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2013-04-10 07:46:51 AM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: Ishkur: So its Halo meets Mass Effect meets Dune meets District 9 meets Battle Angel Alita.

I'm glad someone pointed out the conceptual debt that trailer owes Mass Effect.




Mass effect owes its conceptual debts to Sid Mead, Arthur C. Clark, issac Asimov.
Most modern fiction is written in the mold of previous masterpieces. Its difficult to find something truly original anymore.
 
2013-04-10 07:47:56 AM  
Finally - Jodie Foster in a movie I want to see.  I don't think it's happened since Contact.  For the record, she looks great.  Don't know what it is, but I've always had a thing for her.  Not sure I'd undergo gender reassignment to have a chance with her, but she always seemed very cool.
 
2013-04-10 07:55:04 AM  

Niveras: I'm not seeing the Dune. I'm only familiar with the first three books, but then most everyone just ignores the rest anyway (if they don't focus only on the first to begin with).

I don't see a messiah-emperor, a man trying to prevent a terrible future (or causing that future in order to prevent something even worse), an addictive mystical life-prolonging drug, a secretive society attempting to breed a god, a low-tech yet galaxy-spanning empire, or a theme that high technology is evil. The Earth-bounded poor may parallel the Fremen but only superficially. Dune doesn't even carry a theme of oppression by the oligarchy (except possibly the Harkonnen), despite the feudal political system: the Corrino Empire wasn't particularly oppressive, at least in any way that's described in the books, and really the Atreides Empire was worse in that regard. Even Duke Leto specifically encourages certain propaganda in order to control his population - obviously it can be assumed that all the ruling houses do this, but if even an ostensibly virtuous figure like the Duke would rely on manipulation to serve his ends, well...

So what am I missing that references Dune? Perhaps something that I don't really consider important to the Dune story, but more likely something really basic that makes me really stupid not to see it.


So, I'm in the minority then that my favourite books in the Dune series are set in the far future, after God Emperor?
 
2013-04-10 07:55:23 AM  
I love that they are still using AK-47s in the year 2154.  Actually, they probably will be, seriously.
 
2013-04-10 07:58:23 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: tchau: Looking forward to it, but totally can't relate to the story in the trailer.

"They have what we can't have, so lets go blow their shiat up"

That story may be in the movie but it isn't in the trailer.

The story in the trailer is "they have what we can't AND let's go blow their shiat up." That's a very different story.


I would hope that there is some reasoning involved. I can't imagine a space station full of people who enjoy the finer things would be self-sufficient. Maybe the wealthy are extracting all the resources from Earth to support the station. The peons just have to try to find work supplying the station. That's how I would do it, anyway.

Not sure what the deal is with the eco-skeleton.
 
2013-04-10 08:07:58 AM  
In the future really rich people live off-world and earth is a slum? How original!

Andy yet another movie where some black market gun dealer happens to have a super high tech weapon sitting behind the counter, ready to be sold to the guy wanting to start a revolution. What would people do without these arm dealers?
 
2013-04-10 08:08:12 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Love D9, but the "in the future, the 1% live in perfect health and luxury while the 99% starve in ruins" trope is so played out. Visually this looks amazing but the premise (based on what's revealed in the trailer) is overdone.


Right, so Dark Knight Rises, and um.... uh.... well there's gotta be at least 1 other one right? hmm....

/this looks awesome
//except Damon's suit makes him look/act like an Engineer from Borderlands 2. Kept expecting him to have huge glasses on
 
2013-04-10 08:08:26 AM  

thisone: Niveras: I'm not seeing the Dune. I'm only familiar with the first three books, but then most everyone just ignores the rest anyway (if they don't focus only on the first to begin with).

I don't see a messiah-emperor, a man trying to prevent a terrible future (or causing that future in order to prevent something even worse), an addictive mystical life-prolonging drug, a secretive society attempting to breed a god, a low-tech yet galaxy-spanning empire, or a theme that high technology is evil. The Earth-bounded poor may parallel the Fremen but only superficially. Dune doesn't even carry a theme of oppression by the oligarchy (except possibly the Harkonnen), despite the feudal political system: the Corrino Empire wasn't particularly oppressive, at least in any way that's described in the books, and really the Atreides Empire was worse in that regard. Even Duke Leto specifically encourages certain propaganda in order to control his population - obviously it can be assumed that all the ruling houses do this, but if even an ostensibly virtuous figure like the Duke would rely on manipulation to serve his ends, well...

So what am I missing that references Dune? Perhaps something that I don't really consider important to the Dune story, but more likely something really basic that makes me really stupid not to see it.

