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2013-04-09 01:35:05 PM  

Tatterdemalian: No, FARK's "no politics allowed" days are scheduled only for when liberals are doing something embarrassing.


That or some random Friday night when Drew is wasted beyond all belief.
 
2013-04-09 01:36:30 PM  

Infinity370: You all celebrated when Chavez died


Of course we did. The world is better off without some people. We also celebrated when Ted Kennedy died, and all of you lost your shiat. That is why people are saying "stay classy."

"Pointing out hypocrisy is hypocrisy" is no more valid than "pointing out racism is racism."
 
2013-04-09 01:45:33 PM  

umad: Infinity370: You all celebrated when Chavez died

Of course we did. The world is better off without some people. We also celebrated when Ted Kennedy died, and all of you lost your shiat. That is why people are saying "stay classy."

"Pointing out hypocrisy is hypocrisy" is no more valid than "pointing out racism is racism."


speak for yourself
 
2013-04-09 01:48:18 PM  
Progressive/Socialist  HATE is unlike any other

/thrive on hate
 
2013-04-09 01:48:23 PM  

lordaction: More proof on how intolerant and sexist the leftists really are.


Because criticism of one woman means you hate them all? What are you? A FeminaziTM?

You can sure pack a lot of logical fallacies in one little sentence.

Unpacking, it basically says:

All leftists are intolerant and sexist.

I doubt if you could say that of Nazis or bigoted right-wing nuns, let alone liberals. They may be rare, but some Nazis were feminists, and some bigoted right-wing nuns are feminists of a sort as well.

An additional bonus fallacy of special pleading is committed if you ignore how many conservatives are intolerant and sexist. It is beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt, a larger percentage of conservatives than liberals. Liberals are supposed to be tolerant and non-sexist. No doubt some fail but conservatives hold inherently intolerant and distrustful views of humanity, let alone women. It's tradition. It's also inherent in the conservative ideology (insofar as the various groups of people who shelter under that label have anything in common).

Take Hilary Clinton ... please! (rimshot)

Speaking for myself, as a dyed in the wool, registered Thatcher-Hater, there are plenty of women, even obnoxious women, whose qualities I respect.

Laura Bush is charming even if she married George Bush, but Ma Bush is a battleax in any political camp.

Hilary Clinton is abrasive and annoying, but she has some admirable qualities and thus even Republicans might occasionally respect her authoritah. Olympia Snow does not raise my ire whether she is a liberal or conservative, and she has voted as both. Although a Conservative and Texan, you can't help liking the late maverick Governor Ann Richards, even though it was not she who came up with the quip about George H.W. Bush Sr. being born with a silver foot in his mouth (she admitted she was quoting someone else).

In my native Province, the former Mayor of Saint John, MP, and erstwhile half of the Conservative Rump left when the Conservative Party collapsed to a historic low of two MPs, Elsie Wayne is a rabid reactionary on social issues, but has been occasionally quite amusing and shown great spunk. She once dressed as a (male) waiter to get into an event that was closed to her as a woman. And she has a formidable collection of tacky Christmas sweaters, some of which light up. You have to respect her moxy even if you deplore her stupidity. No liberal that I know of has a problem with Mary Robinson of Ireland or Mrs. Brundtland of Norway.

People who dislike Lucretia Borgia, Carrie Nation, or the fictional Lady MacBeth don't necessarily disrespect Florence Nightingale, Madame Curie, or Queen Victoria.

Everybody found Bella Abzug somewhat funny, but that doesn't mean that the whole female sex is funny, or that feminists are funny, or Jews are funny (although you might get a pass for that last one) and it doesn't mean that she was not a lady of some worthy qualities. A sizeable miniority of the female sex is less charming than Ann Coulter. They must number in their scores. But what one feels about Ann Coulter does not translate to her sex or ELSE THE FARKING HUMAN RACE WOULD BE LONG EXTINCT.

It's arrant nonsense to claim that one side of a partisan divide bases its antipathies entirely on the sex or race of their opponents and enemies, even when that side of the partisan divide is notoriously gynophobic, sexist, chauvinistic, bigoted, and racist, as American Conservatives have long been. Some liberal and moderate conservatives, at least, are smart enough not to put down women. They wisely fear them. Even a stupid woman can be a relentless and dangerous adversary.

I refuse to allow any person to equate my well-grounded loathing of that biatch Ann Coulter with a universal gynophobia or even a universal loathing of specifically conservative women or conservatives generally. It isn't strong conservative women who are hated. It is evil Conservative women. It is stupid conservative women. And Ann Coulter is evil and shamelessly and unrelentingly partisan above and beyond the call of duty, or common sense, or reason. She is inherently hateful because she is a professional hater and attention-whore. A website that ranked political pundits on their partisanship found she was the most extremely partisan conservative, with Paul Krugman as the most extremely partisan liberal. But Paul Krugman is a pussy cat compared to Ann Coulter. He may be a partisan but he is also a thinker and reasonably polite and honest.

