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(Chosun (Korea))   North Korea has notified nations that it plans to launch a missile over Japan on Wednesday. Japan has notified North Korea that if it does it's about to have a really bad rest of the week   (english.chosun.com) divider line 535
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2013-04-09 01:13:10 PM  
Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.
 
2013-04-09 01:14:23 PM  
Can't imagine why Japan would be all flinchy about possible nuke tests.

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Oh, yeah.
 
2013-04-09 01:17:26 PM  
I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.
 
2013-04-09 01:18:07 PM  
I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...
 
2013-04-09 01:21:18 PM  

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...


Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.  They can't grow anything.  They can't produce anything but weapons.  Sadly, they are very good at that.  We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.
 
2013-04-09 01:23:54 PM  

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...


Unlikely to happen.  More likely is a Chinese annexation of NK.  And they'll only do that if absolutely necessary.
 
2013-04-09 01:27:06 PM  
So last week they said all embassies need to be evacuated on 4/10/13. Now they're announcing a missile test, over Japan, on 4/10/13.

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2013-04-09 01:29:19 PM  

Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.


Has Japan ever claimed they would shoot down a test missile before?
 
2013-04-09 01:31:53 PM  

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...


I don't believe that Kim would make it through such an affair with both his head and his freedom intact.  The world hasn't been kind to disposed dictators of late.
 
2013-04-09 01:33:11 PM  

GleeUnit: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

I don't believe that Kim would make it through such an affair with both his head and his freedom intact.  The world hasn't been kind to disposed dictators of late.


Deposed, even.
 
2013-04-09 01:35:14 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.


Really?
 
2013-04-09 01:36:41 PM  

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...


Assuming of course that he lives through the intense bombing & assorted coup attempts surely to follow....

But yes I too was wondering if this was just a (deranged) plan to get the entire country rebuilt/brought up to code/decent infrastructure/etc on the cheap.  Sure you'll kill a bunch of your people, but you can't feed them anyway.  Also a bunch of military hardware will get chewed up, but it too is for the most part completely outdated & should have been sold as surplus decades ago.

I can see Little Kim a couple of weeks from now sitting deep in a bunker as BIG bombs are falling all around him, with a genuinely puzzled look on his face as he whines "But they've always backed down before..."
 
2013-04-09 01:36:48 PM  

GAT_00: Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.

Has Japan ever claimed they would shoot down a test missile before?


Just read that.  Also, caught this tidbit that's going to drive NK nuts...

He said Okinawa was "the place that is most effective in responding to emergencies ... so we should deploy the unit in Okinawa on a permanent basis".

Permanent basis for a few Patriot missile launchers.  That's basically the Japanese saying "No more missile flyovers of Japan for you."
 
2013-04-09 01:39:24 PM  

EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?


To be fair, those RREs are way way way out of reach right now.  NK mines only operate at about 30% capacity out of safety concerns.  They're obscenely outdated and in need of serious repair.  To get at those RREs in any real capacity would take a massive overhaul of existing infrastructure and modernization of their mining equipment.

A serious serious investment that would only pay off in a decade or so, if that.
 
2013-04-09 01:41:25 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.


Really? Where in Hawaii?

As a Canadian stuck in the frozen north, I dream of moving to Hawaii. I've looked at jobs there a few times, but it's hard for a Canadian to get hired...at least in government work.

/sigh
//threadjack
 
2013-04-09 01:44:12 PM  
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2013-04-09 01:51:21 PM  
Why We Will Not Go To War With North Korea:

1. A tank gets 0.6 miles per gallon
2. North Korea produces 0.0 billion barrels of oil per day
3. China exports  8,432 bbl/day to North Korea
4. Seoul alone has a population of 10,000,000+ people
5. North Korea has approximately 5,000 tanks, more than half of which are absurdly outdated
6. Even without South Korean resistance, they would need all of those tanks AND about 1,000,000 supporting men, trucks, etc to take and hold Seoul
7. Which they would need lots and lots and LOTS of fuel for
8. Which they won't get without Chinese support

Also: 

1. North Korean nuclear weapons are smaller than the Hiroshima bomb
2. North Korea's sole nuclear plant only puts out enough material to make about one bomb per year
3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all
4. North Korea has only conducted 7 missile tests, 2 of which were long range and one of which failed

To sum up: they probably can't shoot us at all. Even if everything goes perfectly and won't shoot it down and the missile lands on target AND the bomb goes off...it will probably be less than 1/2 the yield of the Hiroshima bomb. For which we would immediately turn their whole country into a self-illuminating glass parking lot. Or invade, burn their palace down around their ears, and hang every man we found. Either way, it would be the total destruction of both their regime and their state, in return for...not all that much. 

A more scary scenario involves a launch at Seoul or Tokyo, but even that would get instant condemnation and destruction. Hell...China would HELP us dismantle them at that point.

The only scenario where this possibly leads to war in one in which they somehow get Chinese backing, then use those nukes to blast a couple of big-ass holes through the DMZ and roll south with everything they have. They would do a LOT of damage. Seoul would be wrecked, central South Korea would be a mess, and it would take some pretty sharp action to stop them. But it would happen. It would be the Korean War all over again, with the same result: unless China or Russia intervenes on behalf of North Korea, they cease to exist. 

North Korea is all kinds of crazy, but suicidal they aren't. Even if they actually believe their own propaganda vis-a-vis the US, they're quite realistic when it comes to China. They know they have an icicle's chance in Hell of taking them, and they have even less chance than that of surviving very long without their backing.

In summary: short of suicide, there will be no war, at least not started by North Korea. This current brinksmanship is happening for internal political reasons in North Korea, and will blow over eventually.
 
2013-04-09 01:56:05 PM  

whistleridge: Why We Will Not Go To War With North Korea:

1. A tank gets 0.6 miles per gallon
2. North Korea produces 0.0 billion barrels of oil per day
3. China exports  8,432 bbl/day to North Korea
4. Seoul alone has a population of 10,000,000+ people
5. North Korea has approximately 5,000 tanks, more than half of which are absurdly outdated
6. Even without South Korean resistance, they would need all of those tanks AND about 1,000,000 supporting men, trucks, etc to take and hold Seoul
7. Which they would need lots and lots and LOTS of fuel for
8. Which they won't get without Chinese support

Also: 

1. North Korean nuclear weapons are smaller than the Hiroshima bomb
2. North Korea's sole nuclear plant only puts out enough material to make about one bomb per year
3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all
4. North Korea has only conducted 7 missile tests, 2 of which were long range and one of which failed

To sum up: they probably can't shoot us at all. Even if everything goes perfectly and won't shoot it down and the missile lands on target AND the bomb goes off...it will probably be less than 1/2 the yield of the Hiroshima bomb. For which we would immediately turn their whole country into a self-illuminating glass parking lot. Or invade, burn their palace down around their ears, and hang every man we found. Either way, it would be the total destruction of both their regime and their state, in return for...not all that much. 

A more scary scenario involves a launch at Seoul or Tokyo, but even that would get instant condemnation and destruction. Hell...China would HELP us dismantle them at that point.

The only scenario where this possibly leads to war in one in which they somehow get Chinese backing, then use those nukes to blast a couple of big-ass holes through the DMZ and roll south with everything they have. They would do a LOT of damage. Seoul would be wrecked, central South Korea would be a mess, and it would take some pretty sharp action to stop th ...


Whatever's going on in NK, it's managed to put China on the same side as Japan.

No matter what else goes down, 'that' deserves to be noticed and remarked upon.
 
2013-04-09 01:56:50 PM  

whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all


Everybody posts that map, with no legend as to what the dark red vs. the light red means. Also, Alaska and Hawaii are very much part of the US.
 
2013-04-09 01:59:56 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all

Everybody posts that map, with no legend as to what the dark red vs. the light red means. Also, Alaska and Hawaii are very much part of the US.


Considering the level of tech involved in what they laughably call a 'delivery system', they'd be lucky if it didn't accidentally end up landing in China.
 
2013-04-09 02:01:28 PM  

Infernalist: Considering the level of tech involved in what they laughably call a 'delivery system', they'd be lucky if it didn't accidentally end up landing in China.


I think that's referred to as the "best case scenario".
 
2013-04-09 02:03:36 PM  

whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all


They'd have better luck throwing them.
 
2013-04-09 02:05:55 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all

Everybody posts that map, with no legend as to what the dark red vs. the light red means.


Fine.

Here:

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And here:

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And here:

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The point is: Vancouver, Seattle, San Francisco, and LA are all in the 'maybe...if everything goes right' range. 

Also, Alaska and Hawaii are very much part of the US.
 
Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.
 
2013-04-09 02:08:12 PM  
Seriously, how much stick are we going to take from Chubby Jongstocking before droning some manners up his ham-hocks?
 
2013-04-09 02:14:36 PM  
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2013-04-09 02:15:44 PM  
Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.
 
2013-04-09 02:23:20 PM  

PreMortem: Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.


I imagine the US'll shoot down anything as soon as it clears NK airspace.
 
2013-04-09 02:35:23 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: PreMortem: Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.

I imagine the US'll shoot down anything as soon as it clears NK airspace.


Sadly, that's harder to do than you might think. Just like they're lying through their teeth about shooting the US, we're lying through our teeth about our ability to shoot everything down.

Ground-based interceptors (GBI) have about a 50% success rate in tests, and that's under conditions where we know when the shot is coming, where it's being aimed, how fast it will be going, and what the profile of the target it. Expect that rate to drop by at least 50% in real-world conditions. We cheat, and say we'll fire 4 or 5 for a cumulative kill rate of 97%, but that's a projection - it's never been tested.

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) has a 100% test rate to date, but it's more limited in range and speed.

So...IF we can get THAAD-equipped ships in place, and IF they get proper intelligence of a coming test shot, and IF they can fire in the 1 - 2 minute window needed to successfully intercept, then yes...we can probably shoot their missile down. If THAAD doesn't come into play, we've got a greatly diminished chance of shooting it down.

Don't get me wrong: it's a hell of a lot more than we had in the Cold War, and a hell of a lot better than the 'nothing' everyone else has, but it's still far from a sure thing.
 
2013-04-09 02:41:27 PM  
Wouldn't this made for an excellent real-world test of the Patriot defense system?
 
2013-04-09 02:50:08 PM  
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2013-04-09 02:57:12 PM  

Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.


Yes, but this time they've gone Full Retard before doing so.
 
2013-04-09 02:59:07 PM  

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...


Oh, Kim won't be permitted to see the rebuild. He's going to either die in the middle of it or become the new world hide-and-seek champ.
 
2013-04-09 02:59:11 PM  
I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....
 
2013-04-09 02:59:15 PM  
Well, that's one way for Japan to get out of a stagnating decades long economic slump.
 
2013-04-09 03:00:25 PM  

Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.


Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...
 
2013-04-09 03:00:35 PM  

Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....


Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.
 
2013-04-09 03:01:26 PM  
Given that they have actively THREATENED nuclear war, Japan has absolutely every right to shoot down any missile coming from there.  I rather doubt Japan would do anything else, but they certainly have made it clear that they absolutely do intend to do so.  Patriot missile batteries deployed in Tokyo.  They have to protect their own population, any nation would do the same.
 
2013-04-09 03:02:17 PM  

This About That: Wouldn't this made for an excellent real-world test of the Patriot defense system?


Didn't we do that back in the early 90's? I imagine they've only got better since then.
 
2013-04-09 03:03:08 PM  
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2013-04-09 03:03:09 PM  
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2013-04-09 03:03:57 PM  
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2013-04-09 03:04:40 PM  

netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...


I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?
 
2013-04-09 03:04:50 PM  

nekom: Given that they have actively THREATENED nuclear war, Japan has absolutely every right to shoot down any missile coming from there.  I rather doubt Japan would do anything else, but they certainly have made it clear that they absolutely do intend to do so.  Patriot missile batteries deployed in Tokyo.  They have to protect their own population, any nation would do the same.


Besides, the one thing you don't threaten in front of Japan is nuclear anything. They get rather cross about the prospect of getting nuked. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Fukushima, and remember, Godzilla was originally an allegory about being reckless with nuclear power brought on after a random fishing boat of theirs got caught in nuclear-test fallout.
 
2013-04-09 03:05:15 PM  
If they do shoot a missile over Japan, the trajectory probably won't allow current systems to shoot it down, it will be near apogee when it passes over won't it? Unless it malfunctions and part of hit hits Japan, oops, then all hell will break loose.
 
2013-04-09 03:05:33 PM  

Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.


Japan has never pre-announced their plans to shoot down the missile before.
 
2013-04-09 03:05:44 PM  

fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?


The No Dong sounds homophobic to me.
 
2013-04-09 03:06:22 PM  

whistleridge: Ground-based interceptors (GBI) have about a 50% success rate in tests, and that's under conditions where we know when the shot is coming, where it's being aimed, how fast it will be going, and what the profile of the target it. Expect that rate to drop by at least 50% in real-world conditions. We cheat, and say we'll fire 4 or 5 for a cumulative kill rate of 97%, but that's a projection - it's never been tested.


That's only an issue if they are firing dozens of long range missiles, the chances that they have more than 1 or 2 long range missiles is unlikely at best. We have more than enough interceptors to send 4 or 5 or more at the 1 or 2 they might send.
 
2013-04-09 03:06:29 PM  

KarmicDisaster: If they do shoot a missile over Japan, the trajectory probably won't allow current systems to shoot it down, it will be near apogee when it passes over won't it? Unless it malfunctions and part of hit hits Japan, oops, then all hell will break loose.


Japan ain't going to give a good goddamn about apogee. If it enters Japanese airspace, they're going to flip their shiat.
 
2013-04-09 03:06:35 PM  

I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.


Take off his shirt and start strangling biatches?
 
2013-04-09 03:06:54 PM  
Well, it's currently Wednesday in NK.
 
2013-04-09 03:07:04 PM  
Also shot down over the Sea of Japan
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2013-04-09 03:07:15 PM  
You think lil Kim has seen "The Mouse that Roared" one too many times.


I was watching BBC world news this morning and they were showing how Japan has deployed anti missle battaries around th ecountry and said if anything flew near them they would shoot it down.
 
2013-04-09 03:07:31 PM  

I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.


As can I. A diplomatic phone call to the Chinese, Japanese and US, saying to look the other way for ten minutes.

Remember the Somali pirates the Russian Navy stranded at sea?
 
2013-04-09 03:07:45 PM  

Rev.K: AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

Really? Where in Hawaii?

As a Canadian stuck in the frozen north, I dream of moving to Hawaii. I've looked at jobs there a few times, but it's hard for a Canadian to get hired...at least in government work.

/sigh
//threadjack


Calgary is NOT the frozen north...
 
2013-04-09 03:08:02 PM  

fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.


Japan shoots it down and NK calls that the agression and First Strike. Then it's on. It fits in with the theory that Lil-Un is starting shiat on purpose to lose and eventually be fed and rebuilt. Or he's just bat shiat insane.
 
2013-04-09 03:08:22 PM  

Gosling: nekom: Given that they have actively THREATENED nuclear war, Japan has absolutely every right to shoot down any missile coming from there.  I rather doubt Japan would do anything else, but they certainly have made it clear that they absolutely do intend to do so.  Patriot missile batteries deployed in Tokyo.  They have to protect their own population, any nation would do the same.

Besides, the one thing you don't threaten in front of Japan is nuclear anything. They get rather cross about the prospect of getting nuked. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Fukushima, and remember, Godzilla was originally an allegory about being reckless with nuclear power brought on after a random fishing boat of theirs got caught in nuclear-test fallout.


Very true. Though only the older generation remembers firsthand, but I can see why of all people in the world they might be especially worried about nukes.
 
2013-04-09 03:08:37 PM  

I_C_Weener: The No Dong sounds homophobic to me.


At BEST.  Less than manly at worst.
 
2013-04-09 03:08:50 PM  
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/Godzilla always delivers
 
2013-04-09 03:08:59 PM  

whistleridge: ThatGuyGreg: whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all

Everybody posts that map, with no legend as to what the dark red vs. the light red means.

Fine.

Here:

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And here:

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And here:

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I can see North Korea from my house
 
2013-04-09 03:09:16 PM  

I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.


"Kim Jong Eun was hospitalized today, apparently for a missing larynx...."
 
2013-04-09 03:09:32 PM  
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2013-04-09 03:09:45 PM  

Robo Beat: I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.

Take off his shirt and start strangling biatches?


That too.  But what I was thinking ryhmes with plutonium poisoning.
 
2013-04-09 03:10:01 PM  

nekom: Very true. Though only the older generation remembers firsthand, but I can see why of all people in the world they might be especially worried about nukes.


The older generation remembers getting nuked by the US. They all remember the Fukushima incident.
 
2013-04-09 03:10:11 PM  

Gosling: KarmicDisaster: If they do shoot a missile over Japan, the trajectory probably won't allow current systems to shoot it down, it will be near apogee when it passes over won't it? Unless it malfunctions and part of hit hits Japan, oops, then all hell will break loose.

Japan ain't going to give a good goddamn about apogee. If it enters Japanese airspace, they're going to flip their shiat.


Oh, yeah they will, but like I said, a Patriot battery or anything else Japan possesses won't be able to shoot it down, it will be out of the envelope.  US anti-missle picket ship might have a chance depending.
 
2013-04-09 03:11:36 PM  

whistleridge: Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.


You're assuming they can actually tip that super long range three stage TD2 missile with a functional nuclear weapon. And that everything works.

I doubt the missile actually has that range, could hit anything accurately (even within a CEP of a few miles) at that range), would actually work as expected, and I REALLY doubt they have a nuclear weapon they can put on the top of the thing. It's one thing to build an atomic bomb. It's another to get the packaging down to a size where it fits on a rocket and is actually deliverable by ICBM.

The only evidence I've seen or heard of (not that I've seen a ton) that they actually have such a warhead is NK's own hyperbolic statements. At this point I'd trust a used car dealer to give me a reliable vehicle at a great price more than I would Kim Jong Un to accurately portray the current state of their forces.
 
2013-04-09 03:11:59 PM  

Gosling: nekom: Very true. Though only the older generation remembers firsthand, but I can see why of all people in the world they might be especially worried about nukes.

The older generation remembers getting nuked by the US. They all remember the Fukushima incident.


Right, but they aren't exactly unique in that. The USSR and the USA have both had nuclear accidents of varying degrees of awfulness, but only Japan has ever actually been nuked.

Of course as an American who grew up at the tail end of the cold war, I still remember "duck and cover", it's a worldwide fear, but Japan certainly has a unique perspective on that.
 
2013-04-09 03:12:37 PM  
i.imgur.com

Quick!  Get in the bunker!!!
 
2013-04-09 03:12:43 PM  

MindStalker: whistleridge: Ground-based interceptors (GBI) have about a 50% success rate in tests, and that's under conditions where we know when the shot is coming, where it's being aimed, how fast it will be going, and what the profile of the target it. Expect that rate to drop by at least 50% in real-world conditions. We cheat, and say we'll fire 4 or 5 for a cumulative kill rate of 97%, but that's a projection - it's never been tested.

That's only an issue if they are firing dozens of long range missiles, the chances that they have more than 1 or 2 long range missiles is unlikely at best. We have more than enough interceptors to send 4 or 5 or more at the 1 or 2 they might send.


Hopefully, yes. I wouldn't want to gamble LA on it though.
 
2013-04-09 03:13:01 PM  

fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?


How do you feel about "dongle"? they are all over electronics.
 
2013-04-09 03:13:14 PM  
Kim is just a big Watchmen fan and is doing his part to unify the globe.
 
2013-04-09 03:13:27 PM  

akula: whistleridge: Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

You're assuming they can actually tip that super long range three stage TD2 missile with a functional nuclear weapon. And that everything works.

I doubt the missile actually has that range, could hit anything accurately (even within a CEP of a few miles) at that range), would actually work as expected, and I REALLY doubt they have a nuclear weapon they can put on the top of the thing. It's one thing to build an atomic bomb. It's another to get the packaging down to a size where it fits on a rocket and is actually deliverable by ICBM.

The only evidence I've seen or heard of (not that I've seen a ton) that they actually have such a warhead is NK's own hyperbolic statements. At this point I'd trust a used car dealer to give me a reliable vehicle at a great price more than I would Kim Jong Un to accurately portray the current state of their forces.


How I can tell you didn't read the whole thread :p 

See my Boobies.
 
2013-04-09 03:13:41 PM  

whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.


FTFY
 
2013-04-09 03:13:53 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Oh, yeah they will, but like I said, a Patriot battery or anything else Japan possesses won't be able to shoot it down, it will be out of the envelope. US anti-missle picket ship might have a chance depending.


Who said Japan would be shooting at the missile?
 
2013-04-09 03:14:05 PM  
Kim is like someone who plays the single player version of an FPS on easy level, then thinks he is going to dominate in actual on-line multiplayer situations.
 
2013-04-09 03:14:08 PM  

Gosling: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Oh, Kim won't be permitted to see the rebuild. He's going to either die in the middle of it or become the new world hide-and-seek champ.


On an unrelated note, some insurance salesman named Kim Jongli is pricing condos in Pierre, SD.
 
2013-04-09 03:14:12 PM  

whistleridge: How I can tell you didn't read the whole thread :p

See my Boobies.


EIP?
 
2013-04-09 03:14:30 PM  

PreMortem: Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.


You know who else got shot down over the Sea of Japan?
 
2013-04-09 03:14:53 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

How do you feel about "dongle"? they are all over electronics.


Shhhh! You wanna get fired?
 
2013-04-09 03:15:33 PM  
i290.photobucket.com
"This business,,,is the biggest joke I ever heard.
They got nothing.  We know their every move.
Even their friends think they're dicks.
I'll be in my room taking a nap.  If anything flies over, shoot it down!"
 
2013-04-09 03:15:43 PM  

CruiserTwelve: [i162.photobucket.com image 320x480]


Chuck could knock a missile down with a stern look.
 
2013-04-09 03:15:47 PM  

stonicus: Kim is like someone who plays the single player version of an FPS on easy level, then thinks he is going to dominate in actual on-line multiplayer situations.


And he's doing your mom of course.
 
2013-04-09 03:15:52 PM  
The poor Pacific ocean.  NK has a great record of beating up the Ocean with failed launches.  Why are there no environmental protests against NK for their attacks on the Pacific?
 
2013-04-09 03:16:22 PM  

whistleridge: ThatGuyGreg: PreMortem: Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.

I imagine the US'll shoot down anything as soon as it clears NK airspace.

Sadly, that's harder to do than you might think. Just like they're lying through their teeth about shooting the US, we're lying through our teeth about our ability to shoot everything down.

Ground-based interceptors (GBI) have about a 50% success rate in tests, and that's under conditions where we know when the shot is coming, where it's being aimed, how fast it will be going, and what the profile of the target it. Expect that rate to drop by at least 50% in real-world conditions. We cheat, and say we'll fire 4 or 5 for a cumulative kill rate of 97%, but that's a projection - it's never been tested.

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) has a 100% test rate to date, but it's more limited in range and speed.

So...IF we can get THAAD-equipped ships in place, and IF they get proper intelligence of a coming test shot, and IF they can fire in the 1 - 2 minute window needed to successfully intercept, then yes...we can probably shoot their missile down. If THAAD doesn't come into play, we've got a greatly diminished chance of shooting it down.

Don't get me wrong: it's a hell of a lot more than we had in the Cold War, and a hell of a lot better than the 'nothing' everyone else has, but it's still far from a sure thing.


I believe THAAD is actually in place already. Along with some weird little floating radar buoy box we put out in the Pacific. Some people have speculated that this means we've moved a solid portion of our B-2 fleet to Guam, as many people in Missouri reported seeing a squadron fly towards the west coast a few days back. Missouri and Guam are the only bases where these bombers can be flown out of. NK's main weapon is its artillery. They currently have the largest artillery force on the planet. They bought almost everyone's surplus after air superiority became the name of the game. Their positions are dug in for this, and the shelling of Seoul would be brutal. That's really their only card apart from human wave tactics. Half of their guns don't even work. If you watch their propaganda videos, some of the AKs are missing the bolt carrier, their machine guns are cobbled together from various obsolete models and made solely to look scary, and their training is laughable. They fire from the hip while advancing. This works well for a human wave, but only if your gun has a bolt. Without that, you might as well be pointing at people and yelling bang.

tl;dr- NK has nothing worth mentioning apart from artillery as far as conventional warfare is concerned, and we've put countermeasures in place for missile launches.
 
2013-04-09 03:17:15 PM  
Germany's reportedly allied itself with Japan, backing them up if BK so much as skeets in their direction.

It's just like old times.
 
2013-04-09 03:17:25 PM  

namegoeshere: fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Japan shoots it down and NK calls that the agression and First Strike. Then it's on. It fits in with the theory that Lil-Un is starting shiat on purpose to lose and eventually be fed and rebuilt. Or he's just bat shiat insane.


I'd guess he's insane. Lived a life of privilege? Check. Never exposed to reality? Check. Got everything/got away with anything he ever wanted? Probably. Spoiled? Oh most certainly.
 
2013-04-09 03:17:33 PM  

stonicus: Kim is like someone who plays the single player version of an FPS on easy level, then thinks he is going to dominate in actual on-line multiplayer situations.


