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(NPR)   Tired of this rampant proliferation of beer snobs? No worries, the arsenic that comes from all those fancy filtering processes they love so much will probably kill them soon   (npr.org) divider line 114
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2013-04-09 04:34:00 PM  

nocturnal001: I was very disappointed to read that it doesn't seem likely that beer snobs will die from arsenic poisoning. Pity.


I too wish death upon people that like things that I don't like.
 
2013-04-09 04:35:58 PM  

tricycleracer: Cerebral Knievel: tricycleracer: Switch to fish guts, guys.

thats used in casking and for taking the load off the filter...

Wikipedia lumps isinglass and diatomaceous earth into the same fining category, so I just went with that.


All good, and it is technicly correct, which is the best kind of correct. :)

Isinglass, to put it in the simplist terms because i am mobile farking, creates a negitive ion bond and causes the yeast to stick together and fall out faster and denser. DE media grabs the stuff as it passes through the media.

IG is used traditionaly to drop out the beer in casking. and yes, popping a firkin or a pin, you do want that stuff to be clear.

a lot of breweries, craft, micro, macro etc use the IG to pre-drop a tank. speeding up the natural racking process, so as to take the load off the filter media when you want to "polish" the stuff.

extends the life of your media, and reduces waste. it can be used hot or cold, but usually cold.
 
2013-04-09 04:37:42 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: Meh, beer is what the cretins drink. Beer is to booze what cigarettes are to aged hand rolled cigars.

/The Glenlivet & a Drew Estate Naturals please...


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Glenlivet is pretty pedestrian.
 
2013-04-09 04:39:13 PM  

busy chillin': nocturnal001: I was very disappointed to read that it doesn't seem likely that beer snobs will die from arsenic poisoning. Pity.

I too wish death upon people that like things that I don't like.


Umm, I'm pretty sure you have that backwards.
 
2013-04-09 04:40:18 PM  
I mostly drink porters and stouts and such, so I dunno if they are cloudy or not. Am I gonna die?
 
2013-04-09 04:45:03 PM  

nocturnal001: busy chillin': nocturnal001: I was very disappointed to read that it doesn't seem likely that beer snobs will die from arsenic poisoning. Pity.

I too wish death upon people that like things that I don't like.

Umm, I'm pretty sure you have that backwards.



You wish death upon people that don't like things you like?
 
2013-04-09 04:45:47 PM  
Water standards aren't based on what's safe, they are usually way below what's safe. So having As levels 100 times the drinking water limit isn't necessarily dangerous. The oxidation state and chemical form are also significant.
 
2013-04-09 04:47:26 PM  

busy chillin': nocturnal001: busy chillin': nocturnal001: I was very disappointed to read that it doesn't seem likely that beer snobs will die from arsenic poisoning. Pity.

I too wish death upon people that like things that I don't like.

Umm, I'm pretty sure you have that backwards.


You wish death upon people that don't like things you like?



Perhaps he wishes things upon people who are dead.
 
2013-04-09 04:49:13 PM  

IntertubeUser: I cannot understand folks who aren't beer snobs.  If the only beer out there was an Anheiser-Busch or a Miller product, I simply would not want to drink beer.


No one cares.
 
2013-04-09 04:50:44 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: Meh, beer is what the cretins drink. Beer is to booze what cigarettes are to aged hand rolled cigars.

/The Glenlivet & a Drew Estate Naturals please...


Seriously?
Drew Estate?

Are their naturals natural?
I am not a fan of flavored cigars.
Partagas, Fuente, 5 Vegas...
How did I do on the cigar snob try-outs?
5 Vegas is almost cheap and very good.
I buy more than I smoke these days...got to buy another humidor.
You ever hit alt.smokers.cigars?
See ya around the herfs.
 
2013-04-09 04:51:01 PM  

busy chillin': nocturnal001: busy chillin': nocturnal001: I was very disappointed to read that it doesn't seem likely that beer snobs will die from arsenic poisoning. Pity.

I too wish death upon people that like things that I don't like.

Umm, I'm pretty sure you have that backwards.


You wish death upon people that don't like things you like?


It's not about what I like, but who I like.  Beer snobs are pretentious douches that judge other people on what they like or don't like. I don't like pretentious douches, and while I admit I don't wish death on them, maybe something like horrible ass pain.

Beer snob /= Enjoying good beer
 
2013-04-09 04:55:42 PM  
Whatever happened to just "beer flavored beer"?

When the snobs started treating beer like wine.....the "ambience of this pilsner is like a fruity crevasse".... or some BS like that... that killed beer consumption
 
2013-04-09 04:57:12 PM  
While many mass market beers use DE filtration, Miller Genuine Draft does not.

MGD is pushed through ceramic filters and not pasteurized.
 
2013-04-09 04:58:20 PM  

Jument: I mostly drink porters and stouts and such, so I dunno if they are cloudy or not. Am I gonna die?


Yes.  We all are.  Someday.
 
