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(Chosun (Korea))   North Korea has notified nations that it plans to launch a missile over Japan on Wednesday. Japan has notified North Korea that if it does it's about to have a really bad rest of the week   (english.chosun.com) divider line 214
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2013-04-09 01:56:05 PM  
15 votes:

whistleridge: Why We Will Not Go To War With North Korea:

1. A tank gets 0.6 miles per gallon
2. North Korea produces 0.0 billion barrels of oil per day
3. China exports  8,432 bbl/day to North Korea
4. Seoul alone has a population of 10,000,000+ people
5. North Korea has approximately 5,000 tanks, more than half of which are absurdly outdated
6. Even without South Korean resistance, they would need all of those tanks AND about 1,000,000 supporting men, trucks, etc to take and hold Seoul
7. Which they would need lots and lots and LOTS of fuel for
8. Which they won't get without Chinese support

Also: 

1. North Korean nuclear weapons are smaller than the Hiroshima bomb
2. North Korea's sole nuclear plant only puts out enough material to make about one bomb per year
3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all
4. North Korea has only conducted 7 missile tests, 2 of which were long range and one of which failed

To sum up: they probably can't shoot us at all. Even if everything goes perfectly and won't shoot it down and the missile lands on target AND the bomb goes off...it will probably be less than 1/2 the yield of the Hiroshima bomb. For which we would immediately turn their whole country into a self-illuminating glass parking lot. Or invade, burn their palace down around their ears, and hang every man we found. Either way, it would be the total destruction of both their regime and their state, in return for...not all that much. 

A more scary scenario involves a launch at Seoul or Tokyo, but even that would get instant condemnation and destruction. Hell...China would HELP us dismantle them at that point.

The only scenario where this possibly leads to war in one in which they somehow get Chinese backing, then use those nukes to blast a couple of big-ass holes through the DMZ and roll south with everything they have. They would do a LOT of damage. Seoul would be wrecked, central South Korea would be a mess, and it would take some pretty sharp action to stop th ...


Whatever's going on in NK, it's managed to put China on the same side as Japan.

No matter what else goes down, 'that' deserves to be noticed and remarked upon.
2013-04-09 01:51:21 PM  
13 votes:
Why We Will Not Go To War With North Korea:

1. A tank gets 0.6 miles per gallon
2. North Korea produces 0.0 billion barrels of oil per day
3. China exports  8,432 bbl/day to North Korea
4. Seoul alone has a population of 10,000,000+ people
5. North Korea has approximately 5,000 tanks, more than half of which are absurdly outdated
6. Even without South Korean resistance, they would need all of those tanks AND about 1,000,000 supporting men, trucks, etc to take and hold Seoul
7. Which they would need lots and lots and LOTS of fuel for
8. Which they won't get without Chinese support

Also: 

1. North Korean nuclear weapons are smaller than the Hiroshima bomb
2. North Korea's sole nuclear plant only puts out enough material to make about one bomb per year
3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all
4. North Korea has only conducted 7 missile tests, 2 of which were long range and one of which failed

To sum up: they probably can't shoot us at all. Even if everything goes perfectly and won't shoot it down and the missile lands on target AND the bomb goes off...it will probably be less than 1/2 the yield of the Hiroshima bomb. For which we would immediately turn their whole country into a self-illuminating glass parking lot. Or invade, burn their palace down around their ears, and hang every man we found. Either way, it would be the total destruction of both their regime and their state, in return for...not all that much. 

A more scary scenario involves a launch at Seoul or Tokyo, but even that would get instant condemnation and destruction. Hell...China would HELP us dismantle them at that point.

The only scenario where this possibly leads to war in one in which they somehow get Chinese backing, then use those nukes to blast a couple of big-ass holes through the DMZ and roll south with everything they have. They would do a LOT of damage. Seoul would be wrecked, central South Korea would be a mess, and it would take some pretty sharp action to stop them. But it would happen. It would be the Korean War all over again, with the same result: unless China or Russia intervenes on behalf of North Korea, they cease to exist. 

North Korea is all kinds of crazy, but suicidal they aren't. Even if they actually believe their own propaganda vis-a-vis the US, they're quite realistic when it comes to China. They know they have an icicle's chance in Hell of taking them, and they have even less chance than that of surviving very long without their backing.

In summary: short of suicide, there will be no war, at least not started by North Korea. This current brinksmanship is happening for internal political reasons in North Korea, and will blow over eventually.
2013-04-09 01:18:07 PM  
9 votes:
I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...
2013-04-09 02:05:55 PM  
8 votes:

ThatGuyGreg: whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all

Everybody posts that map, with no legend as to what the dark red vs. the light red means.


Fine.

Here:

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And here:

news.bbcimg.co.uk

And here:

www.forte.jor.br

The point is: Vancouver, Seattle, San Francisco, and LA are all in the 'maybe...if everything goes right' range. 

Also, Alaska and Hawaii are very much part of the US.
 
Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.
2013-04-09 04:04:11 PM  
5 votes:
OK, hands up who got this picture in their minds when they first heard that the Japanese were deploying a missile
defense system?

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2013-04-09 03:00:25 PM  
5 votes:

Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.


Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...
2013-04-09 02:35:23 PM  
5 votes:

ThatGuyGreg: PreMortem: Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.

I imagine the US'll shoot down anything as soon as it clears NK airspace.


Sadly, that's harder to do than you might think. Just like they're lying through their teeth about shooting the US, we're lying through our teeth about our ability to shoot everything down.

Ground-based interceptors (GBI) have about a 50% success rate in tests, and that's under conditions where we know when the shot is coming, where it's being aimed, how fast it will be going, and what the profile of the target it. Expect that rate to drop by at least 50% in real-world conditions. We cheat, and say we'll fire 4 or 5 for a cumulative kill rate of 97%, but that's a projection - it's never been tested.

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) has a 100% test rate to date, but it's more limited in range and speed.

So...IF we can get THAAD-equipped ships in place, and IF they get proper intelligence of a coming test shot, and IF they can fire in the 1 - 2 minute window needed to successfully intercept, then yes...we can probably shoot their missile down. If THAAD doesn't come into play, we've got a greatly diminished chance of shooting it down.

Don't get me wrong: it's a hell of a lot more than we had in the Cold War, and a hell of a lot better than the 'nothing' everyone else has, but it's still far from a sure thing.
2013-04-09 02:15:44 PM  
5 votes:
Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.
2013-04-09 01:14:23 PM  
5 votes:
Can't imagine why Japan would be all flinchy about possible nuke tests.

nuclearweaponarchive.org

Oh, yeah.
2013-04-09 03:16:22 PM  
4 votes:

whistleridge: ThatGuyGreg: PreMortem: Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.

I imagine the US'll shoot down anything as soon as it clears NK airspace.

Sadly, that's harder to do than you might think. Just like they're lying through their teeth about shooting the US, we're lying through our teeth about our ability to shoot everything down.

Ground-based interceptors (GBI) have about a 50% success rate in tests, and that's under conditions where we know when the shot is coming, where it's being aimed, how fast it will be going, and what the profile of the target it. Expect that rate to drop by at least 50% in real-world conditions. We cheat, and say we'll fire 4 or 5 for a cumulative kill rate of 97%, but that's a projection - it's never been tested.

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) has a 100% test rate to date, but it's more limited in range and speed.

So...IF we can get THAAD-equipped ships in place, and IF they get proper intelligence of a coming test shot, and IF they can fire in the 1 - 2 minute window needed to successfully intercept, then yes...we can probably shoot their missile down. If THAAD doesn't come into play, we've got a greatly diminished chance of shooting it down.

Don't get me wrong: it's a hell of a lot more than we had in the Cold War, and a hell of a lot better than the 'nothing' everyone else has, but it's still far from a sure thing.


I believe THAAD is actually in place already. Along with some weird little floating radar buoy box we put out in the Pacific. Some people have speculated that this means we've moved a solid portion of our B-2 fleet to Guam, as many people in Missouri reported seeing a squadron fly towards the west coast a few days back. Missouri and Guam are the only bases where these bombers can be flown out of. NK's main weapon is its artillery. They currently have the largest artillery force on the planet. They bought almost everyone's surplus after air superiority became the name of the game. Their positions are dug in for this, and the shelling of Seoul would be brutal. That's really their only card apart from human wave tactics. Half of their guns don't even work. If you watch their propaganda videos, some of the AKs are missing the bolt carrier, their machine guns are cobbled together from various obsolete models and made solely to look scary, and their training is laughable. They fire from the hip while advancing. This works well for a human wave, but only if your gun has a bolt. Without that, you might as well be pointing at people and yelling bang.

tl;dr- NK has nothing worth mentioning apart from artillery as far as conventional warfare is concerned, and we've put countermeasures in place for missile launches.
2013-04-09 03:07:15 PM  
4 votes:
You think lil Kim has seen "The Mouse that Roared" one too many times.


I was watching BBC world news this morning and they were showing how Japan has deployed anti missle battaries around th ecountry and said if anything flew near them they would shoot it down.
2013-04-09 03:06:29 PM  
4 votes:

KarmicDisaster: If they do shoot a missile over Japan, the trajectory probably won't allow current systems to shoot it down, it will be near apogee when it passes over won't it? Unless it malfunctions and part of hit hits Japan, oops, then all hell will break loose.


Japan ain't going to give a good goddamn about apogee. If it enters Japanese airspace, they're going to flip their shiat.
2013-04-09 02:57:12 PM  
4 votes:

Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.


Yes, but this time they've gone Full Retard before doing so.
2013-04-09 02:23:20 PM  
4 votes:

PreMortem: Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.


I imagine the US'll shoot down anything as soon as it clears NK airspace.
2013-04-09 01:35:14 PM  
4 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.


Really?
2013-04-09 03:28:47 PM  
3 votes:
I've been following the best korea threads (and ty, as always to you witty farkers) and it's like a soap opera with the speculation and drama escalation

Out of concern for the people of best korea who apparently hate the US due to endless propaganda, who don't have enough to eat, who are guilty of nothing more than geographic accident of birth, I have begun to pray they don't have to go through some of the scenarios posted here (and in earlier threads)

Being a godless american, I doubt prayer helps but I really, really don't want the "best case NK will last mere hours due to military overpowerment" for people doing nothing but walking around in their homeland.
2013-04-09 03:23:27 PM  
3 votes:

Unoriginal_Username: Infernalist: EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?

To be fair, those RREs are way way way out of reach right now.  NK mines only operate at about 30% capacity out of safety concerns.  They're obscenely outdated and in need of serious repair.  To get at those RREs in any real capacity would take a massive overhaul of existing infrastructure and modernization of their mining equipment.

A serious serious investment that would only pay off in a decade or so, if that.

So the next war will be over rocks instead of oil.

/I guess this is the logical option. First it was religion, now it's resources.


It was really always about resources. The people at the top always knew it. Religion is to get the drooling, common clay to help.
2013-04-09 03:20:34 PM  
3 votes:

neongoats: stonicus: Kim is like someone who plays the single player version of an FPS on easy level, then thinks he is going to dominate in actual on-line multiplayer situations.

You mean RTS.. I mean, they are Korean after all.


egamer.co.za
2013-04-09 02:59:07 PM  
3 votes:

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...


Oh, Kim won't be permitted to see the rebuild. He's going to either die in the middle of it or become the new world hide-and-seek champ.
2013-04-09 01:39:24 PM  
3 votes:

EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?


To be fair, those RREs are way way way out of reach right now.  NK mines only operate at about 30% capacity out of safety concerns.  They're obscenely outdated and in need of serious repair.  To get at those RREs in any real capacity would take a massive overhaul of existing infrastructure and modernization of their mining equipment.

A serious serious investment that would only pay off in a decade or so, if that.
2013-04-09 01:36:48 PM  
3 votes:

GAT_00: Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.

Has Japan ever claimed they would shoot down a test missile before?


Just read that.  Also, caught this tidbit that's going to drive NK nuts...

