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(FanGraphs)   Worst strike three call in the history of baseball ruins Rangers-Rays game, but we can't automate balls and strikes even though we have the technology because robots are strong and they eat old people's medicine for fuel (with vid)   (fangraphs.com) divider line 144
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2013-04-09 09:55:44 AM
What is it with people who'd rather be angry at machines making mistakes than people?

You really think people will give up arguing about umpiring just because we add a few hundred thousand dollars of equipment to the stadiums?

At least when we holler "kill the umpire", we know he's mortal.
 
2013-04-09 09:56:53 AM
You can't get a call like that wrong. It's not even close
 
2013-04-09 10:00:25 AM
That 2D chart of a 3D strike zone doesn't mean anything.
 
2013-04-09 10:06:16 AM
I don't think this is worse than some of the calls made by the umpire in that Mariners-Angels game back in 1988.
 
2013-04-09 10:07:03 AM
I think this might be the first blown call that is so bad it's impossible for a troll to argue it being a strike. We're looking at Fark history.
 
2013-04-09 10:08:19 AM

JerseyTim: I don't think this is worse than some of the calls made by the umpire in that Mariners-Angels game back in 1988.


Oh yeah, I remember that game. It was like the ump wanted to delay the 7th inning stretch or something
 
2013-04-09 10:09:29 AM
Lets not forget though that the ump missed a call in the previous batter that should have been a called strike three thus ending the game. This call was no where near the worst call in history ( look up the 97 NLCS) and it wouldn't have ever happened if the ump got the first called strike correct.

We complain when they call a strike on an obvious ball, but no one mentioned the strike called a ball a batter earlier...

Subby is butthurt
 
2013-04-09 10:10:00 AM
the bar has been set early, but it most definitely will be cleared by the end of the season.
 
2013-04-09 10:10:11 AM

The Great EZE: I think this might be the first blown call that is so bad it's impossible for a troll to argue it being a strike. We're looking at Fark history.


That's a stretch considering that the article that's linked to is basically a long dissertation on why it's not a horrible call. It was a borderline pitch made to look worse by the catcher's handling of it. If you're down a run with two outs and two strikes in the ninth, you protect the plate.
 
2013-04-09 10:10:46 AM

The Great EZE: I think this might be the first blown call that is so bad it's impossible for a troll to argue it being a strike. We're looking at Fark history.


Just wait until the "human element" scolds come out in full force. They won't need to argue that it's a strike, they'll just say we must preserve the right of umpires to ruin games because of apple pie, the Constitution, and Kenesaw Mountain Landis.
 
2013-04-09 10:12:29 AM
It is a god damned shame all you rule changing efficiency enthusiasts have decided to tweak every other game in the world instead of getting together as a body of experts and inventing the perfect sport with perfect rules from scratch
 
2013-04-09 10:12:42 AM
It got the game over with, so it was the right call. Also, it only ruined it if you're a Tampa Bay fan and if they lose some more games, you'll start talking about how that bridge is hell and you're not really that much of a fan anyway. So, meh.
 
2013-04-09 10:12:51 AM
Wow... did anyone read the article?  I was a catcher in HS and college...  I saw that gif and immediately thought "Pitch wasn't that bad, catcher didn't frame it right"  Whether a pitch is a strike or not has nothing to do where its caught, only were it is when its over the plate.  If you look at the pitch when its at the plate, its a marginal call, but hardly the worst strike ever.

If Molina frames that pitch right and doesn't dive the glove at it, no one notices.
 
2013-04-09 10:12:58 AM
Looked good to me.

It's not like umpires usually call the strike zone as truly defined by the rule book.  Why is that OK, but people want to biatch about this?
 
2013-04-09 10:13:23 AM

Maysin: Lets not forget though that the ump missed a call in the previous batter that should have been a called strike three thus ending the game. This call was no where near the worst call in history ( look up the 97 NLCS) and it wouldn't have ever happened if the ump got the first called strike correct.

We complain when they call a strike on an obvious ball, but no one mentioned the strike called a ball a batter earlier...


So you're saying the MLB shouldn't automate balls and strikes because there was more than one obviously blown calls in the game?

Can't argue with that logic.
 
2013-04-09 10:13:49 AM
BTW, since everyone likes saying it in every other sports thread "Should've done better throughout the game. If you leave it in the hands of the umpires, that's your fault."