Eh, really? EASY MODO!?
 
2013-04-09 03:18:14 PM  

stonicus: Kim is like someone who plays the single player version of an FPS on easy level, then thinks he is going to dominate in actual on-line multiplayer situations.


You mean RTS.. I mean, they are Korean after all.
 
2013-04-09 03:18:40 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.  They can't grow anything.  They can't produce anything but weapons.  Sadly, they are very good at that.  We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.


Absolutely false.  Lots of natural resources, and farm-able land.  Been there.  Seen it. Got the t-shirt and a pic
 
2013-04-09 03:18:59 PM  

probesport: Well, it's currently Wednesday in NK.


But they need light to man the launch controls.
 
2013-04-09 03:19:05 PM  
I wonder if NK is misdirecting the world's attention to Japan so they can bomb the bejeezus out of SK?

Food for thought.
 
2013-04-09 03:19:30 PM  
In other news today, the US Navy 7th Fleet held a press conference to announce their plan to test their AEGIS anti missile system in the vicinity of Japan around Wednesday.

When questioned, the spokesman denied that the Navy's announcement was anything other than purely coincidental vis-a-vis a recently announced possible North Korean missile launch.  He was quoted as saying, "No shiat?  They are?  Huh.  How about that?"
 
2013-04-09 03:19:33 PM  

fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?


"It's an entirely different type of dong altogether."
 
2013-04-09 03:19:38 PM  

MrBigglesworth: The poor Pacific ocean.  NK has a great record of beating up the Ocean with failed launches.  Why are there no environmental protests against NK for their attacks on the Pacific?


That's a bit like finding out your kid beat the crap out of an old lady while cutting school and robbing the corner store and then yelling at him for not making his bed that morning.
 
2013-04-09 03:19:52 PM  

EatHam: whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all

They'd have better luck throwing them.


Probably on schedule right at 5 0'clock.

basementrejects.com
 
2013-04-09 03:19:55 PM  

I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.


I think Putin would run shirtless, drunk, and screaming through Best Korea, punching everything in his way.
 
2013-04-09 03:20:34 PM  

neongoats: stonicus: Kim is like someone who plays the single player version of an FPS on easy level, then thinks he is going to dominate in actual on-line multiplayer situations.

You mean RTS.. I mean, they are Korean after all.


egamer.co.za
 
2013-04-09 03:20:38 PM  

Infernalist: EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?

To be fair, those RREs are way way way out of reach right now.  NK mines only operate at about 30% capacity out of safety concerns.  They're obscenely outdated and in need of serious repair.  To get at those RREs in any real capacity would take a massive overhaul of existing infrastructure and modernization of their mining equipment.

A serious serious investment that would only pay off in a decade or so, if that.


So the next war will be over rocks instead of oil.

/I guess this is the logical option. First it was religion, now it's resources.
 
2013-04-09 03:20:48 PM  

digistil: probesport: Well, it's currently Wednesday in NK.


Its 4:20 am in North Korea. Spark it up!
 
2013-04-09 03:21:34 PM  
In related news, the U.S. annonunces a rest of its missile intercept system on Wednesday
 
2013-04-09 03:21:40 PM  

whistleridge: akula: whistleridge: Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

You're assuming they can actually tip that super long range three stage TD2 missile with a functional nuclear weapon. And that everything works.

I doubt the missile actually has that range, could hit anything accurately (even within a CEP of a few miles) at that range), would actually work as expected, and I REALLY doubt they have a nuclear weapon they can put on the top of the thing. It's one thing to build an atomic bomb. It's another to get the packaging down to a size where it fits on a rocket and is actually deliverable by ICBM.

The only evidence I've seen or heard of (not that I've seen a ton) that they actually have such a warhead is NK's own hyperbolic statements. At this point I'd trust a used car dealer to give me a reliable vehicle at a great price more than I would Kim Jong Un to accurately portray the current state of their forces.

How I can tell you didn't read the whole thread :p 

See my Boobies.


Not sure I want to see those.

You're more optimistic than I am that there won't be war. I tend to think it's unlikely, but when you get stuff all primed up and the Norks are just wild and nutty, and well, shiat can happen from something like a missile test when you've been promising to nuke everybody within reach.

NK has less ability to harm the US directly than Luxembourg current possesses. But they do have the ability to bloody SK's nose (or really piss off the Japanese). Hopefully they'll decide they've rattled their sabers enough, but one of these days they actually WILL cross the line and start something. That or implode. I'd give even money odds between those two potential scenarios playing out.
 
2013-04-09 03:21:44 PM  

digistil: Germany's reportedly allied itself with Japan, backing them up if BK so much as skeets in their direction.

It's just like old times.


North Korea farking up would be a world-unifier the likes of which has never been seen.

The US, Russians, Germans, even the Chinese would be backing Japan. You'd have NATO and the old Eastern Bloc all coming to play to curb stomp North Korea.

There would be nothing left around the 38th parallel.
 
2013-04-09 03:22:59 PM  
Obligatory

i75.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-09 03:23:27 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: Infernalist: EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?

To be fair, those RREs are way way way out of reach right now.  NK mines only operate at about 30% capacity out of safety concerns.  They're obscenely outdated and in need of serious repair.  To get at those RREs in any real capacity would take a massive overhaul of existing infrastructure and modernization of their mining equipment.

A serious serious investment that would only pay off in a decade or so, if that.

So the next war will be over rocks instead of oil.

/I guess this is the logical option. First it was religion, now it's resources.


It was really always about resources. The people at the top always knew it. Religion is to get the drooling, common clay to help.
 
2013-04-09 03:23:32 PM  

EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?


I know a lot of unemployed coal miners that would go over to work for a 6 month rotation if displace Little Kim.
 
2013-04-09 03:23:41 PM  

Richard C Stanford: I think Putin would run shirtless, drunk, and screaming through Best Korea, punching everything in his way.


I would pay to see that movie.
 
2013-04-09 03:24:22 PM  

The_EliteOne: namegoeshere: fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Japan shoots it down and NK calls that the agression and First Strike. Then it's on. It fits in with the theory that Lil-Un is starting shiat on purpose to lose and eventually be fed and rebuilt. Or he's just bat shiat insane.

I'd guess he's insane. Lived a life of privilege? Check. Never exposed to reality? Check. Got everything/got away with anything he ever wanted? Probably. Spoiled? Oh most certainly.


Somebody probably gave him a hacked version of Civ2. He's already conquered the world 5000x. Why not bring it into the real world.

//My Phalanx pwned yer tank, lol
 
2013-04-09 03:24:40 PM  

MrBigglesworth: The poor Pacific ocean.  NK has a great record of beating up the Ocean with failed launches.  Why are there no environmental protests against NK for their attacks on the Pacific?


Nah, all the environmentalists support North Korea.
 
2013-04-09 03:24:47 PM  

Sword and Shield: North Korea farking up would be a world-unifier the likes of which has never been seen.

The US, Russians, Germans, even the Chinese would be backing Japan. You'd have NATO and the old Eastern Bloc all coming to play to curb stomp North Korea.


Hmm...you'd think the regime is aware that they're now pissing off everyone. Any possible outcome should be considered on the table, even a Jim Jones-esque "welp, I've managed to kill a congressman, we're farked now. Here kids, drink this".
 
2013-04-09 03:24:58 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Gosling: KarmicDisaster: If they do shoot a missile over Japan, the trajectory probably won't allow current systems to shoot it down, it will be near apogee when it passes over won't it? Unless it malfunctions and part of hit hits Japan, oops, then all hell will break loose.

Japan ain't going to give a good goddamn about apogee. If it enters Japanese airspace, they're going to flip their shiat.

Oh, yeah they will, but like I said, a Patriot battery or anything else Japan possesses won't be able to shoot it down, it will be out of the envelope.  US anti-missle picket ship might have a chance depending.


I'm certainly not the expert on this stuff but Japan does have Aegis-equipped ships that have SM-3s.  Apparently, one of these has been used to shoot down a ballistic missile.
 
2013-04-09 03:25:24 PM  

kumanoki: "It's an entirely different type of dong altogether."


It's an entirely different type of dong.
 
2013-04-09 03:25:31 PM  
Funny how our American Troops were treated in Chosun, and yet we can all get together now as allies and do the Ganham style dance, while over in the middle east, those primitive humanoids cannot reconcile differences over a thousand years old.
/just sayin'
 
2013-04-09 03:25:35 PM  

Fark France: I believe THAAD is actually in place already. Along with some weird little floating radar buoy box we put out in the Pacific. Some people have speculated that this means we've moved a solid portion of our B-2 fleet to Guam, as many people in Missouri reported seeing a squadron fly towards the west coast a few days back. Missouri and Guam are the only bases where these bombers can be flown out of. NK's main weapon is its artillery.


THAAD is kinda/sorta in place. Its range is limited, so where it goes is a function of where we think the shots are mostly likely to happen, and the Nork missiles are moveable. We're in the optimal part of the launch probability zone for sure. But if they decided to go for broke and launch north over Russia, THAAD wouldn't do us much good in the Sea of Japan, hm?

North Korea's army is built for defense, not offense. They can't go south for sure, but equally going north would be a bloodbath.
 
2013-04-09 03:25:50 PM  

fireclown: Richard C Stanford: I think Putin would run shirtless, drunk, and screaming through Best Korea, punching everything in his way.

I would pay to see that movie.


Presented by Samuel L. Bronkowitz
 
2013-04-09 03:26:06 PM  

GalFriday: I know a lot of unemployed coal miners that would go over to work for a 6 month rotation if displace Little Kim.


img30.imagehaven.net
I'd have displaced it, back in the day.
 
2013-04-09 03:26:25 PM  
Fark France:
I believe THAAD is actually in place already. Along with some weird little floating radar buoy box we put out in the Pacific. Some people have speculated that this means we've moved a solid portion of our B-2 fleet to Guam, as many people in Missouri reported seeing a squadron fly towards the west coast a few days back.

A friend of mine showed me a pic of B2's parked en-masse on the tarmac at Nellis a little over a week ago.  I would say there's a good chance they are in theater by now.
 
2013-04-09 03:26:49 PM  

fat boy: PreMortem: Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.

You know who else got shot down over the Sea of Japan?


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-09 03:26:56 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.


That's no attitude to have. Japan has poor natural resources, but has a pretty decent arrangement if 3rd ranked economy in the world is any indicator.
 
2013-04-09 03:27:17 PM  

fireclown: Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean? Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?


Korean is actually called Hangungmal, and "Taepo Dong" is literally "watery place".  Dong is 'place' used commonly as we use -town on the end of place names.
 
2013-04-09 03:27:28 PM  
It's already Wednesday there.
 
2013-04-09 03:28:02 PM  

kumanoki: Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

"It's an entirely different type of dong altogether."


They should call it the Giantdick Hammerpenis 4000.
 
2013-04-09 03:28:09 PM  
WHAT IS DENNIS RODMAN DOING ABOUT THIS?   HE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING TO STOP THIS!  I BLAME DENNIS RODMAN FOR THIS ENTIRE SITUATION.
 
2013-04-09 03:28:24 PM  

fireclown: Richard C Stanford: I think Putin would run shirtless, drunk, and screaming through Best Korea, punching everything in his way.

I would pay to see that movie.


He is the Chuck Norris of Russia.
 
2013-04-09 03:28:25 PM  

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...


I'll take some that action.
 
2013-04-09 03:28:42 PM  

I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.


I think NK launching a missile backward is as amusing as the next guy, but I can't seriously believe that their tech is so bad that they could fail to launch their missiles at least in a generally Easterly direction.
 
2013-04-09 03:28:47 PM  
I've been following the best korea threads (and ty, as always to you witty farkers) and it's like a soap opera with the speculation and drama escalation

Out of concern for the people of best korea who apparently hate the US due to endless propaganda, who don't have enough to eat, who are guilty of nothing more than geographic accident of birth, I have begun to pray they don't have to go through some of the scenarios posted here (and in earlier threads)

Being a godless american, I doubt prayer helps but I really, really don't want the "best case NK will last mere hours due to military overpowerment" for people doing nothing but walking around in their homeland.
 
2013-04-09 03:28:49 PM  
You know, the third week of April is the worst week on the calender. Hitler's birthday, Columbine, WTC bombing, Oklahoma City, BP oil spill started, Waco. Now we're looking at a full scale war by then. Makes me want to hide the whole week.
 
2013-04-09 03:29:08 PM  
I am more excited to talk to verified ladies.
pagead2.googlesyndication.com
 
2013-04-09 03:29:24 PM  

DougTaupe: A friend of mine showed me a pic of B2's parked en-masse on the tarmac at Nellis a little over a week ago. I would say there's a good chance they are in theater by now.


A better question is:
What carriers, attack subs, and boomers are out at sea now and do we even have confirmed locations on any of them.

I imagine there's a LOT of subs out in the Sea of Japan right now.  Question is, how many carrier groups are in the area?
 
2013-04-09 03:29:34 PM  
fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net
 
2013-04-09 03:30:02 PM  

whistleridge: but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands


Yea because we would never enter a decades long war over having a few thousand Americans killed in an attack right?
 
2013-04-09 03:30:46 PM  

Shazam999: [fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net image 600x720]


Mongler?
 
2013-04-09 03:30:57 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: Infernalist: EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?

To be fair, those RREs are way way way out of reach right now.  NK mines only operate at about 30% capacity out of safety concerns.  They're obscenely outdated and in need of serious repair.  To get at those RREs in any real capacity would take a massive overhaul of existing infrastructure and modernization of their mining equipment.

A serious serious investment that would only pay off in a decade or so, if that.

So the next war will be over rocks instead of oil.

/I guess this is the logical option. First it was religion, now it's resources.


If it's resources, why did we forget to loot Iraq for oil before we left?
 
2013-04-09 03:31:20 PM  
akula: Not sure I want to see those.

Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made. 

You're more optimistic than I am that there won't be war. I tend to think it's unlikely, but when you get stuff all primed up and the Norks are just wild and nutty, and well, shiat can happen from something like a missile test when you've been promising to nuke everybody within reach.

NK has a long and glorious history of talking big and playing small. They haven't fought a meaningful action since the 1950s. Their equipment is outdated. They're on the edge of a famine, they have untested leadership, and they have to know our military is both veteran and technologically superior. They're like a kid who talks about how he will CUT YOU, but won't do more than chest bump unless he knows his big brother will have his back.

NK has less ability to harm the US directly than Luxembourg current possesses. But they do have the ability to bloody SK's nose (or really piss off the Japanese). Hopefully they'll decide they've rattled their sabers enough, but one of these days they actually WILL cross the line and start something. That or implode. I'd give even money odds between those two potential scenarios playing out.

My bet is on implosion. NK is like the monkey with its hand in the cookie jar for China: they would love to replace them with a more viable ally, but can't without force, which NK has enough nukes to deter. But of course, when they DO implode, those nukes may well come into play anyway. 

And so we're stuck with a pariah state, biding our time and hoping an opportunity eventually comes up that allows us to lower the pressure without anything stupid happening...
 
2013-04-09 03:31:38 PM  
NK is the 5yr old child that is threatening to run away to crazyville. They keep looking back with each step down the driveway hoping someone will run out and offer them anything if they just come inside.
 
2013-04-09 03:32:42 PM  

whistleridge: Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.


This is just getting funnier and funnier.
 
2013-04-09 03:32:42 PM  

texdent: kumanoki: "It's an entirely different type of dong altogether."

It's an entirely different type of dong.


media.nola.com
 
2013-04-09 03:32:45 PM  

GalFriday: WHAT IS DENNIS RODMAN DOING ABOUT THIS?   HE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING TO STOP THIS!  I BLAME DENNIS RODMAN FOR THIS ENTIRE SITUATION.


He's visiting the Pope.
 
2013-04-09 03:33:13 PM  

whistleridge: Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.


Okay, now I'm very intrigued.
 
2013-04-09 03:33:19 PM  

neongoats: You mean RTS.. I mean, they are Korean after all.


You might be on to something here. The new chapter of Starcraft II just came out and it is focused on the Zerg. Maybe he is getting confused between the game and the real world and he is thinking he can rush Seoul with his zerglings ground troops!
 
2013-04-09 03:33:46 PM  
I think we should take that 'ray' we used to give Hugo cancer and use it on  that fatty piece of spunk 'ruling' N.Korea.What a fat,greezy turd he is.
 
2013-04-09 03:33:51 PM  

parasol: I've been following the best korea threads (and ty, as always to you witty farkers) and it's like a soap opera with the speculation and drama escalation

Out of concern for the people of best korea who apparently hate the US due to endless propaganda, who don't have enough to eat, who are guilty of nothing more than geographic accident of birth, I have begun to pray they don't have to go through some of the scenarios posted here (and in earlier threads)

Being a godless american, I doubt prayer helps but I really, really don't want the "best case NK will last mere hours due to military overpowerment" for people doing nothing but walking around in their homeland.


They're better off than us. I'm just hoping to get my yummy bird and heroin ration today. Glorious Leader should liberate us from the capitalist pigs or at least send more tents to the Red Cross, as mine blew away. Plus the snow is gone, so I can't get anymore snow coffee. Times will be tough again 'round these parts.
 
2013-04-09 03:34:18 PM  

whistleridge: ThatGuyGreg: whistleridge: 

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.


huh? You think everything at any one of those companies is truly based out of that location and/or couldn't be blown up and continue functioning as normal within days?   hint: it's pretty likely.
 
2013-04-09 03:35:18 PM  

probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY


what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.
 
2013-04-09 03:35:21 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: I imagine there's a LOT of subs out in the Sea of Japan right now. Question is, how many carrier groups are in the area?


There are three in the immediate area.  CVNs 68, 73 & 74
 
2013-04-09 03:35:44 PM  

whistleridge: akula: Not sure I want to see those.

Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-09 03:36:13 PM  

I_C_Weener: fireclown: Richard C Stanford: I think Putin would run shirtless, drunk, and screaming through Best Korea, punching everything in his way.

I would pay to see that movie.

He is the Chuck Norris of Russia.

www.rtve.es
Never cal Vlad anything but the Putin of "noun"
 
2013-04-09 03:36:50 PM  

Rev.K: AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

Really? Where in Hawaii?

As a Canadian stuck in the frozen north, I dream of moving to Hawaii. I've looked at jobs there a few times, but it's hard for a Canadian to get hired...at least in government work.

/sigh
//threadjack


Either Maui or Kailua Kona on the Big Island.  Not interested in the bustle of Honolulu, even though I am in SoCal, so the bustle would still seem tame by comparison.  Looking to slow down and enjoy life.
 
2013-04-09 03:37:00 PM  
All this thread has done is make me want to watch M*A*S*H again...
 
2013-04-09 03:37:21 PM  
Fark France: ".....Along with some weird little floating radar buoy box we put out in the Pacific."


Maybe the US has the Sea-Based radar positioned.   It left Pearl Harbor in early April,  but I wish someone would link to something official saying it is operating.     Actually in position.    So far everything I see is that it is 'on the way'   or  'being moved'.      It is not fast.

BMD is not cut and dried for the US or Japan.         For an IRBM,  sm-3 / PAC3 is not optimal.     My opinion is that it can do the job at a decent % rate.     But it is far from perfect.   (It's far better with the XBAND in place).

The US is very advanced in technology, as is Japan's military (they also have sm-3 / PAC3)..... but there really is nobody in the world who can demonstrate the ability to hit IRBM's at will at a high rate of accuracy.


If it would ever happen,  I think all sides will be wondering how it ends up.   ????
It's anybody guess.
 
2013-04-09 03:37:29 PM  

mizchief: Yea because we would never enter a decades long war over having a few thousand Americans killed in an attack right?


As of today we are still short about a thousand Americans dead in Afghanistan than were killed on 9/11.
 
2013-04-09 03:37:37 PM  

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...


If it hits the fan, Fatty the Third can expect to be in front of the Hague for Crimes against Humanity.

All assuming they don't find little bits of him scattered around a crater made from a Predator-launched Hellfire, of course.
 
2013-04-09 03:37:46 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: Korean is actually called Hangungmal, and "Taepo Dong" is literally "watery place". Dong is 'place' used commonly as we use -town on the end of place names.


Thanks.  As a world citizen with an interest in expanding my knowledge, I thank you.  However, as a Farker, I shall now continue making dong jokes.

/srsly, thanks.
 
2013-04-09 03:37:49 PM  
i.imgur.com
Japan will never see them coming.
 
2013-04-09 03:38:17 PM  

probesport: Shazam999: [fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net image 600x720]

Mongler?


It's from 4chan.  Best not to ask questions.
 
2013-04-09 03:38:34 PM  

Sword and Shield: digistil: Germany's reportedly allied itself with Japan, backing them up if BK so much as skeets in their direction.

It's just like old times.

North Korea farking up would be a world-unifier the likes of which has never been seen.

The US, Russians, Germans, even the Chinese would be backing Japan. You'd have NATO and the old Eastern Bloc all coming to play to curb stomp North Korea.

There would be nothing left around the 38th parallel.


Sweet!

www.90smovies.net
 
2013-04-09 03:39:31 PM  

Intelligent_Donkey: All this thread has done is make me want to watch M*A*S*H again...


A few Christmases ago my wife got me the entire box set. All 11 seasons, the movie, plus two discs of extras. Probably the best xmas present I recall getting in recent years. Plus you don't get the syndication cutouts you get watching it on fox or hallmark or whoever the hell owns it these days.
 
2013-04-09 03:39:32 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 850x479]
Japan will never see them coming.


She wouldn't see me coming either.  Mainly due to having a bag over her head and/or it from behind.
 
2013-04-09 03:39:54 PM  

Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....


When I read comments like these I can't help but be amaze but disturbed at the same time by the deep seated hatred of Asian people by the typical 'white' American.
 
2013-04-09 03:40:15 PM  
I wish he and the rest of the Red Lectroids would just go back to Planet Ten already.
 
2013-04-09 03:40:19 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Either Maui


Goodness, I read that as "Mali" and thought "um, I'd wait a bit to make sure the French have cleared the Islamists out..."
 
2013-04-09 03:40:57 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY

what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.


I'm talking about the actual people: the designers, the innovators, the minds that make up those companies that make up such a large chunk of our economy. In real world terms, no...those companies aren't a huge blow. But in terms of psychological and market impact...it would be devastating.
 
2013-04-09 03:41:01 PM  

texdent: GalFriday: WHAT IS DENNIS RODMAN DOING ABOUT THIS?   HE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING TO STOP THIS!  I BLAME DENNIS RODMAN FOR THIS ENTIRE SITUATION.

He's visiting the Pope.


So you're saying we can expect the Vatican to declare war on us?
 
2013-04-09 03:41:18 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

When I read comments like these I can't help but be amaze but disturbed at the same time by the deep seated hatred of Asian people by the typical 'white' American.


Hatred?  I LOVE me some asian schoolgirls!!!!
 
2013-04-09 03:42:08 PM  

Killer Cars: whistleridge: Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.

Okay, now I'm very intrigued.


In other news, even some original spellings of the words that rhyme with 'wurst host' get filtered :p
 
2013-04-09 03:43:18 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

When I read comments like these I can't help but be amaze but disturbed at the same time by the deep seated hatred of Asian people by the typical 'white' American.


To Snotnoses' defense, I think he was alluding to the spectacle of China stepping in to handle this nonsense.  Which I would kind of like to see.  The six way talks have to provide SOMETHING of use some day, and as an American I don't really want the US to be any more involved in this mess than we already are.
 
2013-04-09 03:43:35 PM  

fireclown: Richard C Stanford: I think Putin would run shirtless, drunk, and screaming through Best Korea, punching everything in his way.

I would pay to see that movie.


+1

I laughed AND clapped for this idea at my desk. In a cube farm. Surely, if they were confused by my insanity before, my coworkers are certain I'm nuts now.
 
2013-04-09 03:44:00 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I wish he and the rest of the Red Lectroids would just go back to Planet Ten already.


I love you, John Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion.
 
2013-04-09 03:44:17 PM  

EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?


I was gonna say something similar.

Last I knew, one of the biggest drivers of trying to reunify or at least deescalate was the resources NK hasn't bothered exploiting.
 
2013-04-09 03:44:52 PM  

nekom: Intelligent_Donkey: All this thread has done is make me want to watch M*A*S*H again...

A few Christmases ago my wife got me the entire box set. All 11 seasons, the movie, plus two discs of extras. Probably the best xmas present I recall getting in recent years. Plus you don't get the syndication cutouts you get watching it on fox or hallmark or whoever the hell owns it these days.


I'm jealous.

One of the best gifts I've been given was the Definitive Collection for The Twilight Zone. No cuts, includes the episodes that weren't in syndication, all the intros and outros, all the other bits.

M*A*S*H* is next on the list.
 
2013-04-09 03:44:58 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Rev.K: AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

Really? Where in Hawaii?

As a Canadian stuck in the frozen north, I dream of moving to Hawaii. I've looked at jobs there a few times, but it's hard for a Canadian to get hired...at least in government work.

/sigh
//threadjack

Either Maui or Kailua Kona on the Big Island.  Not interested in the bustle of Honolulu, even though I am in SoCal, so the bustle would still seem tame by comparison.  Looking to slow down and enjoy life.


