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2013-04-09 02:54:01 AM  
Here we go
 
2013-04-09 02:55:00 AM  
I wonder if everyone is going to keep going "lol right.. stfu stupid fatty" until they randomly start shooting.  I forsee that as being the outcome if he truly is disillusioned (although i doubt it)
 
2013-04-09 02:55:59 AM  
Uh oh...

My insomnia couldn't have come at a more historically significant moment.
 
2013-04-09 02:56:38 AM  
I doubt this is significant.
 
2013-04-09 02:57:33 AM  

INeedAName: I doubt this is significant.


But it has a newsflash tag.

Why would Fark lie to me?
 
2013-04-09 02:57:35 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
The changing of the worrd is inevitabre.
 
2013-04-09 02:57:43 AM  
so...all four people?
 
2013-04-09 02:58:27 AM  
If they don't want war, they've been stupider and crazier than usual lately.

We ought to give them war whether they want it or not.
 
2013-04-09 02:58:36 AM  
oh. "worst" korea.
 
2013-04-09 02:58:43 AM  

INeedAName: I doubt this is significant.


Agreed.
 
2013-04-09 02:58:50 AM  
Wankery.
 
2013-04-09 02:59:05 AM  

log_jammin: so...all four people?


Worst Korea, not Best Korea.

I think there are quite a few foreigners in Seoul...I know two people there myself.
 
2013-04-09 03:00:18 AM  
Dude, you have to have breaks between provocations otherwise people will just stop taking them seriously.
 
2013-04-09 03:00:57 AM  
They warned the folks in SOUTH Korea to leave.  They were still welcoming tourists (and their money) to Best Korea.
 
2013-04-09 03:01:38 AM  

miss diminutive: log_jammin: so...all four people?

Worst Korea, not Best Korea.

I think there are quite a few foreigners in Seoul...I know two people there myself.


log_jammin: oh. "worst" korea.

 
2013-04-09 03:01:42 AM  

spamdog: Dude, you have to have breaks between provocations otherwise people will just stop taking them seriously.


Seriously. He's turning into the boy who cried worf.
 
2013-04-09 03:02:00 AM  
Only because news services pointed out that tourists were unaffected. When Un and his cronies start ordering a 2 year supply of booze and cavier, THEN you can start worrying.
 
2013-04-09 03:02:24 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-09 03:03:45 AM  

miss diminutive: spamdog: Dude, you have to have breaks between provocations otherwise people will just stop taking them seriously.

Seriously. He's turning into the boy who cried worf.


And Worf doesn't take kindly to being called so much for nothing
 
2013-04-09 03:04:04 AM  
The sirence.
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Is deafenyng.
 
2013-04-09 03:05:20 AM  

Summoner101: miss diminutive: spamdog: Dude, you have to have breaks between provocations otherwise people will just stop taking them seriously.

Seriously. He's turning into the boy who cried worf.

And Worf doesn't take kindly to being called so much for nothing


And dont tell him he is a merry man either
 
2013-04-09 03:06:37 AM  
This won't end well. I doubt NK's brass really wants war, but at a certain point, I think the "put up or shut up" logic kicks in, something stupid happens, and...there we are.

[Insert, "I'm OK with this meme"]

Not a war hawk by any stretch, but better now than later...
 
2013-04-09 03:06:52 AM  

miss diminutive: worf


dohohohoh
 
2013-04-09 03:08:47 AM  

Alonjar: I wonder if everyone is going to keep going "lol right.. stfu stupid fatty" until they randomly start shooting.  I forsee that as being the outcome if he truly is disillusioned (although i doubt it)


The problem is that the powers that be aren't following the script like they have in the past. US/SK, China, no one is tossing aid their way in response to the threats. This throws them for a loop and they are ratcheting up the crazy.

I fear this will end in bloodshed on both sides, but at least Korea will be unified again. It's just a matter of how much is left.
 
2013-04-09 03:09:23 AM  
Hey, Kim jong-un, suicide is painless. Give it a shot. Or a black capsule.
 
2013-04-09 03:09:28 AM  

Bumblefark: This won't end well. I doubt NK's brass really wants war, but at a certain point, I think the "put up or shut up" logic kicks in, something stupid happens, and...there we are.

[Insert, "I'm OK with this meme"]

Not a war hawk by any stretch, but better now than later...


Or a third option.... a coup.
 
2013-04-09 03:10:15 AM  
Troll trolling troll troll trolls troll trolling troll trolls trolling troll?  Troll troll trolling trolls trollings.

(people use the word to mean anything, so those two sentences of mine are grammatically correct and tell a complex story)
 
2013-04-09 03:10:27 AM  

Alonjar: I wonder if everyone is going to keep going "lol right.. stfu stupid fatty" until they randomly start shooting.  I forsee that as being the outcome if he truly is disillusioned (although i doubt it)


The first shot would be followed by the single most devastating mass ordinance barrage the world has ever seen or ever will see again. The Norks would get maybe two shots off by any of their guns before they got completely wiped off the map.

Yeah, they've got a million man army, they've got lots of Russian artillery, they even have mines. We've got the benefit of all the technological advances made in the past 50 years and the best trained and best equipped soldiers. A bunch of brainwashed hip firing norkies that have been living off of tree bark for the past 6 months zerg rushing the DMZ are naught but target practice. Their artillery pieces aren't much better off given our ability to triangulate them after their first shot.
 
2013-04-09 03:11:32 AM  

miss diminutive: Uh oh...

My insomnia couldn't have come at a more historically significant moment.


Well it is currently just after 4pm there, I usually expect most NK news to hit while normal people on this side of the globe are asleep.
 
2013-04-09 03:11:51 AM  
I wish I knew how to mock this properly. How do you make fun of a retard or a midget without sounding mean? Granted, comparing fatty kim to retards and midgets is an insult to midgets and retards everywhere.
 
