Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.

Can't imagine why Japan would be all flinchy about possible nuke tests.



Oh, yeah.

I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.  They can't grow anything.  They can't produce anything but weapons.  Sadly, they are very good at that.  We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Unlikely to happen.  More likely is a Chinese annexation of NK.  And they'll only do that if absolutely necessary.

So last week they said all embassies need to be evacuated on 4/10/13. Now they're announcing a missile test, over Japan, on 4/10/13.

Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.

Has Japan ever claimed they would shoot down a test missile before?

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

I don't believe that Kim would make it through such an affair with both his head and his freedom intact.  The world hasn't been kind to disposed dictators of late.

GleeUnit: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

I don't believe that Kim would make it through such an affair with both his head and his freedom intact.  The world hasn't been kind to disposed dictators of late.

Deposed, even.

AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Assuming of course that he lives through the intense bombing & assorted coup attempts surely to follow....

But yes I too was wondering if this was just a (deranged) plan to get the entire country rebuilt/brought up to code/decent infrastructure/etc on the cheap.  Sure you'll kill a bunch of your people, but you can't feed them anyway.  Also a bunch of military hardware will get chewed up, but it too is for the most part completely outdated & should have been sold as surplus decades ago.

I can see Little Kim a couple of weeks from now sitting deep in a bunker as BIG bombs are falling all around him, with a genuinely puzzled look on his face as he whines "But they've always backed down before..."

GAT_00: Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.

Has Japan ever claimed they would shoot down a test missile before?

Just read that.  Also, caught this tidbit that's going to drive NK nuts...

He said Okinawa was "the place that is most effective in responding to emergencies ... so we should deploy the unit in Okinawa on a permanent basis".

Permanent basis for a few Patriot missile launchers.  That's basically the Japanese saying "No more missile flyovers of Japan for you."

EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?

To be fair, those RREs are way way way out of reach right now.  NK mines only operate at about 30% capacity out of safety concerns.  They're obscenely outdated and in need of serious repair.  To get at those RREs in any real capacity would take a massive overhaul of existing infrastructure and modernization of their mining equipment.

A serious serious investment that would only pay off in a decade or so, if that.

AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

Really? Where in Hawaii?

As a Canadian stuck in the frozen north, I dream of moving to Hawaii. I've looked at jobs there a few times, but it's hard for a Canadian to get hired...at least in government work.

/sigh
//threadjack

Haters....

                                                   Gonna HATE....

Why We Will Not Go To War With North Korea:

1. A tank gets 0.6 miles per gallon
2. North Korea produces 0.0 billion barrels of oil per day
3. China exports  8,432 bbl/day to North Korea
4. Seoul alone has a population of 10,000,000+ people
5. North Korea has approximately 5,000 tanks, more than half of which are absurdly outdated
6. Even without South Korean resistance, they would need all of those tanks AND about 1,000,000 supporting men, trucks, etc to take and hold Seoul
7. Which they would need lots and lots and LOTS of fuel for
8. Which they won't get without Chinese support

Also: 

1. North Korean nuclear weapons are smaller than the Hiroshima bomb
2. North Korea's sole nuclear plant only puts out enough material to make about one bomb per year
3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all
4. North Korea has only conducted 7 missile tests, 2 of which were long range and one of which failed

To sum up: they probably can't shoot us at all. Even if everything goes perfectly and won't shoot it down and the missile lands on target AND the bomb goes off...it will probably be less than 1/2 the yield of the Hiroshima bomb. For which we would immediately turn their whole country into a self-illuminating glass parking lot. Or invade, burn their palace down around their ears, and hang every man we found. Either way, it would be the total destruction of both their regime and their state, in return for...not all that much. 

A more scary scenario involves a launch at Seoul or Tokyo, but even that would get instant condemnation and destruction. Hell...China would HELP us dismantle them at that point.

The only scenario where this possibly leads to war in one in which they somehow get Chinese backing, then use those nukes to blast a couple of big-ass holes through the DMZ and roll south with everything they have. They would do a LOT of damage. Seoul would be wrecked, central South Korea would be a mess, and it would take some pretty sharp action to stop them. But it would happen. It would be the Korean War all over again, with the same result: unless China or Russia intervenes on behalf of North Korea, they cease to exist. 