If you were up 6-5 no one would've cared about that missed call.
 
2013-04-09 10:16:07 AM
Couldn't watch the Sox opener yesterday but was following on line where they have the zone.  Like I said, didn't get to watch it on TV but it looked like someone had an interest in keeping that game going as Hanrahan  threw two right down the middle that were both called balls (with tying run on 2nd).

//bad calls have always happened, and even with technology they will still happen
 
2013-04-09 10:16:19 AM

MassD: Wow... did anyone read the article?  I was a catcher in HS and college...  I saw that gif and immediately thought "Pitch wasn't that bad, catcher didn't frame it right"  Whether a pitch is a strike or not has nothing to do where its caught, only were it is when its over the plate.  If you look at the pitch when its at the plate, its a marginal call, but hardly the worst strike ever.

If Molina frames that pitch right and doesn't dive the glove at it, no one notices.


Pierzynski.
 
2013-04-09 10:17:08 AM
By the way...  hitter screwed the pooch...  With 1 strike between you and the showers anything even remotely close you pull the trigger and at least try to foul it off.  I was always taught that taking a third strike is evil... so if its close, swing.
 
2013-04-09 10:17:38 AM
If balls and strikes were automated, the game would have been over before Zobrist even got to the plate. But then the ump was denying the corners all game, so who knows what would have happened before THAT.
 
2013-04-09 10:18:02 AM
Uncle Pooky:
Pierzynski.

touche
 
2013-04-09 10:18:42 AM

sigdiamond2000: Maysin: Lets not forget though that the ump missed a call in the previous batter that should have been a called strike three thus ending the game. This call was no where near the worst call in history ( look up the 97 NLCS) and it wouldn't have ever happened if the ump got the first called strike correct.

We complain when they call a strike on an obvious ball, but no one mentioned the strike called a ball a batter earlier...

So you're saying the MLB shouldn't automate balls and strikes because there was more than one obviously blown calls in the game?

Can't argue with that logic.


I am saying that subby is butthurt about the call, and i don't think that automating balls and strikes is the correct answer until you can prove the system is perfect. The automated systems used by Gameday and on broadcasts isn't always perfect and is known to occasionally go on the fritz.
 
2013-04-09 10:19:38 AM
"Worst strike 3 call in baseball history"... didn't we have this conversation last year after a perfect game?

"ruins Rangers-Rays game"... not for me, it didn't!
 
2013-04-09 10:19:50 AM

MassD: Wow... did anyone read the article?  I was a catcher in HS and college...  I saw that gif and immediately thought "Pitch wasn't that bad, catcher didn't frame it right"  Whether a pitch is a strike or not has nothing to do where its caught, only were it is when its over the plate.  If you look at the pitch when its at the plate, its a marginal call, but hardly the worst strike ever.

If Molina frames that pitch right and doesn't dive the glove at it, no one notices.


Molina? Was he standing behind Pierzynski?

/kidding; I know Molina was in the game too. Just not for this pitch.
 
2013-04-09 10:20:11 AM

Rex_Banner: JerseyTim: I don't think this is worse than some of the calls made by the umpire in that Mariners-Angels game back in 1988.

Oh yeah, I remember that game. It was like the ump wanted to delay the 7th inning stretch or something


Was that the one that the Queen attended?
 
2013-04-09 10:20:51 AM
I don't know why the scientists make them.
 
2013-04-09 10:20:52 AM
I hope they do go automatic and someone hacks into them and creates some insane spots, like if you miss the zone by more than 2 feet, it's a strike. Throw behind a batter? Strike. Bounce it through the strike zone? Strike.
 
2013-04-09 10:20:58 AM

Uncle Pooky: MassD: Wow... did anyone read the article?  I was a catcher in HS and college...  I saw that gif and immediately thought "Pitch wasn't that bad, catcher didn't frame it right"  Whether a pitch is a strike or not has nothing to do where its caught, only were it is when its over the plate.  If you look at the pitch when its at the plate, its a marginal call, but hardly the worst strike ever.

If Molina frames that pitch right and doesn't dive the glove at it, no one notices.

Pierzynski.


honest mistake by MassD - if you say Molina you have a good chance of guessing the catcher

//LOL - the Molina's are like the Gramatica family for MLB catchers
 
2013-04-09 10:21:28 AM

bhcompy: Rex_Banner: JerseyTim: I don't think this is worse than some of the calls made by the umpire in that Mariners-Angels game back in 1988.

