They got jobbed pretty bad. But it was such a horribly coached game by beilein that you can't complain.

And hardaway blows donkey

Boo hoo they only got called for 150% the fouls Michigan got called for.

/didn't watch the game
//gotta start games a bit before 9:30, guys

Tuned in and out but I saw this along with a couple more calls that were questionable against Michigan, that call was shiat though he got all ball.

I kind of wanted Michigan to win since I hate petrino, he just always seems smarmy, like a used car salesman.

BTW, welcome to the world of refereed sports - they f*ck up blocks all the time.

/in intramurals, I got called for a foul on virtually every clean block I had
//and didn't get called when I actually did foul them and it caused them to miss the shot
///refs suck

That was a poorly refereed game all around, not just against Michigan. Although the worst call of the game by far went against them.

I knew who was going to win the Championship from the previous game when  Wichita State lost the game to a cheating ref and his "change of possession" call.

UM was in the bonus at about the 12:00 mark in the second half.  Louisville wasn't until a minute to go.  Granted, the Burke block/foul was garbage, but so was the little ticky-tack crap they called on Louisville's press early in the second half.

This block wasn't a foul, Dieng's block was a goaltend, and the Michigan kid obviously kicked the ball. Oh, and there wasn't a consistent feel to when a held ball would get whistled as a jump ball.

Those were the big ones I remember. Fairly even farkups against both teams.

So, when does the NCAA discover their Pat Donaghy? Next year? The year after? Or, will it be a suspect conference that always seems to have contenders in the tournament (Oh, hey, Big 10, Big East, wussup?) fess up to unearthing the horrible truth that one -- and only one, mind you, problem's fixed after that -- of their own has been botching games?

markyp09: That was a poorly refereed game all around, not just against Michigan. Although the worst call of the game by far went against them.

Really the Final Four was poorly officiated.  I feel that Michigan managed to benefit slightly from poor officiating against Syracuse and we suffered slightly from it last night.  The bigger program is that the NCAA can't put together a couple ref crews who don't suck donkey balls for the tournament championship.

None of the officiating has been terrible, but it is has been the kind of bad that is annoying in that it breaks the pace of the game and makes it unpleasant to watch due to a steady stream of sucking coming from the officials.

Nope Bavetta wasn't subby, but 2 Big East refs were (Greene and Cahill) and the 3rd (Higgins) is BY FAR the B12 ref who allows the most physical play in the conference.

Honestly the NCAA couldn't have hand picked a more Louisville favorable crew if they had tried.  As I said in the other thread...there is no excuse for the NCAA to pick 2 refs who are affiliated with the Big East to ref that game...and not only did they do that, they picked 3 refs who are well known for allowing physical play.

/And BTW...I don't like either team at all

That was a terrible call, possibly the worst of many bad calls during the game; but on balance I can't say the botched calls went one way more than the other.  Michigan sure can't complain that it had too many fouls called on it, considering Louisville wasn't even in the bonus until Michigan started intentionally fouling late.

Michigan student here.  Yes, that call (and most others in that game) was complete and utter horseshiat.  On the other hand, I refuse to be "that guy" who blames refs for the outcome.  Michigan had missed opportunities and mistakes aplenty, especially in not defending Hancock behind the arc and leaving Spike Albrecht in the game too long when he was obviously tired.

I'll biatch and moan about that block and Dieng's goaltend early in the game that wasn't called, but at the end of the day, I don't think it mattered.  Michigan was the youngest team out of the field of 68---I was amazed they made it as far as they did.  Frankly it's just nice to have something to look forward to in the winter!

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Exactly. Fix.

The championship game was over before it even started.

Frozboz: UM was in the bonus at about the 12:00 mark in the second half.  Louisville wasn't until a minute to go.  Granted, the Burke block/foul was garbage, but so was the little ticky-tack crap they called on Louisville's press early in the second half.

A big fat this. Not to mention McGary had about 10 fouls but was only called for 4 of them.

Muck Fishigan

TheShavingofOccam123: theurge14: [i.imgur.com image 300x344]

Exactly. Fix.

The championship game was over before it even started.

And the worst part about that call was it was probably influenced more by the amount of money Vegas would lose if a number 8 team won that game. And the championship, perhaps.

Millions and millions of dollars were probably saved for the bookies by that cheap, cheating call.

IAmRight: BTW, welcome to the world of refereed sports - they f*ck up blocks all the time.

/in intramurals, I got called for a foul on virtually every clean block I had
//and didn't get called when I actually did foul them and it caused them to miss the shot
///refs suck

I would argue that refs in the college/pro ranks (not your intramural experiences - my refs sucked too) are as good if not better than they were decades ago. They have to make calls in games being played at nearly the speed of sound and it's only recently where the technology is sick and we're noticing the details and nitpicking through super slo-mo and giant HDTV screens.

Still, that UM dude had one hell of a block late in the game last night.

TheShavingofOccam123: And the worst part about that call was it was probably influenced more by the amount of money Vegas would lose if a number 8 team won that game. And the championship, perhaps.