2013-04-09 03:13:20 AM  

Summoner101: miss diminutive: spamdog: Dude, you have to have breaks between provocations otherwise people will just stop taking them seriously.

Seriously. He's turning into the boy who cried worf.

And Worf doesn't take kindly to being called so much for nothing


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-09 03:14:43 AM  
6 days until KJU hits critical retard mass.
 
2013-04-09 03:15:03 AM  

neongoats: I wish I knew how to mock this properly. How do you make fun of a retard or a midget without sounding mean? Granted, comparing fatty kim to retards and midgets is an insult to midgets and retards everywhere.


sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-04-09 03:16:53 AM  

This Is Bold Text: Bumblefark: This won't end well. I doubt NK's brass really wants war, but at a certain point, I think the "put up or shut up" logic kicks in, something stupid happens, and...there we are.

[Insert, "I'm OK with this meme"]

Not a war hawk by any stretch, but better now than later...

Or a third option.... a coup.


True, but I just don't see it happening. NK has a serious Jonestown vibe going for it these days...

Not saying it won't or couldn't happen, but I'd be pretty surprised if it did.
 
2013-04-09 03:18:42 AM  
I've seen badges, but does fark have a significant war thread badge? Sort of like a silver star?
 
2013-04-09 03:18:54 AM  
m1ek.dahmus.org

Put up or shut up, NorK. You're the fat kid in gym class threatening to beat everyone up with their kung-fu.
 
2013-04-09 03:19:32 AM  

powhound: I've seen badges, but does fark have a significant war thread badge? Sort of like a silver star?


It's a brown star, and you already have one. Grats!
 
2013-04-09 03:20:26 AM  
I'm pretty sick of this sh*t.

Sh*t or get off the pot.
 
2013-04-09 03:20:45 AM  
If South Korea attacks North Korea is the US obligated to assist them with the inevitable retaliation?
 
2013-04-09 03:21:38 AM  

North Korea warned foreigners in South Korea on Tuesday to quit the country

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HOW CAN SHE QUIT?! HOW CAN SHE QUIT?!


/oh wait, wrong meme
 
2013-04-09 03:22:45 AM  

farkingismybusiness: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 485x318]
The changing of the worrd is inevitabre.


What was that?
 
2013-04-09 03:23:20 AM  
My take on all this. I hope I am wrong, entirely wrong, but am just going on the signs I am seeing. For a bluff, this is going about as far as it can go. If they get called and back down it will take a lot- an awful lot to get attention next time.  There are few cards left to play. If they just wanted to have some sanctions dropped and a few ships of free wheat, there were much easier ways to do it. I am starting to think the chances of war breaking out are actually fairly high. My personal opinion is in teh area of 75-80% before summer is out. And it will not be an easy war. As always there is a lot of hubris- on both sides of the DMZ. But no enemy is to be underestimated, certainly not this one. 5th largest military in active forces and largest for combined with reserves. If it turns to war it will be bloody and painful on all sides. Do they have old, antiquated equipment? yep. so does Al Qaeda. But they also have underground munitions factories and the benefit of years of fortifying, stocking up and not having to import equipment. They also have nukes. There is no way it can turn out well.
 
2013-04-09 03:23:40 AM  

Frederick: If South Korea attacks North Korea is the US obligated to assist them with the inevitable retaliation?


Considering how close the NK army is to the border, I don't think the US troops in the SK bases would have much time
 
2013-04-09 03:25:37 AM  

lohphat: farkingismybusiness: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 485x318]
The changing of the worrd is inevitabre.

What was that?


Inevit, inevitabre.
 
2013-04-09 03:27:01 AM  
Can we have global thermonuclear war already? I'm sick of all the foreplay
 
2013-04-09 03:27:45 AM  

INeedAName: I doubt this is significant.


It make it much easier for an equipment malfunction, such as an old sensitized primer in an old shell to go off and blow up an ammo dump, and boom you have a war.
 
2013-04-09 03:30:35 AM  
If you read the bible you will notice that Austin 3:16 says North Korea just whooped your ass.
 
2013-04-09 03:35:00 AM  
"Pyongyang has shown no sign of preparing its 1.2 million-strong army for war, indicating the threats could be partly intended for domestic purposes"
That pretty much sums it up.
 
2013-04-09 03:35:12 AM  

neongoats: Summoner101: miss diminutive: spamdog: Dude, you have to have breaks between provocations otherwise people will just stop taking them seriously.

Seriously. He's turning into the boy who cried worf.

And Worf doesn't take kindly to being called so much for nothing

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s2.postimg.org
 
2013-04-09 03:35:47 AM  

bob_ross: neongoats: Summoner101: miss diminutive: spamdog: Dude, you have to have breaks between provocations otherwise people will just stop taking them seriously.

Seriously. He's turning into the boy who cried worf.

And Worf doesn't take kindly to being called so much for nothing

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 335x417]

[s2.postimg.org image 580x300]


What, is he just supposed to SIT there?
 
2013-04-09 03:37:21 AM  

farkingismybusiness: lohphat: farkingismybusiness: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 485x318]
The changing of the worrd is inevitabre.

What was that?

Inevit, inevitabre.


Um. Sorry. One more time...?
 
2013-04-09 03:38:18 AM  

The WindowLicker: They warned the folks in SOUTH Korea to leave.  They were still welcoming tourists (and their money) to Best Korea.


All 20 of them? A crappy nuke "test" on Seoul, if it doesn't melt on the launch pad or hit China instead on the way is going to be what Putin said earlier; that it'd make Chernobyl look like a fairy land....

......and that would be the last anyone heard of North Korea.

I call it more stupid posturing as they've always done, but this kid, as probably directed by his aunt and uncle, still have that military to feed, and well.....they might die without some concessions.
 
2013-04-09 03:40:49 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Can we have global thermonuclear war already? I'm sick of all the foreplay


how about a nice game of chess, professor falken ?
 
