haven't significally changed iTunes. Nothing against Apple because I have better things to do than swear allegiance to a product line, but the way iTunes works is beyond stupid.
 
2013-04-10 08:31:08 AM
i.imgur.com
/oblig
 
2013-04-10 08:31:12 AM

Marmilman: OriginalGamer: The numbers for last quarter if anyone cares to read:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/23Apple-Reports-Record-Resul ts .html

"47.8 Million iPhones Sold; 22.9 Million iPads Sold"

"The Company posted record quarterly revenue of $54.5 billion..."


[i.imgur.com image 311x311]

There is no farking way Apple is worth more than Microsoft and Google combined.


A quick google search:  Microsoft earned 20billion, google 14 billion last quarter.  So, math says Apple is bigger than those two combined.  But don't let math get in the way of your Apple hate rant.
 
2013-04-10 08:31:18 AM

thornhill: Here's the difference between Apple and everyone else: Apple focuses on functionality (interface, ease of use, etc.), and companies like Samsung are all about bells and whistles. For example: eye-tracking. It's cool, but solves no problem, nobody is going to make the decision to buy one of their products for it, nobody is going to use it.


So it's like Siri, which apple dedicated an ad campaign to.
 
2013-04-10 08:33:14 AM

aintnuttintofarkwith: OK OK... Think now, biatches.

How many people do YOU know that have a competing smartphone that WISH they had an iPhone.

Now, compare that to the amount of people that have an iPhone that WISH they had something else.

Be honest, iHater biatches...


Do you know anyone with a job? You don't actually have to wish for a phone, you can buy it.
 
2013-04-10 08:39:43 AM

StrikitRich: SilentStrider: This headline is bad, and both submitter and the greenlighting admin should feel bad.

I'm still trying to figure out how the iPad Mini, which is still on it's first iteration, is a refresh.





The iPad Mini is just a smaller iPad 2. Not that that makes it bad (ipad2/mini is still a nice little machine casual games, e-book reading, and browsing the net). Granted, it's kind of marketed differently, but it's still just a re-freshed package.
 
2013-04-10 08:46:32 AM

stuhayes2010: Marmilman: OriginalGamer: The numbers for last quarter if anyone cares to read:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/23Apple-Reports-Record-Resul ts .html

"47.8 Million iPhones Sold; 22.9 Million iPads Sold"

"The Company posted record quarterly revenue of $54.5 billion..."


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There is no farking way Apple is worth more than Microsoft and Google combined.

A quick google search:  Microsoft earned 20billion, google 14 billion last quarter.  So, math says Apple is bigger than those two combined.  But don't let math get in the way of your Apple hate rant.


Earnings are not size, and size is not worth.  The correct measurement of  worth would be Market Capitalization:

APPL: 400.96B
MSFT: 248.02B
GOOG: 256.36B

Apple is not worth more than Microsoft and Google combined.  It is worth more than either individually.

/I used yahoo finance to look this up.
 
2013-04-10 08:48:28 AM
whoopee

/or some similar exclamation
 
2013-04-10 08:51:01 AM

OriginalGamer: Also, I'm not some Apple evangelist, I do own an iPad and a MacBook Pro...but also have a dedicated Windows gaming box, and a Linux media server, and an Xbox 360.

It just amuses me how often and how hard people rage on Apple. Just use whatever works for you, and who cares what anyone else uses?

Some of the threads turn into wankfests the likes of which I haven't seen since grade school arguments over SNES vs. Genesis.


The only thing I really rage about is the iphone.  My wife got a macbook a few months ago and I didn't make her sleep on the couch.  I like how airplay integrates with our surround sound system and some other stuff, but every iphone since 3 has been behind the power curve and Apple is OK with that.  They put out the 4 with a "state of the art" 5 megapixel camera when some budget android phones have better hardware.  My fear is what is going to happen if Apple releases a smart watch and everyone declares it a game changer for having bluetooth and being waterproof.
 
2013-04-10 08:51:20 AM

HotWingConspiracy: thornhill: Here's the difference between Apple and everyone else: Apple focuses on functionality (interface, ease of use, etc.), and companies like Samsung are all about bells and whistles. For example: eye-tracking. It's cool, but solves no problem, nobody is going to make the decision to buy one of their products for it, nobody is going to use it.

So it's like Siri, which apple dedicated an ad campaign to.


Voice operation actually is practical and the future, but it's only going to happen when the technology works 100% of the time. Their mistake with Siri was overprommissing.
 
2013-04-10 08:52:41 AM

bingethinker: If the iPhone 5 was an uninspired refresh, so is the Galaxy S4.


Yes, it was, and sales/market impact seem to reflect that it wasn't really sought by upgraders, only people re-buying phones with contract flips... not the ideal situation for the manufacturer, which is what subby's referencing.  Your point?

 And how can the iPad mini be a "refresh" when they didn't sell one before?

So by your logic Street Fighter 2 alpha was a completely new, fresh, and original concept because they technically hadn't released one with 'alpha' in the title before?  Applying 'mini' to something with the same feature specs scaled-down at a slower rate than moore's law isn't really a revolution in device design or marketing, and unlikely to gain any market it's not cannibalizing from the existing market for your device... which, again, isn't the worst thing in the world but kind of a waste of a lot of designer and marketing salaries.
 
2013-04-10 08:53:31 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: wee: bingethinker: If the iPhone 5 was an uninspired refresh, so is the Galaxy S4. And how can the iPad mini be a "refresh" when they didn't sell one before?

Yes, Jobs is dead. You got one fact right there, so you're above average for the iHater Squad.

You're an iBeliever in iReligion, aren't you?

If the past is any indication, Yahoo! better gear up their servers, because every Apple fanboy on Earth is going to use them religiously. In fact, if they license the "i-whatever" trademark and start calling themselves iYahoo! they'll overtake Google again in no time. That's not even to mention the Spanish speakers.


I read that as ¡Yahoo! and thought they already have a Yahoo Mexico...what does that have to do with Apple?

/yeah, I'm going to go make some coffee...
 
2013-04-10 08:57:47 AM

aintnuttintofarkwith: OK OK... Think now, biatches.

How many people do YOU know that have a competing smartphone that WISH they had an iPhone.