He said Okinawa was "the place that is most effective in responding to emergencies ... so we should deploy the unit in Okinawa on a permanent basis".

Permanent basis for a few Patriot missile launchers.  That's basically the Japanese saying "No more missile flyovers of Japan for you."
2013-04-09 01:31:53 PM  
3 votes:

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...


I don't believe that Kim would make it through such an affair with both his head and his freedom intact.  The world hasn't been kind to disposed dictators of late.
2013-04-09 01:29:19 PM  
3 votes:

Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.


Has Japan ever claimed they would shoot down a test missile before?
2013-04-09 01:23:54 PM  
3 votes:

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...


Unlikely to happen.  More likely is a Chinese annexation of NK.  And they'll only do that if absolutely necessary.
2013-04-09 01:21:18 PM  
3 votes:

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...


Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.  They can't grow anything.  They can't produce anything but weapons.  Sadly, they are very good at that.  We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.
2013-04-10 12:37:09 AM  
2 votes:

StopLurkListen: I don't know what "irradiated water" means. Water doesn't become radioactive, the ash is. Water blocks radiation. If there's radioactive ash in the water, it will eventually sink and the radiation would be shielded by the water.


Pure water doesn't cause a problem. It's the impurities that are the problem. An underwater blast throws a lot of those impurities into the air and that really is a problem. True that it would be fairly localized but depending upon where it is that can cause huge problems. The navy has spent untold millions of dollars in water wash down systems for their ships and even they say that they are not perfect. Now imagine a port facility with who knows how many corrugated containers and no way to even hose them off.

It may not be deadly in the sense of an airburst but it would cripple any port in the world.
2013-04-09 11:51:40 PM  
2 votes:

UnspokenVoice: JustGetItRight: UnspokenVoice: Correct me if I'm mistaken but I don't think we can reliably shoot down artillery shells which is the main danger for Seoul. The rockets, which we can sometimes shoot down, are for more distant targets while Seoul is "nicely" within artillery range

Actually, we can reliably shoot down artillery shells - just not on the scale needed to defend an entire city.

Centurion C-RAM

Oh, and the 'their artillery would level Seoul' rumor's been debunked repeatedly in every NK thread over the last few years.  Most of their tubes don't have the range to hit anything other than the suburbs and those that do won't fire nearly enough rounds to do massive damage before being destroyed by US/RoK air strikes.

Interesting and thanks. There was a dude on CNN earlier today who postulated that Seoul was destined to take a significant amount of damage (I think that's verbatim) if they launched their artillery. As he was an "expert" in the field I'll defer to him instead of it being "debunked in a Fark thread" however. No offense intended or anything and he may well be mistaken but he's the "expert."

(I treat science the same way, deferring to the quantum physicists instead of the guys in the Geek tab as being the more credible source.) There's every chance that they're wrong, I accept that, but I've heard enough of them repeat the same general thing so I'll go with them.

Sadly that leaves me with this:

Yeah, it seems we can shoot some down but not enough to make much of a difference and they're still screwed. I don't think anyone believes that they can turn Seoul into a "sea of fire" but they're still pretty well screwed with (again, going from memory) the 170mm artillery. While it's certainly not leveling the city (which wasn't something I was worried about) it is still potentially a lot of damage and death. IIRC the 170mm was capable of ~45 miles which means people are potentially dead and property damaged. I don't think anyone credible believed NK's ...


Feel free to go with them, but remember CNN's paying him to say something dramatic sounding.

Seoul proper sits out of range of pretty much everything but that 170mm gun - and even then it is a stretch.  They're certainly capable of hitting the city with rockets but witht the case of both guns and rockets there are several things to consider.

First is logistics.  The idea that Seoul could be hammered is based on the premise that these weapons are delivering sustained fire at or near their maximum capability.  First, that isn't going to happen because they can't maintain the ammuntion supply and the weapons or people will break down.

Second is survivability.  The more they fire, the more they expose their location.    Between air strikes and counterbattery fire, they'll die in a fast and furious fashion.

Third is actual destructive potential versus target size.  Seoul's something like 250 square miles and those shells aren't going to destroy much more than a single family dwelling with one hit.

No matter what some talking head says on CNN, they simply cannot do it with conventional weapons.  Here's someone that lays it out pretty well:  http://blog.keia.org/2013/02/north-koreas-conventional-weapons-threat /
2013-04-09 11:37:44 PM  
2 votes:

StopLurkListen: Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.

I hafta say it again? THIS KIND OF ATTACK IS ALMOST FUTILE.

Go here: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html. Type in an address ("San Francisco, CA" or "Seoul" or Los Angeles") and a yield in kilotons ("7" = North Korea's latest test yield) and center the map as close as possible to the shore. Put it right up against ATT Park, even.

A few city blocks get vaporized. Many hundreds of thousands of windows shatter. And that's about it.

Try Tokyo - even more futile. A big bang, but a very big metropolis remains untouched. And now there are several hundred million very, very, very angry people with more firepower than God (at least as far as you're concerned, if you're Kim Jong Un)


What I was considering was not the immediate damage from the blast but the long term consequences from the fallout and irradiated water. That big boom would throw many tons of instantly radioactive water into the air and all over the cities. It would screw things up pretty badly as we learned at Bikini Atol
2013-04-09 11:31:59 PM  
2 votes:

Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.


I hafta say it again? THIS KIND OF ATTACK IS ALMOST FUTILE.

Go here: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html. Type in an address ("San Francisco, CA" or "Seoul" or Los Angeles") and a yield in kilotons ("7" = North Korea's latest test yield) and center the map as close as possible to the shore. Put it right up against ATT Park, even.

A few city blocks get vaporized. Many hundreds of thousands of windows shatter. And that's about it.

Try Tokyo - even more futile. A big bang, but a very big metropolis remains untouched. And now there are several hundred million very, very, very angry people with more firepower than God (at least as far as you're concerned, if you're Kim Jong Un)
2013-04-09 11:28:55 PM  
2 votes:

mrexcess: Eh. To be honest I have a lot of sympathy for the dude.


Yeah... No. He didn't have to take those reigns of power. He could have walked into the nearest US embassy in Bern or wherever he was and quietly asked for asylum. He didn't. He's power addled and seems to think that he can get away with a lot of crap that he can't.

I may be wrong on some of that but he did have the chance to chuck it all and get out of the family business but he didn't take it. He chose power and (relative) riches over safety and not ruling one of the most despotic nations on earth. He made his own bed and now he lies in it.
2013-04-09 09:16:36 PM  
2 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: scubamage: I can't help but wonder if this is a feint to try and restructure their country by providing a media-friendly "blaze of glory" moment. Their officials know that with their current economy and standard of living, they aren't going to go anywhere but more downhill. Their isolationism has strangled them. Un is smart enough to know that he can't win and that their current system of government is unsustainable, but can't speak out because of the old guard in the military and older party members. So, he is driving their country into a battle they can't possibly win so their country is forcefully rebuilt and their people can thrive - the ones that live through it anyway.

Or, they have a dagger hidden at our back somewhere and we haven't figured out where. Those are the two scenarios I can think of.

Cyber attack and a high altitude EMP nuke? Maybe a couple of hundred English-speaking business-suited armed commandos landing in Seattle and disbursing throughout the country via bus and rail?



The whole thing is ludicrous, but this is the part that really has me rolling.

It's fairly easy for SK to pick up infiltrators and spies, due to how badly out of date they're dressed and how they gawk and stare at the most mundane of things.  Like a grocery store.

So, the concept of English speaking NKorean commandos sneaking into America is enough to have me giggling like I'm high.
2013-04-09 08:39:16 PM  
2 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Iplaybass: Simple.

Wait until it's dark. Then bomb the living shiat out of anything in North Korea that has lights on. Problem solved. I don't think anyone would object.

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Soooo basically bomb Pyongyang and only Pyongyang

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You know, Best Korea would be a nice place to put an observatory.
2013-04-09 08:04:09 PM  
2 votes:

whistleridge: ThatGuyGreg: whistleridge: 3.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.


Eh. Not everything revolves around Palo Alto and San Jose. There are various other high speed research centers in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas...that will pick up the load to keep things running.  Lots of universities kicking out new geniuses too.
2013-04-09 07:19:02 PM  
2 votes:

foo monkey: A bomb smaller than Little Boy would still decimate a city, moran.


Uh, you shouldn't be too sure of that. A bomb like little boy would not do too much damage to a city with modern construction involving concrete and steel. One of the main reasons it did SO MUCH damage when dropped on Nagasaki was that the city was literally made of wood and rice paper.

There's a reason no one uses single, big bombs anymore. MIRVs and multiple weapons with overlapping detonation patterns to create consecutive overpressure waves and firestorms are where it's at now.
2013-04-09 06:58:37 PM  
2 votes:

lepton68: Wouldn't it be much easier to get the nuke closer to the USA and launch it from there? Hide it in a boat and sail toward our coast. Or probably easier, take the bomb, smuggle it into Canada then into the US and pick whatever city you want to destroy. Not trivial but easier than designing a very long range missile..


Here is why you can sleep tight knowing that it will never happen.
Nukes tend to give out a bit of radiation.  Ok scratch that, a farkTON of radiation.  Not even lethal levels necessarily but for geiger counters and other detecters a nuke is a giant glowing beacon saying "LOOK HERE!".  Want to know how sensitive the detecters are along the borders?  If you get radiation treatment, they have to give you a special card to show at the border when you inevitably get pulled over because all the detecters light up when you get within blocks of them.  They aren't just detecting radiation at the checkpoints, hell they arent just detecting radiation at the borders.  If a dirty bomb could have been snuck into the country, they would already have lit one off.

A whole world full of crap to worry about, somebody sneaking in a nuke does not belong on that list however.
2013-04-09 06:37:46 PM  
2 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.


I'm constantly amazed at the sociopathic self-centeredness of Fark's lefties. So you would trade the lives of 20+ million people for a nice pad in Hawaii?


AdolfOliverPanties: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.  They can't grow anything.  They can't produce anything but weapons.  Sadly, they are very good at that.  We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.



Idiot answering an idiot.

I'm also constantly amazed at the profound ignorance of Fark's lefties.

God help the world if you morons ever run things.
2013-04-09 06:07:44 PM  
2 votes:

Loose_Cannon: If there isn't a small group of resisters to the madness of North Korea, then they don't deserve to survive.God help me, but I just don't believe the destruction of NK, and all it's people, would be a bad idea.Many are praying for death, and those who aren't deserve it.


You should be ashamed at your mind-bending arrogance.Have you ever been tortured by years of no food? Not just years, but even your parent's generation dealing with starvation? Had your mind warped by propaganda from the day you were born? If so, I don't think you'd be nearly as tough as you pretend.

What if in the future, it becomes a fact that 1st World industries have obliterated the environment past no return, and people living in the dominant country call for the destruction of yours with no mercy because "God help me, since there wasn't a small group of resisters to the madness of the 21st century, they all deserve to die."?
2013-04-09 05:43:06 PM  
2 votes:

Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.


Read up on japanese history. Sure theyve been timid since ww2. But feel free to poke that tifer with a stick.
Ever hear of the rape of nanking. Best korea goes picking that fight and I wouldnt be surprised to hear of the rape of pyongyang.

dont fark with those people. Even a rabid wolverine is harmless when sleeping. You poke it with a stick your taking your chances
2013-04-09 05:28:33 PM  
2 votes:

pedobearapproved: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

missmeyet.jpg


You mean this one?
www.q-bo.com

Yeah - If he were in office, he'd already be wearing a flight suit, with a banner saying "Mission Accomplished."

We need a keen tactical mind like that one...
2013-04-09 04:53:10 PM  
2 votes:
Tomorrow Japan will activate:
www.wired.com
and shoot down the missile.
2013-04-09 04:47:21 PM  
2 votes:

GleeUnit: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

I don't believe that Kim would make it through such an affair with both his head and his freedom intact.  The world hasn't been kind to disposed dictators of late.