2013-04-09 05:02:11 PM  

SmellsLikePoo: non-story is .... non-story:

FTA


"We already knew that," says Roger Boulton, a professor in enology at the University of California, Davis. "The levels shouldn't be alarming, because it's the kind of thing you see in dust or air."

 This made me laugh. I can just see this guy banging his head on the desk after hanging up with the reporter, mutter "oh for fark's sake."
 
2013-04-09 05:04:59 PM  
lh3.ggpht.com
 
2013-04-09 05:07:07 PM  
All fine for people who drink rat piss beer.
I drink unfiltered.
I don't think there's much more to say and everyone who IS saying more is wasting everyone's time including theirs.
 
2013-04-09 05:10:58 PM  

fickenchucker: While many mass market beers use DE filtration, Miller Genuine Draft does not.

MGD is pushed through ceramic filters and not pasteurized.


DE? Like diatomaceous earth? Like high end swimming pool filters? That stuff?
 
2013-04-09 05:12:31 PM  

Phaeon: fickenchucker: While many mass market beers use DE filtration, Miller Genuine Draft does not.

MGD is pushed through ceramic filters and not pasteurized.

DE? Like diatomaceous earth? Like high end swimming pool filters? That stuff?


Yup, skeletons of tiny little critters.
 
2013-04-09 05:14:26 PM  

Beerguy: [bythepint.com image 680x510]

Problem solved.


Came for weissbier porn, leaving satisfied

/but actually wanting one now, mmm
 
2013-04-09 05:19:27 PM  

Cheesehead_Dave: [lh3.ggpht.com image 850x274]


Bell's.  The reason I moved to Kalamazoo.  Damn tasty brew.
 
2013-04-09 05:26:37 PM  

nocturnal001: DE? Like diatomaceous earth? Like high end swimming pool filters? That stuff?

Yup, skeletons of tiny little critters.


They make dynamite out of that stuff!!!
 
2013-04-09 05:26:52 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Whatever happened to just "beer flavored beer"?

When the snobs started treating beer like wine.....the "ambience of this pilsner is like a fruity crevasse".... or some BS like that... that killed beer consumption


Your mass-produced macrobrews from inbev and others are still the most popular, most consumed beers in this country. They're not going anywhere just because other people like more interesting styles of alcoholic beverages.
 
2013-04-09 05:27:16 PM  

asynchron: Beerguy: [bythepint.com image 680x510]

Problem solved.

Came for weissbier porn, leaving satisfied

/but actually wanting one now, mmm


I actually made myself thirsty for one while I was posting that.
 
2013-04-09 05:28:36 PM  

fickenchucker: While many mass market beers use DE filtration, Miller Genuine Draft does not.

MGD is pushed through ceramic filters and not pasteurized.


I wonder if any heavy-metals can be detected, at similar levels, from ceramic filtration.
 
2013-04-09 05:29:08 PM  

Phaeon: fickenchucker: While many mass market beers use DE filtration, Miller Genuine Draft does not.

MGD is pushed through ceramic filters and not pasteurized.

DE? Like diatomaceous earth? Like high end swimming pool filters? That stuff?


Yep.  It's amazingly similar to the stuff quoted in TFA.
 
2013-04-09 05:31:39 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: Whatever happened to just "beer flavored beer"?

When the snobs started treating beer like wine.....the "ambience of this pilsner is like a fruity crevasse".... or some BS like that... that killed beer consumption


Beer flavored beer was killed by prohibition. The only companies that survived were massive, and their post prohibition product was less beer, more water, more profit.

Also, how does someone else enjoying a beer make you enjoy it less? That's like anti-empathy.
 
2013-04-09 05:35:28 PM  
Beer snobs rarely drink filtered beer.
 
2013-04-09 05:35:40 PM  

impaler: Also, how does someone else enjoying a beer make you enjoy it less? That's like anti-empathy.


It speaks to the exclusive hipster in all of us.
 
2013-04-09 05:39:30 PM  

impaler: fickenchucker: While many mass market beers use DE filtration, Miller Genuine Draft does not.

MGD is pushed through ceramic filters and not pasteurized.

I wonder if any heavy-metals can be detected, at similar levels, from ceramic filtration.


None are added to the brew through ceramic filtration.

/My dad was an engineer at Miller in the '80s and worked on MGD.
 
2013-04-09 05:40:52 PM  

Ennuipoet: Yes, but in small doses over a long period of time does not one become immune to arsenic?  So, we should all be good right?


That was a plot point in some mystery novel back in the day, wasn't it? Part of my brain is being tickled, but it suggests that cyanide was the poison in question. I may be wrong.

As for arsenic, it had its heyday as a critical component in green dyes in the Victorian era. As far as I'm aware, lots of people were killed by it without building up a tolerance.

Citations (so teh Beeb had a documentary on about this the other night so it's fresh in my mind):

http://www.historyextra.com/blog/hidden-killers-victorian-home
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheele's_Green
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01rp5hh
 
2013-04-09 05:41:41 PM  
I know of someone who's grandmother would have LOVED to have this information a long time ago.....