Now, compare that to the amount of people that have an iPhone that WISH they had something else.

Be honest, iHater biatches...


Me.  I own an iphone 4s, but I envy my wife with her galaxy S3.  I'm strongly considering moving to the galaxy S4 (or a different android phone) in a year or so when my contract is up, unless all the android phones at that time magically start to suck.  Plus, I won't have to deal with Apple anymore.
 
2013-04-10 09:05:19 AM

log_jammin: ActualFarkal: Yahoo is still number 4 on the most visited websites in the galaxy according to Alexa.

That honestly surprised me.


Website rankings in Alexa by type:

1. Search engines: Google, Yahoo, Bing, Live, Baidu, etc
2. Social Media: Facebook, Twitter, Tumblrm, Blogspot
3. Beginning at #35 - What The Internet Is For.

I am genuinely surprised the first pron site was so low in the rankings. o_o
 
2013-04-10 09:08:12 AM

OriginalGamer: Also, I'm not some Apple evangelist, I do own an iPad and a MacBook Pro...but also have a dedicated Windows gaming box, and a Linux media server, and an Xbox 360.

It just amuses me how often and how hard people rage on Apple. Just use whatever works for you, and who cares what anyone else uses?

Some of the threads turn into wankfests the likes of which I haven't seen since grade school arguments over SNES vs. Genesis.


Sega does what NintenDON'T!
 
2013-04-10 09:08:54 AM

Feepit: log_jammin: ActualFarkal: Yahoo is still number 4 on the most visited websites in the galaxy according to Alexa.

That honestly surprised me.

Website rankings in Alexa by type:

1. Search engines: Google, Yahoo, Bing, Live, Baidu, etc
2. Social Media: Facebook, Twitter, Tumblrm, Blogspot
3. Beginning at #35 - What The Internet Is For.

I am genuinely surprised the first pron site was so low in the rankings. o_o


Its because they always use the search sites to find the porn, guaranteeing use for google, yahoo, etc
 
2013-04-10 09:10:57 AM

aintnuttintofarkwith: OK OK... Think now, biatches.

How many people do YOU know that have a competing smartphone that WISH they had an iPhone.

Now, compare that to the amount of people that have an iPhone that WISH they had something else.

Be honest, iHater biatches...


I know three people that switched from Android to iPhone
I know at least five that switched from iPhone to Android.
A whole bunch of my coworkers recently either got their first smartphone or are coming off of BlackBerry and they all got a GS3 or a Note 2.
 
2013-04-10 09:13:09 AM

PanicMan: stuhayes2010: Marmilman: OriginalGamer: The numbers for last quarter if anyone cares to read:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/23Apple-Reports-Record-Resul ts .html

"47.8 Million iPhones Sold; 22.9 Million iPads Sold"

"The Company posted record quarterly revenue of $54.5 billion..."


[i.imgur.com image 311x311]

There is no farking way Apple is worth more than Microsoft and Google combined.

A quick google search:  Microsoft earned 20billion, google 14 billion last quarter.  So, math says Apple is bigger than those two combined.  But don't let math get in the way of your Apple hate rant.

Earnings are not size, and size is not worth.  The correct measurement of  worth would be Market Capitalization:

APPL: 400.96B
MSFT: 248.02B
GOOG: 256.36B

Apple is not worth more than Microsoft and Google combined.  It is worth more than either individually.

/I used yahoo finance to look this up.



Market capitalisation is not true reflection of what a company is worth, its what the herd thinks its worth and this is the same herd that thought Enron was great. To get a true indicator of a company's worth you need to look at sales, profit margin, cash reserves, IP, the place in the market and capitalisation. But that needs allot of information and in-depth knowledge that most analysts don't have never mind laypeople.

Apple shares are almost unique in that they didn't pay dividends so the only way to make money was as a pump and dump scam.

/If i had a £ for every time an analyst said Apple was dead i would be able to afford a new powerbook every year
 
2013-04-10 09:16:43 AM
Knock the iPad mini all you like but damn if isn't my GoTo tablet for everything.

/has a Gen1, Gen2, Gen3, Mini, and an Asus Transformer TF300
//Does development for mobile games
 
2013-04-10 09:19:18 AM
i.imgur.com

If this means Marissa Mayer will personally start texting me then bring it on.
 
2013-04-10 09:23:06 AM

Norfolking Chance: PanicMan: stuhayes2010: Marmilman: OriginalGamer: The numbers for last quarter if anyone cares to read:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/23Apple-Reports-Record-Resul ts .html

"47.8 Million iPhones Sold; 22.9 Million iPads Sold"

"The Company posted record quarterly revenue of $54.5 billion..."


[i.imgur.com image 311x311]

There is no farking way Apple is worth more than Microsoft and Google combined.

A quick google search:  Microsoft earned 20billion, google 14 billion last quarter.  So, math says Apple is bigger than those two combined.  But don't let math get in the way of your Apple hate rant.

Earnings are not size, and size is not worth.  The correct measurement of  worth would be Market Capitalization:

APPL: 400.96B
MSFT: 248.02B
GOOG: 256.36B

Apple is not worth more than Microsoft and Google combined.  It is worth more than either individually.

/I used yahoo finance to look this up.


Market capitalisation is not true reflection of what a company is worth, its what the herd thinks its worth and this is the same herd that thought Enron was great. To get a true indicator of a company's worth you need to look at sales, profit margin, cash reserves, IP, the place in the market and capitalisation. But that needs allot of information and in-depth knowledge that most analysts don't have never mind laypeople.

Apple shares are almost unique in that they didn't pay dividends so the only way to make money was as a pump and dump scam.

/If i had a £ for every time an analyst said Apple was dead i would be able to afford a new powerbook every year


So, millions of analysts say Apple is dead each year?
 
2013-04-10 09:31:33 AM
thornhill:
Here's the difference between Apple and everyone else: Apple focuses on functionality (interface, ease of use, etc.), and companies like Samsung are all about bells and whistles. For example: eye-tracking. It's cool, but solves no problem, nobody is going to make the decision to buy one of their products for it, nobody is going to use it.

