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(Chosun (Korea))   North Korea has notified nations that it plans to launch a missile over Japan on Wednesday. Japan has notified North Korea that if it does it's about to have a really bad rest of the week   (english.chosun.com) divider line 535
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2013-04-09 03:07:04 PM  
Also shot down over the Sea of Japan
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2013-04-09 03:07:15 PM  
You think lil Kim has seen "The Mouse that Roared" one too many times.


I was watching BBC world news this morning and they were showing how Japan has deployed anti missle battaries around th ecountry and said if anything flew near them they would shoot it down.
 
2013-04-09 03:07:31 PM  

I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.


As can I. A diplomatic phone call to the Chinese, Japanese and US, saying to look the other way for ten minutes.

Remember the Somali pirates the Russian Navy stranded at sea?
 
2013-04-09 03:07:45 PM  

Rev.K: AdolfOliverPanties: I plan on moving to Hawaii in a few years.  I personally give my blessing to wipe NK off the map if it's continued existence would screw up my new home.

Really? Where in Hawaii?

As a Canadian stuck in the frozen north, I dream of moving to Hawaii. I've looked at jobs there a few times, but it's hard for a Canadian to get hired...at least in government work.

/sigh
//threadjack


Calgary is NOT the frozen north...
 
2013-04-09 03:08:02 PM  

fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.


Japan shoots it down and NK calls that the agression and First Strike. Then it's on. It fits in with the theory that Lil-Un is starting shiat on purpose to lose and eventually be fed and rebuilt. Or he's just bat shiat insane.
 
2013-04-09 03:08:22 PM  

Gosling: nekom: Given that they have actively THREATENED nuclear war, Japan has absolutely every right to shoot down any missile coming from there.  I rather doubt Japan would do anything else, but they certainly have made it clear that they absolutely do intend to do so.  Patriot missile batteries deployed in Tokyo.  They have to protect their own population, any nation would do the same.

Besides, the one thing you don't threaten in front of Japan is nuclear anything. They get rather cross about the prospect of getting nuked. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Fukushima, and remember, Godzilla was originally an allegory about being reckless with nuclear power brought on after a random fishing boat of theirs got caught in nuclear-test fallout.


Very true. Though only the older generation remembers firsthand, but I can see why of all people in the world they might be especially worried about nukes.
 
2013-04-09 03:08:37 PM  

I_C_Weener: The No Dong sounds homophobic to me.


At BEST.  Less than manly at worst.
 
2013-04-09 03:08:50 PM  
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/Godzilla always delivers
 
2013-04-09 03:08:59 PM  

whistleridge: ThatGuyGreg: whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all

Everybody posts that map, with no legend as to what the dark red vs. the light red means.

Fine.

Here:

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And here:

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I can see North Korea from my house
 
2013-04-09 03:09:16 PM  

I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.


"Kim Jong Eun was hospitalized today, apparently for a missing larynx...."
 
2013-04-09 03:09:32 PM  
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2013-04-09 03:09:45 PM  

Robo Beat: I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.

Take off his shirt and start strangling biatches?


That too.  But what I was thinking ryhmes with plutonium poisoning.
 
2013-04-09 03:10:01 PM  

nekom: Very true. Though only the older generation remembers firsthand, but I can see why of all people in the world they might be especially worried about nukes.


The older generation remembers getting nuked by the US. They all remember the Fukushima incident.
 
2013-04-09 03:10:11 PM  

Gosling: KarmicDisaster: If they do shoot a missile over Japan, the trajectory probably won't allow current systems to shoot it down, it will be near apogee when it passes over won't it? Unless it malfunctions and part of hit hits Japan, oops, then all hell will break loose.

Japan ain't going to give a good goddamn about apogee. If it enters Japanese airspace, they're going to flip their shiat.


Oh, yeah they will, but like I said, a Patriot battery or anything else Japan possesses won't be able to shoot it down, it will be out of the envelope.  US anti-missle picket ship might have a chance depending.
 
2013-04-09 03:11:36 PM  

whistleridge: Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.


You're assuming they can actually tip that super long range three stage TD2 missile with a functional nuclear weapon. And that everything works.

I doubt the missile actually has that range, could hit anything accurately (even within a CEP of a few miles) at that range), would actually work as expected, and I REALLY doubt they have a nuclear weapon they can put on the top of the thing. It's one thing to build an atomic bomb. It's another to get the packaging down to a size where it fits on a rocket and is actually deliverable by ICBM.

The only evidence I've seen or heard of (not that I've seen a ton) that they actually have such a warhead is NK's own hyperbolic statements. At this point I'd trust a used car dealer to give me a reliable vehicle at a great price more than I would Kim Jong Un to accurately portray the current state of their forces.
 
