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(NBC News)   The majesty of orbiting the Moon during the Apollo missions: seeing Earth float in Space, ruminating on our role in the Universe, having your turds float in Zero-G in the capsule and asking Mission Control what to do   (cosmiclog.nbcnews.com) divider line 91
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2013-04-09 09:12:04 PM

Mimic_Octopus: Sgygus: DNA test the turds so we know who to blame.

you do know that ID via poop DNA is almost impossible due to teh millions of bacteria variants in there right ? not to mention what you ate...unless you shot the president and shiat on the oval; office desk, no one is spending the time or money for poop ID.


No, I did not know that.  I do know that some communities are using DNA testing to nab dog-poopers.  Can't be that expensive.
 
2013-04-09 09:12:40 PM

Sgygus: DNA test the turds so we know who to blame.


Aha! It turns out that this turd belongs to.... E Coli!
 
2013-04-09 09:14:42 PM

cameroncrazy1984: That's one of those things that seems like it would be a lot of fun.


Just a warning, it can also be one of those "Argh! So close... Just one more try... What do you mean it's already 4 AM?" things.

It doesn't have the "Lego" aspect, but if you just want to get into space and fly around you should also look at Orbiter. It's free, it does a better job with the physics, and there's a very good (but still in development) re-creation of the Apollo missions as an add-on.
 
2013-04-09 09:16:04 PM

scottydoesntknow: xxmedium: BumpInTheNight: Kerbal Space Program thread?  Yup, Kerbal Space Program thread.

Just got a fueler into stable orbit last night, then tonight put another one up, this time featuring solar panels so the damned thing didn't run out of power this time (hah!).  Now trying to master the art of docking...yah this is not going so good.  Funny, but not going so good :P

GIS results indicate this is similar to my first few attempts at getting a fueler into orbit:
[img337.imageshack.us image 850x520]

I've been considering purchasing this game and I think you may have just talked me into it.

Me too. Is it like SimCity (not the new one!) but with rockets? It's been popping up in a lot of Fark threads recently.


In a nutshell:  You have cart-blanche to build and try any combination of rocketry and components to achieve whatever goal you have in mind within an earth-like solar system along with all the underpinning physics and mechanical constraints such tasks would impose without getting too gritty to be unbearing.

I've only had it for a few days but so far I've successfully launched a dozen or so craft into orbit over several hundred hilarious revisionary attempts.  That image I posted above is an example of someone who went 'as many rockets and fuel pods as I can stuff without the whole thing falling apart on the launch pad', but you can probably go further if you really push it :P  Its sandbox + rockets + lego-like-construction + spacial physics in an easy to approach package.

There is a free demo for anyone wanting to try it without committing but keep in mind it lags in terms of current engine revision and part selection.  Very expansive & welcomed (through extensive API options) modding community as well, this is going to be something great for sure.
 
2013-04-09 09:17:01 PM
And that, boys and girls, is why they call them ASStronouts?
 
2013-04-09 09:21:26 PM
Those poor bastards. Here, we're launching you into space...you'll have to poop in bags in zero G and mash it up with your hands after adding disingectant. Don't mix it up with the bags of mushy food we've provided.

"Tom, this isn't the meatloaf and gravy..."
 
2013-04-09 09:25:15 PM
Now I'm wondering how much poop is floating in orbit around Earth.
 
2013-04-09 09:28:59 PM
I guess it's a good thing they didn't have Taco Bell before launch....
 
2013-04-09 10:09:09 PM
Elemental Diet:  An elemental feed is a chemically defined diet whose protein source is amino acids or short-chain peptides, with short-chain carbohydrates and added fat, minerals, and vitamins.  The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) had initially designed elemental diets for astronauts.  This was with the intention of providing a nutritionally complete diet of which as much as possible would be absorbed.  However, although absorption was limited mainly to the upper small bowel, the diet did not prevent the production of stool, as hoped.

Nutrition in Pediatrics
W. Allan Walker, Christopher Duggan, John B. Watkins
Pg.: 640

/they did try, you know...
//execrable results
 
2013-04-09 10:10:07 PM

Sgygus: Mimic_Octopus: Sgygus: DNA test the turds so we know who to blame.

you do know that ID via poop DNA is almost impossible due to teh millions of bacteria variants in there right ? not to mention what you ate...unless you shot the president and shiat on the oval; office desk, no one is spending the time or money for poop ID.

