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2013-04-09 10:45:32 AM  
Stay classy liberals.
 
2013-04-09 10:45:42 AM  
Liberals are classy and not at all vindictive.
 
2013-04-09 10:47:23 AM  

genner: Stay classy liberals.


enik: Liberals are classy and not at all vindictive.


Conservatives are both repetitive and vindictive.
 
2013-04-09 10:47:23 AM  
To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.
 
2013-04-09 10:47:25 AM  
It's funny that England still thinks it's important.
 
2013-04-09 10:47:33 AM  
weird
 
2013-04-09 10:48:05 AM  

genner: Stay classy liberals.


enik: Liberals are classy and not at all vindictive.


There are assholes on all sides of the political spectrum.

There's no need to make this a liberal vs. conservative pissing match.
 
2013-04-09 10:48:36 AM  

Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.


nope. I even felt a little creepy celebrating OBL's death the way we did. Please though, whatever simplifications which allow you to hold several thoughts at once.
 
2013-04-09 10:48:44 AM  
Wow, those comments FTFA make Fark look Fair and BalancedTM
 
2013-04-09 10:49:14 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: genner: Stay classy liberals.

enik: Liberals are classy and not at all vindictive.

Conservatives are both repetitive and vindictive.


You should have seen how mean and disrespectful those libs were when Pinochet died.
 
2013-04-09 10:49:18 AM  

genner: Stay classy liberals.


Somehow I don't think political ideology is the underlying factor with mining towns and other segments of the population that got the business end of her policies, but by all means continue to lay down your partisan trolling hackery.
 
2013-04-09 10:49:30 AM  

Mrtraveler01: genner: Stay classy liberals.

enik: Liberals are classy and not at all vindictive.

There are assholes on all sides of the political spectrum.

There's no need to make this a liberal vs. conservative pissing match.


oh, today is the day we're not gonna do that? I knew we had it on the calendar but I thought it was next Tuesday.
 
2013-04-09 10:49:35 AM  
img341.imageshack.us
 
2013-04-09 10:49:55 AM  
Screw the Ding Dongs being dead. I miss the Orange Cupcakes.

/DNRTFA
 
2013-04-09 10:50:23 AM  

UNC_Samurai: genner: Stay classy liberals.

Somehow I don't think political ideology is the underlying factor with mining towns and other segments of the population that got the business end of her policies, but by all means continue to lay down your partisan trolling hackery.


No, no, anyone who is against conservative policies that rob them personally and is angry at the person who championed them is clearly a liberal socialist lizard person. They can't be just mad about having their pockets picked.
 
2013-04-09 10:50:23 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-09 10:50:56 AM  

skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: genner: Stay classy liberals.

enik: Liberals are classy and not at all vindictive.

There are assholes on all sides of the political spectrum.

There's no need to make this a liberal vs. conservative pissing match.

oh, today is the day we're not gonna do that? I knew we had it on the calendar but I thought it was next Tuesday.


I had plans next Tuesday so I pushed it up to this Tuesday.

/I know it's a futile effort, but I wanted to put my 2 cents in
 
2013-04-09 10:51:11 AM  

Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.


I didn't.
 
2013-04-09 10:52:37 AM  
Can a resident limey give me a primer on this lady.  I'm guessing she's the female GWB from the comments above.
 
2013-04-09 10:53:10 AM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

I didn't.


I was pretty indifferent when he died. I mean he was a big loudmouth who liked to start shiat for no reason. But outside of Venezuela, he wasn't harming anyone.

Inside Venezuela though, he was hurting a lot of people and caused the two sides to drift further apart.
 
2013-04-09 10:53:21 AM  

Mrtraveler01: genner: Stay classy liberals.

enik: Liberals are classy and not at all vindictive.

There are assholes on all sides of the political spectrum.

There's no need to make this a liberal vs. conservative pissing match.


This.
 
2013-04-09 10:54:19 AM  

Cream of Meat: Can a resident limey give me a primer on this lady.  I'm guessing she's the female GWB from the comments above.


Not a Brit, but she was more like Ronald Reagan than GWB.
 
2013-04-09 10:54:44 AM  
 
2013-04-09 10:55:44 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Smoky Dragon Dish: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

I didn't.

I was pretty indifferent when he died. I mean he was a big loudmouth who liked to start shiat for no reason. But outside of Venezuela, he wasn't harming anyone.

Inside Venezuela though, he was hurting a lot of people and caused the two sides to drift further apart.


This.  My first thought was whether Joe Kennedy was now out of a job.  And then I didn't really think about it again until now.
 
2013-04-09 10:55:49 AM  
Is it the Klaus Nomi version? That's my favorite.
 
2013-04-09 10:56:33 AM  

Mrtraveler01: genner: Stay classy liberals.

enik: Liberals are classy and not at all vindictive.

There are assholes on all sides of the political spectrum.

There's no need to make this a liberal vs. conservative pissing match.


Just because there's no need doesn't mean it shouldn't be done... for the lulz
 
2013-04-09 10:57:15 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: UNC_Samurai: genner: Stay classy liberals.

Somehow I don't think political ideology is the underlying factor with mining towns and other segments of the population that got the business end of her policies, but by all means continue to lay down your partisan trolling hackery.

No, no, anyone who is against conservative policies that rob them personally and is angry at the person who championed them is clearly a liberal socialist lizard person. They can't be just mad about having their pockets picked.


I keep forgetting, it isn't morally reprehensible when businesses keep wages low for profit, only when governments take the money to run the nation.
 
2013-04-09 10:57:26 AM  
So Thatcher deregulated and privatized. Isn't that what Jimmy Carter did?
 
2013-04-09 10:57:40 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Smoky Dragon Dish: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

I didn't.

I was pretty indifferent when he died. I mean he was a big loudmouth who liked to start shiat for no reason. But outside of Venezuela, he wasn't harming anyone.

Inside Venezuela though, he was hurting a lot of people and caused the two sides to drift further apart.


He even helped people abroad, for example farcers in Colombia
 
2013-04-09 10:58:59 AM  
To those of you who say we shouldn't celebrate her death, show some respect for her victims.
 
2013-04-09 10:59:40 AM  
The difference between the people that hated Thatcher and those who aren't dancing on her grave is that the ones who have a modicum of respect for her are doing something with their lives that doesn't include impotent rage on the internet.
 
2013-04-09 10:59:48 AM  
Again, apparently I'm the libbiest lib in the world for not adoring Margret Thatcher.

I may respect her for being England's first woman prime minister, and having the resolve to more or less successfully win the Falkland's War.  But her economic philosophy is not popular with me and her actions implementing it were horrid.

But since I'm not falling over myself lionizing her I'm a lib and all libs are classless.

You ever stop and wonder WHY people hate her?  WHY so many people don't like her or other conservative policies?

It's so unfair!  We hate things that harm us!  We should be so much more respectful of those that spit in our faces, take our money for the rich, tell us we're going to hell, question our patriotism and make our lives worse!
 
2013-04-09 11:00:01 AM  

LewDux: Mrtraveler01: Smoky Dragon Dish: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

I didn't.

I was pretty indifferent when he died. I mean he was a big loudmouth who liked to start shiat for no reason. But outside of Venezuela, he wasn't harming anyone.

Inside Venezuela though, he was hurting a lot of people and caused the two sides to drift further apart.

He even helped people abroad, for example farcers in Colombia


He provided free heating oil to the United States.  Citizens Energy, run by Joe Kennedy, ran ads about this on TV here in the Northeast, where heating oil is pretty commonplace.
 
2013-04-09 11:00:54 AM  

UNC_Samurai: genner: Stay classy liberals.

Somehow I don't think political ideology is the underlying factor with mining towns and other segments of the population that got the business end of her policies, but by all means continue to lay down your partisan trolling hackery.


Pretty much this. She was a rich, rich woman who had all the sympathy for poor people that a butcher has for cattle. Had oil revenue from the North Sea not started pouring into the coffers, her legacy would be a warning about the dangers of austerity and regulation busting - but the extra cash hid the real cost of her policies.

To the right in the US, she's venerated along side Saint Raygun. To the people in England, her legacy is much more complicated.
 
2013-04-09 11:01:13 AM  
I'm not trying to make this a partisan thing, but I think it's fairly obvious that the people who didn't like her... really, really didn't like her.
 
2013-04-09 11:01:33 AM  

Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.


Thatcher was a patriot. Chavez was a criminal. Get the difference? No, I didn't think you would.
 
2013-04-09 11:01:57 AM  
Burn you hag!

/Compassionate conservative
 
2013-04-09 11:02:07 AM  

enik: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher was a patriot. Chavez was a criminal. Get the difference? No, I didn't think you would.


potato/10
 
2013-04-09 11:02:41 AM  
I just hope they bury her with an empty milk bottle.
 
2013-04-09 11:02:52 AM  
I love how liberals are being blamed for enjoying themselves - how dare they?  Can't really blame them for being drunk on the sweet, sweet tears of the same now-fawning Conservatives who stabbed Thatcher in the back and forced her to stand down.  It's a bit like getting sick of your faithful pet, taking it to the pound and when it gets put down, saying it wasn't your fault and that you really liked the pet.
 
2013-04-09 11:03:19 AM  

UNC_Samurai: A Dark Evil Omen: UNC_Samurai: genner: Stay classy liberals.

Somehow I don't think political ideology is the underlying factor with mining towns and other segments of the population that got the business end of her policies, but by all means continue to lay down your partisan trolling hackery.

No, no, anyone who is against conservative policies that rob them personally and is angry at the person who championed them is clearly a liberal socialist lizard person. They can't be just mad about having their pockets picked.

I keep forgetting, it isn't morally reprehensible when businesses keep wages low for profit, only when governments take the money to run the nation.


There is another interesting comparison - if unions strike when the economy is bad to try and protect their members, they get lambasted for it. When businesses sack people and close down offices when the economy is bad to protect their money, that is just natural and should be expected. Interesting how when "capital" hurts the broader economy for their own protection it is okay, but if "labour" does it then it is not.
 
2013-04-09 11:04:09 AM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: I just hope they bury her with an empty milk bottle.


I doubt she was that dried up
 
2013-04-09 11:04:29 AM  

enik: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher was a patriot. Chavez was a criminal. Get the difference? No, I didn't think you would.


Thatcher was an egomaniac.  Chavez was an egomaniac.  Get the similarity?  No, I didn't think you would.
 
2013-04-09 11:05:09 AM  

Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.


I don't know about you, but I try to avoid emulating the behavior of right-wingers.
 
2013-04-09 11:06:32 AM  

GoldSpider: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

I don't know about you, but I try to avoid emulating the behavior of right-wingers.


I've seen some conservative websites say they're going to get back at the liberal conspiracy by being mean when Castro dies.

Yes.  That will really stick it to the libs.
 
2013-04-09 11:07:27 AM  
Wow lefty's, here's your score in the past 12 hours:

- openly celebrating the death of a political opponent
- calling for the imprisonment of opposition journalists
- saying our children are property of the state

Fortunately you guys keep getting snookered by corporate shills come election time. Otherwise, this place would look like Somalia inside of a week.
 
2013-04-09 11:07:32 AM  

Cream of Meat: Can a resident limey give me a primer on this lady. I'm guessing she's the female GWB from the comments above.


She was closer to a female Brit Reagan, rather than Bush the Lesser.
 
2013-04-09 11:07:33 AM  
To her credit, her policies killed fewer people than Hitler's. So, there's that.
 
2013-04-09 11:07:58 AM  

UNC_Samurai: genner: Stay classy liberals.

Somehow I don't think political ideology is the underlying factor with mining towns and other segments of the population that got the business end of her policies, but by all means continue to lay down your partisan trolling hackery.


I was just remembering how the mines and other government owned businesses were models of efficiency and how great the Britsh economy was doing before Thatcher took office.
 
2013-04-09 11:07:59 AM  
She supported apartheid and considered Nelson Mandela's ANC a terrorist organisation.
She aided the Khmer Rouge while they were killing millions of Cambodians.
She called General Suharto, mass-murdering dictator of Indonesia "one of our very best and most valuable friends."
She praised and supported Pinochet long after it was known he was responsible for killing hundreds of dissidents.
Her so-called 'poll tax' was hated because it shifted the tax burden from the rich to the poor.
She supported laws which made homosexuality a taboo subject and closed gay and lesbian support centres.

Now watch as rigtwingers whitewash this just as they whitewashed Reagan's legacy.
 
2013-04-09 11:08:31 AM  
"Margaret Thatcher was a pioneer, willingly or unwillingly, for the role of women in politics. It is hard to imagine a part of our current history that has not been affected by measures she put forward in the UK at the end of the 20th century. Her hard-nosed fiscal measures took a toll on the poor, and her hands-off approach to financial regulation led to great wealth for others. There is an argument that her steadfast, almost emotional loyalty to the pound sterling has helped the UK weather the storms of European monetary uncertainty.

But to me she was a figure of awe for her personal strength and grit. To have come up, legitimately, through the ranks of the British political system, class bound and gender phobic as it was, in the time that she did and the way that she did, was a formidable achievement. To have won it, not because she inherited position as the daughter of a great man, or the widow of an important man, but by dint of her own striving. To have withstood the special hatred and ridicule, unprecedented in my opinion, leveled in our time at a public figure who was not a mass murderer; and to have managed to keep her convictions attached to fervent ideals and ideas-wrongheaded or misguided as we might see them now-without corruption-I see that as evidence of some kind of greatness, worthy for the argument of history to settle."


--Meryl Streep
(a dyed-in-the-wool "liberal")
 
2013-04-09 11:08:44 AM  

Fart_Machine: Is it the Klaus Nomi version? That's my favorite.


Sadly no, though I'm partial to that version myself. I actually went and listened to it after reading the article.

/Stupid aids.
 
2013-04-09 11:09:15 AM  
That's a bit crass. But I won't be a hypocrite about it; I fully intend to party when Cheney's new heart inevitably explodes.
 
2013-04-09 11:09:22 AM  
More proof on how intolerant and sexist the leftists really are.
 