Not sure they have missles which could reach here from there.

Why only government work?  Kauai is beautiful.  Eastside of Oahu is not like Honolulu, but is more expensiveas far as housing goes.
 
2013-04-09 03:45:11 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I wish he and the rest of the Red Lectroids would just go back to Planet Ten already.


Laugh while you can monkey-boy!
 
2013-04-09 03:47:00 PM  

stonicus: SuperNinjaToad: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

When I read comments like these I can't help but be amaze but disturbed at the same time by the deep seated hatred of Asian people by the typical 'white' American.

Hatred?  I LOVE me some asian schoolgirls!!!!


10-ridiculously-offensive-things-peop l e-tell-asian-women-on-OK-Cupid
 
2013-04-09 03:47:37 PM  
s13.postimg.org
 
2013-04-09 03:47:56 PM  
dear china. please nuke NK. add it to our tab.
 
2013-04-09 03:48:01 PM  

Dog Welder: texdent: GalFriday: WHAT IS DENNIS RODMAN DOING ABOUT THIS?   HE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING TO STOP THIS!  I BLAME DENNIS RODMAN FOR THIS ENTIRE SITUATION.

He's visiting the Pope.

So you're saying we can expect the Vatican to declare war on us?


As a woman, I already feel like the Vatican has declared war on me...

/or something feministish.
//you fill in the blanks, make it sound man-haterlike.
///I'm recovering from a migraine, that's my excuse.
 
2013-04-09 03:48:21 PM  
Has any NK missile test actually hit the target it was aimed at? IIRC our first generation ICBM's were very inaccurate. If they actually fire a missile at Guam or Hawaii I'm not so sure they could hit the island.

/would be suicide for them if they tried it
//nuclear or non-nuclear, wouldn't matter
 
2013-04-09 03:48:24 PM  
IF best Korea makes us nuke them I hope we use Manned Strategic Bombers rather than ICBMs or SLCMs just so the CHICOMs or Rooskies dont have thier early warning systems go full retard and think we are launching at them.
 
2013-04-09 03:49:35 PM  

EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?


The North Section of Korea was considered the wealthy part prior to the split.  It was all heavy industry becasue that was where the mineral wealth of the region was.

Southern Korea only had agriculture when the country split.
 
2013-04-09 03:51:05 PM  

netcentric: Fark France: ".....Along with some weird little floating radar buoy box we put out in the Pacific."


Maybe the US has the Sea-Based radar positioned.   It left Pearl Harbor in early April,  but I wish someone would link to something official saying it is operating.     Actually in position.    So far everything I see is that it is 'on the way'   or  'being moved'.      It is not fast.

BMD is not cut and dried for the US or Japan.         For an IRBM,  sm-3 / PAC3 is not optimal.     My opinion is that it can do the job at a decent % rate.     But it is far from perfect.   (It's far better with the XBAND in place).

The US is very advanced in technology, as is Japan's military (they also have sm-3 / PAC3)..... but there really is nobody in the world who can demonstrate the ability to hit IRBM's at will at a high rate of accuracy.


If it would ever happen,  I think all sides will be wondering how it ends up.   ????
It's anybody guess.


That's what it is. X-Band. I remembered it as that weird looking ball deal. Here's a news story that says we've moved it.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-deploys-sea-based-x-band-radar-pacific-20250 04 69.html
 
2013-04-09 03:51:11 PM  

Oldiron_79: IF best Korea makes us nuke them I hope we use Manned Strategic Bombers rather than ICBMs or SLCMs just so the CHICOMs or Rooskies dont have thier early warning systems go full retard and think we are launching at them.


In the highly unlikely event of things going that far, you can be pretty sure that the other ICBM capable countries would get a heads up prior to launch.
 
2013-04-09 03:51:39 PM  

Fark France: I believe THAAD is actually in place already.


It is. The USS Antietam (CG-54) got to Japan a few months ago and is equipped for it.
 
2013-04-09 03:52:40 PM  

Hack Patooey: whistleridge: akula: Not sure I want to see those.

Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 445x296]


Damn you! I was going to post that.
 
2013-04-09 03:52:51 PM  

whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY

what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.

I'm talking about the actual people: the designers, the innovators, the minds that make up those companies that make up such a large chunk of our economy. In real world terms, no...those companies aren't a huge blow. But in terms of psychological and market impact...it would be devastating.


I totally understand what you mean, and I understand and agree wholly. I was asking what's his face why he thought changing SV to China is worse.

FYI I work at one of the companies you mentioned. and I also have a very good idea how the design -> test -> fab -> manf. -> product flow works. No part of his "fixing" made sense.
 
2013-04-09 03:53:23 PM  

fireclown: SuperNinjaToad: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

When I read comments like these I can't help but be amaze but disturbed at the same time by the deep seated hatred of Asian people by the typical 'white' American.

To Snotnoses' defense, I think he was alluding to the spectacle of China stepping in to handle this nonsense.  Which I would kind of like to see.  The six way talks have to provide SOMETHING of use some day, and as an American I don't really want the US to be any more involved in this mess than we already are.


Agreed.  But, I think what Snotnose should have said was:

Phase 1. NK launches fully armed nuke.
Phase 2. Navigation goes crazy.
Phase 3. Detonates in an uninhabited area of Siberia.
Phase 4. Sit back with popcorn
Phase 5. ?
Phase 6. Profit.
 
2013-04-09 03:53:27 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-09 03:53:58 PM  

Infernalist: whistleridge: Why We Will Not Go To War With North Korea:


[SNIP Interesting stuff]

Whatever's going on in NK, it's managed to put China on the same side as Japan.
No matter what else goes down, 'that' deserves to be noticed and remarked upon.


Well, Saddam Hussein managed to unite the USSR and the USA (though, to be fair, this was post-Soviet Russia).

But, yeah:  when you put it that way, the uniting of two age-old mortal enemies is a mark of how crazy dangerous
Lil' Kim has managed to become.
 
2013-04-09 03:54:04 PM  

AFJuvat1: In the highly unlikely event of things going that far, you can be pretty sure that the other ICBM capable countries would get a heads up prior to launch.


Hell, there should be a top secret Skype meeting running 24/7 on this mess.  A senior diplomat from each of  the concerned countries just hanging out, ready to drop some information as it happens.  No reason not to, as nobody wants this to go full retard.
 
2013-04-09 03:54:51 PM  

netcentric: Maybe the US has the Sea-Based radar positioned.   It left Pearl Harbor in early April,  but I wish someone would link to something official saying it is operating.     Actually in position.    So far everything I see is that it is 'on the way'   or  'being moved'.      It is not fast.


Good plan, tell every journalist about the planned military movements. North Korea would never attack before these scheduled movements.
 
2013-04-09 03:55:12 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I wish he and the rest of the Red Lectroids would just go back to Planet Ten already.


Kim Jong Bootey?
 
2013-04-09 03:56:07 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY

what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.

I'm talking about the actual people: the designers, the innovators, the minds that make up those companies that make up such a large chunk of our economy. In real world terms, no...those companies aren't a huge blow. But in terms of psychological and market impact...it would be devastating.

I totally understand what you mean, and I understand and agree wholly. I was asking what's his face why he thought changing SV to China is worse.

FYI I work at one of the companies you mentioned. and I also have a very good idea how the design -> test -> fab -> manf. -> product flow works. No part of his "fixing" made sense.


Apologies. I was very much in 'what about that doesn't make obvious sense' mode. :p
 
2013-04-09 03:56:48 PM  

Oldiron_79: IF best Korea makes us nuke them I hope we use Manned Strategic Bombers rather than ICBMs or SLCMs just so the CHICOMs or Rooskies dont have thier early warning systems go full retard and think we are launching at them.


That is actually a very intelligent statement because IRL preemptive or counter strikes by opposing force is done at the moment of launch and not after the weapon has landed.

During the first couple hundreds miles of missile launch, it's trajectory at that time is still impossible to accurately predict where it would land other than just the general area.

If we launch at NK, there is NO WAY China or Russia can tell where the missile would land other than knowing it is headed in that general direction especially before MIRVs released and for sure they will send retaliatory missile strikes on the continental US. Also unlike NK, theirs can actually reach our cities..
 
2013-04-09 03:57:19 PM  

whistleridge: See my Boobies.


[nelson_haha.jpg]
 
2013-04-09 03:57:39 PM  

Bendimus_Prime: Agreed. But, I think what Snotnose should have said was:

Phase 1. NK launches fully armed nuke.
Phase 2. Navigation goes crazy.
Phase 3. Detonates in an uninhabited area of Siberia.
Phase 4. Sit back with popcorn
Phase 5. ?
Phase 6. Profit.


WHAT?  Have the people of Tunguska not suffered enough!?!?!
 
2013-04-09 03:57:53 PM  

LoneCoon: You know, the third week of April is the worst week on the calender. Hitler's birthday, Columbine, WTC bombing, Oklahoma City, BP oil spill started, Waco. Now we're looking at a full scale war by then. Makes me want to hide the whole week.


You never heard of the Ides of March.? You are supposed to beware them.
 
2013-04-09 03:58:30 PM  

whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY

what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.

I'm talking about the actual people: the designers, the innovators, the minds that make up those companies that make up such a large chunk of our economy. In real world terms, no...those companies aren't a huge blow. But in terms of psychological and market impact...it would be devastating.

I totally understand what you mean, and I understand and agree wholly. I was asking what's his face why he thought changing SV to China is worse.

FYI I work at one of the companies you mentioned. and I also have a very good idea how the design -> test -> fab -> manf. -> product flow works. No part of his "fixing" made sense.

Apologies. I was very much in 'what about that doesn't make obvious sense' mode. :p


No problem.  I mean.... if for some reason they attacked China, they STILL don't hit fab (which is practically ALL done at TSMC) they only set back manf for like 6 months until they rebuild in a new place.  How on earth would NK bombing China set back Tech 20-30 years? It's a retarded thing to say.
 
2013-04-09 03:59:06 PM  

jaybeezey: Kim Jong Bootey?


24.media.tumblr.com
Boo-TAY!  TAY!
 
2013-04-09 03:59:57 PM  

torusXL: Good plan, tell every journalist about the planned military movements. North Korea would never attack before these scheduled movements.


The point of broadcasting our movements is very much counter to DPRK's rhetoric. It's our way of tangibly countering every blustery threat they make.

There's also a bunch of moves we -aren't- broadcasting, too (like B-1 and B-2 rebasings)
 
2013-04-09 04:00:01 PM  

nekom: Given that they have actively THREATENED nuclear war, Japan has absolutely every right to shoot down any missile coming from there.  I rather doubt Japan would do anything else, but they certainly have made it clear that they absolutely do intend to do so.  Patriot missile batteries deployed in Tokyo.  They have to protect their own population, any nation would do the same.


I'd think, though I might be wrong, that putting them somewhere in Hokkaido might be better than somewhere in Tokyo. Though they might do even more better if they simply dropped several tons of nekomimi and shoujo pantsu on Pyongyang. Follow that up with a rain of Pocky and blast some J-Pop at them. They would either convert, go crazy, or both.

The greatest deterrent that North Korea has is itself. No one really wants to win against them because that would mean you get possession of a shiathole country that needs a ton of rebuilding work... and that's even before you consider the war damage. I doubt that even South Korea would want it even if it meant unification, the necessary resources would likely bankrupt them. The only real hope is a coup that puts in semi-coherent leadership that moves the country in a saner and more democratic direction. If that happened, a number of countries would likely help them thru several UN assistance programs.

But all that is moot as long as the Kim family remains in charge.
 
2013-04-09 04:00:19 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 590x393]


Guy on the left......

omgface.com
 
2013-04-09 04:00:41 PM  
You gonna get raped, fat boy,
Fat boy, wait til tomorrow.
 
2013-04-09 04:01:01 PM  

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: LoneCoon: You know, the third week of April is the worst week on the calender. Hitler's birthday, Columbine, WTC bombing, Oklahoma City, BP oil spill started, Waco. Now we're looking at a full scale war by then. Makes me want to hide the whole week.

You never heard of the Ides of March.? You are supposed to beware them.



the other Ides to beware...

beeradvocate.com

//hizot lizinkt
 
2013-04-09 04:01:39 PM  
Just a little bit, I would miss having North Korea around it its current state. It's such a fascinating place, even in a morbid sense. Maybe someone will come up with a theme park based on a cold war throwback police state?
 
2013-04-09 04:03:29 PM  

The Bestest: torusXL: Good plan, tell every journalist about the planned military movements. North Korea would never attack before these scheduled movements.

The point of broadcasting our movements is very much counter to DPRK's rhetoric. It's our way of tangibly countering every blustery threat they make.

There's also a bunch of moves we -aren't- broadcasting, too (like B-1 and B-2 rebasings)


Yeah but we want them to think that we think that they think that we think that they think that we think that they think that we're moving our ships to Easter Island to use the Easter Island heads as target practice for the giant ship cannons. That way, North Korea will think they're safe and archaeologists will scream in outrage and everyone will be confused.

Don't ruin the grand plan, man.
 
2013-04-09 04:03:56 PM  

whistleridge: ThatGuyGreg: whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all

Everybody posts that map, with no legend as to what the dark red vs. the light red means.

Fine.

Here:



And here:



And here:



The point is: Vancouver, Seattle, San Francisco, and LA are all in the 'maybe...if everything goes right' range. 

Also, Alaska and Hawaii are very much part of the US.
 
Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.


Loose lips....
 
2013-04-09 04:04:11 PM  
OK, hands up who got this picture in their minds when they first heard that the Japanese were deploying a missile
defense system?

www.igorstshirts.com
 
2013-04-09 04:04:12 PM  

jaybeezey: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I wish he and the rest of the Red Lectroids would just go back to Planet Ten already.

Kim Jong Bootey?


Kim Jong Big Bootey!

/no matter where ya go...
//there ya are
 
2013-04-09 04:04:58 PM  

fireclown: Bendimus_Prime: Agreed. But, I think what Snotnose should have said was:

Phase 1. NK launches fully armed nuke.
Phase 2. Navigation goes crazy.
Phase 3. Detonates in an uninhabited area of Siberia.
Phase 4. Sit back with popcorn
Phase 5. ?
Phase 6. Profit.

WHAT?  Have the people of Tunguska not suffered enough!?!?!


Not if we want this scenario to end with a shirtless Putin riding a bear into Un's castle and killing him with a lance. Sacrifices must be made.
 
2013-04-09 04:04:59 PM  
[Breaking news update at 3:56 p.m. Tuesday]

The Obama administration calculates it is likely North Korea may test fire mobile ballistic missiles at any time based on the most recent intelligence showing it is likely Pyongyang has completed launch preparations, a U.S. official said.
 
2013-04-09 04:05:07 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Oldiron_79: IF best Korea makes us nuke them I hope we use Manned Strategic Bombers rather than ICBMs or SLCMs just so the CHICOMs or Rooskies dont have thier early warning systems go full retard and think we are launching at them.

That is actually a very intelligent statement because IRL preemptive or counter strikes by opposing force is done at the moment of launch and not after the weapon has landed.

During the first couple hundreds miles of missile launch, it's trajectory at that time is still impossible to accurately predict where it would land other than just the general area.

If we launch at NK, there is NO WAY China or Russia can tell where the missile would land other than knowing it is headed in that general direction especially before MIRVs released and for sure they will send retaliatory missile strikes on the continental US. Also unlike NK, theirs can actually reach our cities..


Yup. Also unless I am trolling my statements are usually intellegent. If you see something retarded coming from me Im trolling.
 
2013-04-09 04:06:20 PM  
 
2013-04-09 04:06:29 PM  

Oldiron_79: IF best Korea makes us nuke them I hope we use Manned Strategic Bombers rather than ICBMs or SLCMs just so the CHICOMs or Rooskies dont have thier early warning systems go full retard and think we are launching at them.


There hasn't been any real chance that the US would use nuclear weapons for anything other than retaliation against a nuclear attack from the Soviet Union since at least the late 1960's. And Obama is probably the most anti-nuclear President that we've ever had. More importantly it's VERY unlikely that this will become a shooting war, even if N. Korea launches a missile over Japan(unlikely) the Japanese will shoot it down and the world will continue very much the same as it did yesterday.
 
2013-04-09 04:07:38 PM  

antron: [i46.tinypic.com image 597x402]


love it.  hadn't seen this meme until the confession bear story broke.  definitely remember this episode of SP, though.
 
2013-04-09 04:07:56 PM  
Japan will deploy Godzilla, Ultraman, Gamera and the Power Rangers if Best Korea follows thru with their threats.
 
2013-04-09 04:08:36 PM  
whistleridge

and that doesn't even touch upon the fact a friggin' Million people live in San Jose alone. Though... I can see the upside of Obliterating Stanfurd.

\GrrrrrrRAH!
 
2013-04-09 04:11:04 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: OK, hands up who got this picture in their minds when they first heard that the Japanese were deploying a missile
defense system?

[www.igorstshirts.com image 810x608]


bd77.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-09 04:11:55 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 590x393]


[bright green camo in brown field]

Somebody might want to let those guys know we can totally see them.
 
2013-04-09 04:12:36 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY

what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.

I'm talking about the actual people: the designers, the innovators, the minds that make up those companies that make up such a large chunk of our economy. In real world terms, no...those companies aren't a huge blow. But in terms of psychological and market impact...it would be devastating.

I totally understand what you mean, and I understand and agree wholly. I was asking what's his face why he thought changing SV to China is worse.

FYI I work at one of the companies you mentioned. and I also have a very good idea how the design -> test -> fab -> manf. -> product flow works. No part of his "fixing" made sense.

Apologies. I was very much in 'what about that doesn't make obvious sense' mode. :p

No problem.  I mean.... if for some reason they attacked China, they STILL don't hit fab (which is practically ALL done at TSMC) they only set back manf for like 6 months until they rebuild in a new place.  How on earth would NK bombing China set back Tech 20-30 years? It's a retarded thing to say.


Attacking Silicon valley wouldn't set the tech world back decades either there genius. It's not just lost to times. Hitting manufacturing and driving up prices on damn near every piece of electronics coming into the US while we are still not at the best economic times would be a bigger immediate blow.

Hurrr and/or durrr.
 
2013-04-09 04:12:40 PM  
Hopefully they do. A bit of fighting and propaganda war and we can be done with north korea and let the south koreans have a whole country again.
 
2013-04-09 04:12:49 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Oldiron_79: IF best Korea makes us nuke them I hope we use Manned Strategic Bombers rather than ICBMs or SLCMs just so the CHICOMs or Rooskies dont have thier early warning systems go full retard and think we are launching at them.

That is actually a very intelligent statement because IRL preemptive or counter strikes by opposing force is done at the moment of launch and not after the weapon has landed.


That's for a nation that has the capability to launch hundreds or even thousands of long range missiles at the same time. That's the "Use them or lose them" strategy because the assumption is that the missile silos will be the first thing targeted in the hopes of catching them still in the ground. For the Norks and just one or two missiles that can't reach the missile silos a stealth bomber would be more appropriate.

SLBM's are for second strikes in an attempt to catch people trying to dig out of the rubble of their cities (and to make it so that no matter what there will be missiles available even if there was somehow a successful first strike that took out all of our land and bomber based weapons).
 
2013-04-09 04:13:03 PM  
 
2013-04-09 04:13:26 PM  

Dinobot: Japan will deploy Godzilla, Ultraman, Gamera and the Power Rangers if Best Korea follows thru with their threats.


nice!

you forgot Voltron
 
2013-04-09 04:13:27 PM  

stuhayes2010: I am more excited to talk to verified ladies.
[pagead2.googlesyndication.com image 250x250]


"Ladies" from Thailand

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-04-09 04:14:24 PM  

Dinobot: Japan will deploy Godzilla, Ultraman, Gamera and the Power Rangers if Best Korea follows thru with their threats.


Don't forget Sailor Moon, Sunfire, Big Hero 6, and a few others.
 
2013-04-09 04:15:51 PM  

Freakin Rican: Dinobot: Japan will deploy Godzilla, Ultraman, Gamera and the Power Rangers if Best Korea follows thru with their threats.

nice!

you forgot Voltron


texdent: Dinobot: Japan will deploy Godzilla, Ultraman, Gamera and the Power Rangers if Best Korea follows thru with their threats.

Don't forget Sailor Moon, Sunfire, Big Hero 6, and a few others.


Megaman too. He might be able to defeat Nuke Man and gain nuke powers.
 
2013-04-09 04:15:58 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-09 04:16:00 PM  

triptheory: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: I wish he and the rest of the Red Lectroids would just go back to Planet Ten already.

Laugh while you can monkey-boy!


Why is there a watermelon there?
 
2013-04-09 04:16:44 PM  

probesport: Uchiha_Cycliste: whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: probesport: whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

FTFY

what does this even mean?
 you think hitting fab and manufacturing will be a huge tech setback? that's retarded.

I'm talking about the actual people: the designers, the innovators, the minds that make up those companies that make up such a large chunk of our economy. In real world terms, no...those companies aren't a huge blow. But in terms of psychological and market impact...it would be devastating.

I totally understand what you mean, and I understand and agree wholly. I was asking what's his face why he thought changing SV to China is worse.

FYI I work at one of the companies you mentioned. and I also have a very good idea how the design -> test -> fab -> manf. -> product flow works. No part of his "fixing" made sense.

Apologies. I was very much in 'what about that doesn't make obvious sense' mode. :p

No problem.  I mean.... if for some reason they attacked China, they STILL don't hit fab (which is practically ALL done at TSMC) they only set back manf for like 6 months until they rebuild in a new place.  How on earth would NK bombing China set back Tech 20-30 years? It's a retarded thing to say.

Attacking Silicon valley wouldn't set the tech world back decades either there genius. It's not just lost to times. Hitting manufacturing and driving up prices on damn near every piece of electronics coming into the US while we are still not at the best economic times would be a bigger immediate blow.

Hurrr and/or durrr.


sigh. herp and derp indeed.
 
2013-04-09 04:18:36 PM  
t.qkme.me
 
2013-04-09 04:21:02 PM  
What could be terrible is if bad luck strikes! I mean NK may genuinely launch a missile for testing purposes safely exploding into the deep waters of the Pacific but it's not out of this world crazy if the rocket engine fails or doesn't burn like intended and the missile falls and strikes Japan.

It is not too uncommon for missiles or rockets of any kind to fall short of their intended landing site due to engine malfunction or fuel problems.
 
2013-04-09 04:23:57 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: If we launch at NK, there is NO WAY China or Russia can tell where the missile would land other than knowing it is headed in that general direction especially before MIRVs released and for sure they will send retaliatory missile strikes on the continental US. Also unlike NK, theirs can actually reach our cities..


This is why subs full of SLCM's are lurking off North Korea's West coast, so the flight paths will be away from China or Russia.
 
2013-04-09 04:24:59 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: It is not too uncommon for missiles or rockets of any kind to fall short of their intended landing site due to engine malfunction or fuel problems.


That's what she said.
 
2013-04-09 04:26:10 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: DjangoStonereaver: OK, hands up who got this picture in their minds when they first heard that the Japanese were deploying a missile
defense system?

[www.igorstshirts.com image 810x608]


bd77.files.wordpress.com

I was going to use a pic of a Gundam, but I was always more a Robotech fan.

Let's split the difference, and bring in every Japanese media stereotype to lighten the mood:

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-09 04:26:22 PM  

akula: whistleridge: Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.

This is just getting funnier and funnier.


Ah yes, the boobies filter.  I have been a victim.  And yes, it does get funnier.
 
2013-04-09 04:26:31 PM  

whistleridge: akula: whistleridge: Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

You're assuming they can actually tip that super long range three stage TD2 missile with a functional nuclear weapon. And that everything works.

I doubt the missile actually has that range, could hit anything accurately (even within a CEP of a few miles) at that range), would actually work as expected, and I REALLY doubt they have a nuclear weapon they can put on the top of the thing. It's one thing to build an atomic bomb. It's another to get the packaging down to a size where it fits on a rocket and is actually deliverable by ICBM.

The only evidence I've seen or heard of (not that I've seen a ton) that they actually have such a warhead is NK's own hyperbolic statements. At this point I'd trust a used car dealer to give me a reliable vehicle at a great price more than I would Kim Jong Un to accurately portray the current state of their forces.

How I can tell you didn't read the whole thread :p 

See my Boobies.


Sure, EIP
 
2013-04-09 04:26:39 PM  
maybe the kid is just a

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-09 04:26:54 PM  
www.forte.jor.br

Is it really possible to excise California and leave the rest?

/go for it
 
2013-04-09 04:27:32 PM  

GAT_00: Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.

Has Japan ever claimed they would shoot down a test missile before?


They need to shoot it down.  If anything's going to shut them up, it will be a clear and undeniable demonstration that their new 'wonder weapon' is as useless as the rest of their obsolete toys.

I'd say let the USN do it, but the demoralization will be greater if they know that even the Japanese have the ability to swat them out of the sky.
 
2013-04-09 04:27:35 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Ego edo infantia cattus: DjangoStonereaver: OK, hands up who got this picture in their minds when they first heard that the Japanese were deploying a missile
defense system?