2013-04-09 03:40:59 AM  

Alonjar: I wonder if everyone is going to keep going "lol right.. stfu stupid fatty" until they randomly start shooting.  I forsee that as being the outcome if he truly is disillusioned (although i doubt it)


When the shooting starts I doubt very seriously that it'll be random. If the North starts it--it will be very precisely aimed to not hit anything too important (besides maybe a small patrol boat or the like). If the South starts it--it will be precisely aimed to hit whatever the threat is.
 
2013-04-09 03:41:39 AM  
But I agree hostilities are VERY unlikely.
 
2013-04-09 03:42:36 AM  

lohphat: farkingismybusiness: lohphat: farkingismybusiness: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 485x318]
The changing of the worrd is inevitabre.

What was that?

Inevit, inevitabre.

Um. Sorry. One more time...?


Inevitabre! Things are inevitabrey going to change! Goddamnit, open your farking ears!

ultraconformist.com
Irr pray myseyerf out.
 
2013-04-09 03:45:08 AM  
Hmmmm....Y'know what Lil Un? Since your father was the right hand of God apparently, I'll tell you what:  bring your arse to the court. If you can beat Louisville by yourself, we'll give you 5 billion in aid. Deal?
 
2013-04-09 03:50:32 AM  
I remain unconcerned. This guy's just an overgrown child with a God complex and a vivid imagination, and little to back it up.
 
2013-04-09 03:53:20 AM  
Evacuate North Korea, or evacuate ON North Korea?
 
2013-04-09 03:53:45 AM  
Too bad Intrade shut down, this could be a good moneymaker.
 
2013-04-09 03:54:00 AM  
If this does escalate, I doubt it will, but IF it does, there's going to be a lot of innocent lives lost in the process.

/sigh
//not a good way to start the day
 
2013-04-09 03:55:03 AM  

iq_in_binary: Alonjar: I wonder if everyone is going to keep going "lol right.. stfu stupid fatty" until they randomly start shooting.  I forsee that as being the outcome if he truly is disillusioned (although i doubt it)

The first shot would be followed by the single most devastating mass ordinance barrage the world has ever seen or ever will see again. The Norks would get maybe two shots off by any of their guns before they got completely wiped off the map.

Yeah, they've got a million man army, they've got lots of Russian artillery, they even have mines. We've got the benefit of all the technological advances made in the past 50 years and the best trained and best equipped soldiers. A bunch of brainwashed hip firing norkies that have been living off of tree bark for the past 6 months zerg rushing the DMZ are naught but target practice. Their artillery pieces aren't much better off given our ability to triangulate them after their first shot.


an arty would do a lot of damage
 
2013-04-09 03:55:10 AM  

miss diminutive: INeedAName: I doubt this is significant.

But it has a newsflash tag.

Why would Fark lie to me?


look closer at the tag =D
 
2013-04-09 03:55:49 AM  
@W7VOA: Yonhap quotes "multiple gov't sources" saying #ROK believes #DPRK "ready to launch missile" moved to east sea. #Korea
 
2013-04-09 03:55:55 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Can we have global thermonuclear war already? I'm sick of all the foreplay


Like sleeping with my mom, you'd just be disappointed and wish this never started in the first place.

Spaced Lion: 6 days until KJU hits critical retard mass.


Wasn't there some warning given to diplomats to GTFO by the 10th?  It was posted in another of the zillion NK threads last week.  NK has been beating the war drums very hard over the past few weeks.  Why is he ratcheting up the rhetoric?  Can't just be for food aid.

If I were a conspiracy nut, I'd say they are the proxy between China and the US.  China could probably gain a lot by taking over NK (mineral rights, a further destabilized US); it may not even care about the human rights disaster that is awaiting them since China doesn't seem so bleeding heart nation-building as the West is perceived to be.
 
2013-04-09 03:56:15 AM  
cdn.ientry.com

/Without the rhetoric
 
2013-04-09 03:59:01 AM  
Wednesday is kim jong uns 1 year anniversary as dicktator. The 15th is the day they founded north korea.


Duck_of_Doom: HaywoodJablonski: Can we have global thermonuclear war already? I'm sick of all the foreplay

Like sleeping with my mom, you'd just be disappointed and wish this never started in the first place.

Spaced Lion: 6 days until KJU hits critical retard mass.

Wasn't there some warning given to diplomats to GTFO by the 10th?  It was posted in another of the zillion NK threads last week.  NK has been beating the war drums very hard over the past few weeks.  Why is he ratcheting up the rhetoric?  Can't just be for food aid.

If I were a conspiracy nut, I'd say they are the proxy between China and the US.  China could probably gain a lot by taking over NK (mineral rights, a further destabilized US); it may not even care about the human rights disaster that is awaiting them since China doesn't seem so bleeding heart nation-building as the West is perceived to be.

 
2013-04-09 04:00:56 AM  

NobleHam: We ought to give them war whether they want it or not.


You're right. Initiating a massively destabilizing armed conflict in response to transparent dick-waving is the prudent call here. I'm glad the 403rd Keyboard Brigade is on the scene now.
 
2013-04-09 04:03:01 AM  
I evacuated some kimchi earlier. Does that count?
 
2013-04-09 04:03:31 AM  
I've been working in Suwon, about 30 miles south of Seoul for the last 6 weeks. People here are more worried than usual that the NORKS are going to do something farked up.

Outta here on Thursday, it can't come soon enough. 44 hours and counting....
 
2013-04-09 04:03:37 AM  

ontariolightning: @W7VOA: Yonhap quotes "multiple gov't sources" saying #ROK believes #DPRK "ready to launch missile" moved to east sea. #Korea


i was sitting here. really high. wondering how cool it would not be if china was secretly using north korea as a puppet to instigate war with the us. stupid nervous scared americans buy shiat. also it would pull us further into debt. after n.korea instigates war wit hthe south and we step in china doesnt have to fake pretense anymore and they can actually DEFEND north korea who they were already using as OFFENSE and then go on the offense themselves and take out whoever they want. maybe japan.
 