Also, he's going to have a much harder time trying to hide out among the general population than Saddam or Muammar did.
2013-04-09 04:45:06 PM  
2 votes:

texdent: Dinobot: Japan will deploy Godzilla, Ultraman, Gamera and the Power Rangers if Best Korea follows thru with their threats.

Don't forget Sailor Moon, Sunfire, Big Hero 6, and a few others.


Needs more Space Battleship Yamato.
2013-04-09 04:44:03 PM  
2 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: DougTaupe: A friend of mine showed me a pic of B2's parked en-masse on the tarmac at Nellis a little over a week ago. I would say there's a good chance they are in theater by now.

A better question is:
What carriers, attack subs, and boomers are out at sea now and do we even have confirmed locations on any of them.

I imagine there's a LOT of subs out in the Sea of Japan right now.  Question is, how many carrier groups are in the area?


Believe it or not, you can actually get that info pretty easily.  We don't have that many and they aren't easy to hide.

www.stratfor.com
2013-04-09 04:31:30 PM  
2 votes:

farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 850x479]
Japan will never see them coming.


The rest of the leaves were used as a life-sustaining salad.
2013-04-09 04:06:29 PM  
2 votes:

Oldiron_79: IF best Korea makes us nuke them I hope we use Manned Strategic Bombers rather than ICBMs or SLCMs just so the CHICOMs or Rooskies dont have thier early warning systems go full retard and think we are launching at them.


There hasn't been any real chance that the US would use nuclear weapons for anything other than retaliation against a nuclear attack from the Soviet Union since at least the late 1960's. And Obama is probably the most anti-nuclear President that we've ever had. More importantly it's VERY unlikely that this will become a shooting war, even if N. Korea launches a missile over Japan(unlikely) the Japanese will shoot it down and the world will continue very much the same as it did yesterday.
2013-04-09 04:00:01 PM  
2 votes:

nekom: Given that they have actively THREATENED nuclear war, Japan has absolutely every right to shoot down any missile coming from there.  I rather doubt Japan would do anything else, but they certainly have made it clear that they absolutely do intend to do so.  Patriot missile batteries deployed in Tokyo.  They have to protect their own population, any nation would do the same.


I'd think, though I might be wrong, that putting them somewhere in Hokkaido might be better than somewhere in Tokyo. Though they might do even more better if they simply dropped several tons of nekomimi and shoujo pantsu on Pyongyang. Follow that up with a rain of Pocky and blast some J-Pop at them. They would either convert, go crazy, or both.

The greatest deterrent that North Korea has is itself. No one really wants to win against them because that would mean you get possession of a shiathole country that needs a ton of rebuilding work... and that's even before you consider the war damage. I doubt that even South Korea would want it even if it meant unification, the necessary resources would likely bankrupt them. The only real hope is a coup that puts in semi-coherent leadership that moves the country in a saner and more democratic direction. If that happened, a number of countries would likely help them thru several UN assistance programs.

But all that is moot as long as the Kim family remains in charge.
2013-04-09 03:57:39 PM  
2 votes:

Bendimus_Prime: Agreed. But, I think what Snotnose should have said was:

Phase 1. NK launches fully armed nuke.
Phase 2. Navigation goes crazy.
Phase 3. Detonates in an uninhabited area of Siberia.
Phase 4. Sit back with popcorn
Phase 5. ?
Phase 6. Profit.


WHAT?  Have the people of Tunguska not suffered enough!?!?!
2013-04-09 03:53:58 PM  
2 votes:

Infernalist: whistleridge: Why We Will Not Go To War With North Korea:


[SNIP Interesting stuff]

Whatever's going on in NK, it's managed to put China on the same side as Japan.
No matter what else goes down, 'that' deserves to be noticed and remarked upon.


Well, Saddam Hussein managed to unite the USSR and the USA (though, to be fair, this was post-Soviet Russia).

But, yeah:  when you put it that way, the uniting of two age-old mortal enemies is a mark of how crazy dangerous
Lil' Kim has managed to become.
2013-04-09 03:51:11 PM  
2 votes:

Oldiron_79: IF best Korea makes us nuke them I hope we use Manned Strategic Bombers rather than ICBMs or SLCMs just so the CHICOMs or Rooskies dont have thier early warning systems go full retard and think we are launching at them.


In the highly unlikely event of things going that far, you can be pretty sure that the other ICBM capable countries would get a heads up prior to launch.
2013-04-09 03:38:17 PM  
2 votes:

probesport: Shazam999: [fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net image 600x720]

Mongler?


It's from 4chan.  Best not to ask questions.
2013-04-09 03:31:20 PM  
2 votes:
akula: Not sure I want to see those.

Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made. 

You're more optimistic than I am that there won't be war. I tend to think it's unlikely, but when you get stuff all primed up and the Norks are just wild and nutty, and well, shiat can happen from something like a missile test when you've been promising to nuke everybody within reach.

NK has a long and glorious history of talking big and playing small. They haven't fought a meaningful action since the 1950s. Their equipment is outdated. They're on the edge of a famine, they have untested leadership, and they have to know our military is both veteran and technologically superior. They're like a kid who talks about how he will CUT YOU, but won't do more than chest bump unless he knows his big brother will have his back.

NK has less ability to harm the US directly than Luxembourg current possesses. But they do have the ability to bloody SK's nose (or really piss off the Japanese). Hopefully they'll decide they've rattled their sabers enough, but one of these days they actually WILL cross the line and start something. That or implode. I'd give even money odds between those two potential scenarios playing out.

My bet is on implosion. NK is like the monkey with its hand in the cookie jar for China: they would love to replace them with a more viable ally, but can't without force, which NK has enough nukes to deter. But of course, when they DO implode, those nukes may well come into play anyway. 

And so we're stuck with a pariah state, biding our time and hoping an opportunity eventually comes up that allows us to lower the pressure without anything stupid happening...
2013-04-09 03:30:46 PM  
2 votes:

Shazam999: [fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net image 600x720]


Mongler?
2013-04-09 03:29:34 PM  
2 votes:
fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net
2013-04-09 03:25:31 PM  
2 votes:
Funny how our American Troops were treated in Chosun, and yet we can all get together now as allies and do the Ganham style dance, while over in the middle east, those primitive humanoids cannot reconcile differences over a thousand years old.
/just sayin'
2013-04-09 03:22:59 PM  
2 votes:
Obligatory

i75.photobucket.com
2013-04-09 03:21:40 PM  
2 votes:

whistleridge: akula: whistleridge: Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

You're assuming they can actually tip that super long range three stage TD2 missile with a functional nuclear weapon. And that everything works.

I doubt the missile actually has that range, could hit anything accurately (even within a CEP of a few miles) at that range), would actually work as expected, and I REALLY doubt they have a nuclear weapon they can put on the top of the thing. It's one thing to build an atomic bomb. It's another to get the packaging down to a size where it fits on a rocket and is actually deliverable by ICBM.

The only evidence I've seen or heard of (not that I've seen a ton) that they actually have such a warhead is NK's own hyperbolic statements. At this point I'd trust a used car dealer to give me a reliable vehicle at a great price more than I would Kim Jong Un to accurately portray the current state of their forces.

How I can tell you didn't read the whole thread :p 

See my Boobies.


Not sure I want to see those.

You're more optimistic than I am that there won't be war. I tend to think it's unlikely, but when you get stuff all primed up and the Norks are just wild and nutty, and well, shiat can happen from something like a missile test when you've been promising to nuke everybody within reach.

NK has less ability to harm the US directly than Luxembourg current possesses. But they do have the ability to bloody SK's nose (or really piss off the Japanese). Hopefully they'll decide they've rattled their sabers enough, but one of these days they actually WILL cross the line and start something. That or implode. I'd give even money odds between those two potential scenarios playing out.
2013-04-09 03:18:14 PM  
2 votes:

stonicus: Kim is like someone who plays the single player version of an FPS on easy level, then thinks he is going to dominate in actual on-line multiplayer situations.


You mean RTS.. I mean, they are Korean after all.
2013-04-09 03:13:41 PM  
2 votes:

whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.


FTFY
2013-04-09 03:10:01 PM  
2 votes:

nekom: Very true. Though only the older generation remembers firsthand, but I can see why of all people in the world they might be especially worried about nukes.


The older generation remembers getting nuked by the US. They all remember the Fukushima incident.
2013-04-09 03:05:33 PM  
2 votes:

Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.


Japan has never pre-announced their plans to shoot down the missile before.
2013-04-09 03:04:50 PM  
2 votes:

nekom: Given that they have actively THREATENED nuclear war, Japan has absolutely every right to shoot down any missile coming from there.  I rather doubt Japan would do anything else, but they certainly have made it clear that they absolutely do intend to do so.  Patriot missile batteries deployed in Tokyo.  They have to protect their own population, any nation would do the same.


Besides, the one thing you don't threaten in front of Japan is nuclear anything. They get rather cross about the prospect of getting nuked. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Fukushima, and remember, Godzilla was originally an allegory about being reckless with nuclear power brought on after a random fishing boat of theirs got caught in nuclear-test fallout.
2013-04-09 03:04:40 PM  
2 votes:

netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...


I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?
2013-04-09 03:01:26 PM  
2 votes:
Given that they have actively THREATENED nuclear war, Japan has absolutely every right to shoot down any missile coming from there.  I rather doubt Japan would do anything else, but they certainly have made it clear that they absolutely do intend to do so.  Patriot missile batteries deployed in Tokyo.  They have to protect their own population, any nation would do the same.
2013-04-09 01:59:56 PM  
2 votes:

ThatGuyGreg: whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all

Everybody posts that map, with no legend as to what the dark red vs. the light red means. Also, Alaska and Hawaii are very much part of the US.


Considering the level of tech involved in what they laughably call a 'delivery system', they'd be lucky if it didn't accidentally end up landing in China.
2013-04-09 01:33:11 PM  
2 votes:

GleeUnit: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

I don't believe that Kim would make it through such an affair with both his head and his freedom intact.  The world hasn't been kind to disposed dictators of late.


Deposed, even.
2013-04-09 01:17:26 PM  
2 votes:
I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.
2013-04-10 11:17:06 AM  
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: mrexcess: Eh. To be honest I have a lot of sympathy for the dude.

Yeah... No. He didn't have to take those reigns of power. He could have walked into the nearest US embassy in Bern or wherever he was and quietly asked for asylum.


Nah, I bet he always had "guards" with him during his college years. Guards who would assassinate him as soon if he merely had the thought of walking into an embassy for asylum.
2013-04-10 04:19:28 AM  
1 votes:

Fano: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: teenage mutant ninja rapist: Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.

Read up on japanese history. Sure theyve been timid since ww2. But feel free to poke that tifer with a stick.
Ever hear of the rape of nanking. Best korea goes picking that fight and I wouldnt be surprised to hear of the rape of pyongyang.

dont fark with those people. Even a rabid wolverine is harmless when sleeping. You poke it with a stick your taking your chances

Here's the thing about Japan. The culture and the people were molded by 600 virtually continuous years of warfare between various warlords. The peasants survived only by the grace and sufferance of the Samurai and the nobility, and obedience to people with weapons became the cultural norm. Think about that for a minute. 600 years.

Would it really be possible for one defeat in a world war and two small nukes to snuff that heritage out?

NK better watch it's ass.

That's a very good point. I would add Germany to that roster too, since they had bedeviled the world since the Roman era, and since WWII have played MUCH nicer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ4rpzDDUDQ I wish I could find a version of this video that wasn't labeled "funny scene" with multiple repeats because the scene in Delta Force where the blonde stewardess is forced by hijackers to pick out the Jews on the plane is heartbreaking. "I CAN'T! I'M GERMAN!"


Prior to the 19th century, "Germany" didn't really exist. It was a collection of small countries that were as likely to be at war with each other as anyone else.
2013-04-10 12:52:26 AM  
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: They can't grow anything. They can't produce anything but weapons. Sadly, they are very good at that. We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business. They have shiat for natural resources.