Oh yeah, I remember that game. It was like the ump wanted to delay the 7th inning stretch or something

Was that the one that the Queen attended?


Indeed. She threw out the first pitch, and that ball had more movement on it than anything I've ever seen. it was unreal
 
2013-04-09 10:23:30 AM

The Great EZE: I think this might be the first blown call that is so bad it's impossible for a troll to argue it being a strike.


No, it's a bad call in an April game. That's why nobody gives a shiat.
 
2013-04-09 10:24:15 AM
Wouldnt it be safer if they used aluminum bats?
 
2013-04-09 10:25:10 AM

swankywanky: Uncle Pooky: MassD: Wow... did anyone read the article?  I was a catcher in HS and college...  I saw that gif and immediately thought "Pitch wasn't that bad, catcher didn't frame it right"  Whether a pitch is a strike or not has nothing to do where its caught, only were it is when its over the plate.  If you look at the pitch when its at the plate, its a marginal call, but hardly the worst strike ever.

If Molina frames that pitch right and doesn't dive the glove at it, no one notices.

Pierzynski.

honest mistake by MassD - if you say Molina you have a good chance of guessing the catcher

//LOL - the Molina's are like the Gramatica family for MLB catchers


The tying run on second base last night for the Rays? C Jose Molina.
 
2013-04-09 10:25:22 AM
Remember folks, one bad call means the entire system if broken and we have to destroy it all.  They fixed the home run issue with replay, and they are close with the line calls and trapped balls. They fixed the bad out calls by saying umps need to conference on obviously blown calls to fix them. Umpires are the last bastion of old school "I'm in the charge and whatever I say goes." attitude left in the sport. It will get better, but saying you need to get rid of umpires all together is an over-action of epic proportions.

How about we just stop paying the games all together and create holograms on the field and play the game through a computer to take the human element out completely.
 
2013-04-09 10:26:34 AM

Uncle Pooky: swankywanky: Uncle Pooky: MassD: Wow... did anyone read the article?  I was a catcher in HS and college...  I saw that gif and immediately thought "Pitch wasn't that bad, catcher didn't frame it right"  Whether a pitch is a strike or not has nothing to do where its caught, only were it is when its over the plate.  If you look at the pitch when its at the plate, its a marginal call, but hardly the worst strike ever.

If Molina frames that pitch right and doesn't dive the glove at it, no one notices.

Pierzynski.

honest mistake by MassD - if you say Molina you have a good chance of guessing the catcher

//LOL - the Molina's are like the Gramatica family for MLB catchers

The tying run on second base last night for the Rays? C Jose Molina.


Box score fail by me. Molina scored the 4th run. My point remains: a Molina was playing catcher last night in the Rays/Rangers game.
 
2013-04-09 10:26:41 AM

Rex_Banner: bhcompy: Rex_Banner: JerseyTim: I don't think this is worse than some of the calls made by the umpire in that Mariners-Angels game back in 1988.

Oh yeah, I remember that game. It was like the ump wanted to delay the 7th inning stretch or something

Was that the one that the Queen attended?

Indeed. She threw out the first pitch, and that ball had more movement on it than anything I've ever seen. it was unreal


That was a great game.  Even the national anthem was memorable.
 
2013-04-09 10:29:03 AM

Uncle Pooky: Uncle Pooky: swankywanky: Uncle Pooky: MassD: Wow... did anyone read the article?  I was a catcher in HS and college...  I saw that gif and immediately thought "Pitch wasn't that bad, catcher didn't frame it right"  Whether a pitch is a strike or not has nothing to do where its caught, only were it is when its over the plate.  If you look at the pitch when its at the plate, its a marginal call, but hardly the worst strike ever.

If Molina frames that pitch right and doesn't dive the glove at it, no one notices.

Pierzynski.

honest mistake by MassD - if you say Molina you have a good chance of guessing the catcher

//LOL - the Molina's are like the Gramatica family for MLB catchers

The tying run on second base last night for the Rays? C Jose Molina.

Box score fail by me. Molina scored the 4th run. My point remains: a Molina was playing catcher last night in the Rays/Rangers game.


point being - there was a Molina!

//wait until they teach their kids the position - they'll leave the Gramatica's behind and become the Sutter family of MLB!
 
2013-04-09 10:30:20 AM

bhcompy: That was a great game.  Even the national anthem was memorable.