2013-04-09 04:03:41 AM  

Tenatra: neongoats: I wish I knew how to mock this properly. How do you make fun of a retard or a midget without sounding mean? Granted, comparing fatty kim to retards and midgets is an insult to midgets and retards everywhere.

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Great comic.

Unfortunately, I don't see how the Norks wind down their war hysteria without doing SOMETHING.
 
2013-04-09 04:03:45 AM  

lohphat: farkingismybusiness: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 485x318]
The changing of the worrd is inevitabre.

What was that?


Esperanto.  Learn it, you're going to need it.
 
2013-04-09 04:05:30 AM  

Duck_of_Doom: HaywoodJablonski: Can we have global thermonuclear war already? I'm sick of all the foreplay

Like sleeping with my mom, you'd just be disappointed and wish this never started in the first place.

Spaced Lion: 6 days until KJU hits critical retard mass.

Wasn't there some warning given to diplomats to GTFO by the 10th?  It was posted in another of the zillion NK threads last week.  NK has been beating the war drums very hard over the past few weeks.  Why is he ratcheting up the rhetoric?  Can't just be for food aid.

If I were a conspiracy nut, I'd say they are the proxy between China and the US.  China could probably gain a lot by taking over NK (mineral rights, a further destabilized US); it may not even care about the human rights disaster that is awaiting them since China doesn't seem so bleeding heart nation-building as the West is perceived to be.


you beat me to it!
 
2013-04-09 04:05:32 AM  

Gawdzila: "Pyongyang has shown no sign of preparing its 1.2 million-strong army for war, indicating the threats could be partly intended for domestic purposes"
That pretty much sums it up.


Yep yep.

They cannot go across the DMZ, because there are so many land mines there, they'd lose half their army in the crossing; they cannot go over because whatever air force they have would be shot out of the skies in minutes. They can't go around, because the US carrier group in the Pacific is right there, not to mention Japan's Defense Force (aka the Japanese Army). Now, they've tried going under at several times in history, but there's a limit to how many soldiers you can send through tunnels per hour, and tunnels are insanely easy to kill people in, as al-Qaeda and the Taliban learned to their dismay.

An artillery barrage would seriously damage Seoul, and kill many thousands of people; and guarantee that soon South Korea would be an island nation. And that's the ONLY thing Kim has got as a realistic option at this point. He could conceivably throw a nuke in there--and merely guarantee that the final strike that kills his country would come from several points on the map besides America.

No matter how the scaremongers and war enthusiasts want to whip this up, and even admitting that some scenarios look somewhat worse for South Korea, Kim simply cannot win any kind of war, or even a battle of any size or duration. And the only reason, I suspect, that the US and China are even holding back at this point is to try to save the millions of North Koreans whose only real crime is existing in a country with psychos for dictators.
 
2013-04-09 04:06:19 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: lohphat: farkingismybusiness: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 485x318]
The changing of the worrd is inevitabre.

What was that?

Esperanto.  Learn it, you're going to need it.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-09 04:06:21 AM  

ontariolightning: Wednesday is kim jong uns 1 year anniversary as dicktator. The 15th is the day they founded north korea.


Didn't realize the first.  Would it be bad form to launch a thermonuclear potato on dicktater's day?
 
2013-04-09 04:06:38 AM  
Of course this is a likely nothing.  I mean you would have to be irrational to fight a war you can't win.  Of course, that here is the problem.  We are dealing with what could be irrational leadership that is heading off to do something that no one expects. What better way to surprise the world than to publicly announce exactly what your doing doing and have no one believe you.  It is deception in plain sight.

Here was an interesting take on the subject by a podcast I listen to on national security issues (called the Dark Secret Place)  that was discussing the possiblity of war:  http://www.kfiam640.com/cc-common/podcast/single_page.html?podcast=Da r kSecretPlace&selected_podcast=Suits040613_1365311131_20778.mp3  Again, I can't see them fighting soon given there hasn't been a general mobilization or movement we would expect.  At the same time, you have to figure they know we are watching and have had 50 years to stockpile, dig, and preposition things so that it may not take much to kick something off. It isn't as if their chances of success are getting any greater the longer they wait so if they are going to attempt to reunify under the NK banner, why not next week?
 
2013-04-09 04:08:38 AM  

universebetween: you beat me to it!


But you're high, you have an excuse.  And my envy.
 
2013-04-09 04:10:28 AM  
Amateur. Any real tyrant wouldn't be so nice as to give warnings. they would just start locking up "the spies". This guy is an attention whore looking for his 5 minutes of fame.
 
2013-04-09 04:10:53 AM  

Cagey B: NobleHam: We ought to give them war whether they want it or not.

You're right. Initiating a massively destabilizing armed conflict in response to transparent dick-waving is the prudent call here. I'm glad the 403rd Keyboard Brigade is on the scene now.


No, eliminating an oppressive and belligerent dictatorship on the verge of nuclear capability which would destroy any chance of getting rid of them is a prudent call. We're going to go to war with North Korea eventually because we'll have to, it's better to do it now than when they have functioning delivery systems for their weapons.

Not to mention that every day we waste there are already innocent lives being lost to starvation in rural towns and villages, and to far worse than starvation in an unknown number of prison camps which make Soviet gulags look like daycare centers.

So we can wait for North Korea to crumble... except that their propaganda machine and tight control of resources prevents that from happening... and millions more will die horrible deaths before it happens. Or we can hope that Jong-Un gets reasonable and starts to reform, but that looks like a dimmer prospect every day, and millions more will die horrible deaths before it happens.