*sigh* We've had horticultural tech, dead simple shiat, for decades, that would make them easily competitive in the world market.

and they have a stable supply of nutrient salts right on their beaches. Look up SEA-90 some time.

You got any qualifications (versus my global horticultural experience) to back your hypothesis up?
2013-04-10 12:51:02 AM  
1 votes:
I North Korea tries shiat. It'll be like WW2 all over again, because a lot of Chosun people will get killed.
2013-04-10 12:37:03 AM  
1 votes:

StopLurkListen: Uchiha_Cycliste: StopLurkListen: Fair enough, but you only need a "dirty bomb" to do that. And you still have the problem of overwhelming retaliation.

I guess then if you wanted to use the nuke's power too you would want to be under the bay bridge or over in West Oakland where all the shipping goes on. IIRC it's a huge commercial port, right? then you get the irradiated water and destroy commercial shipping, more bang for your buck

Blowing up a bridge would do what for North Korea? Other than causing a transportation headache for commuters it's not a very effective thing to attack. And a port is probably a good place to attack, from our point of view - lots and lots of empty space. They're really just supersized parking lots. I'm trying to get the point across that those North Korean warheads are really low yield. They're weaker than the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs. You're not going to level a city with them.

I don't know what "irradiated water" means. Water doesn't become radioactive, the ash is. Water blocks radiation. If there's radioactive ash in the water, it will eventually sink and the radiation would be shielded by the water.

If your aim is to scatter radioactive materials, using a nuke kinda works against you. The superheated column of air lifts most of the ash up into the stratosphere. Unless you ("you" meaning Kim Jong Un) just want to raise the global background radiation... then why not set off bombs in Yongbyon anyway? No delivery plot needed.


I don't know what they get out of it
they said they want to nuke major cities, I'm trying to hepl them figure out how to actually get it done.  Also, I thought one of the unexpected effects from Operation Crossroads was that all the water that fell down after the blasts was radioactive as all hell. Covered the ships they had placed for the tests.
2013-04-10 12:27:59 AM  
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: So, So. SF? I'm in redwood.

DC near Seaton. I'm totally "Safe" if someone nukes The City waterfront what with SBM in the way and how the winds blow. I'm totally farked if the San Andreas does another 1906 though. I;m something like a mile or so away from that much more likely scenario (Mussel Rock epicenter).


I've heard tell that Crystal Springs is entirely thanks to the San Andreas. that it sits on the fault and that there is a big indention there because of the fault line. I'm only a few miles from it myself. But thankfully I rent. my plan is to buy a place in the city after the big one hits and everything built after the 1906 is destroyed.

Unrelated. The Agnews developmental center has a spot with a bunch of information about the "The GreatAsylum for theInsane" that used to be there, on one of the plaques it talks about the 1905 earthquake, "which resulted in the deaths of 97 patients and  stuff" lulz
2013-04-10 12:26:20 AM  
1 votes:

Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.


New government, new possibilities
2013-04-09 11:58:35 PM  
1 votes:

mrexcess: Really? The only explanation you can think of for why he didn't defect and run away to for the non-guaranteed chance of a life of ignominy in the States is because he's "power addled"? Come on. Put yourself in his shoes. If he didn't take the job, who was going to? What would that have meant for his countrymen? Bear in mind that not everyone has the individualistic, "fark all y'all I got mine" mindset of your typical American that might make such an option more appealing... even if in his heart of hearts he views his father as something of the monster that we do, the family name and legacy would not be such an easy thing to surrender. And bear in mind that he's lived his entire life under the dominating thumb of his fathers' regime, and probably had/has a different conception of its reach and power than we do.


He wasn't under the thumb of his countries regime when he was being taught in Switzerland. He had to have seen what he was facing and he chose to ignore it over not having that power. I will concede that he might have taken it out of a sense of misguided loyalty but that's it.

I think you're wrong. To the extent that he has any choice in matters at all, which is far less than I think we in the West tend to perceive it to be, he's been doing what he perceives as best for his people, his family name, and the safety of himself and his own wife and offspring. I hope, sooner rather than later, he gets a handle on how his figurehead status comes with some actual political power, so he can harness that power to purge the self-interested and manipulative warmongers who are trying to steer him towards their designs and instead finally set a rational course towards some actual prosperity for himself and his people.

He did have a choice. You may be correct that he is trying to do some Machiavellian maneuvering to get his country into a better place but he's screwing it up royally right now in my opinion.
2013-04-09 11:43:41 PM  
1 votes:

Uchiha_Cycliste: Also, thanks for the crash course in Subs. I just learned a lot that was no where mentioned in BMB. And, obviously, you just poked a bunch of holes in my already sinking vessel of an idea.


NP. There is a lot of information on this kind of stuff out there if you're willing to look. If you want some of the more technical details then go read US Submarines through 1945 and US Submarines after 1945  (google Books links). They cover the issues quite well although the Google Books versions leave out some pages of course.
2013-04-09 11:43:04 PM  
1 votes:

Uchiha_Cycliste: StopLurkListen: Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.

I hafta say it again? THIS KIND OF ATTACK IS ALMOST FUTILE.

Go here: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html. Type in an address ("San Francisco, CA" or "Seoul" or Los Angeles") and a yield in kilotons ("7" = North Korea's latest test yield) and center the map as close as possible to the shore. Put it right up against ATT Park, even.

A few city blocks get vaporized. Many hundreds of thousands of windows shatter. And that's about it.

Try Tokyo - even more futile. A big bang, but a very big metropolis remains untouched. And now there are several hundred million very, very, very angry people with more firepower than God (at least as far as you're concerned, if you're Kim Jong Un)

What I was considering was not the immediate damage from the blast but the long term consequences from the fallout and irradiated water. That big boom would throw many tons of instantly radioactive water into the air and all over the cities. It would screw things up pretty badly as we learned at Bikini Atol


Fair enough, but you only need a "dirty bomb" to do that. And you still have the problem of overwhelming retaliation.
2013-04-09 11:35:41 PM  
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: I didn't know weight mattered that much when submerged, I figured that it wouldn't affect buoyancy and that once they got it moving it would only take so much energy to keep it going. if weight does matter a lot then my idea is right out the window. I was thinking that with a skeleton crew and lots of batteries they might be able to avoid snorkeling by virtue of having enough power and using up very little O2, but I'll happily default to your opinion on this.
BMB was a great book. My father used to work for a defense company and can't tell me anything about the work, but one day he handed me that book and dogeared one of the pages, telling me that it's an interesting book and that "one of the pages had been dog-eared *wink*" Very cool.

Weight is all that matters when submerged, and i say that as someone who was qualified (provisionally) as a Chief of the Watch (the guy whose job it was to pump water around and out amongst other things). And not just weight but properly balanced weight. Down to a few hundred pounds when you are dead in the water and hovering. Speed is what makes that easier to control, faster means that you can use the hull as a plane and not have to worry so much about it. But you still want to be on top of it just in case something bad happens.

Submarines are unlike surface ships in that in a surface ship they start off with a rough plan when designing them. There is a lot of reserve buoyancy to play with as they go along and that means a lot of room to shift things around to balance them out. A submarine has to pretty much be completely designed and the weight distribution calculations made before a single hull section is formed. Lead ballasting can help to fine tune it (for example a regular 688 had about 100 tons of lead ballast in the front which is one of the reasons why the 688i could add vertical launch tubes later on and even then when on the surface they (the original 688's) have a noticeable upward pitch angle. That ate ...


Heh,,,
Also, thanks for the crash course in Subs. I just learned a lot that was no where mentioned in BMB. And, obviously, you just poked a bunch of holes in my already sinking vessel of an idea.

\Hooray for mixed metaphors!
2013-04-09 11:03:27 PM  
1 votes:

mrexcess: OK, here's my read on the dealio:

Un is a reformer. The regime's usual pattern of oscillation between hand-extending and "bellicose rhetoric" is now occurring for somewhat unusual reasons: the "powers behind the throne" within the DPRK are trying to make Un as unpopular a figure internationally as his father was, and thereby set the tone of the relationship between North Korea and the world, assuring the regime's survival (so their reasoning goes). Un himself is a more-or-less reluctant figurehead, although he dare not let on to that.

I actually wish that Un could build a strong and independent power base of his own, so that he could purge the regime of disloyal factions trying to play him and his people as pawns in their own power games. He actually has the best interests of his people in mind, but right now he's more of a necessary evil for the real powers that be in North Korea than he is their leader. If he fails to do this, and fails to gain the trust of those disloyal, self-interested factions, he may well end up dead (blamed, of course, on Western assassins or some such).


He's a spoiled, fat 30-year-old legacy, son of a legacy. Chances of him doing anything right are not high.
2013-04-09 10:45:57 PM  
1 votes:
ABC news is reporting the NK missile is fueled and ready for raunch, and will be fired into the Pacific.

/lil Kim is a pussy
2013-04-09 10:22:58 PM  
1 votes:

Uchiha_Cycliste: Baby_Hole: "You know damn well what I'm saying!"

Is that a real movie?
I'd totally watch that!


History of the World Part I. Fake trailers, kinda like in the Grindhouse movies.
2013-04-09 10:15:48 PM  
1 votes:

Silverstaff: Evil High Priest: Related question: Why do we assume that all of their hardware is 30-40 years old? Why wouldn't they have been buying relatively new goodies from China for the last few decades?

1. Well, we have these things called satellites.  They fly really high and take really good pictures.  We also have these things called radars, which let us know what's in the air up there.  When we've got no indications that they have any new modern weapons, it's pretty strong indication they don't have a lot of combat-ready advanced weapons systems.

2. China has been fed up with Best Korea's bullshiat for some time, and even if the PRC was feeling like selling them up-to-date weapons, Best Korea hasn't even had the money to buy food and fuel from anybody in almost 20 years, much less high-end weapons systems.

3. If the DPRK had advanced weapons, now would be the time to show them off, to let the world know they are a mighty threat and that they are serious.  It would let Kim Jong Donut show off to his people and show the might of Juche.  We fly B-2's and F-22's by there to show off what we can do.  What does NK do?  They show lots of soldiers marching in tight formation and Lil' Kim being lead around by Generals in big funny hats.


Heh, every time I see Juche I think of shin angyo onshi. Good read (read it Sunday)
2013-04-09 10:05:42 PM  
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: Infernalist: To say nothing of the fact that NK only has diesel subs.

A Romeo (which they do have several of) is capable of making the trip (10k mile range IIRC) however they are some noisy farks when snorkeling (and we already know what to listen for, they are very old) which is why I said what I said. Their other boats aren't designed for blue water that I'm aware of and the Pacific is our playground. Nothing with a motor gets past the international dateline heading west that we don't at least take some small notice of outside of perhaps some of the newest Russian (nuclear) boats that are intentionally playing quiet (apparently they finally figured out how to make them quieter right as the Cold War ended).

Diesel electrics are great for coastal brown waters because they can take advantage of the inherently bad SONAR conditions found there but once they hit the open ocean they are our biatches should we decide to make them so.


And none of this takes into consideration the sheer impossibility of NK shipping their only deterrent out of country on a suicide mission.

Creating fissionable material takes a 'long' time if you're NK, and they just tested a nuke not too many months ago.  Odds are, they don't even have a device capable at this time.
2013-04-09 10:04:35 PM  
1 votes:

Evil High Priest: Related question: Why do we assume that all of their hardware is 30-40 years old? Why wouldn't they have been buying relatively new goodies from China for the last few decades?


1. Well, we have these things called satellites.  They fly really high and take really good pictures.  We also have these things called radars, which let us know what's in the air up there.  When we've got no indications that they have any new modern weapons, it's pretty strong indication they don't have a lot of combat-ready advanced weapons systems.

2. China has been fed up with Best Korea's bullshiat for some time, and even if the PRC was feeling like selling them up-to-date weapons, Best Korea hasn't even had the money to buy food and fuel from anybody in almost 20 years, much less high-end weapons systems.