North Korea is all kinds of crazy, but suicidal they aren't. Even if they actually believe their own propaganda vis-a-vis the US, they're quite realistic when it comes to China. They know they have an icicle's chance in Hell of taking them, and they have even less chance than that of surviving very long without their backing.

In summary: short of suicide, there will be no war, at least not started by North Korea. This current brinksmanship is happening for internal political reasons in North Korea, and will blow over eventually.

whistleridge: Why We Will Not Go To War With North Korea:

1. A tank gets 0.6 miles per gallon
2. North Korea produces 0.0 billion barrels of oil per day
3. China exports  8,432 bbl/day to North Korea
4. Seoul alone has a population of 10,000,000+ people
5. North Korea has approximately 5,000 tanks, more than half of which are absurdly outdated
6. Even without South Korean resistance, they would need all of those tanks AND about 1,000,000 supporting men, trucks, etc to take and hold Seoul
7. Which they would need lots and lots and LOTS of fuel for
8. Which they won't get without Chinese support

Also: 

1. North Korean nuclear weapons are smaller than the Hiroshima bomb
2. North Korea's sole nuclear plant only puts out enough material to make about one bomb per year
3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all
4. North Korea has only conducted 7 missile tests, 2 of which were long range and one of which failed

To sum up: they probably can't shoot us at all. Even if everything goes perfectly and won't shoot it down and the missile lands on target AND the bomb goes off...it will probably be less than 1/2 the yield of the Hiroshima bomb. For which we would immediately turn their whole country into a self-illuminating glass parking lot. Or invade, burn their palace down around their ears, and hang every man we found. Either way, it would be the total destruction of both their regime and their state, in return for...not all that much. 

A more scary scenario involves a launch at Seoul or Tokyo, but even that would get instant condemnation and destruction. Hell...China would HELP us dismantle them at that point.

The only scenario where this possibly leads to war in one in which they somehow get Chinese backing, then use those nukes to blast a couple of big-ass holes through the DMZ and roll south with everything they have. They would do a LOT of damage. Seoul would be wrecked, central South Korea would be a mess, and it would take some pretty sharp action to stop th ...

Whatever's going on in NK, it's managed to put China on the same side as Japan.

No matter what else goes down, 'that' deserves to be noticed and remarked upon.

whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all

Everybody posts that map, with no legend as to what the dark red vs. the light red means. Also, Alaska and Hawaii are very much part of the US.

ThatGuyGreg: whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all

Everybody posts that map, with no legend as to what the dark red vs. the light red means. Also, Alaska and Hawaii are very much part of the US.

Considering the level of tech involved in what they laughably call a 'delivery system', they'd be lucky if it didn't accidentally end up landing in China.

Infernalist: Considering the level of tech involved in what they laughably call a 'delivery system', they'd be lucky if it didn't accidentally end up landing in China.

I think that's referred to as the "best case scenario".

whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all

They'd have better luck throwing them.

ThatGuyGreg: whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all

Everybody posts that map, with no legend as to what the dark red vs. the light red means.

Fine.

Here:



And here:



And here:



The point is: Vancouver, Seattle, San Francisco, and LA are all in the 'maybe...if everything goes right' range. 

Also, Alaska and Hawaii are very much part of the US.
 
Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

Seriously, how much stick are we going to take from Chubby Jongstocking before droning some manners up his ham-hocks?

Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.

PreMortem: Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.

I imagine the US'll shoot down anything as soon as it clears NK airspace.

ThatGuyGreg: PreMortem: Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.

I imagine the US'll shoot down anything as soon as it clears NK airspace.

Sadly, that's harder to do than you might think. Just like they're lying through their teeth about shooting the US, we're lying through our teeth about our ability to shoot everything down.

Ground-based interceptors (GBI) have about a 50% success rate in tests, and that's under conditions where we know when the shot is coming, where it's being aimed, how fast it will be going, and what the profile of the target it. Expect that rate to drop by at least 50% in real-world conditions. We cheat, and say we'll fire 4 or 5 for a cumulative kill rate of 97%, but that's a projection - it's never been tested.

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) has a 100% test rate to date, but it's more limited in range and speed.

So...IF we can get THAAD-equipped ships in place, and IF they get proper intelligence of a coming test shot, and IF they can fire in the 1 - 2 minute window needed to successfully intercept, then yes...we can probably shoot their missile down. If THAAD doesn't come into play, we've got a greatly diminished chance of shooting it down.