2013-04-09 11:09:34 AM  
Tacky. And disrespectful. Un-British.
 
2013-04-09 11:09:41 AM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: I just hope they bury her with an empty milk bottle.


I hope they cover her grave with full bottles of milk. Like Diana's was covered with thousands of flowers. But with thousands and thousands of bottles of milk.

Like the the really oppressed people say. "Never forget or you'll let them repeat it."
 
2013-04-09 11:10:45 AM  

Marine1: The difference between the people that hated Thatcher and those who aren't dancing on her grave is that the ones who have a modicum of respect for her are doing something with their lives that doesn't include impotent rage on the internet.


Wut?

Her policies hurt millions of people who are still struggling with the affects of her privatization which enriched a relative few at their expense.

Britain is reeling from the choice to outsource manufacturing. That helped cut labor costs for the already well-off but that put millions out of work. Those millions not working then don't have money to spend to support the wider economy.

Without a healthy middle-class there is no healthy economy. There is only shuffling of benefits to keep the lives of the unemployed from completely exploding while blaming them for not working.

At some point the house of cards collapses and we start hanging bankers and politicians who started this mess from trees.
 
2013-04-09 11:10:50 AM  

A Dark Evil Omen: UNC_Samurai: genner: Stay classy liberals.

Somehow I don't think political ideology is the underlying factor with mining towns and other segments of the population that got the business end of her policies, but by all means continue to lay down your partisan trolling hackery.

No, no, anyone who is against conservative policies that rob them personally and is angry at the person who championed them is clearly a liberal socialist lizard person. They can't be just mad about having their pockets picked.


Here's one of those terrible liberal socialists:
i48.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-09 11:11:38 AM  
Which old witch?
 
2013-04-09 11:12:18 AM  

lordaction: More proof on how intolerant and sexist the leftists really are.


So, if our dislike of Thatcher means we're sexist, does that mean that everyone who dislikes Obama is racist?
 
2013-04-09 11:13:52 AM  
 
2013-04-09 11:13:58 AM  
Once somebody dies, we must no longer insult them or offer unfavorable opinions. Furthermore, we must let all manner of bullsh*t be said in their defense, regardless of how true it may be, because what's the point of dying if your supporters aren't getting a mulligan on saying whatever sweet f*ckall comes into their heads in concerns to how great you were? That's just fair. But to hear otherwise from the opposition? That's right out.
 
2013-04-09 11:13:59 AM  

Infinity370: You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.


The difference being that Chavez actually was a monster as opposed to Thatcher whose main crime was proving liberals like Chavez wrong.
 
2013-04-09 11:14:55 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-09 11:14:58 AM  

lohphat: Marine1: The difference between the people that hated Thatcher and those who aren't dancing on her grave is that the ones who have a modicum of respect for her are doing something with their lives that doesn't include impotent rage on the internet.

Wut?

Her policies hurt millions of people who are still struggling with the affects of her privatization which enriched a relative few at their expense.

Britain is reeling from the choice to outsource manufacturing. That helped cut labor costs for the already well-off but that put millions out of work. Those millions not working then don't have money to spend to support the wider economy.

Without a healthy middle-class there is no healthy economy. There is only shuffling of benefits to keep the lives of the unemployed from completely exploding while blaming them for not working.

At some point the house of cards collapses and we start hanging bankers and politicians who started this mess from trees.


Dude. It's been thirty farking years. If you can't find a way to escape a situation in that length of time, it's not Margaret Thatcher's fault that you're where you are.
 
2013-04-09 11:15:43 AM  

Godscrack: Which old witch?


www.qsrmagazine.com
 
2013-04-09 11:15:47 AM  

Lawyers With Nukes: Wow lefty's, here's your score in the past 12 hours:

- openly celebrating the death of a political opponent
- calling for the imprisonment of opposition journalists
- saying our children are property of the state

Fortunately you guys keep getting snookered by corporate shills come election time. Otherwise, this place would look like Somalia inside of a week.


0/10
 
2013-04-09 11:16:24 AM  

Godscrack: Which old witch?


Old witch of the East
 
2013-04-09 11:16:33 AM  
While I agree that delight in another person's death is beneath a civil society...

...I also heard someone quoted as saying "Her public funeral is going to cost 9 million pounds.  For that price, you could buy every Scotsman a shovel and we could deliver her to hell personally."
 
2013-04-09 11:16:40 AM  
This is unacceptable, you should all learn about how to behave by looking back at how conservatives behaved when Ted Kennedy died, because that was a totally different experience, everyone was very respectful, and had kind words for the Kennedy family... or am I remembering it wrong....
 
2013-04-09 11:16:42 AM  
Thatcher's tenure in a numerical nutshell via Wikipedia.

GDP and public spending by classification - % change in real terms 1979/80 to 1989/90
GDP.                                        +23.3
Total government spending     +12.9
Law and order                          +53.3
Employment and training         +33.3
Health                                      +31.8
Social security                         +31.8
Transport                                 −5.8
Trade and industry                  −38.2
Housing                                   −67.0
Defence                                   −3.3
 
2013-04-09 11:16:54 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: lordaction: More proof on how intolerant and sexist the leftists really are.

So, if our dislike of Thatcher means we're sexist, does that mean that everyone who dislikes Obama is racist?


We must also delude ourselves into believing that Thatcher was really born in Thailand and that she was a Buddhist Manchurian candidate.
 
2013-04-09 11:18:04 AM  
The Tories might have found it a bit easier to take the moral high ground if they hadn't spent the last week using the murder of 6 children as a platform for cutting welfare.
 
2013-04-09 11:18:07 AM  

Irregardless: Thatcher's tenure in a numerical nutshell via Wikipedia.

GDP and public spending by classification - % change in real terms 1979/80 to 1989/90
GDP.                                        +23.3
Total government spending     +12.9
Law and order                          +53.3
Employment and training         +33.3
Health                                      +31.8
Social security                         +31.8
Transport                                 −5.8
Trade and industry                  −38.2
Housing                                   −67.0
Defence                                   −3.3


Looks like a relatively good run to me.
 
2013-04-09 11:18:26 AM  
Catty fishwives...
 
2013-04-09 11:18:32 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: lordaction: More proof on how intolerant and sexist the leftists really are.

So, if our dislike of Thatcher means we're sexist, does that mean that everyone who dislikes Obama is racist?


Maybe he's a hipster and just being ironic?
 
2013-04-09 11:20:20 AM  

darth_badger: Godscrack: Which old witch?

[www.qsrmagazine.com image 800x630]


Got one of those near where I live.  Not bad of a place.
 
2013-04-09 11:21:29 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-09 11:23:06 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: [i.imgur.com image 850x602]


"Uh, Stephan, what are 'Phlembots'?"
 
2013-04-09 11:23:56 AM  

Infinity370: [i.imgur.com image 635x800]


That's almost as funny as Obama Nation.
 
2013-04-09 11:25:13 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: So, if our dislike of Thatcher means we're sexist, does that mean that everyone who dislikes Obama is racist?


It works the same way, yeah.
 
2013-04-09 11:29:06 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: lordaction: More proof on how intolerant and sexist the leftists really are.

So, if our dislike of Thatcher means we're sexist, does that mean that everyone who dislikes Obama is racist?


No, it means everyone who voted for him is racist because they only voted for him because of his skin color.  Republicans don't see skin color at all when they make decisions.
 
2013-04-09 11:29:13 AM  
Do we accept people celebrating the death of another human being now, has our society fallen so low that celebrating someones death is acceptable and not in anyway poor taste or vulgar! Respect for human life is at an all time low. NRA you have won, arm everyone, because people dying is ok now
 
2013-04-09 11:30:22 AM  

DubtodaIll: It's funny that England still thinks it's important.


He said, joining a comment thread dedicated to discussing the British public's sarcastic reaction to the death of a PM who left office twenty years ago.

Cream of Meat: Can a resident limey give me a primer on this lady.  I'm guessing she's the female GWB from the comments above.


You know, even with all the vitriol that's been pissed in her direction the last two days that still may be one of the most insulting thing anyone's ever said about her. Excluding Palin comparisons of course.

She was Prime Minister of the UK in eighties (79-90), the first and, thus far only, woman to hold the role. She was very right-wing, hated communism and socialism and was good friends with Ronald Reagan (and Augustus Pinochet).

Britain was pretty socialist when she became Prime Minister and she undertook a substantial programme to reform/privatise/dismantle state owned industries. This involved putting a lot of people out of work and various parts of the country have never recovered economically. As you have seen there is still a great deal of resentment toward her because of that. A lot of people seem to believe that she inflicted irreparable changes
for the worse, although, I suspect that idea does tend to rely on an overly romaniticised view life pre-Thatcher.
 
2013-04-09 11:31:09 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: darth_badger: Godscrack: Which old witch?

[www.qsrmagazine.com image 800x630]

Got one of those near where I live.  Not bad of a place.


and a free sandwich on your birthday if you sign up for it.
 
2013-04-09 11:33:28 AM  

Marine1:

Dude. It's been thirty farking years. If you can't find a way to escape a situation in that length of time, it's not Margaret Thatcher's fault that you're where you are.


Right working retail service jobs with no pension was a way out.

Note the same has happened in the US.

we used to have a stable manufacturing sector which provided reliable employment and a pension so you wouldn't be eating dogfood on the street after age 65.

Most of that is now gone.

No pensions. Companies neglecting their contractual obligations to fund retirement plans only to have their responsibilities to their employees excused by bankruptcy courts. In the case of UAL they tried to have the government take over the pensions (privatized gains, socialized losses) Savings and "safe" investments destroyed via bank deregulation and insolvency. Seniors having to work to survive keeping jobs out of the hands of the younger generations. Etc.

The destabilization of the middle class also reduces the ability to contribute tax revenue to feed our ever growing debt payments -- mostly for wars we didn't need. Note the deficit and debt skyrocketed during the 80s as Reagan put our "prosperity" on a credit card his generation didn't have to pay off. But no. The wealthy need more tax cuts and offshoring of assets.

The US and the UK are banana republics with a huge gap between the haves and the have nots with the worst social mobility gap since the 1930s.

If you look at the wealthy class in these countries it's usually people from the financial sector and foreign oligharchies with the wealth, not the bootstrappy smart guy who won through a meritocracy.
 
2013-04-09 11:35:25 AM  

GoldSpider: rufus-t-firefly: So, if our dislike of Thatcher means we're sexist, does that mean that everyone who dislikes Obama is racist?

It works the same way, yeah.


But on the plus side, since Thatcher supported Apartheid and publicly referred to Nelson Mandela as a "terrorist", you can dislike her and totally not be racist.
 
2013-04-09 11:36:59 AM  
Freaking conservative douchebags....They celebrate hayte-spewing assholes like Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, Newt Gingrich, etc, etc., ad nauseum. Just let a Lefty spew a little like-minded hate and they are all up in arms, in spite of the fact they said nothing when those who celebrated Chavez' death were just as bad.

Get over yourselves you useless pricks. Maggie was a horrible, horrible person and if those that were negatively affected by her policies want to celebrate her death, let 'em.
That being said, I don't think it is appropriate and I would not do the same. Didn't do it when Ronnie died and didn't do it when OBL got capped. Now when GWB kicks the bucket, I might have to make nachos.
 
2013-04-09 11:40:15 AM  
You know, there *is* a new Wizard of Oz movie out. Perhaps those that saw it, wanted to know what the original was (a classic) and liked the song...

Speaking of which, if you haven't seen it, the new one is worth the money.
 
2013-04-09 11:41:21 AM  

lohphat: Marine1: The difference between the people that hated Thatcher and those who aren't dancing on her grave is that the ones who have a modicum of respect for her are doing something with their lives that doesn't include impotent rage on the internet.

Wut?

Her policies hurt millions of people who are still struggling with the affects of her privatization which enriched a relative few at their expense.

Britain is reeling from the choice to outsource manufacturing. That helped cut labor costs for the already well-off but that put millions out of work. Those millions not working then don't have money to spend to support the wider economy.

Without a healthy middle-class there is no healthy economy. There is only shuffling of benefits to keep the lives of the unemployed from completely exploding while blaming them for not working.

At some point the house of cards collapses and we start hanging bankers and politicians who started this mess from trees.



The British manufacturing industry was utter shiat at the time. We may look back at British Leyland with rose tinted glasses but it churned out shiat that made the Fiat look good and the damage was done before Thatcher ever came to power. If you had the bad luck to buy an Allegro, Metro or Montego you know what i mean.

The same with the coal industry. The main use for coal was in power stations, you know those smoke chugging power stations that belch out CO2, sulphur and radioactivity that needed to be replaced with much cleaner energy if we want to slow down climate change.

The entire country was up shiat creek with rampant unemployment, nationalised industries that had dragged the country into bankruptcy and unions whose leadership were living the good life and wanted to be more powerful than the elected government.

While her medicine may have been bad something needed to be done and Labour had no idea what to do.
 
2013-04-09 11:41:26 AM  
GDP and public spending by classification - % change in real terms 1979/80 to 1989/90
GDP. +23.3
Total government spending +12.9
Law and order +53.3
Employment and training +33.3
Health +31.8
Social security +31.8
Transport −5.8
Trade and industry −38.2
Housing −67.0
Defence −3.3


It's hilarious that one of the biggest issues the left has with Thatcher is her housing initiative - it was designed to get people out of government-owned housing and into self-owned housing. A great evil, apparently,

Of course, one of the prominent themes in housing policy in the US by the Democrats over the last few decades has been... to try and get poorer people into self-owned housing.

On the other hand, she presided over a huge increase in the NHS. Which was apparently also evil, even though it's the number one thing that leftists love unreservedly now.
 
2013-04-09 11:42:36 AM  

Marine1: Irregardless: Thatcher's tenure in a numerical nutshell via Wikipedia.

GDP and public spending by classification - % change in real terms 1979/80 to 1989/90
GDP.                                        +23.3
Total government spending     +12.9
Law and order                          +53.3
Employment and training         +33.3
Health                                      +31.8
Social security                         +31.8
Transport                                 −5.8
Trade and industry                  −38.2
Housing                                   −67.0
Defence                                   −3.3

Looks like a relatively good run to me.