3. If the DPRK had advanced weapons, now would be the time to show them off, to let the world know they are a mighty threat and that they are serious.  It would let Kim Jong Donut show off to his people and show the might of Juche.  We fly B-2's and F-22's by there to show off what we can do.  What does NK do?  They show lots of soldiers marching in tight formation and Lil' Kim being lead around by Generals in big funny hats.
2013-04-09 10:01:43 PM  
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.

No. 6k (or more if they leave from the west coast of Best Korea) miles across the open ocean where the navy has SONAR arrays that cover pretty much every square mile means that they would be heard snorkeling long before they got here and either be sunk or turned back home after being forced to surface. The trip one way would also be more than 50 days in duration using their boats and those boats probably can't carry enough food and water to last that long. The Gulf of Mexico is not the Pacific.


I hadn't considered the sonar. Sonar aside, if they modified their sub to be all battery except for the living space for 2 goons;  turn 90% of the space into big batteries and O2 tanks and hope they don't have to snorkel before the bay, is it still impossible?  I honestly don't know. IIRC Blind man's bluff said something like the subs can stay submerged for weeks or even months if necessary, right?
2013-04-09 09:57:24 PM  
1 votes:

Evil High Priest: Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.

And then what? Then, we oblueterate them. How does that pencil out for their side?


That's clear in this scenario. I was just trying to expose  a route I hadn't seen mentioned yet. Though apparently, for the reasons mentioned up thread a little, it's not feasible either.
2013-04-09 09:56:28 PM  
1 votes:

Psylence: hardinparamedic: Psylence: Having watched both series (fine, all 6) I can say that Robotech IS better. Whoever stitched those 3 together for America did a fantastic job. (Carl Macek?)
Macross 2 sucked.

You're the worst monster ever for saying that. Worse than Hitler. Robotech is a disgusting abomination that should have suffered a late term, partial birth abortion.

Macross 2 isn't even considered canon by either Robotech or Macross.

The Macross Saga is where it's at: Macross, Macross:DYRL, Macross 2012, Macross Plus, Macross 7, Macross Frontier.

Yeah, there were some video games that filled in the time gap, Like M3, but generally better than anything Golden Harmony could have ever put out.

/plus, those bastards killed Battletech.

Don't get me started on Battletech or you'll have to hear about how I decap'd a mech with a Savannah Master.

And yeah, the loss of those classic chassis was awful :(


ghostlightning.files.wordpress.com
Macross DYRL tells robotech to suck it.

and dont get me started on robotech: the movie, that was a piece of shiat and an insult to megazone 23
2013-04-09 09:47:38 PM  
1 votes:

Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.


No. 6k (or more if they leave from the west coast of Best Korea) miles across the open ocean where the navy has SONAR arrays that cover pretty much every square mile means that they would be heard snorkeling long before they got here and either be sunk or turned back home after being forced to surface. The trip one way would also be more than 50 days in duration using their boats and those boats probably can't carry enough food and water to last that long. The Gulf of Mexico is not the Pacific.
2013-04-09 09:05:25 PM  
1 votes:

WeenerGord: North Korea thinks it can take over the South in 3 days, look they made an action video about it!

Just look at those production values!

Notice how there is absolutely no one who is shooting back!

Enjoy the photoshops of their barren wasteland training superimposed over Seoul and US aircraft carriers!

First South Korea, then the WORLD!


Also on Stripes.com: The last US tanks leave Germany. Really? Wow. End of an era, and I almost missed it.
2013-04-09 08:16:16 PM  
1 votes:
There is one thing I hope we do not hear coming from North Korea tomorrow...

"ooopps..."
2013-04-09 08:12:04 PM  
1 votes:
The constant dick waving is really getting old.  At this point, they're just AW themselves and have reached the point of being worth watching as much as the average AW.
2013-04-09 08:09:25 PM  
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Would it really be possible for one defeat in a world war and two small nukes to snuff that heritage out?


It only takes one generation. Germany made the turnaround too. Spain did too after Franco.
2013-04-09 08:04:03 PM  
1 votes:

Killer Cars: Any possible outcome should be considered on the table, even a Jim Jones-esque "welp, I've managed to kill a congressman, we're farked now. Here kids, drink this".



What else did you think tomorrow was gonna be?  Krazy Koolaid for Kim's Korean Komrades!
2013-04-09 07:33:09 PM  
1 votes:

foo monkey: decimate


That's not too bad..
2013-04-09 07:26:37 PM  
1 votes:

whistleridge: Why We Will Not Go To War With North Korea:

1. A tank gets 0.6 miles per gallon
2. North Korea produces 0.0 billion barrels of oil per day
3. China exports  8,432 bbl/day to North Korea


I can't say its too far fetched that the NKPA has squirrled a good chunk of that away for a rainy day invasion. Oil is important, but their best military minds likely have it all planned out on how they can re-take the peninsula and overrun the imperialist oil supplies.

Yes, I know its far-fetched, much like, say, sending the bulk of Fourth Panzer Army off to the Caucasus to grab Stalin's oil supplies.

To sum up: they probably can't shoot us at all. Even if everything goes perfectly and won't shoot it down and the missile lands on target AND the bomb goes off...it will probably be less than 1/2 the yield of the Hiroshima bomb. For which we would immediately turn their whole country into a self-illuminating glass parking lot. Or invade, burn their palace down around their ears, and hang every man we found. Either way, it would be the total destruction of both their regime and their state, in return for...not all that much.

And if every nation thought rationally before going to war, there would be a whole heck of a lot more humans on this dirtball. Bush, Cheney, and Blair don't try occupying Iraq on the cheap. Saddam doesn't invade Kuwait. Japan doesn't bomb Pearl Harbor. Hitler doesn't invade Russia. Austria-Hungary doesn't declare war on Serbia.

It makes all the sense in the world for Best Korea not to start a war. However, the only way out of this crisis is by halting their nuclear weapons program. They pushed their luck again thinking that China would have their back and Worst Korea and Japan would panic and tell America to back off. Almost the exact opposite has happened. If they back down now, what happens in the barracks of Pyongyang and across the starving fields of the north?
2013-04-09 07:26:36 PM  
1 votes:
farm4.staticflickr.com

What the North Korean space program looks like.
Children's Palace Pyongyang
2013-04-09 07:18:48 PM  
1 votes:

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: is that they indirectly introduced me to the funky stylings of Jimmy 'Bo' Horne.


see, the situation isn't all bad
2013-04-09 07:08:35 PM  
1 votes:

pedobearapproved: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

missmeyet.jpg


dtdstudios.com
2013-04-09 06:50:45 PM  
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

I'm constantly amazed at the sociopathic self-centeredness of Fark's lefties. So you would trade the lives of 20+ million people for a nice pad in Hawaii?


AdolfOliverPanties: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.  They can't grow anything.  They can't produce anything but weapons.  Sadly, they are very good at that.  We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.


Idiot answering an idiot.

I'm also constantly amazed at the profound ignorance of Fark's lefties.

God help the world if you morons ever run things.


I'm constantly amazed at people who are hard right being so quick to attack statements that are obviously parody, satire and hyperbole. Oh wait, no I'm not. There's three types of hard right people on FARK. Idiots, trolls, and idiots who are trolls.
2013-04-09 06:44:37 PM  
1 votes:

Infernalist: Whatever's going on in NK, it's managed to put China on the same side as Japan.


Its not whats happening in NK, its whats happening in $China$.
2013-04-09 06:42:06 PM  
1 votes:

UnspokenVoice: dk47: fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

We have 15 Aegis Destroyers off their coast.  Whatever they shoot will barely make it out of their airspace.

And can we please forget the old "Seoul will get seriously farked up" storyline?  No, no chance.

Correct me if I'm mistaken but I don't think we can reliably shoot down artillery shells which is the main danger for Seoul. The rockets, which we can sometimes shoot down, are for more distant targets while Seoul is "nicely" within artillery range.



MTHEL - Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser, tested and developed by Israel alongside Northrop Grumman. In testing it shot down 28 incoming Katyusha artillery rockets; shot and destroyed artillery rounds in fligght and blowed up multiple in-flight mortars. Singles and salvos.


Reportedly discontinued (wink wink). But seriously, folks, Best Korea .... are they really ignorant of the history of RoKs when RoKs get their killing blood riled up?  With the most advanced weaponry?


I say whatever this is taking up column inches is ... is on purpose for a much much larger scam going on that the hive of Evil, Washington DC, wants our attention deflected from. Whenever so much attention is focused in one area. look around on the other side of the world.
2013-04-09 06:21:19 PM  
1 votes:

JustGetItRight: Oh, and the 'their artillery would level Seoul' rumor's been debunked repeatedly in every NK thread over the last few years.  Most of their tubes don't have the range to hit anything other than the suburbs and those that do won't fire nearly enough rounds to do massive damage before being destroyed by US/RoK air strikes.


It never ceases to amaze me that that is the ONE bit of NK propaganda that a majority of westerners seem to believe without question.  People just seem to vastly overestimate NK's artillery capabilities.
2013-04-09 06:06:29 PM  
1 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

When I read comments like these I can't help but be amaze but disturbed at the same time by the deep seated hatred of Asian people by the typical 'white' American.


Uh ... wut?
Hey, we finally found out Jesse Jackson's Fark handle ....
2013-04-09 06:06:09 PM  
1 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: When I read comments like these I can't help but be amaze but disturbed at the same time by the deep seated hatred of Asian people by the typical 'white' American.


Scuze me?  China is propping up BK, without them BK would implode.  Seems appropriate BK's missile test farks with a Chinese city.  No hatred involved, just delicious irony.
2013-04-09 06:04:52 PM  
1 votes:

Oznog: He could start a war then a month later "negotiate a peace" that rewards him to some degree,


I don't think anyone would be in the mood to negotiate with him anymore. Once North Korea gets into a war, that's it. The band-aid's ripped off, the worst has already happened, and there's nothing left to do but put him in a pine box by any means necessary.
2013-04-09 06:02:17 PM  
1 votes:

Psylence: Having watched both series (fine, all 6) I can say that Robotech IS better. Whoever stitched those 3 together for America did a fantastic job. (Carl Macek?)
Macross 2 sucked.


You're the worst monster ever for saying that. Worse than Hitler. Robotech is a disgusting abomination that should have suffered a late term, partial birth abortion.

Macross 2 isn't even considered canon by either Robotech or Macross.

The Macross Saga is where it's at: Macross, Macross:DYRL, Macross 2012, Macross Plus, Macross 7, Macross Frontier.

Yeah, there were some video games that filled in the time gap, Like M3, but generally better than anything Golden Harmony could have ever put out.

/plus, those bastards killed Battletech.
2013-04-09 05:58:34 PM  
1 votes:

Parallax: whistleridge: Killer Cars: whistleridge: Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.

Okay, now I'm very intrigued.

In other news, even some original spellings of the words that rhyme with 'wurst host' get filtered :p

I'm sorry, I just had to check out your profile, figuring you'd have only been a member for a few months; a year tops.  <b>YOU'VE BEEN HERE NINE YEARS</b>, and it took you this long to find the shplurst shplost filter?!  That's... that's just... outstanding!

/sigh, I remember my first blurbst blosht.


Oh, man, you have no idea. I knew about the 1st cereal maker filter in some ways, but I didn't realize that spelling it:

'a-a-a-a-a a-a-a-a' would trigger the filter or 'aaaaaaaaa'. Hence the unintentional hilarity.
2013-04-09 05:52:04 PM  
1 votes:

Psylence: DjangoStonereaver: tinderfitles: DjangoStonereaver:

I was going to use a pic of a Gundam, but I was always more a Robotech MacrossRobotech  fan.

Fix'd

No it was right the first time.

I meant Robotech, not Macross.

I never watched the original Japanese, and I don't care if that makes me a heathen baka gaijun.

And yes, I know that the '3 seasons' in the US were 3 totally different shows in the original.  I don't really care.