Don't get me wrong: it's a hell of a lot more than we had in the Cold War, and a hell of a lot better than the 'nothing' everyone else has, but it's still far from a sure thing.

Wouldn't this made for an excellent real-world test of the Patriot defense system?

I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.

Given that they have actively THREATENED nuclear war, Japan has absolutely every right to shoot down any missile coming from there.  I rather doubt Japan would do anything else, but they certainly have made it clear that they absolutely do intend to do so.  Patriot missile batteries deployed in Tokyo.  They have to protect their own population, any nation would do the same.

If they do shoot a missile over Japan, the trajectory probably won't allow current systems to shoot it down, it will be near apogee when it passes over won't it? Unless it malfunctions and part of hit hits Japan, oops, then all hell will break loose.

fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

The No Dong sounds homophobic to me.

Also shot down over the Sea of Japan

Rev.K: AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

Really? Where in Hawaii?

As a Canadian stuck in the frozen north, I dream of moving to Hawaii. I've looked at jobs there a few times, but it's hard for a Canadian to get hired...at least in government work.

/sigh
//threadjack

Calgary is NOT the frozen north...

Gosling: nekom: Given that they have actively THREATENED nuclear war, Japan has absolutely every right to shoot down any missile coming from there.  I rather doubt Japan would do anything else, but they certainly have made it clear that they absolutely do intend to do so.  Patriot missile batteries deployed in Tokyo.  They have to protect their own population, any nation would do the same.

Besides, the one thing you don't threaten in front of Japan is nuclear anything. They get rather cross about the prospect of getting nuked. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Fukushima, and remember, Godzilla was originally an allegory about being reckless with nuclear power brought on after a random fishing boat of theirs got caught in nuclear-test fallout.

Very true. Though only the older generation remembers firsthand, but I can see why of all people in the world they might be especially worried about nukes.

Robo Beat: I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.

Take off his shirt and start strangling biatches?

That too.  But what I was thinking ryhmes with plutonium poisoning.

Gosling: KarmicDisaster: If they do shoot a missile over Japan, the trajectory probably won't allow current systems to shoot it down, it will be near apogee when it passes over won't it? Unless it malfunctions and part of hit hits Japan, oops, then all hell will break loose.

Japan ain't going to give a good goddamn about apogee. If it enters Japanese airspace, they're going to flip their shiat.

Oh, yeah they will, but like I said, a Patriot battery or anything else Japan possesses won't be able to shoot it down, it will be out of the envelope.  US anti-missle picket ship might have a chance depending.

whistleridge: Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

You're assuming they can actually tip that super long range three stage TD2 missile with a functional nuclear weapon. And that everything works.

I doubt the missile actually has that range, could hit anything accurately (even within a CEP of a few miles) at that range), would actually work as expected, and I REALLY doubt they have a nuclear weapon they can put on the top of the thing. It's one thing to build an atomic bomb. It's another to get the packaging down to a size where it fits on a rocket and is actually deliverable by ICBM.

The only evidence I've seen or heard of (not that I've seen a ton) that they actually have such a warhead is NK's own hyperbolic statements. At this point I'd trust a used car dealer to give me a reliable vehicle at a great price more than I would Kim Jong Un to accurately portray the current state of their forces.

Gosling: nekom: Very true. Though only the older generation remembers firsthand, but I can see why of all people in the world they might be especially worried about nukes.

The older generation remembers getting nuked by the US. They all remember the Fukushima incident.

Right, but they aren't exactly unique in that. The USSR and the USA have both had nuclear accidents of varying degrees of awfulness, but only Japan has ever actually been nuked.

Of course as an American who grew up at the tail end of the cold war, I still remember "duck and cover", it's a worldwide fear, but Japan certainly has a unique perspective on that.

MindStalker: whistleridge: Ground-based interceptors (GBI) have about a 50% success rate in tests, and that's under conditions where we know when the shot is coming, where it's being aimed, how fast it will be going, and what the profile of the target it. Expect that rate to drop by at least 50% in real-world conditions. We cheat, and say we'll fire 4 or 5 for a cumulative kill rate of 97%, but that's a projection - it's never been tested.