(That being said, Apple does spend a lot of time on design and the appearance of their products, but you know what, people like owning pretty gadgets. Mock that all you want, but it helps drive sales, and Apple is more profitable than all of their competitors.)

And for all the mocking of the iPhone 5 being a refresh, if you've actually ever held it and then compared to previous iPhones, it's immediately clear how much lighter it is and easier to hold.


Dude...I've held an iPhone.  It's no easier to hold than just about any other smart phone.  And to say that one product is prettier than the other?  Really???

And those bells and whistles ... to the rest of us, those things represent what a phone can do.  My favorite bell and whistle...Samsung's built in barometer sensor which allows for a bunch of meteorological apps and can tell me the altitude when I'm in the mountains.  Just one of many things that my older Galaxy Nexus can do that your iPhone simply can't.

At the end of the day, what the damned thing can do is the most important issue...not some bullshiat, contrived, and heavily-marketed notion of aesthetic.

No wonder Apple is a stale, non-innovating, and hence dying company.  It's too busy listening to its cult of devotees and not listening to the rest of the market.
 
2013-04-10 09:36:31 AM

IntertubeUser: thornhill:
Here's the difference between Apple and everyone else: Apple focuses on functionality (interface, ease of use, etc.), and companies like Samsung are all about bells and whistles. For example: eye-tracking. It's cool, but solves no problem, nobody is going to make the decision to buy one of their products for it, nobody is going to use it.

(That being said, Apple does spend a lot of time on design and the appearance of their products, but you know what, people like owning pretty gadgets. Mock that all you want, but it helps drive sales, and Apple is more profitable than all of their competitors.)

And for all the mocking of the iPhone 5 being a refresh, if you've actually ever held it and then compared to previous iPhones, it's immediately clear how much lighter it is and easier to hold.

Dude...I've held an iPhone.  It's no easier to hold than just about any other smart phone.  And to say that one product is prettier than the other?  Really???

And those bells and whistles ... to the rest of us, those things represent what a phone can do.  My favorite bell and whistle...Samsung's built in barometer sensor which allows for a bunch of meteorological apps and can tell me the altitude when I'm in the mountains.  Just one of many things that my older Galaxy Nexus can do that your iPhone simply can't.

At the end of the day, what the damned thing can do is the most important issue...not some bullshiat, contrived, and heavily-marketed notion of aesthetic.

No wonder Apple is a stale, non-innovating, and hence dying company.  It's too busy listening to its cult of devotees and not listening to the rest of the market.


To be fair, you could probably use the internet on your iphone to find out what your altitude is, but I suppose that would be less direct than measuring with your phone

/not a ifanboy
 
2013-04-10 09:46:40 AM

AntonChigger: IntertubeUser: thornhill:
Here's the difference between Apple and everyone else: Apple focuses on functionality (interface, ease of use, etc.), and companies like Samsung are all about bells and whistles. For example: eye-tracking. It's cool, but solves no problem, nobody is going to make the decision to buy one of their products for it, nobody is going to use it.

(That being said, Apple does spend a lot of time on design and the appearance of their products, but you know what, people like owning pretty gadgets. Mock that all you want, but it helps drive sales, and Apple is more profitable than all of their competitors.)

And for all the mocking of the iPhone 5 being a refresh, if you've actually ever held it and then compared to previous iPhones, it's immediately clear how much lighter it is and easier to hold.

Dude...I've held an iPhone.  It's no easier to hold than just about any other smart phone.  And to say that one product is prettier than the other?  Really???

And those bells and whistles ... to the rest of us, those things represent what a phone can do.  My favorite bell and whistle...Samsung's built in barometer sensor which allows for a bunch of meteorological apps and can tell me the altitude when I'm in the mountains.  Just one of many things that my older Galaxy Nexus can do that your iPhone simply can't.

At the end of the day, what the damned thing can do is the most important issue...not some bullshiat, contrived, and heavily-marketed notion of aesthetic.

No wonder Apple is a stale, non-innovating, and hence dying company.  It's too busy listening to its cult of devotees and not listening to the rest of the market.

To be fair, you could probably use the internet on your iphone to find out what your altitude is, but I suppose that would be less direct than measuring with your phone

/not a ifanboy


If you're in the mountains, odds are you don't have a signal.


So.... yeah. Good luck getting that info from the internet w/o "4G" or wifi.
 
2013-04-10 09:51:31 AM

WSUCanuck: AntonChigger: IntertubeUser: thornhill:
Here's the difference between Apple and everyone else: Apple focuses on functionality (interface, ease of use, etc.), and companies like Samsung are all about bells and whistles. For example: eye-tracking. It's cool, but solves no problem, nobody is going to make the decision to buy one of their products for it, nobody is going to use it.

(That being said, Apple does spend a lot of time on design and the appearance of their products, but you know what, people like owning pretty gadgets. Mock that all you want, but it helps drive sales, and Apple is more profitable than all of their competitors.)

And for all the mocking of the iPhone 5 being a refresh, if you've actually ever held it and then compared to previous iPhones, it's immediately clear how much lighter it is and easier to hold.

Dude...I've held an iPhone.  It's no easier to hold than just about any other smart phone.  And to say that one product is prettier than the other?  Really???

And those bells and whistles ... to the rest of us, those things represent what a phone can do.  My favorite bell and whistle...Samsung's built in barometer sensor which allows for a bunch of meteorological apps and can tell me the altitude when I'm in the mountains.  Just one of many things that my older Galaxy Nexus can do that your iPhone simply can't.

At the end of the day, what the damned thing can do is the most important issue...not some bullshiat, contrived, and heavily-marketed notion of aesthetic.

No wonder Apple is a stale, non-innovating, and hence dying company.  It's too busy listening to its cult of devotees and not listening to the rest of the market.

To be fair, you could probably use the internet on your iphone to find out what your altitude is, but I suppose that would be less direct than measuring with your phone

/not a ifanboy

If you're in the mountains, odds are you don't have a signal.


So.... yeah. Good luck getting that info from the internet w/o "4G" or ...


Hah, I guess I didn't even think of that, good point.
 
