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(The Week)   Where did MSNBC's Melissa Harris-Perry get her "children don't belong to their parents, they belong to the community" idea? Perhaps she doesn't realize that 1984 isn't an instruction manual   (theweek.com) divider line 52
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2013-04-09 09:38:00 AM  
Duplicates? Well, yes, I guess retarded speech does bear repeating on far.
 
2013-04-09 09:40:46 AM  
fark me, it's the outrage over "it takes a village" all over again.
 
2013-04-09 09:40:55 AM  
Is this supposed to be a followup, or is it just a repeat?
 
2013-04-09 09:43:25 AM  

Bloody William: fark me, it's the outrage over "it takes a village" all over again.


First time as tragedy, second time as farce.
 
2013-04-09 09:46:41 AM  
"Democracy would be wholly valueless to the proletariat if it were not immediately used as a means for putting through measures directed against private property and ensuring the livelihood of the proletariat. The main measures, emerging as the necessary result of existing relations, are the following:


(viii) Education of all children, from the moment they can leave their mother's care, in national establishments at national cost. Education and production together. "


"It will transform the relations between the sexes into a purely private matter which concerns only the persons involved and into which society has no occasion to intervene. It can do this since it does away with private property and educates children on a communal basis, and in this way removes the two bases of traditional marriage - the dependence rooted in private property, of the women on the man, and of the children on the parents."

The Principles of Communism, Frederick Engels 1847
 
2013-04-09 09:48:16 AM  

hasty ambush: The Principles of Communism, Frederick Engels 1847


Dr. Benjamin Rush, signatory to the Declaration of Independence and a great advocate of public schools:

Let our pupil be taught that he does not belong to himself, but that he is public property. Let him be taught to love his family, but let him be taught at the same time that he must forsake and even forget them when the  welfare of his country requires it."
 
2013-04-09 09:55:58 AM  

DamnYankees: hasty ambush: The Principles of Communism, Frederick Engels 1847

Dr. Benjamin Rush, signatory to the Declaration of Independence and a great advocate of public schools:

Let our pupil be taught that he does not belong to himself, but that he is public property. Let him be taught to love his family, but let him be taught at the same time that he must forsake and even forget them when the  welfare of his country requires it."


He aso advocated advocated Christianity in public life and in education, and sometimes compared himself to the prophet Jeremiah. So we can agree he was not perfect then and migh thhave been wrong on some things- right?
 
2013-04-09 09:56:41 AM  

hasty ambush: So we can agree he was not perfect then and migh thhave been wrong on some things- right?


And Marx and Engels were right on some things as well.
 
2013-04-09 10:08:03 AM  

DamnYankees: hasty ambush: So we can agree he was not perfect then and migh thhave been wrong on some things- right?

And Marx and Engels were right on some things as well.


No, that it is like saying look at all the good Hitler did. Communism is inherently wrong an evil.

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2013-04-09 10:09:55 AM  

hasty ambush: No, that it is like saying look at all the good Hitler did. Communism is inherently wrong an evil.


Oy.
 
2013-04-09 10:25:05 AM  
All ye children belongeth to me

/I am pretty sure I got the conjugation right, considering that the verb "belong" is owned by "me", therefore it would use an "eth". If it were something like "All ye children belongest to thou" then I would be correct on that usage.
 
2013-04-09 10:26:12 AM  

cman: All ye children belongeth to me

/I am pretty sure I got the conjugation right, considering that the verb "belong" is owned by "me", therefore it would use an "eth". If it were something like "All ye children belongest to thou" then I would be correct on that usage.


Oh FFS, I am probably wrong.

It isnt an "eth", it would just be an "e" making it be "belonge"
 
2013-04-09 10:30:01 AM  
The message is clear: Taking children away from their parents will come back to bite us in the end.

When can we fire up those FEMA re education camps?
 
2013-04-09 10:31:13 AM  

hasty ambush: DamnYankees: hasty ambush: So we can agree he was not perfect then and migh thhave been wrong on some things- right?

And Marx and Engels were right on some things as well.

No, that it is like saying look at all the good Hitler did. Communism is inherently wrong an evil.

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Are you aware that both Marx and Engels were strongly in favor of breathing all day, every day?
 
2013-04-09 10:31:52 AM  
I too am shocked and outraged over the concept of a sense of community and a belief that the best environment to raise children is one in which neighbors, friends, and communities look out for one another.