So, I'm in the minority then that my favourite books in the Dune series are set in the far future, after God Emperor?


You're not alone, but I'm not seeing it either.

I thought Neuromancer, myself.
 
2013-04-10 08:09:49 AM  

sure haven't: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Love D9, but the "in the future, the 1% live in perfect health and luxury while the 99% starve in ruins" trope is so played out. Visually this looks amazing but the premise (based on what's revealed in the trailer) is overdone.

Right, so Dark Knight Rises, and um.... uh.... well there's gotta be at least 1 other one right? hmm....

/this looks awesome
//except Damon's suit makes him look/act like an Engineer from Borderlands 2. Kept expecting him to have huge glasses on


Oh, Hunger Games of course.
Let's see here... how many things must there be of something for it to be "so played out"?
 
2013-04-10 08:13:54 AM  

thornhill: In the future really rich people live off-world and earth is a slum? How original!

Please name these other movies. Would like to have an Earth-slum movie marathon.

 
2013-04-10 08:14:10 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Love D9, but the "in the future, the 1% live in perfect health and luxury while the 99% starve in ruins" trope is so played out. Visually this looks amazing but the premise (based on what's revealed in the trailer) is overdone.


Or to put it another way, "look how 99% of us completely fall apart without the loving care and guidance of the uber-wealthy."

Would be a much more interesting story to show how Elisium devolved into a self-sabotaging hell-in-space while the Earth returned to the earth.
 
2013-04-10 08:15:41 AM  
Still pissed Blokamp didn't get to do the Star Wars remake.  Sharlto Copley would have been an awesome  Han Solo.
 
2013-04-10 08:16:20 AM  
Looks like Firefly with a monster budget.
 
2013-04-10 08:27:54 AM  
I submitted this with a way better headline.......

And yes, it's going to be fantastic. I've got hope for "Oblivion" as well, but not much.
 
2013-04-10 08:30:31 AM  
I think everything made in the last 3000 years is a cheap derivative tired knockoff of Gilgamesh .    I'm much more cooler and jaded and above it all than you.  What do I win?
 
2013-04-10 08:32:00 AM  

GameSprocket: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: tchau: Looking forward to it, but totally can't relate to the story in the trailer.

"They have what we can't have, so lets go blow their shiat up"

That story may be in the movie but it isn't in the trailer.

The story in the trailer is "they have what we can't AND let's go blow their shiat up." That's a very different story.

I would hope that there is some reasoning involved. I can't imagine a space station full of people who enjoy the finer things would be self-sufficient. Maybe the wealthy are extracting all the resources from Earth to support the station. The peons just have to try to find work supplying the station. That's how I would do it, anyway.

Not sure what the deal is with the eco-skeleton.


Yeah, I would expect a reason, I'm just saying the trailer doesn't explain what it is. Which is fine with me.
 
2013-04-10 08:36:25 AM  

InmanRoshi: I think everything made in the last 3000 years is a cheap derivative tired knockoff of Gilgamesh .    I'm much more cooler and jaded and above it all than you.  What do I win?


Predator > Gilgamesh
 
2013-04-10 08:36:47 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: I like how the slums of earth resemble those in District 9.


Yeah, Blokamp seems to really like the "futuristic-apartheid" theme in his movies.  That's not a complaint, by the way.  Just an observation.
 
2013-04-10 08:40:30 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Nadie_AZ: Dune, Halo, and a few others. I'm in.

That's what I thought. That very first shot of Elysium and I said "wow, that looks like a Halo." If Blomkamp can't make the Halo movie, he'll damn sure include references to it.

Blomkamp has done no wrong so far, so this will be a Day 1 for sure.

/Please let it be rated R


You mean a Ringworld?
 
2013-04-10 08:41:54 AM  
Cranial implants and boobie lights, oh my!  I can't wait.
 
2013-04-10 09:01:07 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: tchau: Looking forward to it, but totally can't relate to the story in the trailer.

"They have what we can't have, so lets go blow their shiat up"

That story may be in the movie but it isn't in the trailer.

The story in the trailer is "they have what we can't AND let's go blow their shiat up." That's a very different story.


Usually in stories like this, it's a rescue of either tech (or vaccine) or a special person (a love interest or one who can solve issues like an ambassador)
How important that MacGuffin(sp) is to Act 3 varies depending on how well the plot is designed.
With this director, the workings here are part of the marketing buildup, because of the mindfark that was his first movie.
Even still (if it's a generic trope) it's not the trope but how it's told.
For example, this particular director is just as likely to show us a great movie, but end the movie with the status quo of the dystopia unchanged.
That would show guts.

