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(Popular Science)   Turns out that all those "brain improvement" games do is make people better at playing brain improvement games. In other news, someone just told Ric Romero about sodoku   (popsci.com) divider line 49
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2013-04-09 09:39:19 AM
Playing games with limited rules and specific goals doesn't make you any smarter when it comes to dealing with life?

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You don't say!
 
2013-04-09 09:50:02 AM
Aww, but I was getting really good.

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2013-04-09 09:57:31 AM
That woman in the commercial is creepy as all hell, it looks like her brain is broken inside
 
2013-04-09 09:59:49 AM
Maybe if you spent a little more time on Lumosity, subby, you'd know it was spelled "sudoko."

/yes, yes, low fruit

If Mensa actually had brains, what they'd be doing is selling endorsements to all these brain-building sites. They could say things like, "average people who use Lumosity for X months increase their statistical odds of being accepted to Mensa by an average of 12 percent" or something like that. That would be a gold mine.
 
2013-04-09 10:34:44 AM
Does Golden Tee count as a brain improving game?  'Cause after 4 beers I rock at that game!
 
2013-04-09 10:41:00 AM
Hey dumbmitter, maybe you should take a brain game that teaches you how to spell soduku.
 
2013-04-09 10:41:38 AM
But those internet IQ tests are bang-on, right?

/is a genyus
 
2013-04-09 10:43:59 AM

Sybarite: Aww, but I was getting really good.


You win for TNG reference
 
2013-04-09 10:44:37 AM
Yup.  Those games that teach you math and vocabulary teach you math and vocabulary that can only be used on those games.  You have to stop using that math and vocabulary when you exit the game.
 
2013-04-09 10:44:53 AM

Sybarite: Aww, but I was getting really good.

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I get that reference!
 
2013-04-09 10:46:37 AM
Oddly as far as "brain improvement" I still oddly enjoy those good old times math worksheets I had to do in school.

Print like 100 or so problems out and have like 1-2 min to do as many as possible. Yay math!
 
2013-04-09 10:47:13 AM

Contribution Corsair: Sybarite: Aww, but I was getting really good.

You win for TNG reference


TNG reference?  That's a reference only to Ashley Judd.
 
2013-04-09 10:47:21 AM
No one's better than anyone else and everyone's the best at everything!
 
2013-04-09 10:48:22 AM
So THESE games only make you better at playing games but FPS games make you a dyed in the wool killer?

Got it!
 
2013-04-09 10:50:04 AM
I tried Lumosity.  Some of the games are fun, some challenging in a good way, and some are downright annoying (the peripheral vision spot the bird game).  But ones like the remembering faces game I think must have at least a bit of carry over.  If you can remember names of cartoon faces, you ought to be able to remember real people yeah?
 
2013-04-09 10:55:33 AM
That's a shame, because I could really use the help.
 
2013-04-09 10:58:32 AM
Sodoku?

Seems that subby needs to play word games

oh wait
it wouldn't have been greenlit otherwise
 
2013-04-09 11:09:44 AM

Pocket Ninja: Maybe if you spent a little more time on Lumosity, subby, you'd know it was spelled "sudoko."

/yes, yes, low fruit

If Mensa actually had brains, what they'd be doing is selling endorsements to all these brain-building sites. They could say things like, "average people who use Lumosity for X months increase their statistical odds of being accepted to Mensa by an average of 12 percent" or something like that. That would be a gold mine.


If Mensa actually had brains, they'd realize that it's cheaper and more fulfilling to pay a hooker to blow you than to join a pretentious group of douches to get your ego stroked.
 
2013-04-09 11:15:58 AM
Cognition is a crucial element in critical thinking.

All games where decisions are made help improve cognitive reasoning. The more focused those games are at providing complex cognitive reasoning, the better they are at stimulating the ability of the brain to make critical decisions.

True, modern American jobs will depend on these skills. Your manufacturing job does not.

I've never met a Dwarf Fortress gamer who was stupid or prone to making poor choices with shallow reasoning.
 