[www.igorstshirts.com image 810x608]

[bd77.files.wordpress.com image 800x600]

I was going to use a pic of a Gundam, but I was always more a Robotech Macross fan.

Let's split the difference, and bring in every Japanese media stereotype to lighten the mood:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 668x466]


Fix'd
 
2013-04-09 04:28:18 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: OK, hands up who got this picture in their minds when they first heard that the Japanese were deploying a missile
defense system?

[www.igorstshirts.com image 810x608]


/raises hand.
 
2013-04-09 04:28:42 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: OK, hands up who got this picture in their minds when they first heard that the Japanese were deploying a missile
defense system?

[www.igorstshirts.com image 810x608]


It flashed through my mind. Then I realized it wasn't real and was slightly disappointed before I continued reading the thread.
 
2013-04-09 04:29:13 PM  
Is this the Jingoism thread?
 
2013-04-09 04:29:48 PM  

Tony_Pepperoni: [i.imgur.com image 626x800]


Un wishes he had that kind of clout.  The thing is, he has no allies.  Nobody to make a pact with.  Nobody to assist him.  And he is in a part of the world where he is literally surrounded by superpowers or their allies.  If he was somewhere in Africa where nobody gives a fark he *might* be able to manage some territorial expansion before the rest of the world got mobilized, but even then it wouldn't be much.  As it is, *any* truely aggressive action on his part would be met with an immediate implosion of his entire country.  That's what makes his actions so damn astounding.  He has nothing to gain and absolutely everything to lose, and yet here we are.
 
2013-04-09 04:29:56 PM  

SuddenlySamhain: I think we should take that 'ray' we used to give Hugo cancer and use it on  that fatty piece of spunk 'ruling' N.Korea.What a fat,greezy turd he is.


Well, sad to say the timing is all wrong.  We just got it set up in earthquake mode and calibrated for Iran.  It's gonna take weeks to get that thing taken apart again and crated back up for shipping.

Sigh, a death ray technician's job is never done.
 
2013-04-09 04:31:30 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 850x479]
Japan will never see them coming.


The rest of the leaves were used as a life-sustaining salad.
 
2013-04-09 04:34:16 PM  
 
2013-04-09 04:34:43 PM  

probesport: Shazam999: [fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net image 600x720]

Mongler?


Have a Snickers.  You become a grammar Nazi when you're hungry.
 
2013-04-09 04:36:58 PM  
America has been in a perpetual state of war for over a decade.

i.imgur.com

Now it's having a VERY difficult time adjusting to peace and prosperity.  Hence the fascination with saber rattling from overseas nations.  Americans need their fix.


Coincidentally, it's the same reason why Women's magazines keep lusty scandels alive via rumour and innuendo, even when none exists.  The audience NEEDS it.
 
2013-04-09 04:37:03 PM  

whistleridge: Killer Cars: whistleridge: Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.

Okay, now I'm very intrigued.

In other news, even some original spellings of the words that rhyme with 'wurst host' get filtered :p


I'm sorry, I just had to check out your profile, figuring you'd have only been a member for a few months; a year tops.  <b>YOU'VE BEEN HERE NINE YEARS</b>, and it took you this long to find the shplurst shplost filter?!  That's... that's just... outstanding!

/sigh, I remember my first blurbst blosht.
 
2013-04-09 04:37:22 PM  

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...


I wonder where they got that idea from...
 
2013-04-09 04:38:05 PM  
Meanwhile I'm still trying to do boldface fonts the way WE did it nine years ago.

We're all just big, dumb idiots!
 
2013-04-09 04:39:14 PM  

StrangeQ: Tony_Pepperoni: [i.imgur.com image 626x800]

Un wishes he had that kind of clout.  The thing is, he has no allies.  Nobody to make a pact with.  Nobody to assist him.  And he is in a part of the world where he is literally surrounded by superpowers or their allies.  If he was somewhere in Africa where nobody gives a fark he *might* be able to manage some territorial expansion before the rest of the world got mobilized, but even then it wouldn't be much.  As it is, *any* truely aggressive action on his part would be met with an immediate implosion of his entire country.  That's what makes his actions so damn astounding.  He has nothing to gain and absolutely everything to lose, and yet here we are.


Exactly.

There's an exchange in Dogs of War I like for this:

Manson: Who are the country's friends, diplomatically speaking?
Endean: They don't have any. No one is interested, it's such a shambles.

Sounds like North Korea to me.
 
2013-04-09 04:39:30 PM  

crypticsatellite: Here's something fun to ponder:

http://intellihub.com/2013/04/08/secret-transmission-detected-from-n or th-korea/


The fact that that site is full of crazy?
 
2013-04-09 04:40:19 PM  

StrangeQ: As it is, *any* truely aggressive action on his part would be met with an immediate implosion of his entire country.  That's what makes his actions so damn astounding.  He has nothing to gain and absolutely everything to lose, and yet here we are.


I think it comes down to "Juche", total self-sufficiency and absolute national/cultural dedication. North Korea has declared that it's goal is reunification with South Korea, but without ever giving up the self-sufficiency and preservation of tradition. My guess would be that North Korea accuses South Korea of weakness, greed, etc. for "giving in to the West" and it's ways. South Korea would to the diplomatic route, but any compromise at all means North Korea isn't getting it's way with "Juche".

So, I'd say it's very possible that North Korea means it. They're saying "Get the fark out of the way so that I can deal with my other half who betrayed me! I don't want to harm you, but if you stand in the way, you become part of the problem!" Sort of an all-or-nothing attitude.

Also an insane, wacky, selfish, pathetic, horrible, violent attitude. Especially for an ideal which so hates materialistic ways, it is sure obsessed with getting it's materialistic way.
 
2013-04-09 04:42:01 PM  
Wow, it's like NK wants to have their shiat pushed in by MOAB bombs.
 
2013-04-09 04:43:40 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: crypticsatellite: Here's something fun to ponder:

http://intellihub.com/2013/04/08/secret-transmission-detected-from-n or th-korea/

The fact that that site is full of crazy?


But it's fun crazy!
 
2013-04-09 04:44:03 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: DougTaupe: A friend of mine showed me a pic of B2's parked en-masse on the tarmac at Nellis a little over a week ago. I would say there's a good chance they are in theater by now.

A better question is:
What carriers, attack subs, and boomers are out at sea now and do we even have confirmed locations on any of them.

I imagine there's a LOT of subs out in the Sea of Japan right now.  Question is, how many carrier groups are in the area?


Believe it or not, you can actually get that info pretty easily.  We don't have that many and they aren't easy to hide.

www.stratfor.com
 
2013-04-09 04:45:00 PM  

crypticsatellite: Here's something fun to ponder:

http://intellihub.com/2013/04/08/secret-transmission-detected-from-n or th-korea/


That website hurts my brain.
 
2013-04-09 04:45:06 PM  

texdent: Dinobot: Japan will deploy Godzilla, Ultraman, Gamera and the Power Rangers if Best Korea follows thru with their threats.

Don't forget Sailor Moon, Sunfire, Big Hero 6, and a few others.


Needs more Space Battleship Yamato.
 
2013-04-09 04:45:16 PM  

tinderfitles: DjangoStonereaver:

I was going to use a pic of a Gundam, but I was always more a Robotech Macross

Robotech  fan.

Fix'd


No it was right the first time.

I meant Robotech, not Macross.

I never watched the original Japanese, and I don't care if that makes me a heathen baka gaijun.

And yes, I know that the '3 seasons' in the US were 3 totally different shows in the original.  I don't really care.

/You sound... weeaboo-ey.....
 
2013-04-09 04:45:25 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.


FTFY. Current boss is Jong-un. Previous boss, and his father, was Jong-il. Granddad was Il-sung.

/So, it seems that my major worry in BK threads is correcting people on Korean naming conventions.
//I guess I'm just a complete asshole, or something.
 
2013-04-09 04:47:06 PM  
NK is the biggest attention whore.

If they were doing this for anything other than attention, they would have done it by now. If you're going to do it, then just do it. What's the point of telling everyone every little thing you're going to do?
 
2013-04-09 04:47:09 PM  

antron: [i46.tinypic.com image 597x402]


HAHA, I got that phrase stuck in the girlfriend's mind skiing last week.

I have never caught the alien in the background before.
 
2013-04-09 04:47:21 PM  

GleeUnit: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

I don't believe that Kim would make it through such an affair with both his head and his freedom intact.  The world hasn't been kind to disposed dictators of late.


Also, he's going to have a much harder time trying to hide out among the general population than Saddam or Muammar did.
 
2013-04-09 04:48:32 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: SuperNinjaToad: If we launch at NK, there is NO WAY China or Russia can tell where the missile would land other than knowing it is headed in that general direction especially before MIRVs released and for sure they will send retaliatory missile strikes on the continental US. Also unlike NK, theirs can actually reach our cities..

This is why subs full of SLCM's are lurking off North Korea's West coast, so the flight paths will be away from China or Russia.


No. There is a minimum range to those missiles and it would put them in or very near to Chinese waters. The US aren't going to put a boomer lurking that close to Beijing.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-04-09 04:50:25 PM  

Zombie Eater: texdent: kumanoki: "It's an entirely different type of dong altogether."

It's an entirely different type of dong.

[media.nola.com image 380x214]


Who call for "The Donger"?
I here!
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-09 04:50:31 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all

Everybody posts that map, with no legend as to what the dark red vs. the light red means. Also, Alaska and Hawaii are very much part of the US.


but they are not 'America-America'.....
 
2013-04-09 04:50:38 PM  

Gaumond: I have never caught the alien in the background before.


Same.
 
2013-04-09 04:52:22 PM  
If Lil Un is worried about losing control, or his head, taunting Japan (or someone else) into "attacking" NK, by blowing up their test missile but not doing any other actual damage might be just the ticket to rally the people behind him. If so, I wonder if he's thought through what comes next...
 
2013-04-09 04:52:31 PM  

fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?


We have 15 Aegis Destroyers off their coast.  Whatever they shoot will barely make it out of their airspace.

And can we please forget the old "Seoul will get seriously farked up" storyline?  No, no chance.
 
2013-04-09 04:53:10 PM  
Tomorrow Japan will activate:
www.wired.com
and shoot down the missile.
 
2013-04-09 04:53:35 PM  
"we've moved a solid portion of our B-2 fleet to Guam"

shiat! Hope it doesn't capsize!
 
2013-04-09 04:54:33 PM  
Simple.

Wait until it's dark. Then bomb the living shiat out of anything in North Korea that has lights on. Problem solved. I don't think anyone would object.
 
2013-04-09 04:55:05 PM  

jaybeezey: Rembrant_Q_Einstein: LoneCoon:

You never heard of the Ides of March.? You are supposed to beware them.


the other Ides to beware...


beeradvocate.com

Indeed. In college in the early '90s, after listening to too much Ice Cube and watching Boyz n the Hood, I decided I was going to cast off my whiteness for an evening. I figured the best way to get started was with a couple of St. Ides 40 oz. That evening did not end well for me...
 
2013-04-09 04:55:40 PM  

Radioactive Ass: No. There is a minimum range to those missiles and it would put them in or very near to Chinese waters. The US aren't going to put a boomer lurking that close to Beijing.


Agreed, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if some of the SSGN Ohios aren't prowling around the Sea of Japan right about now.
 
2013-04-09 04:56:40 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.


If you are looking for laid back, but actually want stuff to do then you are better off choosing Maui or Kuaui.  Big Island is a nice place for a weekend trip but there is fark all to do there.  Also imagine an island about 3x the size of Oahu and only being able to drive the perimeter.

Personally I like living on Oahu because I can still live a relaxed life without worrying about the hustle of living in town (I live on the leeward side).  I also delt with DC traffic for 8 years so i really don't mind the morning commute, which still averages about 45 min.  If you want more of the small beach town vibe, then you can always live in Kailua/Kaneohe or even the north shore, but those areas can get pretty pricey.
 
2013-04-09 04:56:48 PM  

dk47: We have 15 Aegis Destroyers off their coast. Whatever they shoot will barely make it out of their airspace.


I am not sure there are near that many destroyers and I don't think we can hit the ICBM that soon...if at all (depending what is being targeted).
 
2013-04-09 04:56:50 PM  
As a Hawaiian resident, I am not in the least bit concerned at the thought of being "within range" of lil kim's missiles.  Let them try and hit this little speck in the middle of the ocean.  even if they got past the interceptors, they'd likely go the way of Earhart, and disappear somewhere over the Pacific.
 
2013-04-09 04:57:26 PM  

cr7pilot: jaybeezey: Rembrant_Q_Einstein: LoneCoon:

You never heard of the Ides of March.? You are supposed to beware them.


the other Ides to beware...

[beeradvocate.com image 150x300]

Indeed. In college in the early '90s, after listening to too much Ice Cube and watching Boyz n the Hood, I decided I was going to cast off my whiteness for an evening. I figured the best way to get started was with a couple of St. Ides 40 oz. That evening did not end well for me...


Did any of you guys have access to Big Bear. Now THAT was some fine malt liqurah.

Oh and DPRK is bad, stop waving your Dongs all over the place
 
2013-04-09 04:59:09 PM  

Gaumond: antron: [i46.tinypic.com image 597x402]

HAHA, I got that phrase stuck in the girlfriend's mind skiing last week.

I have never caught the alien in the background before.


For a long time, South Park would sneak an alien somewhere into the episode. It was the same as Superman in Seinfeld. Pretty sure they stopped it with the more recent episodes, but for a while you could always catch an alien somewhere in the background.
 
2013-04-09 04:59:45 PM  
Can you imagine if the Nuke gets shot up over Japan?
Imagine the Electromagnetic pulse!
It's a good thing Japan doesn't have a lot of electronic equipment.


/say cheese!
 
2013-04-09 05:01:07 PM  

Iplaybass: Simple.

Wait until it's dark. Then bomb the living shiat out of anything in North Korea that has lights on. Problem solved. I don't think anyone would object.


www.partners-in-prayer.org

Soooo basically bomb Pyongyang and only Pyongyang

/imokwiththis.jpg
 
2013-04-09 05:01:17 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: But, yeah: when you put it that way, the uniting of two age-old mortal enemies is a mark of how crazy dangerous
Lil' Kim has managed to become.


What turned the tables in WWI was Wilhelm worried the Brits to the point that they secretly made a treaty with the French. No one was more shocked than the French.
 
2013-04-09 05:05:32 PM  
Maybe I'll just stay home from work tomorrow
 
2013-04-09 05:07:27 PM  
The US 7th Fleet has been joined by a Littoral Combat Ship.

/how does your dong like that?
 
2013-04-09 05:07:58 PM  

JustGetItRight: Agreed, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if some of the SSGN Ohios aren't prowling around the Sea of Japan right about now.


There's probably at least one there at all times. The boomers are all in their normal patrol areas out in the middle of the Pacific somewhere. Far away from where the Norks will ever be. They won't be used if we decide to nuke NK for some reason. That's what bombers are for.

The order of use would be air, then land, then sea. Or air and land together if it were someone like Russia or China. You don't use your most secure weapons first, you use the ones that are the most vulnerable first because if you don't they will be targeted and destroyed. In this instance the land based ones are also secure from anything that the Norks can do so it would fall on the air wings to do the dirty work which is probably why the B-2's are on Guam (balance precariously of course, we don't want to tip it over). That also means that there wouldn't be any crossed wires with China or Russia involving missile launches.
 
2013-04-09 05:08:34 PM  

gravespinner: The US 7th Fleet has been joined by a Littoral Combat Ship.

/how does your dong like that?


Metaphorical Combat Ship

/pet peeve
 
2013-04-09 05:09:21 PM  
Having taken the time to read through the thread, I'll throw this out there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taepodong-2

The sole testing of this missile was back in 2006 and it failed 40 seconds into its launch.
 
2013-04-09 05:09:47 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: cr7pilot: jaybeezey: Rembrant_Q_Einstein: LoneCoon:

You never heard of the Ides of March.? You are supposed to beware them.


the other Ides to beware...

[beeradvocate.com image 150x300]

Indeed. In college in the early '90s, after listening to too much Ice Cube and watching Boyz n the Hood, I decided I was going to cast off my whiteness for an evening. I figured the best way to get started was with a couple of St. Ides 40 oz. That evening did not end well for me...

Did any of you guys have access to Big Bear. Now THAT was some fine malt liqurah.


No Big Bear here. The reviews of St. Ides on BeerAdvocate are pretty genius. My favorite:

Served in a 40 oz. bottle in a brown paper bag in a strip club parking lot.
A- couldn't see it through the brown paper bag
S- smelled like a blackout
T- caramel, stripper biscuit, elderberries, asphalt, no grapefruit, slightly boozy
M- felt like vomit before it comes up
O- it lives up to the hype, but only if you can find it extremely unfresh
 
2013-04-09 05:10:42 PM  

Radioactive Ass: SuperNinjaToad: Oldiron_79: IF best Korea makes us nuke them I hope we use Manned Strategic Bombers rather than ICBMs or SLCMs just so the CHICOMs or Rooskies dont have thier early warning systems go full retard and think we are launching at them.

That is actually a very intelligent statement because IRL preemptive or counter strikes by opposing force is done at the moment of launch and not after the weapon has landed.

That's for a nation that has the capability to launch hundreds or even thousands of long range missiles at the same time. That's the "Use them or lose them" strategy because the assumption is that the missile silos will be the first thing targeted in the hopes of catching them still in the ground. For the Norks and just one or two missiles that can't reach the missile silos a stealth bomber would be more appropriate.

SLBM's are for second strikes in an attempt to catch people trying to dig out of the rubble of their cities (and to make it so that no matter what there will be missiles available even if there was somehow a successful first strike that took out all of our land and bomber based weapons).


SLBM's used to be 2nd strike weapons because they weren't accurate enough to hit silos.   That changed with the Ohio class subs and Trident missiles.    Their MIRVs can be GPS guided and are estimated to have a 90' CEP (circular error of probability)
 
2013-04-09 05:11:17 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: OK, hands up who got this picture in their minds when they first heard that the Japanese were deploying a missile
defense system?

[www.igorstshirts.com image 810x608]


I was more thinking:
i184.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-09 05:14:26 PM  
Plepare for raunch!

ocmit.com
 
2013-04-09 05:14:46 PM  

rikkitikkitavi: fireclown: Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean? Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

Korean is actually called Hangungmal, and "Taepo Dong" is literally "watery place".  Dong is 'place' used commonly as we use -town on the end of place names.


Not to be confused with ddong, which means poop. Which Koreans love for some reason.
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-09 05:15:23 PM  

scubamage: rikkitikkitavi: fireclown: Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean? Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

Korean is actually called Hangungmal, and "Taepo Dong" is literally "watery place".  Dong is 'place' used commonly as we use -town on the end of place names.

Not to be confused with ddong, which means poop. Which Koreans love for some reason.
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x375]


Have you ever 'tried' kimchi?
 
2013-04-09 05:16:23 PM  
 
2013-04-09 05:16:34 PM  
sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-04-09 05:16:41 PM  

fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?


"Dong" (or "tong") can mean "east," among other things like "neighborhood smaller than about five blocks," "child" or "link." "Tae" in the context of a weapon means "to strike or hit." Can't remember what "po" means, but I think it's a name or honorific. So yeah, "dong" sounds silly to us but it means something badass on their end.
 
2013-04-09 05:21:02 PM  

weiserfireman: SLBM's used to be 2nd strike weapons because they weren't accurate enough to hit silos. That changed with the Ohio class subs and Trident missiles. Their MIRVs can be GPS guided and are estimated to have a 90' CEP (circular error of probability)


I'm quite aware of the missiles capabilities however that doesn't change their preferred order of use as I described above. I do have 8 strategic deterrent patrols under my belt so I might have a bit of a better understanding of it than most people do. SLBM's are going to be the last ones to be used in almost any situation because they are well hidden and can be used well into any nuclear exchange (to "Clean up" if you will any targets left still standing). The only time that they might be used first is in a first strike sneak attack type situation where they are trying to take out a nations command and control before they have time to react. This is not one of those types of situations.
 
2013-04-09 05:21:28 PM  

pedobearapproved: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

missmeyet.jpg


I think there's an ICBM under your bed. Better check to be sure.
 
2013-04-09 05:21:32 PM  
I'd say we should bomb them back to the stone age, but they're already there.
 
2013-04-09 05:22:40 PM  

scubamage: rikkitikkitavi: fireclown: Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean? Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

Korean is actually called Hangungmal, and "Taepo Dong" is literally "watery place".  Dong is 'place' used commonly as we use -town on the end of place names.

Not to be confused with ddong, which means poop. Which Koreans love for some reason.
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x375]


There are likely 14 coffee shops in that picture alone.
 
2013-04-09 05:23:24 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: tinderfitles: DjangoStonereaver:

I was going to use a pic of a Gundam, but I was always more a Robotech MacrossRobotech  fan.

Fix'd

No it was right the first time.

I meant Robotech, not Macross.

I never watched the original Japanese, and I don't care if that makes me a heathen baka gaijun.

And yes, I know that the '3 seasons' in the US were 3 totally different shows in the original.  I don't really care.

/You sound... weeaboo-ey.....


Having watched both series (fine, all 6) I can say that Robotech IS better. Whoever stitched those 3 together for America did a fantastic job. (Carl Macek?)
Macross 2 sucked.
 
2013-04-09 05:23:36 PM  

The Bestest: pedobearapproved: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

missmeyet.jpg

I think there's an ICBM under your bed. Better check to be sure.


ICBM in my vagina, it's more likely than you think

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-04-09 05:25:42 PM  
Has anyone offered Un a cash buyout?
$5b to step down?
(Pick it up in Switzerland.)
 
2013-04-09 05:28:32 PM  

whistleridge: akula: whistleridge:

See my Boobies.


Um...no.
 
2013-04-09 05:28:33 PM  

pedobearapproved: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

missmeyet.jpg


You mean this one?
www.q-bo.com

Yeah - If he were in office, he'd already be wearing a flight suit, with a banner saying "Mission Accomplished."

We need a keen tactical mind like that one...
 
2013-04-09 05:31:54 PM  
Heh, type o' dong.
 
2013-04-09 05:33:53 PM  

comslave: I'd say we should bomb them back to the stone age, but they're already there.


We could take them with 12 totally tricked-out party buses and 13 of the baddest cars from classic movies.
 
2013-04-09 05:34:23 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Iplaybass: Simple.

Wait until it's dark. Then bomb the living shiat out of anything in North Korea that has lights on. Problem solved. I don't think anyone would object.

[www.partners-in-prayer.org image 850x637]

Soooo basically bomb Pyongyang and only Pyongyang

/imokwiththis.jpg


Oh come on. That picture is ten years old. I'm sure they've bought at least one more streetlight since then.
 
2013-04-09 05:35:03 PM  
I think the question that should be asked is what does North Korea hope to gain by behaving this way? It isn't like South Korea or any other nation is eager to invade and conquer them. There is a one-sided feud going on, and apparently with enough anger in its sails to disregard the lack of support of China, which is the only thing that causes  any sort of hesitation for retribution or action against North Korea. You have to wonder, if even after losing support of Big Brother they are persisting on this little quest, what is their end goal here? They have to understand that if they provoke a response they are going to be on the losing end in grand fashion. To my knowledge, they haven't made any sort of actual demands or offer up consequences. From the outside, it just appears that they are gearing up for a "war" they would most undoubtedly lose, and one that would be over with before it even started.

Is this all just a grand attempt at "Fat Un" to preserve his place?
 
2013-04-09 05:35:55 PM  

dabbletech: Is it really possible to excise California and leave the rest?

/go for it


Fark you.
 
2013-04-09 05:36:17 PM  

dk47: fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

We have 15 Aegis Destroyers off their coast.  Whatever they shoot will barely make it out of their airspace.

And can we please forget the old "Seoul will get seriously farked up" storyline?  No, no chance.


Correct me if I'm mistaken but I don't think we can reliably shoot down artillery shells which is the main danger for Seoul. The rockets, which we can sometimes shoot down, are for more distant targets while Seoul is "nicely" within artillery range.
 
2013-04-09 05:36:43 PM  

Gosling: We could take them with 12 totally tricked-out party buses and 13 of the baddest cars from classic movies.


Better yet; let's just bring out Korean war era equipment and make it a fair fight.  I vote for the Ontos.

www.battletanks.com
 
2013-04-09 05:37:32 PM  

gravespinner: The US 7th Fleet has been joined by a Littoral Combat Ship.

/how does your dong like that?


So there's at least one US ship that's going to get sunk if the shooting starts.

/Wonder why we sent one of the floating targets?
//How many times did it break down on the way?
 
2013-04-09 05:37:44 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: Also, Alaska and Hawaii are very much part of the US.


Yeah, and something about the last time a foreign power bombed Hawaii, we went to war with them, and ended up nuking them.

Bad precedent for Fatboy Kim to try to follow.
 
2013-04-09 05:40:01 PM  
whistleridge:

Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.

Pics or it never happened.
 
2013-04-09 05:43:06 PM  

Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.


