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(Van Halen News Desk)   Sammy Hagar says, "I would be in Van Halen if we could get along"   (vhnd.com) divider line 76
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2013-04-09 03:53:52 PM
Didn't care for VanHagar.
That said, every show of his I saw in the 70's and 80's was well worth the price of admission.

/Dude looks pretty good for being 65
 
2013-04-09 04:03:57 PM
His book was much better than I expected from him. Kinda prescient on Ronnie Montrose's passing. Also the exploits of drinking Van Halen and a sexy Valerie Bertinelli  were good reading.
 
2013-04-09 04:13:49 PM
I firmly believe Van Halen was ten times better with Hagar than with DLR, and you can quote me.
 
2013-04-09 05:08:36 PM

tnpir: I firmly believe Van Halen was ten times better with Hagar than with DLR, and you can quote me.


There.
 
2013-04-09 05:13:41 PM

tnpir: I firmly believe Van Halen was ten times better with Hagar than with DLR, and you can quote me.


That's why you can hear Sammy Hagar trying to imitate David Lee Roth's 'Wooow' screams throughout the first couple Van Hagar records. And on stage.

Deep down, Sammy and Eddie knew DLR had the right chops.
 
2013-04-09 05:15:56 PM

tnpir: I firmly believe Van Halen was ten times better with Hagar than with DLR, and you can quote me.


I will quote you just to be able to add that it saddens me that people can even think that.

I will go as far as to say that it wasn't all Sammy's fault.  Sure, he is bland, writes ridiculously sophomoric lyrics:

"She put the cream in my coffee (first thing in the morning)
Put that butter on my biscuit (honeydew my melons)
Cherries on bananas (gonna need a second helpin')
You know I'm up for breakfast so early in the morning"


But Ed seemed just fine with ditching his balls-out rock and roll brown sound to go with the keyboard heavy and way over compressed guitar sound that was the hallmark of those horrible, horrible Van Hagar albums.

Thank GOD the brown sound is back on the latest record.
 
2013-04-09 05:49:43 PM
Eddie is the reason VH couldn't keep a vocalist. By all accounts, he is a complete douchebag to work with. Of course the same thing is said about David being impossible to work with. But only ONE of those two guys was fire-able from Van Halen...
 
2013-04-09 05:53:40 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Thank GOD the brown sound is back on the latest record.


Haven't really heard much off the most recent album (two tracks, I think). I seem to remember the old VH guitar riffs were basic blues stuff played really, really fast. That still what Eddie's doing? BTW, I don't want to make it sound like I'm baggin' on Eddie's guitar playing. The guy might be a tool, but there's no question...he can play the six-string like nobody's business.
 
2013-04-09 05:59:03 PM
...And I'd be nailing Kate Upton if she found me attractive.
 
2013-04-09 06:17:07 PM

MaxxLarge: ...And I'd be nailing Kate Upton if she found me attractive.


If it weren't for my horse, I never would have spent that year in college.

/also, Michael Anthony would be with Van Halen if they could get along, too.
 
2013-04-09 06:21:32 PM
"I would be in Van Halen if we could get along"

David Lee Roth
 
2013-04-09 06:21:33 PM
He seems like a needy ex girlfriend
 
2013-04-09 06:26:30 PM

olddeegee: His book was much better than I expected from him. Kinda prescient on Ronnie Montrose's passing. Also the exploits of drinking Van Halen and a sexy Valerie Bertinelli  were good reading.


Wasn't that the book where he claimed he was abducted by aliens?
 
2013-04-09 06:27:18 PM

MaxxLarge: ...And I'd be nailing Kate Upton if she found me attractive.


Yeah, no shiat. Me too.

I have loved Sammy Hagar since the Montrose days, and I like a lot of his solo stuff as much as any Van Halen song.

That said, Van Hagar never did it for me. DLR in VH was incredible. It just seems like the writing of the songs Van Hagar did weren't nearly as good as DLRVH was, very pop sounding.
 
2013-04-09 06:28:14 PM
Nerf Herder best expressed my feelings on the Hagar era.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t0j0xBfRasw

/sorry, I'm on my phone so no linky.
 
2013-04-09 06:29:08 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: By all accounts, he is a complete douchebag to work with. Of course the same thing is said about David being impossible to work with. But only ONE of those two guys was fire-able from Van Halen...


i remmebr when Michael Anthony was on adam carolla podcast a couple years ago, that he was bummed that he wasn't invited on the tour, but VH was sure as shiat using his piped-in vocals. and said without saying that yeah, EVH and MVH were dicks.

DLR was just on Carolla a few weeks ago and he's on Jay Mohr's "Mohr Stories" podcast that will drop* Friday.  should be good stuff.

*is that how the cool kids say it these days?
 