/You sound... weeaboo-ey.....

Having watched both series (fine, all 6) I can say that Robotech IS better. Whoever stitched those 3 together for America did a fantastic job. (Carl Macek?)
Macross 2 sucked.


Full metal panic is bestest =3
2013-04-09 05:50:45 PM  
1 votes:

Satanic_Hamster: Gosling: We could take them with 12 totally tricked-out party buses and 13 of the baddest cars from classic movies.

Better yet; let's just bring out Korean war era equipment and make it a fair fight.  I vote for the Ontos.

[www.battletanks.com image 568x400]


Wow. You know what an Ontos is? LOL My father drove one in Korea.
2013-04-09 05:50:38 PM  
1 votes:
In reference to all the No Dong jokes, "nodong" means "worker" in Korean. One of the more maddening aspects of studying Korean is that A: more than half of Korean words were borrowed from Chinese, but because Korean isn't tonal, they ended up with a bunch of homonyms, which is why you'll see Chinese characters, aka "hanja", in Worst Korean newspapers and magazines to disambiguate words that are spelled the same but have different meanings.

And B: Best Korea eliminated hanja-"too foreign"-and does not use foreign loan words. As a result, the languages are diverging between Best and Worst Korea.
2013-04-09 05:49:16 PM  
1 votes:

UnspokenVoice: Correct me if I'm mistaken but I don't think we can reliably shoot down artillery shells which is the main danger for Seoul. The rockets, which we can sometimes shoot down, are for more distant targets while Seoul is "nicely" within artillery range


Actually, we can reliably shoot down artillery shells - just not on the scale needed to defend an entire city.

Centurion C-RAM

Oh, and the 'their artillery would level Seoul' rumor's been debunked repeatedly in every NK thread over the last few years.  Most of their tubes don't have the range to hit anything other than the suburbs and those that do won't fire nearly enough rounds to do massive damage before being destroyed by US/RoK air strikes.
2013-04-09 05:48:23 PM  
1 votes:
I can't help but wonder if this is a feint to try and restructure their country by providing a media-friendly "blaze of glory" moment. Their officials know that with their current economy and standard of living, they aren't going to go anywhere but more downhill. Their isolationism has strangled them. Un is smart enough to know that he can't win and that their current system of government is unsustainable, but can't speak out because of the old guard in the military and older party members. So, he is driving their country into a battle they can't possibly win so their country is forcefully rebuilt and their people can thrive - the ones that live through it anyway.

Or, they have a dagger hidden at our back somewhere and we haven't figured out where. Those are the two scenarios I can think of.
2013-04-09 05:45:27 PM  
1 votes:
But don't we have all that tech from Reagan's Star Wars programs to protect us from nuclear missiles?

Oh, wait, I forgot: that whole thing -- laser satellites, space weapons, the $8,000 toilet seat -- was faked to divert billions into illegal wars in Central America, the Middle East, and to help the CIA become drug dealers so crack could keep the black man down and the prisons full.
2013-04-09 05:43:43 PM  
1 votes:

Unoriginal_Username: /I guess this is the logical option. First it was religion, now it's resources.


I would argue that the root causes of nearly all wars (yes, even those purported to be religion-based, such as the Crusades) have as the root cause population pressure - i.e., insufficient resources.
2013-04-09 05:37:32 PM  
1 votes:

gravespinner: The US 7th Fleet has been joined by a Littoral Combat Ship.

/how does your dong like that?


So there's at least one US ship that's going to get sunk if the shooting starts.

/Wonder why we sent one of the floating targets?
//How many times did it break down on the way?
2013-04-09 05:36:43 PM  
1 votes:

Gosling: We could take them with 12 totally tricked-out party buses and 13 of the baddest cars from classic movies.


Better yet; let's just bring out Korean war era equipment and make it a fair fight.  I vote for the Ontos.

www.battletanks.com
2013-04-09 05:36:17 PM  
1 votes:

dk47: fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

We have 15 Aegis Destroyers off their coast.  Whatever they shoot will barely make it out of their airspace.

And can we please forget the old "Seoul will get seriously farked up" storyline?  No, no chance.


Correct me if I'm mistaken but I don't think we can reliably shoot down artillery shells which is the main danger for Seoul. The rockets, which we can sometimes shoot down, are for more distant targets while Seoul is "nicely" within artillery range.
2013-04-09 05:35:03 PM  
1 votes:
I think the question that should be asked is what does North Korea hope to gain by behaving this way? It isn't like South Korea or any other nation is eager to invade and conquer them. There is a one-sided feud going on, and apparently with enough anger in its sails to disregard the lack of support of China, which is the only thing that causes  any sort of hesitation for retribution or action against North Korea. You have to wonder, if even after losing support of Big Brother they are persisting on this little quest, what is their end goal here? They have to understand that if they provoke a response they are going to be on the losing end in grand fashion. To my knowledge, they haven't made any sort of actual demands or offer up consequences. From the outside, it just appears that they are gearing up for a "war" they would most undoubtedly lose, and one that would be over with before it even started.

Is this all just a grand attempt at "Fat Un" to preserve his place?
2013-04-09 05:23:24 PM  
1 votes:

DjangoStonereaver: tinderfitles: DjangoStonereaver:

I was going to use a pic of a Gundam, but I was always more a Robotech MacrossRobotech  fan.

Fix'd

No it was right the first time.

I meant Robotech, not Macross.

I never watched the original Japanese, and I don't care if that makes me a heathen baka gaijun.

And yes, I know that the '3 seasons' in the US were 3 totally different shows in the original.  I don't really care.

/You sound... weeaboo-ey.....


Having watched both series (fine, all 6) I can say that Robotech IS better. Whoever stitched those 3 together for America did a fantastic job. (Carl Macek?)
Macross 2 sucked.
2013-04-09 05:22:40 PM  
1 votes:

scubamage: rikkitikkitavi: fireclown: Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean? Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

Korean is actually called Hangungmal, and "Taepo Dong" is literally "watery place".  Dong is 'place' used commonly as we use -town on the end of place names.

Not to be confused with ddong, which means poop. Which Koreans love for some reason.
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There are likely 14 coffee shops in that picture alone.
2013-04-09 05:16:41 PM  
1 votes:

fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?


"Dong" (or "tong") can mean "east," among other things like "neighborhood smaller than about five blocks," "child" or "link." "Tae" in the context of a weapon means "to strike or hit." Can't remember what "po" means, but I think it's a name or honorific. So yeah, "dong" sounds silly to us but it means something badass on their end.
2013-04-09 05:15:23 PM  
1 votes:

scubamage: rikkitikkitavi: fireclown: Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean? Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

Korean is actually called Hangungmal, and "Taepo Dong" is literally "watery place".  Dong is 'place' used commonly as we use -town on the end of place names.

Not to be confused with ddong, which means poop. Which Koreans love for some reason.
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Have you ever 'tried' kimchi?
2013-04-09 04:56:40 PM  
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.


If you are looking for laid back, but actually want stuff to do then you are better off choosing Maui or Kuaui.  Big Island is a nice place for a weekend trip but there is fark all to do there.  Also imagine an island about 3x the size of Oahu and only being able to drive the perimeter.

Personally I like living on Oahu because I can still live a relaxed life without worrying about the hustle of living in town (I live on the leeward side).  I also delt with DC traffic for 8 years so i really don't mind the morning commute, which still averages about 45 min.  If you want more of the small beach town vibe, then you can always live in Kailua/Kaneohe or even the north shore, but those areas can get pretty pricey.
2013-04-09 04:55:40 PM  
1 votes:

Radioactive Ass: No. There is a minimum range to those missiles and it would put them in or very near to Chinese waters. The US aren't going to put a boomer lurking that close to Beijing.


Agreed, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if some of the SSGN Ohios aren't prowling around the Sea of Japan right about now.
2013-04-09 04:47:09 PM  
1 votes:

antron: [i46.tinypic.com image 597x402]


HAHA, I got that phrase stuck in the girlfriend's mind skiing last week.

I have never caught the alien in the background before.
2013-04-09 04:45:25 PM  
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.


FTFY. Current boss is Jong-un. Previous boss, and his father, was Jong-il. Granddad was Il-sung.

/So, it seems that my major worry in BK threads is correcting people on Korean naming conventions.
//I guess I'm just a complete asshole, or something.
2013-04-09 04:45:16 PM  
1 votes:

tinderfitles: DjangoStonereaver:

I was going to use a pic of a Gundam, but I was always more a Robotech Macross

Robotech  fan.

Fix'd


No it was right the first time.

I meant Robotech, not Macross.

I never watched the original Japanese, and I don't care if that makes me a heathen baka gaijun.

And yes, I know that the '3 seasons' in the US were 3 totally different shows in the original.  I don't really care.

/You sound... weeaboo-ey.....
2013-04-09 04:40:19 PM  
1 votes:

StrangeQ: As it is, *any* truely aggressive action on his part would be met with an immediate implosion of his entire country.  That's what makes his actions so damn astounding.  He has nothing to gain and absolutely everything to lose, and yet here we are.


I think it comes down to "Juche", total self-sufficiency and absolute national/cultural dedication. North Korea has declared that it's goal is reunification with South Korea, but without ever giving up the self-sufficiency and preservation of tradition. My guess would be that North Korea accuses South Korea of weakness, greed, etc. for "giving in to the West" and it's ways. South Korea would to the diplomatic route, but any compromise at all means North Korea isn't getting it's way with "Juche".

So, I'd say it's very possible that North Korea means it. They're saying "Get the fark out of the way so that I can deal with my other half who betrayed me! I don't want to harm you, but if you stand in the way, you become part of the problem!" Sort of an all-or-nothing attitude.

Also an insane, wacky, selfish, pathetic, horrible, violent attitude. Especially for an ideal which so hates materialistic ways, it is sure obsessed with getting it's materialistic way.
2013-04-09 04:36:58 PM  
1 votes:
America has been in a perpetual state of war for over a decade.

i.imgur.com

Now it's having a VERY difficult time adjusting to peace and prosperity.  Hence the fascination with saber rattling from overseas nations.  Americans need their fix.


Coincidentally, it's the same reason why Women's magazines keep lusty scandels alive via rumour and innuendo, even when none exists.  The audience NEEDS it.
2013-04-09 04:29:56 PM  
1 votes:

SuddenlySamhain: I think we should take that 'ray' we used to give Hugo cancer and use it on  that fatty piece of spunk 'ruling' N.Korea.What a fat,greezy turd he is.


Well, sad to say the timing is all wrong.  We just got it set up in earthquake mode and calibrated for Iran.  It's gonna take weeks to get that thing taken apart again and crated back up for shipping.

Sigh, a death ray technician's job is never done.
2013-04-09 04:29:48 PM  
1 votes:

Tony_Pepperoni: [i.imgur.com image 626x800]


Un wishes he had that kind of clout.  The thing is, he has no allies.  Nobody to make a pact with.  Nobody to assist him.  And he is in a part of the world where he is literally surrounded by superpowers or their allies.  If he was somewhere in Africa where nobody gives a fark he *might* be able to manage some territorial expansion before the rest of the world got mobilized, but even then it wouldn't be much.  As it is, *any* truely aggressive action on his part would be met with an immediate implosion of his entire country.  That's what makes his actions so damn astounding.  He has nothing to gain and absolutely everything to lose, and yet here we are.
2013-04-09 04:27:32 PM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.

Has Japan ever claimed they would shoot down a test missile before?


They need to shoot it down.  If anything's going to shut them up, it will be a clear and undeniable demonstration that their new 'wonder weapon' is as useless as the rest of their obsolete toys.

I'd say let the USN do it, but the demoralization will be greater if they know that even the Japanese have the ability to swat them out of the sky.
2013-04-09 04:16:44 PM  
1 votes:

probesport: Uchiha_Cycliste: whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY

what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.

I'm talking about the actual people: the designers, the innovators, the minds that make up those companies that make up such a large chunk of our economy. In real world terms, no...those companies aren't a huge blow. But in terms of psychological and market impact...it would be devastating.