2013-04-10 10:07:15 AM

thornhill: And for all the mocking of the iPhone 5 being a refresh, if you've actually ever held it and then compared to previous iPhones, it's immediately clear how much lighter it is and easier to hold.


iPhone 5 - 112 grams
iPhone 4S - 137 grams

Difference being 25 grams or .88 ounces if that much weight really makes a difference to you then I feel really sorry for your weak newborn arms.  I would take a phone that is twice as heavy if it gives me a week long charge.
 
2013-04-10 10:13:13 AM

WillofJ2: OriginalGamer: Also, I'm not some Apple evangelist, I do own an iPad and a MacBook Pro...but also have a dedicated Windows gaming box, and a Linux media server, and an Xbox 360.

It just amuses me how often and how hard people rage on Apple. Just use whatever works for you, and who cares what anyone else uses?

Some of the threads turn into wankfests the likes of which I haven't seen since grade school arguments over SNES vs. Genesis.

it was SNES until sega came out with a better controller, then dreamcast and playstation came out and it was all over


Wait? What? I remember the Genesis controllers being utter shiat and since you only had three buttons, I felt a lot of games were crippled because you had to do these weird diagonal up plus C to pull off some moves. SNES may have had some issues, but they had the 3rd party support and all the classic games that have permeated society were on it.
 
2013-04-10 10:33:50 AM
Last week I posted something in an Apple thread saying that the iPhone was a "decent device with a loyal following". I was immediately criticized by a few different Apple fanbois as being a "hater". I can only gather it was because I didn't praise the iPhone as the best device ever created by man. There's a difference between pragmatic assessment and hating, and it seems a lot of Apple loyalists can't tell the difference. Though there is irrational Apple hate on the other side, too. Just less of it, I think, because legitimate criticisms of the device seem to be dismissed immediately by all Apple lovers.

Anyhow, now Apple is trying to partner with Yahoo. C'mon. Really? Yahoo? It's not even its own search engine anymore. Sweet Jesus, when does the partnership with Lycos, Jeeves, and Alta Vista take shape?
 
2013-04-10 10:39:02 AM

StrikitRich: SilentStrider: This headline is bad, and both submitter and the greenlighting admin should feel bad.

I'm still trying to figure out how the iPad Mini, which is still on it's first iteration, is a refresh.


I've got an idea, how about an iPad even smaller than the Mini. And to really blow people's minds we'll make it blue or something. Look how innovative I am.
 
2013-04-10 10:59:37 AM
I thought Yahoo was basically just for fantasy sports.
 
2013-04-10 11:31:23 AM

libranoelrose: OriginalGamer: The numbers for last quarter if anyone cares to read:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/23Apple-Reports-Record-Resul ts .html

"47.8 Million iPhones Sold; 22.9 Million iPads Sold"

"The Company posted record quarterly revenue of $54.5 billion..."


[i.imgur.com image 311x311]

It won't be able to sustain it's business model.


What is Apple's business model and why can't it sustain it?

/ this should be good
 
2013-04-10 11:36:15 AM

IntertubeUser: Publikwerks: That said, the stuff they cram into the Samsung devices don't seem to be game changing.

How do you figure?  Samsung has been steadily gaining marketshare for several years now.  And if my observation about the Samsung Note at school is remotely close to the truth, what does that say about the direction of Apple's popularity?



LIsten, what I'm saying is that for Apple to be dead, you will need to get people to switch. New users make one device more profitable, but since Apple is currently profitable, it's not going anywhere. Being the biggest company in the world, if they maintain their profit margin, they will be just fine. What you need is to get people to stop buying Apple products and move to Android to then make Apple unprofitable, and therefore, signal the downfall of Apple. To do that, you will need a game changer. You will need something that makes Apple users say "Wow, I need that".
 
2013-04-10 11:48:39 AM

Mawson of the Antarctic: WillofJ2: OriginalGamer: Also, I'm not some Apple evangelist, I do own an iPad and a MacBook Pro...but also have a dedicated Windows gaming box, and a Linux media server, and an Xbox 360.

It just amuses me how often and how hard people rage on Apple. Just use whatever works for you, and who cares what anyone else uses?

Some of the threads turn into wankfests the likes of which I haven't seen since grade school arguments over SNES vs. Genesis.

it was SNES until sega came out with a better controller, then dreamcast and playstation came out and it was all over

Wait? What? I remember the Genesis controllers being utter shiat and since you only had three buttons, I felt a lot of games were crippled because you had to do these weird diagonal up plus C to pull off some moves. SNES may have had some issues, but they had the 3rd party support and all the classic games that have permeated society were on it.


Sega had some third party mad catz like controllers and some made by them that were basically snes controllers that made it easier to play and i truly loved the games on it, SNES had some of my all time favs side scrolling action, rpgs, simulators and racing games, but there was something about the way the sega handled and some of the unique games on it that i just always preferred
 
2013-04-10 11:52:47 AM

WillofJ2: Mawson of the Antarctic: WillofJ2: OriginalGamer: Also, I'm not some Apple evangelist, I do own an iPad and a MacBook Pro...but also have a dedicated Windows gaming box, and a Linux media server, and an Xbox 360.

It just amuses me how often and how hard people rage on Apple. Just use whatever works for you, and who cares what anyone else uses?

Some of the threads turn into wankfests the likes of which I haven't seen since grade school arguments over SNES vs. Genesis.

it was SNES until sega came out with a better controller, then dreamcast and playstation came out and it was all over

Wait? What? I remember the Genesis controllers being utter shiat and since you only had three buttons, I felt a lot of games were crippled because you had to do these weird diagonal up plus C to pull off some moves. SNES may have had some issues, but they had the 3rd party support and all the classic games that have permeated society were on it.

Sega had some third party mad catz like controllers and some made by them that were basically snes controllers that made it easier to play and i truly loved the games on it, SNES had some of my all time favs side scrolling action, rpgs, simulators and racing games, but there was something about the way the sega handled and some of the unique games on it that i just always preferred


Co-op comic themed video games, the x-men games on sega were amazing btw
 
2013-04-10 11:56:32 AM

Gig103: Although the 4S was way more uninspired since it didn't even have the increased screen size.


As the owner of an S III, a screen any larger would be a goddamn tablet.
 