Or we can right the wrong we wrought 60 years ago and eliminate the leadership of that God-forsaken country before they can wreak anymore havoc on their own people, before they can hijack any more South Korea planes or kidnap their citizens, before they can blow up any more South Korean naval vessels or shell any more South Korean territory. We can attack pre-emptively and destroy their capability of damaging Seoul, eliminate their leadership and begin distributing food.

But I guess sitting on our hands and continuing to allow this abomination of a regime to exist is more prudent than a limited military action which would bring peace and economic growth to the region while reuniting a country which, on both sides, has sought reunification and self-determination for a century.
 
2013-04-09 04:11:28 AM  

robohobo: Too bad Intrade shut down, this could be a good moneymaker.


Bitcoins will be soaring about now.
 
2013-04-09 04:14:40 AM  

NobleHam: We're going to go to war with North Korea eventually because we'll have to


exactly. Just like we had to with the Soviets and China. It's inevitable.
 
2013-04-09 04:15:53 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: miss diminutive: INeedAName: I doubt this is significant.

But it has a newsflash tag.

Why would Fark lie to me?

look closer at the tag =D


Dammit.
 
2013-04-09 04:16:28 AM  

NobleHam: But I guess sitting on our hands and continuing to allow this abomination of a regime to exist is more prudent than a limited military action which would bring peace and economic growth to the region while reuniting a country which, on both sides, has sought reunification and self-determination for a century.


You think millions of starving, illiterate refugees flooding China and South Korea will bring peace and economic growth. You also think it's our role to "allow" or "disallow" the existence of particular regimes. Tell Mr. Rumsfeld I said hi.
 
2013-04-09 04:17:14 AM  

log_jammin: NobleHam: We're going to go to war with North Korea eventually because we'll have to

exactly. Just like we had to with the Soviets and China. It's inevitable.


we beat USSR in a game of monopoly. they went bankrupt but instead of us getting the money and property and railroads they sold it to their friend Russia who was also playing. we should of won that game.
 
2013-04-09 04:17:56 AM  

NobleHam: So we can wait for North Korea to crumble... except that their propaganda machine and tight control of resources prevents that from happening...


Also, this is the part where you confirm that you have no f*cking clue what you're talking about. Go charge that DMZ, brave internet soldier.
 
2013-04-09 04:18:25 AM  

NobleHam: Cagey B: NobleHam: We ought to give them war whether they want it or not.

You're right. Initiating a massively destabilizing armed conflict in response to transparent dick-waving is the prudent call here. I'm glad the 403rd Keyboard Brigade is on the scene now.

No, eliminating an oppressive and belligerent dictatorship on the verge of nuclear capability which would destroy any chance of getting rid of them is a prudent call. We're going to go to war with North Korea eventually because we'll have to, it's better to do it now than when they have functioning delivery systems for their weapons.

Not to mention that every day we waste there are already innocent lives being lost to starvation in rural towns and villages, and to far worse than starvation in an unknown number of prison camps which make Soviet gulags look like daycare centers.

So we can wait for North Korea to crumble... except that their propaganda machine and tight control of resources prevents that from happening... and millions more will die horrible deaths before it happens. Or we can hope that Jong-Un gets reasonable and starts to reform, but that looks like a dimmer prospect every day, and millions more will die horrible deaths before it happens.

Or we can right the wrong we wrought 60 years ago and eliminate the leadership of that God-forsaken country before they can wreak anymore havoc on their own people, before they can hijack any more South Korea planes or kidnap their citizens, before they can blow up any more South Korean naval vessels or shell any more South Korean territory. We can attack pre-emptively and destroy their capability of damaging Seoul, eliminate their leadership and begin distributing food.

But I guess sitting on our hands and continuing to allow this abomination of a regime to exist is more prudent than a limited military action which would bring peace and economic growth to the region while reuniting a country which, on both sides, has sought reunification and self-determ ...


I have to disagree.  They can't great us with flowers as their liberators since they ate them all due to starvation.  That is a dealbreaker.
 
2013-04-09 04:18:29 AM  

universebetween: we beat USSR in a game of monopoly. they went bankrupt but instead of us getting the money and property and railroads they sold it to their friend Russia who was also playing. we should of won that game.


they were too big to fail.
 
2013-04-09 04:18:30 AM  

NobleHam: limited military action


I think the issue is that many "limited military actions" can easily become "costly and bloody clusterfarks" if things don't go as planned. And we're talking war here, when do things ever go according to plan?
 
2013-04-09 04:22:03 AM  
Oh shiat, they're testing the Emergency Alert System right now ....

/buggers interrupted my favorite DJ!
 
2013-04-09 04:24:07 AM  

log_jammin: universebetween: we beat USSR in a game of monopoly. they went bankrupt but instead of us getting the money and property and railroads they sold it to their friend Russia who was also playing. we should of won that game.

they were too big to fail.


so what you're saying is that tptb saw ussr as a tbtf so they rebranded the product and repackaged them as RUSSIA!
 
2013-04-09 04:26:33 AM  

universebetween: log_jammin: universebetween: we beat USSR in a game of monopoly. they went bankrupt but instead of us getting the money and property and railroads they sold it to their friend Russia who was also playing. we should of won that game.

they were too big to fail.

so what you're saying is that tptb saw ussr as a tbtf so they rebranded the product and repackaged them as RUSSIA!


omg it makes sense now. USSR+USA = RUSSiA
 
2013-04-09 04:27:50 AM  
So, either shiat will go down on the 11th, the 15th, or not at all (as per usual). Is North Korea secretly run by mediacom? they gave me the same shiat window for an internet install.
 
2013-04-09 04:27:54 AM  

universebetween: universebetween: log_jammin: universebetween: we beat USSR in a game of monopoly. they went bankrupt but instead of us getting the money and property and railroads they sold it to their friend Russia who was also playing. we should of won that game.

they were too big to fail.

so what you're saying is that tptb saw ussr as a tbtf so they rebranded the product and repackaged them as RUSSIA!

omg it makes sense now. USSR+USA = RUSSiA


and guess who made the packaging? that's right....CHINA!
 