2013-04-09 06:31:33 PM

bearded clamorer: Didn't care for VanHagar.
That said, every show of his I saw in the 70's and 80's was well worth the price of admission.

/Dude looks pretty good for being 65


Yeah, I was amazed that Sammy Hagar+Van Halen=Pop Rock Nonsense. It made no sense at all. 5150 was my second concert ever, and they rocked, though.
 
2013-04-09 06:32:57 PM

show me: It just seems like the writing of the songs Van Hagar did weren't nearly as good as DLRVH was, very pop sounding.


waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much piano/synth.  all the big Van Hagar songs were all synthed out and just sound like cockfark today, whereas all the VH songs (jump being the exception, which proves the point) sound fresh as shiat.

"Aint' Talkin' Bout Love" today rules your balls.  no one plays guitar like that, with that sound.  compare that to that "we're higher, and higher and higher" pepsi song.

/ok, "Pound Cake" was pretty cool but that also proves the point, as that was Van Hagar getting back to their root sound.
 
2013-04-09 06:34:20 PM
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"BIBBITY BOP!"
 
2013-04-09 06:34:27 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Eddie is the reason VH couldn't keep a vocalist. By all accounts, he is a complete douchebag to work with. Of course the same thing is said about David being impossible to work with. But only ONE of those two guys was fire-able from Van Halen...


Yep, at first you think it's Dave and his refusal to grow up. Then Gary Cherone lasts for 2 songs. Next thing you know, Sammy is out, then Dave is back in, then Dave is out again, and so is Michael Anthony, who's been on the roller coaster from the beginning. Starts to make you wonder what the common denominator is. Turns out to either be one or both of the VanHalen brothers.

That said, the concert last year with Dave back in the band sucked, and that was from all aspects except Wolfgang. Everyone else fell down in some way, even though they keep trying to pin it all ion Dave.
 
2013-04-09 06:48:48 PM
I love all the VH albums up to (but not including) 1984. The first DLR album with Vai and Sheenan is incredible.
 
2013-04-09 06:55:57 PM

Mikey1969: That said, the concert last year with Dave back in the band sucked, and that was from all aspects except Wolfgang. Everyone else fell down in some way, even though they keep trying to pin it all ion Dave.


yeah, there were some really, really, reaaaaaaaaaaaalllly bad You tube clips that sadly, resembled those hilarious "Rush shreds", "Dream theatre shreds", "metallica shreds", etc., videos.  I saw a "Jump" where wolfgang didn't know what the fark he was doing and Eddie was just awful.

but, there were also a few where EVH was note-perfect.  i don't know if it was a "preshow overindulgence" issue or what, but a friend posted some video of a show he went to and that shiat -- well, EVH at least, it was his solo segment -- was just jaw droppingly good.
 
2013-04-09 06:56:04 PM
DLR was great in the studio, and he was the over-the-top personality that represented the Van Halen aura, but he was absolute crap live. Completely out of tune. But he was fun to watch.

I find every single Van Hagar song unlistenable. Sammy Hagar is a great singer, but for some reason, I just really hated each and every song I've heard when he was their lead singer.
 
2013-04-09 07:07:25 PM
When Sammy Hagar first joined Van Halen, I wanted to throw a wad of chewing gum in his hair.

When the smoke clears, the winners in the end are still Eddie and Alex Van Halen. They had huge commercial success in a band with two different singers and two different fan bases.

And Michael Anthony should stay in ANY line up of Van Halen. Period. Man.
 
2013-04-09 07:19:39 PM
Face it, folks:

David Lee Rock = Rock
Sammy Hagar = Adult contemporary
 
2013-04-09 07:20:17 PM

MrEricSir: David Lee Rock


Well, that was a completely redundant Freudian slip.
 
2013-04-09 07:31:45 PM
5150 is a damn fine album.

That's about it.
 
2013-04-09 07:35:07 PM

bearded clamorer: /Dude looks pretty good for being 65


For real....he's the same age as my Dad.  Maybe his tequila is actually the fountain of youth.

All kidding aside, I like his solo work, but Van Halen sucked with him in it.....they became too serious.
 
2013-04-09 07:39:52 PM
For 80's swilling beer on the beach music, VanHagar was probably the best.  For straight up rocking and kick ass concerts, the DLR years were unbeatable.

I can't pick one over the other.  They're just two distinct groups with two different sounds.  Neither sucks.
 
2013-04-09 07:48:26 PM
Van Halen/ Roth music - Dangerous, raunchy, street. Hotwire a car, do a beer run and crash keg parties.

Van Halen/ Hagar music - Safe, awesome, clean almost square. Borrow money from dad and fly to Cabo, get a tan and check out the chicks, dude.
 