2013-04-10 12:02:08 PM
Publikwerks:
LIsten, what I'm saying is that for Apple to be dead, you will need to get people to switch. New users make one device more profitable, but since Apple is currently profitable, it's not going anywhere. Being the biggest company in the world, if they maintain their profit margin, they will be just fine. What you need is to get people to stop buying Apple products and move to Android to then make Apple unprofitable, and therefore, signal the downfall of Apple. To do that, you will need a game changer. You will need something that makes Apple users say "Wow, I need that".

But what I'm saying is that there will never be just ONE game changer.  The technology is simply progressing too fast.  Instead, there will be a bunch of smaller features that people will find useful here and there.  I mentioned the Note and the barometer earlier, and those are selling points...to me (I'd call them game changers but, ultimately, each individual user decides what a game changer really is).  The Samsung phones have featured larger screens than the iPhone for a while now, which is really nice for reading; someone might consider that a game changer.

I'm here defending Samsung, but the technology that I'm really lusting after: The full MS Office Suite on a Note-style phablet device.  And I don't give a damned who makes that first.  Hell, I'm up for giving up any digits or organs that I have more than one of to make that happen.
 
2013-04-10 12:24:28 PM
Frankly I see Apple withering over the next few years unless it makes some significant changes.

I replaced my old first get iPad the other day with a surface (running RT) and so far I am very impressed.  The touch keyboard cover and kickstand are things that are actually very handy on a tablet.  Also USB port!
 
2013-04-10 12:25:44 PM

Gig103: bingethinker: If the iPhone 5 was an uninspired refresh, so is the Galaxy S4.

Yes, the S4 is also an uninspired refresh, I'm not sure people would argue that the way they argue against an iPhone 5 being one. Although the 4S was way more uninspired since it didn't even have the increased screen size. The difference is that way fewer Android people line up to trade in their perfectly functioning phones for refreshes. And without Steve Jobs at the reigns, Apple buyers are starting to wane as well because he was a modern day P.T. Barnum.


notsureifserious.jpg

The S4 has a larger screen, its 5 inches now...
"The Galaxy S4 handset steadily draws from the same design language as the S3, but takes almost every spec to an extreme -- the screen is larger (5 inches), the resolution greater (1080p), the battery capacity higher (2,600mAh), the processor faster (1.9GHz quad-core or 1.6GHz octa-core), and the rear-facing camera stuffed with more megapixels (13, to be exact). "
 
2013-04-10 12:41:15 PM

moistD: The S4 has a larger screen, its 5 inches now...


Oh. I did not realize, my bad.
 
2013-04-10 01:00:21 PM

aintnuttintofarkwith: OK OK... Think now, biatches.

How many people do YOU know that have a competing smartphone that WISH they had an iPhone.

Now, compare that to the amount of people that have an iPhone that WISH they had something else.

Be honest, iHater biatches...


Honestly, all of my friends are using Android phones.  Two of them had iPhones but they didn't care for the small screen so they switched to Android when their contracts expired. One other currently has an iPhone that was given to him by his workplace.  His personal phone is Android based.
 
2013-04-10 01:25:09 PM

IntertubeUser: Publikwerks: That said, the stuff they cram into the Samsung devices don't seem to be game changing.


Really is is Android, but Samsung is the current flagship carrier.
As more smartphones act like a PC, with custom apps, easy file management, and more...
Apple users are feeling more and more limited.

How can you move files around on an Ipad?
Can you move music or movies around your phone without Itunes?
Is it easy?

Android devices can, and easily.
So I can dropbox myself a file, move it out of synch, and then store it on a SD card on the phone.
It is intuitively easy for PC users.
Now ask someone who is not a power apple user to do the same thing on an ipad.

While I load up my phone with movies to watch while on an extended travel trip, my friend has to either buy it through itunes, or jump through hoops. He sees me just download the movies direct from whatever PC they are sitting on.  Meanwhile, he does not know how to turn off itunes Synch and therefore can only move his stuff around with one PC and one iThing connection relationship.

AND the Android phones are all CHEAPER.

I loved my friends iPhones and my daughters iPod Touch.
Until cheaper alternatives allowed the same experience and then some.

My daughter loved her ipod touch. Now she wants a Galaxy S3 used.
I don't even have to worry about a service carrier, as she only uses them wirelessly.

Apple has penned themselves in with a closed, and expensive, system.
Soon the iThings will go the same way as the MacOs items (desktops, laptops).
It will be trending down the same path as all the other Apple products across the decades.
 
2013-04-10 01:27:14 PM

Bruxellensis: Gig103: Although the 4S was way more uninspired since it didn't even have the increased screen size.

As the owner of an S III, a screen any larger would be a goddamn tablet.


This. And my girlfriends IPhone (whole phone) fits into the screen size of my S3.
She was a DIEHARD Apple fan, she uses my phone all the time now.
 
2013-04-10 01:54:44 PM
And this is why I bought Yahoo stock when it was really really cheap.

The recent increase in price, however, is obviously due to insider trading. I figure all the good money has been made due to the fact the article was published. I predict a quick bloaty run up then an Indian food power-dump correction.
 
2013-04-10 02:08:41 PM
Why is this a surprise to anyone?  Years ago, in the heady days of iPhone 3, 4, 4S, and the like (you know, when Steve Jobs was still alive), basic apps for checking on stocks and weather were already powered by Yahoo!

Frankly, I expected some greater tie-up sooner.  I think it's a good move for both companies.

/Android fan
//Nexus 4
///But I have no hatred for Apple products, and I don't get the hate.
 
2013-04-10 02:22:41 PM

bingethinker: If the iPhone 5 was an uninspired refresh, so is the Galaxy S4. And how can the iPad mini be a "refresh" when they didn't sell one before?


Hmm, let's see:
GS4: slightly larger.  GS3: screen's still larger than i5.
GS4: larger battery.  GS3: smaller than GS4
GS4: IR Port for controlling your TV.
GS4: Near-screen finger detection to use some features if your hands are dirty.
GS3+4: NFC based pairing / sharing for stupidly easy media sharing (i.e. Group Play)

Can you name some things that weren't just updates of earlier software between the 4 S and 5, especially ones that can't be done without extra hardware?

If so, at the very least, the S4/S3 update is less uninspired then the equivalent i series update... and even then, the S3 still had features the i series phones still don't have.
 