Looks like a Socialist if you use the Teabagger definition!
 
2013-04-09 11:43:24 AM  
Liberals are classy and not at all vindictive.

doosh.

http://americablog.com/2012/03/andrew-breitbart-on-ted-kennedys-pass in g.html
 
2013-04-09 11:43:26 AM  
I'm just really disappointed that so many people are happy that Annette Funicello died.
 
2013-04-09 11:45:13 AM  

DesktopHippie: The Tories might have found it a bit easier to take the moral high ground if they hadn't spent the last week using the murder of 6 children as a platform for cutting welfare.


What? Apparently I've missed something...
 
2013-04-09 11:45:57 AM  

Huron77: Tacky. And disrespectful. Un-British.


We Brits can be amazingly tacky and disrespectful, it's just rare.
 
2013-04-09 11:46:52 AM  

Harmania: I'm just really disappointed that so many people are happy that Annette Funicello died.

Well, SHE thinks it's great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Suwa3_oYuik
 
2013-04-09 11:48:40 AM  

pagansexgod: Do we accept people celebrating the death of another human being now, has our society fallen so low that celebrating someones death is acceptable and not in anyway poor taste or vulgar! Respect for human life is at an all time low. NRA you have won, arm everyone, because people dying is ok now


Yes. And don't blame the NRA. A lack of civility and respect is not a left-right thing, but the product of bad upbringing.
 
2013-04-09 11:48:58 AM  

Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.


Yourenothelping.jpg

Chavez was *not* a liberal hero.
 
2013-04-09 11:50:05 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Lawyers With Nukes: Wow lefty's, here's your score in the past 12 hours:

- openly celebrating the death of a political opponent
- calling for the imprisonment of opposition journalists
- saying our children are property of the state

Fortunately you guys keep getting snookered by corporate shills come election time. Otherwise, this place would look like Somalia inside of a week.

0/10


Actually that's a 0/3
 
2013-04-09 11:54:08 AM  

You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: DubtodaIll: It's funny that England still thinks it's important.

He said, joining a comment thread dedicated to discussing the British public's sarcastic reaction to the death of a PM who left office twenty years ago.

Cream of Meat: Can a resident limey give me a primer on this lady.  I'm guessing she's the female GWB from the comments above.

You know, even with all the vitriol that's been pissed in her direction the last two days that still may be one of the most insulting thing anyone's ever said about her. Excluding Palin comparisons of course.

She was Prime Minister of the UK in eighties (79-90), the first and, thus far only, woman to hold the role. She was very right-wing, hated communism and socialism and was good friends with Ronald Reagan (and Augustus Pinochet).

Britain was pretty socialist when she became Prime Minister and she undertook a substantial programme to reform/privatise/dismantle state owned industries. This involved putting a lot of people out of work and various parts of the country have never recovered economically. As you have seen there is still a great deal of resentment toward her because of that. A lot of people seem to believe that she inflicted irreparable changes
for the worse, although, I suspect that idea does tend to rely on an overly romaniticised view life pre-Thatcher.


Her approach to the Ireland situation was certainly pretty GWB-esque. Illegal detentions, trial without jury, Maze prison was practically a mini Guantanemo. Not that the IRA were angels, l but all she did was pour gasoline on the fire.
 
2013-04-09 11:56:08 AM  
Yeah thanks setting labor relations back 50 years and stomping on human rights.

Cant wait to find out where they plant her so I can do the "dance"!

Dont look back in anger
 
2013-04-09 11:56:19 AM  

Norfolking Chance:
The entire country was up shiat creek with rampant unemployment, nationalised industries that had dragged the country into bankruptcy and unions whose leadership were living the good life and wanted to be more powerful than the elected government.

While her medicine may have been bad something needed to be done and Labour had no idea what to do.


Well congrats on making a bad situation worse.

The unemployment numbers were a myth. They took all those workers and instead of calling them unemployed (which would have made the policy change look as bad as it was) they put people on "benefits" intended for those unable to work through disability. Now the number of people out of work is actually worse than before but masked because they were reclassified. Sound familiar? The US has a similar smoke and mirrors game where people who are underemployed or fall off the other end because they can't find work aren't counted.

Offshoring manufacturing so that the remaining local workforce has to compete with 3rd world labor rates creates a 3rd world standard of living here. Look at our roads, bridges, rail, education, healthcare infrastructure. All crumbling because of a severely reduced middle class wage earner tax base to pay for the trappings of civilization. Only the top 10% have the security our post WWII parents and grandparents had.

We're now a "service economy" with crap benefits and no retirement plans and poor safety nets for those who really need help. Welcome back to 1870.
 
2013-04-09 11:56:32 AM  
There was initial confusion when it was suggested that Judy Garland's version is too short to qualify for the UK Top 40 charts, leading organisers to encourage people to buy Ella Fitzgerald's lengthier rendition.

I prefer the Vincent Price performance of "Over the Rainbow" from Dr. Phibes Rises Again
 
2013-04-09 11:58:08 AM  

RoboZombie: Burn you hag!

/Compassionate conservative


I thought I was the only one!

The policy of hers that really, really got my back up was when she closed the mental hospitals and called it "Care in the Community". The mentally ill really are the most vulnerable members of our nation and she just chucked them out into the street. They were institutionalised for a reason - they couldn't cope. I've always been impressed by the sentiment "I like paying taxes. I use them to buy civilisation." If my taxes aren't buying enough civilisation to keep the mentally ill safe (from us, and us from them) then the government has failed.

That and she threw the primary and secondary sectors of the economy in my nation under the bus to keep her powerbase together in the Home Counties.

Her 'legacy' is a lie. She fabricated short-term prosperity by selling the family silver cheap to her cronies, backed up by squandering North Sea oil revenues when other nations were using it to build a sovereign fund to endow future governments with a stable income independent of taxation. As a fiscal conservative, she was pretty rubbish at balancing the books with the income she had.
 
2013-04-09 12:00:22 PM  

leviosaurus: You'd turn it off when I was halfway across: DubtodaIll: It's funny that England still thinks it's important.

He said, joining a comment thread dedicated to discussing the British public's sarcastic reaction to the death of a PM who left office twenty years ago.

Cream of Meat: Can a resident limey give me a primer on this lady.  I'm guessing she's the female GWB from the comments above.

You know, even with all the vitriol that's been pissed in her direction the last two days that still may be one of the most insulting thing anyone's ever said about her. Excluding Palin comparisons of course.

She was Prime Minister of the UK in eighties (79-90), the first and, thus far only, woman to hold the role. She was very right-wing, hated communism and socialism and was good friends with Ronald Reagan (and Augustus Pinochet).

Britain was pretty socialist when she became Prime Minister and she undertook a substantial programme to reform/privatise/dismantle state owned industries. This involved putting a lot of people out of work and various parts of the country have never recovered economically. As you have seen there is still a great deal of resentment toward her because of that. A lot of people seem to believe that she inflicted irreparable changes
for the worse, although, I suspect that idea does tend to rely on an overly romaniticised view life pre-Thatcher.

Her approach to the Ireland situation was certainly pretty GWB-esque. Illegal detentions, trial without jury, Maze prison was practically a mini Guantanemo. Not that the IRA were angels, l but all she did was pour gasoline on the fire.


Oh yeah, but I as far as she was "like GWB", that's only where GWB was doing whatever Cheney told him to.

Actually that's not a bad description for Americans. Dick Cheney but with enough charm/personality to get elected to high office herself.
 
2013-04-09 12:01:10 PM  
No matter what you thought of her, the poor woman is dead. Show some class.
 
2013-04-09 12:01:47 PM  

stiletto_the_wise: To her credit, her policies killed fewer people than Hitler's. So, there's that.


Hitler's policies have pretty much run their course.. Thatcher's are very much ongoing
 
2013-04-09 12:03:12 PM  
Keep it classy subby(and mod who gave teh green light). Pathetic
But calling a death cult a death cult get you 24 hrs free time, keep up the good work.
 
2013-04-09 12:03:53 PM  

leviosaurus: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Yourenothelping.jpg

Chavez was *not* a liberal hero.


Never said that. On the other hand, many on the right do believe that he was a ''liberal hero'' and celebrated his death as a big fark you to the entire ''left''. And now they have the nerve to tell others to be polite?
 
2013-04-09 12:05:26 PM  

lohphat: Marine1:

Dude. It's been thirty farking years. If you can't find a way to escape a situation in that length of time, it's not Margaret Thatcher's fault that you're where you are.

Right working retail service jobs with no pension was a way out.

Note the same has happened in the US.

we used to have a stable manufacturing sector which provided reliable employment and a pension so you wouldn't be eating dogfood on the street after age 65.

Most of that is now gone.

No pensions. Companies neglecting their contractual obligations to fund retirement plans only to have their responsibilities to their employees excused by bankruptcy courts. In the case of UAL they tried to have the government take over the pensions (privatized gains, socialized losses) Savings and "safe" investments destroyed via bank deregulation and insolvency. Seniors having to work to survive keeping jobs out of the hands of the younger generations. Etc.

The destabilization of the middle class also reduces the ability to contribute tax revenue to feed our ever growing debt payments -- mostly for wars we didn't need. Note the deficit and debt skyrocketed during the 80s as Reagan put our "prosperity" on a credit card his generation didn't have to pay off. But no. The wealthy need more tax cuts and offshoring of assets.

The US and the UK are banana republics with a huge gap between the haves and the have nots with the worst social mobility gap since the 1930s.

If you look at the wealthy class in these countries it's usually people from the financial sector and foreign oligharchies with the wealth, not the bootstrappy smart guy who won through a meritocracy.


Which is why I see plenty of people at my university on Pell grants that will be upwardly mobile upon their graduation.
 
2013-04-09 12:10:33 PM  

dopekitty74: DesktopHippie: The Tories might have found it a bit easier to take the moral high ground if they hadn't spent the last week using the murder of 6 children as a platform for cutting welfare.

What? Apparently I've missed something...


You're lucky.

A-hole with a history of violence against women decided to set his ex's house on fire so he could blame her for it and one-up her in their custody case, arranging a friend of his to charge in and rescue six of his kids who would be in the house at the time. Not thinking his cunning plan the whole way through, his friend couldn't get anywhere near his kids in the ensuing inferno and they died. A-hole prison time for it this week, along with his new girlfriend and his friend.

Cue the Tory government blaming the tragedy on the fact that the family was on welfare and their violent, disjointed lives were being "subsidised" by the government. Because clearly every person in Britain who has ever lost a job or has been too ill to work is a scrounging layabout willing to put kids in danger in an effort to screw other people.
 
2013-04-09 12:10:42 PM  

pagansexgod: Do we accept people celebrating the death of another human being now, has our society fallen so low that celebrating someones death is acceptable and not in anyway poor taste or vulgar! Respect for human life is at an all time low. NRA you have won, arm everyone, because people dying is ok now


People have always celebrated others deaths.

This is not new in humanity.
 
2013-04-09 12:11:00 PM  

Infinity370: leviosaurus: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Yourenothelping.jpg

Chavez was *not* a liberal hero.

Never said that. On the other hand, many on the right do believe that he was a ''liberal hero'' and celebrated his death as a big fark you to the entire ''left''. And now they have the nerve to tell others to be polite?


BUT MOMMY!! BILLY DID IT TOO!
 
2013-04-09 12:11:50 PM  

Infinity370: leviosaurus: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Yourenothelping.jpg

Chavez was *not* a liberal hero.

Never said that. On the other hand, many on the right do believe that he was a ''liberal hero'' and celebrated his death as a big fark you to the entire ''left''. And now they have the nerve to tell others to be polite?


Sure sounded like you were drawing an equivalence. Save your comparisons for when Clinton passes away. The teatards will be blowing each other in the streets.
 
2013-04-09 12:12:57 PM  
When I first heard the news, I feared that Cher actually died. Then I found out it was Margaret Thatcher so I felt a great sense of relief.
 
2013-04-09 12:14:19 PM  

Marine1: The difference between the people that hated Thatcher and those who aren't dancing on her grave is that the ones who have a modicum of respect for her are doing something with their lives that doesn't include impotent rage on the internet.


You're right. There are people actually having massive parties in all the major cities of the UK, and not on the net. I do love a good party. Off to Ryanair to check on ticket prices to London
 
2013-04-09 12:16:21 PM  

TeDDD: The Irresponsible Captain: [i.imgur.com image 850x602]

"Uh, Stephan, what are 'Phlembots'?"


I was too afraid to ask...
 
2013-04-09 12:19:43 PM  

leviosaurus: Infinity370: leviosaurus: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Yourenothelping.jpg

Chavez was *not* a liberal hero.

Never said that. On the other hand, many on the right do believe that he was a ''liberal hero'' and celebrated his death as a big fark you to the entire ''left''. And now they have the nerve to tell others to be polite?

Sure sounded like you were drawing an equivalence. Save your comparisons for when Clinton passes away. The teatards will be blowing each other in the streets.


Pffft.........after W and Obama we already miss Clinton.
 
2013-04-09 12:24:05 PM  
Done in one.
 
2013-04-09 12:25:59 PM  
fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net
 
2013-04-09 12:28:39 PM  

Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.


Really?  Try out your google foo on 'thatcher death party' compared to 'chavez death party' and observe the difference.
 
2013-04-09 12:28:45 PM  
I'm a little confused at the hagiograpic masturbation she's garnering in the US, given the bulk of the population in the UK consider her a rather wicked, heartless human being.

We're the ones who had to live with her policies.
 
2013-04-09 12:30:20 PM  

stuffy: No matter what you thought of her, the poor woman is dead. Show some class.


I bet you were there in Hitler's bunker, asking everyone to be a bit nicer, the poor man had just been shot.
 
2013-04-09 12:30:49 PM  
It's good to see that Britons are standing up to a dead woman.

Afterwards, we can review a list of already disposed dictators and say how much we hate them.
 