Well, Mr. Pallazzo was a world-renowned tenor, after all.
 
2013-04-09 10:32:07 AM

bhcompy: Rex_Banner: bhcompy: Rex_Banner: JerseyTim: I don't think this is worse than some of the calls made by the umpire in that Mariners-Angels game back in 1988.

Oh yeah, I remember that game. It was like the ump wanted to delay the 7th inning stretch or something

Was that the one that the Queen attended?

Indeed. She threw out the first pitch, and that ball had more movement on it than anything I've ever seen. it was unreal

That was a great game.  Even the national anthem was memorable.


I really enjoyed the blooper reel that they showed before the game, too
 
2013-04-09 10:33:58 AM
Isnt it about time we decided once and for all whether pitchers should bat or not?
 
2013-04-09 10:38:54 AM
I think it says something that even Joe Nathan was surprised it was called a strike.  However, the Rangers were going to win anyway, so ...... hold up.... there's a whole website for sports graphs?

Nice knowing you guys bye
 
2013-04-09 10:41:53 AM
Ump either had money riding on the game or really wanted to go home.
 
2013-04-09 10:44:06 AM
It wasn't that bad as call.
 
2013-04-09 10:45:22 AM
No worse than the calls Maddux, Smoltz and Glavine used to get all the time in the 90's.
 
2013-04-09 10:46:08 AM

GoldSpider: It wasn't that bad as call.


... "a" call...
 
2013-04-09 10:51:00 AM
If you don't want to get called out on strikes then you should swing the bat.
 
2013-04-09 10:51:16 AM

MassD: Wow... did anyone read the article?  I was a catcher in HS and college...  I saw that gif and immediately thought "Pitch wasn't that bad, catcher didn't frame it right"  Whether a pitch is a strike or not has nothing to do where its caught, only were it is when its over the plate.  If you look at the pitch when its at the plate, its a marginal call, but hardly the worst strike ever.

If Molina frames that pitch right and doesn't dive the glove at it, no one notices.


That pitch had some sick break to it, elbow-high to below the knees in less than ten feet. Without the benefit of a side view, I'd say it was definitely too close to take at the point where it crossed the plate. A batter has to just dink that off to the side and wait for the next one. And the screenshot is a couple of frames beyond where the ball-strike call should be judged, when it was almost in Pierzynski's glove. The blur is evidence it's tailing away quickly.
 
2013-04-09 10:52:38 AM

Lost Thought 00: Ump either had money riding on the game or really wanted to go home.


or...

Ump is a Roy Halladay fan and was wanting to take the focus off another poor performance.

or...

Ump was dying to get home to watch the NCAABB game.
 
2013-04-09 10:56:29 AM

Maysin: sigdiamond2000: Maysin: Lets not forget though that the ump missed a call in the previous batter that should have been a called strike three thus ending the game. This call was no where near the worst call in history ( look up the 97 NLCS) and it wouldn't have ever happened if the ump got the first called strike correct.

We complain when they call a strike on an obvious ball, but no one mentioned the strike called a ball a batter earlier...

So you're saying the MLB shouldn't automate balls and strikes because there was more than one obviously blown calls in the game?

Can't argue with that logic.

I am saying that subby is butthurt about the call, and i don't think that automating balls and strikes is the correct answer until you can prove the system is perfect. The automated systems used by Gameday and on broadcasts isn't always perfect and is known to occasionally go on the fritz.


Why do we need a perfect system to replace an imperfect one?  As opposed to one which is simply less imperfect?
 
2013-04-09 10:58:19 AM

WTF Indeed: How about we just stop paying the games all together and create holograms on the field and play the game through a computer to take the human element out completely.


No one goes to games to watch an umpire officiate a game.  THAT human element I want out of the game completely.
 
2013-04-09 11:02:44 AM

WTF Indeed: Remember folks, one bad call means the entire system if broken and we have to destroy it all.  They fixed the home run issue with replay, and they are close with the line calls and trapped balls. They fixed the bad out calls by saying umps need to conference on obviously blown calls to fix them. Umpires are the last bastion of old school "I'm in the charge and whatever I say goes." attitude left in the sport. It will get better, but saying you need to get rid of umpires all together is an over-action of epic proportions.

How about we just stop paying the games all together and create holograms on the field and play the game through a computer to take the human element out completely.


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