2013-04-10 03:07:49 PM

aintnuttintofarkwith: OK OK... Think now, biatches.

How many people do YOU know that have a competing smartphone that WISH they had an iPhone.

Now, compare that to the amount of people that have an iPhone that WISH they had something else.

Be honest, iHater biatches...


Zero and zero, respectively.  That was even stupider than a typical Youtube comment.  Well done.
 
2013-04-10 03:08:53 PM
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/05/03/apple_now_earning_73_of_glo b al_mobile_profits_with_just_88_unit_share
http://bgr.com/2013/03/04/iphone-5-sales-2013-canaccord-359306/
http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/23/apple-announces-q1-2013-earnings/

Yep, Apple is doomed.

All the people who hate Apple and think it is failing need to join a circus.
The contortions and twists you have to go through to arrive at that conclusion are amazing.
 
2013-04-10 03:15:27 PM

Bruxellensis: Gig103: Although the 4S was way more uninspired since it didn't even have the increased screen size.

As the owner of an S III, a screen any larger would be a goddamn tablet.


Pretty much this.  I really wanted the S III last time I was ready to upgrade.  But there was no way I was carrying that thing around.  Belt clip?  What is this, 2002?  I ended up with a much smaller budget Android smartphone.

/csb
 
2013-04-10 04:01:14 PM
http://blogs.barrons.com/focusonfunds/2012/04/26/gundlach-says-apples - peaked/

By the way, this guy (Jeff Gundlatch) was right. He started shorting aapl early last year and said they'd fall below $425 in the coming year and he said it in print. They were trading at almost $700 at the time. They hit $423 at some point yesterday. If he has a newsletter you might consider subscribing to it. To everyone who cites profits - that's great. No one said they were going out of business. But stock price is about profit GROWTH, not just profit. Aapl's profit growth has slowed rapidly in the last three years. Great company. But there's way better growth opportunities out there.
 
2013-04-10 04:04:06 PM

Herr Flick's Revenge: All the people who hate Apple and think it is failing need to join a circus.
The contortions and twists you have to go through to arrive at that conclusion are amazing.


This has been happening since the 1990s. What goes up must come down, so predicting the demise of a very successful company is a sure bet. You can always just say you were off about the timing.
 
2013-04-10 04:12:34 PM

Gig103: he was a modern day P.T. Barnum.


cdn.3news.co.nz
"Roll up, roll up. Come an get yer luvverly iPhone. I`ve licked every one of them. Only five hundred million left. Be the first to gaze in wonder at the static icons. White is cool. No really, it is! I`m wearing white now!"
 
2013-04-10 04:17:11 PM

Herr Flick's Revenge: All the people who hate Apple and think it is failing need to join a circus.


I honestly haven't seen anyone claiming aapl will fail. I just want everyone to understand that it's perfectly fine to love your laptop or phone and admit that the stock does not look as attractive as it once did - or even at all under some circumstances. You got the company and you have the stock. Not the same thing. Apple is one of the most successful companies of all time. But the stock of late has been moribund even as the broad market advances. I choose not to overweight a stock when there's much better growth opportunities out there. Call me a hater if you want but I just want to make money. I'd buy Jim Bob's Wholesale Swastikas (JBWS on the big board) if I thought the share price would go up.
 
2013-04-10 04:22:50 PM

bingethinker: If the iPhone 5 was an uninspired refresh, so is the Galaxy S4. And how can the iPad mini be a "refresh" when they didn't sell one before?

Yes, Jobs is dead. You got one fact right there, so you're above average for the iHater Squad.


How exactly is the Galaxy S4 an uninspired refresh? If true, isn't the Galaxy S3 just a refresh of the S2 and S?

Phone hardware (Samsung) doesn't need to change. The software (Android) is what should be, and is, changing. In the case of the GS4, the whole eye tracking thing is pretty huge and whatever changes Android has for Key Lime Pie will be too.
 
2013-04-10 04:43:43 PM

ActualFarkal: Maybe I'm wrong here, but Yahoo is still number 4 on the most visited websites in the galaxy according to Alexa.

So either Alexa is a lying liar or Apple is reaching out to the grandmas and plebians who still live on dial-up and still think Yahoo is a thing.

/the entire endeavor is ill-sighted
//my android phone defaults to a yahoo site
///not for lack of trying


Apple's core customer group is the technologically illiterate, so going after AOL and Yahoo integration would indeed be a good thing.
 
2013-04-10 04:49:40 PM

OriginalGamer: Also, I'm not some Apple evangelist, I do own an iPad and a MacBook Pro...but also have a dedicated Windows gaming box, and a Linux media server, and an Xbox 360.

It just amuses me how often and how hard people rage on Apple. Just use whatever works for you, and who cares what anyone else uses?

Some of the threads turn into wankfests the likes of which I haven't seen since grade school arguments over SNES vs. Genesis.


Response to bolded: because if Apple had their way, no other phone would be allowed to be sold in the USA. They don't want people to have choices.
 
2013-04-10 04:54:22 PM

Norfolking Chance: If you actually know Apples ways of doing things and not just parroting the same tired talking points you would know Apple always has a back up or two for every outside supplier. When Apple was using PowerPC processors they had OSX running on intel chips, when they used Nvidia graphics they made sure Ati chips worked etc etc.

So they are doing what they have always done and made sure that if they needed or wanted to replace google products quickly they could.

/Apple make tech for non techies
//You may care about MHz and cores, people care about if they can use it


Yeah! They really showed that to the world with Apple Maps. Until they had to publicly apologize and whatnot.
 
2013-04-10 04:55:48 PM

JohnBigBootay: http://blogs.barrons.com/focusonfunds/2012/04/26/gundlach-says-apples - peaked/

By the way, this guy (Jeff Gundlatch) was right. He started shorting aapl early last year and said they'd fall below $425 in the coming year and he said it in print. They were trading at almost $700 at the time. They hit $423 at some point yesterday. If he has a newsletter you might consider subscribing to it. To everyone who cites profits - that's great. No one said they were going out of business. But stock price is about profit GROWTH, not just profit. Aapl's profit growth has slowed rapidly in the last three years. Great company. But there's way better growth opportunities out there.