Read up on japanese history. Sure theyve been timid since ww2. But feel free to poke that tifer with a stick.
Ever hear of the rape of nanking. Best korea goes picking that fight and I wouldnt be surprised to hear of the rape of pyongyang.

dont fark with those people. Even a rabid wolverine is harmless when sleeping. You poke it with a stick your taking your chances
 
2013-04-09 05:43:43 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: /I guess this is the logical option. First it was religion, now it's resources.


I would argue that the root causes of nearly all wars (yes, even those purported to be religion-based, such as the Crusades) have as the root cause population pressure - i.e., insufficient resources.
 
2013-04-09 05:45:27 PM  
But don't we have all that tech from Reagan's Star Wars programs to protect us from nuclear missiles?

Oh, wait, I forgot: that whole thing -- laser satellites, space weapons, the $8,000 toilet seat -- was faked to divert billions into illegal wars in Central America, the Middle East, and to help the CIA become drug dealers so crack could keep the black man down and the prisons full.
 
2013-04-09 05:46:45 PM  

Silverstaff: ThatGuyGreg: Also, Alaska and Hawaii are very much part of the US.

Yeah, and something about the last time a foreign power bombed Hawaii, we went to war with them, and ended up nuking them.

Bad precedent for Fatboy Kim to try to follow.


Well they did have to do it twice...
 
2013-04-09 05:47:13 PM  

mark625: scottydoesntknow: Iplaybass: Simple.

Wait until it's dark. Then bomb the living shiat out of anything in North Korea that has lights on. Problem solved. I don't think anyone would object.

[www.partners-in-prayer.org image 850x637]

Soooo basically bomb Pyongyang and only Pyongyang

/imokwiththis.jpg

Oh come on. That picture is ten years old. I'm sure they've bought at least one more streetlight since then.


I dunno if our photography improved or if their infrastructure improved.

Here's a link.
 
2013-04-09 05:47:55 PM  

pedobearapproved: The Bestest: pedobearapproved: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

missmeyet.jpg

I think there's an ICBM under your bed. Better check to be sure.

ICBM in my vagina, it's more likely than you think

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 502x494]


You've got a snuke!
 
2013-04-09 05:48:23 PM  
I can't help but wonder if this is a feint to try and restructure their country by providing a media-friendly "blaze of glory" moment. Their officials know that with their current economy and standard of living, they aren't going to go anywhere but more downhill. Their isolationism has strangled them. Un is smart enough to know that he can't win and that their current system of government is unsustainable, but can't speak out because of the old guard in the military and older party members. So, he is driving their country into a battle they can't possibly win so their country is forcefully rebuilt and their people can thrive - the ones that live through it anyway.

Or, they have a dagger hidden at our back somewhere and we haven't figured out where. Those are the two scenarios I can think of.
 
2013-04-09 05:49:16 PM  

UnspokenVoice: Correct me if I'm mistaken but I don't think we can reliably shoot down artillery shells which is the main danger for Seoul. The rockets, which we can sometimes shoot down, are for more distant targets while Seoul is "nicely" within artillery range


Actually, we can reliably shoot down artillery shells - just not on the scale needed to defend an entire city.

Centurion C-RAM

Oh, and the 'their artillery would level Seoul' rumor's been debunked repeatedly in every NK thread over the last few years.  Most of their tubes don't have the range to hit anything other than the suburbs and those that do won't fire nearly enough rounds to do massive damage before being destroyed by US/RoK air strikes.
 
2013-04-09 05:50:38 PM  
In reference to all the No Dong jokes, "nodong" means "worker" in Korean. One of the more maddening aspects of studying Korean is that A: more than half of Korean words were borrowed from Chinese, but because Korean isn't tonal, they ended up with a bunch of homonyms, which is why you'll see Chinese characters, aka "hanja", in Worst Korean newspapers and magazines to disambiguate words that are spelled the same but have different meanings.

And B: Best Korea eliminated hanja-"too foreign"-and does not use foreign loan words. As a result, the languages are diverging between Best and Worst Korea.
 
2013-04-09 05:50:45 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Gosling: We could take them with 12 totally tricked-out party buses and 13 of the baddest cars from classic movies.

Better yet; let's just bring out Korean war era equipment and make it a fair fight.  I vote for the Ontos.

[www.battletanks.com image 568x400]


Wow. You know what an Ontos is? LOL My father drove one in Korea.
 
2013-04-09 05:52:04 PM  

Psylence: DjangoStonereaver: tinderfitles: DjangoStonereaver:

I was going to use a pic of a Gundam, but I was always more a Robotech MacrossRobotech  fan.

Fix'd

No it was right the first time.

I meant Robotech, not Macross.

I never watched the original Japanese, and I don't care if that makes me a heathen baka gaijun.

And yes, I know that the '3 seasons' in the US were 3 totally different shows in the original.  I don't really care.

/You sound... weeaboo-ey.....

Having watched both series (fine, all 6) I can say that Robotech IS better. Whoever stitched those 3 together for America did a fantastic job. (Carl Macek?)
Macross 2 sucked.


Full metal panic is bestest =3
 
2013-04-09 05:52:26 PM  

akula: NK has less ability to harm the US directly than Luxembourg current possesses.


I understand your analogy, but I disagree with it.

www.vetfriends.com


As you can see here, the US has more than 60,000 troops stationed between Japan and South Korea, all within easy reach of weapons that South Korea possesses and we are reasonably certain are accurate enough to hit a stationary target. This does not include all of the warships and the personnel on board stationed in the region.

Luxembourg could theoretically hit the 60,000+ troops we have stationed between Germany and the UK with equivalent weapons; however, they really don't possess much of a military, much less any offensive missile capability. Therefore, North Korea has the potential to do more damage than Luxembourg.
 
2013-04-09 05:56:16 PM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
You mean Kahn Jr. won't sleep with me for testing my rocket?
 
2013-04-09 05:57:53 PM  

parasol: I've been following the best korea threads (and ty, as always to you witty farkers) and it's like a soap opera with the speculation and drama escalation

Out of concern for the people of best korea who apparently hate the US due to endless propaganda, who don't have enough to eat, who are guilty of nothing more than geographic accident of birth, I have begun to pray they don't have to go through some of the scenarios posted here (and in earlier threads)

Being a godless american, I doubt prayer helps but I really, really don't want the "best case NK will last mere hours due to military overpowerment" for people doing nothing but walking around in their homeland.


Read "Escape from Camp 14" And "Nothing to Envy". I think most of those people would welcome death. And shame on the ones that let it continue.

If there isn't a small group of resisters to the madness of North Korea, then they don't deserve to survive.

God help me, but I just don't believe the destruction of NK, and all it's people, would be a bad idea.

Many are praying for death, and those who aren't deserve it.
 
2013-04-09 05:58:34 PM  

Parallax: whistleridge: Killer Cars: whistleridge: Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.

Okay, now I'm very intrigued.

In other news, even some original spellings of the words that rhyme with 'wurst host' get filtered :p

I'm sorry, I just had to check out your profile, figuring you'd have only been a member for a few months; a year tops.  <b>YOU'VE BEEN HERE NINE YEARS</b>, and it took you this long to find the shplurst shplost filter?!  That's... that's just... outstanding!

/sigh, I remember my first blurbst blosht.


Oh, man, you have no idea. I knew about the 1st cereal maker filter in some ways, but I didn't realize that spelling it:

'a-a-a-a-a a-a-a-a' would trigger the filter or 'aaaaaaaaa'. Hence the unintentional hilarity.
 
2013-04-09 05:58:43 PM  

ox45tallboy: akula: NK has less ability to harm the US directly than Luxembourg current possesses.

I understand your analogy, but I disagree with it.

[www.vetfriends.com image 500x320]

As you can see here, the US has more than 60,000 troops stationed between Japan and South Korea


We do? So there's a big island between Japan and South Korea, or are they just swimming around or what?

//
 
2013-04-09 05:59:57 PM  

ox45tallboy: As you can see here, the US has more than 60,000 troops stationed between Japan and South Korea, all within easy reach of weapons that South Korea possesses and we are reasonably certain are accurate enough to hit a stationary target. This does not include all of the warships and the personnel on board stationed in the region.


Not to mention the threat they pose to our economy in their ability to do real damage to the many companies that call South Korea and Japan home who are also heavily invested in the US and employ a great number of US workers.

Protection of our legitimate economic interests is as valid a use of military force as protecting our borders.
 
2013-04-09 06:00:55 PM  
Oh, shiat

Lurch has been thrown into the fray ...

Secretary of StateJohn Kerrywill visit China, South Korea, and Japan later this week. A senior administration toldCNNthat Kerry will try to present a diplomatic path out of the crisis during his trip.

Now you should duck and cover
 
2013-04-09 06:02:17 PM  

Psylence: Having watched both series (fine, all 6) I can say that Robotech IS better. Whoever stitched those 3 together for America did a fantastic job. (Carl Macek?)
Macross 2 sucked.


You're the worst monster ever for saying that. Worse than Hitler. Robotech is a disgusting abomination that should have suffered a late term, partial birth abortion.

Macross 2 isn't even considered canon by either Robotech or Macross.

The Macross Saga is where it's at: Macross, Macross:DYRL, Macross 2012, Macross Plus, Macross 7, Macross Frontier.

Yeah, there were some video games that filled in the time gap, Like M3, but generally better than anything Golden Harmony could have ever put out.

/plus, those bastards killed Battletech.
 
2013-04-09 06:02:21 PM  

GleeUnit: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

I don't believe that Kim would make it through such an affair with both his head and his freedom intact.  The world hasn't been kind to disposed dictators of late.


Yeah I've been wondering about this being his hidden gambit.  But I don't see how Kim the Younger benefits, or even makes it out intact.  He could start a war then a month later "negotiate a peace" that rewards him to some degree, but he'd be hard-pressed to remain in power in DPRK, and probably would be killed.  He really doesn't have anywhere else to go in the world that I can see, and it doesn't seem like a foreign power could stay there and "rebuild" without  a major culture shift that a simple surrender doesn't achieve.

Maybe some sort of gambit to send the bloated military off on suicide mission... but it doesn't seem like the govt could survive that.  They'd be targeted too, and they rely on the military as their state police and mass make-work program.  The country would break without it.
 
2013-04-09 06:03:01 PM  

ox45tallboy: akula: NK has less ability to harm the US directly than Luxembourg current possesses.

I understand your analogy, but I disagree with it.

[www.vetfriends.com image 500x320]

As you can see here, the US has more than 60,000 troops stationed between Japan and South Korea, all within easy reach of weapons that South Korea possesses and we are reasonably certain are accurate enough to hit a stationary target. .


Great, now you say we have to worry about the South Koreans too?
 
2013-04-09 06:03:08 PM  
Wouldn't it be much easier to get the nuke closer to the USA and launch it from there? Hide it in a boat and sail toward our coast. Or probably easier, take the bomb, smuggle it into Canada then into the US and pick whatever city you want to destroy. Not trivial but easier than designing a very long range missile..
 
2013-04-09 06:03:12 PM  

whistleridge: Parallax: whistleridge: Killer Cars: whistleridge: Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.

Okay, now I'm very intrigued.

In other news, even some original spellings of the words that rhyme with 'wurst host' get filtered :p

I'm sorry, I just had to check out your profile, figuring you'd have only been a member for a few months; a year tops.  <b>YOU'VE BEEN HERE NINE YEARS</b>, and it took you this long to find the shplurst shplost filter?!  That's... that's just... outstanding!

/sigh, I remember my first blurbst blosht.

Oh, man, you have no idea. I knew about the 1st cereal maker filter in some ways, but I didn't realize that spelling it:

'a-a-a-a-a a-a-a-a' would trigger the filter or 'aaaaaaaaa'. Hence the unintentional hilarity.


Do you know what a Reg-Ex is?
 
2013-04-09 06:04:52 PM  

Oznog: He could start a war then a month later "negotiate a peace" that rewards him to some degree,


I don't think anyone would be in the mood to negotiate with him anymore. Once North Korea gets into a war, that's it. The band-aid's ripped off, the worst has already happened, and there's nothing left to do but put him in a pine box by any means necessary.
 
2013-04-09 06:05:14 PM  
Uchiha_Cycliste:

Do you know what a Reg-Ex is?

Is it what you take when you're not taking Ex-Lax??
 
2013-04-09 06:05:22 PM  

Resident Muslim: Can you imagine if the Nuke gets shot up over Japan?
Imagine the Electromagnetic pulse!
It's a good thing Japan doesn't have a lot of electronic equipment.


I'm just going to assume that you're joking.
 
2013-04-09 06:06:07 PM  
s9.postimg.org
 
2013-04-09 06:06:09 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: When I read comments like these I can't help but be amaze but disturbed at the same time by the deep seated hatred of Asian people by the typical 'white' American.


Scuze me?  China is propping up BK, without them BK would implode.  Seems appropriate BK's missile test farks with a Chinese city.  No hatred involved, just delicious irony.
 
2013-04-09 06:06:29 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

When I read comments like these I can't help but be amaze but disturbed at the same time by the deep seated hatred of Asian people by the typical 'white' American.


Uh ... wut?
Hey, we finally found out Jesse Jackson's Fark handle ....
 
2013-04-09 06:07:44 PM  

Loose_Cannon: If there isn't a small group of resisters to the madness of North Korea, then they don't deserve to survive.God help me, but I just don't believe the destruction of NK, and all it's people, would be a bad idea.Many are praying for death, and those who aren't deserve it.


You should be ashamed at your mind-bending arrogance.Have you ever been tortured by years of no food? Not just years, but even your parent's generation dealing with starvation? Had your mind warped by propaganda from the day you were born? If so, I don't think you'd be nearly as tough as you pretend.

What if in the future, it becomes a fact that 1st World industries have obliterated the environment past no return, and people living in the dominant country call for the destruction of yours with no mercy because "God help me, since there wasn't a small group of resisters to the madness of the 21st century, they all deserve to die."?
 
2013-04-09 06:08:39 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Iplaybass: Simple.

Wait until it's dark. Then bomb the living shiat out of anything in North Korea that has lights on. Problem solved. I don't think anyone would object.

[www.partners-in-prayer.org image 850x637]

Soooo basically bomb Pyongyang and only Pyongyang

/imokwiththis.jpg


i.imgur.com
I found a map from the future
 
2013-04-09 06:08:53 PM  

EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?


And my ass might be sitting on a $30 trillion butthole, but no prick will ever find out.
 
2013-04-09 06:10:11 PM  

JustGetItRight: UnspokenVoice: Correct me if I'm mistaken but I don't think we can reliably shoot down artillery shells which is the main danger for Seoul. The rockets, which we can sometimes shoot down, are for more distant targets while Seoul is "nicely" within artillery range

Actually, we can reliably shoot down artillery shells - just not on the scale needed to defend an entire city.

Centurion C-RAM

Oh, and the 'their artillery would level Seoul' rumor's been debunked repeatedly in every NK thread over the last few years.  Most of their tubes don't have the range to hit anything other than the suburbs and those that do won't fire nearly enough rounds to do massive damage before being destroyed by US/RoK air strikes.


Interesting and thanks. There was a dude on CNN earlier today who postulated that Seoul was destined to take a significant amount of damage (I think that's verbatim) if they launched their artillery. As he was an "expert" in the field I'll defer to him instead of it being "debunked in a Fark thread" however. No offense intended or anything and he may well be mistaken but he's the "expert."

(I treat science the same way, deferring to the quantum physicists instead of the guys in the Geek tab as being the more credible source.) There's every chance that they're wrong, I accept that, but I've heard enough of them repeat the same general thing so I'll go with them.

Sadly that leaves me with this:

Yeah, it seems we can shoot some down but not enough to make much of a difference and they're still screwed. I don't think anyone believes that they can turn Seoul into a "sea of fire" but they're still pretty well screwed with (again, going from memory) the 170mm artillery. While it's certainly not leveling the city (which wasn't something I was worried about) it is still potentially a lot of damage and death. IIRC the 170mm was capable of ~45 miles which means people are potentially dead and property damaged. I don't think anyone credible believed NK's rhetoric about literally leveling Seoul or making it a "sea of fire."

It was interesting to learn of the Centurion - thanks. I've never seen that critter before.
 
2013-04-09 06:15:39 PM  

Klom Dark: Uchiha_Cycliste:

Do you know what a Reg-Ex is?

Is it what you take when you're not taking Ex-Lax??


naw, that's smack =D
 
2013-04-09 06:16:45 PM  
The satellite/missile launch took place at just before 01:00 gmt and the nuke test took place just before 03:00 gmt (10am and 12am local time). It's now the 10th in pyongyang, just gone 07:00
 
2013-04-09 06:17:17 PM  

mooseyfate: EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?

And my ass might be sitting on a $30 trillion butthole, but no prick will ever find out.


enjoy your 50th b-day
 
2013-04-09 06:17:20 PM  
I have a question which has nothing to do with the thread. how many people visit the comment section of fark with absolutely nothing witty or thought provoking. but feel like they contribute, and can feel superior by grammer checking people? "hey dumba** you meant " too" as in also, not to as in "to" as in a destination".
 this also goes for the people who insist on proving to the world they graduated from college. six paragraphs on string theory when nobody asked. it's not going to make cutting that check for the student loan anymore worthwhile
 
2013-04-09 06:17:42 PM  

pedobearapproved: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

missmeyet.jpg


I don't think the North Koreans are aiming for Berlin, which is the only thing that would make that article relevant.
 
2013-04-09 06:18:06 PM  

meanmutton: Unoriginal_Username: Infernalist: EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?

To be fair, those RREs are way way way out of reach right now.  NK mines only operate at about 30% capacity out of safety concerns.  They're obscenely outdated and in need of serious repair.  To get at those RREs in any real capacity would take a massive overhaul of existing infrastructure and modernization of their mining equipment.

A serious serious investment that would only pay off in a decade or so, if that.

So the next war will be over rocks instead of oil.

/I guess this is the logical option. First it was religion, now it's resources.

If it's resources, why did we forget to loot Iraq for oil before we left?


Phil Carrol was the Oil Czar assigned by Bush to privatize Iraqi oil.  He did an end-around on Bush Co and helped Iraq nationalise their oil instead.

Bush Co had to settle for US treaure blown on building Iraqi infrastructure crony capitalism projects.  Money well spent, eh?
 
2013-04-09 06:18:10 PM  

ChipNASA: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x274]


OK that's my new favorite picture about NC.
 
2013-04-09 06:18:40 PM  
It's just a little after 7 am in BK.  does anyone know if they have a preffered time for thier missal tests?
 
2013-04-09 06:20:48 PM  

namegoeshere: farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 590x393]

[bright green camo in brown field]

Somebody might want to let those guys know we can totally see them.


and tell them to open their eyes when they aim
 
2013-04-09 06:21:09 PM  

joylessFark: It's just a little after 7 am in BK.  does anyone know if they have a preffered time for thier missal tests?


You know, I realy like the idea of calling their noDong's Miss-all's
 
2013-04-09 06:21:19 PM  

JustGetItRight: Oh, and the 'their artillery would level Seoul' rumor's been debunked repeatedly in every NK thread over the last few years.  Most of their tubes don't have the range to hit anything other than the suburbs and those that do won't fire nearly enough rounds to do massive damage before being destroyed by US/RoK air strikes.


It never ceases to amaze me that that is the ONE bit of NK propaganda that a majority of westerners seem to believe without question.  People just seem to vastly overestimate NK's artillery capabilities.
 
2013-04-09 06:24:08 PM  
Tests were on a wednesday and a tuesday, I think
 
2013-04-09 06:25:07 PM  

namegoeshere: farkingismybusiness: [i.imgur.com image 590x393]

[bright green camo in brown field]

Somebody might want to let those guys know we can totally see them.


Peopleofearth...shhhh!.jpg
 
2013-04-09 06:25:28 PM  
LazerFish:

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]
I found a map from the future


llabmik.net
 
2013-04-09 06:26:02 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: It never ceases to amaze me that that is the ONE bit of NK propaganda that a majority of westerners seem to believe without question.  People just seem to vastly overestimate NK's artillery capabilities.


Don't stop them. It's amusing to watch people piss their pants over these people, just like it is when they make comparisons between the Pax Communista philosophies that drove the 1950s geopolitics and today.

They also seem to vastly underestimate both the US and South Korean ability to counter-battery.
 
2013-04-09 06:26:13 PM  

one-in-the-chamber: I have a question which has nothing to do with the thread. how many people visit the comment section of fark with absolutely nothing witty or thought provoking. but feel like they contribute, and can feel superior by grammer checking people? "hey dumba** you meant " too" as in also, not to as in "to" as in a destination".
 this also goes for the people who insist on proving to the world they graduated from college. six paragraphs on string theory when nobody asked. it's not going to make cutting that check for the student loan anymore worthwhile


I predict a reasonable response to your valid complaint.

Just kidding - you're going to get ripped to pieces!
 
2013-04-09 06:26:15 PM  

hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...


Errr...... ummmmmmmm.....  That's generally not the end result for 3rd world genocidal dictators who start wars.

/SH would like a word.
 
2013-04-09 06:26:41 PM  
Didn't a previous President justify an invasion based on the 'potential threat' or 'destabilizing element' in Iraq?

Why doesn't the current President respond to NK with the same justifications?
 
2013-04-09 06:27:09 PM  

21-7-b: Tests were on a wednesday and a tuesday, I think


It took me a minute, but I see what you totally did there.

images.yourdictionary.com
 
2013-04-09 06:27:58 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: whistleridge: Parallax: whistleridge: Killer Cars: whistleridge: Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.

Okay, now I'm very intrigued.

In other news, even some original spellings of the words that rhyme with 'wurst host' get filtered :p

I'm sorry, I just had to check out your profile, figuring you'd have only been a member for a few months; a year tops.  <b>YOU'VE BEEN HERE NINE YEARS</b>, and it took you this long to find the shplurst shplost filter?!  That's... that's just... outstanding!

/sigh, I remember my first blurbst blosht.

Oh, man, you have no idea. I knew about the 1st cereal maker filter in some ways, but I didn't realize that spelling it:

'a-a-a-a-a a-a-a-a' would trigger the filter or 'aaaaaaaaa'. Hence the unintentional hilarity.

Do you know what a Reg-Ex is?


Yeah, yeah, yeah...I know better. Worse, I've been around long enough to DAMN WELL know better. Oh well. At least you got a good laugh at my expense.
 
2013-04-09 06:29:14 PM  
        i812.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-09 06:29:19 PM  

Githerax: Didn't a previous President justify an invasion based on the 'potential threat' or 'destabilizing element' in Iraq?

Why doesn't the current President respond to NK with the same justifications?


Six hundred million screamin' Chinamen.
 
2013-04-09 06:32:10 PM  

Mojongo: [i812.photobucket.com image 620x340]


The one in the 2nd row, 2nd column is slacking off. Shoot her, her family and go dig up her ancestors and shoot them too.
 
2013-04-09 06:33:25 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Six hundred million screamin' Chinamen.


Well, they're more like 60 million Chinamen after Putin got done with them.

daily.greencine.com
 
2013-04-09 06:34:11 PM  

UnspokenVoice: Satanic_Hamster: Gosling: We could take them with 12 totally tricked-out party buses and 13 of the baddest cars from classic movies.

Better yet; let's just bring out Korean war era equipment and make it a fair fight.  I vote for the Ontos.

[www.battletanks.com image 568x400]

Wow. You know what an Ontos is? LOL My father drove one in Korea.


Your dad was doubtless stationed in Korea, but he probably didn't drive it during the war itself.

Yes, it was designed in 1952, but not deployed until 1956.

It did excellent service in Viet Nam, though as a close fire support platform, not a tank hunter.

Definitely the most distinctive looking AFV ever fielded, though.
 
2013-04-09 06:35:05 PM  

whistleridge: Uchiha_Cycliste: whistleridge: Parallax: whistleridge: Killer Cars: whistleridge: Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.

Okay, now I'm very intrigued.

In other news, even some original spellings of the words that rhyme with 'wurst host' get filtered :p

I'm sorry, I just had to check out your profile, figuring you'd have only been a member for a few months; a year tops.  <b>YOU'VE BEEN HERE NINE YEARS</b>, and it took you this long to find the shplurst shplost filter?!  That's... that's just... outstanding!

/sigh, I remember my first blurbst blosht.

Oh, man, you have no idea. I knew about the 1st cereal maker filter in some ways, but I didn't realize that spelling it:

'a-a-a-a-a a-a-a-a' would trigger the filter or 'aaaaaaaaa'. Hence the unintentional hilarity.

Do you know what a Reg-Ex is?

Yeah, yeah, yeah...I know better. Worse, I've been around long enough to DAMN WELL know better. Oh well. At least you got a good laugh at my expense.


Well, there was a chance you didn't know (or more likely `hadn't thought about how the filter probably worked, and I nudged you in that direction) but I doubted it since you had a fair idea of the value of engineers over IP.
 
2013-04-09 06:35:28 PM  

torusXL: Loose_Cannon: If there isn't a small group of resisters to the madness of North Korea, then they don't deserve to survive.God help me, but I just don't believe the destruction of NK, and all it's people, would be a bad idea.Many are praying for death, and those who aren't deserve it.

You should be ashamed at your mind-bending arrogance.Have you ever been tortured by years of no food? Not just years, but even your parent's generation dealing with starvation? Had your mind warped by propaganda from the day you were born? If so, I don't think you'd be nearly as tough as you pretend.