2013-04-09 12:32:09 PM  

cirby: GDP and public spending by classification - % change in real terms 1979/80 to 1989/90
GDP. +23.3
Total government spending +12.9
Law and order +53.3
Employment and training +33.3
Health +31.8
Social security +31.8
Transport −5.8
Trade and industry −38.2
Housing −67.0
Defence −3.3


It's hilarious that one of the biggest issues the left has with Thatcher is her housing initiative - it was designed to get people out of government-owned housing and into self-owned housing. A great evil, apparently,

Of course, one of the prominent themes in housing policy in the US by the Democrats over the last few decades has been... to try and get poorer people into self-owned housing.

On the other hand, she presided over a huge increase in the NHS. Which was apparently also evil, even though it's the number one thing that leftists love unreservedly now.


Not to get into the broader sweep of the Thatcher debate, but the long-term impact of Right-to-Buy, the initiative Thatcher used to move people from council to private housing, should not be understated.

Effectively, individuals in local government housing were allowed to purchase their properties at a price that was below the market value of the home. The original goal was, purportedly, to encourage private ownership. What inevitably occurred was every council tenant realising they could buy their property, and  sell it immediately for some quick cash, moving them up the housing 'ladder'.

The social housing stock was decimated, and has never been successfully replaced. Local councils have been unwilling to fund new construction knowing they may be forced to sell their properties at a loss by central government.  This has had a serious long term effect, as individuals on low incomes have been unable to secure housing. The sale of council properties directly contributed to the spiralling house price boom-and-busts between the eighties and the crash of the last few years.

Effectively, Thatchers Right-To-Buy bought her an election - a lot of ex-council tenants were very grateful for the opportunity to make themselves a tidy profit, and the people who bought off them, at a still relatively cheap price, were also moderately willing to vote Tory as a consequence. But it also exacerbated our dependence on housing as a means of holding wealth, and has severely constrained our non-private housing stock, with negative social impacts - at the moment there is discussion on the need to move individuals who require housing out of economic centres like London, and into the areas of the country with more available housing. But those areas are more economically depressed, and don'yt welcome a tide of the dispossessed, unconnected and unemployed, which would in itself lead to a negative economic spiral.

Right-to-buy also led to the rise of Buy-to-let; many ex-council houses were bought at a relatively knock down price, and promply put on the rental market; as a consequence of the lack of decent government housing stock to act as a baseline, rents are now spiralling alongside house prices.

Then there's the difficulty of people who do  needhelp, who do  needa place to live not being able to get one.

Hopefully this helps indicate:
1) It's not as simple as 'government ownership bad, private ownership good'
2) Why some people are fans of Thatcher (it's not the only reason, but certainly had an impact)
3) Why some people, both at the time and now, are  notfans
 
2013-04-09 12:33:40 PM  

pdee: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Really?  Try out your google foo on 'thatcher death party' compared to 'chavez death party' and observe the difference.



Who in the US was directly impacted by Chavez? Who even knew anything about him beyond talking points?


Anyone over 30 in the UK (and then their parents if not them) personally witnessed what Thatcher did to this country, and their lives.


Funnily enough, one of the only things Thatcher did that the majority of the UK agrees with is the Falklands, which the US apparently either doesn't give two craps about or thinks she was wrong.
 
2013-04-09 12:36:11 PM  

cirby: GDP and public spending by classification - % change in real terms 1979/80 to 1989/90
GDP. +23.3
Total government spending +12.9
Law and order +53.3
Employment and training +33.3
Health +31.8
Social security +31.8
Transport −5.8
Trade and industry −38.2
Housing −67.0
Defence −3.3


It's hilarious that one of the biggest issues the left has with Thatcher is her housing initiative - it was designed to get people out of government-owned housing and into self-owned housing. A great evil, apparently,

Of course, one of the prominent themes in housing policy in the US by the Democrats over the last few decades has been... to try and get poorer people into self-owned housing.

On the other hand, she presided over a huge increase in the NHS. Which was apparently also evil, even though it's the number one thing that leftists love unreservedly now.



You clearly have no idea why Right-to-Buy became a disaster, or even understand why it's controversial.
 
2013-04-09 12:36:22 PM  

Bungles: I'm a little confused at the hagiograpic masturbation she's garnering in the US, given the bulk of the population in the UK consider her a rather wicked, heartless human being.

We're the ones who had to live with her policies.


Yes, it also puzzles me as to why the moonbat conservidouches here are blaming American "Libs" for Englands celebrating.


Seems to me, that hey, they lived under her, they have the right to either mourn, or celebrate her death as they see fit.

But, hey, stay classy conservidouches.
 
2013-04-09 12:39:19 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: TeDDD: The Irresponsible Captain: [i.imgur.com image 850x602]

"Uh, Stephan, what are 'Phlembots'?"

I was too afraid to ask...


"It's that thing where two midgets hide in a trash can and spit on the poor if they get too close."
 
2013-04-09 12:41:37 PM  

Marine1:
Which is why I see plenty of people at my university on Pell grants that will be upwardly mobile upon their graduation.


What is the percentage of all students is that? What other developed countries burden their students with 6 figure inexcusable debt?
 
2013-04-09 12:43:23 PM  

lohphat: Now the number of people out of work is actually worse than before but masked because they were reclassified. Sound familiar? The US has a similar smoke and mirrors game where people who are underemployed or fall off the other end because they can't find work aren't counted.


true dat...

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/03/disability-insur an ce-americas-124-billion-secret-welfare-program/274302/
 
2013-04-09 12:45:18 PM  

Private_Citizen: Pretty much this. She was a rich, rich woman who had all the sympathy for poor people that a butcher has for cattle. Had oil revenue from the North Sea not started pouring into the coffers, her legacy would be a warning about the dangers of austerity and regulation busting - but the extra cash hid the real cost of her policies.


Well not to mention sucking about a thousand quid per capita out of Scotland.  Lady had nothing remotely resembling morals.
 
2013-04-09 12:48:28 PM  

gibbon1: Private_Citizen: Pretty much this. She was a rich, rich woman who had all the sympathy for poor people that a butcher has for cattle. Had oil revenue from the North Sea not started pouring into the coffers, her legacy would be a warning about the dangers of austerity and regulation busting - but the extra cash hid the real cost of her policies.

Well not to mention sucking about a thousand quid per capita out of Scotland.  Lady had nothing remotely resembling morals.


She did try to end Sunday trading laws though, and was pro-choice and (for the time) pro-gay rights.

Politics isn't quite so black and white in the UK as it is in the US.
 
2013-04-09 12:50:29 PM  

SwiftFox: There was initial confusion when it was suggested that Judy Garland's version is too short to qualify for the UK Top 40 charts, leading organisers to encourage people to buy Ella Fitzgerald's lengthier rendition.

I prefer the Vincent Price performance of "Over the Rainbow" from Dr. Phibes Rises Again


A Dr. Phibes reference? In my Fark? Awwwwww, yeah!

Whoever you are -- I love you, Mang! (No homo).

Now back to, "America's Wildest Poo Flinging Trolls," already in progress. . .
 
2013-04-09 12:58:15 PM  

Cream of Meat: Can a resident limey give me a primer on this lady.  I'm guessing she's the female GWB from the comments above.


She made GWB look like a bleeding-heart limousine liberal. Even Reagan looks like a pussy-cat beside her.

She was the kind of British Conservative who mourns for Ebenezer Scrooge going "wet" after the three ghosts of Socialism Past, Present and Future visit him on Christmas eve.
 
2013-04-09 01:05:54 PM  
Oh glorious day!

i1.mirror.co.uk
patdollard.com
static.euronews.com
www.rightwingnews.com
static.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

We've been waiting YEARS for this. And do you know, I never thought I'd say this but for once I actually want Cameron and Osborne to follow in her footsteps.
 
2013-04-09 01:08:27 PM  

Esc7: Again, apparently I'm the libbiest lib in the world for not adoring Margret Thatcher.

I may respect her for being England's first woman prime minister, and having the resolve to more or less successfully win the Falkland's War.  But her economic philosophy is not popular with me and her actions implementing it were horrid.

But since I'm not falling over myself lionizing her I'm a lib and all libs are classless.

You ever stop and wonder WHY people hate her?  WHY so many people don't like her or other conservative policies?

It's so unfair!  We hate things that harm us!  We should be so much more respectful of those that spit in our faces, take our money for the rich, tell us we're going to hell, question our patriotism and make our lives worse!


Are you intentionally ignoring the economic state of britain prior to her election when talking down her economic views? She improved that country economically.
 
2013-04-09 01:11:09 PM  

Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Umm, no. I didn't do a munchkin dance when Teddy Kennedy died either

 
2013-04-09 01:16:07 PM  

enik: Liberals are classy and not at all vindictive.


bobbiblogger.files.wordpress.com

No one could be as classy as Thatcher
 
2013-04-09 01:18:03 PM  
I don't love or hate her, but I still respect her. I hate how nasty people are. I am also sick of Obama is a Communist!!! crap. To be honest it is difficult to respect Obama and I have my reasons for that. I still wouldn't throw a party celebrating his death. That just makes people look like retards.

I remember when Nixon died my American History teacher celebrated. I couldn't understand why. He hadn't been president for years and had no influence on politics. So why celebrate an elderly man's death?

Chavez was a full retard. Still didn't celebrate his death. The man suffered from cancer. Why should I celebrate that?
 
2013-04-09 01:21:35 PM  
Most of the Brits whinging about Thatcher must have forgotten how bad it was in the late 70s. I don't think there is anyone that completely agrees with everything Thatcher did, but the glee over her death is sickening.
 
2013-04-09 01:21:58 PM  

lilbjorn: enik: Liberals are classy and not at all vindictive.

[bobbiblogger.files.wordpress.com image 468x292]

No one could be as classy as Thatcher



To be fair, he was a terrorist...

As anyone watching season 2 of Battlestar Galactica knows, terrorism isn't always bad.,...
 
2013-04-09 01:23:40 PM  

justinguarini4ever: Most of the Brits whinging about Thatcher must have forgotten how bad it was in the late 70s. I don't think there is anyone that completely agrees with everything Thatcher did, but the glee over her death is sickening.


I'm sure bobby Sands knows exactly how you feel.
 
2013-04-09 01:23:53 PM  
Everyone who has posted pictures of celebration in England you owe me a new keyboard.
 
2013-04-09 01:25:56 PM  

Marine1: Irregardless: Thatcher's tenure in a numerical nutshell via Wikipedia.

GDP and public spending by classification - % change in real terms 1979/80 to 1989/90
GDP.                                        +23.3
Total government spending     +12.9
Law and order                          +53.3
Employment and training         +33.3
Health                                      +31.8
Social security                         +31.8
Transport                                 −5.8
Trade and industry                  −38.2
Housing                                   −67.0
Defence                                   −3.3

Looks like a relatively good run to me.


UK GDP doubled in that time, so did pound inflation. So it should be more like a 100% real GDP increase, 0% nominal increase.
 
2013-04-09 01:26:16 PM  
Pelosi or Feinstein died?
 
2013-04-09 01:28:10 PM  

impaler: So it should be more like a 100% nominal GDP increase, 0% real increase.


FTFM
 
2013-04-09 01:31:46 PM  

skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: genner: Stay classy liberals.

enik: Liberals are classy and not at all vindictive.

There are assholes on all sides of the political spectrum.

There's no need to make this a liberal vs. conservative pissing match.

oh, today is the day we're not gonna do that? I knew we had it on the calendar but I thought it was next Tuesday.


No, FARK's "no politics allowed" days are scheduled only for when liberals are doing something embarrassing.
 
2013-04-09 01:34:38 PM  

Tatterdemalian: skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: genner: Stay classy liberals.

enik: Liberals are classy and not at all vindictive.

There are assholes on all sides of the political spectrum.

There's no need to make this a liberal vs. conservative pissing match.

oh, today is the day we're not gonna do that? I knew we had it on the calendar but I thought it was next Tuesday.

No, FARK's "no politics allowed" days are scheduled only for when liberals are doing something embarrassing.


That seems to be the case depending on which "side" is doing the stupid shiat. Just happens that righties get to dominate the headlines in that regard these days.

Yes, I just did a both sides are bad. Suck it
 
2013-04-09 01:35:05 PM  

Tatterdemalian: No, FARK's "no politics allowed" days are scheduled only for when liberals are doing something embarrassing.


That or some random Friday night when Drew is wasted beyond all belief.
 
2013-04-09 01:36:30 PM  

Infinity370: You all celebrated when Chavez died


Of course we did. The world is better off without some people. We also celebrated when Ted Kennedy died, and all of you lost your shiat. That is why people are saying "stay classy."

"Pointing out hypocrisy is hypocrisy" is no more valid than "pointing out racism is racism."
 
2013-04-09 01:45:33 PM  

umad: Infinity370: You all celebrated when Chavez died

Of course we did. The world is better off without some people. We also celebrated when Ted Kennedy died, and all of you lost your shiat. That is why people are saying "stay classy."

"Pointing out hypocrisy is hypocrisy" is no more valid than "pointing out racism is racism."


speak for yourself
 
2013-04-09 01:48:18 PM  
Progressive/Socialist  HATE is unlike any other

/thrive on hate
 
2013-04-09 01:48:23 PM  

lordaction: More proof on how intolerant and sexist the leftists really are.


Because criticism of one woman means you hate them all? What are you? A FeminaziTM?

You can sure pack a lot of logical fallacies in one little sentence.

Unpacking, it basically says:

All leftists are intolerant and sexist.

I doubt if you could say that of Nazis or bigoted right-wing nuns, let alone liberals. They may be rare, but some Nazis were feminists, and some bigoted right-wing nuns are feminists of a sort as well.

An additional bonus fallacy of special pleading is committed if you ignore how many conservatives are intolerant and sexist. It is beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt, a larger percentage of conservatives than liberals. Liberals are supposed to be tolerant and non-sexist. No doubt some fail but conservatives hold inherently intolerant and distrustful views of humanity, let alone women. It's tradition. It's also inherent in the conservative ideology (insofar as the various groups of people who shelter under that label have anything in common).