2013-04-09 03:11:59 PM  

Gosling: nekom: Very true. Though only the older generation remembers firsthand, but I can see why of all people in the world they might be especially worried about nukes.

The older generation remembers getting nuked by the US. They all remember the Fukushima incident.


Right, but they aren't exactly unique in that. The USSR and the USA have both had nuclear accidents of varying degrees of awfulness, but only Japan has ever actually been nuked.

Of course as an American who grew up at the tail end of the cold war, I still remember "duck and cover", it's a worldwide fear, but Japan certainly has a unique perspective on that.
 
2013-04-09 03:12:37 PM  
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Quick!  Get in the bunker!!!
 
2013-04-09 03:12:43 PM  

MindStalker: whistleridge: Ground-based interceptors (GBI) have about a 50% success rate in tests, and that's under conditions where we know when the shot is coming, where it's being aimed, how fast it will be going, and what the profile of the target it. Expect that rate to drop by at least 50% in real-world conditions. We cheat, and say we'll fire 4 or 5 for a cumulative kill rate of 97%, but that's a projection - it's never been tested.

That's only an issue if they are firing dozens of long range missiles, the chances that they have more than 1 or 2 long range missiles is unlikely at best. We have more than enough interceptors to send 4 or 5 or more at the 1 or 2 they might send.


Hopefully, yes. I wouldn't want to gamble LA on it though.
 
2013-04-09 03:13:01 PM  

fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?


How do you feel about "dongle"? they are all over electronics.
 
2013-04-09 03:13:14 PM  
Kim is just a big Watchmen fan and is doing his part to unify the globe.
 
2013-04-09 03:13:27 PM  

akula: whistleridge: Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

You're assuming they can actually tip that super long range three stage TD2 missile with a functional nuclear weapon. And that everything works.

I doubt the missile actually has that range, could hit anything accurately (even within a CEP of a few miles) at that range), would actually work as expected, and I REALLY doubt they have a nuclear weapon they can put on the top of the thing. It's one thing to build an atomic bomb. It's another to get the packaging down to a size where it fits on a rocket and is actually deliverable by ICBM.

The only evidence I've seen or heard of (not that I've seen a ton) that they actually have such a warhead is NK's own hyperbolic statements. At this point I'd trust a used car dealer to give me a reliable vehicle at a great price more than I would Kim Jong Un to accurately portray the current state of their forces.


How I can tell you didn't read the whole thread :p 

See my Boobies.
 
2013-04-09 03:13:41 PM  

whistleridge: Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley China. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.


FTFY
 
2013-04-09 03:13:53 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Oh, yeah they will, but like I said, a Patriot battery or anything else Japan possesses won't be able to shoot it down, it will be out of the envelope. US anti-missle picket ship might have a chance depending.


Who said Japan would be shooting at the missile?
 
2013-04-09 03:14:05 PM  
Kim is like someone who plays the single player version of an FPS on easy level, then thinks he is going to dominate in actual on-line multiplayer situations.
 
2013-04-09 03:14:08 PM  

Gosling: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Oh, Kim won't be permitted to see the rebuild. He's going to either die in the middle of it or become the new world hide-and-seek champ.


On an unrelated note, some insurance salesman named Kim Jongli is pricing condos in Pierre, SD.
 
2013-04-09 03:14:12 PM  

whistleridge: How I can tell you didn't read the whole thread :p

See my Boobies.


EIP?
 
2013-04-09 03:14:30 PM  

PreMortem: Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.


You know who else got shot down over the Sea of Japan?
 
2013-04-09 03:14:53 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?

How do you feel about "dongle"? they are all over electronics.


Shhhh! You wanna get fired?
 
2013-04-09 03:15:33 PM  
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"This business,,,is the biggest joke I ever heard.
They got nothing.  We know their every move.
Even their friends think they're dicks.
I'll be in my room taking a nap.  If anything flies over, shoot it down!"
 
2013-04-09 03:15:43 PM  

CruiserTwelve: [i162.photobucket.com image 320x480]


Chuck could knock a missile down with a stern look.
 
2013-04-09 03:15:47 PM  

stonicus: Kim is like someone who plays the single player version of an FPS on easy level, then thinks he is going to dominate in actual on-line multiplayer situations.


And he's doing your mom of course.
 
2013-04-09 03:15:52 PM  
The poor Pacific ocean.  NK has a great record of beating up the Ocean with failed launches.  Why are there no environmental protests against NK for their attacks on the Pacific?
 
2013-04-09 03:16:22 PM  

whistleridge: ThatGuyGreg: PreMortem: Should shoot it down as soon as it's over the Sea of Japan. Considering they've publicly stated that their intention is to nuke the US.

I imagine the US'll shoot down anything as soon as it clears NK airspace.