Truly, caring about your neighbors is a collectivist plot designed to sneakily bring communist tyranny and oppression into our society
 
2013-04-09 10:32:37 AM  

Bravo Two: Duplicates? Well, yes, I guess retarded speech does bear repeating on far.


Hey, these are two totally different posts. That last one said, "DURR," but this one says "DURR DURR." See? Totally different messages.
 
2013-04-09 10:32:48 AM  
Plato's Republic?
 
2013-04-09 10:34:37 AM  
The part that is really bothering people is the part where she says we have to get rid of thinking children belong to their parents. Which is true. Parents belong to children, as does the community. Say it that way and it is much more palatable.
 
2013-04-09 10:35:22 AM  
Hey they're my kids and I own them.

Stupid libs always looking for a hand-out.  Money, food, clothes, Obamaphones, kids, etc.  Well these are mine - I earned them.  Go earn your own kids.
 
2013-04-09 10:36:44 AM  

Bravo Two: Duplicates? Well, yes, I guess retarded speech does bear repeating on far.


Yes misinterpreting community involvement and responsibility for owning you children is indeed retarded. But the mouth breathers eat this stuff up.
 
2013-04-09 10:36:58 AM  
GOP,


If you don't want to be part of the village, GTFO.
 
2013-04-09 10:37:44 AM  
It takes a village.


I wonder what the overlap is of people who a) complain about this woman's comments, and; b) tout the virtues of going to church and the sense of community it creates.
 
2013-04-09 10:38:02 AM  
With this and the "Obama waited too long to say something about Thatcher" post I think I can safely assume we are back to the "DIJON MUSTARD!!!!11!!" level of faux outrage from the usual suspects.
 
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2013-04-09 10:39:44 AM  

Fart_Machine: Bravo Two: Duplicates? Well, yes, I guess retarded speech does bear repeating on far.

Yes misinterpreting community involvement and responsibility for owning you children is indeed retarded. But the mouth breathers eat this stuff up.


I imagine it's more that they think they own them, like they would own a dog or a cow.
 
2013-04-09 10:39:57 AM  

DamnYankees: hasty ambush: No, that it is like saying look at all the good Hitler did. Communism is inherently wrong an evil.

Oy.


I don't always (or, really, ever) agree with Hasty Ambush, but when I do, he's still being knee-jerk and ignorant.
 
2013-04-09 10:40:21 AM  

hasty ambush: DamnYankees: hasty ambush: So we can agree he was not perfect then and migh thhave been wrong on some things- right?

And Marx and Engels were right on some things as well.

No, that it is like saying look at all the good Hitler did. Communism is inherently wrong an evil.

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2013-04-09 10:40:24 AM  
Oh boy, another thread. Are some of Fark's giant idiot trolls mad because they missed the last one?

hasty ambush: No, that it is like saying look at all the good Hitler did. Communism is inherently wrong an evil.


Ah, so it is.
 
2013-04-09 10:42:33 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Are you aware that both Marx and Engels were strongly in favor of breathing all day, every day?


I have a number of comrades who are communists, and I can assure both you and hasty ambush that they are all foursquare against driving six-inch spikes into your forehead.
 
2013-04-09 10:43:38 AM  
It does take a village, but the parents themselves are responsible for teaching their children to be decent human beings.
It's not the schools' job to do that.
 
2013-04-09 10:44:14 AM  
Yet the right wing advocates for taking children away from gay parents.
 
2013-04-09 10:46:22 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Yet the right wing advocates for taking children away from gay parents.

 
2013-04-09 10:48:35 AM  
... we've always had a private notion of children, your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. We haven't had a very collective notion of these are our children.

Yes we have. School levies and bond measures require a collective vote. They most often get it and always have. She's just wrong on the point she's trying to make.
 
2013-04-09 10:53:14 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Yet the right wing advocates for taking children away from gay parents.


Stop trying to visualize an overall philosophy for the right wing.

Right wing decision tree for a politician-
  Will this get me votes?
  Will this make me money?

Right wing media decision tree-
  Will this get me ratings and therefore make me more money?

This one falls under the ratings.  Midterms are 18 months away.  Something's gotta get talked about or ratings go in the toilet.
 
2013-04-09 10:53:46 AM  

Alphakronik: GOP,


If you don't want to be part of the village, GTFO.


If the village is being run by sensible people I am all for it.  When it starts being run by the wingnuts or moonbats, I really don't want any part of it.  I do not think this lady's idea of a village is the same as mine.
 
2013-04-09 10:54:54 AM  

pxsteel: wingnuts


Yeah, no one wants you running anything, either.
 