Take Hilary Clinton ... please! (rimshot)

Speaking for myself, as a dyed in the wool, registered Thatcher-Hater, there are plenty of women, even obnoxious women, whose qualities I respect.

Laura Bush is charming even if she married George Bush, but Ma Bush is a battleax in any political camp.

Hilary Clinton is abrasive and annoying, but she has some admirable qualities and thus even Republicans might occasionally respect her authoritah. Olympia Snow does not raise my ire whether she is a liberal or conservative, and she has voted as both. Although a Conservative and Texan, you can't help liking the late maverick Governor Ann Richards, even though it was not she who came up with the quip about George H.W. Bush Sr. being born with a silver foot in his mouth (she admitted she was quoting someone else).

In my native Province, the former Mayor of Saint John, MP, and erstwhile half of the Conservative Rump left when the Conservative Party collapsed to a historic low of two MPs, Elsie Wayne is a rabid reactionary on social issues, but has been occasionally quite amusing and shown great spunk. She once dressed as a (male) waiter to get into an event that was closed to her as a woman. And she has a formidable collection of tacky Christmas sweaters, some of which light up. You have to respect her moxy even if you deplore her stupidity. No liberal that I know of has a problem with Mary Robinson of Ireland or Mrs. Brundtland of Norway.

People who dislike Lucretia Borgia, Carrie Nation, or the fictional Lady MacBeth don't necessarily disrespect Florence Nightingale, Madame Curie, or Queen Victoria.

Everybody found Bella Abzug somewhat funny, but that doesn't mean that the whole female sex is funny, or that feminists are funny, or Jews are funny (although you might get a pass for that last one) and it doesn't mean that she was not a lady of some worthy qualities. A sizeable miniority of the female sex is less charming than Ann Coulter. They must number in their scores. But what one feels about Ann Coulter does not translate to her sex or ELSE THE FARKING HUMAN RACE WOULD BE LONG EXTINCT.

It's arrant nonsense to claim that one side of a partisan divide bases its antipathies entirely on the sex or race of their opponents and enemies, even when that side of the partisan divide is notoriously gynophobic, sexist, chauvinistic, bigoted, and racist, as American Conservatives have long been. Some liberal and moderate conservatives, at least, are smart enough not to put down women. They wisely fear them. Even a stupid woman can be a relentless and dangerous adversary.

I refuse to allow any person to equate my well-grounded loathing of that biatch Ann Coulter with a universal gynophobia or even a universal loathing of specifically conservative women or conservatives generally. It isn't strong conservative women who are hated. It is evil Conservative women. It is stupid conservative women. And Ann Coulter is evil and shamelessly and unrelentingly partisan above and beyond the call of duty, or common sense, or reason. She is inherently hateful because she is a professional hater and attention-whore. A website that ranked political pundits on their partisanship found she was the most extremely partisan conservative, with Paul Krugman as the most extremely partisan liberal. But Paul Krugman is a pussy cat compared to Ann Coulter. He may be a partisan but he is also a thinker and reasonably polite and honest.

It as as absurd to claim that the intense dislike that Margaret Thatcher continues to inspire (even among Conservatives, and for that matter, her own former cabinet minister and her own sex) is the product of sexism as it is to claim that antipathy to Adolf Hitler is a product of anti-Germanism or an antipathy to Pol Pot's genocidal policies is pure hatred of, let's say Buddhism or Cambodians or socialism. I doubt if he was even a bad Buddhist. He certainly wasn't a Good Buddhist. He wasn't even a Good Socialist. He was pure evil, like newspaper comics.

Thatcher's strengths were also her vices. She was fearless and strong, but she was a bully. She was moral but she came off as self-righteous, hectoring, a Church Lady. She was sincere in her conservatism, but her conservatism was callous, intolerant and judgmental. She was "patriotic" but also jingoist and chauvinistic, a Little Englander heart, mind, body and soul.

She was larger than life, but like the heroes and heroines of a Greek Tragedy, she was possessed by a tragic flaw that made her a tragic hero--certainly tragic for anybody who got in front of the wheels of her chariot. To those she was Juggernaut, the Destroyer of Worlds.
 
2013-04-09 01:50:29 PM  
Bungles:
You clearly have no idea why Right-to-Buy became a disaster, or even understand why it's controversial.

Actually, I have a great idea. We did an equivalent thing here in the US, and it ended up with the same results - a temporary housing bubble, a whole lot of poor people living in houses they couldn't afford, and a bad economy. The Brits did it by selling old housing at low prices.

We did it by "encouraging" banks to loan money to people too poor to actually own homes, instead of selling them a bunch of government-owned flats at below-market prices (which led to speculation and a housing bubble, along with a bunch of temporarily-middle-class people who then wasted all of that money).

It was the same intended result - and ended up with the same unfortunate (and predictable) end.
 
2013-04-09 01:54:21 PM  

cirby: It was the same intended result - and ended up with the same unfortunate (and predictable) end.


Just wait until the education bubble pops...
 
2013-04-09 01:58:09 PM  
Ha! I saw conservatives cheering the fact that Andy-farking-Griffith died and calling him a commie because they found out he was a lifelong liberal and did TV spots supporting "Obamacare."
 
2013-04-09 02:01:00 PM  
fark the liberal douches on Fark.
 
2013-04-09 02:01:45 PM  
HAHHAHAAAAHA

fark you Maggie I hope you are rotting in imaginary hell with Reagan
 
2013-04-09 02:01:54 PM  

technicolor-misfit: Ha! I saw conservatives cheering the fact that Andy-farking-Griffith died and calling him a commie because they found out he was a lifelong liberal and did TV spots supporting "Obamacare."


I always heard Andy Griffith was a huge asshole.
 
2013-04-09 02:03:05 PM  

brantgoose: lordaction: More proof on how intolerant and sexist the leftists really are.

Because criticism of one woman means you hate them all? What are you? A FeminaziTM?

You can sure pack a lot of logical fallacies in one little sentence.

Unpacking, it basically says:

All leftists are intolerant and sexist.

I doubt if you could say that of Nazis or bigoted right-wing nuns, let alone liberals. They may be rare, but some Nazis were feminists, and some bigoted right-wing nuns are feminists of a sort as well.

An additional bonus fallacy of special pleading is committed if you ignore how many conservatives are intolerant and sexist. It is beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt, a larger percentage of conservatives than liberals. Liberals are supposed to be tolerant and non-sexist. No doubt some fail but conservatives hold inherently intolerant and distrustful views of humanity, let alone women. It's tradition. It's also inherent in the conservative ideology (insofar as the various groups of people who shelter under that label have anything in common).

Take Hilary Clinton ... please! (rimshot)

Speaking for myself, as a dyed in the wool, registered Thatcher-Hater, there are plenty of women, even obnoxious women, whose qualities I respect.

Laura Bush is charming even if she married George Bush, but Ma Bush is a battleax in any political camp.

Hilary Clinton is abrasive and annoying, but she has some admirable qualities and thus even Republicans might occasionally respect her authoritah. Olympia Snow does not raise my ire whether she is a liberal or conservative, and she has voted as both. Although a Conservative and Texan, you can't help liking the late maverick Governor Ann Richards, even though it was not she who came up with the quip about George H.W. Bush Sr. being born with a silver foot in his mouth (she admitted she was quoting someone else).

In my native Province, the former Mayor of Saint John, MP, and erstwhile half of the Conservative Rump left when the Conser ...


Can I have some of your Adderall?
 
2013-04-09 02:04:17 PM  

technicolor-misfit: Ha! I saw conservatives cheering the fact that Andy-farking-Griffith died and calling him a commie because they found out he was a lifelong liberal and did TV spots supporting "Obamacare."


I saw you call for the execution of right wingers so STFU. How's that?
 
2013-04-09 02:06:59 PM  

brantgoose: Because criticism of one woman means you hate them all?


Absolutely. For precedence, see the "if you disagree with a black president then you hate black people" common-law that went into effect in 2008. Since it is illegal to discriminate, the law applies to all minorities, including women.
 
2013-04-09 02:10:37 PM  

cirby: We did it by "encouraging" banks to loan money to people too poor to actually own homes, instead of selling them a bunch of government-owned flats at below-market prices (which led to speculation and a housing bubble, along with a bunch of temporarily-middle-class people who then wasted all of that money).


Ah yes, this debunked derp again.

Anything to get peoples eyes off of the fact the GOP drafted the repeal of Glass-Stegal huh?
 
2013-04-09 02:11:13 PM  

ElPresidente: [fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net image 300x450]


Looks like the unemployment lines before Thatcher took office
 
2013-04-09 02:13:09 PM  

enik: Liberals are classy and not at all vindictive.


I had a lot of respect for Eisenhower.

Not so much for conservatives who raped the wider economy for the betterment of a few.

I'm vindictive based upon what she did not who she was.
 
2013-04-09 02:14:46 PM  

skullkrusher: technicolor-misfit: Ha! I saw conservatives cheering the fact that Andy-farking-Griffith died and calling him a commie because they found out he was a lifelong liberal and did TV spots supporting "Obamacare."

I saw you call for the execution of right wingers so STFU. How's that?



Well, that's just good policy.
 
2013-04-09 02:14:55 PM  
Hey, cool! STRAWMAN PARTY!
 
2013-04-09 02:16:19 PM  

cirby: Bungles:
You clearly have no idea why Right-to-Buy became a disaster, or even understand why it's controversial.

Actually, I have a great idea. We did an equivalent thing here in the US, and it ended up with the same results - a temporary housing bubble, a whole lot of poor people living in houses they couldn't afford, and a bad economy. The Brits did it by selling old housing at low prices.

We did it by "encouraging" banks to loan money to people too poor to actually own homes, instead of selling them a bunch of government-owned flats at below-market prices (which led to speculation and a housing bubble, along with a bunch of temporarily-middle-class people who then wasted all of that money).

It was the same intended result - and ended up with the same unfortunate (and predictable) end.


The fatal flaw in the UK system was the total failure to replenish the public housing stock sold.

The issue in the UK was nothing like the US. It had nothing to do with people not repaying their mortgages.

It was totally unlike the US catastrophe.
 
2013-04-09 02:16:39 PM  
You mean, people who suffered mightily under her tyrannical rule are classless for mocking her in death and not, say, drawing and quartering her?  I could certianly think of worse things to do with mad maggie's corpse.
 
2013-04-09 02:20:45 PM  

MyRandomName: Esc7: Again, apparently I'm the libbiest lib in the world for not adoring Margret Thatcher.

I may respect her for being England's first woman prime minister, and having the resolve to more or less successfully win the Falkland's War.  But her economic philosophy is not popular with me and her actions implementing it were horrid.

But since I'm not falling over myself lionizing her I'm a lib and all libs are classless.

You ever stop and wonder WHY people hate her?  WHY so many people don't like her or other conservative policies?

It's so unfair!  We hate things that harm us!  We should be so much more respectful of those that spit in our faces, take our money for the rich, tell us we're going to hell, question our patriotism and make our lives worse!

Are you intentionally ignoring the economic state of britain prior to her election when talking down her economic views? She improved that country economically.


Facts have no place on FARK, you newhere or something?
 
2013-04-09 02:21:58 PM  
Wow, did they have little parties each time she had a stroke?  How much of a bother was she being last week?
 
2013-04-09 02:23:30 PM  

Joe Blowme: MyRandomName: Esc7: Again, apparently I'm the libbiest lib in the world for not adoring Margret Thatcher.

I may respect her for being England's first woman prime minister, and having the resolve to more or less successfully win the Falkland's War.  But her economic philosophy is not popular with me and her actions implementing it were horrid.

But since I'm not falling over myself lionizing her I'm a lib and all libs are classless.

You ever stop and wonder WHY people hate her?  WHY so many people don't like her or other conservative policies?

It's so unfair!  We hate things that harm us!  We should be so much more respectful of those that spit in our faces, take our money for the rich, tell us we're going to hell, question our patriotism and make our lives worse!

Are you intentionally ignoring the economic state of britain prior to her election when talking down her economic views? She improved that country economically.

Facts have no place on FARK, you newhere or something?



The "facts" seem to be that British people, who actually experienced her, often despise her.

Americans, who have some sort of mythical Vaseline image of her, liked her.


Nobody is arguing that 70s Britain was sunshine and roses, but that has little to do with Thatcher's ideological crusade.
 
2013-04-09 02:24:11 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Glass-Stegal


Thank god Clinton wasnt president and had to sign such an evil pos bill right?
 
2013-04-09 02:26:58 PM  

Bungles: Nobody is arguing that 70s Britain was sunshine and roses, but that has little to do with Thatcher's ideological crusade


Of course not, she was just a figure head with no power who did nothing to help anyone, i think she even ate a baby or 2
 
2013-04-09 02:27:49 PM  
Esc7: It's so unfair!  We hate things that harm us!  We should be so much more respectful of those that spit in our faces, take our money for the rich, tell us we're going to hell, question our patriotism and make our lives worse!

/Bears repeating.
//When they ignore your response, that's how you know you're right.
 
2013-04-09 02:28:32 PM  

Joe Blowme: Mrtraveler01: Glass-Stegal

Thank god Clinton wasnt president and had to sign such an evil pos bill right?


So you agree with me that it was as much Clinton's fault as it was the House Republicans fault for getting this repealed then?
 
2013-04-09 02:32:15 PM  

Joe Blowme: Bungles: Nobody is arguing that 70s Britain was sunshine and roses, but that has little to do with Thatcher's ideological crusade

Of course not, she was just a figure head with no power who did nothing to help anyone, i think she even ate a baby or 2



The solution to the 70s malaise wasn't sacking 2/3rds of the people in a town, instituting generational poverty.
 
2013-04-09 02:36:20 PM  

Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.


Thatcher called America the devil?
 
2013-04-09 02:37:56 PM  
Awwww... saw the headline and I thought it was referring to my 7th grade Algebra teacher...
 