2013-04-09 08:00:29 PM
The way I see it, there are bands that have the same name, but aren't the same band.  Van Halen/Van Hagar, Bush Anthrax / Joey Anthrax and pre-Black Metallica / Post Black Metallica.  Once you accept that they are just different bands, then you can enjoy the music.  Van Hagar ISNT Van Halen, Truth proved that.  (And Carnal proved somebody in the VH camp wanted DLR back) But as Van Hagar records (or another Sammy solo effort) they are good albums.  We should enjoy them for what they are.
 
2013-04-09 08:13:00 PM
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Why can't we ever finish what we started?
 
2013-04-09 08:31:10 PM

dougermouse: The way I see it, there are bands that have the same name, but aren't the same band.  Van Halen/Van Hagar, Bush Anthrax / Joey Anthrax and pre-Black Metallica / Post Black Metallica.  Once you accept that they are just different bands, then you can enjoy the music.  Van Hagar ISNT Van Halen, Truth proved that.  (And Carnal proved somebody in the VH camp wanted DLR back) But as Van Hagar records (or another Sammy solo effort) they are good albums.  We should enjoy them for what they are.


The difference between Anthrax and Van Halen in this instance is that Anthrax was dead-set on making a change musically and with Joey's style and the fact he was a bit older than the rest of the group they knew they had to get someone that could sing the more "modern" (for that time) style that they wanted.  Bush was ok for one album (Sound of White Noise) and a couple other songs ("Random Acts of Senseless Violence", "Safe Home"), but it wasnt the same by any stretch.  But they still played music from every album before Bush joined up.

When Hagar joined Van Halen, he basically took over the band.  They hardly played anything off of any of the DLR albums live or if they did he had to put his own spin on it in such a way to make sure that you knew DLR wasn't there.  They even played Montrose and Sammy's solo stuff live as well. He did everything possible to basically downplay Roth's tenure when it was impossible to do as he had to replace a guy who was the main face on two diamond (10x Million sold) records and who was a part of an band that basically influenced everyone who played rock/metal for all the 80s into the 90s.
 
2013-04-09 08:33:50 PM
I actually like both singers. They should go on tour and do double duty, like Rush does. 90 minutes with one singer, 90 with the other.
 
2013-04-09 08:47:24 PM

dougermouse: The way I see it, there are bands that have the same name, but aren't the same band.  Van Halen/Van Hagar, Bush Anthrax / Joey Anthrax and pre-Black Metallica / Post Black Metallica.  Once you accept that they are just different bands, then you can enjoy the music.  Van Hagar ISNT Van Halen, Truth proved that.  (And Carnal proved somebody in the VH camp wanted DLR back) But as Van Hagar records (or another Sammy solo effort) they are good albums.  We should enjoy them for what they are.


AdolfOliverPanties: But Ed seemed just fine with ditching his balls-out rock and roll brown sound to go with the keyboard heavy and way over compressed guitar sound that was the hallmark of those horrible, horrible Van Hagar albums.


These.  I think if Eddie hadn't gone through his "OMG A CHORUS PEDAL / SYNTH OUT MY ASS!!!!" phase, we wouldn't have to have this ridiculous argument about Dave vs. Sammy.  Eddie's sound is completely different on 5150 and OU812 than anything before, even 1984, and you can hear him drifting back to the old sound through FARK (pre-filterpwning myself) and Balance.   Eddie was looking for an enabler for him to get all 80's and Sammy was it.   Simply put, Eddie is the reason people don't like Sammy and they just don't know it yet.

\And yes to the idea of considering bands to be different incarnations entirely
\\except Queen + Paul Rodgers, that was just a travesty
 
2013-04-09 09:06:24 PM
www.vhnd.com
 
2013-04-09 09:06:39 PM

dougermouse: Truth proved that


That albums sounded like old Van Halen...because it was old Van Halen.  Releasing C-sides and throw-away tracks as a brand new album is kind of crappy.

AdolfOliverPanties: I will go as far as to say that it wasn't all Sammy's fault. Sure, he is bland, writes ridiculously sophomoric lyrics:


Pound for pound DLR's lyrics are just as bad as (if not worse than) Hagar's.
 
2013-04-09 09:32:32 PM

MrEricSir: Face it, folks:

David Lee Rock = Rock
Sammy Hagar = Adult contemporary


Quoted at the request of the department of redundancy.

Agreed to wholeheartedly. They both have their place though.

DLR EVH is like drinking beer, it works most anytime.
SH EVH is like drinking wine, it has a place and seems more respectable. More of a Box Wine, but still...
 
2013-04-09 09:41:27 PM
Hagar always rocked, from Montrose to solo stuff, then he joins VH and goes all girly pop music. That said, fark. was an amazing album, probably VH's most complete and solid album they've ever made.
 
2013-04-09 09:42:41 PM
And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.
 