It as as absurd to claim that the intense dislike that Margaret Thatcher continues to inspire (even among Conservatives, and for that matter, her own former cabinet minister and her own sex) is the product of sexism as it is to claim that antipathy to Adolf Hitler is a product of anti-Germanism or an antipathy to Pol Pot's genocidal policies is pure hatred of, let's say Buddhism or Cambodians or socialism. I doubt if he was even a bad Buddhist. He certainly wasn't a Good Buddhist. He wasn't even a Good Socialist. He was pure evil, like newspaper comics.

Thatcher's strengths were also her vices. She was fearless and strong, but she was a bully. She was moral but she came off as self-righteous, hectoring, a Church Lady. She was sincere in her conservatism, but her conservatism was callous, intolerant and judgmental. She was "patriotic" but also jingoist and chauvinistic, a Little Englander heart, mind, body and soul.

She was larger than life, but like the heroes and heroines of a Greek Tragedy, she was possessed by a tragic flaw that made her a tragic hero--certainly tragic for anybody who got in front of the wheels of her chariot. To those she was Juggernaut, the Destroyer of Worlds.
 
2013-04-09 01:50:29 PM  
Bungles:
You clearly have no idea why Right-to-Buy became a disaster, or even understand why it's controversial.

Actually, I have a great idea. We did an equivalent thing here in the US, and it ended up with the same results - a temporary housing bubble, a whole lot of poor people living in houses they couldn't afford, and a bad economy. The Brits did it by selling old housing at low prices.

We did it by "encouraging" banks to loan money to people too poor to actually own homes, instead of selling them a bunch of government-owned flats at below-market prices (which led to speculation and a housing bubble, along with a bunch of temporarily-middle-class people who then wasted all of that money).

It was the same intended result - and ended up with the same unfortunate (and predictable) end.
 
2013-04-09 01:54:21 PM  

cirby: It was the same intended result - and ended up with the same unfortunate (and predictable) end.


Just wait until the education bubble pops...
 
2013-04-09 01:58:09 PM  
Ha! I saw conservatives cheering the fact that Andy-farking-Griffith died and calling him a commie because they found out he was a lifelong liberal and did TV spots supporting "Obamacare."
 
2013-04-09 02:01:00 PM  
fark the liberal douches on Fark.
 
2013-04-09 02:01:45 PM  
HAHHAHAAAAHA

fark you Maggie I hope you are rotting in imaginary hell with Reagan
 
2013-04-09 02:01:54 PM  

technicolor-misfit: Ha! I saw conservatives cheering the fact that Andy-farking-Griffith died and calling him a commie because they found out he was a lifelong liberal and did TV spots supporting "Obamacare."


I always heard Andy Griffith was a huge asshole.
 
2013-04-09 02:03:05 PM  

brantgoose: lordaction: More proof on how intolerant and sexist the leftists really are.

Because criticism of one woman means you hate them all? What are you? A FeminaziTM?

You can sure pack a lot of logical fallacies in one little sentence.

Unpacking, it basically says:

All leftists are intolerant and sexist.

I doubt if you could say that of Nazis or bigoted right-wing nuns, let alone liberals. They may be rare, but some Nazis were feminists, and some bigoted right-wing nuns are feminists of a sort as well.

An additional bonus fallacy of special pleading is committed if you ignore how many conservatives are intolerant and sexist. It is beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt, a larger percentage of conservatives than liberals. Liberals are supposed to be tolerant and non-sexist. No doubt some fail but conservatives hold inherently intolerant and distrustful views of humanity, let alone women. It's tradition. It's also inherent in the conservative ideology (insofar as the various groups of people who shelter under that label have anything in common).

Take Hilary Clinton ... please! (rimshot)

Speaking for myself, as a dyed in the wool, registered Thatcher-Hater, there are plenty of women, even obnoxious women, whose qualities I respect.

Laura Bush is charming even if she married George Bush, but Ma Bush is a battleax in any political camp.

Hilary Clinton is abrasive and annoying, but she has some admirable qualities and thus even Republicans might occasionally respect her authoritah. Olympia Snow does not raise my ire whether she is a liberal or conservative, and she has voted as both. Although a Conservative and Texan, you can't help liking the late maverick Governor Ann Richards, even though it was not she who came up with the quip about George H.W. Bush Sr. being born with a silver foot in his mouth (she admitted she was quoting someone else).