2013-04-09 10:55:25 AM  

It gets better/worse:  Author cites Mediaite citing the OECD, saying that we spend enough on education.  The OECD themselves, right on the front page of their United States section:


The United States should do more to foster innovation and provide more equitable access to high-quality education in order to maintain its status as the world's most vibrant and productive economy, according to OECD's latest Economic Survey of the United States.


Rather funny, that...
 
2013-04-09 10:55:46 AM  
I think you'd be hard pressed to find a point that was verbalized more poorly that she did there.
 
2013-04-09 10:58:37 AM  

hasty ambush: "Democracy would be wholly valueless to the proletariat if it were not immediately used as a means for putting through measures directed against private property and ensuring the livelihood of the proletariat. The main measures, emerging as the necessary result of existing relations, are the following:


(viii) Education of all children, from the moment they can leave their mother's care, in national establishments at national cost. Education and production together. "


"It will transform the relations between the sexes into a purely private matter which concerns only the persons involved and into which society has no occasion to intervene. It can do this since it does away with private property and educates children on a communal basis, and in this way removes the two bases of traditional marriage - the dependence rooted in private property, of the women on the man, and of the children on the parents."

The Principles of Communism, Frederick Engels 1847


Someone advocated for a national education system?  I must have missed that.
Someone advocated for a doing away with private property?  I must have missed that.

Your straw man argument doesn't have a lot of straws.
 
2013-04-09 10:59:02 AM  
Don't forget that MHP is personally responsible for that line of bad code so many have in their programming RE the Trayvon Martin case: "Disregarded the dispatcher and continued pursuit."

She knows her Newspeak.
 
2013-04-09 10:59:26 AM  
If children aren't part of the community then does that mean all children should be abandoned?
 
2013-04-09 11:03:56 AM  
Horseshiat, this is not a repeat. This is a guy saying that Melissa Harris-Perry is emulating 1984. It's a follow-up.
 
2013-04-09 11:10:15 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Philip Francis Queeg: Are you aware that both Marx and Engels were strongly in favor of breathing all day, every day?

I have a number of comrades who are communists, and I can assure both you and hasty ambush that they are all foursquare against driving six-inch spikes into your forehead.


Communists are not people. They do not even have mothers.
 
2013-04-09 11:16:28 AM  

s2s2s2: Don't forget that MHP is personally responsible for that line of bad code so many have in their programming RE the Trayvon Martin case: "Disregarded the dispatcher and continued pursuit."

She knows her Newspeak.


We went over this, and you ended up saying that he had no duty to obey her. That would not make her wrong. You simply cannot provide an explanation why he ended up where Martin was killed unless he continued pursuit.
 
2013-04-09 11:37:11 AM  

s2s2s2: The part that is really bothering people is the part where she says we have to get rid of thinking children belong to their parents. Which is true. Parents belong to children, as does the community. Say it that way and it is much more palatable.


It's more a usufruct than full ownership.
 
2013-04-09 11:37:44 AM  

friday13: It gets better/worse:  Author cites Mediaite citing the OECD, saying that we spend enough on education.  The OECD themselves, right on the front page of their United States section:


The United States should do more to foster innovation and provide more equitable access to high-quality education in order to maintain its status as the world's most vibrant and productive economy, according to OECD's latest Economic Survey of the United States.

Rather funny, that...


Funny how that does not mean spending more money but could mean spending it better. Instead of spending half a billion dollars on single school campus in Los Angeles spend more on what goes on in the classroom. Instead of continuing to spend more and increasing the non-teaching admin-staff focus on actual education. Instead of schools being social welfare progarsms responsible for running day care centers for the spawn of students, handing out condoms and abortion info they could actually worry about education.

Johnny and Jane cannot read but they know the way to Planned Parenthood

Not to mention the BILLIONS stolen from the National School Lunch Program

Instead of teachers getting their collective panties in a bunch over gun shaped pastries, 6 year old boys kissing 6 year old girls and students wearing t-shirts with the American flag they could worry about teaching.

If money were the answer Washington DC would have the best public school system in the nation, if not the world, instead of one of the worse.
 
2013-04-09 12:06:53 PM  

vygramul: We went over this, and you ended up saying that he had no duty to obey her.


Those points don't have to go together. 1. He was under no obligation to stop. 2. According to the tape and transcripts, he did comply. There is no conflict there.

vygramul: You simply cannot provide an explanation why he ended up where Martin was killed unless he continued pursuit.