The mech suit is some device for some cool special effects as our hero has to battle known and unknown defenses of the station.
I would expect at least a little time in the vacuum of space in a critical scene.

Here's MY question: When hero meets boss lady, is she super villainess with mechanical henchmen or victim of the system?
What stakes does our villainess have in this? The quality of the villain is important to the show.

If she's just a talking head with a gun to the head of hero, then blah.
 
2013-04-10 09:10:13 AM  

SVenus: Here's MY question: When hero meets boss lady, is she super villainess with mechanical henchmen or victim of the system?
What stakes does our villainess have in this? The quality of the villain is important to the show.


Based on previous work and who has writing credits for this, a lot of people are going to walk out of that theater with a meh while us film aficionados are going to give it a stand ovation.

Which depresses me to the nth degree on how far the standards of the general viewing public have fallen.
 
2013-04-10 09:12:26 AM  
Let's see -

Prawns - Robots
Spaceship - Space habitat
Slums - Slums
Black Oil - ???

What am I missing?
 
2013-04-10 09:20:43 AM  

sure haven't: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Love D9, but the "in the future, the 1% live in perfect health and luxury while the 99% starve in ruins" trope is so played out. Visually this looks amazing but the premise (based on what's revealed in the trailer) is overdone.

Right, so Dark Knight Rises, and um.... uh.... well there's gotta be at least 1 other one right? hmm....

/this looks awesome
//except Damon's suit makes him look/act like an Engineer from Borderlands 2. Kept expecting him to have huge glasses on


So halfway through the movie he gets killed by the Gunzerker with assault rifles that shoot acid and lightning, and then the rest of the movie is a Borderlands movie?

/I'm ok with this
//Elysium looks awesome
 
2013-04-10 09:43:07 AM  
i36.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-10 09:51:56 AM  
MyKingdomForYourHorse: Based on previous work and who has writing credits for this, a lot of people are going to walk out of that theater with a meh while us film aficionados are going to give it a stand ovation.

Which depresses me to the nth degree on how far the standards of the general viewing public have fallen.


Some stories don't need a $12 movie ticket price tag.
Would "Oblivion" work without Tom Cruise?
Would "John Carter" have worked WITH Tom Cruise?
Some stories need help attracting people to the story without giving away the story.

I received the first Game Of Thrones book in hardcover before it was published.  Read 150 pages.  Put it down, never picked it back up.
Liked the story, hated the author's style.  That's just me.
(later sold collectible book for $300 on Ebay)

Even if it's a good story, not every one wins the day. If you follow an author, not every story they write has the same quality as the one that won them fame.
 
2013-04-10 09:53:57 AM  

SVenus: Even if it's a good story, not every one wins the day. If you follow an author, not every story they write has the same quality as the one that won them fame.


Fair enough statement
 
2013-04-10 09:54:49 AM  

Decillion: thornhill: In the future really rich people live off-world and earth is a slum? How original!

Please name these other movies. Would like to have an Earth-slum movie marathon.


upload.wikimedia.org

liztellsfrank.files.wordpress.com

upload.wikimedia.org

/I didn't say they were all GOOD movies
 
2013-04-10 09:58:28 AM  

Ishkur: So its Halo meets Mass Effect meets Dune meets District 9 meets Battle Angel Alita.


No Story is original. Deal with it.
 
2013-04-10 10:06:40 AM  
Anyone else getting a Metal Gear Solid cyborg Raiden vibe from Sharlto Copley? He's got the mechanized suit and pulls a sword, I'm kinda into new tech and old mixing.

/Revengance wasn't so bad, I guess
 
2013-04-10 10:08:15 AM  
Exploding metal CGI and wub wub music. Looks like Transformers.
 
2013-04-10 10:08:18 AM  

Ecobuckeye: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Love D9, but the "in the future, the 1% live in perfect health and luxury while the 99% starve in ruins" trope is so played out. Visually this looks amazing but the premise (based on what's revealed in the trailer) is overdone.

Or to put it another way, "look how 99% of us completely fall apart without the loving care and guidance of the uber-wealthy."

Would be a much more interesting story to show how Elisium devolved into a self-sabotaging hell-in-space while the Earth returned to the earth.


That would pretty much be a Bioshock movie.
 
2013-04-10 10:10:06 AM  
looks awesome. D9 was brilliant. needs more sharlto copley, though.
 