In my native Province, the former Mayor of Saint John, MP, and erstwhile half of the Conservative Rump left when the Conser ...


Can I have some of your Adderall?
 
2013-04-09 02:04:17 PM  

technicolor-misfit: Ha! I saw conservatives cheering the fact that Andy-farking-Griffith died and calling him a commie because they found out he was a lifelong liberal and did TV spots supporting "Obamacare."


I saw you call for the execution of right wingers so STFU. How's that?
 
2013-04-09 02:06:59 PM  

brantgoose: Because criticism of one woman means you hate them all?


Absolutely. For precedence, see the "if you disagree with a black president then you hate black people" common-law that went into effect in 2008. Since it is illegal to discriminate, the law applies to all minorities, including women.
 
2013-04-09 02:10:37 PM  

cirby: We did it by "encouraging" banks to loan money to people too poor to actually own homes, instead of selling them a bunch of government-owned flats at below-market prices (which led to speculation and a housing bubble, along with a bunch of temporarily-middle-class people who then wasted all of that money).


Ah yes, this debunked derp again.

Anything to get peoples eyes off of the fact the GOP drafted the repeal of Glass-Stegal huh?
 
2013-04-09 02:11:13 PM  

ElPresidente: [fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net image 300x450]


Looks like the unemployment lines before Thatcher took office
 
2013-04-09 02:13:09 PM  

enik: Liberals are classy and not at all vindictive.


I had a lot of respect for Eisenhower.

Not so much for conservatives who raped the wider economy for the betterment of a few.

I'm vindictive based upon what she did not who she was.
 
2013-04-09 02:14:46 PM  

skullkrusher: technicolor-misfit: Ha! I saw conservatives cheering the fact that Andy-farking-Griffith died and calling him a commie because they found out he was a lifelong liberal and did TV spots supporting "Obamacare."

I saw you call for the execution of right wingers so STFU. How's that?



Well, that's just good policy.
 
2013-04-09 02:14:55 PM  
Hey, cool! STRAWMAN PARTY!
 
2013-04-09 02:16:19 PM  

cirby: Bungles:
You clearly have no idea why Right-to-Buy became a disaster, or even understand why it's controversial.

Actually, I have a great idea. We did an equivalent thing here in the US, and it ended up with the same results - a temporary housing bubble, a whole lot of poor people living in houses they couldn't afford, and a bad economy. The Brits did it by selling old housing at low prices.

We did it by "encouraging" banks to loan money to people too poor to actually own homes, instead of selling them a bunch of government-owned flats at below-market prices (which led to speculation and a housing bubble, along with a bunch of temporarily-middle-class people who then wasted all of that money).

It was the same intended result - and ended up with the same unfortunate (and predictable) end.


The fatal flaw in the UK system was the total failure to replenish the public housing stock sold.

The issue in the UK was nothing like the US. It had nothing to do with people not repaying their mortgages.

It was totally unlike the US catastrophe.
 
2013-04-09 02:16:39 PM  
You mean, people who suffered mightily under her tyrannical rule are classless for mocking her in death and not, say, drawing and quartering her?  I could certianly think of worse things to do with mad maggie's corpse.
 
2013-04-09 02:20:45 PM  

MyRandomName: Esc7: Again, apparently I'm the libbiest lib in the world for not adoring Margret Thatcher.

I may respect her for being England's first woman prime minister, and having the resolve to more or less successfully win the Falkland's War.  But her economic philosophy is not popular with me and her actions implementing it were horrid.

But since I'm not falling over myself lionizing her I'm a lib and all libs are classless.

You ever stop and wonder WHY people hate her?  WHY so many people don't like her or other conservative policies?

It's so unfair!  We hate things that harm us!  We should be so much more respectful of those that spit in our faces, take our money for the rich, tell us we're going to hell, question our patriotism and make our lives worse!

Are you intentionally ignoring the economic state of britain prior to her election when talking down her economic views? She improved that country economically.


Facts have no place on FARK, you newhere or something?
 
2013-04-09 02:21:58 PM  
Wow, did they have little parties each time she had a stroke?  How much of a bother was she being last week?
 
2013-04-09 02:23:30 PM  

Joe Blowme: MyRandomName: Esc7: Again, apparently I'm the libbiest lib in the world for not adoring Margret Thatcher.

I may respect her for being England's first woman prime minister, and having the resolve to more or less successfully win the Falkland's War.  But her economic philosophy is not popular with me and her actions implementing it were horrid.

But since I'm not falling over myself lionizing her I'm a lib and all libs are classless.

