Star, you ignorant slut.

My aunt posted a (copied and pasted) missive on Facebook last night about how Django Unchained was a pro-Republican movie (she called it "Freedom-Loving" of course) and that DiCaprio's character was clearly a Democrat since he kept the black people enslaved and exploited them for his own gains, whereas Waltz's character was a true Republican who worked hard and gave Foxx's character a job to better himself and earn his own money and  Foxx could have even opened his own bounty hunter business with the skills he learned thanks to Waltz's "hand up, not a hand out." Plus, "Waltz's character killed all those Klansmen and we ALL know the KKK is 100% Democrat."

Of course, she also firmly believes that the Matrix is about socialism and that Star Trek: TNG reflects a true Libertarian ideal.

We're looking into nursing homes under investigation by the state.

Well, to be fair, back in that era, Democrats and Republicans were the opposite of what they are now.

/ideological shifts, how do they work?

Mr. Coffee Nerves: My aunt posted a (copied and pasted) missive on Facebook last night about how Django Unchained was a pro-Republican movie (she called it "Freedom-Loving" of course) and that DiCaprio's character was clearly a Democrat since he kept the black people enslaved and exploited them for his own gains, whereas Waltz's character was a true Republican who worked hard and gave Foxx's character a job to better himself and earn his own money and  Foxx could have even opened his own bounty hunter business with the skills he learned thanks to Waltz's "hand up, not a hand out." Plus, "Waltz's character killed all those Klansmen and we ALL know the KKK is 100% Democrat."

Of course, she also firmly believes that the Matrix is about socialism and that Star Trek: TNG reflects a true Libertarian ideal.

We're looking into nursing homes under investigation by the state.

So, putting your gran in a hell hole in the hopes that she'll be offed is somehow the right thing to do? You may not agree with her, but she has the right to her opinion.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: and that Star Trek: TNG reflects a true Libertarian ideal.

That was so stupid I think it gave me cancer!

Bravo Two: Well, to be fair, back in that era, Democrats and Republicans were the opposite of what they are now.

/ideological shifts, how do they work?

So then, "Liberal Democrat" would be incorrect.

As a liberal democrat, I fantasize about enslaving right wing nuts in education camps.

Bravo Two: Mr. Coffee Nerves: My aunt posted a (copied and pasted) missive on Facebook last night about how Django Unchained was a pro-Republican movie (she called it "Freedom-Loving" of course) and that DiCaprio's character was clearly a Democrat since he kept the black people enslaved and exploited them for his own gains, whereas Waltz's character was a true Republican who worked hard and gave Foxx's character a job to better himself and earn his own money and  Foxx could have even opened his own bounty hunter business with the skills he learned thanks to Waltz's "hand up, not a hand out." Plus, "Waltz's character killed all those Klansmen and we ALL know the KKK is 100% Democrat."

Of course, she also firmly believes that the Matrix is about socialism and that Star Trek: TNG reflects a true Libertarian ideal.

We're looking into nursing homes under investigation by the state.

So, putting your gran in a hell hole in the hopes that she'll be offed is somehow the right thing to do? You may not agree with her, but she has the right to her opinion.

No, I'm with Coffee Nerves on this one.  Stick her in the hole, less likely to hurt herself or anyone else if she's down there yelling at rocks.

Bravo Two: Well, to be fair, back in that era, Democrats and Republicans were the opposite of what they are now.

yes, but the words "liberal" and "conservative" don't change.

so one could say that they were run by "conservative democrats," perhaps. still, it's a stretch.

but what she's doing is what many a fark independent™ has attempted to do in these threads - to link the modern democratic party with the pre-1965 "dixiecrat" democratic party of the "solid south." which is complete and utter bullshiat, and i'm guessing she knows it. hannity certainly does.

During the time of slavery, Democrats did indeed own slaves and Republicans wanted to end slavery. Party roles were more or less reversed back then, it is true.

But to say they were "liberal" Democrats is completely wrong and makes the argument worthy of ridicule.