I totally understand what you mean, and I understand and agree wholly. I was asking what's his face why he thought changing SV to China is worse.

FYI I work at one of the companies you mentioned. and I also have a very good idea how the design -> test -> fab -> manf. -> product flow works. No part of his "fixing" made sense.

Apologies. I was very much in 'what about that doesn't make obvious sense' mode. :p

No problem.  I mean.... if for some reason they attacked China, they STILL don't hit fab (which is practically ALL done at TSMC) they only set back manf for like 6 months until they rebuild in a new place.  How on earth would NK bombing China set back Tech 20-30 years? It's a retarded thing to say.

Attacking Silicon valley wouldn't set the tech world back decades either there genius. It's not just lost to times. Hitting manufacturing and driving up prices on damn near every piece of electronics coming into the US while we are still not at the best economic times would be a bigger immediate blow.

Hurrr and/or durrr.


sigh. herp and derp indeed.
2013-04-09 04:15:51 PM  
1 votes:

Freakin Rican: Dinobot: Japan will deploy Godzilla, Ultraman, Gamera and the Power Rangers if Best Korea follows thru with their threats.

nice!

you forgot Voltron


texdent: Dinobot: Japan will deploy Godzilla, Ultraman, Gamera and the Power Rangers if Best Korea follows thru with their threats.

Don't forget Sailor Moon, Sunfire, Big Hero 6, and a few others.


Megaman too. He might be able to defeat Nuke Man and gain nuke powers.
2013-04-09 04:14:24 PM  
1 votes:

Dinobot: Japan will deploy Godzilla, Ultraman, Gamera and the Power Rangers if Best Korea follows thru with their threats.


Don't forget Sailor Moon, Sunfire, Big Hero 6, and a few others.
2013-04-09 04:12:49 PM  
1 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: Oldiron_79: IF best Korea makes us nuke them I hope we use Manned Strategic Bombers rather than ICBMs or SLCMs just so the CHICOMs or Rooskies dont have thier early warning systems go full retard and think we are launching at them.

That is actually a very intelligent statement because IRL preemptive or counter strikes by opposing force is done at the moment of launch and not after the weapon has landed.


That's for a nation that has the capability to launch hundreds or even thousands of long range missiles at the same time. That's the "Use them or lose them" strategy because the assumption is that the missile silos will be the first thing targeted in the hopes of catching them still in the ground. For the Norks and just one or two missiles that can't reach the missile silos a stealth bomber would be more appropriate.

SLBM's are for second strikes in an attempt to catch people trying to dig out of the rubble of their cities (and to make it so that no matter what there will be missiles available even if there was somehow a successful first strike that took out all of our land and bomber based weapons).
2013-04-09 04:12:40 PM  
1 votes:
Hopefully they do. A bit of fighting and propaganda war and we can be done with north korea and let the south koreans have a whole country again.
2013-04-09 04:11:55 PM  
1 votes:

farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 590x393]


[bright green camo in brown field]

Somebody might want to let those guys know we can totally see them.
2013-04-09 04:11:04 PM  
1 votes:

DjangoStonereaver: OK, hands up who got this picture in their minds when they first heard that the Japanese were deploying a missile
defense system?

[www.igorstshirts.com image 810x608]


bd77.files.wordpress.com
2013-04-09 04:08:36 PM  
1 votes:
whistleridge

and that doesn't even touch upon the fact a friggin' Million people live in San Jose alone. Though... I can see the upside of Obliterating Stanfurd.

\GrrrrrrRAH!
2013-04-09 03:59:57 PM  
1 votes:

torusXL: Good plan, tell every journalist about the planned military movements. North Korea would never attack before these scheduled movements.


The point of broadcasting our movements is very much counter to DPRK's rhetoric. It's our way of tangibly countering every blustery threat they make.

There's also a bunch of moves we -aren't- broadcasting, too (like B-1 and B-2 rebasings)
2013-04-09 03:59:06 PM  
1 votes:

jaybeezey: Kim Jong Bootey?


24.media.tumblr.com
Boo-TAY!  TAY!
2013-04-09 03:58:30 PM  
1 votes:

whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY

what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.

I'm talking about the actual people: the designers, the innovators, the minds that make up those companies that make up such a large chunk of our economy. In real world terms, no...those companies aren't a huge blow. But in terms of psychological and market impact...it would be devastating.

I totally understand what you mean, and I understand and agree wholly. I was asking what's his face why he thought changing SV to China is worse.

FYI I work at one of the companies you mentioned. and I also have a very good idea how the design -> test -> fab -> manf. -> product flow works. No part of his "fixing" made sense.

Apologies. I was very much in 'what about that doesn't make obvious sense' mode. :p


No problem.  I mean.... if for some reason they attacked China, they STILL don't hit fab (which is practically ALL done at TSMC) they only set back manf for like 6 months until they rebuild in a new place.  How on earth would NK bombing China set back Tech 20-30 years? It's a retarded thing to say.
2013-04-09 03:57:53 PM  
1 votes:

LoneCoon: You know, the third week of April is the worst week on the calender. Hitler's birthday, Columbine, WTC bombing, Oklahoma City, BP oil spill started, Waco. Now we're looking at a full scale war by then. Makes me want to hide the whole week.


You never heard of the Ides of March.? You are supposed to beware them.
2013-04-09 03:55:12 PM  
1 votes:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I wish he and the rest of the Red Lectroids would just go back to Planet Ten already.


Kim Jong Bootey?
2013-04-09 03:54:51 PM  
1 votes:

netcentric: Maybe the US has the Sea-Based radar positioned.   It left Pearl Harbor in early April,  but I wish someone would link to something official saying it is operating.     Actually in position.    So far everything I see is that it is 'on the way'   or  'being moved'.      It is not fast.


Good plan, tell every journalist about the planned military movements. North Korea would never attack before these scheduled movements.
2013-04-09 03:53:27 PM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-04-09 03:52:51 PM  
1 votes:

whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY

what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.

I'm talking about the actual people: the designers, the innovators, the minds that make up those companies that make up such a large chunk of our economy. In real world terms, no...those companies aren't a huge blow. But in terms of psychological and market impact...it would be devastating.


I totally understand what you mean, and I understand and agree wholly. I was asking what's his face why he thought changing SV to China is worse.

FYI I work at one of the companies you mentioned. and I also have a very good idea how the design -> test -> fab -> manf. -> product flow works. No part of his "fixing" made sense.
2013-04-09 03:48:24 PM  
1 votes:
IF best Korea makes us nuke them I hope we use Manned Strategic Bombers rather than ICBMs or SLCMs just so the CHICOMs or Rooskies dont have thier early warning systems go full retard and think we are launching at them.
2013-04-09 03:48:21 PM  
1 votes:
Has any NK missile test actually hit the target it was aimed at? IIRC our first generation ICBM's were very inaccurate. If they actually fire a missile at Guam or Hawaii I'm not so sure they could hit the island.

/would be suicide for them if they tried it
//nuclear or non-nuclear, wouldn't matter
2013-04-09 03:44:00 PM  
1 votes:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I wish he and the rest of the Red Lectroids would just go back to Planet Ten already.


I love you, John Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion.
2013-04-09 03:41:18 PM  
1 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

When I read comments like these I can't help but be amaze but disturbed at the same time by the deep seated hatred of Asian people by the typical 'white' American.


Hatred?  I LOVE me some asian schoolgirls!!!!
2013-04-09 03:40:15 PM  
1 votes:
I wish he and the rest of the Red Lectroids would just go back to Planet Ten already.
2013-04-09 03:37:46 PM  
1 votes:

rikkitikkitavi: Korean is actually called Hangungmal, and "Taepo Dong" is literally "watery place". Dong is 'place' used commonly as we use -town on the end of place names.


Thanks.  As a world citizen with an interest in expanding my knowledge, I thank you.  However, as a Farker, I shall now continue making dong jokes.

/srsly, thanks.
2013-04-09 03:37:37 PM  
1 votes:

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...


If it hits the fan, Fatty the Third can expect to be in front of the Hague for Crimes against Humanity.

All assuming they don't find little bits of him scattered around a crater made from a Predator-launched Hellfire, of course.
2013-04-09 03:37:00 PM  
1 votes:
All this thread has done is make me want to watch M*A*S*H again...
2013-04-09 03:35:18 PM  
1 votes:

probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY


what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.
2013-04-09 03:33:51 PM  
1 votes:

parasol: I've been following the best korea threads (and ty, as always to you witty farkers) and it's like a soap opera with the speculation and drama escalation

Out of concern for the people of best korea who apparently hate the US due to endless propaganda, who don't have enough to eat, who are guilty of nothing more than geographic accident of birth, I have begun to pray they don't have to go through some of the scenarios posted here (and in earlier threads)

Being a godless american, I doubt prayer helps but I really, really don't want the "best case NK will last mere hours due to military overpowerment" for people doing nothing but walking around in their homeland.


They're better off than us. I'm just hoping to get my yummy bird and heroin ration today. Glorious Leader should liberate us from the capitalist pigs or at least send more tents to the Red Cross, as mine blew away. Plus the snow is gone, so I can't get anymore snow coffee. Times will be tough again 'round these parts.
2013-04-09 03:33:19 PM  
1 votes:

neongoats: You mean RTS.. I mean, they are Korean after all.


You might be on to something here. The new chapter of Starcraft II just came out and it is focused on the Zerg. Maybe he is getting confused between the game and the real world and he is thinking he can rush Seoul with his zerglings ground troops!
2013-04-09 03:31:38 PM  
1 votes:
NK is the 5yr old child that is threatening to run away to crazyville. They keep looking back with each step down the driveway hoping someone will run out and offer them anything if they just come inside.
2013-04-09 03:30:57 PM  
1 votes:

Unoriginal_Username: Infernalist: EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?

To be fair, those RREs are way way way out of reach right now.  NK mines only operate at about 30% capacity out of safety concerns.  They're obscenely outdated and in need of serious repair.  To get at those RREs in any real capacity would take a massive overhaul of existing infrastructure and modernization of their mining equipment.

A serious serious investment that would only pay off in a decade or so, if that.

So the next war will be over rocks instead of oil.

/I guess this is the logical option. First it was religion, now it's resources.


If it's resources, why did we forget to loot Iraq for oil before we left?
2013-04-09 03:29:24 PM  
1 votes:

DougTaupe: A friend of mine showed me a pic of B2's parked en-masse on the tarmac at Nellis a little over a week ago. I would say there's a good chance they are in theater by now.


A better question is:
What carriers, attack subs, and boomers are out at sea now and do we even have confirmed locations on any of them.

I imagine there's a LOT of subs out in the Sea of Japan right now.  Question is, how many carrier groups are in the area?
2013-04-09 03:28:42 PM  
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.


I think NK launching a missile backward is as amusing as the next guy, but I can't seriously believe that their tech is so bad that they could fail to launch their missiles at least in a generally Easterly direction.
2013-04-09 03:28:24 PM  
1 votes:

fireclown: Richard C Stanford: I think Putin would run shirtless, drunk, and screaming through Best Korea, punching everything in his way.

I would pay to see that movie.


He is the Chuck Norris of Russia.
2013-04-09 03:28:09 PM  
1 votes:
WHAT IS DENNIS RODMAN DOING ABOUT THIS?   HE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING TO STOP THIS!  I BLAME DENNIS RODMAN FOR THIS ENTIRE SITUATION.
2013-04-09 03:26:56 PM  
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.


That's no attitude to have. Japan has poor natural resources, but has a pretty decent arrangement if 3rd ranked economy in the world is any indicator.
2013-04-09 03:25:24 PM  
1 votes:

kumanoki: "It's an entirely different type of dong altogether."


