She "earned" that respect from soccer fans. Especially in Liverpool...

Its funny, when most worldly people die like former prime ministers, heads of state, presidents, etc... everyone usually turns off the inner critic if but for a moment and we all do a collective Awe moment.

Here though, its like everyone standing around looking at each other with bewilderment and collectively asking each other "It's ok if we give he a fark off right? I mean really it's ok to jeer at some right?"

I don't understand why people are pissed, its not like she's in charge of the police, but people keep blaming her

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Its funny, when most worldly people die like former prime ministers, heads of state, presidents, etc... everyone usually turns off the inner critic if but for a moment and we all do a collective Awe moment.

Here though, its like everyone standing around looking at each other with bewilderment and collectively asking each other "It's ok if we give he a fark off right? I mean really it's ok to jeer at some right?"

Its been drilled into simpletons heads the past 20 years that everyone should hate conservatives and if you don't you are a horrid, horrible, evil person.

steamingpile: I don't understand why people are pissed, its not like she's in charge of the police, but people keep blaming her

No hate like liberal hate
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steamingpile: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Its funny, when most worldly people die like former prime ministers, heads of state, presidents, etc... everyone usually turns off the inner critic if but for a moment and we all do a collective Awe moment.

Here though, its like everyone standing around looking at each other with bewilderment and collectively asking each other "It's ok if we give he a fark off right? I mean really it's ok to jeer at some right?"

Its been drilled into simpletons heads the past 20 years that everyone should hate conservatives and if you don't you are a horrid, horrible, evil person.

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steamingpile: Its been drilled into simpletons heads the past 20 years that everyone should hate conservatives and if you don't you are a horrid, horrible, evil person.

Just goes to show that the horrid, horrible evil conservatives have done a great job in spreading the message and the brand.

studs up: steamingpile: I don't understand why people are pissed, its not like she's in charge of the police, but people keep blaming her

No hate like liberal hate
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If you keep repeating this, does it become true?

/or do you get a friendly visit from the ghost of Reagan?

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Its funny, when most worldly people die like former prime ministers, heads of state, presidents, etc... everyone usually turns off the inner critic if but for a moment and we all do a collective Awe moment.

Here though, its like everyone standing around looking at each other with bewilderment and collectively asking each other "It's ok if we give he a fark off right? I mean really it's ok to jeer at some right?"

I think part of it is born from the fact that she (and all Prime Ministers) have such a large personal impact on policies, yet so few people actually have the chance to directly vote for him or her.

Source4leko: studs up: steamingpile: I don't understand why people are pissed, its not like she's in charge of the police, but people keep blaming her

No hate like liberal hate
T-Shirts for sale in the lobby

If you keep repeating this, does it become true?

/or do you get a friendly visit from the ghost of Reagan?

Repeated denials. Do they make it false?
/Or did Mao come over and rub your tummy?
(this is easy and fun for the whole family)

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Why do you want to close Fark?

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Its funny, when most worldly people die like former prime ministers, heads of state, presidents, etc... everyone usually turns off the inner critic if but for a moment and we all do a collective Awe moment.

Here though, its like everyone standing around looking at each other with bewilderment and collectively asking each other "It's ok if we give he a fark off right? I mean really it's ok to jeer at some right?"

I'll be jeering when Bush 2 and Cheney die.

Also... only one minute? Why not, say, two? It somehow seems more appropriate.

Source4leko: /or do you get a friendly visit from the ghost of Reagan?

Please read this before making dumb comments:

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Supporters should chant "We Won't Pay Your Poll Tax!" like the England fans did at the 1990 World Cup.

I hate the follow up tag because it is so ambiguous. How am I supposed to know how to feel about this without the appropriate tag? Asinine? Hero?

Help me out subby.

I'm not really sure posting any thread even remotely relating to Thatcher should be in the sports thread. Or any divisive political figure, for the matter.

/not that I care if a flamewar spills into here
//just sayin..

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Why do you want to close Fark?

Ok, that's funny!

Trocadero: She "earned" that respect from soccer fans. Especially in Liverpool...

Um... THIS x1000

If they were asking, they'd be damn lucky that Liverpool aren't at home this weekend.

/Though Everton would almost certainly shiat on any moment of silence just as much
//Placing the over/under on "fark you, Thatcher" chants across EPL and FA Cup matches this week at 90.5
/Half from Merseyside fans alone

sigdiamond2000: Why do the British people refuse to afford Margaret Thatcher the respect that American right-wing blogger-patriots think she deserves?