Sadly, that's harder to do than you might think. Just like they're lying through their teeth about shooting the US, we're lying through our teeth about our ability to shoot everything down.

Ground-based interceptors (GBI) have about a 50% success rate in tests, and that's under conditions where we know when the shot is coming, where it's being aimed, how fast it will be going, and what the profile of the target it. Expect that rate to drop by at least 50% in real-world conditions. We cheat, and say we'll fire 4 or 5 for a cumulative kill rate of 97%, but that's a projection - it's never been tested.

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) has a 100% test rate to date, but it's more limited in range and speed.

So...IF we can get THAAD-equipped ships in place, and IF they get proper intelligence of a coming test shot, and IF they can fire in the 1 - 2 minute window needed to successfully intercept, then yes...we can probably shoot their missile down. If THAAD doesn't come into play, we've got a greatly diminished chance of shooting it down.

Don't get me wrong: it's a hell of a lot more than we had in the Cold War, and a hell of a lot better than the 'nothing' everyone else has, but it's still far from a sure thing.


I believe THAAD is actually in place already. Along with some weird little floating radar buoy box we put out in the Pacific. Some people have speculated that this means we've moved a solid portion of our B-2 fleet to Guam, as many people in Missouri reported seeing a squadron fly towards the west coast a few days back. Missouri and Guam are the only bases where these bombers can be flown out of. NK's main weapon is its artillery. They currently have the largest artillery force on the planet. They bought almost everyone's surplus after air superiority became the name of the game. Their positions are dug in for this, and the shelling of Seoul would be brutal. That's really their only card apart from human wave tactics. Half of their guns don't even work. If you watch their propaganda videos, some of the AKs are missing the bolt carrier, their machine guns are cobbled together from various obsolete models and made solely to look scary, and their training is laughable. They fire from the hip while advancing. This works well for a human wave, but only if your gun has a bolt. Without that, you might as well be pointing at people and yelling bang.

tl;dr- NK has nothing worth mentioning apart from artillery as far as conventional warfare is concerned, and we've put countermeasures in place for missile launches.
 
2013-04-09 03:17:15 PM  
Germany's reportedly allied itself with Japan, backing them up if BK so much as skeets in their direction.

It's just like old times.
 
2013-04-09 03:17:25 PM  

namegoeshere: fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Japan shoots it down and NK calls that the agression and First Strike. Then it's on. It fits in with the theory that Lil-Un is starting shiat on purpose to lose and eventually be fed and rebuilt. Or he's just bat shiat insane.


I'd guess he's insane. Lived a life of privilege? Check. Never exposed to reality? Check. Got everything/got away with anything he ever wanted? Probably. Spoiled? Oh most certainly.
 
2013-04-09 03:17:33 PM  

stonicus: Kim is like someone who plays the single player version of an FPS on easy level, then thinks he is going to dominate in actual on-line multiplayer situations.


Eh, really? EASY MODO!?
 
2013-04-09 03:18:14 PM  

stonicus: Kim is like someone who plays the single player version of an FPS on easy level, then thinks he is going to dominate in actual on-line multiplayer situations.


You mean RTS.. I mean, they are Korean after all.
 
2013-04-09 03:18:40 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: hubiestubert: I am more and more convinced that North Korea is really hoping for war, so that they can get rebuilt by the West. It takes them out of the Chinese pocket, it keeps the Russians out of their hair, and afterwards, Little Kim can be one of the cool kids at the UN table. At least one of the ones who got out of the dictator for life game, and retires someplace warm, with a lot of security paid for on someone else's dime...

Not a bad result for the little prick, if it works out exactly as he hopes.  It won't though.  Being rebuilt by the west is one thing, but that country is a barren wasteland, and not because of the Kim Jong family.  They can't grow anything.  They can't produce anything but weapons.  Sadly, they are very good at that.  We can't go in and rebuild and turn them into a thriving economy based on agriculture or business.  They have shiat for natural resources.


Absolutely false.  Lots of natural resources, and farm-able land.  Been there.  Seen it. Got the t-shirt and a pic
 
2013-04-09 03:18:59 PM  

probesport: Well, it's currently Wednesday in NK.


But they need light to man the launch controls.
 
2013-04-09 03:19:05 PM  
I wonder if NK is misdirecting the world's attention to Japan so they can bomb the bejeezus out of SK?

Food for thought.
 
2013-04-09 03:19:30 PM  
In other news today, the US Navy 7th Fleet held a press conference to announce their plan to test their AEGIS anti missile system in the vicinity of Japan around Wednesday.

When questioned, the spokesman denied that the Navy's announcement was anything other than purely coincidental vis-a-vis a recently announced possible North Korean missile launch.  He was quoted as saying, "No shiat?  They are?  Huh.  How about that?"
 