It's an entirely different type of dong.
2013-04-09 03:24:58 PM  
1 votes:

KarmicDisaster: Gosling: KarmicDisaster: If they do shoot a missile over Japan, the trajectory probably won't allow current systems to shoot it down, it will be near apogee when it passes over won't it? Unless it malfunctions and part of hit hits Japan, oops, then all hell will break loose.

Japan ain't going to give a good goddamn about apogee. If it enters Japanese airspace, they're going to flip their shiat.

Oh, yeah they will, but like I said, a Patriot battery or anything else Japan possesses won't be able to shoot it down, it will be out of the envelope.  US anti-missle picket ship might have a chance depending.


I'm certainly not the expert on this stuff but Japan does have Aegis-equipped ships that have SM-3s.  Apparently, one of these has been used to shoot down a ballistic missile.
2013-04-09 03:24:47 PM  
1 votes:

Sword and Shield: North Korea farking up would be a world-unifier the likes of which has never been seen.

The US, Russians, Germans, even the Chinese would be backing Japan. You'd have NATO and the old Eastern Bloc all coming to play to curb stomp North Korea.


Hmm...you'd think the regime is aware that they're now pissing off everyone. Any possible outcome should be considered on the table, even a Jim Jones-esque "welp, I've managed to kill a congressman, we're farked now. Here kids, drink this".
2013-04-09 03:24:40 PM  
1 votes:

MrBigglesworth: The poor Pacific ocean.  NK has a great record of beating up the Ocean with failed launches.  Why are there no environmental protests against NK for their attacks on the Pacific?


Nah, all the environmentalists support North Korea.
2013-04-09 03:23:32 PM  
1 votes:

EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?


I know a lot of unemployed coal miners that would go over to work for a 6 month rotation if displace Little Kim.
2013-04-09 03:21:44 PM  
1 votes:

digistil: Germany's reportedly allied itself with Japan, backing them up if BK so much as skeets in their direction.

It's just like old times.


North Korea farking up would be a world-unifier the likes of which has never been seen.

The US, Russians, Germans, even the Chinese would be backing Japan. You'd have NATO and the old Eastern Bloc all coming to play to curb stomp North Korea.

There would be nothing left around the 38th parallel.
2013-04-09 03:21:34 PM  
1 votes:
In related news, the U.S. annonunces a rest of its missile intercept system on Wednesday
2013-04-09 03:20:48 PM  
1 votes:

digistil: probesport: Well, it's currently Wednesday in NK.


Its 4:20 am in North Korea. Spark it up!
2013-04-09 03:20:38 PM  
1 votes:

Infernalist: EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?

To be fair, those RREs are way way way out of reach right now.  NK mines only operate at about 30% capacity out of safety concerns.  They're obscenely outdated and in need of serious repair.  To get at those RREs in any real capacity would take a massive overhaul of existing infrastructure and modernization of their mining equipment.

A serious serious investment that would only pay off in a decade or so, if that.


So the next war will be over rocks instead of oil.

/I guess this is the logical option. First it was religion, now it's resources.
2013-04-09 03:19:55 PM  
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.


I think Putin would run shirtless, drunk, and screaming through Best Korea, punching everything in his way.
2013-04-09 03:19:52 PM  
1 votes:

EatHam: whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all

They'd have better luck throwing them.


Probably on schedule right at 5 0'clock.

basementrejects.com
2013-04-09 03:19:38 PM  
1 votes:

MrBigglesworth: The poor Pacific ocean.  NK has a great record of beating up the Ocean with failed launches.  Why are there no environmental protests against NK for their attacks on the Pacific?


That's a bit like finding out your kid beat the crap out of an old lady while cutting school and robbing the corner store and then yelling at him for not making his bed that morning.
2013-04-09 03:19:30 PM  
1 votes:
In other news today, the US Navy 7th Fleet held a press conference to announce their plan to test their AEGIS anti missile system in the vicinity of Japan around Wednesday.

When questioned, the spokesman denied that the Navy's announcement was anything other than purely coincidental vis-a-vis a recently announced possible North Korean missile launch.  He was quoted as saying, "No shiat?  They are?  Huh.  How about that?"
2013-04-09 03:18:40 PM  
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.  They can't grow anything.  They can't produce anything but weapons.  Sadly, they are very good at that.  We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.


Absolutely false.  Lots of natural resources, and farm-able land.  Been there.  Seen it. Got the t-shirt and a pic
2013-04-09 03:17:25 PM  
1 votes:

namegoeshere: fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Japan shoots it down and NK calls that the agression and First Strike. Then it's on. It fits in with the theory that Lil-Un is starting shiat on purpose to lose and eventually be fed and rebuilt. Or he's just bat shiat insane.


I'd guess he's insane. Lived a life of privilege? Check. Never exposed to reality? Check. Got everything/got away with anything he ever wanted? Probably. Spoiled? Oh most certainly.
2013-04-09 03:17:15 PM  
1 votes:
Germany's reportedly allied itself with Japan, backing them up if BK so much as skeets in their direction.

It's just like old times.
2013-04-09 03:15:33 PM  
1 votes:
i290.photobucket.com
"This business,,,is the biggest joke I ever heard.
They got nothing.  We know their every move.
Even their friends think they're dicks.
I'll be in my room taking a nap.  If anything flies over, shoot it down!"
2013-04-09 03:14:53 PM  
1 votes:

Uchiha_Cycliste: fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

How do you feel about "dongle"? they are all over electronics.


Shhhh! You wanna get fired?
2013-04-09 03:14:12 PM  
1 votes:

whistleridge: How I can tell you didn't read the whole thread :p

See my Boobies.


EIP?
2013-04-09 03:14:08 PM  
1 votes:

Gosling: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Oh, Kim won't be permitted to see the rebuild. He's going to either die in the middle of it or become the new world hide-and-seek champ.


On an unrelated note, some insurance salesman named Kim Jongli is pricing condos in Pierre, SD.
2013-04-09 03:14:05 PM  
1 votes:
Kim is like someone who plays the single player version of an FPS on easy level, then thinks he is going to dominate in actual on-line multiplayer situations.
2013-04-09 03:13:14 PM  
1 votes:
Kim is just a big Watchmen fan and is doing his part to unify the globe.
2013-04-09 03:13:01 PM  
1 votes:

fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?


How do you feel about "dongle"? they are all over electronics.
2013-04-09 03:12:37 PM  
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Quick!  Get in the bunker!!!
2013-04-09 03:11:59 PM  
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Gosling: nekom: Very true. Though only the older generation remembers firsthand, but I can see why of all people in the world they might be especially worried about nukes.

The older generation remembers getting nuked by the US. They all remember the Fukushima incident.


Right, but they aren't exactly unique in that. The USSR and the USA have both had nuclear accidents of varying degrees of awfulness, but only Japan has ever actually been nuked.

Of course as an American who grew up at the tail end of the cold war, I still remember "duck and cover", it's a worldwide fear, but Japan certainly has a unique perspective on that.
2013-04-09 03:11:36 PM  
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whistleridge: Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.


You're assuming they can actually tip that super long range three stage TD2 missile with a functional nuclear weapon. And that everything works.

I doubt the missile actually has that range, could hit anything accurately (even within a CEP of a few miles) at that range), would actually work as expected, and I REALLY doubt they have a nuclear weapon they can put on the top of the thing. It's one thing to build an atomic bomb. It's another to get the packaging down to a size where it fits on a rocket and is actually deliverable by ICBM.

The only evidence I've seen or heard of (not that I've seen a ton) that they actually have such a warhead is NK's own hyperbolic statements. At this point I'd trust a used car dealer to give me a reliable vehicle at a great price more than I would Kim Jong Un to accurately portray the current state of their forces.
2013-04-09 03:09:45 PM  
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Robo Beat: I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.

Take off his shirt and start strangling biatches?


That too.  But what I was thinking ryhmes with plutonium poisoning.
2013-04-09 03:09:32 PM  
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2013-04-09 03:09:16 PM  
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I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.


"Kim Jong Eun was hospitalized today, apparently for a missing larynx...."
2013-04-09 03:08:22 PM  
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Gosling: nekom: Given that they have actively THREATENED nuclear war, Japan has absolutely every right to shoot down any missile coming from there.  I rather doubt Japan would do anything else, but they certainly have made it clear that they absolutely do intend to do so.  Patriot missile batteries deployed in Tokyo.  They have to protect their own population, any nation would do the same.

Besides, the one thing you don't threaten in front of Japan is nuclear anything. They get rather cross about the prospect of getting nuked. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Fukushima, and remember, Godzilla was originally an allegory about being reckless with nuclear power brought on after a random fishing boat of theirs got caught in nuclear-test fallout.


Very true. Though only the older generation remembers firsthand, but I can see why of all people in the world they might be especially worried about nukes.
2013-04-09 03:08:02 PM  
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fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.


Japan shoots it down and NK calls that the agression and First Strike. Then it's on. It fits in with the theory that Lil-Un is starting shiat on purpose to lose and eventually be fed and rebuilt. Or he's just bat shiat insane.
2013-04-09 03:07:45 PM  
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Rev.K: AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

Really? Where in Hawaii?

As a Canadian stuck in the frozen north, I dream of moving to Hawaii. I've looked at jobs there a few times, but it's hard for a Canadian to get hired...at least in government work.

/sigh
//threadjack


Calgary is NOT the frozen north...
2013-04-09 03:07:31 PM  
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I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.


As can I. A diplomatic phone call to the Chinese, Japanese and US, saying to look the other way for ten minutes.

Remember the Somali pirates the Russian Navy stranded at sea?
2013-04-09 03:07:04 PM  
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Also shot down over the Sea of Japan
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
2013-04-09 03:06:35 PM  
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I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.


Take off his shirt and start strangling biatches?
2013-04-09 03:05:15 PM  
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If they do shoot a missile over Japan, the trajectory probably won't allow current systems to shoot it down, it will be near apogee when it passes over won't it? Unless it malfunctions and part of hit hits Japan, oops, then all hell will break loose.
2013-04-09 03:03:57 PM  
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2013-04-09 03:03:09 PM  
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students.cis.uab.edu
2013-04-09 03:02:17 PM  
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This About That: Wouldn't this made for an excellent real-world test of the Patriot defense system?


Didn't we do that back in the early 90's? I imagine they've only got better since then.
2013-04-09 03:00:35 PM  
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Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....


Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.
2013-04-09 02:59:15 PM  
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Well, that's one way for Japan to get out of a stagnating decades long economic slump.
2013-04-09 02:50:08 PM  
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assets0.ordienetworks.com
2013-04-09 02:08:12 PM  
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Seriously, how much stick are we going to take from Chubby Jongstocking before droning some manners up his ham-hocks?
2013-04-09 02:01:28 PM  
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Infernalist: Considering the level of tech involved in what they laughably call a 'delivery system', they'd be lucky if it didn't accidentally end up landing in China.


I think that's referred to as the "best case scenario".
2013-04-09 01:56:50 PM  
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whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all


Everybody posts that map, with no legend as to what the dark red vs. the light red means. Also, Alaska and Hawaii are very much part of the US.
2013-04-09 01:44:12 PM  
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Haters....
www.voxxi.com
                                                   Gonna HATE....
2013-04-09 01:36:41 PM  
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hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...


Assuming of course that he lives through the intense bombing & assorted coup attempts surely to follow....

But yes I too was wondering if this was just a (deranged) plan to get the entire country rebuilt/brought up to code/decent infrastructure/etc on the cheap.  Sure you'll kill a bunch of your people, but you can't feed them anyway.  Also a bunch of military hardware will get chewed up, but it too is for the most part completely outdated & should have been sold as surplus decades ago.

I can see Little Kim a couple of weeks from now sitting deep in a bunker as BIG bombs are falling all around him, with a genuinely puzzled look on his face as he whines "But they've always backed down before..."
2013-04-09 01:27:06 PM  
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So last week they said all embassies need to be evacuated on 4/10/13. Now they're announcing a missile test, over Japan, on 4/10/13.

abekoby.files.wordpress.com
2013-04-09 01:13:10 PM  
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Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.
 
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