2013-04-09 02:40:23 PM  

cirby: Actually, I have a great idea. We did an equivalent thing here in the US, and it ended up with the same results - a temporary housing bubble, a whole lot of poor people living in houses they couldn't afford, and a bad economy. The Brits did it by selling old housing at low prices.

We did it by "encouraging" banks to loan money to people too poor to actually own homes,


This bullshat again.

If by "we" you mean "private banks that bundled those loans into private securities," and "too poor" you mean "not actually poor, but couldn't afford the loan obligations in a declining market (middle-class with ARMs, speculators, etc)...
 
2013-04-09 02:41:27 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher called America the devil?


She called the protesting miners "the enemy within".
 
2013-04-09 02:42:06 PM  
Oh no!  The Irish will get drunk now!!
 
2013-04-09 02:42:37 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: He provided free heating oil to the United States.  Citizens Energy, run by Joe Kennedy, ran ads about this on TV here in the Northeast, where heating oil is pretty commonplace.


Sure he did.  After 90% of the population stopped going to his gas stations.
Often times, in order to get customers or attract good publicity..companies, despots give out free shiat.
 
2013-04-09 02:46:14 PM  

Norfolking Chance: The entire country was up shiat creek with rampant unemployment

.

This part is categorically false. The unemployment rate before the 1979 election was 6%, which to be fair was high by post-war standards. The immediate effect of Thatcher's policies was to double that to more that 12%. She then spent the rest of her reign redefining unemployment and otherwise fiddling with the stats. One of the more creative idea was to shove people onto incapacity benefit, so that they no longer counted as unemployed. As I'm sure you remember, the current lot have been trying to shove those same people back into unemployment in order to screw them out of £20 a week, while claiming that it's all Labour's fault.
 
2013-04-09 02:47:33 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher called America the devil?


No, she called Mandela the devil. Of course, he was melanin challenged so I can understand why her tacit support for the brutal system of apartheid and imrpisoning people for political speech doesn't really bother you. I also recalled when Venezuela and Chavez was taken seriously by anyone outside a soccer field, a miss universe pageant, or Venezuela itself. That was never.
 
2013-04-09 02:49:04 PM  

Bungles: Americans, who have some sort of mythical Vaseline image of her, liked her.


The right-wing media has created that image, same as how they've created an image of Reagan as a perfect god among men. It's deliberate.
 
2013-04-09 02:50:39 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher called America the devil?



Thatcher called British coal miners, dockworkers, and steel workers far, far worse things.

Which means you presumably support the UK celebrations?
 
2013-04-09 02:51:33 PM  

Bungles: Nutsac_Jim: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher called America the devil?


Thatcher called British coal miners, dockworkers, and steel workers far, far worse things.

Which means you presumably support the UK celebrations?


Working people are useless pieces of shiat, don't you know? Except for him, of course. And that's why he could never join a union, he's a special snowflake who would only be dragged down.
 
2013-04-09 02:51:49 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Bungles: Americans, who have some sort of mythical Vaseline image of her, liked her.

The right-wing media has created that image, same as how they've created an image of Reagan as a perfect god among men. It's deliberate.


Unlike the cult of "The one" right?
 
2013-04-09 02:51:50 PM  

Bender The Offender: Nutsac_Jim: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher called America the devil?

No, she called Mandela the devil. Of course, he was melanin challenged so I can understand why her tacit support for the brutal system of apartheid and imrpisoning people for political speech doesn't really bother you. I also recalled when Venezuela and Chavez was taken seriously by anyone outside a soccer field, a miss universe pageant, or Venezuela itself. That was never.


I don't give Reagan that much credit, but I will give him credit for not defending Apartheid. Apparently, that's not as easy as I thought it would be.
 
2013-04-09 02:52:46 PM  

Joe Blowme: A Dark Evil Omen: Bungles: Americans, who have some sort of mythical Vaseline image of her, liked her.

The right-wing media has created that image, same as how they've created an image of Reagan as a perfect god among men. It's deliberate.

Unlike the cult of "The one" right?


You mean Sarah Palin?
 
2013-04-09 02:53:04 PM  

Joe Blowme: A Dark Evil Omen: Bungles: Americans, who have some sort of mythical Vaseline image of her, liked her.

The right-wing media has created that image, same as how they've created an image of Reagan as a perfect god among men. It's deliberate.

Unlike the cult of "The one" right?


The one the right-wing media drafted inside their heads?

No one actually talks like that outside of the right-wing echo chamber.
 
2013-04-09 02:55:04 PM  

Marine1: The difference between the people that hated Thatcher and those who aren't dancing on her grave is that the ones who have a modicum of respect for her are doing something with their lives that doesn't include impotent rage on the internet.


So, you are saying the conservatives in the UK have more class than those in the US. Got it!

As some others have stated on here, there is no shortage of a-holes on either end of the political spectrum. I remember Democrats joking when it was announced Reagan had Ahlzheimer's and I remember the Republican comments when Ted Kennedy died. It wasn't all Democrats nor all Republicans. It was just some that no longer have an ounce of respect for anything differentiating from their worldview. The sooner we can agree to this fact the sooner grownups can come together and figure out how to solve some of the problems we face in this world.
 
2013-04-09 02:55:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Joe Blowme: A Dark Evil Omen: Bungles: Americans, who have some sort of mythical Vaseline image of her, liked her.

The right-wing media has created that image, same as how they've created an image of Reagan as a perfect god among men. It's deliberate.

Unlike the cult of "The one" right?

The one the right-wing media drafted inside their heads?

No one actually talks like that outside of the right-wing echo chamber.


And the week after Obama came under fire from liberals and leftists throughout the country for the idiotic chained CPI proposal, too. It's such well-timed idiotic nonsense with no relationship to reality!
 
2013-04-09 03:01:58 PM  
Bungles:
She did try to end Sunday trading laws though, and was pro-choice and (for the time) pro-gay rights.

Yeah, about that.
 
2013-04-09 03:15:19 PM  

sephjnr: Bungles:
She did try to end Sunday trading laws though, and was pro-choice and (for the time) pro-gay rights.

Yeah, about that.


She was a superb proto-internet troll.

Pro-gay rights in 1970, then BAM! Section 28.
 
2013-04-09 03:23:19 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Cream of Meat: Can a resident limey give me a primer on this lady.  I'm guessing she's the female GWB from the comments above.

Not a Brit, but she was more like Ronald Reagan than GWB.


As a Brit I would have to agree. In the UK people loved her or hater her, very little in between. She dragged the UK out of an economic slump and gave us success for the next 2 decades. Labor party managed to piss it all away.

/I was a fan btw.
 
2013-04-09 03:23:59 PM  
So as an American that was too young to be keeping up with international politics when she was PM what did she do to get everyones panties in a 30 year wad?

I mean was being buddy buddy with St Ronnie and choosing not to roll over and let the argies have the Falklands that big of a deal? Or was it more the domestic stuffs?
 
2013-04-09 03:27:48 PM  

Infinity370: Nutsac_Jim: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher called America the devil?

She called the protesting miners "the enemy within".


How do protesting miners in another country make Americans hypocrites.

You might as well call right wingers hypocrites for being happy OBL is dead.

When someone calls you the devil, you can pretty much be happy when they die, hypocrisy free.
 
2013-04-09 03:31:28 PM  
The only positive thing I can say about the broad, is that the dame should knew how to carry herself. Grade A prime.

Her policies... not so much.
 
2013-04-09 03:32:24 PM  

ReverendJynxed: The only positive thing I can say about the broad, is that the dame should sure knew how to carry herself. Grade A prime.

Her policies... not so much.


FTFM
 
2013-04-09 03:33:50 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Bungles: Nutsac_Jim: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher called America the devil?


Thatcher called British coal miners, dockworkers, and steel workers far, far worse things.

Which means you presumably support the UK celebrations?

Working people are useless pieces of shiat, don't you know? Except for him, of course. And that's why he could never join a union, he's a special snowflake who would only be dragged down.


You know who else killed taxi drivers for crossing strikers picket line?
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2013-04-09 03:40:55 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: A Dark Evil Omen: Bungles: Nutsac_Jim: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher called America the devil?


Thatcher called British coal miners, dockworkers, and steel workers far, far worse things.

Which means you presumably support the UK celebrations?

Working people are useless pieces of shiat, don't you know? Except for him, of course. And that's why he could never join a union, he's a special snowflake who would only be dragged down.

You know who else killed taxi drivers for crossing strikers picket line?
[encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 186x186]


Okay, you got me, well done. You've got some work ahead of you, though, Fark already has some solid comedy trolls and you're gonna have to fight to stand out.
 
2013-04-09 03:41:47 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Infinity370: Nutsac_Jim: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Thatcher called America the devil?

She called the protesting miners "the enemy within".

How do protesting miners in another country make Americans hypocrites.

You might as well call right wingers hypocrites for being happy OBL is dead.

When someone calls you the devil, you can pretty much be happy when they die, hypocrisy free.


She supported Apartheid in South Africa.

That alone is reason enough for me to not like her.
 
2013-04-09 03:43:21 PM  

Bungles: pdee: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Really?  Try out your google foo on 'thatcher death party' compared to 'chavez death party' and observe the difference.


Who in the US was directly impacted by Chavez? Who even knew anything about him beyond talking points?


Anyone over 30 in the UK (and then their parents if not them) personally witnessed what Thatcher did to this country, and their lives.


Funnily enough, one of the only things Thatcher did that the majority of the UK agrees with is the Falklands, which the US apparently either doesn't give two craps about or thinks she was wrong.


The only thing "wrong" we thought about the Faulkland's war is that after waging it the UK didn't immediately build two supercarriers.  We followed the war like a football match.  Much comentary was generated and the example of the difficulties the UK encountered in tossing the Argentines off the island was used as justification for 20 years of military spending.  The debate about the US expanding the Navy in the 80s came to a sudden halt when we saw how much trouble the UK had in dealing with the situation.  The check was written and we just finished that fleet expansion in 2009 with the commisioning of the G.H.W. Bush coont7) and little to no opposition to a new class of carriers (Ford class) was ever brought up.  The faulkland's war has had tremendous impact on US Navy planning.
 
2013-04-09 03:48:05 PM  
Labour party leader Ed Miliband acknowledged Thatcher's polarising effect on the British public in a statement which read: 'The Labour Party disagreed with much of what she did and she will always remain a controversial figure. But we can disagree and also greatly respect her political achievements and her personal strength.

'She also defined the politics of the 1980s. David Cameron, Nick Clegg and I all grew up in a politics shaped by Lady Thatcher. We took different paths but with her as the crucial figure of that era.



Well put, and also a good example of a principle I try to live by (although I plan to make an exception and celebrate when Pat Robertson or any of the hateful Phelps clan kicks the bucket...)
 
2013-04-09 03:53:40 PM  

MadHatter500: Bungles: pdee: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Really?  Try out your google foo on 'thatcher death party' compared to 'chavez death party' and observe the difference.


Who in the US was directly impacted by Chavez? Who even knew anything about him beyond talking points?


Anyone over 30 in the UK (and then their parents if not them) personally witnessed what Thatcher did to this country, and their lives.


Funnily enough, one of the only things Thatcher did that the majority of the UK agrees with is the Falklands, which the US apparently either doesn't give two craps about or thinks she was wrong.

The only thing "wrong" we thought about the Faulkland's war is that after waging it the UK didn't immediately build two supercarriers.  We followed the war like a football match.  Much comentary was generated and the example of the difficulties the UK encountered in tossing the Argentines off the island was used as justification for 20 years of military spending.  The debate about the US expanding the Navy in the 80s came to a sudden halt when we saw how much trouble the UK had in dealing with the situation.  The check was written and we just finished that fleet expansion in 2009 with the commisioning of the G.H.W. Bush coont7) and little to no opposition to a new class of carriers (Ford class) was ever brought up.  The faulkland's war has had tremendous impact on US Navy planning.


OK fark tools, you have me commenting on my own damn post!

coont7 -> coont7?  Give me a freaking break!
 
2013-04-09 03:55:30 PM  

justinguarini4ever: Most of the Brits whinging about Thatcher must have forgotten how bad it was in the late 70s. I don't think there is anyone that completely agrees with everything Thatcher did, but the glee over her death is sickening.


Oh I don't know. Decimating entire working class towns' economies and selling off national assets to make already rich people richer at the greater expense and livelihoods of millions.

Yeah, they have no reasons. Yes the economy was bad and needed fixing but her measures only improved the top 5%'s welfare.
 
2013-04-09 04:16:41 PM  

MadHatter500: Bungles: pdee: Infinity370: To all whining rightwingers. You all celebrated when Chavez died, you hypocrites.

Really?  Try out your google foo on 'thatcher death party' compared to 'chavez death party' and observe the difference.


Who in the US was directly impacted by Chavez? Who even knew anything about him beyond talking points?


Anyone over 30 in the UK (and then their parents if not them) personally witnessed what Thatcher did to this country, and their lives.


Funnily enough, one of the only things Thatcher did that the majority of the UK agrees with is the Falklands, which the US apparently either doesn't give two craps about or thinks she was wrong.

The only thing "wrong" we thought about the Faulkland's war is that after waging it the UK didn't immediately build two supercarriers.  We followed the war like a football match.  Much comentary was generated and the example of the difficulties the UK encountered in tossing the Argentines off the island was used as justification for 20 years of military spending.  The debate about the US expanding the Navy in the 80s came to a sudden halt when we saw how much trouble the UK had in dealing with the situation.  The check was written and we just finished that fleet expansion in 2009 with the commisioning of the G.H.W. Bush coont7) and little to no opposition to a new class of carriers (Ford class) was ever brought up.  The faulkland's war has had tremendous impact on US Navy planning.


Yeah, the Pacific Theatre in WWII had nothing to do with America's interest in the importance of aircraft carriers.
 
2013-04-09 04:20:15 PM  
I hope she sucks pinochets cock in hell.
 
2013-04-09 04:23:24 PM  
Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.
 