Millions and millions of dollars were probably saved for the bookies by that cheap, cheating call.

That's not how bookies work.

HMS_Blinkin: Michigan student here.  Yes, that call (and most others in that game) was complete and utter horseshiat.  On the other hand, I refuse to be "that guy" who blames refs for the outcome.  Michigan had missed opportunities and mistakes aplenty, especially in not defending Hancock behind the arc and leaving Spike Albrecht in the game too long when he was obviously tired.

I'll biatch and moan about that block and Dieng's goaltend early in the game that wasn't called, but at the end of the day, I don't think it mattered.  Michigan was the youngest team out of the field of 68---I was amazed they made it as far as they did.  Frankly it's just nice to have something to look forward to in the winter!

Ditto. It sucked, but we defied expectations so often that it didn't hurt too bad.  Sure, everyone had another drink while we watched videos of cute animals to take the sting away... but hey, 'til next year.

Wadded Beef: I would argue that refs in the college/pro ranks (not your intramural experiences - my refs sucked too) are as good if not better than they were decades ago.

Oh, I'm not saying they're not.

But basketball is best when you call your own fouls.

But that only works when everyone agrees to not be, and follows through with not being, a whiny c*nt. Which is difficult for people that have played refereed basketball to do.

Frozboz: UM was in the bonus at about the 12:00 mark in the second half.  Louisville wasn't until a minute to go.  Granted, the Burke block/foul was garbage, but so was the little ticky-tack crap they called on Louisville's press early in the second half.

This cannot be stated enough but Michigan fans are being whiny biatches and don't care. Never mind that McGary should have had his 5th called when he tried to use his arm to cut through Behanan's shoulder going after a rebound.

Coach_J: As I said in the other thread...there is no excuse for the NCAA to pick 2 refs who are affiliated with the Big East to ref that game...and not only did they do that, they picked 3 refs who are well known for allowing physical play.

It's not like the NCAA knew which teams were going to be playing in the championship game when the refs were assigned. If Wichita State would have held on to a 12 point lead, then the crew would have been completely unaffiliated with either team, and the only comments ahead of time would have been "hey, these guys will let you play a physical game".

IAmRight: Wadded Beef: I would argue that refs in the college/pro ranks (not your intramural experiences - my refs sucked too) are as good if not better than they were decades ago.

Oh, I'm not saying they're not.

But basketball is best when you call your own fouls.

But that only works when everyone agrees to not be, and follows through with not being, a whiny c*nt. Which is difficult for people that have played refereed basketball to do.

True. With that in mind I'm guffawing over the thought of the two teams refereeing themselves in the final game ("okay guys! Shirts vs. skins!...") as CBS execs, Vegas bookies, etc. look on.

IAmRight: But that only works when everyone agrees to not be, and follows through with not being, a whiny c*nt. Which is difficult for people that have played refereed basketball to do.

And for people in any sport who have more than bragging rights on the line.

I still think Louisville deserved the win, mostly for Beilein's stupidity at the end of both halves, but the officiating was especially atrocious. There is no universe where calling hand check fouls every other possession but allowing judo wrestling and possible manslaughter in the paint should be acceptable.

/Burke got pretty much every call when he drove into the paint, but everyone else on both teams pretty much were fair game to be assaulted.

Well, except Hancock, that is, who not only got away with blatant fouls but apparently can Reggie Miller his way into shooting fouls at will.

Killer Cars: I still think Louisville deserved the win, mostly for Beilein's stupidity at the end of both halves, but the officiating was especially atrocious. There is no universe where calling hand check fouls every other possession but allowing judo wrestling and possible manslaughter in the paint should be acceptable.


yeah, the game seems to have gotten pretty ugly the last few years.  i didn't watch much of last night (first half or so of the second half) but it was pretty physical and there were many calls that should have been made, and in general, it just looked a mix of sloppy shooting and a perhaps overly physical game.  it looked like the first week of December college hoops, not the penultimate game of the season.

Killer Cars: I still think Louisville deserved the win, mostly for Beilein's stupidity at the end of both halves,

Again, college coaches are horrific. Beilein was in the final because Boeheim can't get his team to figure out that they were dominating around the rim, so maybe they should keep doing that. Or because they can't figure out that if you're down 3 with five seconds left, you should probably shoot a three-pointer.

rickythepenguin: not the penultimate game of the season.

Well, it wasn't that. Unless you're talking about the women's title game tonight being the ultimate game.

rickythepenguin: Killer Cars: I still think Louisville deserved the win, mostly for Beilein's stupidity at the end of both halves, but the officiating was especially atrocious. There is no universe where calling hand check fouls every other possession but allowing judo wrestling and possible manslaughter in the paint should be acceptable.


yeah, the game seems to have gotten pretty ugly the last few years.  i didn't watch much of last night (first half or so of the second half) but it was pretty physical and there were many calls that should have been made, and in general, it just looked a mix of sloppy shooting and a perhaps overly physical game.  it looked like the first week of December college hoops, not the penultimate game of the season.