2013-04-09 11:16:56 AM
play DTB.....drink the beer
 
2013-04-09 11:18:58 AM

Carn: I tried Lumosity.  Some of the games are fun, some challenging in a good way, and some are downright annoying (the peripheral vision spot the bird game).  But ones like the remembering faces game I think must have at least a bit of carry over.  If you can remember names of cartoon faces, you ought to be able to remember real people yeah?


I love the spot the bird game.

Its the penguin maze that makes me groan.
 
2013-04-09 11:27:08 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: So THESE games only make you better at playing games but FPS games make you a dyed in the wool killer?

Got it!


There was a study somewhere that determined that there was benefit in playing FPS games in that it improved reaction times in non-game situations such as driving. Damned if I can't find it right now, so citation is needed.
 
2013-04-09 11:27:31 AM
Suppose I do not know the games from several of the companies reviewed, thus I will not speak for them, but practicing any cognitive task over the norm will make you better in this task. If the games are poorly designed, as the majority of products cashing in on trends tend to be poorly designed, then of course you will not be practicing the cognitive task purported. In  No Evidence of Intelligence Improvement After Working Memory Training, the problem appears to be using working memory training as an effort to increase fluid intelligence scores overall; this would assure working memory is not restrictive towards fluid intelligence capacity, whereas facets such as information analysis and processing are still able to throttle.
 
2013-04-09 11:29:23 AM

AFKobel: Carn: I tried Lumosity.  Some of the games are fun, some challenging in a good way, and some are downright annoying (the peripheral vision spot the bird game).  But ones like the remembering faces game I think must have at least a bit of carry over.  If you can remember names of cartoon faces, you ought to be able to remember real people yeah?

I love the spot the bird game.

Its the penguin maze that makes me groan.


Penguin maze actually annoyed the piss out of me too, but at some point it "clicked" for me.  Up and down were never a problem but when it was rotated right or left it took forever.  My brain figured it out (or my fingers did).  Whichever way it's oriented, the arrow keys make him go the same every time.  So you like anchor your middle finger that's on the up arrow to North in the game and eventually it makes those orientations way easier.  I prefer the memory and speed games but I have to pay them money to play again and I didn't keep up with it when I did pay for time.
 
2013-04-09 11:36:41 AM
i48.tinypic.com   i48.tinypic.com   i45.tinypic.com

Mmmmmm....I'm not an expert, but doesn't one of these stimulate neural network growth more than the other?
 
2013-04-09 11:37:46 AM
A few new studies, including one meta-analysis, suggest brain games don't make you any better at anything but playing brain games.


Turns out, "a few new studies suggest" = fact.

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2013-04-09 12:09:06 PM

WhoGAS: If Mensa actually had brains, they'd realize that it's cheaper and more fulfilling to pay a hooker to blow you than to join a pretentious group of douches to get your ego stroked.


Hey there, grumpy gus.  You can always try the entrance test again.
 
2013-04-09 12:12:36 PM
Pretty much any game which makes you think is good for you.

That means from something as simple as crossword puzzles to the complex video games dealing with multi-player combat. While they might not make you smarter, they will increase the ability to process information and, in many instances, learn new things.

People play organized sports. Technically, the vigorous activity makes them physically healthier, makes them think on their feet, teaches them to be team players and burns off aggression. In actuality, professional sports tends to damage the body over time, making it age more quickly from accumulated damage. Boxing encourages the development of Alzheimer's from the brain being banged around in the skull -- but increases the speed and perception of the boxer.

Football players develop spatial recognition skills having to keep an eye on everyone else on the field plus the ball and tend to be able to judge the physical capabilities of an opponent in a very short time. They also accumulate a major amount of soft tissue and skeletal damage from repeated impacts, especially in the area of the joints.

Physically demanding games tend to cause the body to lay down more calcium in the bones, making them harder and strengthening muscles. When not played obsessively or stupidly (Rugby) generating too much violence, they're good for the entire physical state of the players, including the brain.

Chess and checkers encourages you to think in three dimensions. Strategy games teaches you that the most direct way might not be the best. Others develop the ability to think quickly and accurately on your feet when a large volume of information is pouring in.