AAPL is currently thrashing around and going sideways in the mid 420's to mid 430's as the growth investors get out and the value investors get in.  It may not hit the 700's again anytime soon but I don't think it's a high risk play at this point.  Might not go up in value as fast as some other stocks either.  YMMV
 
2013-04-10 04:57:09 PM

Publikwerks: IntertubeUser: Apple's best days are behind it.  Samsung crams more things into their smart phones and they aren't trapped by the bizarre, goofy ideals of Jobs.  Case in point...the Note series.  Steve Jobs swore that no Apple product would ever have a stylus.  With that decision, Apple was vulnerable with the college market; I'm seeing more and more Samsung Notes (and Microsoft Surface Pros) on college campuses.

(And, before someone says that it's faster to type than to write...that's true...until you take a college math class.  Or have to draw diagrams.)

The legendary Steve Jobs ego, carried on by less-capable leadership, will be Apple's undoing.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a more accurate stylus on Apple devices. That said, the stuff they cram into the Samsung devices don't seem to be game changing. And to get people to drop the investment in apps and whatnot to change devices, it has to be a game changer.


Apps are free on Android. No cost to switch.

Apple's share is at 20% or so and shrinking.
 
2013-04-10 04:57:13 PM

JohnBigBootay: I honestly haven't seen anyone claiming aapl will fail.


There's at least two or three in this thread.

/blinded by the hate
 
2013-04-10 05:00:24 PM

Bullseyed: Apps are free on Android. No cost to switch.


????  I have an Android phone and there's a lot of apps in Play Store that aren't free.
 
2013-04-10 05:08:49 PM

aintnuttintofarkwith: OK OK... Think now, biatches.

How many people do YOU know that have a competing smartphone that WISH they had an iPhone.

Now, compare that to the amount of people that have an iPhone that WISH they had something else.

Be honest, iHater biatches...


Did Apple hire some more internet posters? I don't remember there being this many foulmouthed childen fanbois on Fark a few months ago...
 
2013-04-10 05:10:40 PM

thornhill: For example: eye-tracking. It's cool, but solves no problem, nobody is going to make the decision to buy one of their products for it, nobody is going to use it.


Except for every single person who takes a bus, subway or train to work. They need their other hand for holding on and can't necessarily scroll up and down the screen.
 
2013-04-10 05:12:40 PM

thornhill: And for all the mocking of the iPhone 5 being a refresh, if you've actually ever held it and then compared to previous iPhones, it's immediately clear how much lighter it is and easier to hold.


But Apple claimed they had done the science and 3.5 inches was the perfect size to be held in your hand. Are you calling Steve Jobs a liar?


Also worth noting that "lighter" and "thinner" are attributes of a refresh.


Personally I'd prefer my phone to be heavier and thicker, because that means it has a bigger battery. The Galaxy S4 battery is more than twice the size of the iPhone 5 battery.
 
2013-04-10 05:15:24 PM

stuhayes2010: Marmilman: OriginalGamer: The numbers for last quarter if anyone cares to read:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/23Apple-Reports-Record-Resul ts .html

"47.8 Million iPhones Sold; 22.9 Million iPads Sold"

"The Company posted record quarterly revenue of $54.5 billion..."


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There is no farking way Apple is worth more than Microsoft and Google combined.

A quick google search:  Microsoft earned 20billion, google 14 billion last quarter.  So, math says Apple is bigger than those two combined.  But don't let math get in the way of your Apple hate rant.


Do you not know the difference between worth, earnings and revenue? The guy you quoted said worth (market capitalization, Apple's stock is vastly overvalued), he was quoting a post that was directly about Apple's revenue and you responded with info about earnings (or profit) for two other companies.

/shakes head
 
2013-04-10 05:41:53 PM

Irving Maimway: Up next, integrating AOL and Netscape.


I wouldn't mind a Netscape icon on my iPhone. Maybe a Winsock32 icon to sit next to it for fun
 
2013-04-10 06:34:18 PM

extroverted_suicide: Bruxellensis: Gig103: Although the 4S was way more uninspired since it didn't even have the increased screen size.

As the owner of an S III, a screen any larger would be a goddamn tablet.

Pretty much this.  I really wanted the S III last time I was ready to upgrade.  But there was no way I was carrying that thing around.  Belt clip?  What is this, 2002?  I ended up with a much smaller budget Android smartphone.

/csb


Really? My S3 is perfect in size. Fits easy in the hand and can easily slide in and out of my pocket. I'm not sure how small your pockets are but you don't need a belt clip for the S3
 
2013-04-10 07:09:33 PM

relaxitsjustme: AAPL is currently thrashing around and going sideways in the mid 420's to mid 430's as the growth investors get out and the value investors get in. It may not hit the 700's again anytime soon but I don't think it's a high risk play at this point. Might not go up in value as fast as some other stocks either. YMMV


It's a fine stock and it's fairly valued. I wouldn't call it cheap yet but I don't think it goes down much from here. Unless they have a bad (for them) quarter. It just boggles my mind how little people understand this shiat. The vast majority of stock trades are done by a farking computer program. The people running those computers just want to make money. Apple hate simply doesn't have a got damn thing to do with it. It's frankly immaterial how many farking billion you made in profit. What's material is which way the trend is slanted. Of late apple's profit growth has been in the wrong direction - that in no way means they aren't profitable. Their profit growth the last three years has been something like 70, 40'ish, then around 11 or something like that - I ain't looking it up, but close enough for these purposes. That's a picture of a big giant money tanker rapidly slowing. they could turn it around but they need a huge product in the pipeline to do it. They're simply finding out what all the giants of the past have already discovered - when you are that farking huge and that farking profitable, at some point it becomes nearly impossible to achieve profit growth. It's entirely predictable and I have no idea why people get so bent out of shape about it. It's. a. stock.
 
2013-04-10 07:26:58 PM

OriginalGamer: The numbers for last quarter if anyone cares to read:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/23Apple-Reports-Record-Resul ts .html

"47.8 Million iPhones Sold; 22.9 Million iPads Sold"

"The Company posted record quarterly revenue of $54.5 billion..."