They only elected her three times and are affording her the biggest funeral for a non royal since Churchill.  I mean come on, why are right wing Americans so in love with her but not the UK?

I wonder if the penguins on the Falkland Islands will give her a minute of silence?  Or at least a herring.

It's funny because soccer fans are blue collar low class chavs

CUT THEIR GOOLIES OFF!

Ah, Our Betters In Europe strike again.

This is easy.

1. Play the 'Hand of God' clip.
2. Play video of England blowing the shiat out of Argentina in the Falklands.
3. Show Thatcher.

Instant cheering.

TimonC346: .

They did that to themselves. If conservative economic ideology wasn't directly to blame for the widening income gaps throughout the free world, people wouldn't hate them nearly as much.

But in this case also, people remember her much more accurately than we do Reagan. Reagan was a strong president, not a necessarily good one--at least that's up for debate. In England--Thatcher, like Reagan, did right by her rich buddies. But in England, they know all too well that the majority of the population isn't the ultra wealthy.

As Thatcher would tell you, you would rather the poor were poorer so long as the rich are less rich.

Mrtraveler01: Hang On Voltaire: sigdiamond2000: Why do the British people refuse to afford Margaret Thatcher the respect that American right-wing blogger-patriots think she deserves?

They only elected her three times and are affording her the biggest funeral for a non royal since Churchill.  I mean come on, why are right wing Americans so in love with her but not the UK?

You're right. No one should be shocked when the Conservative run UK Government wants to hold a big fancy funeral for one of their own.

That's not hypocritical at all right?

Oh do fark off. If she'd karked it while Blair was still in No 10 she'd be getting a full state funeral.

Mrtraveler01:

You're right. No one should be shocked when the Conservative run UK Government wants to hold a big fancy funeral for one of their own.

That's not hypocritical at all right?

How is that hypocritical?  Exactly

Paddyb: Please read this before making dumb comments:

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So. . . . .Her idea was to keep soccer fans from being deadly, savage shiatheads?  And on top of that to divert public funds away from building stadiums for privately owned teams?

A lot of celebration on Facebook about Thatcher's death ... which I don't understand.

It's not like she was the current PM, or was planning world domination, or whatever. She was retired, elderly, and marginally relevant in current world politics. So how would the world be worse today if she hadn't died yesterday? The answer is: not one bit.

Anyone claiming her death - or that of any politician, current or former - is a good thing is clearly too stupid to take seriously.

(Note: I'm American and too young for any of her policies to have made a bit of difference in my life while she was PM, so I really don't care about her any more than anyone else. Debate history, policy, or political philosophy without resorting to childish and unwarranted emotional pleading, a large part of what's wrong with modern political discourse.)

studs up: steamingpile: I don't understand why people are pissed, its not like she's in charge of the police, but people keep blaming her

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Their behavior proves Progs  really do hate women

Lernaeus: A lot of celebration on Facebook about Thatcher's death ... which I don't understand.

It's not like she was the current PM, or was planning world domination, or whatever. She was retired, elderly, and marginally relevant in current world politics. So how would the world be worse today if she hadn't died yesterday? The answer is: not one bit.

Anyone claiming her death - or that of any politician, current or former - is a good thing is clearly too stupid to take seriously.

(Note: I'm American and too young for any of her policies to have made a bit of difference in my life while she was PM, so I really don't care about her any more than anyone else. Debate history, policy, or political philosophy without resorting to childish and unwarranted emotional pleading, a large part of what's wrong with modern political discourse.)

People aren't celebrating her death because they think Britain is a better place now she's gone, we are celebrating the hopefully painful demise of a rancid bitter old bag of shiat who deliberately and maliciously destroyed large parts of this country because they would not vote for her.

inert: Lernaeus: A lot of celebration on Facebook about Thatcher's death ... which I don't understand.

It's not like she was the current PM, or was planning world domination, or whatever. She was retired, elderly, and marginally relevant in current world politics. So how would the world be worse today if she hadn't died yesterday? The answer is: not one bit.

Anyone claiming her death - or that of any politician, current or former - is a good thing is clearly too stupid to take seriously.