What if in the future, it becomes a fact that 1st World industries have obliterated the environment past no return, and people living in the dominant country call for the destruction of yours with no mercy because "God help me, since there wasn't a small group of resisters to the madness of the 21st century, they all deserve to die."?


See, that's the POINT! I wouldn't wish that on my children's children!

Have *YOU* lived under torture for years and years?? Would you want your grandchildren living like that?

Think of it as euthanasia, if it makes you feel better.
 
2013-04-09 06:36:12 PM  

ChipNASA: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x274]


I will never stop laughing at this.
 
2013-04-09 06:36:57 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Errr...... ummmmmmmm.....  That's generally not the end result for 3rd world genocidal dictators who start wars.

/SH would like a word.


It is for a lot of them - France is full of the bastards.
 
2013-04-09 06:37:45 PM  
h April was gramps' birthday (last year was the hundreth anniversary), so is the biggest day of the year, an enforced 'holiday,' and the anniversary of fat boy's first televised speech
 
2013-04-09 06:37:46 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.


I'm constantly amazed at the sociopathic self-centeredness of Fark's lefties. So you would trade the lives of 20+ million people for a nice pad in Hawaii?


AdolfOliverPanties: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.  They can't grow anything.  They can't produce anything but weapons.  Sadly, they are very good at that.  We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.



Idiot answering an idiot.

I'm also constantly amazed at the profound ignorance of Fark's lefties.

God help the world if you morons ever run things.
 
2013-04-09 06:38:49 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I'm constantly amazed at the sociopathic self-centeredness of Fark's lefties. So you would trade the lives of 20+ million people for a nice pad in Hawaii?


HELL TO THE YES I WOULD!

Have you see the real estate prices in Hawaii, son?
 
2013-04-09 06:39:54 PM  

hardinparamedic: 21-7-b: Tests were on a wednesday and a tuesday, I think

It took me a minute, but I see what you totally did there.

[images.yourdictionary.com image 504x527]


Fun fact: Tigger's mother doesn't believe in the International Date Line. Seriously.

She cant' really articulate it but she will always defer to "I'm not really sure I believe in it - doesn't seem right"

For context she has a masters from LSE......
 
2013-04-09 06:39:55 PM  

Rembrant_Q_Einstein: LoneCoon: You know, the third week of April is the worst week on the calender. Hitler's birthday, Columbine, WTC bombing, Oklahoma City, BP oil spill started, Waco. Now we're looking at a full scale war by then. Makes me want to hide the whole week.

You never heard of the Ides of March.? You are supposed to beware them.


I blame climate change. The whole calendar is a mess nowadays.
 
2013-04-09 06:40:34 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Gosling: We could take them with 12 totally tricked-out party buses and 13 of the baddest cars from classic movies.

Better yet; let's just bring out Korean war era equipment and make it a fair fight.  I vote for the Ontos.

[www.battletanks.com image 568x400]


Lighten up kim chong potato or we'll use this on you.
www.outsideourbubble.com
 
2013-04-09 06:42:06 PM  

UnspokenVoice: dk47: fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

We have 15 Aegis Destroyers off their coast.  Whatever they shoot will barely make it out of their airspace.

And can we please forget the old "Seoul will get seriously farked up" storyline?  No, no chance.

Correct me if I'm mistaken but I don't think we can reliably shoot down artillery shells which is the main danger for Seoul. The rockets, which we can sometimes shoot down, are for more distant targets while Seoul is "nicely" within artillery range.



MTHEL - Mobile Tactical High Energy Laser, tested and developed by Israel alongside Northrop Grumman. In testing it shot down 28 incoming Katyusha artillery rockets; shot and destroyed artillery rounds in fligght and blowed up multiple in-flight mortars. Singles and salvos.


Reportedly discontinued (wink wink). But seriously, folks, Best Korea .... are they really ignorant of the history of RoKs when RoKs get their killing blood riled up?  With the most advanced weaponry?


I say whatever this is taking up column inches is ... is on purpose for a much much larger scam going on that the hive of Evil, Washington DC, wants our attention deflected from. Whenever so much attention is focused in one area. look around on the other side of the world.
 
2013-04-09 06:42:20 PM  
Should have read: 15th April
 
2013-04-09 06:44:37 PM  

Infernalist: Whatever's going on in NK, it's managed to put China on the same side as Japan.


Its not whats happening in NK, its whats happening in $China$.
 
2013-04-09 06:50:24 PM  

ox45tallboy: akula: NK has less ability to harm the US directly than Luxembourg current possesses.

I understand your analogy, but I disagree with it.

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As you can see here, the US has more than 60,000 troops stationed between Japan and South Korea, all within easy reach of weapons that South Korea possesses and we are reasonably certain are accurate enough to hit a stationary target. This does not include all of the warships and the personnel on board stationed in the region.

Luxembourg could theoretically hit the 60,000+ troops we have stationed between Germany and the UK with equivalent weapons; however, they really don't possess much of a military, much less any offensive missile capability. Therefore, North Korea has the potential to do more damage than Luxembourg.


You look at that chart and think, "Yeah, we got it covered."

Li'l Kim looks at that chart and thinks, "Hah--stupid Americans with their army stretched all across the globe.  How do they expect to beat us when their government is already bankrupt?"
 
2013-04-09 06:50:45 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

I'm constantly amazed at the sociopathic self-centeredness of Fark's lefties. So you would trade the lives of 20+ million people for a nice pad in Hawaii?


AdolfOliverPanties: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.  They can't grow anything.  They can't produce anything but weapons.  Sadly, they are very good at that.  We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.


Idiot answering an idiot.

I'm also constantly amazed at the profound ignorance of Fark's lefties.

God help the world if you morons ever run things.


I'm constantly amazed at people who are hard right being so quick to attack statements that are obviously parody, satire and hyperbole. Oh wait, no I'm not. There's three types of hard right people on FARK. Idiots, trolls, and idiots who are trolls.
 
2013-04-09 06:50:52 PM  
Last year there was a missile launch a couple of days before the celebration
 
2013-04-09 06:54:00 PM  

21-7-b: Last year there was a missile launch a couple of days before the celebration


Gonna find my baby, gonna hold her tight
gonna grab some afternoon delight.
My motto's always been; when it's right, it's right.
Why wait until the middle of a cold dark night.
When everything's a little clearer in the light of day.
And you know the night is always gonna be there any way.

Sky rockets in flight. Afternoon delight. Afternoon delight.

Thinkin' of you's workin' up my appetite
looking forward to a little afternoon delight.
Rubbin' sticks and stones together makes the sparks ingite
and the thought of rubbin' you is getting so exciting.

Sky rockets in flight. Afternoon delight. Afternoon delight.

Started out this morning feeling so polite
I always though a fish could not be caught who wouldn't bite
But you've got some bait a waitin' and I think I might try nibbling
a little afternoon delight.

Sky rockets in flight. Afternoon delight. Afternoon delight.

Please be waiting for me baby when I come around.
We could make a lot of lovin' 'for the sun goes down.

Sky rockets in flight. Afternoon delight. Afternoon delight.
 
2013-04-09 06:58:37 PM  

lepton68: Wouldn't it be much easier to get the nuke closer to the USA and launch it from there? Hide it in a boat and sail toward our coast. Or probably easier, take the bomb, smuggle it into Canada then into the US and pick whatever city you want to destroy. Not trivial but easier than designing a very long range missile..


Here is why you can sleep tight knowing that it will never happen.
Nukes tend to give out a bit of radiation.  Ok scratch that, a farkTON of radiation.  Not even lethal levels necessarily but for geiger counters and other detecters a nuke is a giant glowing beacon saying "LOOK HERE!".  Want to know how sensitive the detecters are along the borders?  If you get radiation treatment, they have to give you a special card to show at the border when you inevitably get pulled over because all the detecters light up when you get within blocks of them.  They aren't just detecting radiation at the checkpoints, hell they arent just detecting radiation at the borders.  If a dirty bomb could have been snuck into the country, they would already have lit one off.

A whole world full of crap to worry about, somebody sneaking in a nuke does not belong on that list however.
 
2013-04-09 07:01:34 PM  
All this tension, we need something to dance to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwoSFQb5HVk
 
2013-04-09 07:01:44 PM  

hardinparamedic: Psylence: Having watched both series (fine, all 6) I can say that Robotech IS better. Whoever stitched those 3 together for America did a fantastic job. (Carl Macek?)
Macross 2 sucked.

You're the worst monster ever for saying that. Worse than Hitler. Robotech is a disgusting abomination that should have suffered a late term, partial birth abortion.

Macross 2 isn't even considered canon by either Robotech or Macross.

The Macross Saga is where it's at: Macross, Macross:DYRL, Macross 2012, Macross Plus, Macross 7, Macross Frontier.

Yeah, there were some video games that filled in the time gap, Like M3, but generally better than anything Golden Harmony could have ever put out.

/plus, those bastards killed Battletech.


Don't get me started on Battletech or you'll have to hear about how I decap'd a mech with a Savannah Master.

And yeah, the loss of those classic chassis was awful :(
 
2013-04-09 07:07:58 PM  

dk47: And can we please forget the old "Seoul will get seriously farked up" storyline? No, no chance.


Well, now that you have spoken, sure! The rest of the world is probably just wrong.
 
2013-04-09 07:08:35 PM  

pedobearapproved: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

missmeyet.jpg


dtdstudios.com
 
2013-04-09 07:08:35 PM  

whistleridge: Why We Will Not Go To War With North Korea:

1. A tank gets 0.6 miles per gallon
2. North Korea produces 0.0 billion barrels of oil per day
3. China exports  8,432 bbl/day to North Korea
4. Seoul alone has a population of 10,000,000+ people
5. North Korea has approximately 5,000 tanks, more than half of which are absurdly outdated
6. Even without South Korean resistance, they would need all of those tanks AND about 1,000,000 supporting men, trucks, etc to take and hold Seoul
7. Which they would need lots and lots and LOTS of fuel for
8. Which they won't get without Chinese support

Also: 

1. North Korean nuclear weapons are smaller than the Hiroshima bomb
2. North Korea's sole nuclear plant only puts out enough material to make about one bomb per year
3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all
4. North Korea has only conducted 7 missile tests, 2 of which were long range and one of which failed

To sum up: they probably can't shoot us at all. Even if everything goes perfectly and won't shoot it down and the missile lands on target AND the bomb goes off...it will probably be less than 1/2 the yield of the Hiroshima bomb. For which we would immediately turn their whole country into a self-illuminating glass parking lot. Or invade, burn their palace down around their ears, and hang every man we found. Either way, it would be the total destruction of both their regime and their state, in return for...not all that much. 

A more scary scenario involves a launch at Seoul or Tokyo, but even that would get instant condemnation and destruction. Hell...China would HELP us dismantle them at that point.

The only scenario where this possibly leads to war in one in which they somehow get Chinese backing, then use those nukes to blast a couple of big-ass holes through the DMZ and roll south with everything they have. They would do a LOT of damage. Seoul would be wrecked, central South Korea would be a mess, and it would take some pretty sharp action to stop them. But it would happen. It would be the Korean War all over again, with the same result: unless China or Russia intervenes on behalf of North Korea, they cease to exist. 

North Korea is all kinds of crazy, but suicidal they aren't. Even if they actually believe their own propaganda vis-a-vis the US, they're quite realistic when it comes to China. They know they have an icicle's chance in Hell of taking them, and they have even less chance than that of surviving very long without their backing.

In summary: short of suicide, there will be no war, at least not started by North Korea. This current brinksmanship is happening for internal political reasons in North Korea, and will blow over eventually.


A bomb smaller than Little Boy would still decimate a city, moran.
 
2013-04-09 07:11:31 PM  

WhyteRaven74: All this tension, we need something to dance to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwoSFQb5HVk


If there's one thing to Best Korea's credit, is that they indirectly introduced me to the funky stylings of Jimmy 'Bo' Horne.
 
2013-04-09 07:14:16 PM  

Gilligann: NK is the biggest attention whore.

If they were doing this for anything other than attention, they would have done it by now. If you're going to do it, then just do it. What's the point of telling everyone every little thing you're going to do?


Why does any wanna-be supervillain monologue, really?
 
2013-04-09 07:18:48 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: is that they indirectly introduced me to the funky stylings of Jimmy 'Bo' Horne.


see, the situation isn't all bad
 
2013-04-09 07:19:02 PM  

foo monkey: A bomb smaller than Little Boy would still decimate a city, moran.


Uh, you shouldn't be too sure of that. A bomb like little boy would not do too much damage to a city with modern construction involving concrete and steel. One of the main reasons it did SO MUCH damage when dropped on Nagasaki was that the city was literally made of wood and rice paper.

There's a reason no one uses single, big bombs anymore. MIRVs and multiple weapons with overlapping detonation patterns to create consecutive overpressure waves and firestorms are where it's at now.
 
2013-04-09 07:23:36 PM  

Evil High Priest: Well, now that you have spoken, sure! The rest of the world is probably just wrong.


Here is a comprehensive breakdown of what we know the Norks have. The idea that Seoul is going to be leveled by artillery fire doesn't hold up in light of this.

Here is the tl;dr version showing range fans and weapons placement.
 
2013-04-09 07:26:36 PM  
farm4.staticflickr.com

What the North Korean space program looks like.
Children's Palace Pyongyang
 
2013-04-09 07:26:37 PM  

whistleridge: Why We Will Not Go To War With North Korea:

1. A tank gets 0.6 miles per gallon
2. North Korea produces 0.0 billion barrels of oil per day
3. China exports  8,432 bbl/day to North Korea


I can't say its too far fetched that the NKPA has squirrled a good chunk of that away for a rainy day invasion. Oil is important, but their best military minds likely have it all planned out on how they can re-take the peninsula and overrun the imperialist oil supplies.

Yes, I know its far-fetched, much like, say, sending the bulk of Fourth Panzer Army off to the Caucasus to grab Stalin's oil supplies.

To sum up: they probably can't shoot us at all. Even if everything goes perfectly and won't shoot it down and the missile lands on target AND the bomb goes off...it will probably be less than 1/2 the yield of the Hiroshima bomb. For which we would immediately turn their whole country into a self-illuminating glass parking lot. Or invade, burn their palace down around their ears, and hang every man we found. Either way, it would be the total destruction of both their regime and their state, in return for...not all that much.

And if every nation thought rationally before going to war, there would be a whole heck of a lot more humans on this dirtball. Bush, Cheney, and Blair don't try occupying Iraq on the cheap. Saddam doesn't invade Kuwait. Japan doesn't bomb Pearl Harbor. Hitler doesn't invade Russia. Austria-Hungary doesn't declare war on Serbia.

It makes all the sense in the world for Best Korea not to start a war. However, the only way out of this crisis is by halting their nuclear weapons program. They pushed their luck again thinking that China would have their back and Worst Korea and Japan would panic and tell America to back off. Almost the exact opposite has happened. If they back down now, what happens in the barracks of Pyongyang and across the starving fields of the north?
 
2013-04-09 07:26:47 PM  
It's almost 8:30 am there...I want to see the Drudge siren, damn it!
 
2013-04-09 07:32:14 PM  

one-in-the-chamber: I have a question which has nothing to do with the thread. how many people visit the comment section of fark with absolutely nothing witty or thought provoking. but feel like they contribute, and can feel superior by grammer checking people? "hey dumba** you meant " too" as in also, not to as in "to" as in a destination".
 this also goes for the people who insist on proving to the world they graduated from college. six paragraphs on string theory when nobody asked. it's not going to make cutting that check for the student loan anymore worthwhile


Bravo, It could have not been said better. /its really about time that idea gets hammered home.
 
2013-04-09 07:32:57 PM  

scubamage: Not to be confused with ddong, which means poop. Which Koreans love for some reason.


cdn.acidcow.comwww.seanbaby.comwww.destructoid.com

/Despite using the word "spanking" in the description, the protruding finger on the "controller" tells the real story
 
2013-04-09 07:33:09 PM  

foo monkey: decimate


That's not too bad..
 
2013-04-09 07:35:38 PM  

crypticsatellite: Here's something fun to ponder:

http://intellihub.com/2013/04/08/secret-transmission-detected-from-n or th-korea/


Not good.
 
2013-04-09 07:49:30 PM  

UnspokenVoice: dk47: fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

We have 15 Aegis Destroyers off their coast.  Whatever they shoot will barely make it out of their airspace.

And can we please forget the old "Seoul will get seriously farked up" storyline?  No, no chance.

Correct me if I'm mistaken but I don't think we can reliably shoot down artillery shells which is the main danger for Seoul. The rockets, which we can sometimes shoot down, are for more distant targets while Seoul is "nicely" within artillery range.


Much of that artillery is from the 40s and 50s. Ditto the shells, with some from the 60s. Chances of duds and breech fires will be high. Hell, some of the ammo may be so unstable it will detonate when being handled.  Finally, if the artillery starts up there will be a constant steady attrition of them from our side. All that being said, I am sure that there would be much destruction in Seoul.
 
2013-04-09 07:57:07 PM  

assalon5: one-in-the-chamber: I have a question which has nothing to do with the thread.   How many people visit the comment section of Fark with absolutely nothing witty or thought provoking to saybut feel like they can contribute and feel superior by grammar checking people?

"Hey dumba**, you meant "too" as in "also" not "too" as in "to" as in a destination.

This also goes for the people who insist on proving to the world they graduated from college writing six paragraphs on string theory when nobody asked.   It's not going to make cutting that check for the student loan anymore worthwhile.

Bravo, It could have not been said better. /its really about time that idea gets hammered home.


Actually it could have been, there was a lot wrong with his post.  I took the liberty of fixing it, but it wasn't easy given what I had to work with.

/pet peave
 
2013-04-09 07:57:47 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Much of that artillery is from the 40s and 50s. Ditto the shells, with some from the 60s. Chances of duds and breech fires will be high. Hell, some of the ammo may be so unstable it will detonate when being handled. Finally, if the artillery starts up there will be a constant steady attrition of them from our side. All that being said, I am sure that there would be much destruction in Seoul.


The link that I gave above estimates ~30k civilian deaths total if the DPRK ignores military targets and concentrates all of it's artillery on Seoul instead. Most of that in the first three hours or so. Not good of course but not as bad as a "Sea of fire" either considering that that's a small percentage of the total population there.
 
2013-04-09 08:01:52 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.

Read up on japanese history. Sure theyve been timid since ww2. But feel free to poke that tifer with a stick.
Ever hear of the rape of nanking. Best korea goes picking that fight and I wouldnt be surprised to hear of the rape of pyongyang.

dont fark with those people. Even a rabid wolverine is harmless when sleeping. You poke it with a stick your taking your chances


Here's the thing about Japan. The culture and the people were molded by 600 virtually continuous years of warfare between various warlords. The peasants survived only by the grace and sufferance of the Samurai and the nobility, and obedience to people with weapons became the cultural norm. Think about that for a minute. 600 years.

Would it really be possible for one defeat in a world war and two small nukes to snuff that heritage out?

NK better watch it's ass.
 
2013-04-09 08:04:03 PM  

Killer Cars: Any possible outcome should be considered on the table, even a Jim Jones-esque "welp, I've managed to kill a congressman, we're farked now. Here kids, drink this".



What else did you think tomorrow was gonna be?  Krazy Koolaid for Kim's Korean Komrades!
 
2013-04-09 08:04:09 PM  

whistleridge: ThatGuyGreg: whistleridge: 3.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.


Eh. Not everything revolves around Palo Alto and San Jose. There are various other high speed research centers in Virginia, North Carolina, Texas...that will pick up the load to keep things running.  Lots of universities kicking out new geniuses too.
 
2013-04-09 08:04:45 PM  
The thing I don't get is that we only plan to shoot down the missile if it isn't headed to open water:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-north-korea-missile-us-in te rcept-20130409,0,5588979.story

I think we should shoot it down regardless of where it's pointed to send a message. Why let them get data from a test (that goes against the agreements the NorKs signed)?
 
2013-04-09 08:04:54 PM  

scubamage: I can't help but wonder if this is a feint to try and restructure their country by providing a media-friendly "blaze of glory" moment. Their officials know that with their current economy and standard of living, they aren't going to go anywhere but more downhill. Their isolationism has strangled them. Un is smart enough to know that he can't win and that their current system of government is unsustainable, but can't speak out because of the old guard in the military and older party members. So, he is driving their country into a battle they can't possibly win so their country is forcefully rebuilt and their people can thrive - the ones that live through it anyway.

Or, they have a dagger hidden at our back somewhere and we haven't figured out where. Those are the two scenarios I can think of.


Cyber attack and a high altitude EMP nuke? Maybe a couple of hundred English-speaking business-suited armed commandos landing in Seattle and disbursing throughout the country via bus and rail?
 
2013-04-09 08:09:25 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Would it really be possible for one defeat in a world war and two small nukes to snuff that heritage out?


It only takes one generation. Germany made the turnaround too. Spain did too after Franco.
 
2013-04-09 08:12:04 PM  
The constant dick waving is really getting old.  At this point, they're just AW themselves and have reached the point of being worth watching as much as the average AW.
 
2013-04-09 08:13:41 PM  

Madbassist1: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

I'm constantly amazed at the sociopathic self-centeredness of Fark's lefties. So you would trade the lives of 20+ million people for a nice pad in Hawaii?


AdolfOliverPanties: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.  They can't grow anything.  They can't produce anything but weapons.  Sadly, they are very good at that.  We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.


Idiot answering an idiot.

I'm also constantly amazed at the profound ignorance of Fark's lefties.

God help the world if you morons ever run things.

I'm constantly amazed at people who are hard right being so quick to attack statements that are obviously parody, satire and hyperbole. Oh wait, no I'm not. There's three types of hard right people on FARK. Idiots, trolls, and idiots who are trolls.


Ummmm...... you haven't been paying attention. (Hint: I'm not a right winger.)
 
2013-04-09 08:16:16 PM  
There is one thing I hope we do not hear coming from North Korea tomorrow...

"ooopps..."
 
2013-04-09 08:34:57 PM  
I'm getting kinda tired of reading these threads and articles. I wish they'd either do something or concede and shut up.

I know if they start a fight, it's gonna be bad. At this point, though, I just kinda wanna get it over with. Let's just deal with it and move on, so we can build a better world.
 
2013-04-09 08:38:06 PM  

nekom: Gosling: nekom: Very true. Though only the older generation remembers firsthand, but I can see why of all people in the world they might be especially worried about nukes.

The older generation remembers getting nuked by the US. They all remember the Fukushima incident.

Right, but they aren't exactly unique in that. The USSR and the USA have both had nuclear accidents of varying degrees of awfulness, but only Japan has ever actually been nuked.

Of course as an American who grew up at the tail end of the cold war, I still remember "duck and cover", it's a worldwide fear, but Japan certainly has a unique perspective on that.


Sadly our primary nuclear defense seems to be Cluck and Dither...
 
2013-04-09 08:39:16 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Iplaybass: Simple.

Wait until it's dark. Then bomb the living shiat out of anything in North Korea that has lights on. Problem solved. I don't think anyone would object.

[www.partners-in-prayer.org image 850x637]

Soooo basically bomb Pyongyang and only Pyongyang

/imokwiththis.jpg


You know, Best Korea would be a nice place to put an observatory.
 
2013-04-09 08:45:49 PM  
North Korea thinks it can take over the South in 3 days, look they made an action video about it!

Just look at those production values!

Notice how there is absolutely no one who is shooting back!

Enjoy the photoshops of their barren wasteland training superimposed over Seoul and US aircraft carriers!

First South Korea, then the WORLD!
 
2013-04-09 08:57:28 PM  
I am willing to help liberate a bunch of best Korean women; if it would help.
 
2013-04-09 09:05:25 PM  

WeenerGord: North Korea thinks it can take over the South in 3 days, look they made an action video about it!

Just look at those production values!

Notice how there is absolutely no one who is shooting back!

Enjoy the photoshops of their barren wasteland training superimposed over Seoul and US aircraft carriers!

First South Korea, then the WORLD!


Also on Stripes.com: The last US tanks leave Germany. Really? Wow. End of an era, and I almost missed it.
 
2013-04-09 09:16:36 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: scubamage: I can't help but wonder if this is a feint to try and restructure their country by providing a media-friendly "blaze of glory" moment. Their officials know that with their current economy and standard of living, they aren't going to go anywhere but more downhill. Their isolationism has strangled them. Un is smart enough to know that he can't win and that their current system of government is unsustainable, but can't speak out because of the old guard in the military and older party members. So, he is driving their country into a battle they can't possibly win so their country is forcefully rebuilt and their people can thrive - the ones that live through it anyway.

Or, they have a dagger hidden at our back somewhere and we haven't figured out where. Those are the two scenarios I can think of.

Cyber attack and a high altitude EMP nuke? Maybe a couple of hundred English-speaking business-suited armed commandos landing in Seattle and disbursing throughout the country via bus and rail?



The whole thing is ludicrous, but this is the part that really has me rolling.

It's fairly easy for SK to pick up infiltrators and spies, due to how badly out of date they're dressed and how they gawk and stare at the most mundane of things.  Like a grocery store.