No, I did not know that.  I do know that some communities are using DNA testing to nab dog-poopers.  Can't be that expensive.


Wow, that is one hardcore HOA  !! also, do they have to get a subpoena for a match sample  ?
 
2013-04-09 10:10:46 PM
So it' on a subsection of the NBC site called 'Cosmic Log.'  I can't be the only one amused by that.
 
2013-04-09 10:11:16 PM
Subby: unless you've been to space, your use of the fail tag suffers a failure to launch and settles back onto your own launch pad, spent.
 
2013-04-09 10:28:21 PM
If I remember correctly, only 16 or so humans have been far enough away from the planet to see it in its entirety.
 
2013-04-09 10:39:13 PM

BumpInTheNight: scottydoesntknow: xxmedium: BumpInTheNight: Kerbal Space Program thread?  Yup, Kerbal Space Program thread.

Just got a fueler into stable orbit last night, then tonight put another one up, this time featuring solar panels so the damned thing didn't run out of power this time (hah!).  Now trying to master the art of docking...yah this is not going so good.  Funny, but not going so good :P

GIS results indicate this is similar to my first few attempts at getting a fueler into orbit:
[img337.imageshack.us image 850x520]

I've been considering purchasing this game and I think you may have just talked me into it.

Me too. Is it like SimCity (not the new one!) but with rockets? It's been popping up in a lot of Fark threads recently.

In a nutshell:  You have cart-blanche to build and try any combination of rocketry and components to achieve whatever goal you have in mind within an earth-like solar system along with all the underpinning physics and mechanical constraints such tasks would impose without getting too gritty to be unbearing.

I've only had it for a few days but so far I've successfully launched a dozen or so craft into orbit over several hundred hilarious revisionary attempts.  That image I posted above is an example of someone who went 'as many rockets and fuel pods as I can stuff without the whole thing falling apart on the launch pad', but you can probably go further if you really push it :P  Its sandbox + rockets + lego-like-construction + spacial physics in an easy to approach package.

There is a free demo for anyone wanting to try it without committing but keep in mind it lags in terms of current engine revision and part selection.  Very expansive & welcomed (through extensive API options) modding community as well, this is going to be something great for sure.


10/10 would recommend! I've dumped about 100 hours into KSP so far, and I'm still going. Be prepared to lose yourself! The sandbox is fantastically accommodating. Load up, decide what you're going to do, build it, test it, attempt the mission. One day I might be mapping the Mun, the next I might be putting an unmanned rover on Duna (mars), or sending a set of probes out to study Jool (Jupiter) and it's moons.

Each and every goal you set provides a different engineering and physics challenges to overcome. From small probes and landers to interplanetary craft that take several launches just to assemble in orbit before you can even think about burning to set up a planetary rendezvous  Hell, I've even designed atmospheric craft that can fly out and pick up a crew that botched their deorbit burn and wound up on the wrong side of the planet. Lots of mods, the afformentioned mapping satellites, Habitat modules and rovers, lasers, line-of-sight comms dishes, multiple autopilot modules, just a ton of toys to play with... it's fantastic for anyone but near-orgasmic for the science geeks among us.

Seriously, the first time I made a successful manned Mun landing made me feel things no game ever has. Watching the surface approach from the lander window and taking those first EVA steps was simply amazing. Buy it. Buy it now.
 
2013-04-09 10:47:49 PM

Mock26: If I remember correctly, only 16 or so humans have been far enough away from the planet to see it in its entirety.


How would that work? Black hole? I'm pretty sure they only saw it in its halfity.
 
2013-04-09 10:55:00 PM
From here:


To here:
i.imgur.com

took about 4 good hours of testing and managed to land on the first real attempt. Minmus is tiny moon, and has very low gravity that makes for some fun off-roading. Just don't go full retard:
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-09 10:56:26 PM

rickythepenguin: A 500-page-plus transcript of the declassified mission log records tons of routine conversations among the mission's three astronauts: commander Tom Stafford, lunar module pilot Gene Cernan and command module pilot John Young. But six days into the eight-day mission, around page 414, an emergency pops up...


Ground control to Major Tom (10)
Ground control to Major Tom (9)
Clean your bunghole and may God's luck be with you....(7)
For here, am I shiatting in a tin can, far above the Earth.
Planet Earth is blue, and look!  My floating poo....