(Note: I'm American and too young for any of her policies to have made a bit of difference in my life while she was PM, so I really don't care about her any more than anyone else. Debate history, policy, or political philosophy without resorting to childish and unwarranted emotional pleading, a large part of what's wrong with modern political discourse.)

People aren't celebrating her death because they think Britain is a better place now she's gone, we are celebrating the hopefully painful demise of a rancid bitter old bag of shiat who deliberately and maliciously destroyed large parts of this country because they would not vote for her.

You listening Flyover Country? YOU LISTENING? Yeah, you are listening. We got our eye on you.

Apparently the mods forgot to post this admonition from when Ted Kennedy died so I'll do it for them...



/R.I.P. Dear lady.

The fact that so many of us still have not learnt the lessons of the 1970s does not bode well for the UK's future. Britain is always going to be a "Curate's Egg" country so far as I can see. Like Italy, world class at some things, but overall second rate.

It's 40 years later ffs and still there are 'tards blaming Thatcher for a mess made by her predecessors!
The damage was done by 1979, the incompetant previous drivers had f*cked the car and driven it without oil for decades. It was just a case of how painful the repair bill was going to be. Thatcher did a partial stripdown but the shrieks of outrage when people saw the bits of engine all over the workshop floor were so loud it was only ever partial.

Lernaeus: (Note: I'm American and too young for any of her policies to have made a bit of difference in my life while she was PM, so I really don't care about her any more than anyone else. Debate history, policy, or political philosophy without resorting to childish and unwarranted emotional pleading, a large part of what's wrong with modern political discourse.)

Actually, Thatcher's politics most definitely affects your life today, and will for the forseeable future. Margaret Thatcher didn't invent most of the tactics she used nor thought up the ideas she pushed, but she redefined what it meant to be a politician. Thatcher made it OK to not compromise on anything ever (sound like anyone we know here in America?), to use any tactic necessary to achieve your ends, consequences be damned. To never have a shred of self-awareness as to question the path you're taking- THAT is what Margaret Thatcher stood for, and there are so many politicians today who have modeled themselves, knowingly or unknowingly, after her.

illannoyin: Apparently the mods forgot to post this admonition from when Ted Kennedy died so I'll do it for them...


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/R.I.P. Dear lady.

RIP free speech.
Unless you are a mod, fark off.

Keep your mouth shut for one minute, then sing songs. Along her a slag all game. Maybe mix in a racist chant for some reason

Dave Whelan hasn't held a minutes silence in his life.

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So. . . . .Her idea was to keep soccer fans from being deadly, savage shiatheads?  And on top of that to divert public funds away from building stadiums for privately owned teams?

Her idea was to keep people from finding out that the police were deadly, savage, shiatheads. She ordered a cover up.

Stop giving free milk to kids (even rich kids) in school. Good.

Calling Mandela a terrorist. Bad.

Privatising industry. Good.

Wanting clemancy to Pinochet. Bad.

Rescuing the people of the Falklands. Good.

Poll tax. Bad.

Having foresight of Keeping us out of being too closely paired to Europe and being the next Greece/Spain/Ireland/Italy/Cypress . Good

Hillsborough. Bad.

Breaking the corrupt unions. Good.

Lowering tax on rich whilst increasing tax on poor. Bad.


She's really a mixed bag. Depends on your individual take. There are things to like and hate about her depending on where you place your focus.

TonnageVT: Ask the miners at Orgreave, ask the poor and middle class that was affected by the stubbord poll tax why the celebrations, ask the families of soldiers who died in the Falklands what was the purpose of their fight? You'll find your answers.

The miners at Orgreave? The miners who had gone on strike a few years earlier, caused the 3 day week, held the country to ransom and destroyed the previous Conservative government for money? The ones who when closures were announced decided that they would again try and use their power to stop the country functioning?

The miners lost, having started a war that had little to morally defend it. You walk up to someone, punch them in the face and discover they're a black belt in karate and they put you in hospital, well, I ain't going to have any sympathy for you.

farkeruk: TonnageVT: Ask the miners at Orgreave, ask the poor and middle class that was affected by the stubbord poll tax why the celebrations, ask the families of soldiers who died in the Falklands what was the purpose of their fight? You'll find your answers.

The miners at Orgreave? The miners who had gone on strike a few years earlier, caused the 3 day week, held the country to ransom and destroyed the previous Conservative government for money? The ones who when closures were announced decided that they would again try and use their power to stop the country functioning?