So, the concept of English speaking NKorean commandos sneaking into America is enough to have me giggling like I'm high.
 
2013-04-09 09:31:12 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Madbassist1: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

I'm constantly amazed at the sociopathic self-centeredness of Fark's lefties. So you would trade the lives of 20+ million people for a nice pad in Hawaii?


AdolfOliverPanties: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.  They can't grow anything.  They can't produce anything but weapons.  Sadly, they are very good at that.  We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.


Idiot answering an idiot.

I'm also constantly amazed at the profound ignorance of Fark's lefties.

God help the world if you morons ever run things.

I'm constantly amazed at people who are hard right being so quick to attack statements that are obviously parody, satire and hyperbole. Oh wait, no I'm not. There's three types of hard right people on FARK. Idiots, trolls, and idiots who are trolls.

Ummmm...... you haven't been paying attention. (Hint: I'm not a right winger.)


well, everyone here thinks you are. So there's that.
 
2013-04-09 09:34:52 PM  

orclover: lepton68: Wouldn't it be much easier to get the nuke closer to the USA and launch it from there? Hide it in a boat and sail toward our coast. Or probably easier, take the bomb, smuggle it into Canada then into the US and pick whatever city you want to destroy. Not trivial but easier than designing a very long range missile..

Here is why you can sleep tight knowing that it will never happen.
Nukes tend to give out a bit of radiation.  Ok scratch that, a farkTON of radiation.  Not even lethal levels necessarily but for geiger counters and other detecters a nuke is a giant glowing beacon saying "LOOK HERE!".  Want to know how sensitive the detecters are along the borders?  If you get radiation treatment, they have to give you a special card to show at the border when you inevitably get pulled over because all the detecters light up when you get within blocks of them.  They aren't just detecting radiation at the checkpoints, hell they arent just detecting radiation at the borders.  If a dirty bomb could have been snuck into the country, they would already have lit one off.

A whole world full of crap to worry about, somebody sneaking in a nuke does not belong on that list however.


My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.
Water would block the radiation sensors (hell, they'd probably only need 2 atm.) and all they would have to do is not get spotted by our subs. Do it the same way that drug runners have recently been doing it to smuggle across our borders and then set it off Inside the San Francisco Bay near the surface. All the water that ends up falling would be intensely radioactive and would screw things up royally in the bay area.

Otherwise I agree with you, not feasible. Not to mention that all boat traffic leaving the Korean peninsula is probably being monitored by our Navy and satellites.
 
2013-04-09 09:47:38 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.


No. 6k (or more if they leave from the west coast of Best Korea) miles across the open ocean where the navy has SONAR arrays that cover pretty much every square mile means that they would be heard snorkeling long before they got here and either be sunk or turned back home after being forced to surface. The trip one way would also be more than 50 days in duration using their boats and those boats probably can't carry enough food and water to last that long. The Gulf of Mexico is not the Pacific.
 
2013-04-09 09:49:22 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.

No. 6k (or more if they leave from the west coast of Best Korea) miles across the open ocean where the navy has SONAR arrays that cover pretty much every square mile means that they would be heard snorkeling long before they got here and either be sunk or turned back home after being forced to surface. The trip one way would also be more than 50 days in duration using their boats and those boats probably can't carry enough food and water to last that long. The Gulf of Mexico is not the Pacific.


To say nothing of the fact that NK only has diesel subs.
 
2013-04-09 09:49:28 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.


And then what? Then, we oblueterate them. How does that pencil out for their side?
 
2013-04-09 09:50:06 PM  
I should add that Tokyo is a much more likely destination for a submarine planted weapon.
 
2013-04-09 09:51:38 PM  

PreMortem: fat boy: PreMortem: Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.

You know who else got shot down over the Sea of Japan?

[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 255x192]


awww, now Im sad...
 
2013-04-09 09:54:01 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Evil High Priest: Well, now that you have spoken, sure! The rest of the world is probably just wrong.

Here is a comprehensive breakdown of what we know the Norks have. The idea that Seoul is going to be leveled by artillery fire doesn't hold up in light of this.

Here is the tl;dr version showing range fans and weapons placement.


Thanks. So, according to this jpeg, they have nothing that could hit Seoul? My propaganda tuner must be broken.

Related question: Why do we assume that all of their hardware is 30-40 years old? Why wouldn't they have been buying relatively new goodies from China for the last few decades?
 
2013-04-09 09:56:28 PM  

Psylence: hardinparamedic: Psylence: Having watched both series (fine, all 6) I can say that Robotech IS better. Whoever stitched those 3 together for America did a fantastic job. (Carl Macek?)
Macross 2 sucked.

You're the worst monster ever for saying that. Worse than Hitler. Robotech is a disgusting abomination that should have suffered a late term, partial birth abortion.

Macross 2 isn't even considered canon by either Robotech or Macross.

The Macross Saga is where it's at: Macross, Macross:DYRL, Macross 2012, Macross Plus, Macross 7, Macross Frontier.

Yeah, there were some video games that filled in the time gap, Like M3, but generally better than anything Golden Harmony could have ever put out.

/plus, those bastards killed Battletech.

Don't get me started on Battletech or you'll have to hear about how I decap'd a mech with a Savannah Master.

And yeah, the loss of those classic chassis was awful :(


ghostlightning.files.wordpress.com
Macross DYRL tells robotech to suck it.

and dont get me started on robotech: the movie, that was a piece of shiat and an insult to megazone 23
 
2013-04-09 09:56:54 PM  

whistleridge: Killer Cars: whistleridge: Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.

Okay, now I'm very intrigued.

In other news, even some original spellings of the words that rhyme with 'wurst host' get filtered :p


you have to use F¦¦25+ p05+
 
2013-04-09 09:57:24 PM  

Evil High Priest: Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.

And then what? Then, we oblueterate them. How does that pencil out for their side?


That's clear in this scenario. I was just trying to expose  a route I hadn't seen mentioned yet. Though apparently, for the reasons mentioned up thread a little, it's not feasible either.
 
2013-04-09 09:58:13 PM  

fireclown: Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean? Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?


I don't know but I get very inappropriate giggles when I see the names of dong class missiles. And I wish the general media would use the nomenclature more often.

"Today North Korea erected two Dongs on the eastern coast..."

"The Dong Missiles are fueled and ready to go. But where?"

"North Korea attempted to launch one of it's Dongs today over the Sea of Japan but it was quickly shot down and turned into a hentai special."
 
2013-04-09 09:59:59 PM  
This is all nonsense.  The US military has had a 1875 gigawatt laser, powered by a small nuclear reactor NASA was originally going to use to study Phobos, stuck inside the ESPN satellite since 2004.  As long as that missile is stuck on the launchpad out in the open for more than 4 minutes, it's just going to explode on the launch pad.  Best Koreans won't know what happened, and you all will have to do without the sports channel for a short period of time.
 
2013-04-09 10:01:16 PM  

Infernalist: To say nothing of the fact that NK only has diesel subs.


A Romeo (which they do have several of) is capable of making the trip (10k mile range IIRC) however they are some noisy farks when snorkeling (and we already know what to listen for, they are very old) which is why I said what I said. Their other boats aren't designed for blue water that I'm aware of and the Pacific is our playground. Nothing with a motor gets past the international dateline heading west that we don't at least take some small notice of outside of perhaps some of the newest Russian (nuclear) boats that are intentionally playing quiet (apparently they finally figured out how to make them quieter right as the Cold War ended).

Diesel electrics are great for coastal brown waters because they can take advantage of the inherently bad SONAR conditions found there but once they hit the open ocean they are our biatches should we decide to make them so.
 
2013-04-09 10:01:43 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.

No. 6k (or more if they leave from the west coast of Best Korea) miles across the open ocean where the navy has SONAR arrays that cover pretty much every square mile means that they would be heard snorkeling long before they got here and either be sunk or turned back home after being forced to surface. The trip one way would also be more than 50 days in duration using their boats and those boats probably can't carry enough food and water to last that long. The Gulf of Mexico is not the Pacific.


I hadn't considered the sonar. Sonar aside, if they modified their sub to be all battery except for the living space for 2 goons;  turn 90% of the space into big batteries and O2 tanks and hope they don't have to snorkel before the bay, is it still impossible?  I honestly don't know. IIRC Blind man's bluff said something like the subs can stay submerged for weeks or even months if necessary, right?
 
2013-04-09 10:04:35 PM  

Evil High Priest: Related question: Why do we assume that all of their hardware is 30-40 years old? Why wouldn't they have been buying relatively new goodies from China for the last few decades?


1. Well, we have these things called satellites.  They fly really high and take really good pictures.  We also have these things called radars, which let us know what's in the air up there.  When we've got no indications that they have any new modern weapons, it's pretty strong indication they don't have a lot of combat-ready advanced weapons systems.

2. China has been fed up with Best Korea's bullshiat for some time, and even if the PRC was feeling like selling them up-to-date weapons, Best Korea hasn't even had the money to buy food and fuel from anybody in almost 20 years, much less high-end weapons systems.

3. If the DPRK had advanced weapons, now would be the time to show them off, to let the world know they are a mighty threat and that they are serious.  It would let Kim Jong Donut show off to his people and show the might of Juche.  We fly B-2's and F-22's by there to show off what we can do.  What does NK do?  They show lots of soldiers marching in tight formation and Lil' Kim being lead around by Generals in big funny hats.
 
2013-04-09 10:05:42 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Infernalist: To say nothing of the fact that NK only has diesel subs.

A Romeo (which they do have several of) is capable of making the trip (10k mile range IIRC) however they are some noisy farks when snorkeling (and we already know what to listen for, they are very old) which is why I said what I said. Their other boats aren't designed for blue water that I'm aware of and the Pacific is our playground. Nothing with a motor gets past the international dateline heading west that we don't at least take some small notice of outside of perhaps some of the newest Russian (nuclear) boats that are intentionally playing quiet (apparently they finally figured out how to make them quieter right as the Cold War ended).

Diesel electrics are great for coastal brown waters because they can take advantage of the inherently bad SONAR conditions found there but once they hit the open ocean they are our biatches should we decide to make them so.


And none of this takes into consideration the sheer impossibility of NK shipping their only deterrent out of country on a suicide mission.

Creating fissionable material takes a 'long' time if you're NK, and they just tested a nuke not too many months ago.  Odds are, they don't even have a device capable at this time.
 
2013-04-09 10:09:05 PM  

Evil High Priest: Thanks. So, according to this jpeg, they have nothing that could hit Seoul? My propaganda tuner must be broken.


Meh. It happens. That was the common public view until a few years ago.

Related question: Why do we assume that all of their hardware is 30-40 years old? Why wouldn't they have been buying relatively new goodies from China for the last few decades?

If you read the link it goes into that. They might have some Chinese tech in their missiles and MRLS (the red range fans in the image that I linked to) but there's been no indication that they have done the same with their artillery, tanks or other tube based systems. It's hard to judge things when you are dealing with such a closed society, we had the same issue with the former USSR during the Cold War so we tended to over-estimate their capabilities when making plans just to be on the safe side.
 
2013-04-09 10:14:29 PM  
"You know damn well what I'm saying!"
 
2013-04-09 10:14:48 PM  

Cytokine Storm: assalon5: one-in-the-chamber: I have a question which has nothing to do with the thread.   How many people visit the comment section of Fark with absolutely nothing witty or thought provoking to saybut feel like they can contribute and feel superior by grammar checking people?

"Hey dumba**, you meant "too" as in "also" not "too" as in "to" as in a destination.

This also goes for the people who insist on proving to the world they graduated from college writing six paragraphs on string theory when nobody asked.   It's not going to make cutting that check for the student loan anymore worthwhile.

Bravo, It could have not been said better. /its really about time that idea gets hammered home.

Actually it could have been, there was a lot wrong with his post.  I took the liberty of fixing it, but it wasn't easy given what I had to work with.

/pet peave


9/10  Masterful use of subtlety.
 
2013-04-09 10:15:48 PM  

Silverstaff: Evil High Priest: Related question: Why do we assume that all of their hardware is 30-40 years old? Why wouldn't they have been buying relatively new goodies from China for the last few decades?

1. Well, we have these things called satellites.  They fly really high and take really good pictures.  We also have these things called radars, which let us know what's in the air up there.  When we've got no indications that they have any new modern weapons, it's pretty strong indication they don't have a lot of combat-ready advanced weapons systems.

2. China has been fed up with Best Korea's bullshiat for some time, and even if the PRC was feeling like selling them up-to-date weapons, Best Korea hasn't even had the money to buy food and fuel from anybody in almost 20 years, much less high-end weapons systems.

3. If the DPRK had advanced weapons, now would be the time to show them off, to let the world know they are a mighty threat and that they are serious.  It would let Kim Jong Donut show off to his people and show the might of Juche.  We fly B-2's and F-22's by there to show off what we can do.  What does NK do?  They show lots of soldiers marching in tight formation and Lil' Kim being lead around by Generals in big funny hats.


Heh, every time I see Juche I think of shin angyo onshi. Good read (read it Sunday)
 
2013-04-09 10:16:45 PM  

Lsherm: The US military has had a 1875 gigawatt laser


How many jigawatts?!

/Great Scott!
 
2013-04-09 10:17:21 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.

No. 6k (or more if they leave from the west coast of Best Korea) miles across the open ocean where the navy has SONAR arrays that cover pretty much every square mile means that they would be heard snorkeling long before they got here and either be sunk or turned back home after being forced to surface. The trip one way would also be more than 50 days in duration using their boats and those boats probably can't carry enough food and water to last that long. The Gulf of Mexico is not the Pacific.

I hadn't considered the sonar. Sonar aside, if they modified their sub to be all battery except for the living space for 2 goons;  turn 90% of the space into big batteries and O2 tanks and hope they don't have to snorkel before the bay, is it still impossible?  I honestly don't know. IIRC Blind man's bluff said something like the subs can stay submerged for weeks or even months if necessary, right?


Batteries are farking heavy. I mean really farking heavy. You can't simply add enough to make that much of a difference. Maybe... and I do mean maybe, you could double the batteries if you stripped out enough weight. and go 100 miles before snorkeling instead of 50 miles.

As far as staying submerged, if you read that book then you read in one of the first chapters where a US diesel boat was forced to surface by a Soviet ship in the western Pacific. That incident was one of the reasons why the USN went all nuclear submarines. Those (nuclear) boats can and do stay down for months at a time and can make their own O2 (at a tremendous cost in electricity, which they have an abundance of).
 
2013-04-09 10:20:03 PM  

Baby_Hole: "You know damn well what I'm saying!"


Is that a real movie?
I'd totally watch that!
 
2013-04-09 10:22:58 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Baby_Hole: "You know damn well what I'm saying!"

Is that a real movie?
I'd totally watch that!


History of the World Part I. Fake trailers, kinda like in the Grindhouse movies.
 
2013-04-09 10:27:58 PM  
Just Another OC Homeless Guy: ...Correct me if I'm mistaken but I don't think we can reliably shoot down artillery shells which is the main danger for Seoul. The rockets, which we can sometimes shoot down, are for more distant targets while Seoul is "nicely" within artillery range.

Much of that artillery is from the 40s and 50s. Ditto the shells, with some from the 60s. Chances of duds and breech fires will be high. Hell, some of the ammo may be so unstable it will detonate when being handled.  Finally, if the artillery starts up there will be a constant steady attrition of them from our side. All that being said, I am sure that there would be much destruction in Seoul.


So we have drones orbiting overhead.  Artillery officer Major Lee pulls the cord.  Shell goes boom.  Cannon goes boom and crews gets dead when the air-to-ground missile zeroes in on the cannon boom.
 
2013-04-09 10:28:25 PM  
Sheesh. This has happened before. This always happens. NK shoots one of its longer-range missiles out over the Pacific. It passes over Japan WAY too high for Patriot batteries to screw with it (that's a short-range, terminal-phase defensive weapon). American Aegis destroyers have the capability to take a shot at it with SM-3 missiles, but they hold off because it a) blows up during the boost phase or b) is headed harmlessly toward open ocean. Kim Jong Un drops the mike and is flabbergasted when this doesn't lead anyone to suggest decreasing UN sanctions against him.

North Korea has a very few, mostly unsuccessful long-range missiles. The one they claim could hit California is a projected supposed improvement to their best one, and doesn't exist yet. They don't have a nuke that they can put ON a missile, just low-powered test explosives that are far too large and cumbersome.

Tomorrow will pass, and nothing of significance will have happened.
 
2013-04-09 10:31:24 PM  
 
2013-04-09 10:31:35 PM  

perigee: pedobearapproved: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

missmeyet.jpg

You mean this one?
[www.q-bo.com image 414x269]

Yeah - If he were in office, he'd already be wearing a flight suit, with a banner saying "Mission Accomplished."

We need a keen tactical mind like that one...


At least President Bush was in a foreign place when that occurred, Obama was at HIS OWN HOME!

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-04-09 10:34:18 PM  

Silverstaff: Evil High Priest: Related question: Why do we assume that all of their hardware is 30-40 years old? Why wouldn't they have been buying relatively new goodies from China for the last few decades?

1. Well, we have these things called satellites.  They fly really high and take really good pictures.  We also have these things called radars, which let us know what's in the air up there.  When we've got no indications that they have any new modern weapons, it's pretty strong indication they don't have a lot of combat-ready advanced weapons systems.

2. China has been fed up with Best Korea's bullshiat for some time, and even if the PRC was feeling like selling them up-to-date weapons, Best Korea hasn't even had the money to buy food and fuel from anybody in almost 20 years, much less high-end weapons systems.

3. If the DPRK had advanced weapons, now would be the time to show them off, to let the world know they are a mighty threat and that they are serious.  It would let Kim Jong Donut show off to his people and show the might of Juche.  We fly B-2's and F-22's by there to show off what we can do.  What does NK do?  They show lots of soldiers marching in tight formation and Lil' Kim being lead around by Generals in big funny hats.


1. Yes, I have heard about such contraptions. I can only assume that they are capable of detecting artillery components inside train cars, yes? Do we have such good surveillance of the dmz that they could not install new goodies un-noticed? I suppose.

2. I thought weapons were just about the only thing they do spend money on. That, and Hennessy.

3. Okey doke, Pard.
 
2013-04-09 10:35:12 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.

No. 6k (or more if they leave from the west coast of Best Korea) miles across the open ocean where the navy has SONAR arrays that cover pretty much every square mile means that they would be heard snorkeling long before they got here and either be sunk or turned back home after being forced to surface. The trip one way would also be more than 50 days in duration using their boats and those boats probably can't carry enough food and water to last that long. The Gulf of Mexico is not the Pacific.

I hadn't considered the sonar. Sonar aside, if they modified their sub to be all battery except for the living space for 2 goons;  turn 90% of the space into big batteries and O2 tanks and hope they don't have to snorkel before the bay, is it still impossible?  I honestly don't know. IIRC Blind man's bluff said something like the subs can stay submerged for weeks or even months if necessary, right?

Batteries are farking heavy. I mean really farking heavy. You can't simply add enough to make that much of a difference. Maybe... and I do mean maybe, you could double the batteries if you stripped out enough weight. and go 100 miles before snorkeling instead of 50 miles.

As far as staying submerged, if you read that book then you read in one of the first chapters where a US diesel boat was forced to surface by a Soviet ship in the western Pacific. That incident was one of the reasons why the USN went all nuclear submarines. Those (nuclear) boats can and do stay down for months at a time and can make their own O2 (at a tremendous cost in electricity, which they have an abundance of).


I didn't know weight mattered that much when submerged, I figured that it wouldn't affect buoyancy and that once they got it moving it would only take so much energy to keep it going.   if weight does matter a lot then my idea is right out the window.  I was thinking that with a skeleton crew and lots of batteries they might be able to avoid snorkeling by virtue of having enough power and using up very little O2, but I'll happily default to your opinion on this.
BMB was a great book. My father used to work for a defense company and can't tell me anything about the work, but one day he handed me that book and dogeared one of the pages, telling me that it's an interesting book and that "one of the pages had been dog-eared *wink*" Very cool.
 
2013-04-09 10:36:24 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: Baby_Hole: "You know damn well what I'm saying!"

Is that a real movie?
I'd totally watch that!

History of the World Part I. Fake trailers, kinda like in the Grindhouse movies.


thanks.
I have been meaning to watch it for ages. Initially I was gonna rent it from BB, but waited until I could find part two. ... sigh. By the time I figured out that only part 1 existed my local BB was gone.
 
2013-04-09 10:36:48 PM  

dabbletech: [www.forte.jor.br image 543x471]

Is it really possible to excise California and leave the rest?

/go for it


I'm finding it funny that such a phallic object could be called "no dong 2"
 
2013-04-09 10:40:24 PM  

pedobearapproved: Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

missmeyet.jpg


Read your own link, genius. Obama's plan puts theater-level missile defense in place SOONER than Bush's plan to put missiles in Eastern Europe, and since it's largely ship-based, it can move to where the threat is. Like, I dunno, the Sea of Japan?
 
2013-04-09 10:41:46 PM  

texdent: Also shot down over the Sea of Japan
[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 255x192]


Too soon.

/well played
 
2013-04-09 10:42:33 PM  
OK, here's my read on the dealio:

Un is a reformer. The regime's usual pattern of oscillation between hand-extending and "bellicose rhetoric" is now occurring for somewhat unusual reasons: the "powers behind the throne" within the DPRK are trying to make Un as unpopular a figure internationally as his father was, and thereby set the tone of the relationship between North Korea and the world, assuring the regime's survival (so their reasoning goes). Un himself is a more-or-less reluctant figurehead, although he dare not let on to that.

I actually wish that Un could build a strong and independent power base of his own, so that he could purge the regime of disloyal factions trying to play him and his people as pawns in their own power games. He actually has the best interests of his people in mind, but right now he's more of a necessary evil for the real powers that be in North Korea than he is their leader. If he fails to do this, and fails to gain the trust of those disloyal, self-interested factions, he may well end up dead (blamed, of course, on Western assassins or some such).
 
2013-04-09 10:45:57 PM  
ABC news is reporting the NK missile is fueled and ready for raunch, and will be fired into the Pacific.

/lil Kim is a pussy
 
2013-04-09 10:48:06 PM  
Yes it's true. This man has No Dong.
 
2013-04-09 10:57:34 PM  
i1341.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-09 11:00:28 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: I didn't know weight mattered that much when submerged, I figured that it wouldn't affect buoyancy and that once they got it moving it would only take so much energy to keep it going. if weight does matter a lot then my idea is right out the window. I was thinking that with a skeleton crew and lots of batteries they might be able to avoid snorkeling by virtue of having enough power and using up very little O2, but I'll happily default to your opinion on this.
BMB was a great book. My father used to work for a defense company and can't tell me anything about the work, but one day he handed me that book and dogeared one of the pages, telling me that it's an interesting book and that "one of the pages had been dog-eared *wink*" Very cool.


Weight is all that matters when submerged, and i say that as someone who was qualified (provisionally) as a Chief of the Watch (the guy whose job it was to pump water around and out amongst other things). And not just weight but properly balanced weight. Down to a few hundred pounds when you are dead in the water and hovering. Speed is what makes that easier to control, faster means that you can use the hull as a plane and not have to worry so much about it. But you still want to be on top of it just in case something bad happens.

Submarines are unlike surface ships in that in a surface ship they start off with a rough plan when designing them. There is a lot of reserve buoyancy to play with as they go along and that means a lot of room to shift things around to balance them out. A submarine has to pretty much be completely designed and the weight distribution calculations made before a single hull section is formed. Lead ballasting can help to fine tune it (for example a regular 688 had about 100 tons of lead ballast in the front which is one of the reasons why the 688i could add vertical launch tubes later on and even then when on the surface they (the original 688's) have a noticeable upward pitch angle. That ate up almost all of the reserve buoyancy for that class which is one of the reasons why they had to build the Seawolf and Virgina classes).

That's why simply(?) adding batteries is a difficult task. Their extra weight not only needs to be compensated for but you also have to distribute that weight evenly before you add just one cell.

Fun story time. There is a ritual that new Diving Officers will face soon after they get qualified and stand the watch called a "Trim Party". A dozen or so guys (call it 160 lbs each) will tote a few TDU weights (about 12 lbs each) from the front to the back (and then back to the front) of the boat and get the Diving officer to order water being moved around. This messes with his head as he tries to figure out what is going on. The polite thing to do is after a few trips have the trim party walk through the control room at the end so he's in on it. The not so polite thing (for the less favored Diving Officers) to do is to simply disperse and leave him wondering what the hell just happened.
 
2013-04-09 11:03:25 PM  

Parallax: whistleridge: Killer Cars: whistleridge: Farking filter. I meant the Boobies that I made.

Okay, now I'm very intrigued.

In other news, even some original spellings of the words that rhyme with 'wurst host' get filtered :p

I'm sorry, I just had to check out your profile, figuring you'd have only been a member for a few months; a year tops.  <b>YOU'VE BEEN HERE NINE YEARS</b>, and it took you this long to find the shplurst shplost filter?!  That's... that's just... outstanding!

/sigh, I remember my first blurbst blosht.