Though I'm past 100,000 miles
I'm pushing cloth and doing turtleheads
And Apollo 10 smells like shiat
Tell my Gene I can tell he had corn for dinner (he knoooo-ohh-ohh-ows!)

Ground control to Major Tom, there's something wrong
Your shiatter's full!
Can you hear me, Major Tom?
Can you hear me, Major Tom?


That was the funniest thing I've read in some time.

/Thanks for that.
 
2013-04-09 10:56:58 PM
Crap, first image was too large, but it was the rocket on the pad.

/threadjack
 
2013-04-09 10:57:26 PM

Crazy Lee: Elemental Diet:  An elemental feed is a chemically defined diet whose protein source is amino acids or short-chain peptides, with short-chain carbohydrates and added fat, minerals, and vitamins.  The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) had initially designed elemental diets for astronauts.  This was with the intention of providing a nutritionally complete diet of which as much as possible would be absorbed.  However, although absorption was limited mainly to the upper small bowel, the diet did not prevent the production of stool, as hoped.

Nutrition in Pediatrics
W. Allan Walker, Christopher Duggan, John B. Watkins
Pg.: 640

/they did try, you know...
//execrable results


It was a crap shoot, after all....
 
2013-04-09 11:02:24 PM

buckler: rnatalie: [collectivelab.typepad.com image 850x478]

Here's the actual text.


tl;dr
 
2013-04-09 11:31:42 PM
Shiiiiiiiiiaaaattttt......iiiiiiinnnnn.....spaaaaaacccceeee.......


[Cracked let me use the real word, she grumbled]
 
2013-04-10 12:03:47 AM

rnatalie:


Nice. Give yourself a pat on the back.

That scene always confused me. He looks as if he's reading it for the first time. Surely Dr Floyd has been to space before and had to use the facilities. Why not have another passenger reading those instructions in such a studious manner.
Other than that, it's in my top 5 all time movies.
 
2013-04-10 12:05:01 AM
What if you have explosive diarrhea?
 
2013-04-10 12:16:08 AM

doosh: What if you have explosive diarrhea?


Not to worry; astronauts, like soldiers in the field, get special dehydrated rations guaranteed to cause constipation.
 
2013-04-10 12:34:34 AM

Spaced Lion: "Can't you just sense how eager the rest of the universe is for us to show up?"


Hey if nothing else we are always good for a laugh
 
2013-04-10 12:42:16 AM

Gyrfalcon: doosh: What if you have explosive diarrhea?

Not to worry; astronauts, like soldiers in the field, get special dehydrated rations guaranteed to cause constipation.


Well, except for Apollo 8.

Shortly after the voyage to the Moon began, Commander Frank Borman took a sleeping pill, which is believed to have made him sick. He repeatedly vomited and was subject to diarrhea, much of which ended up floating around the cabin.
 
2013-04-10 12:47:47 AM
I would love to tell the tale of the clear Lexan test-toilet, a group of Air Force volunteer nurse, the fabled Vomit Comet and an 8mm film at a bachelor party for a NASA contractor/engineer ... but the Gag Order is still in place ....
 
2013-04-10 01:20:56 AM
Revenge of the turds.  Being an astronaut always seemed a bit too turdy for me.
 
2013-04-10 01:25:00 AM

Clemkadidlefark: I would love to tell the tale of the clear Lexan test-toilet, a group of Air Force volunteer nurse, the fabled Vomit Comet and an 8mm film at a bachelor party for a NASA contractor/engineer ... but the Gag Order is still in place ....


There's no way you're old enough to remember 8mm film at bachelor's parties. I'm not even that old. If I had been at bachelor's parties back then, which I would not have been, but I heard stories.
 
2013-04-10 04:35:11 AM
Pretty much the same story will be told on Earth after all the nuclear turds have landed.  WTF do we do with them?

Dumbasses cannot even conceive of 10,000 days much less years.
 
2013-04-10 06:15:59 AM

Snotnose: Mary Roach had this covered a year or two ago. Start with that book, then read the rest of her books. She's hilarious.


absolutely agree

/and it wouldn't be the first time that the straight dope has used stuff from her books without credit
//just sayin'
 
2013-04-10 06:24:14 AM

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: ...and taking those first EVA steps was simply amazing. Buy it. Buy it now.