Yes, you'll become a better player at the games you like, but the overall skills will blend in with your basic knowledge. The more you learn, the more connections form in your brain.

I don't play or like golf. I think it's a waste of greenspace. Yet I have to admit that it takes quite a bit of skill to determine how to hit that tiny ball with a club to make it go exactly where you want it, how to read the lay of the green and even instinctively judge the force of any breeze on the trajectory of the ball.

A lot of computer games teach you to expect the unexpected since they quite often do not follow the laws of real physics or, sometimes, even logic.

People who regularly play games of any form tend to be mentally sharper than those who basically vegetate. Numbers games teach you to add, subtract, multiply and divide faster than you probably did in school. Hidden object and adventure games teach you to look for what is hidden in plain sight or disguised.

A game does not have to be physically demanding to encourage your mental health.

Plus, games provide entertainment value for the players, which translates into pleasure and that encourages better mental health. It doesn't matter if they're group or single player.
 
2013-04-09 12:19:16 PM

keiverarrow: That woman in the commercial is creepy as all hell, it looks like her brain is broken inside


Is it just me, or does it look like she also does the rarely seen Lumosity commercial featuring an old lady as well as the one featuring a young man ?
 
2013-04-09 12:25:09 PM
Hey subby, you misspelled scoobydoo
 
2013-04-09 12:35:09 PM

trappedspirit: WhoGAS: If Mensa actually had brains, they'd realize that it's cheaper and more fulfilling to pay a hooker to blow you than to join a pretentious group of douches to get your ego stroked.

Hey there, grumpy gus.  You can always try the entrance test again.


Obviously not a member, are you?
 
2013-04-09 12:40:27 PM
I would posit playing brain games helps one see the patterns and structure of testing, which helps kids a lot as they go through school.

I don't claim to be the smartest person in the room, and sometimes makes mistakes in these threads, but all my standardized testing is really good.  99 on the ASFAB, 30 on the old ACT, 99th percentile on Iowa testing, etc., all without any prep courses or me thinking I had to do well or die a slow, painful, poor death.  I played a ton of these brain games when I was a kid and just felt like I could see the level of questioning and tendencies of the test to go with  "none of the above" answers.
 
2013-04-09 12:42:10 PM

fickenchucker: ASFAB


Like right there---it's ASVAB...

/memory falters in the 40s, eh?
 
2013-04-09 12:43:25 PM
Oh no! Next you'll tell me Baby Einstein and Beethoven won't make my kid smarter!
 
2013-04-09 12:45:29 PM

trappedspirit: WhoGAS: If Mensa actually had brains, they'd realize that it's cheaper and more fulfilling to pay a hooker to blow you than to join a pretentious group of douches to get your ego stroked.

Hey there, grumpy gus.  You can always try the entrance test again.


As someone who would be well above Mensa's cutoff...

Mensa is a joke. Maybe a good idea, but poorly executed. Just a bunch of people who scored well on a test but are generally otherwise crazy. It takes some crazy to demand recognition just for being above average.
 
2013-04-09 12:47:06 PM

Elegy: Playing games with limited rules and specific goals doesn't make you any smarter when it comes to dealing with life?


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/hot
//explains some things
 
2013-04-09 12:59:37 PM
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...is now over
 
2013-04-09 01:02:30 PM
I've been enjoying luminosity. It hasn't given me super powers or anything. Which is kind of a rip-off. Then again, I'm not using it because I want to pass an exam, I'm using it because I felt like I was getting dumber. Slower. Less logical. So now I do a few minutes of luminosity in those areas. Maybe it helps, maybe nothing's changed at all, but at least my brain is being stimulated. No complaints here.
 
2013-04-09 01:05:30 PM

powhound: [i48.tinypic.com image 320x213]   [i48.tinypic.com image 267x189]   [i45.tinypic.com image 224x222]

Mmmmmm....I'm not an expert, but doesn't one of these stimulate neural network growth more than the other?


The neural network paradigm is old and busted.
 