You ever stop and wonder WHY people hate her?  WHY so many people don't like her or other conservative policies?

It's so unfair!  We hate things that harm us!  We should be so much more respectful of those that spit in our faces, take our money for the rich, tell us we're going to hell, question our patriotism and make our lives worse!

Are you intentionally ignoring the economic state of britain prior to her election when talking down her economic views? She improved that country economically.

Facts have no place on FARK, you newhere or something?



The "facts" seem to be that British people, who actually experienced her, often despise her.

Americans, who have some sort of mythical Vaseline image of her, liked her.


Nobody is arguing that 70s Britain was sunshine and roses, but that has little to do with Thatcher's ideological crusade.
 
2013-04-09 02:24:11 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Glass-Stegal


Thank god Clinton wasnt president and had to sign such an evil pos bill right?
 
2013-04-09 02:26:58 PM  

Bungles: Nobody is arguing that 70s Britain was sunshine and roses, but that has little to do with Thatcher's ideological crusade


Of course not, she was just a figure head with no power who did nothing to help anyone, i think she even ate a baby or 2
 
2013-04-09 02:27:49 PM  
Esc7: It's so unfair!  We hate things that harm us!  We should be so much more respectful of those that spit in our faces, take our money for the rich, tell us we're going to hell, question our patriotism and make our lives worse!

/Bears repeating.
//When they ignore your response, that's how you know you're right.
 
2013-04-09 02:28:32 PM  

Joe Blowme: Mrtraveler01: Glass-Stegal

Thank god Clinton wasnt president and had to sign such an evil pos bill right?


So you agree with me that it was as much Clinton's fault as it was the House Republicans fault for getting this repealed then?
 
2013-04-09 02:32:15 PM  

Joe Blowme: Bungles: Nobody is arguing that 70s Britain was sunshine and roses, but that has little to do with Thatcher's ideological crusade

Of course not, she was just a figure head with no power who did nothing to help anyone, i think she even ate a baby or 2



The solution to the 70s malaise wasn't sacking 2/3rds of the people in a town, instituting generational poverty.
 
2013-04-09 02:36:20 PM  

Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.


Thatcher called America the devil?
 
2013-04-09 02:37:56 PM  
Awwww... saw the headline and I thought it was referring to my 7th grade Algebra teacher...
 
2013-04-09 02:40:23 PM  

cirby: Actually, I have a great idea. We did an equivalent thing here in the US, and it ended up with the same results - a temporary housing bubble, a whole lot of poor people living in houses they couldn't afford, and a bad economy. The Brits did it by selling old housing at low prices.

We did it by "encouraging" banks to loan money to people too poor to actually own homes,


This bullshat again.

If by "we" you mean "private banks that bundled those loans into private securities," and "too poor" you mean "not actually poor, but couldn't afford the loan obligations in a declining market (middle-class with ARMs, speculators, etc)...
 
2013-04-09 02:41:27 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher called America the devil?


She called the protesting miners "the enemy within".
 
2013-04-09 02:42:06 PM  
Oh no!  The Irish will get drunk now!!
 
2013-04-09 02:42:37 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: He provided free heating oil to the United States.  Citizens Energy, run by Joe Kennedy, ran ads about this on TV here in the Northeast, where heating oil is pretty commonplace.


Sure he did.  After 90% of the population stopped going to his gas stations.
Often times, in order to get customers or attract good publicity..companies, despots give out free shiat.
 
2013-04-09 02:46:14 PM  

Norfolking Chance: The entire country was up shiat creek with rampant unemployment

.

This part is categorically false. The unemployment rate before the 1979 election was 6%, which to be fair was high by post-war standards. The immediate effect of Thatcher's policies was to double that to more that 12%. She then spent the rest of her reign redefining unemployment and otherwise fiddling with the stats. One of the more creative idea was to shove people onto incapacity benefit, so that they no longer counted as unemployed. As I'm sure you remember, the current lot have been trying to shove those same people back into unemployment in order to screw them out of £20 a week, while claiming that it's all Labour's fault.
 
2013-04-09 02:47:33 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher called America the devil?


No, she called Mandela the devil. Of course, he was melanin challenged so I can understand why her tacit support for the brutal system of apartheid and imrpisoning people for political speech doesn't really bother you. I also recalled when Venezuela and Chavez was taken seriously by anyone outside a soccer field, a miss universe pageant, or Venezuela itself. That was never.
 
2013-04-09 02:49:04 PM  

Bungles: Americans, who have some sort of mythical Vaseline image of her, liked her.


The right-wing media has created that image, same as how they've created an image of Reagan as a perfect god among men. It's deliberate.
 