My first EVA steps weren't quite so glorious, I didn't even know what that button did and happened to click one while a rocket was mid-way through a launch.  All of the sudden one of my pilots is just 'missing' and then it sunk in what had happened.  Doh!
 
2013-04-10 07:24:04 AM

BumpInTheNight: Kerbal Space Program thread?  Yup, Kerbal Space Program thread.


Current projects:

i3.photobucket.com
Pie In The Sky II (The previous one was an ugly mess)

i3.photobucket.com
Can't take too much credit for this more spaceship looking design. Mimiced one posted on the KSP forums and refined it a little into a handy interplanetary lander delivery craft. This is it in orbit around the Mun on a test flight after dumping two landers near the Apollo 11 monument.
 
2013-04-10 08:00:34 AM

rnatalie: [collectivelab.typepad.com image 850x478]


What's that Universal logo doing on there?

//The text in the novel describing Floyd's thoughts is entertaining.
 
2013-04-10 12:03:27 PM

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: BumpInTheNight: scottydoesntknow: xxmedium: BumpInTheNight: Kerbal Space Program thread?  Yup, Kerbal Space Program thread.

Just got a fueler into stable orbit last night, then tonight put another one up, this time featuring solar panels so the damned thing didn't run out of power this time (hah!).  Now trying to master the art of docking...yah this is not going so good.  Funny, but not going so good :P

GIS results indicate this is similar to my first few attempts at getting a fueler into orbit:
[img337.imageshack.us image 850x520]

I've been considering purchasing this game and I think you may have just talked me into it.

Me too. Is it like SimCity (not the new one!) but with rockets? It's been popping up in a lot of Fark threads recently.

In a nutshell:  You have cart-blanche to build and try any combination of rocketry and components to achieve whatever goal you have in mind within an earth-like solar system along with all the underpinning physics and mechanical constraints such tasks would impose without getting too gritty to be unbearing.

I've only had it for a few days but so far I've successfully launched a dozen or so craft into orbit over several hundred hilarious revisionary attempts.  That image I posted above is an example of someone who went 'as many rockets and fuel pods as I can stuff without the whole thing falling apart on the launch pad', but you can probably go further if you really push it :P  Its sandbox + rockets + lego-like-construction + spacial physics in an easy to approach package.

There is a free demo for anyone wanting to try it without committing but keep in mind it lags in terms of current engine revision and part selection.  Very expansive & welcomed (through extensive API options) modding community as well, this is going to be something great for sure.

10/10 would recommend! I've dumped about 100 hours into KSP so far, and I'm still going. Be prepared to lose yourself! The sandbox is fantastically accommodating. Load up, decid ...


i recently managed to put a lander on the mun, using only tech available in the demo mode.

wasn't easy. the hardest part is getting the thrust together to get the damn thing off the pad. three main engines, three liquid boosters with another SIX liquid boosters strapped onto THOSE boosters... seems like the only way to loft a LANDER into munar orbit is to strap 12 engines + to the damn rocket, unless you have access to the full version. a flyby is no sweat tho, the kerbal 5 is more than capable if you strap a little extra delta-v onto the first stage.

unfortunately the landing didn't do so well. one sneeze while i was tapping the lander in and it's suddenly flipping with 200 meters to recover. wasn't gonna happen.

i'm actually thinking i'm going to have to develop some sort of capture/destruction rocket to deal with spent stages etc left in orbit... even in the demo with a limit on four spaceflights i've managed to clutter the lower orbital levels with junk.  imagine what it'll look like if i can fly as many missions as i want?
 
2013-04-10 01:45:23 PM

buttery_shame_cave: i'm actually thinking i'm going to have to develop some sort of capture/destruction rocket to deal with spent stages etc left in orbit... even in the demo with a limit on four spaceflights i've managed to clutter the lower orbital levels with junk. imagine what it'll look like if i can fly as many missions as i want?


There is an option for "maximum persistent debris" which you can set to 0 if you don't want to deal with any junk.

Otherwise, you can reduce the problem by tuning your stages so that all of the boosters drop off on sub-orbital paths and your upper stage uses a bit of its fuel for the final insertion. If you're using up a stage for trans-munar injection, aim that burn so that it's on a collision course and then do a small course correction after separation. The spent booster will then impact the Mun just as several of the real Saturn S-IV B stages did.
 