2013-04-09 04:30:37 AM  

log_jammin: universebetween: universebetween: log_jammin: universebetween: we beat USSR in a game of monopoly. they went bankrupt but instead of us getting the money and property and railroads they sold it to their friend Russia who was also playing. we should of won that game.

they were too big to fail.

so what you're saying is that tptb saw ussr as a tbtf so they rebranded the product and repackaged them as RUSSIA!

omg it makes sense now. USSR+USA = RUSSiA

and guess who made the packaging? that's right....CHINA!


are all red pandas communists?
 
2013-04-09 04:34:50 AM  

log_jammin: NobleHam: We're going to go to war with North Korea eventually because we'll have to

exactly. Just like we had to with the Soviets and China. It's inevitable.


universebetween: log_jammin: NobleHam: We're going to go to war with North Korea eventually because we'll have to

exactly. Just like we had to with the Soviets and China. It's inevitable.

we beat USSR in a game of monopoly. they went bankrupt but instead of us getting the money and property and railroads they sold it to their friend Russia who was also playing. we should of won that game.


And North Korea is already as close to bankrupt as it can get. What, log_jammin, do you imagine will happen to make that regime fall? An uprising of the masses? Too hungry, too brutalized. International pressure? We've seen how well that works. We got some concessions in the late 90s that lasted all of two years before they went back to the same old shiat. A high-minded reformer taking power? From the Kim family, or do you imagine one of his Generals will overthrow him and be a nice, reasonable guy?

Cagey B: NobleHam: So we can wait for North Korea to crumble... except that their propaganda machine and tight control of resources prevents that from happening...

Also, this is the part where you confirm that you have no f*cking clue what you're talking about. Go charge that DMZ, brave internet soldier.


I've studied Korea for fifteen years.

miss diminutive: NobleHam: limited military action

I think the issue is that many "limited military actions" can easily become "costly and bloody clusterfarks" if things don't go as planned. And we're talking war here, when do things ever go according to plan?


There will be no insurgency or prolonged resistance in North Korea. The idea of a unified Korea is too powerful in the psyche of both North and South to allow it, as long as the South takes charge in rebuilding. North Korea has even encouraged a hasty reconciliation once the war is over with its glorification of Choson and what it represents. When the leadership is gone, the fight will be over. This is not Iraq, this is not Vietnam.
 
2013-04-09 04:46:44 AM  

NobleHam: What, log_jammin, do you imagine will happen to make that regime fall?


No idea. what I do have an idea about is failed attempts at nation building and regime change.

NobleHam: There will be no insurgency or prolonged resistance in North Korea.


thank you Mr Cheney. Here I thought a brainwashed population force fed daily propaganda about the American war machine coming to crush the homes and families might just do more than roll over and whimper, but now we know they would greet us as liberators.
 
2013-04-09 04:46:57 AM  
Y'all do know, don't you that after NK Zerg-rushes South Korea, enslaves Japan and nukes every major American city, that they are gonna take that "Best Korea" taunt and break it off in every U.S. citizen's ass, and THEN we'll be sorry.

/da Worm told me so
//I for one, welcome our new emaciated overlords
 
2013-04-09 04:50:54 AM  

universebetween: log_jammin: NobleHam: We're going to go to war with North Korea eventually because we'll have to

exactly. Just like we had to with the Soviets and China. It's inevitable.

we beat USSR in a game of monopoly. they went bankrupt but instead of us getting the money and property and railroads they sold it to their friend Russia who was also playing. we should of won that game.


Did they? As in their government? The

log_jammin: universebetween: universebetween: log_jammin: universebetween: we beat USSR in a game of monopoly. they went bankrupt but instead of us getting the money and property and railroads they sold it to their friend Russia who was also playing. we should of won that game.

they were too big to fail.

so what you're saying is that tptb saw ussr as a tbtf so they rebranded the product and repackaged them as RUSSIA!

omg it makes sense now. USSR+USA = RUSSiA

and guess who made the packaging? that's right....CHINA!


Never worked at a US printing plant have ya. The money is buried in the companies somewhere, but you are not going to move millions of pounds of dated paper products by ship or plane in a week. Not even Dwight can pull that shiat off.
 
2013-04-09 04:53:20 AM  

fanbladesaresharp: Not even Dwight can pull that shiat off.


David Brent could.
 
2013-04-09 04:54:00 AM  

fanbladesaresharp: universebetween: log_jammin: NobleHam: We're going to go to war with North Korea eventually because we'll have to

exactly. Just like we had to with the Soviets and China. It's inevitable.

we beat USSR in a game of monopoly. they went bankrupt but instead of us getting the money and property and railroads they sold it to their friend Russia who was also playing. we should of won that game.

Did they? As in their government? Thelog_jammin: universebetween: universebetween: log_jammin: universebetween: we beat USSR in a game of monopoly. they went bankrupt but instead of us getting the money and property and railroads they sold it to their friend Russia who was also playing. we should of won that game.

they were too big to fail.

so what you're saying is that tptb saw ussr as a tbtf so they rebranded the product and repackaged them as RUSSIA!

omg it makes sense now. USSR+USA = RUSSiA

and guess who made the packaging? that's right....CHINA!

Never worked at a US printing plant have ya. The money is buried in the companies somewhere, but you are not going to move millions of pounds of dated paper products by ship or plane in a week. Not even Dwight can pull that shiat off.


250,000 dollars in the banana stand.
 
2013-04-09 04:55:45 AM  

log_jammin: NobleHam: What, log_jammin, do you imagine will happen to make that regime fall?

No idea. what I do have an idea about is failed attempts at nation building and regime change.