2013-04-09 01:06:27 PM

AFKobel: Carn: I tried Lumosity.  Some of the games are fun, some challenging in a good way, and some are downright annoying (the peripheral vision spot the bird game).  But ones like the remembering faces game I think must have at least a bit of carry over.  If you can remember names of cartoon faces, you ought to be able to remember real people yeah?

I love the spot the bird game.

Its the penguin maze that makes me groan.


I only don't like the penguin maze one because I know it's going to be about 10-15 minutes before it actually gets challenging. The one that I really don't like is the "raining math problems" one. I'm not very good at math (which is why I do that one almost every time I play), so that makes me feel especially stupid. I kick 7 shades of ass at the "word bubbles" ones, though. I know me some farking words.
 
2013-04-09 01:22:25 PM

mooseyfate: I've been enjoying luminosity. It hasn't given me super powers or anything. Which is kind of a rip-off. Then again, I'm not using it because I want to pass an exam, I'm using it because I felt like I was getting dumber. Slower. Less logical. So now I do a few minutes of luminosity in those areas. Maybe it helps, maybe nothing's changed at all, but at least my brain is being stimulated. No complaints here.



I've been enjoying luminosity as well. I find it difficult to get anything done in the dark.
 
2013-04-09 01:44:23 PM
Wait until they figure out the same is true of the entire educational system.

LOL
 
2013-04-09 02:12:37 PM

Sybarite: mooseyfate: I've been enjoying luminosity. It hasn't given me super powers or anything. Which is kind of a rip-off. Then again, I'm not using it because I want to pass an exam, I'm using it because I felt like I was getting dumber. Slower. Less logical. So now I do a few minutes of luminosity in those areas. Maybe it helps, maybe nothing's changed at all, but at least my brain is being stimulated. No complaints here.


I've been enjoying luminosity as well. I find it difficult to get anything done in the dark.


The sun can go fark itself.
 
2013-04-09 02:21:16 PM

mooseyfate: AFKobel: Carn: I tried Lumosity.  Some of the games are fun, some challenging in a good way, and some are downright annoying (the peripheral vision spot the bird game).  But ones like the remembering faces game I think must have at least a bit of carry over.  If you can remember names of cartoon faces, you ought to be able to remember real people yeah?

I love the spot the bird game.

Its the penguin maze that makes me groan.

I only don't like the penguin maze one because I know it's going to be about 10-15 minutes before it actually gets challenging. The one that I really don't like is the "raining math problems" one. I'm not very good at math (which is why I do that one almost every time I play), so that makes me feel especially stupid. I kick 7 shades of ass at the "word bubbles" ones, though. I know me some farking words.


Yeah, that's what I meant about the penguin one.  I get a score in the 90,000's these days (I don't know if that's good) but it takes soooooo long.
 
2013-04-09 02:49:55 PM

WhoGAS: trappedspirit: WhoGAS: If Mensa actually had brains, they'd realize that it's cheaper and more fulfilling to pay a hooker to blow you than to join a pretentious group of douches to get your ego stroked.

Hey there, grumpy gus.  You can always try the entrance test again.

Obviously not a member, are you?

 
2013-04-09 02:51:34 PM

LavenderWolf: As someone who would be well above Mensa's cutoff...


Well, at least you got that out there for us all to look at

Mensa is a joke. Maybe a good idea, but poorly executed. Just a bunch of people who scored well on a test but are generally otherwise crazy. It takes some crazy to demand recognition just for being above average.

Show me on this doll where Mensa touched you.
 
2013-04-09 03:04:18 PM
Sudoku, because crosswords are too hard.
 
2013-04-09 03:37:10 PM

WhippingBoy: No one's better than anyone else and everyone's the best at everything!


This quote from Skinner happens to be my favoritest thing of all time ever uttered on the idiot box.

+1 to you, fine sir.
 
2013-04-09 10:42:54 PM
This might be too much info, but I like to knock out a quick sudoku game on the tablet when occupied on the porcelain convenience.
It always makes me feel better.

The android version by urban artfx is the best
 
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