Back then the Republicans were the "Progressives" and the Democrats were the "Conservatives"

Republicans were for things like women's rights and abolition.

FlashHarry: but what she's doing is what many a fark independent™ has attempted to do in these threads - to link the modern democratic party with the pre-1965 "dixiecrat" democratic party of the "solid south." which is complete and utter bullshiat, and i'm guessing she knows it. hannity certainly does.

I see this trope all the time.  The "Southern Strategy" was a fiction and segregationist and Jim Crow fanboi Strom Thurmond (D-SC) was as much a liberal democrat as Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama or Nancy Pelosi.  Now, Strom Thurmond (R-SC) was a stalwart of American Patriotism of course.

They really love to claim MLK as one of their own... that union-bashing, tax-hating, minority-alienating legend that he was.

vernonFL: Back then the Republicans were the "Progressives" and the Democrats were the "Conservatives"

Republicans were for things like women's rights and abolition.

Well, and then there are these nuggets...

Bloody William: Star, you ignorant slut reactionary ass

FTFY?

PreMortem: As a liberal democrat, I fantasize about enslaving right wing nuts in education camps.

Isn't that cruel to the educators?

Back then, the Republicans were the party of trampling States' Rights and killing hundreds of thousands of Southern conservative Christian white men.

Bravo Two: Well, to be fair, back in that era, Democrats and Republicans were the opposite of what they are now.

/ideological shifts, how do they work?

this.  the south used to be all democrat.

DROxINxTHExWIND: ...And if I call her an Uncle Tom, then I'm the bad guy. I hope she got a nice pat on the head for that.

Nah, you'd just be a sexist.

// what is the female equivalent? Aunt Jemima?
// but it is pretty textbook - go all Ruckus in the hopes that Whitey McFoksnus invites you back for more "insight" into how Democrats REALLY view black people
// I know I only support equal rights in the hopes that no gang-bangin NBA star steals my stereo

Everyone knows that fighting to keep your slaves on the slave plantation, and your way of life same as it ever was, with an almost feudal aristorcatic social structure is almost BY DEFINITION...Liberal.  iconoclastically Liberal.

It's the damn Northern abolitionists trying to subvert God's natural order into a new age that are true cautions Conservatives.

DROxINxTHExWIND: SlothB77: Bravo Two: Well, to be fair, back in that era, Democrats and Republicans were the opposite of what they are now.

/ideological shifts, how do they work?

this.  the south used to be all democrat.

And the Seattle Seahawks used to be in the AFC.

I hope nobody wastes time explaining Dixiecrats to you, as if you're clueless about it. I hate threadshiatters.

/Can never have honest debate around here anymore

Dixiecrats didn't exist at the time of slavery.

Philip Francis Queeg: CheatCommando: At one point, conservatism was strictly anti-war and opposed to a standing military.

When was this?

Probably not anytime in modern politics, but I can imagine a desire to not get involved in anything that could upset the country (like allying into an existing war) being a "conservative" position.

Today's authoritarian, paternalist, jingoistic conservatives would never stand for it.  Fear, dominance and loyalty are what seems to drive people into the Republican Party today.

Arkanaut: FlashHarry: yes, but the words "liberal" and "conservative" don't change.

I don't know about "change", but they certainly mean different things in different contexts.  For example the Liberal Democratic Party of Japan is considered a conservative party, and the Liberal Party of Australia is considered center-right.  In former Communist countries, "conservatives" are the ex-Communists (or current communists, if the party still exists in the country) and liberals are the rightists.  Also, it was kind of interesting watching Lincoln and hearing Preston Blair describe the Republican Party as a "conservative Abolitionist party", which happened to have a radical wing led by Thaddeus Stevens who wanted to basically take all the slaveowners' estates and redistribute them.

you just made my point.

i should have said that the meaning of the words - or their concepts - do not change. but, yes, calling yourself 'liberal' or 'conservative' doesn't mean that you are those things. just ask the people of the democratic people's republic of korea, which is neither democratic nor a republic (nor the people's, for that matter).