You're both n0085
 
2013-04-09 11:03:27 PM  

mrexcess: OK, here's my read on the dealio:

Un is a reformer. The regime's usual pattern of oscillation between hand-extending and "bellicose rhetoric" is now occurring for somewhat unusual reasons: the "powers behind the throne" within the DPRK are trying to make Un as unpopular a figure internationally as his father was, and thereby set the tone of the relationship between North Korea and the world, assuring the regime's survival (so their reasoning goes). Un himself is a more-or-less reluctant figurehead, although he dare not let on to that.

I actually wish that Un could build a strong and independent power base of his own, so that he could purge the regime of disloyal factions trying to play him and his people as pawns in their own power games. He actually has the best interests of his people in mind, but right now he's more of a necessary evil for the real powers that be in North Korea than he is their leader. If he fails to do this, and fails to gain the trust of those disloyal, self-interested factions, he may well end up dead (blamed, of course, on Western assassins or some such).


He's a spoiled, fat 30-year-old legacy, son of a legacy. Chances of him doing anything right are not high.
 
2013-04-09 11:07:42 PM  

mbillips: He's a spoiled, fat 30-year-old legacy, son of a legacy. Chances of him doing anything right are not high.


He's the Dorfman of international politics.

www.gjsentinel.com

Someone oughta PS that hat onto Lil' Kim.
 
2013-04-09 11:13:34 PM  
And it looks like we have lift off.
 
2013-04-09 11:20:47 PM  
mbillips
He's a spoiled, fat 30-year-old legacy, son of a legacy. Chances of him doing anything right are not high.

Eh. To be honest I have a lot of sympathy for the dude. If there is one national leader who I would absolutely not want to change places with, its him. You see spoiled, I see relatively powerless young man growing up in the worst sort of gilded cage and now beset by the sort of dangerous and unrestrained palace intrigue that would give nightmares to a Medici.
 
2013-04-09 11:24:11 PM  
The funny part about The Kentucky Fried Movie is that there's a whole vignette about another reclusive despot, the much feared
DR KLAHN
my personal hero...
 
2013-04-09 11:28:55 PM  

mrexcess: Eh. To be honest I have a lot of sympathy for the dude.


Yeah... No. He didn't have to take those reigns of power. He could have walked into the nearest US embassy in Bern or wherever he was and quietly asked for asylum. He didn't. He's power addled and seems to think that he can get away with a lot of crap that he can't.

I may be wrong on some of that but he did have the chance to chuck it all and get out of the family business but he didn't take it. He chose power and (relative) riches over safety and not ruling one of the most despotic nations on earth. He made his own bed and now he lies in it.
 
2013-04-09 11:31:59 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.


I hafta say it again? THIS KIND OF ATTACK IS ALMOST FUTILE.

Go here: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html. Type in an address ("San Francisco, CA" or "Seoul" or Los Angeles") and a yield in kilotons ("7" = North Korea's latest test yield) and center the map as close as possible to the shore. Put it right up against ATT Park, even.

A few city blocks get vaporized. Many hundreds of thousands of windows shatter. And that's about it.

Try Tokyo - even more futile. A big bang, but a very big metropolis remains untouched. And now there are several hundred million very, very, very angry people with more firepower than God (at least as far as you're concerned, if you're Kim Jong Un)
 
2013-04-09 11:35:41 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: I didn't know weight mattered that much when submerged, I figured that it wouldn't affect buoyancy and that once they got it moving it would only take so much energy to keep it going. if weight does matter a lot then my idea is right out the window. I was thinking that with a skeleton crew and lots of batteries they might be able to avoid snorkeling by virtue of having enough power and using up very little O2, but I'll happily default to your opinion on this.
BMB was a great book. My father used to work for a defense company and can't tell me anything about the work, but one day he handed me that book and dogeared one of the pages, telling me that it's an interesting book and that "one of the pages had been dog-eared *wink*" Very cool.

Weight is all that matters when submerged, and i say that as someone who was qualified (provisionally) as a Chief of the Watch (the guy whose job it was to pump water around and out amongst other things). And not just weight but properly balanced weight. Down to a few hundred pounds when you are dead in the water and hovering. Speed is what makes that easier to control, faster means that you can use the hull as a plane and not have to worry so much about it. But you still want to be on top of it just in case something bad happens.

Submarines are unlike surface ships in that in a surface ship they start off with a rough plan when designing them. There is a lot of reserve buoyancy to play with as they go along and that means a lot of room to shift things around to balance them out. A submarine has to pretty much be completely designed and the weight distribution calculations made before a single hull section is formed. Lead ballasting can help to fine tune it (for example a regular 688 had about 100 tons of lead ballast in the front which is one of the reasons why the 688i could add vertical launch tubes later on and even then when on the surface they (the original 688's) have a noticeable upward pitch angle. That ate ...


Heh,,,
Also, thanks for the crash course in Subs. I just learned a lot that was no where mentioned in BMB. And, obviously, you just poked a bunch of holes in my already sinking vessel of an idea.

\Hooray for mixed metaphors!
 
2013-04-09 11:37:44 PM  

StopLurkListen: Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.

I hafta say it again? THIS KIND OF ATTACK IS ALMOST FUTILE.

Go here: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html. Type in an address ("San Francisco, CA" or "Seoul" or Los Angeles") and a yield in kilotons ("7" = North Korea's latest test yield) and center the map as close as possible to the shore. Put it right up against ATT Park, even.

A few city blocks get vaporized. Many hundreds of thousands of windows shatter. And that's about it.

Try Tokyo - even more futile. A big bang, but a very big metropolis remains untouched. And now there are several hundred million very, very, very angry people with more firepower than God (at least as far as you're concerned, if you're Kim Jong Un)


What I was considering was not the immediate damage from the blast but the long term consequences from the fallout and irradiated water. That big boom would throw many tons of instantly radioactive water into the air and all over the cities. It would screw things up pretty badly as we learned at Bikini Atol
 
2013-04-09 11:43:04 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: StopLurkListen: Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.

I hafta say it again? THIS KIND OF ATTACK IS ALMOST FUTILE.

Go here: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html. Type in an address ("San Francisco, CA" or "Seoul" or Los Angeles") and a yield in kilotons ("7" = North Korea's latest test yield) and center the map as close as possible to the shore. Put it right up against ATT Park, even.

A few city blocks get vaporized. Many hundreds of thousands of windows shatter. And that's about it.

Try Tokyo - even more futile. A big bang, but a very big metropolis remains untouched. And now there are several hundred million very, very, very angry people with more firepower than God (at least as far as you're concerned, if you're Kim Jong Un)

What I was considering was not the immediate damage from the blast but the long term consequences from the fallout and irradiated water. That big boom would throw many tons of instantly radioactive water into the air and all over the cities. It would screw things up pretty badly as we learned at Bikini Atol


Fair enough, but you only need a "dirty bomb" to do that. And you still have the problem of overwhelming retaliation.
 
2013-04-09 11:43:41 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Also, thanks for the crash course in Subs. I just learned a lot that was no where mentioned in BMB. And, obviously, you just poked a bunch of holes in my already sinking vessel of an idea.


NP. There is a lot of information on this kind of stuff out there if you're willing to look. If you want some of the more technical details then go read US Submarines through 1945 and US Submarines after 1945  (google Books links). They cover the issues quite well although the Google Books versions leave out some pages of course.
 
2013-04-09 11:46:43 PM  

Infernalist: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: scubamage: I can't help but wonder if this is a feint to try and restructure their country by providing a media-friendly "blaze of glory" moment. Their officials know that with their current economy and standard of living, they aren't going to go anywhere but more downhill. Their isolationism has strangled them. Un is smart enough to know that he can't win and that their current system of government is unsustainable, but can't speak out because of the old guard in the military and older party members. So, he is driving their country into a battle they can't possibly win so their country is forcefully rebuilt and their people can thrive - the ones that live through it anyway.

Or, they have a dagger hidden at our back somewhere and we haven't figured out where. Those are the two scenarios I can think of.

Cyber attack and a high altitude EMP nuke? Maybe a couple of hundred English-speaking business-suited armed commandos landing in Seattle and disbursing throughout the country via bus and rail?


The whole thing is ludicrous, but this is the part that really has me rolling.

It's fairly easy for SK to pick up infiltrators and spies, due to how badly out of date they're dressed and how they gawk and stare at the most mundane of things.  Like a grocery store.

So, the concept of English speaking NKorean commandos sneaking into America is enough to have me giggling like I'm high.


HA! You won't be laughing when the entire country is under marital law due to 300 NK snipers taking out random people and the police can't catch them 'cause none of the cars and computers are working.

Hey, it's a better plot than the 2nd Red Dawn!
 
2013-04-09 11:50:00 PM  
Radioactive Ass
Yeah... No. He didn't have to take those reigns of power. He could have walked into the nearest US embassy in Bern or wherever he was and quietly asked for asylum. He didn't. He's power addled and seems to think that he can get away with a lot of crap that he can't.

Really? The only explanation you can think of for why he didn't defect and run away to for the non-guaranteed chance of a life of ignominy in the States is because he's "power addled"? Come on. Put yourself in his shoes. If he didn't take the job, who was going to? What would that have meant for his countrymen? Bear in mind that not everyone has the individualistic, "fark all y'all I got mine" mindset of your typical American that might make such an option more appealing... even if in his heart of hearts he views his father as something of the monster that we do, the family name and legacy would not be such an easy thing to surrender. And bear in mind that he's lived his entire life under the dominating thumb of his fathers' regime, and probably had/has a different conception of its reach and power than we do.

I may be wrong on some of that but he did have the chance to chuck it all and get out of the family business but he didn't take it. He chose power and (relative) riches over safety and not ruling one of the most despotic nations on earth. He made his own bed and now he lies in it.

I think you're wrong. To the extent that he has any choice in matters at all, which is far less than I think we in the West tend to perceive it to be, he's been doing what he perceives as best for his people, his family name, and the safety of himself and his own wife and offspring. I hope, sooner rather than later, he gets a handle on how his figurehead status comes with some actual political power, so he can harness that power to purge the self-interested and manipulative warmongers who are trying to steer him towards their designs and instead finally set a rational course towards some actual prosperity for himself and his people.
 
2013-04-09 11:51:40 PM  

UnspokenVoice: JustGetItRight: UnspokenVoice: Correct me if I'm mistaken but I don't think we can reliably shoot down artillery shells which is the main danger for Seoul. The rockets, which we can sometimes shoot down, are for more distant targets while Seoul is "nicely" within artillery range

Actually, we can reliably shoot down artillery shells - just not on the scale needed to defend an entire city.

Centurion C-RAM

Oh, and the 'their artillery would level Seoul' rumor's been debunked repeatedly in every NK thread over the last few years.  Most of their tubes don't have the range to hit anything other than the suburbs and those that do won't fire nearly enough rounds to do massive damage before being destroyed by US/RoK air strikes.

Interesting and thanks. There was a dude on CNN earlier today who postulated that Seoul was destined to take a significant amount of damage (I think that's verbatim) if they launched their artillery. As he was an "expert" in the field I'll defer to him instead of it being "debunked in a Fark thread" however. No offense intended or anything and he may well be mistaken but he's the "expert."

(I treat science the same way, deferring to the quantum physicists instead of the guys in the Geek tab as being the more credible source.) There's every chance that they're wrong, I accept that, but I've heard enough of them repeat the same general thing so I'll go with them.

Sadly that leaves me with this:

Yeah, it seems we can shoot some down but not enough to make much of a difference and they're still screwed. I don't think anyone believes that they can turn Seoul into a "sea of fire" but they're still pretty well screwed with (again, going from memory) the 170mm artillery. While it's certainly not leveling the city (which wasn't something I was worried about) it is still potentially a lot of damage and death. IIRC the 170mm was capable of ~45 miles which means people are potentially dead and property damaged. I don't think anyone credible believed NK's ...


Feel free to go with them, but remember CNN's paying him to say something dramatic sounding.

Seoul proper sits out of range of pretty much everything but that 170mm gun - and even then it is a stretch.  They're certainly capable of hitting the city with rockets but witht the case of both guns and rockets there are several things to consider.

First is logistics.  The idea that Seoul could be hammered is based on the premise that these weapons are delivering sustained fire at or near their maximum capability.  First, that isn't going to happen because they can't maintain the ammuntion supply and the weapons or people will break down.

Second is survivability.  The more they fire, the more they expose their location.    Between air strikes and counterbattery fire, they'll die in a fast and furious fashion.

Third is actual destructive potential versus target size.  Seoul's something like 250 square miles and those shells aren't going to destroy much more than a single family dwelling with one hit.

No matter what some talking head says on CNN, they simply cannot do it with conventional weapons.  Here's someone that lays it out pretty well:  http://blog.keia.org/2013/02/north-koreas-conventional-weapons-threat /
 
2013-04-09 11:52:07 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Madbassist1: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

I'm constantly amazed at the sociopathic self-centeredness of Fark's lefties. So you would trade the lives of 20+ million people for a nice pad in Hawaii?


AdolfOliverPanties: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.  They can't grow anything.  They can't produce anything but weapons.  Sadly, they are very good at that.  We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.


Idiot answering an idiot.

I'm also constantly amazed at the profound ignorance of Fark's lefties.

God help the world if you morons ever run things.

I'm constantly amazed at people who are hard right being so quick to attack statements that are obviously parody, satire and hyperbole. Oh wait, no I'm not. There's three types of hard right people on FARK. Idiots, trolls, and idiots who are trolls.

Ummmm...... you haven't been paying attention. (Hint: I'm not a right winger.)

well, everyone here ....


(1) Sorry, I didn't realize you had taken a survey.

...thinks you are. So there's that.

(2) That actually says more about them (and their lack of ability for subtle thinking), than me.
 
2013-04-09 11:54:32 PM  

Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: Also, thanks for the crash course in Subs. I just learned a lot that was no where mentioned in BMB. And, obviously, you just poked a bunch of holes in my already sinking vessel of an idea.

NP. There is a lot of information on this kind of stuff out there if you're willing to look. If you want some of the more technical details then go read US Submarines through 1945 and US Submarines after 1945  (google Books links). They cover the issues quite well although the Google Books versions leave out some pages of course.


thanks for the links, I'll check em out when I have the time.
 
2013-04-09 11:56:14 PM  

StopLurkListen: Uchiha_Cycliste: StopLurkListen: Uchiha_Cycliste: My only thought about this scenario is that it could be pulled off with a little submarine.

I hafta say it again? THIS KIND OF ATTACK IS ALMOST FUTILE.

Go here: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/gmap/hydesim.html. Type in an address ("San Francisco, CA" or "Seoul" or Los Angeles") and a yield in kilotons ("7" = North Korea's latest test yield) and center the map as close as possible to the shore. Put it right up against ATT Park, even.

A few city blocks get vaporized. Many hundreds of thousands of windows shatter. And that's about it.

Try Tokyo - even more futile. A big bang, but a very big metropolis remains untouched. And now there are several hundred million very, very, very angry people with more firepower than God (at least as far as you're concerned, if you're Kim Jong Un)

What I was considering was not the immediate damage from the blast but the long term consequences from the fallout and irradiated water. That big boom would throw many tons of instantly radioactive water into the air and all over the cities. It would screw things up pretty badly as we learned at Bikini Atol

Fair enough, but you only need a "dirty bomb" to do that. And you still have the problem of overwhelming retaliation.


I guess then if you wanted to use the nuke's power too you would want to be under the bay bridge or over in West Oakland where all the shipping goes on. IIRC it's a huge commercial port, right? then you get the irradiated water and destroy commercial shipping, more bang for your buck
 
2013-04-09 11:57:27 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Uchiha_Cycliste: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Madbassist1: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

I'm constantly amazed at the sociopathic self-centeredness of Fark's lefties. So you would trade the lives of 20+ million people for a nice pad in Hawaii?


AdolfOliverPanties: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.  They can't grow anything.  They can't produce anything but weapons.  Sadly, they are very good at that.  We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.


Idiot answering an idiot.

I'm also constantly amazed at the profound ignorance of Fark's lefties.

God help the world if you morons ever run things.

I'm constantly amazed at people who are hard right being so quick to attack statements that are obviously parody, satire and hyperbole. Oh wait, no I'm not. There's three types of hard right people on FARK. Idiots, trolls, and idiots who are trolls.

Ummmm...... you haven't been paying attention. (Hint: I'm not a right winger.)

well, everyone here ....

(1) Sorry, I didn't realize you had taken a survey.

...thinks you are. So there's that.

(2) That actually says more about them (and their lack of abil ...


You might say you aren't right wing, but you definitely fall under the old saying, "if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck..."
 
2013-04-09 11:58:35 PM  

mrexcess: Really? The only explanation you can think of for why he didn't defect and run away to for the non-guaranteed chance of a life of ignominy in the States is because he's "power addled"? Come on. Put yourself in his shoes. If he didn't take the job, who was going to? What would that have meant for his countrymen? Bear in mind that not everyone has the individualistic, "fark all y'all I got mine" mindset of your typical American that might make such an option more appealing... even if in his heart of hearts he views his father as something of the monster that we do, the family name and legacy would not be such an easy thing to surrender. And bear in mind that he's lived his entire life under the dominating thumb of his fathers' regime, and probably had/has a different conception of its reach and power than we do.


He wasn't under the thumb of his countries regime when he was being taught in Switzerland. He had to have seen what he was facing and he chose to ignore it over not having that power. I will concede that he might have taken it out of a sense of misguided loyalty but that's it.

I think you're wrong. To the extent that he has any choice in matters at all, which is far less than I think we in the West tend to perceive it to be, he's been doing what he perceives as best for his people, his family name, and the safety of himself and his own wife and offspring. I hope, sooner rather than later, he gets a handle on how his figurehead status comes with some actual political power, so he can harness that power to purge the self-interested and manipulative warmongers who are trying to steer him towards their designs and instead finally set a rational course towards some actual prosperity for himself and his people.

He did have a choice. You may be correct that he is trying to do some Machiavellian maneuvering to get his country into a better place but he's screwing it up royally right now in my opinion.
 
2013-04-10 12:03:59 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: I guess then if you wanted to use the nuke's power too you would want to be under the bay bridge or over in West Oakland where all the shipping goes on. IIRC it's a huge commercial port, right? then you get the irradiated water and destroy commercial shipping, more bang for your buck


This. Well the port facilities anyway. But as I said, it's pretty much in the impossible scenario range.

/note that I live just ~3 miles south of San Francisco.
 
2013-04-10 12:06:23 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: thanks for the links, I'll check em out when I have the time.


There's some fairly dry stuff in there to slog through but it's where I usually point people to when they start to ask details.
 
2013-04-10 12:07:54 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: I guess then if you wanted to use the nuke's power too you would want to be under the bay bridge or over in West Oakland where all the shipping goes on. IIRC it's a huge commercial port, right? then you get the irradiated water and destroy commercial shipping, more bang for your buck

This. Well the port facilities anyway. But as I said, it's pretty much in the impossible scenario range.

/note that I live just ~3 miles south of San Francisco.


So, So. SF? I'm in redwood.
good god! riding home sucked yesterday. Conveniently enough my avg power and average cadence were the same in both directions (201 watts and 92 rpm, respectively) but to work my avg. speed was 20.1 and home it was 16. It SUCKED.. or more accurately, it Blew =3

\45mi round trip.
 
2013-04-10 12:09:56 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: thanks for the links, I'll check em out when I have the time.

There's some fairly dry stuff in there to slog through but it's where I usually point people to when they start to ask details.


I know I also read a book a while ago about The Sub sinking that encouraged Swede Mosman to use the diving bell for the first time. I want to say the sub was the Scorpion, but my memory is really hazy on a lot of the details. =( With that pitifully small level of detail, can you tell me the book I read?
 
2013-04-10 12:13:33 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: So, So. SF? I'm in redwood.


DC near Seaton. I'm totally "Safe" if someone nukes The City waterfront what with SBM in the way and how the winds blow. I'm totally farked if the San Andreas does another 1906 though. I;m something like a mile or so away from that much more likely scenario (Mussel Rock epicenter).
 
2013-04-10 12:20:13 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: thanks for the links, I'll check em out when I have the time.

There's some fairly dry stuff in there to slog through but it's where I usually point people to when they start to ask details.

I know I also read a book a while ago about The Sub sinking that encouraged Swede Mosman to use the diving bell for the first time. I want to say the sub was the Scorpion, but my memory is really hazy on a lot of the details. =( With that pitifully small level of detail, can you tell me the book I read?


Sorry, no. The Scorpion was well after (by decades even) the diving bell was first used in regards to submarine search or rescue. I think that it was the Squalus when it was first used in that regard. If you live in RWC there used to be one sitting on the side of the road as you approached the Century Movie Complex west of 280. They got rid of it in the mid-90's though. Sold for scrap I do believe.
 
2013-04-10 12:22:51 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: thanks for the links, I'll check em out when I have the time.

There's some fairly dry stuff in there to slog through but it's where I usually point people to when they start to ask details.

I know I also read a book a while ago about The Sub sinking that encouraged Swede Mosman to use the diving bell for the first time. I want to say the sub was the Scorpion, but my memory is really hazy on a lot of the details. =( With that pitifully small level of detail, can you tell me the book I read?

Sorry, no. The Scorpion was well after (by decades even) the diving bell was first used in regards to submarine search or rescue. I think that it was the Squalus when it was first used in that regard. If you live in RWC there used to be one sitting on the side of the road as you approached the Century Movie Complex west of 280. They got rid of it in the mid-90's though. Sold for scrap I do believe.


Must have been the Squalus then. ...quick google search.
Yup! the terrible hours. thanks!
 
2013-04-10 12:25:19 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: StopLurkListen: Fair enough, but you only need a "dirty bomb" to do that. And you still have the problem of overwhelming retaliation.

I guess then if you wanted to use the nuke's power too you would want to be under the bay bridge or over in West Oakland where all the shipping goes on. IIRC it's a huge commercial port, right? then you get the irradiated water and destroy commercial shipping, more bang for your buck


Blowing up a bridge would do what for North Korea? Other than causing a transportation headache for commuters it's not a very effective thing to attack. And a port is probably a good place to attack, from our point of view - lots and lots of empty space. They're really just supersized parking lots. I'm trying to get the point across that those North Korean warheads are really low yield. They're weaker than the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs. You're not going to level a city with them.

I don't know what "irradiated water" means. Water doesn't become radioactive, the ash is. Water blocks radiation. If there's radioactive ash in the water, it will eventually sink and the radiation would be shielded by the water.

If your aim is to scatter radioactive materials, using a nuke kinda works against you. The superheated column of air lifts most of the ash up into the stratosphere. Unless you ("you" meaning Kim Jong Un) just want to raise the global background radiation... then why not set off bombs in Yongbyon anyway? No delivery plot needed.
 
2013-04-10 12:26:20 AM  

Walker: Japan ain't gonna do sh*t. North Korea has launched missiles over them before and they didn't do sh*t.


New government, new possibilities
 
2013-04-10 12:26:45 AM  
Has anyone mentioned that the "article" makes no mention of any response from Japan, and that as such the headline is false and misleading?
 
2013-04-10 12:27:59 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Uchiha_Cycliste: So, So. SF? I'm in redwood.

DC near Seaton. I'm totally "Safe" if someone nukes The City waterfront what with SBM in the way and how the winds blow. I'm totally farked if the San Andreas does another 1906 though. I;m something like a mile or so away from that much more likely scenario (Mussel Rock epicenter).


I've heard tell that Crystal Springs is entirely thanks to the San Andreas. that it sits on the fault and that there is a big indention there because of the fault line. I'm only a few miles from it myself. But thankfully I rent. my plan is to buy a place in the city after the big one hits and everything built after the 1906 is destroyed.

Unrelated. The Agnews developmental center has a spot with a bunch of information about the "The GreatAsylum for theInsane" that used to be there, on one of the plaques it talks about the 1905 earthquake, "which resulted in the deaths of 97 patients and  stuff" lulz
 
2013-04-10 12:32:44 AM  

reubendaley: Has anyone mentioned that the "article" makes no mention of any response from Japan, and that as such the headline is false and misleading?


I felt that was a given.
 
2013-04-10 12:37:03 AM  

StopLurkListen: Uchiha_Cycliste: StopLurkListen: Fair enough, but you only need a "dirty bomb" to do that. And you still have the problem of overwhelming retaliation.

I guess then if you wanted to use the nuke's power too you would want to be under the bay bridge or over in West Oakland where all the shipping goes on. IIRC it's a huge commercial port, right? then you get the irradiated water and destroy commercial shipping, more bang for your buck

Blowing up a bridge would do what for North Korea? Other than causing a transportation headache for commuters it's not a very effective thing to attack. And a port is probably a good place to attack, from our point of view - lots and lots of empty space. They're really just supersized parking lots. I'm trying to get the point across that those North Korean warheads are really low yield. They're weaker than the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs. You're not going to level a city with them.

I don't know what "irradiated water" means. Water doesn't become radioactive, the ash is. Water blocks radiation. If there's radioactive ash in the water, it will eventually sink and the radiation would be shielded by the water.

If your aim is to scatter radioactive materials, using a nuke kinda works against you. The superheated column of air lifts most of the ash up into the stratosphere. Unles