2013-04-09 02:50:39 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher called America the devil?



Thatcher called British coal miners, dockworkers, and steel workers far, far worse things.

Which means you presumably support the UK celebrations?
 
2013-04-09 02:51:33 PM  

Bungles: Nutsac_Jim: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher called America the devil?


Thatcher called British coal miners, dockworkers, and steel workers far, far worse things.

Which means you presumably support the UK celebrations?


Working people are useless pieces of shiat, don't you know? Except for him, of course. And that's why he could never join a union, he's a special snowflake who would only be dragged down.
 
2013-04-09 02:51:49 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Bungles: Americans, who have some sort of mythical Vaseline image of her, liked her.

The right-wing media has created that image, same as how they've created an image of Reagan as a perfect god among men. It's deliberate.


Unlike the cult of "The one" right?
 
2013-04-09 02:51:50 PM  

Bender The Offender: Nutsac_Jim: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher called America the devil?

No, she called Mandela the devil. Of course, he was melanin challenged so I can understand why her tacit support for the brutal system of apartheid and imrpisoning people for political speech doesn't really bother you. I also recalled when Venezuela and Chavez was taken seriously by anyone outside a soccer field, a miss universe pageant, or Venezuela itself. That was never.


I don't give Reagan that much credit, but I will give him credit for not defending Apartheid. Apparently, that's not as easy as I thought it would be.
 
2013-04-09 02:52:46 PM  

Joe Blowme: A Dark Evil Omen: Bungles: Americans, who have some sort of mythical Vaseline image of her, liked her.

The right-wing media has created that image, same as how they've created an image of Reagan as a perfect god among men. It's deliberate.

Unlike the cult of "The one" right?


You mean Sarah Palin?
 
2013-04-09 02:53:04 PM  

Joe Blowme: A Dark Evil Omen: Bungles: Americans, who have some sort of mythical Vaseline image of her, liked her.

The right-wing media has created that image, same as how they've created an image of Reagan as a perfect god among men. It's deliberate.

Unlike the cult of "The one" right?


The one the right-wing media drafted inside their heads?

No one actually talks like that outside of the right-wing echo chamber.
 
2013-04-09 02:55:04 PM  

Marine1: The difference between the people that hated Thatcher and those who aren't dancing on her grave is that the ones who have a modicum of respect for her are doing something with their lives that doesn't include impotent rage on the internet.


So, you are saying the conservatives in the UK have more class than those in the US. Got it!

As some others have stated on here, there is no shortage of a-holes on either end of the political spectrum. I remember Democrats joking when it was announced Reagan had Ahlzheimer's and I remember the Republican comments when Ted Kennedy died. It wasn't all Democrats nor all Republicans. It was just some that no longer have an ounce of respect for anything differentiating from their worldview. The sooner we can agree to this fact the sooner grownups can come together and figure out how to solve some of the problems we face in this world.
 
2013-04-09 02:55:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Joe Blowme: A Dark Evil Omen: Bungles: Americans, who have some sort of mythical Vaseline image of her, liked her.

The right-wing media has created that image, same as how they've created an image of Reagan as a perfect god among men. It's deliberate.

Unlike the cult of "The one" right?

The one the right-wing media drafted inside their heads?

No one actually talks like that outside of the right-wing echo chamber.


And the week after Obama came under fire from liberals and leftists throughout the country for the idiotic chained CPI proposal, too. It's such well-timed idiotic nonsense with no relationship to reality!
 
2013-04-09 03:01:58 PM  
Bungles:
She did try to end Sunday trading laws though, and was pro-choice and (for the time) pro-gay rights.

Yeah, about that.
 
2013-04-09 03:15:19 PM  

sephjnr: Bungles:
She did try to end Sunday trading laws though, and was pro-choice and (for the time) pro-gay rights.

Yeah, about that.


She was a superb proto-internet troll.

Pro-gay rights in 1970, then BAM! Section 28.
 
2013-04-09 03:23:19 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Cream of Meat: Can a resident limey give me a primer on this lady.  I'm guessing she's the female GWB from the comments above.

Not a Brit, but she was more like Ronald Reagan than GWB.


As a Brit I would have to agree. In the UK people loved her or hater her, very little in between. She dragged the UK out of an economic slump and gave us success for the next 2 decades. Labor party managed to piss it all away.

/I was a fan btw.
 
2013-04-09 03:23:59 PM  
So as an American that was too young to be keeping up with international politics when she was PM what did she do to get everyones panties in a 30 year wad?

I mean was being buddy buddy with St Ronnie and choosing not to roll over and let the argies have the Falklands that big of a deal? Or was it more the domestic stuffs?
 
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