Sorry to go all dictionary-nazi, but the penultimate game was the Syracuse / Michigan game.

Gonz: Coach_J: As I said in the other thread...there is no excuse for the NCAA to pick 2 refs who are affiliated with the Big East to ref that game...and not only did they do that, they picked 3 refs who are well known for allowing physical play.

It's not like the NCAA knew which teams were going to be playing in the championship game when the refs were assigned. If Wichita State would have held on to a 12 point lead, then the crew would have been completely unaffiliated with either team, and the only comments ahead of time would have been "hey, these guys will let you play a physical game".

Ridiculous...no one is complaining if the FF crew doesn't have a ref affiliated with one of the team's conferences, in fact, it would be a good thing that would minimize ref bias.  In the old days the refs were purposefully assigned around conference ties.

They knew that odds on that at least one Big East team would be in the final game when Syracuse and Louisville are on opposite sides of the FF bracket.

There were 3 crews for those 3 games...you put at most one conference affiliated ref per crew and problem is solved.

Any referee coordinator with half a brain could have made it work.

rickythepenguin:
yeah, the game seems to have gotten pretty ugly the last few years.  i didn't watch much of last night (first half or so of the second half) but it was pretty physical and there were many calls that should have been made, and in general, it just looked a mix of sloppy shooting and a perhaps overly physical game.  it looked like the first week of December college hoops, not the penultimate game of the season.

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IAmRight: Again, college coaches are horrific

What's funny to me is that I've slobbered Beilein's nuts in the past because his West Virginia teams always seemed to overachieve to the point of "well, I guess he's an amazing coach".

Maybe Gansey, Pittsnogle, etc were just better players than I gave them credit for, because he X'd and O'd his team out of the championship last night.

Killer Cars: What's funny to me is that I've slobbered Beilein's nuts in the past because his West Virginia teams always seemed to overachieve to the point of "well, I guess he's an amazing coach".

Maybe Gansey, Pittsnogle, etc were just better players than I gave them credit for, because he X'd and O'd his team out of the championship last night.

He also "X'd and O'd" the youngest team in the entire field to the championship game in the first place---a team that you may remember was a popular pick for an early upset.  Beilein made mistakes, but he did an awful lot right this year.

meanmutton: penultimate

i couldn't help myself.  me's trollin.

HMS_Blinkin: Beilein made mistakes, but he did an awful lot right this year.

I agree, but those were some awful eggs he laid last night.

Michigan fan here - I didn't like a lot of the calls, but I didn't like them both ways.

As for the goaltend - I actually don't think that was.  In the college game, isn't it legal to block the ball off the glass if it's not on its way down?  I think it differs from the NBA in that respect.

This was the most annoying kind of officiating - letting mugging go on down low and calling ticky-tack crap on the perimeter.  There should be a special place in basketball hell for refs who call games like that.

rcantley: This was the most annoying kind of officiating - letting mugging go on down low and calling ticky-tack crap on the perimeter. There should be a special place in basketball hell for refs who call games like that.

What, the Big East isn't enough?

rcantley: In the college game, isn't it legal to block the ball off the glass if it's not on its way down? I think it differs from the NBA in that respect.

mmmmmmm....I don't think so.  i think once the ball hits the glass, in both NBA and NCAA, you can't touch it.

i don't think they have the same "cylinder" rule (didn't the NBA change that a couple years ago?) but I think they both have the "glass" rule.

then again, i don't watch a ton of either NBA or NCAA hoops.

What a bunch of whiny babies.
I was rooting for Michigan. Yes, there were some bad calls. There always are. It's the game.
However, the refs have nothing to do with Louisville winning.
It was a great game. The better team won.
End of story.

doubled99: What a bunch of whiny babies.
I was rooting for Michigan. Yes, there were some bad calls. There always are. It's the game.
However, the refs have nothing to do with Louisville winning.
It was a great game. The better team won.
End of story.

Honestly, where is all this alleged Michigan whining coming from?  The consensus, "Yeah, the reffing sucked.  We kind of got the benefit of it against Syracuse, we kind of got the short end against Louisville, it's not why we won the first game and it's not why we lost the second."  Are there some fans whining?  Sure.  Were there Syracuse and Wichita State fans whining?  Of course.  Anytime a team loses a close game, some amount of fans will always piss and moan about officiating.

But then, that reality doesn't fit with the blind Michigan hate that people have because Michigan fans are - what, Michigan grads?  I've never really gotten it.

rcantley: But then, that reality doesn't fit with the blind Michigan hate that people have because Michigan fans are - what, Michigan grads?  I've never really gotten it.

I'm a Michigan hater because of my douchebag college roommate who rooted for Michigan.  I realize that this is a horribly irrational reason and that every team has some douchebags in its fanbase.  I also realize that, 20 years later, maybe I should just move on.  And I'm sure you're a fine and upstanding fellow.  But, seriously, fark your team.