2013-04-10 04:40:51 PM

Ivo Shandor: buttery_shame_cave: i'm actually thinking i'm going to have to develop some sort of capture/destruction rocket to deal with spent stages etc left in orbit... even in the demo with a limit on four spaceflights i've managed to clutter the lower orbital levels with junk. imagine what it'll look like if i can fly as many missions as i want?

There is an option for "maximum persistent debris" which you can set to 0 if you don't want to deal with any junk.

Otherwise, you can reduce the problem by tuning your stages so that all of the boosters drop off on sub-orbital paths and your upper stage uses a bit of its fuel for the final insertion. If you're using up a stage for trans-munar injection, aim that burn so that it's on a collision course and then do a small course correction after separation. The spent booster will then impact the Mun just as several of the real Saturn S-IV B stages did.


pfftt like i have the time or money to replicate the real-world engineering?

honestly, i'm kind of hoping for a Kessler Syndrome to happen after enough flights. this is also why i have the debris setting as high as it'll go.

i actually have been avoiding leaving munar transfer stages flying by using them to start lunar descents. lets me keep max tankage in the final stage.

i've also been considering putting the transfer stages into long-period solar orbits but i know that'll eventually come back to be a problem.

i figure the best prospects, at least for sandbox mode, to clean up the orbitals is to occasionally deploy something in the 'dumb rocket' variety in retrograde orbit and let them sweep segments of the orbitals clean, assuming they get that bad.

if they include some kind of grappling technology in the future it's moot. then i build satellites to either clean up the orbitals or lift stuff to final altitudes. space-tugs ftw.

long story short i do kind of wish their atmospheric modeling was better. it simply cutting off above 70km does make for awkward planning/tuning for booster stages. i suppose i could set my insertion orbits to have perigees of about 68km, and make the final boost on RCS... would work for satellites.
 
2013-04-10 04:47:06 PM

Quinsisdos: BumpInTheNight: Kerbal Space Program thread?  Yup, Kerbal Space Program thread.

Current projects:

[i3.photobucket.com image 850x478]
Pie In The Sky II (The previous one was an ugly mess)

[i3.photobucket.com image 850x478]
Can't take too much credit for this more spaceship looking design. Mimiced one posted on the KSP forums and refined it a little into a handy interplanetary lander delivery craft. This is it in orbit around the Mun on a test flight after dumping two landers near the Apollo 11 monument.


Wow, both of those look incredible :)  I haven't met it yet but how does the whole lander vs ship concept play out?  Can you actually separate a lander away from a space craft without fully abandoning the remaining ship in space or can you choose to have two things merge and then later on split while keeping both as independent things again?
 
2013-04-10 10:05:26 PM
I have wondered what various spacecraft smelled like at launch, in the middle of the mission, and after reentry.  I imagine at launch time they would smell like new metal and plastic.  In the middle, it probably wouldn't smell like much of anything because the occupants have accustomed themselves to it.  By the end, I suppose a Mercury capsule would smell like sweat.  Did they poop and pee in Gemini capsules?  Or did they just use diapers?  I imagine Apollo capsules smelled like open sewers when they were done.
 
2013-04-11 02:41:31 AM

BumpInTheNight: Wow, both of those look incredible :)  I haven't met it yet but how does the whole lander vs ship concept play out?  Can you actually separate a lander away from a space craft without fully abandoning the remaining ship in space or can you choose to have two things merge and then later on split while keeping both as independent things again?


The full version of KSP contains the updates made to allow docking and undocking of craft, which allows you to recreate the Apollo setup for Mun landings, amongst other things. Pie in the Sky II is (currently) made of three core segments that were launched on three seperate launch craft then docked together in orbit.

The interplanetary craft requires a lot just to get off the pad, so landers are docked to it later.
 
2013-04-12 02:28:12 AM

LaughingRadish: I have wondered what various spacecraft smelled like at launch, in the middle of the mission, and after reentry.  I imagine at launch time they would smell like new metal and plastic.  In the middle, it probably wouldn't smell like much of anything because the occupants have accustomed themselves to it.  By the end, I suppose a Mercury capsule would smell like sweat.  Did they poop and pee in Gemini capsules?  Or did they just use diapers?  I imagine Apollo capsules smelled like open sewers when they were done.


Damn interesting question there.
 
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