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2013-04-09 05:43:17 PM  
FTFA:  "University of California, Fresno "

What the f*ck?  They are quoting people from made up colleges now. For shame NPR, for shame.
 
2013-04-09 05:44:39 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: FTFA:  "University of California, Fresno "

What the f*ck?  They are quoting people from made up colleges now. For shame NPR, for shame.


cal state, u cal, its all the same to us on the east coast.
 
2013-04-09 05:44:54 PM  
I don't drink beer. Disgusting stuff. I make my own hard cider instead. I find it more refreshing than any beer, and it tastes WAY better too.
 
2013-04-09 05:45:04 PM  

iron de havilland: As for arsenic, it had its heyday as a critical component in green dyes in the Victorian era. As far as I'm aware, lots of people were killed by it without building up a tolerance.


I believe arsenic builds up in your system. Kind of the opposite of "building a tolerance."
 
2013-04-09 05:45:18 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: FTFA:  "Fresno "



got over on your girlie cuz you know you she never says no
 
2013-04-09 05:45:50 PM  

wildcardjack: Rice is high enough in arsenic that it's a small side dish only in my world. Turns out rice loves the arsenic, and will pull any out of the soil.


And a lot of the big boys use rice as a large part of the grain bill for american style pale lagers.Why ? its cheaper than malt. Even Coors uses it now.
 
2013-04-09 05:45:53 PM  
Nietzche Bier

My liver is bad, IT MUST BE PUNISHED!
 
2013-04-09 05:47:09 PM  

fickenchucker: None are added to the brew through ceramic filtration.

/My dad was an engineer at Miller in the '80s and worked on MGD.


Wouldn't they have said the same for DE before these tests?

FTFA: One reason that chemists are now discovering arsenic in beer is that testing methods are much more precise than in decades past, Boulton says, detecting low levels of naturally occurring elements that have always been in food products.

Either way, the levels are too low to care.
 
2013-04-09 05:54:12 PM  

ph0rk: Uchiha_Cycliste: FTFA:  "University of California, Fresno "

What the f*ck?  They are quoting people from made up colleges now. For shame NPR, for shame.

cal state, u cal, its all the same to us on the east coast.


It's like saying U. Mass Harvard. =P One's a respectable system and the other is a, um, default.
 
2013-04-09 05:55:54 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: /The Glenlivet & a Drew Estate Naturals please...


If we are being common, sure. In the same range but for a better highland single malt (which is often less expensive), do Grangestone 12 year. For a better highland single malt which is able to maintain flavor against cigars, do Glenmorangie Original. However, get rid of the cigar and instead sip yourself some Oban 14 or Lagavulin 16 (or cask strength when available).
 
2013-04-09 05:58:14 PM  

impaler: fickenchucker: None are added to the brew through ceramic filtration.

/My dad was an engineer at Miller in the '80s and worked on MGD.

Wouldn't they have said the same for DE before these tests?

FTFA: One reason that chemists are now discovering arsenic in beer is that testing methods are much more precise than in decades past, Boulton says, detecting low levels of naturally occurring elements that have always been in food products.

Either way, the levels are too low to care.


They found it in the DE testing, but it was so low it didn't matter, so ultimately it's a non-starter issue, like IMPALER implied.
 
2013-04-09 06:06:10 PM  

impaler: Beer snobs are against filtration. It removes stuff (and presumably affects taste) for the purpose of making the beer more appealing to the masses.


I don't filter, but mainly because I'm lazy. Just let it settle and don't drink the last swig.
 
2013-04-09 06:13:53 PM  
Unfortunately it won't save you from "homebrew guy" and his room temperature chunky, cloudy, and half flat "masterpiece" that makes you want to vomit before you even had any.
 
2013-04-09 06:14:12 PM  
www.mentalfloss.com

Snob.
 
2013-04-09 06:22:27 PM  
Know how i know subby doesnt know a goddam f'n thing about homebrewing "beer snobs?"
 
2013-04-09 06:24:05 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: Meh, beer is what the cretins drink. Beer is to booze what cigarettes are to aged hand rolled cigars.

/The Glenlivet & a Drew Estate Naturals please...


Whatever you say, pleb.
 
2013-04-09 06:33:46 PM  
Just passing through the bottom half of a Sam Smith's oatmeal stout, so I guess that I'm probably getting a kick...

/stuff is like bottled sex
 
2013-04-09 07:38:43 PM  

Vangor: Sultan Of Herf: /The Glenlivet & a Drew Estate Naturals please...

If we are being common, sure. In the same range but for a better highland single malt (which is often less expensive), do Grangestone 12 year. For a better highland single malt which is able to maintain flavor against cigars, do Glenmorangie Original. However, get rid of the cigar and instead sip yourself some Oban 14 or Lagavulin 16 (or cask strength when available).


Is Grangestone 18 year good? I bought some for a friend going through a divorce, but only so I could make a barely legal joke.
 
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