The miners lost, having started a war that had little to morally defend it. You walk up to someone, punch them in the face and discover they're a black belt in karate and they put you in hospital, well, I ain't going to have any sympathy for you.

I know, they should have just shut their filthy slave mouths and gone back to work.

Liverpool play at Mr Majeskis house Saturday and I expect they'll tear Mrs Thatcher and him a new one.

I hope they also tear Reading a new one.

WHY IS THERE NO UCL THREAD

Dortmund score twice in injury time to overcome and knock out Malaga!

The Dortmund match was dildos.

star_topology: WHY IS THERE NO UCL THREAD

Dortmund score twice in injury time to overcome and knock out Malaga!

Because its on DVR for when I get home.

stonicus: I know, they should have just shut their filthy slave mouths and gone back to work.

The miners rolled the dice. And lost. Their tough shiat.

They could have taken the redundancy pay (that was quite generous) and got re-skilled. You still see these old farkers complaining about it, blaming Thatcher and you know, I got made redundant twice, and on each occassion drank until I collapsed, blew a load of money on the horses, and then dusted myself down and found another job.

And that's what some miners did. They saw the writing on the wall, took the money and found something else to do. The people who followed Scargill got a lot less out of it than he did, with the £35K/yr flat in London that was kept for 20 years for him.

Hoo boy. If they ask for a minute's silence at Newcastle or Liverpool they'll be able to hear us at farking Alpha Centauri.

fireclown: Paddyb: Please read this before making dumb comments:

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So. . . . .Her idea was to keep soccer fans from being deadly, savage shiatheads?  And on top of that to divert public funds away from building stadiums for privately owned teams?

Nope, she's never been liked - she never had anything in common with the average football fan :

http://www.celticprogrammesonline.com/programme%20covers/featured/ma gg ies/magiie.htm

She was single minded and didn't listen to or care for anyone else opinions that's why she couldn't understand it when she was forced to stand down as party leader of her own party.

Minute's silence at the Newcastle-Sunderland derby match? Just seen a pig flying past my window.

The minute's booing would unite both sets of fans for the first time.

GoldSpider: farkeruk: The miners rolled the dice. And lost. Their tough shiat.

Evidently they didn't get over it, which is what a proper partisan ought to do in the event of such a thrashing.

The person who gives out the beating forgets about it by the next day. The person who took the beating never forgets.

brapbrapbrap: GoldSpider: farkeruk: The miners rolled the dice. And lost. Their tough shiat.

Evidently they didn't get over it, which is what a proper partisan ought to do in the event of such a thrashing.

The person who gives out the beating forgets about it by the next day. The person who took the beating never forgets.

That is pretty profound.  I am so stealing that one for my favorite quotes in my Face Book page.

brapbrapbrap: The person who gives out the beating forgets about it by the next day. The person who took the beating never forgets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlhOUyy4wbs">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=GlhOUyy4wbs

So, tl;dr she's to blame for £75 tickets and all seater stadiums, yea?

brapbrapbrap: GoldSpider: farkeruk: The miners rolled the dice. And lost. Their tough shiat.

Evidently they didn't get over it, which is what a proper partisan ought to do in the event of such a thrashing.

The person who gives out the beating forgets about it by the next day. The person who took the beating never forgets.

These were the same miners who held the country to ransom before and they were forced (no vote at all for strike action) by Scargill and his currupt cronies into doing the same. Those who couldn't afford to strike had bricks thrown through windows and were attacked while the union reps still had the money to go down the pub and drive nice cars. The fact that Scargill recently took the National Union of Miners to court to force them to keep paying for his expensive London flat while the membership is in the thousands shows who sold who out.

Scargill represented less than 100,000 and tried to overthrow the government by shutting down powerstations. In any democracy he should of lost.

Rwa2play: Bolded for emphasis; after the Hillsborough reevaluation, a lot people that dumped on Liverpool supporters for decades after have gotten quiet all of a sudden. Wonder why?

But what did Thatcher have to do with that?

As a Liverpool fan I remember Hillsborough vividly. I remember the lies from the police, from the press, from the BBC (especially thanks for broadcasting lies to the entire globe on the world service using my bloody licence money).

But Thatcher... She obviously didn't give a damn about what happened to football fans, but she never lied about what happened, she didn't cause what happened, her government launched an inquiry that blamed the police, only to have that rendered meaningless by lies told to the coroners inquest.