2013-04-09 04:29:22 PM  

dready zim: I hope she sucks pinochets cock in hell


Login: dready zim
Location:  Milk and Beans, UK

/while iam not sure I entirely agree i feel i should defer to your experiences and proximity to the issue
 
2013-04-09 04:35:51 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: G.H.W. Bush coont7)


*Snort*
 
2013-04-09 04:37:46 PM  
So if everyone hated her, why did she win 3 elections?
 
2013-04-09 04:51:21 PM  

Gsm136: Smoky Dragon Dish: G.H.W. Bush coont7)

*Snort*


I can't take credit.  That was someone else who said that.
 
2013-04-09 04:58:32 PM  

Smoky Dragon Dish: Cream of Meat: Can a resident limey give me a primer on this lady.  I'm guessing she's the female GWB from the comments above.

Not a Brit, but she was more like Ronald Reagan than GWB.

 
2013-04-09 05:01:18 PM  
Was trying to say more like a female Clinton politically than Reagan or GWB.  That being said England is a good bit more liberal than the US so I get the point of using guys that have different views than her.
 
2013-04-09 05:13:25 PM  

Hiro-ACiD: Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.


Amazing that the left has completely whitewashed his reputation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

The ANC was the best of both worlds, communist and terrorist.
 
2013-04-09 05:20:49 PM  

Cataholic: Hiro-ACiD: Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.

Amazing that the left has completely whitewashed his reputation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

The ANC was the best of both worlds, communist and terrorist.


So how long before it goes full Zimbabwe and abandon all of the lofty ideals it started with and revert back to corruption, if ever?
 
2013-04-09 05:23:22 PM  

jigger: So if everyone hated her, why did she win 3 elections?



1) Strike chaos.

2) Falklands jingoism.

3) Neil Kinnock's incompetence.
 
2013-04-09 05:28:37 PM  
Brit libs as classy as their American counterparts? Who knew?
 
2013-04-09 05:34:15 PM  

Cataholic: Hiro-ACiD: Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.

Amazing that the left has completely whitewashed his reputation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

The ANC was the best of both worlds, communist and terrorist.


We get it.  You're still butthurt about the fall of Apartheid.
 
2013-04-09 05:34:31 PM  

vonster: Brit libs as classy as their American counterparts? Who knew?


If you mean very classy, then yes, yes we are.

People happy when someone who ruined millions of lives dies! Who would have thought!
 
2013-04-09 05:39:37 PM  
I wish she was still alive so she could farking die again.
 
2013-04-09 05:50:33 PM  

Fart_Machine: Cataholic: Hiro-ACiD: Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.

Amazing that the left has completely whitewashed his reputation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

The ANC was the best of both worlds, communist and terrorist.

We get it.  You're still butthurt about the fall of Apartheid.


Careful, your false dichotomy is showing.
 
2013-04-09 05:54:45 PM  

Cataholic: Fart_Machine: Cataholic: Hiro-ACiD: Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.

Amazing that the left has completely whitewashed his reputation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

The ANC was the best of both worlds, communist and terrorist.

We get it.  You're still butthurt about the fall of Apartheid.

Careful, your false dichotomy is showing.


I miss Apartheid too.
 
2013-04-09 06:00:00 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Cataholic: Fart_Machine: Cataholic: Hiro-ACiD: Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.

Amazing that the left has completely whitewashed his reputation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

The ANC was the best of both worlds, communist and terrorist.

We get it.  You're still butthurt about the fall of Apartheid.

Careful, your false dichotomy is showing.

I miss Apartheid too.


Nelson Mandela was a founding member of Umkhonto we Sizwe. Umkhonto we Sizwe engaged in terroristic activities. Looks like it is possible for reality based entities to both oppose Apartheid and call ANC a terrorist organization. At least for the part of its history where Thatcher would be commenting on their activities.
 
2013-04-09 06:05:57 PM  

skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: Cataholic: Fart_Machine: Cataholic: Hiro-ACiD: Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.

Amazing that the left has completely whitewashed his reputation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

The ANC was the best of both worlds, communist and terrorist.

We get it.  You're still butthurt about the fall of Apartheid.

Careful, your false dichotomy is showing.

I miss Apartheid too.

Nelson Mandela was a founding member of Umkhonto we Sizwe. Umkhonto we Sizwe engaged in terroristic activities. Looks like it is possible for reality based entities to both oppose Apartheid and call ANC a terrorist organization. At least for the part of its history where Thatcher would be commenting on their activities.


Except that Thatcher supported apartheid.
 
2013-04-09 06:09:15 PM  

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: Cataholic: Fart_Machine: Cataholic: Hiro-ACiD: Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.

Amazing that the left has completely whitewashed his reputation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

The ANC was the best of both worlds, communist and terrorist.

We get it.  You're still butthurt about the fall of Apartheid.

Careful, your false dichotomy is showing.

I miss Apartheid too.

Nelson Mandela was a founding member of Umkhonto we Sizwe. Umkhonto we Sizwe engaged in terroristic activities. Looks like it is possible for reality based entities to both oppose Apartheid and call ANC a terrorist organization. At least for the part of its history where Thatcher would be commenting on their activities.

Except that Thatcher supported apartheid.


what does that have to do with whether UwS was a terrorist organization and, as a result, it is possible to call them a terrorist organization yet not support Apartheid?
She isn't here for several reasons.
 
2013-04-09 06:53:43 PM  

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: Cataholic: Fart_Machine: Cataholic: Hiro-ACiD: Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.

Amazing that the left has completely whitewashed his reputation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

The ANC was the best of both worlds, communist and terrorist.

We get it.  You're still butthurt about the fall of Apartheid.

Careful, your false dichotomy is showing.

I miss Apartheid too.

Nelson Mandela was a founding member of Umkhonto we Sizwe. Umkhonto we Sizwe engaged in terroristic activities. Looks like it is possible for reality based entities to both oppose Apartheid and call ANC a terrorist organization. At least for the part of its history where Thatcher would be commenting on their activities.

Except that Thatcher supported apartheid.

what does that have to do with whether UwS was a terrorist organization and, as a result, it is possible to call them a terrorist organization yet not support Apartheid?
She isn't here for several reasons.


Because it's a thread about Thatcher?

As they say one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. At the time Thatcher denounced Mandella she helped block international sanctions against the South African government for murdering thousands. If you want to be consistent then both would have been done.
 
2013-04-09 07:00:36 PM  
Hey Libs - Where is all your pent up righteous indignation now?

Remember how upset all you got when some people cheered loudly and wildly here on Fark when Teddy (Chappaquiddick Boy) Kennedy finally shuffled off his immoral coil?

Wow, you sure were upset.  Remember?  Threats . Crying.  Butt hurt.  Butt hurt everywhere.

Now?  What happened?

See...this is why you get NO respect from rational people.

Eat a bag of dicks.
 
2013-04-09 07:12:18 PM  

phantomerick: Hey Libs - Where is all your pent up righteous indignation now?

Remember how upset all you got when some people cheered loudly and wildly here on Fark when Teddy (Chappaquiddick Boy) Kennedy finally shuffled off his immoral coil?

Wow, you sure were upset.  Remember?  Threats . Crying.  Butt hurt.  Butt hurt everywhere.

Now?  What happened?

See...this is why you get NO respect from rational people.

Eat a bag of dicks.


Yup I'm sure you remember that since your account was just created. Good bye troll.

Ploink
 
2013-04-09 07:24:50 PM  

phantomerick: Hey Libs - Where is all your pent up righteous indignation now?

Remember how upset all you got when some people cheered loudly and wildly here on Fark when Teddy (Chappaquiddick Boy) Kennedy finally shuffled off his immoral coil?

Wow, you sure were upset.  Remember?  Threats . Crying.  Butt hurt.  Butt hurt everywhere.

Now?  What happened?

See...this is why you get NO respect from rational people.

Eat a bag of dicks.


Are you calling 80% of the UK population irrational?
 
2013-04-09 07:38:42 PM  

skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: Cataholic: Fart_Machine: Cataholic: Hiro-ACiD: Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.

Amazing that the left has completely whitewashed his reputation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

The ANC was the best of both worlds, communist and terrorist.

We get it.  You're still butthurt about the fall of Apartheid.

Careful, your false dichotomy is showing.

I miss Apartheid too.

Nelson Mandela was a founding member of Umkhonto we Sizwe. Umkhonto we Sizwe engaged in terroristic activities. Looks like it is possible for reality based entities to both oppose Apartheid and call ANC a terrorist organization. At least for the part of its history where Thatcher would be commenting on their activities.


And from the occupying British forces perspective the American rebellion was a bunch of terrorists interfering with crown rule.

We get it. Nelson mandela is black.
 
2013-04-09 07:57:27 PM  

phantomerick: Hey Libs - Where is all your pent up righteous indignation now?

Remember how upset all you got when some people cheered loudly and wildly here on Fark when Teddy (Chappaquiddick Boy) Kennedy finally shuffled off his immoral coil?

Wow, you sure were upset.  Remember?  Threats . Crying.  Butt hurt.  Butt hurt everywhere.

Now?  What happened?

See...this is why you get NO respect from rational people.

Eat a bag of dicks.


You don't speak for rational people. Also, don't compare a good man like Ted Kennedy to someone like her.
 
2013-04-09 08:14:09 PM  

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: Cataholic: Fart_Machine: Cataholic: Hiro-ACiD: Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.

Amazing that the left has completely whitewashed his reputation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

The ANC was the best of both worlds, communist and terrorist.

We get it.  You're still butthurt about the fall of Apartheid.

Careful, your false dichotomy is showing.

I miss Apartheid too.

Nelson Mandela was a founding member of Umkhonto we Sizwe. Umkhonto we Sizwe engaged in terroristic activities. Looks like it is possible for reality based entities to both oppose Apartheid and call ANC a terrorist organization. At least for the part of its history where Thatcher would be commenting on their activities.

Except that Thatcher supported apartheid.

what does that have to do with whether UwS was a terrorist organization and, as a result, it is possible to call them a terrorist organization yet not support Apartheid?
She isn't here for several reasons.

Because it's a thread about Thatcher?

As they say one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. At the time Thatcher denounced Mandella she helped block international sanctions against the South African government for murdering thousands. If you want to be consistent then both would have been done.


Oh please you know what I was responding to
 
2013-04-09 08:15:44 PM  

lohphat: skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: Cataholic: Fart_Machine: Cataholic: Hiro-ACiD: Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.

Amazing that the left has completely whitewashed his reputation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

The ANC was the best of both worlds, communist and terrorist.

We get it.  You're still butthurt about the fall of Apartheid.

Careful, your false dichotomy is showing.

I miss Apartheid too.

Nelson Mandela was a founding member of Umkhonto we Sizwe. Umkhonto we Sizwe engaged in terroristic activities. Looks like it is possible for reality based entities to both oppose Apartheid and call ANC a terrorist organization. At least for the part of its history where Thatcher would be commenting on their activities.

And from the occupying British forces perspective the American rebellion was a bunch of terrorists interfering with crown rule.

We get it. Nelson mandela is black.


And the founder and spiritual leader of an organization which killed civilians to reach political goals. We get it. You breath through your mouth
 
2013-04-09 08:18:35 PM  

skullkrusher: lohphat: skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: Cataholic: Fart_Machine: Cataholic: Hiro-ACiD: Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.

Amazing that the left has completely whitewashed his reputation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

The ANC was the best of both worlds, communist and terrorist.

We get it.  You're still butthurt about the fall of Apartheid.

Careful, your false dichotomy is showing.

I miss Apartheid too.

Nelson Mandela was a founding member of Umkhonto we Sizwe. Umkhonto we Sizwe engaged in terroristic activities. Looks like it is possible for reality based entities to both oppose Apartheid and call ANC a terrorist organization. At least for the part of its history where Thatcher would be commenting on their activities.

And from the occupying British forces perspective the American rebellion was a bunch of terrorists interfering with crown rule.

We get it. Nelson mandela is black.

And the founder and spiritual leader of an organization which killed civilians to reach political goals. We get it. You breath through your mouth


Spiritual in terms of his inspirational leadership. Not meant to imply an overt religious meaning. The firing of the ganglia on you types is so very easy to predict
 
2013-04-09 08:22:38 PM  

blindio: This is unacceptable, you should all learn about how to behave by looking back at how conservatives behaved when Ted Kennedy died, because that was a totally different experience, everyone was very respectful, and had kind words for the Kennedy family... or am I remembering it wrong....


If you're going by the fark thread, yeah. The moderators deleted the posts that made conservatives look like what they are.
 
2013-04-09 08:27:56 PM  
oops, forgot the 'e' on "breathe". That pretty much covers all the possible responses you had, lohphat. No need to respond any further.
 
2013-04-09 08:36:05 PM  
why do most Britons rejoice so..... ?

For
The Miners
The Shipbuilders
The Steelworkers
The Old that Froze to Death
The Old that Couldn't Afford Food
For the Thousands Made Homeless

For
The North
The Disenfranchised Black Youth
The Lost Generation of Young
The Hillsborough families
The men dead in a conflict designed to win her an election
The men traumatised from the Falklands War
For Northern Ireland

For every LGBT kid who committed suicide due to Section 28 in schools
The teachers
The victims of gaybashing which were never investigated due to pressure from her government
For the gay men stitched up and banged up for being gay

For
The women of Greenham Common who were beaten and had their kids forcibly taken into care for no reason
For the men and women assaulted in the Battle of the Beanfield
For the men and women consigned to the scrapheap
For the services that used to belong to all of us and now are badly run in the hands of the rich
For the country that used to stand for social justice and created the National Health Service
The mentally ill thrown out on the streets
The children abused in care homes and ignored or worse abused by some in her government

THAT (and so much more) is WHY !
 
2013-04-10 12:06:24 AM  

Joe Blowme: Mrtraveler01: Glass-Stegal

Thank god Clinton wasnt president and had to sign such an evil pos bill right?


Yeah... I mean with a veto proof republican House and senate at the time... no way would it have passed, right?
Moran. The bill was written by republicans, sponsored by republicans, and even if Clinton wouldn't have signed it the goddamn thing would still have been voted into law by republicans. They started the whole mess as a favor to their corporate banking butt buddies, because this is what they wanted.
 