That's only an issue if they are firing dozens of long range missiles, the chances that they have more than 1 or 2 long range missiles is unlikely at best. We have more than enough interceptors to send 4 or 5 or more at the 1 or 2 they might send.

Hopefully, yes. I wouldn't want to gamble LA on it though.

fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

How do you feel about "dongle"? they are all over electronics.

akula: whistleridge: Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

You're assuming they can actually tip that super long range three stage TD2 missile with a functional nuclear weapon. And that everything works.

I doubt the missile actually has that range, could hit anything accurately (even within a CEP of a few miles) at that range), would actually work as expected, and I REALLY doubt they have a nuclear weapon they can put on the top of the thing. It's one thing to build an atomic bomb. It's another to get the packaging down to a size where it fits on a rocket and is actually deliverable by ICBM.

The only evidence I've seen or heard of (not that I've seen a ton) that they actually have such a warhead is NK's own hyperbolic statements. At this point I'd trust a used car dealer to give me a reliable vehicle at a great price more than I would Kim Jong Un to accurately portray the current state of their forces.

How I can tell you didn't read the whole thread :p 

See my Boobies.

Gosling: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Oh, Kim won't be permitted to see the rebuild. He's going to either die in the middle of it or become the new world hide-and-seek champ.

On an unrelated note, some insurance salesman named Kim Jongli is pricing condos in Pierre, SD.

whistleridge: How I can tell you didn't read the whole thread :p

See my Boobies.

EIP?

Uchiha_Cycliste: fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

How do you feel about "dongle"? they are all over electronics.

Shhhh! You wanna get fired?

stonicus: Kim is like someone who plays the single player version of an FPS on easy level, then thinks he is going to dominate in actual on-line multiplayer situations.

Eh, really? EASY MODO!?

fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

"It's an entirely different type of dong altogether."

neongoats: stonicus: Kim is like someone who plays the single player version of an FPS on easy level, then thinks he is going to dominate in actual on-line multiplayer situations.

You mean RTS.. I mean, they are Korean after all.

digistil: probesport: Well, it's currently Wednesday in NK.

Its 4:20 am in North Korea. Spark it up!

In related news, the U.S. annonunces a rest of its missile intercept system on Wednesday

whistleridge: akula: whistleridge: Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

You're assuming they can actually tip that super long range three stage TD2 missile with a functional nuclear weapon. And that everything works.

I doubt the missile actually has that range, could hit anything accurately (even within a CEP of a few miles) at that range), would actually work as expected, and I REALLY doubt they have a nuclear weapon they can put on the top of the thing. It's one thing to build an atomic bomb. It's another to get the packaging down to a size where it fits on a rocket and is actually deliverable by ICBM.

The only evidence I've seen or heard of (not that I've seen a ton) that they actually have such a warhead is NK's own hyperbolic statements. At this point I'd trust a used car dealer to give me a reliable vehicle at a great price more than I would Kim Jong Un to accurately portray the current state of their forces.

How I can tell you didn't read the whole thread :p 

See my Boobies.

Not sure I want to see those.

You're more optimistic than I am that there won't be war. I tend to think it's unlikely, but when you get stuff all primed up and the Norks are just wild and nutty, and well, shiat can happen from something like a missile test when you've been promising to nuke everybody within reach.

NK has less ability to harm the US directly than Luxembourg current possesses. But they do have the ability to bloody SK's nose (or really piss off the Japanese). Hopefully they'll decide they've rattled their sabers enough, but one of these days they actually WILL cross the line and start something. That or implode. I'd give even money odds between those two potential scenarios playing out.

kumanoki: "It's an entirely different type of dong altogether."

It's an entirely different type of dong.

Fark France: I believe THAAD is actually in place already. Along with some weird little floating radar buoy box we put out in the Pacific. Some people have speculated that this means we've moved a solid portion of our B-2 fleet to Guam, as many people in Missouri reported seeing a squadron fly towards the west coast a few days back. Missouri and Guam are the only bases where these bombers can be flown out of. NK's main weapon is its artillery.

THAAD is kinda/sorta in place. Its range is limited, so where it goes is a function of where we think the shots are mostly likely to happen, and the Nork missiles are moveable. We're in the optimal part of the launch probability zone for sure. But if they decided to go for broke and launch north over Russia, THAAD wouldn't do us much good in the Sea of Japan, hm?