NobleHam: There will be no insurgency or prolonged resistance in North Korea.

thank you Mr Cheney. Here I thought a brainwashed population force fed daily propaganda about the American war machine coming to crush the homes and families might just do more than roll over and whimper, but now we know they would greet us as liberators.


Right. You know failed attempts. Do you know McArthur's success in Japan? Do you know much about West Germany, or German reunification? Both of those are better examples than Iraq, which I would have told you was a mistake in 2002. In Korea you have a homogenous population, the same on both sides of the border. You have a cultural ideal of a unified and self-governed Korea. You have no neighboring countries or international terrorist groups with an interest in creating an insurgency. If the American war machine rolls in there may be a problem yes. That's why ground and occupation forces will have to be South Korean.
 
2013-04-09 04:57:06 AM  

fanbladesaresharp: Never worked at a US printing plant have ya. The money is buried in the companies somewhere, but you are not going to move millions of pounds of dated paper products by ship or plane in a week. Not even Dwight can pull that shiat off.


Ooh, ooh, I have. You are correct. Although if they could figure out a way to reliably fly them daily, all your newspapers would be printed in Mexico. Or even better, Pakistan.

/how ya doin' man?
//I'm headin' north soon
 
2013-04-09 05:07:14 AM  

NobleHam: Do you know McArthur's success in Japan? Do you know much about West Germany, or German reunification?


yes, I'm fully aware of WWII, and comparing the outcome of WWII with a hypothetical regime change in north Korea is laughable.

NobleHam: In Korea you have a homogenous population, the same on both sides of the border. You have a cultural ideal of a unified and self-governed Korea. You have no neighboring countries or international terrorist groups with an interest in creating an insurgency. If the American war machine rolls in there may be a problem yes. That's why ground and occupation forces will have to be South Korean.


and as I said, on one side of the border you have a brainwashed population force fed daily propaganda about the American war machine coming to crush the homes and families.
 
2013-04-09 05:07:14 AM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: fanbladesaresharp: Never worked at a US printing plant have ya. The money is buried in the companies somewhere, but you are not going to move millions of pounds of dated paper products by ship or plane in a week. Not even Dwight can pull that shiat off.

Ooh, ooh, I have. You are correct. Although if they could figure out a way to reliably fly them daily, all your newspapers would be printed in Mexico. Or even better, Pakistan.

/how ya doin' man?
//I'm headin' north soon


EIP, as it has been. Back there now.

/up for beers? no beers?
 
2013-04-09 05:08:53 AM  

fanbladesaresharp: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: fanbladesaresharp: Never worked at a US printing plant have ya. The money is buried in the companies somewhere, but you are not going to move millions of pounds of dated paper products by ship or plane in a week. Not even Dwight can pull that shiat off.

Ooh, ooh, I have. You are correct. Although if they could figure out a way to reliably fly them daily, all your newspapers would be printed in Mexico. Or even better, Pakistan.

/how ya doin' man?
//I'm headin' north soon

EIP, as it has been. Back there now.

/up for beers? no beers?


Beers, definitely!
 
2013-04-09 05:09:02 AM  

miss diminutive: NobleHam: limited military action

I think the issue is that many "limited military actions" can easily become "costly and bloody clusterfarks" if things don't go as planned. And we're talking war here, when do things ever go according to plan?


I don't get why we can't just do what we did with Bin Laden. Problem solved.
 
2013-04-09 05:09:43 AM  
If the North wants to exist for decades to come, they'll leave the South alone. If it comes to war, China and SK will partition NK and KJU will wind up hanged in a tree, after 200,000 casualties.
 
2013-04-09 05:12:34 AM  

Abacus9: miss diminutive: NobleHam: limited military action

I think the issue is that many "limited military actions" can easily become "costly and bloody clusterfarks" if things don't go as planned. And we're talking war here, when do things ever go according to plan?

I don't get why we can't just do what we did with Bin Laden. Problem solved.


I'm sure if fat kim was kicking it in the suburbs of some allied nation, choking down starbucks and spending his free time jerking off, we would. Him being in the middle of a nation where normal sized Koreans, much less Americans would stand out as giants amongst the malnourished.
 
2013-04-09 05:13:57 AM  

Abacus9: miss diminutive: NobleHam: limited military action

I think the issue is that many "limited military actions" can easily become "costly and bloody clusterfarks" if things don't go as planned. And we're talking war here, when do things ever go according to plan?

I don't get why we can't just do what we did with Bin Laden. Problem solved.


Bin laden was the head of a nation of 25 million devotees armed with nuclear weapons?
 
2013-04-09 05:14:32 AM  

Alonjar: I wonder if everyone is going to keep going "lol right.. stfu stupid fatty" until they randomly start shooting.  I forsee that as being the outcome if he truly is disillusioned (although i doubt it)


Why do you doubt it. So far I have seen no evidence he is illusioned.
 
2013-04-09 05:15:12 AM  

Abacus9: miss diminutive: NobleHam: limited military action

I think the issue is that many "limited military actions" can easily become "costly and bloody clusterfarks" if things don't go as planned. And we're talking war here, when do things ever go according to plan?

I don't get why we can't just do what we did with Bin Laden. Problem solved.


For all the jokes about Un, I doubt he's the source of all of this. He's young, Western educated and showed signs of reform. It's likely the military and advisors who are running the show right now, in my opinion.
 
2013-04-09 05:18:45 AM  
What would be fun is if, somehow, they "accidentally" threw some bombs China's way. I wonder if that could be arranged...
 
2013-04-09 05:21:05 AM  

neongoats: I'm sure if fat kim was kicking it in the suburbs of some allied nation, choking down starbucks and spending his free time jerking off, we would. Him being in the middle of a nation where normal sized Koreans, much less Americans would stand out as giants amongst the malnourished.


miss diminutive: Bin laden was the head of a nation of 25 million devotees armed with nuclear weapons?