2013-04-10 12:14:33 AM  

rewind2846: Joe Blowme: Mrtraveler01: Glass-Stegal

Thank god Clinton wasnt president and had to sign such an evil pos bill right?

Yeah... I mean with a veto proof republican House and senate at the time... no way would it have passed, right?
Moran. The bill was written by republicans, sponsored by republicans, and even if Clinton wouldn't have signed it the goddamn thing would still have been voted into law by republicans. They started the whole mess as a favor to their corporate banking butt buddies, because this is what they wanted.


except the GOP alone didn't have the votes to overturn a Presidential veto and the final tally for the finished bill was 362-57 and 90-8. That's pretty farking bipartisan
 
2013-04-10 01:37:08 AM  

xria: UNC_Samurai: A Dark Evil Omen: UNC_Samurai: genner: Stay classy liberals.

Somehow I don't think political ideology is the underlying factor with mining towns and other segments of the population that got the business end of her policies, but by all means continue to lay down your partisan trolling hackery.

No, no, anyone who is against conservative policies that rob them personally and is angry at the person who championed them is clearly a liberal socialist lizard person. They can't be just mad about having their pockets picked.

I keep forgetting, it isn't morally reprehensible when businesses keep wages low for profit, only when governments take the money to run the nation.

There is another interesting comparison - if unions strike when the economy is bad to try and protect their members, they get lambasted for it. When businesses sack people and close down offices when the economy is bad to protect their money, that is just natural and should be expected. Interesting how when "capital" hurts the broader economy for their own protection it is okay, but if "labour" does it then it is not.


You are now coloured in my 'like' colour after that comment. Needs repeating.
 
2013-04-10 01:38:54 AM  

Infinity370: She supported apartheid and considered Nelson Mandela's ANC a terrorist organisation.
She aided the Khmer Rouge while they were killing millions of Cambodians.
She called General Suharto, mass-murdering dictator of Indonesia "one of our very best and most valuable friends."
She praised and supported Pinochet long after it was known he was responsible for killing hundreds of dissidents.
Her so-called 'poll tax' was hated because it shifted the tax burden from the rich to the poor.
She supported laws which made homosexuality a taboo subject and closed gay and lesbian support centres.

Now watch as rigtwingers whitewash this just as they whitewashed Reagan's legacy.


Wow that was pretty succinct.

She also believed in rich people being better than the poor and in trickle down economics (some really insane farks still do.)
 
2013-04-10 01:41:58 AM  

wotthefark: why do most Britons rejoice so..... ?

For
The Miners
The Shipbuilders
The Steelworkers
The Old that Froze to Death
The Old that Couldn't Afford Food
For the Thousands Made Homeless

For
The North
The Disenfranchised Black Youth
The Lost Generation of Young
The Hillsborough families
The men dead in a conflict designed to win her an election
The men traumatised from the Falklands War
For Northern Ireland

For every LGBT kid who committed suicide due to Section 28 in schools
The teachers
The victims of gaybashing which were never investigated due to pressure from her government
For the gay men stitched up and banged up for being gay

For
The women of Greenham Common who were beaten and had their kids forcibly taken into care for no reason
For the men and women assaulted in the Battle of the Beanfield
For the men and women consigned to the scrapheap
For the services that used to belong to all of us and now are badly run in the hands of the rich
For the country that used to stand for social justice and created the National Health Service
The mentally ill thrown out on the streets
The children abused in care homes and ignored or worse abused by some in her government

THAT (and so much more) is WHY !


OK Infinity370's post wasn't as succinct as I thought ... I was trying to not speak ill of the dead, even though she really was an insane for-the-1% biatch.
 
2013-04-10 01:44:38 AM  

genner: Stay classy liberals.


I'm sure the teatards will be similarly classy when B. Hussein Osama kicks off.
 
2013-04-10 01:44:48 AM  

skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: Cataholic: Fart_Machine: Cataholic: Hiro-ACiD: Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.

Amazing that the left has completely whitewashed his reputation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

The ANC was the best of both worlds, communist and terrorist.

We get it.  You're still butthurt about the fall of Apartheid.

Careful, your false dichotomy is showing.

I miss Apartheid too.

Nelson Mandela was a founding member of Umkhonto we Sizwe. Umkhonto we Sizwe engaged in terroristic activities. Looks like it is possible for reality based entities to both oppose Apartheid and call ANC a terrorist organization. At least for the part of its history where Thatcher would be commenting on their activities.


You do realise that there comes a time when "terroistic activites" are called for?

Pretty sure the Germans considered the french resistance terrorists ...
 
2013-04-10 02:28:11 AM  

wotthefark: why do most Britons rejoice so..... ?

For
The Miners
The Shipbuilders
The Steelworkers
The Old that Froze to Death
The Old that Couldn't Afford Food
For the Thousands Made Homeless

For
The North
The Disenfranchised Black Youth
The Lost Generation of Young
The Hillsborough families
The men dead in a conflict designed to win her an election
The men traumatised from the Falklands War
For Northern Ireland

For every LGBT kid who committed suicide due to Section 28 in schools
The teachers
The victims of gaybashing which were never investigated due to pressure from her government
For the gay men stitched up and banged up for being gay

For
The women of Greenham Common who were beaten and had their kids forcibly taken into care for no reason
For the men and women assaulted in the Battle of the Beanfield
For the men and women consigned to the scrapheap
For the services that used to belong to all of us and now are badly run in the hands of the rich
For the country that used to stand for social justice and created the National Health Service
The mentally ill thrown out on the streets
The children abused in care homes and ignored or worse abused by some in her government

THAT (and so much more) is WHY !


So it would have been better for the whole nation to go down together as one big happy Labor family?

During the 1970's, the British economy lost almost 62,000 worker years of production from strikes and work stoppages due to labor disputes. The British rate of lost production due to strikes and work stoppages was about 150% higher than in the United States during the 1970's. By the 1990's, after the Thatcher government reforms, lost production due to strikes were less than 5% of the levels in the 1970's. In fact, during the 1990's, lost production due to strikes and labor disputes were 22% lower in Britain than in the United States (relative to the size of the countries' labor forces) and remain lower to this day.

Sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet...
 
2013-04-10 03:46:27 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-10 05:32:16 AM  

Norfolking Chance: The entire country was up shiat creek with rampant unemployment, nationalised industries that had dragged the country into bankruptcy and unions whose leadership were living the good life and wanted to be more powerful than the elected government.


You really lose any authority when you talk about Thatcher and unemployment given that the previous Labour government was committed to Full Employment, and indeed there were about 1.5m unemployed when Thatcher took charge (about 6%, up from about 4%), and over 3m for most of the time she was in power (about 10-12%) - and this wasn't by coincidence of things outside her control, one of her first acts was to get interest rates jacked up, which of course was designed to increase unemployment (with the commensurate expected effect of reducing wage push inflation - of course that was only part of the inflation of the 1970s, much of it was related to OPEC and the energy crisis, which obviously started sorting itself out in the early 1980s as the high prices during some of the 70s had caused a lot more investment and development of new oil fields/techniques and hence the glut and low price during the 80s).

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate

Also nation debt was stable in the UK throught the 70s at about 40% of GDP - in the second half of the 80s it was paid down to under 30% by the Thatcher government (mostly from NSO revenues), but this was spent by the Major government so it was back at around 40% of GDP by the time "New Labour" takes power (who then did their own cycle of paying it down in their first term or so, before easing the purse strings and on course to head back to about 40% or so again, that is until the global economy exploded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UK_GDP.png

The same with the coal industry. The main use for coal was in power stations, you know those smoke chugging power stations that belch out CO2, sulphur and radioactivity that needed to be replaced with much cleaner energy if we want to slow down climate change.
That would be a valid point if we had actually moved away from using coal in that era - we didn't, as late as 1991 coal was still nearly 70% of UK Energy production (pretty much the same area it had been since the 60s), it was just being shipped from Australia instead of dug out of the ground locally (after 1991 we switched over largely to Gas as a cheap/easy way of cutting CO2 after signing up to Kyoto)

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/6498/energy/the-decline-of-the-uk- co al-industry/
(see the graph title Energy Sources UK about half way down)
 
2013-04-10 05:47:55 AM  

Gleeman: During the 1970's, the British economy lost almost 62,000 worker years of production from strikes and work stoppages due to labor disputes.


And during the 1980s, the British economy lost over 14 million worker years of production from increased unemployment compared to the 1970s.

Which is higher: 62,000 or 14,000,000?
 
2013-04-10 09:51:54 AM  

xria: Gleeman: During the 1970's, the British economy lost almost 62,000 worker years of production from strikes and work stoppages due to labor disputes.

And during the 1980s, the British economy lost over 14 million worker years of production from increased unemployment compared to the 1970s.

Which is higher: 62,000 or 14,000,000?


But would the economy have recovered at all without Thatcher's policies? What was the unemployment at the end of her administration, not at the beginning of the recover?
 
2013-04-10 10:37:08 AM  

Langdon_777: skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: Cataholic: Fart_Machine: Cataholic: Hiro-ACiD: Nice win for Nelson Mandela. I imagine he cracked a tallboy and did a little dance.

Amazing that the left has completely whitewashed his reputation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe

The ANC was the best of both worlds, communist and terrorist.

We get it.  You're still butthurt about the fall of Apartheid.

Careful, your false dichotomy is showing.

I miss Apartheid too.

Nelson Mandela was a founding member of Umkhonto we Sizwe. Umkhonto we Sizwe engaged in terroristic activities. Looks like it is possible for reality based entities to both oppose Apartheid and call ANC a terrorist organization. At least for the part of its history where Thatcher would be commenting on their activities.

You do realise that there comes a time when "terroistic activites" are called for?

Pretty sure the Germans considered the french resistance terrorists ...


no, I don't and you're a terrible person for saying so.
 
2013-04-10 11:11:15 AM  
Seriously - there is never a time?

Not some point in a string of events that should result in a peaceful rational person taking up arms?

(I often have this argument with a christian mate, who says he would not destroy his sisters murderer if he could in the moment of it happening ... I just bring up Ecclesiastes 3:1)

If you support a military, a justice system or even a police force then you have to accept there is a time and place for everything.

I am pretty sure violence by the abused majority in South Africa was waaay overdue and let us face it, it did lead too a better result.

(But of course this can be abused and peeps can act badly ... I am looking at you 'suicide bombers', specifically Irgun and Lehi.)
 
2013-04-10 12:27:12 PM  
Gleeman
During the 1970's, the British economy lost almost 62,000 worker years of production from strikes and work stoppages due to labor disputes. The British rate of lost production due to strikes and work stoppages was about 150% higher than in the United States during the 1970's. By the 1990's, after the Thatcher government reforms, lost production due to strikes were less than 5% of the levels in the 1970's. In fact, during the 1990's, lost production due to strikes and labor disputes were 22% lower in Britain than in the United States (relative to the size of the countries' labor forces) and remain lower to this day.

IOW she broke the back of the working class.

But would the economy have recovered at all without Thatcher's policies?

Did it? It recovered for the rich, maybe.
 
2013-04-10 01:11:09 PM  

Langdon_777: Seriously - there is never a time?

Not some point in a string of events that should result in a peaceful rational person taking up arms?

(I often have this argument with a christian mate, who says he would not destroy his sisters murderer if he could in the moment of it happening ... I just bring up Ecclesiastes 3:1)

If you support a military, a justice system or even a police force then you have to accept there is a time and place for everything.

I am pretty sure violence by the abused majority in South Africa was waaay overdue and let us face it, it did lead too a better result.

(But of course this can be abused and peeps can act badly ... I am looking at you 'suicide bombers', specifically Irgun and Lehi.)


attacking military installations is not terrorism. That is revolution if done from within. Attacking soft targets and killing civilians, as the ANC's military wing did, IS terrorism
 
2013-04-11 04:14:35 AM  

skullkrusher: Langdon_777: Seriously - there is never a time?

Not some point in a string of events that should result in a peaceful rational person taking up arms?

(I often have this argument with a christian mate, who says he would not destroy his sisters murderer if he could in the moment of it happening ... I just bring up Ecclesiastes 3:1)

If you support a military, a justice system or even a police force then you have to accept there is a time and place for everything.

I am pretty sure violence by the abused majority in South Africa was waaay overdue and let us face it, it did lead too a better result.

(But of course this can be abused and peeps can act badly ... I am looking at you 'suicide bombers', specifically Irgun and Lehi.)

attacking military installations is not terrorism. That is revolution if done from within. Attacking soft targets and killing civilians, as the ANC's military wing did, IS terrorism


Yeah it would be nice to thinks so.

Alas go back at look at the shock and awe bombings at the start of the last invasion of Iraq and try and tell me that no civilians were involved.

Why should carpet bombing get an exemption and yet a well placed bomb in a cafe shouldn't (the aim was to kill those two british soldiers having a coffee, sorry about the rest of the customers.)
 
2013-04-11 10:55:42 AM  
We're the entire cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki military or civilian targets justifying the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians?

Discuss.
 
2013-04-12 03:23:32 PM  

RanDomino: Gleeman
During the 1970's, the British economy lost almost 62,000 worker years of production from strikes and work stoppages due to labor disputes. The British rate of lost production due to strikes and work stoppages was about 150% higher than in the United States during the 1970's. By the 1990's, after the Thatcher government reforms, lost production due to strikes were less than 5% of the levels in the 1970's. In fact, during the 1990's, lost production due to strikes and labor disputes were 22% lower in Britain than in the United States (relative to the size of the countries' labor forces) and remain lower to this day.

IOW she broke the back of the working class.

But would the economy have recovered at all without Thatcher's policies?

Did it? It recovered for the rich, maybe.


70s: IMF bailout, 30%+ inflation, 80%+ taxation, 3-day week, rolling power cuts, rubbish on the streets, the dead piling up

80s: butthurt socialists who didn't get their way.
 
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