At the start of the eighties IBM was bigger than the next fifty computer companies combined. They started the PC era. They dominated the PC market. Then....

Everyone has their day.
 
2013-04-10 07:45:12 PM

BHShaman: IntertubeUser: Publikwerks: That said, the stuff they cram into the Samsung devices don't seem to be game changing.

Really is is Android, but Samsung is the current flagship carrier.
As more smartphones act like a PC, with custom apps, easy file management, and more...
Apple users are feeling more and more limited.

How can you move files around on an Ipad?
Can you move music or movies around your phone without Itunes?
Is it easy?

Android devices can, and easily.
So I can dropbox myself a file, move it out of synch, and then store it on a SD card on the phone.
It is intuitively easy for PC users.
Now ask someone who is not a power apple user to do the same thing on an ipad.

While I load up my phone with movies to watch while on an extended travel trip, my friend has to either buy it through itunes, or jump through hoops. He sees me just download the movies direct from whatever PC they are sitting on.  Meanwhile, he does not know how to turn off itunes Synch and therefore can only move his stuff around with one PC and one iThing connection relationship.

AND the Android phones are all CHEAPER.

I loved my friends iPhones and my daughters iPod Touch.
Until cheaper alternatives allowed the same experience and then some.

My daughter loved her ipod touch. Now she wants a Galaxy S3 used.
I don't even have to worry about a service carrier, as she only uses them wirelessly.

Apple has penned themselves in with a closed, and expensive, system.
Soon the iThings will go the same way as the MacOs items (desktops, laptops).
It will be trending down the same path as all the other Apple products across the decades.


How I set any song on my HTC one x as my ringtone: Find song. Click Menu. Click Set as ringtone.

How to set a song on an iPhone as ringtone: Buy ringtone from iTunes or carry out five minute long process explained on numerous YouTube videos.
 
2013-04-10 08:15:56 PM

OriginalGamer: The numbers for last quarter if anyone cares to read:

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/23Apple-Reports-Record-Resul ts .html

"47.8 Million iPhones Sold; 22.9 Million iPads Sold"

"The Company posted record quarterly revenue of $54.5 billion..."


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innovation
Their current user  base is old enough to remember the last release.  That is how.  Notice how we are all rushing to PT Barnum.com?  Same.  They and possibly yourself are stupid enough assholes to steal unix and then re-invent every device over the past 20 years and then make MS blush at patent trolling.  Yeah, they rock.  Wrong thread.  Just put freebsd or macpup on  a laptop and writeback.
 
2013-04-10 09:03:20 PM
NEXT UP: Microsoft, in an effort to keep up with Apple's Yahoo efforts, drops Bing and teams with AOL for the new Windows Phone.
 
2013-04-10 10:29:52 PM
I really don't care.  Apply fanyboyz be annoyin'.
 
2013-04-11 03:04:59 AM

bingethinker: If the iPhone 5 was an uninspired refresh, so is the Galaxy S4. And how can the iPad mini be a "refresh" when they didn't sell one before?

Yes, Jobs is dead. You got one fact right there, so you're above average for the iHater Squad.


And here you are with that tripe as usual. Do you do anything but bash Android fans and uphold the reality distortion field?
 
2013-04-11 04:39:47 AM
Apple is first or second to market, dominates for awhile, and fades away.  This will happen again despite their large bank of $$$.
Apple led the microcomputer market -- and then IBM introduced the PC and Apple faded into the education niche.
Apple then came out with Macintosh which dominated the GUI market and desktop publishing market -- and then Microsoft and PC manufacturers took over and Apple sunk again into near obscurity.
Just when Apple was about to die, Saint Steve returned to Apple and pulled six miracles out of his ass -- the iPod, competitive well designed IMacs, OSX, the iPhone, the iPad, and the App Store.
Each of these advantages have been or will be destroyed -- by Amazon, Google, Samsung, and other competitors.  At some point the tech is commoditized, competitors catch up on features, and people will chose by price and whatever their peers are using.  Except for a small percentage, no one will choose to pay the Apple premium any more.
Each of the past successes  were driven by the genius and drive of Steve Jobs (in collaboration with Wozniak, the Mac team, the NeXT team, Ives, and others).
John Cook is no Steve Jobs.    Despite Jobs' hope to leave s legacy, here will be no further miracles from Apple and they will fade away a final time.
 
2013-04-11 10:46:24 AM

Feepit: log_jammin: ActualFarkal: Yahoo is still number 4 on the most visited websites in the galaxy according to Alexa.

That honestly surprised me.

Website rankings in Alexa by type:

1. Search engines: Google, Yahoo, Bing, Live, Baidu, etc
2. Social Media: Facebook, Twitter, Tumblrm, Blogspot
3. Beginning at #35 - What The Internet Is For.

I am genuinely surprised the first pron site was so low in the rankings. o_o


Its because there are so many that no single site has a large market share.
 
2013-04-11 10:47:17 AM

wholedamnshow: aintnuttintofarkwith: OK OK... Think now, biatches.

How many people do YOU know that have a competing smartphone that WISH they had an iPhone.

Now, compare that to the amount of people that have an iPhone that WISH they had something else.

Be honest, iHater biatches...

I know three people that switched from Android to iPhone
I know at least five that switched from iPhone to Android.
A whole bunch of my coworkers recently either got their first smartphone or are coming off of BlackBerry and they all got a GS3 or a Note 2.


The lesson is most people are morons and think anything other than what they have is better.
 
2013-04-11 10:57:38 AM

relaxitsjustme: Bullseyed: Apps are free on Android. No cost to switch.

????  I have an Android phone and there's a lot of apps in Play Store that aren't free.


You can choose to pay... or just root the phone.

And there are no "must have" apps that cost money.
 
2013-04-11 12:07:22 PM

Bullseyed: relaxitsjustme: Bullseyed: Apps are free on Android. No cost to switch.

????  I have an Android phone and there's a lot of apps in Play Store that aren't free.

You can choose to pay... or just root the phone.

And there are no "must have" apps that cost money.


I would argue that swift key is a must have.
 
2013-04-11 06:16:11 PM

Bullseyed: The lesson is most people are morons and think anything other than what they have is better.


It is ironic that the fact that they are morons means that they are probably right.
 
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