2013-04-09 09:43:14 PM
Hahaha, it changed the initials of For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge to fark in my previous post.
 
2013-04-09 09:47:10 PM

rickythepenguin: yeah, there were some really, really, reaaaaaaaaaaaalllly bad You tube clips that sadly, resembled those hilarious "Rush shreds", "Dream theatre shreds", "metallica shreds", etc., videos.  I saw a "Jump" where wolfgang didn't know what the fark he was doing and Eddie was just awful.


In Vegas, it was a farking mess. Worst show I've seen by any band in my life, local bar bands included...

To begin with, Dave didn't sing half the time, the other half he'd either talk through the lyrics, or he'd tell some ridiculously weird non-related story. Once or twice, it was just utter gibberish that fell out of his mouth.

Alex seemed to not be there. Like seriously not there. Although not the showiest drummer, I don't think I've seen a VH show, or any videos or clips of other shows where you can't see him behind the kit and recognize him. Not so here, nothing spectacular from the drums, and you almost couldn't tell there was a real person back there. Suddenly, this random drumming everybody is hearing turns out to be a drum solo that meanders on for another 2 or 3 minutes(It was going on for 2 minutes before anyone figured this out). Like a jack in the box, suddenly you can see Alex, and the rest of the concert, he never disappeared again.

Eddie, played fine, a couple of cool solos, but when they played 'Jump' and 'I'll Wait', he either played to a tape, or had some other keyboardist off-stage. I understand people want guitar from Eddie, but playing to a recording, or not giving your session musician credit for playing with you is extremely unprofessional. A real pro would have found a way to rewrite the keyboard parts to play on the guitar, and get rid of the supposedly "evil" keyboard(Me, I have no problem with this, it works beautifully in both of those songs).

Wolfgang, on the other hand, was tight, the whole performance. I never REALLY noticed Michael Anthony's bass work, but I noticed Wolfie's all night, it was great. He played sharp, and seemed to be the only one who was a professional in any way. My theory is that this was on purpose to kind of "introduce" Wolfie to the world, and they could all fade out into retirement, but who knows.

It wasn't just me and my friend that were disappointed either, I met people in the restroom, out on the casino floor, and in the bars later that had the same problems with the concert, down to the problems with the mystery drumming and the phantom keyboards. I was pissed, it was my yearly 'Guy Trip', so we planned a whole weekend trip to Vegas around it. Oh well, even for hating the excess of Vegas, I can enjoy a coulpe of days every once in awhile... :-)
 
2013-04-09 09:51:05 PM
Well, Sammy, maybe if you sweet talk him he'll let you in.
Don't forget to cuddle afterwards!
 
2013-04-09 10:00:49 PM

The Billdozer: Bush was ok for one album (Sound of White Noise) and a couple other songs ("Random Acts of Senseless Violence", "Safe Home"), but it wasnt the same by any stretch. But they still played music from every album before Bush joined up.


Hey, Volume 8 was a damn solid album too.
 
2013-04-09 10:03:40 PM

tnpir: I firmly believe Van Halen was ten times better with Hagar than with DLR, and you can quote me.


I thought I was the only one with this opinion...there is something about Dabid Lee Roth that I just do not like. I wore out my Van Hagar tapes.
 
2013-04-09 10:26:08 PM
I would be touring with Wishbone Ash if we could get along. And Muddy died. And I could play guitar.

*this* close
 
2013-04-09 10:45:46 PM

Wild Eyed and Wicked: tnpir: I firmly believe Van Halen was ten times better with Hagar than with DLR, and you can quote me.

I thought I was the only one with this opinion...there is something about Dabid Lee Roth that I just do not like. I wore out my Van Hagar tapes.


i like VH1 but after that it is all Hagar...or at least the first couple of Van Hagar albums. There are strong songs on some of of the DLR albums but not as many for me to prefer them.
 
2013-04-09 11:01:27 PM
Saw Sammy open the second Texas Jam - Van Halen was on the bill touring for VHII. Solo Sammy blew them all away, Van Halen, Boston, Heart, Blue Oyster Cult. This was back in his old red rocker days. The man had more energy onstage than anyone I've ever seen. Opened for Boston on the Don't Look Back tour, and he blew them away again.

Pretty much everyone in VH except Michael Anthony was a tool.
 
2013-04-09 11:08:48 PM
Well, I don't know about anybody else, but Why Can't This Be Love was the greatest VH song of all time.   OF ALL TIME.
 
2013-04-09 11:25:39 PM
I couldn't agree more with the beer/wine analogy.  I love Van Hagar, but I think a huge part of that is because I was too young to have experienced the Roth-era firsthand, so there was no sense of loss to me,  I think Van Hagar has some great songs, some great tours, and Balance was a damn fine album.

And every Bush-era Anthrax cd was a masterpiece.
 
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