Fights very seldom stay in one, little spot. And according to your logic, any movement from the end of the phone call can be considered evidence pursuit.

A B C. I start the call at A. I pass B. I end the call at C, and am now on my way back to A. Fight breaks out at B.

Explained.
 
2013-04-09 12:11:50 PM  

hasty ambush: friday13: It gets better/worse:  Author cites Mediaite citing the OECD, saying that we spend enough on education.  The OECD themselves, right on the front page of their United States section:


The United States should do more to foster innovation and provide more equitable access to high-quality education in order to maintain its status as the world's most vibrant and productive economy, according to OECD's latest Economic Survey of the United States.

Rather funny, that...

Funny how that does not mean spending more money but could mean spending it better. Instead of spending half a billion dollars on single school campus in Los Angeles spend more on what goes on in the classroom. Instead of continuing to spend more and increasing the non-teaching admin-staff focus on actual education. Instead of schools being social welfare progarsms responsible for running day care centers for the spawn of students, handing out condoms and abortion info they could actually worry about education.

Johnny and Jane cannot read but they know the way to Planned Parenthood

Not to mention the BILLIONS stolen from the National School Lunch Program

Instead of teachers getting their collective panties in a bunch over gun shaped pastries, 6 year old boys kissing 6 year old girls and students wearing t-shirts with the American flag they could worry about teaching.

If money were the answer Washington DC would have the best public school system in the nation, if not the world, instead of one of the worse.


That'd be nice.  Never gonna happen, tho.  My old math, science, and foreign language teachers will still be stuck working 2 jobs in order to make ends meet because all that money will go to consultants and admin, rather than teachers or students.  Also, part of your "education" to prevent the "welfare handout state" of public schools would be proper sex education, and I'm not talking "abstinence only"
 
2013-04-09 12:13:03 PM  

friday13: hasty ambush: friday13: It gets better/worse:  Author cites Mediaite citing the OECD, saying that we spend enough on education.  The OECD themselves, right on the front page of their United States section:


The United States should do more to foster innovation and provide more equitable access to high-quality education in order to maintain its status as the world's most vibrant and productive economy, according to OECD's latest Economic Survey of the United States.

Rather funny, that...

Funny how that does not mean spending more money but could mean spending it better. Instead of spending half a billion dollars on single school campus in Los Angeles spend more on what goes on in the classroom. Instead of continuing to spend more and increasing the non-teaching admin-staff focus on actual education. Instead of schools being social welfare progarsms responsible for running day care centers for the spawn of students, handing out condoms and abortion info they could actually worry about education.

Johnny and Jane cannot read but they know the way to Planned Parenthood

Not to mention the BILLIONS stolen from the National School Lunch Program

Instead of teachers getting their collective panties in a bunch over gun shaped pastries, 6 year old boys kissing 6 year old girls and students wearing t-shirts with the American flag they could worry about teaching.

If money were the answer Washington DC would have the best public school system in the nation, if not the world, instead of one of the worse.

That'd be nice.  Never gonna happen, tho.  My old math, science, and foreign language teachers will still be stuck working 2 jobs in order to make ends meet because all that money will still go to consultants and admin, rather than teachers or students.  Also, part of your "education" to prevent the "welfare handout state" of public schools would be proper sex education, and I'm not talking "abstinence only"

Goddammit...
 
2013-04-09 12:22:45 PM  

s2s2s2: vygramul: We went over this, and you ended up saying that he had no duty to obey her.

Those points don't have to go together. 1. He was under no obligation to stop. 2. According to the tape and transcripts, he did comply. There is no conflict there.

vygramul: You simply cannot provide an explanation why he ended up where Martin was killed unless he continued pursuit.

Fights very seldom stay in one, little spot. And according to your logic, any movement from the end of the phone call can be considered evidence pursuit.

A B C. I start the call at A. I pass B. I end the call at C, and am now on my way back to A. Fight breaks out at B.

Explained.


Except B is 15 feet off the path from A to C. And the narrative from Zimmerman is that he was jumped and went down immediately, not a prolonged fist-fight that ranged over time and space.
 
2013-04-10 09:18:53 PM  

D135: It takes a village.


I wonder what the overlap is of people who a) complain about this woman's comments, and; b) tout the virtues of going to church and the sense of community it creates.


Probably overlaps at the same spot where people a) totally agree with this woman's comments, and b) decry the virtues of going to church, and the sense of community it creates.

With the Farklibtards, the groups pretty much cover each other up.
 
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