2013-04-10 10:12:06 AM  

Decillion: toyotaboy: [oaklandnorth.net image 620x415]
abandoned our own planet so the lower class can fight it out?  yea, sounds about right


This will be the most accurate future prediction movie OF ALL TIME. The 99% see the trailer and say, "Meh, this societal separation thing in movies is played out." The 1% see it and say, "Is this happening, are they working on this tech? Where do I sign up?"


Keep walking that high road class warrior. As an American, you're the 1% of the world.
 
2013-04-10 10:13:02 AM  

ReaverZ: Popcorn Johnny: I like how the slums of earth resemble those in District 9.

Slums the world round tend to look alike.


And this was filmed in a landfill outside Mexico City.
 
Bf+
2013-04-10 10:18:40 AM  
i.ytimg.com
 
2013-04-10 10:20:23 AM  
Seeing as District 9 was fantastic, I have high hopes for this. However, the trailer doesn't get me hopeful. It looks gorgeous but will the plot actually make sense or will it go the Whedonesque route of "as long as we're anti-establishment, it's all good" hand-waiving as an excuse for conflict?
 
2013-04-10 10:22:42 AM  

jaybeezey: Decillion: toyotaboy: [oaklandnorth.net image 620x415]
abandoned our own planet so the lower class can fight it out?  yea, sounds about right


This will be the most accurate future prediction movie OF ALL TIME. The 99% see the trailer and say, "Meh, this societal separation thing in movies is played out." The 1% see it and say, "Is this happening, are they working on this tech? Where do I sign up?"

Keep walking that high road class warrior. As an American, you're the 1% of the world.


If this were the 60's, sure. Wealth distribution has shifted quite a bit since then. Not that the U.S. still isn't top dog, just not "look at my f'ing island from your slum" top anymore.
 
2013-04-10 10:22:52 AM  
When did Matt Damon turn into Bruce Willis 20 years ago?
 
2013-04-10 10:23:24 AM  
Yep, I'd pay to watch it. And the sad part. It looks like the world really is going in that direction. A small few get the cream, the rest of us put up with sh*t.


...never fails to surprise me how much of history was created by marginalization and pent up class frustration.
 
2013-04-10 10:23:48 AM  
Oh great, another Space Nutter "this mud ball is doomed" wankfest. As if the "technology" to build this floating paradise can't be used right here first...
/This is your religion, folks, like it or not
 
2013-04-10 10:24:27 AM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: Ishkur: So its Halo meets Mass Effect meets Dune meets District 9 meets Battle Angel Alita.

I'm glad someone pointed out the conceptual debt that trailer owes Mass Effect

Syd Mead.

FTFY.
 
2013-04-10 10:26:44 AM  
Ettore Bugatti wants his logo back (ripoff of iconic backwards E-B @ 1:58).
 
2013-04-10 10:27:23 AM  
I'll add to  Bf+'s sentiment

fashionablygeek.com
 
2013-04-10 10:34:08 AM  

indarwinsshadow: Yep, I'd pay to watch it. And the sad part. It looks like the world really is going in that direction. A small few get the cream, the rest of us put up with sh*t.


...never fails to surprise me how much of history was created by marginalization and pent up class frustration.


Seems to be a bit of a conflict here.
 
2013-04-10 10:35:46 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Love D9, but the "in the future, the 1% live in perfect health and luxury while the 99% starve in ruins" trope is so played out. Visually this looks amazing but the premise (based on what's revealed in the trailer) is overdone.


you're actually retarded, aren't you?
 
2013-04-10 10:39:52 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Oh great, another Space Nutter "this mud ball is doomed" wankfest. As if the "technology" to build this floating paradise can't be used right here first...
/This is your religion, folks, like it or not


i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-04-10 10:47:38 AM  
indarwinsshadow: 
...never fails to surprise me how much of history was created by marginalization and pent up class frustration.

Amazing how much fiction and art have been driven by it as well.    It's amazing how many Cheetos stained fingers on the intrawebbings believe Hollywood just picked up on this meme recently. It's called Dickensian  for a reason.
 
2013-04-10 10:51:39 AM  
I'm kind of getting a Ace Ventura vibe from it.  I can't believe no one else has picked that up.
 
2013-04-10 10:59:10 AM  

Primitive Screwhead: Quantum Apostrophe: Oh great, another Space Nutter "this mud ball is doomed" wankfest. As if the "technology" to build this floating paradise can't be used right here first...
/This is your religion, folks, like it or not

[i1.ytimg.com image 320x180]


That's right, there isn't. All we have and ever will have is right here. The most complex project in the future won't be some fantasy tin can in orbit, it's going to be how to act like rational adults right here and build a better mud ball for everyone, not run away into fantasy land.
 
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