North Korea's army is built for defense, not offense. They can't go south for sure, but equally going north would be a bloodbath.

fat boy: PreMortem: Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.

You know who else got shot down over the Sea of Japan?

kumanoki: Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

"It's an entirely different type of dong altogether."

They should call it the Giantdick Hammerpenis 4000.

fireclown: Richard C Stanford: I think Putin would run shirtless, drunk, and screaming through Best Korea, punching everything in his way.

I would pay to see that movie.

He is the Chuck Norris of Russia.

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

I'll take some that action.

akula: Not sure I want to see those.

Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made. 

You're more optimistic than I am that there won't be war. I tend to think it's unlikely, but when you get stuff all primed up and the Norks are just wild and nutty, and well, shiat can happen from something like a missile test when you've been promising to nuke everybody within reach.

NK has a long and glorious history of talking big and playing small. They haven't fought a meaningful action since the 1950s. Their equipment is outdated. They're on the edge of a famine, they have untested leadership, and they have to know our military is both veteran and technologically superior. They're like a kid who talks about how he will CUT YOU, but won't do more than chest bump unless he knows his big brother will have his back.

NK has less ability to harm the US directly than Luxembourg current possesses. But they do have the ability to bloody SK's nose (or really piss off the Japanese). Hopefully they'll decide they've rattled their sabers enough, but one of these days they actually WILL cross the line and start something. That or implode. I'd give even money odds between those two potential scenarios playing out.

My bet is on implosion. NK is like the monkey with its hand in the cookie jar for China: they would love to replace them with a more viable ally, but can't without force, which NK has enough nukes to deter. But of course, when they DO implode, those nukes may well come into play anyway. 

And so we're stuck with a pariah state, biding our time and hoping an opportunity eventually comes up that allows us to lower the pressure without anything stupid happening...

whistleridge: Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.

This is just getting funnier and funnier.

GalFriday: WHAT IS DENNIS RODMAN DOING ABOUT THIS?   HE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING TO STOP THIS!  I BLAME DENNIS RODMAN FOR THIS ENTIRE SITUATION.

He's visiting the Pope.

probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY

what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.

whistleridge: akula: Not sure I want to see those.

Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.

I_C_Weener: fireclown: Richard C Stanford: I think Putin would run shirtless, drunk, and screaming through Best Korea, punching everything in his way.

I would pay to see that movie.

He is the Chuck Norris of Russia.

Never cal Vlad anything but the Putin of "noun"

Rev.K: AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

Really? Where in Hawaii?

As a Canadian stuck in the frozen north, I dream of moving to Hawaii. I've looked at jobs there a few times, but it's hard for a Canadian to get hired...at least in government work.

/sigh
//threadjack

Either Maui or Kailua Kona on the Big Island.  Not interested in the bustle of Honolulu, even though I am in SoCal, so the bustle would still seem tame by comparison.  Looking to slow down and enjoy life.

Sword and Shield: digistil: Germany's reportedly allied itself with Japan, backing them up if BK so much as skeets in their direction.

It's just like old times.

North Korea farking up would be a world-unifier the likes of which has never been seen.

The US, Russians, Germans, even the Chinese would be backing Japan. You'd have NATO and the old Eastern Bloc all coming to play to curb stomp North Korea.

There would be nothing left around the 38th parallel.

Sweet!

Intelligent_Donkey: All this thread has done is make me want to watch M*A*S*H again...

A few Christmases ago my wife got me the entire box set. All 11 seasons, the movie, plus two discs of extras. Probably the best xmas present I recall getting in recent years. Plus you don't get the syndication cutouts you get watching it on fox or hallmark or whoever the hell owns it these days.

Uchiha_Cycliste: probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY

what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.

I'm talking about the actual people: the designers, the innovators, the minds that make up those companies that make up such a large chunk of our economy. In real world terms, no...those companies aren't a huge blow. But in terms of psychological and market impact...it would be devastating.

texdent: GalFriday: WHAT IS DENNIS RODMAN DOING ABOUT THIS?   HE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING TO STOP THIS!  I BLAME DENNIS RODMAN FOR THIS ENTIRE SITUATION.

He's visiting the Pope.

So you're saying we can expect the Vatican to declare war on us?

Killer Cars: whistleridge: Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.

Okay, now I'm very intrigued.

