StrangeQ: Tony_Pepperoni: [i.imgur.com image 626x800]

Un wishes he had that kind of clout.  The thing is, he has no allies.  Nobody to make a pact with.  Nobody to assist him.  And he is in a part of the world where he is literally surrounded by superpowers or their allies.  If he was somewhere in Africa where nobody gives a fark he *might* be able to manage some territorial expansion before the rest of the world got mobilized, but even then it wouldn't be much.  As it is, *any* truely aggressive action on his part would be met with an immediate implosion of his entire country.  That's what makes his actions so damn astounding.  He has nothing to gain and absolutely everything to lose, and yet here we are.

Exactly.

There's an exchange in Dogs of War I like for this:

Manson: Who are the country's friends, diplomatically speaking?
Endean: They don't have any. No one is interested, it's such a shambles.

Sounds like North Korea to me.

crypticsatellite: Here's something fun to ponder:

http://intellihub.com/2013/04/08/secret-transmission-detected-from-n or th-korea/

The fact that that site is full of crazy?

StrangeQ: As it is, *any* truely aggressive action on his part would be met with an immediate implosion of his entire country.  That's what makes his actions so damn astounding.  He has nothing to gain and absolutely everything to lose, and yet here we are.

I think it comes down to "Juche", total self-sufficiency and absolute national/cultural dedication. North Korea has declared that it's goal is reunification with South Korea, but without ever giving up the self-sufficiency and preservation of tradition. My guess would be that North Korea accuses South Korea of weakness, greed, etc. for "giving in to the West" and it's ways. South Korea would to the diplomatic route, but any compromise at all means North Korea isn't getting it's way with "Juche".

So, I'd say it's very possible that North Korea means it. They're saying "Get the fark out of the way so that I can deal with my other half who betrayed me! I don't want to harm you, but if you stand in the way, you become part of the problem!" Sort of an all-or-nothing attitude.

Also an insane, wacky, selfish, pathetic, horrible, violent attitude. Especially for an ideal which so hates materialistic ways, it is sure obsessed with getting it's materialistic way.

Wow, it's like NK wants to have their shiat pushed in by MOAB bombs.

Satanic_Hamster: DougTaupe: A friend of mine showed me a pic of B2's parked en-masse on the tarmac at Nellis a little over a week ago. I would say there's a good chance they are in theater by now.

A better question is:
What carriers, attack subs, and boomers are out at sea now and do we even have confirmed locations on any of them.

I imagine there's a LOT of subs out in the Sea of Japan right now.  Question is, how many carrier groups are in the area?

Believe it or not, you can actually get that info pretty easily.  We don't have that many and they aren't easy to hide.

crypticsatellite: Here's something fun to ponder:

http://intellihub.com/2013/04/08/secret-transmission-detected-from-n or th-korea/

That website hurts my brain.

texdent: Dinobot: Japan will deploy Godzilla, Ultraman, Gamera and the Power Rangers if Best Korea follows thru with their threats.

Don't forget Sailor Moon, Sunfire, Big Hero 6, and a few others.

Needs more Space Battleship Yamato.

AdolfOliverPanties: Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.

FTFY. Current boss is Jong-un. Previous boss, and his father, was Jong-il. Granddad was Il-sung.

/So, it seems that my major worry in BK threads is correcting people on Korean naming conventions.
//I guess I'm just a complete asshole, or something.

NK is the biggest attention whore.

If they were doing this for anything other than attention, they would have done it by now. If you're going to do it, then just do it. What's the point of telling everyone every little thing you're going to do?

GleeUnit: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

I don't believe that Kim would make it through such an affair with both his head and his freedom intact.  The world hasn't been kind to disposed dictators of late.

Also, he's going to have a much harder time trying to hide out among the general population than Saddam or Muammar did.

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: SuperNinjaToad: If we launch at NK, there is NO WAY China or Russia can tell where the missile would land other than knowing it is headed in that general direction especially before MIRVs released and for sure they will send retaliatory missile strikes on the continental US. Also unlike NK, theirs can actually reach our cities..

This is why subs full of SLCM's are lurking off North Korea's West coast, so the flight paths will be away from China or Russia.

No. There is a minimum range to those missiles and it would put them in or very near to Chinese waters. The US aren't going to put a boomer lurking that close to Beijing.

Gaumond: I have never caught the alien in the background before.

Same.

If Lil Un is worried about losing control, or his head, taunting Japan (or someone else) into "attacking" NK, by blowing up their test missile but not doing any other actual damage might be just the ticket to rally the people behind him. If so, I wonder if he's thought through what comes next...

fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

We have 15 Aegis Destroyers off their coast.  Whatever they shoot will barely make it out of their airspace.

And can we please forget the old "Seoul will get seriously farked up" storyline?  No, no chance.

"we've moved a solid portion of our B-2 fleet to Guam"

shiat! Hope it doesn't capsize!

Simple.

Wait until it's dark. Then bomb the living shiat out of anything in North Korea that has lights on. Problem solved. I don't think anyone would object.

Radioactive Ass: No. There is a minimum range to those missiles and it would put them in or very near to Chinese waters. The US aren't going to put a boomer lurking that close to Beijing.

Agreed, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if some of the SSGN Ohios aren't prowling around the Sea of Japan right about now.

AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

If you are looking for laid back, but actually want stuff to do then you are better off choosing Maui or Kuaui.  Big Island is a nice place for a weekend trip but there is fark all to do there.  Also imagine an island about 3x the size of Oahu and only being able to drive the perimeter.