2013-04-09 03:19:33 PM  

fireclown: netweavr: Japan is forbidden from doing shiat without getting permission from the US. Guess what the US gave them today...

I was of the belief that anti-missile stuff was within the purview of the Japanese Defense Force.   If not, the damned well should be.  At any rate, I hope they keep their shiat together and don't do anything hasty.  Just shoot the damned thing down and show Kim what's what.

Also, if there are any Korean speakers out there, what does "dong" mean in Korean?  Can we get word to the NK missile program that the US just can't take missiles named "somethingsomethingDONG" seriously?


"It's an entirely different type of dong altogether."
 
2013-04-09 03:19:38 PM  

MrBigglesworth: The poor Pacific ocean.  NK has a great record of beating up the Ocean with failed launches.  Why are there no environmental protests against NK for their attacks on the Pacific?


That's a bit like finding out your kid beat the crap out of an old lady while cutting school and robbing the corner store and then yelling at him for not making his bed that morning.
 
2013-04-09 03:19:52 PM  

EatHam: whistleridge: 3. Their missiles can only just barely reach the US, if at all

They'd have better luck throwing them.


Probably on schedule right at 5 0'clock.

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2013-04-09 03:19:55 PM  

I_C_Weener: Snotnose: I for one think it would be most appropriate if the missile goes off course and ends up in a Chinese city.

/ may you live in interesting times
// would stock up on popcorn
/// speaking of chinese takeout....

Or if it went over Russian territory.  I'm not sure how Putin would respond....oh, yes, I am.


I think Putin would run shirtless, drunk, and screaming through Best Korea, punching everything in his way.
 
2013-04-09 03:20:34 PM  

neongoats: stonicus: Kim is like someone who plays the single player version of an FPS on easy level, then thinks he is going to dominate in actual on-line multiplayer situations.

You mean RTS.. I mean, they are Korean after all.


egamer.co.za
 
2013-04-09 03:20:38 PM  

Infernalist: EatHam: AdolfOliverPanties: They have shiat for natural resources.

Really?

To be fair, those RREs are way way way out of reach right now.  NK mines only operate at about 30% capacity out of safety concerns.  They're obscenely outdated and in need of serious repair.  To get at those RREs in any real capacity would take a massive overhaul of existing infrastructure and modernization of their mining equipment.

A serious serious investment that would only pay off in a decade or so, if that.


So the next war will be over rocks instead of oil.

/I guess this is the logical option. First it was religion, now it's resources.
 
2013-04-09 03:20:48 PM  

digistil: probesport: Well, it's currently Wednesday in NK.


Its 4:20 am in North Korea. Spark it up!
 
2013-04-09 03:21:34 PM  
In related news, the U.S. annonunces a rest of its missile intercept system on Wednesday
 
2013-04-09 03:21:40 PM  

whistleridge: akula: whistleridge: Not in terms of economic production they don't. Yeah, hitting the Alaskan oil fields or ports would put quite a dent in our oil for awhile, but it only kill a few thousand to tens of thousands, and wouldn't really do much besides that. Ditto for hitting Pearl Harbor. 

If you want to risk having your country wiped out, you want to guarandamntee you can take out a major population center like LA or Chicago, not piddle around with a secondary target. That's the whole point of MAD. They don't have it.

Although frankly, if they REALLY want to hurt the US...aim at Silicon Valley. You take out Apple, Google, Yahoo, Cisco, Oracle, and all the other brains living and working there, and you've set us back 25 - 30 years. That actually scares me more than them hitting LA.

You're assuming they can actually tip that super long range three stage TD2 missile with a functional nuclear weapon. And that everything works.

I doubt the missile actually has that range, could hit anything accurately (even within a CEP of a few miles) at that range), would actually work as expected, and I REALLY doubt they have a nuclear weapon they can put on the top of the thing. It's one thing to build an atomic bomb. It's another to get the packaging down to a size where it fits on a rocket and is actually deliverable by ICBM.

The only evidence I've seen or heard of (not that I've seen a ton) that they actually have such a warhead is NK's own hyperbolic statements. At this point I'd trust a used car dealer to give me a reliable vehicle at a great price more than I would Kim Jong Un to accurately portray the current state of their forces.

How I can tell you didn't read the whole thread :p 

See my Boobies.


Not sure I want to see those.

You're more optimistic than I am that there won't be war. I tend to think it's unlikely, but when you get stuff all primed up and the Norks are just wild and nutty, and well, shiat can happen from something like a missile test when you've been promising to nuke everybody within reach.

NK has less ability to harm the US directly than Luxembourg current possesses. But they do have the ability to bloody SK's nose (or really piss off the Japanese). Hopefully they'll decide they've rattled their sabers enough, but one of these days they actually WILL cross the line and start something. That or implode. I'd give even money odds between those two potential scenarios playing out.
 
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