I hated her when she was PM, but not for Hillsborough, she had nothing to do with the cause or the cover-up.

Her press secretary, though, was and is, a twat.

TonnageVT: ask the families of soldiers who died in the Falklands what was the purpose of their fight?

Ask the people of the Falklands and you'll get a very good answer to that one.

I'm from Merseyside and grew up in the North of Wales, the town I lived in was devastated by the closing of the steel works. Worse, because our plant was profitable and was closed so that steel works in marginal seats could be kept open, but she's been out of power for twenty years.

GET OVER IT.

To quote Martin McGuiness, former IRA leader, who hated her so much they tried to blow her up in Brighton:
"She was not a peacemaker but it is a mistake to allow her death to poison our minds."

brapbrapbrap: GoldSpider: farkeruk: The miners rolled the dice. And lost. Their tough shiat.

Evidently they didn't get over it, which is what a proper partisan ought to do in the event of such a thrashing.

The person who gives out the beating forgets about it by the next day. The person who took the beating never forgets.

"For you, the day Thatcher graced your picket was the most important day of your life.  But for me, it was Tuesday."

farkeruk: brapbrapbrap: The person who gives out the beating forgets about it by the next day. The person who took the beating never forgets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlhOUyy4wbs">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=GlhOUyy4wbs

How the hell did I miss that?

BarryJV: TonnageVT: ask the families of soldiers who died in the Falklands what was the purpose of their fight?

Ask the people of the Falklands and you'll get a very good answer to that one.

I'm from Merseyside and grew up in the North of Wales, the town I lived in was devastated by the closing of the steel works. Worse, because our plant was profitable and was closed so that steel works in marginal seats could be kept open, but she's been out of power for twenty years.

GET OVER IT.

To quote Martin McGuiness, former IRA leader, who hated her so much they tried to blow her up in Brighton:
"She was not a peacemaker but it is a mistake to allow her death to poison our minds."

Holy shiat when a murdering scumbag like McGuiness has the moral high ground you know something's gone very wrong

/historians will be arguing about Thatchers legacy for centuries

I don't get all the hate.

She was a staunch ally of the US when America was facing down one of its greatest foes: the Cambodian people.

When nobel peace prize winner, Henry Kissinger, was organizing the dropping of more bombs on the Cambodian people than were dropped in all of WWII, Maggie was there.

When Pol Pot took power, and some libs got butthurt over a little genocide, Maggie was there.

When the dirty commie Vietnamese army came in and kicked out the noble Khmer Rouge, Maggie was there, helping to make sure the Khmer Rouge kept its seat on the UN.

When America was trying to build up the KR in north Thailand, getting ready to move back into Cambodia, Maggie was there.

The most fitting tribute you could pay the woman would be to wear a t-shirt with her picture on it, and go to the killing fields of Cambodia, and fap over the bones of the dead, splashing the skulls with your jizz while shouting "The Lady's not for turning/"

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TimonC346: steamingpile: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Its funny, when most worldly people die like former prime ministers, heads of state, presidents, etc... everyone usually turns off the inner critic if but for a moment and we all do a collective Awe moment.

Here though, its like everyone standing around looking at each other with bewilderment and collectively asking each other "It's ok if we give he a fark off right? I mean really it's ok to jeer at some right?"

Its been drilled into simpletons heads the past 20 years that everyone should hate conservatives and if you don't you are a horrid, horrible, evil person.

They did that to themselves. If conservative economic ideology wasn't directly to blame for the widening income gaps throughout the free world, people wouldn't hate them nearly as much.

But in this case also, people remember her much more accurately than we do Reagan. Reagan was a strong president, not a necessarily good one--at least that's up for debate. In England--Thatcher, like Reagan, did right by her rich buddies. But in England, they know all too well that the majority of the population isn't the ultra wealthy.

Very true.  People either forget or ignore that Reagan was the only president to commit treason.

I thought she died a 10 years ago or something, I guess she lived a reclusive life or I'm just an ignorant dummy. Maybe both.

TheJoe03: I thought she died a 10 years ago or something, I guess she lived a reclusive life or I'm just an ignorant dummy. Maybe both.

She was suffering from multi-infarct dementia and lost the capacity to speak in public about a decade ago, so your confusion is understandable.