Personally I like living on Oahu because I can still live a relaxed life without worrying about the hustle of living in town (I live on the leeward side).  I also delt with DC traffic for 8 years so i really don't mind the morning commute, which still averages about 45 min.  If you want more of the small beach town vibe, then you can always live in Kailua/Kaneohe or even the north shore, but those areas can get pretty pricey.

dk47: We have 15 Aegis Destroyers off their coast. Whatever they shoot will barely make it out of their airspace.

I am not sure there are near that many destroyers and I don't think we can hit the ICBM that soon...if at all (depending what is being targeted).

As a Hawaiian resident, I am not in the least bit concerned at the thought of being "within range" of lil kim's missiles.  Let them try and hit this little speck in the middle of the ocean.  even if they got past the interceptors, they'd likely go the way of Earhart, and disappear somewhere over the Pacific.

cr7pilot: jaybeezey: Rembrant_Q_Einstein: LoneCoon:

You never heard of the Ides of March.? You are supposed to beware them.


the other Ides to beware...

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Indeed. In college in the early '90s, after listening to too much Ice Cube and watching Boyz n the Hood, I decided I was going to cast off my whiteness for an evening. I figured the best way to get started was with a couple of St. Ides 40 oz. That evening did not end well for me...

Did any of you guys have access to Big Bear. Now THAT was some fine malt liqurah.

Oh and DPRK is bad, stop waving your Dongs all over the place

Can you imagine if the Nuke gets shot up over Japan?
Imagine the Electromagnetic pulse!
It's a good thing Japan doesn't have a lot of electronic equipment.


/say cheese!

DjangoStonereaver: But, yeah: when you put it that way, the uniting of two age-old mortal enemies is a mark of how crazy dangerous
Lil' Kim has managed to become.

What turned the tables in WWI was Wilhelm worried the Brits to the point that they secretly made a treaty with the French. No one was more shocked than the French.

Maybe I'll just stay home from work tomorrow

The US 7th Fleet has been joined by a Littoral Combat Ship.

/how does your dong like that?

JustGetItRight: Agreed, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if some of the SSGN Ohios aren't prowling around the Sea of Japan right about now.

There's probably at least one there at all times. The boomers are all in their normal patrol areas out in the middle of the Pacific somewhere. Far away from where the Norks will ever be. They won't be used if we decide to nuke NK for some reason. That's what bombers are for.

The order of use would be air, then land, then sea. Or air and land together if it were someone like Russia or China. You don't use your most secure weapons first, you use the ones that are the most vulnerable first because if you don't they will be targeted and destroyed. In this instance the land based ones are also secure from anything that the Norks can do so it would fall on the air wings to do the dirty work which is probably why the B-2's are on Guam (balance precariously of course, we don't want to tip it over). That also means that there wouldn't be any crossed wires with China or Russia involving missile launches.

Radioactive Ass: SuperNinjaToad: Oldiron_79: IF best Korea makes us nuke them I hope we use Manned Strategic Bombers rather than ICBMs or SLCMs just so the CHICOMs or Rooskies dont have thier early warning systems go full retard and think we are launching at them.

That is actually a very intelligent statement because IRL preemptive or counter strikes by opposing force is done at the moment of launch and not after the weapon has landed.

That's for a nation that has the capability to launch hundreds or even thousands of long range missiles at the same time. That's the "Use them or lose them" strategy because the assumption is that the missile silos will be the first thing targeted in the hopes of catching them still in the ground. For the Norks and just one or two missiles that can't reach the missile silos a stealth bomber would be more appropriate.

SLBM's are for second strikes in an attempt to catch people trying to dig out of the rubble of their cities (and to make it so that no matter what there will be missiles available even if there was somehow a successful first strike that took out all of our land and bomber based weapons).

SLBM's used to be 2nd strike weapons because they weren't accurate enough to hit silos.   That changed with the Ohio class subs and Trident missiles.    Their MIRVs can be GPS guided and are estimated to have a 90' CEP (circular error of probability)

DjangoStonereaver: OK, hands up who got this picture in their minds when they first heard that the Japanese were deploying a missile
defense system?

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I was more thinking:

rikkitikkitavi: fireclown: Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean? Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

Korean is actually called Hangungmal, and "Taepo Dong" is literally "watery place".  Dong is 'place' used commonly as we use -town on the end of place names.

Not to be confused with ddong, which means poop. Which Koreans love for some reason.

Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

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fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

"Dong" (or "tong") can mean "east," among other things like "neighborhood smaller than about five blocks," "child" or "link." "Tae" in the context of a weapon means "to strike or hit." Can't remember what "po" means, but I think it's a name or honorific. So yeah, "dong" sounds silly to us but it means something badass on their end.

weiserfireman: SLBM's used to be 2nd strike weapons because they weren't accurate enough to hit silos. That changed with the Ohio class subs and Trident missiles. Their MIRVs can be GPS guided and are estimated to have a 90' CEP (circular error of probability)

I'm quite aware of the missiles capabilities however that doesn't change their preferred order of use as I described above. I do have 8 strategic deterrent patrols under my belt so I might have a bit of a better understanding of it than most people do. SLBM's are going to be the last ones to be used in almost any situation because they are well hidden and can be used well into any nuclear exchange (to "Clean up" if you will any targets left still standing). The only time that they might be used first is in a first strike sneak attack type situation where they are trying to take out a nations command and control before they have time to react. This is not one of those types of situations.

pedobearapproved: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

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I think there's an ICBM under your bed. Better check to be sure.

I'd say we should bomb them back to the stone age, but they're already there.