In other news, even some original spellings of the words that rhyme with 'wurst host' get filtered :p

Oldiron_79: IF best Korea makes us nuke them I hope we use Manned Strategic Bombers rather than ICBMs or SLCMs just so the CHICOMs or Rooskies dont have thier early warning systems go full retard and think we are launching at them.

In the highly unlikely event of things going that far, you can be pretty sure that the other ICBM capable countries would get a heads up prior to launch.

Fark France: I believe THAAD is actually in place already.

It is. The USS Antietam (CG-54) got to Japan a few months ago and is equipped for it.

whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY

what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.

I'm talking about the actual people: the designers, the innovators, the minds that make up those companies that make up such a large chunk of our economy. In real world terms, no...those companies aren't a huge blow. But in terms of psychological and market impact...it would be devastating.

I totally understand what you mean, and I understand and agree wholly. I was asking what's his face why he thought changing SV to China is worse.

FYI I work at one of the companies you mentioned. and I also have a very good idea how the design -> test -> fab -> manf. -> product flow works. No part of his "fixing" made sense.

Infernalist: whistleridge: Why We Will Not Go To War With North Korea:

[SNIP Interesting stuff]

Whatever's going on in NK, it's managed to put China on the same side as Japan.
No matter what else goes down, 'that' deserves to be noticed and remarked upon.

Well, Saddam Hussein managed to unite the USSR and the USA (though, to be fair, this was post-Soviet Russia).

But, yeah:  when you put it that way, the uniting of two age-old mortal enemies is a mark of how crazy dangerous
Lil' Kim has managed to become.

Uchiha_Cycliste: whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY

what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.

I'm talking about the actual people: the designers, the innovators, the minds that make up those companies that make up such a large chunk of our economy. In real world terms, no...those companies aren't a huge blow. But in terms of psychological and market impact...it would be devastating.

I totally understand what you mean, and I understand and agree wholly. I was asking what's his face why he thought changing SV to China is worse.

FYI I work at one of the companies you mentioned. and I also have a very good idea how the design -> test -> fab -> manf. -> product flow works. No part of his "fixing" made sense.

Apologies. I was very much in 'what about that doesn't make obvious sense' mode. :p

whistleridge: See my Boobies.

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whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY

what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.

I'm talking about the actual people: the designers, the innovators, the minds that make up those companies that make up such a large chunk of our economy. In real world terms, no...those companies aren't a huge blow. But in terms of psychological and market impact...it would be devastating.

I totally understand what you mean, and I understand and agree wholly. I was asking what's his face why he thought changing SV to China is worse.

FYI I work at one of the companies you mentioned. and I also have a very good idea how the design -> test -> fab -> manf. -> product flow works. No part of his "fixing" made sense.

Apologies. I was very much in 'what about that doesn't make obvious sense' mode. :p

No problem.  I mean.... if for some reason they attacked China, they STILL don't hit fab (which is practically ALL done at TSMC) they only set back manf for like 6 months until they rebuild in a new place.  How on earth would NK bombing China set back Tech 20-30 years? It's a retarded thing to say.

OK, hands up who got this picture in their minds when they first heard that the Japanese were deploying a missile
defense system?

jaybeezey: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I wish he and the rest of the Red Lectroids would just go back to Planet Ten already.

Kim Jong Bootey?

Kim Jong Big Bootey!

/no matter where ya go...
//there ya are

Oldiron_79: IF best Korea makes us nuke them I hope we use Manned Strategic Bombers rather than ICBMs or SLCMs just so the CHICOMs or Rooskies dont have thier early warning systems go full retard and think we are launching at them.

There hasn't been any real chance that the US would use nuclear weapons for anything other than retaliation against a nuclear attack from the Soviet Union since at least the late 1960's. And Obama is probably the most anti-nuclear President that we've ever had. More importantly it's VERY unlikely that this will become a shooting war, even if N. Korea launches a missile over Japan(unlikely) the Japanese will shoot it down and the world will continue very much the same as it did yesterday.

antron: [i46.tinypic.com image 597x402]

love it.  hadn't seen this meme until the confession bear story broke.  definitely remember this episode of SP, though.

whistleridge

and that doesn't even touch upon the fact a friggin' Million people live in San Jose alone. Though... I can see the upside of Obliterating Stanfurd.

\GrrrrrrRAH!