I'm just saying, we have intelligence. We can find him. We have the technology to do it remotely. As far as 25 million devotees, I'm sure that's what they want us to think. Drop 'em some food. They'll get over it.
 
2013-04-09 05:21:22 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Abacus9: miss diminutive: NobleHam: limited military action

I think the issue is that many "limited military actions" can easily become "costly and bloody clusterfarks" if things don't go as planned. And we're talking war here, when do things ever go according to plan?

I don't get why we can't just do what we did with Bin Laden. Problem solved.

For all the jokes about Un, I doubt he's the source of all of this. He's young, Western educated and showed signs of reform. It's likely the military and advisors who are running the show right now, in my opinion.


I wonder this as well. Is he really sitting in on strategy meetings, hunkered over a map directing policy or do the military junta have him locked away in some bunker somewhere with an xbox and terabytes of porn?
 
2013-04-09 05:21:52 AM  

Duck_of_Doom: HaywoodJablonski: Can we have global thermonuclear war already? I'm sick of all the foreplay

Like sleeping with my mom, you'd just be disappointed and wish this never started in the first place.

Spaced Lion: 6 days until KJU hits critical retard mass.

Wasn't there some warning given to diplomats to GTFO by the 10th?  It was posted in another of the zillion NK threads last week.  NK has been beating the war drums very hard over the past few weeks.  Why is he ratcheting up the rhetoric?  Can't just be for food aid.


Not food aid, this time he is holding out for McDonald's
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Note the resemblance.
 
2013-04-09 05:25:28 AM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: For all the jokes about Un, I doubt he's the source of all of this. He's young, Western educated and showed signs of reform. It's likely the military and advisors who are running the show right now, in my opinion.


You're probably right. I don't think Kim Jong Un has the power or experience to pull the brakes on NK's crazy train, and the best we can do is keep switching the tracks until it ends up in the ocean. Does this make sense? I woke up with indigestion.
 
2013-04-09 05:28:27 AM  

Abacus9: miss diminutive: Bin laden was the head of a nation of 25 million devotees armed with nuclear weapons?

I'm just saying, we have intelligence. We can find him. We have the technology to do it remotely. As far as 25 million devotees, I'm sure that's what they want us to think. Drop 'em some food. They'll get over it.


After some googling, apparently President Ford signed an executive order prohibiting the assassination of foreign leaders. (I assume this implies during peace time, maybe if war were declared they could train their drones on Dear Leader)
 
2013-04-09 05:32:56 AM  

Abacus9: miss diminutive: NobleHam: limited military action

I think the issue is that many "limited military actions" can easily become "costly and bloody clusterfarks" if things don't go as planned. And we're talking war here, when do things ever go according to plan?

I don't get why we can't just do what we did with Bin Laden. Problem solved.


Because there are at least 100 people we'd have to do that to. Some crazier, some saner, but all prepared to step up and be as brutal and belligerent as Jong-Un.
 
2013-04-09 05:34:19 AM  

log_jammin: NobleHam: Do you know McArthur's success in Japan? Do you know much about West Germany, or German reunification?

yes, I'm fully aware of WWII, and comparing the outcome of WWII with a hypothetical regime change in north Korea is laughable.


You're right. It is laughable. North Korea would be a walk in the park compared to post-war Germany. Bosnia would be a better comparison.

and as I said, on one side of the border you have a brainwashed population force fed daily propaganda about the American war machine coming to crush the homes and families.

And as I said, South Korea would have to be the face.
 
2013-04-09 05:38:52 AM  

NobleHam: North Korea would be a walk in the park


whatever
 
2013-04-09 05:43:04 AM  

miss diminutive: Abacus9: miss diminutive: Bin laden was the head of a nation of 25 million devotees armed with nuclear weapons?

I'm just saying, we have intelligence. We can find him. We have the technology to do it remotely. As far as 25 million devotees, I'm sure that's what they want us to think. Drop 'em some food. They'll get over it.

After some googling, apparently President Ford signed an executive order prohibiting the assassination of foreign leaders. (I assume this implies during peace time, maybe if war were declared they could train their drones on Dear Leader)


I mean, tying your hands or not, it's a good policy. In much of the world life is cheap, people think nothing of assassinating their way up the chain of command. By signing that order, Ford was saying to the civilized world "we aren't going to do this, don't do this to us".

I wish he had thought of forbidding "secretly funding insurgency organizations" and "supporting fundamentalist colonial dictatorships that burn temples full of buddhists alive for sport", but you know, can't get everything.
 
2013-04-09 05:48:41 AM  

miss diminutive: After some googling, apparently President Ford signed an executive order prohibiting the assassination of foreign leaders. (I assume this implies during peace time, maybe if war were declared they could train their drones on Dear Leader)


neongoats: I mean, tying your hands or not, it's a good policy. In much of the world life is cheap, people think nothing of assassinating their way up the chain of command. By signing that order, Ford was saying to the civilized world "we aren't going to do this, don't do this to us".

I wish he had thought of forbidding "secretly funding insurgency organizations" and "supporting fundamentalist colonial dictatorships that burn temples full of buddhists alive for sport", but you know, can't get everything.


NobleHam: Because there are at least 100 people we'd have to do that to. Some crazier, some saner, but all prepared to step up and be as brutal and belligerent as Jong-Un.


Good points, and I'm not suggesting or advocating going around assassinating world leaders. I just think it's a better alternative to full blown war if this thing gets nasty. Better to take out one guy, if we have to, than to kill millions of North Koreans, not to mention how many Americans would get killed over it. For what? Because Mr. God-complex likes to run his mouth.
 
2013-04-09 05:50:19 AM  

miss diminutive: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Abacus9: miss diminutive: NobleHam: limited military action

I think the issue is that many "limited military actions" can easily become "costly and bloody clusterfarks" if things don't go as planned. And we're talking war here, when do things ever go according to plan?

I don't get why we can't just do what we did with Bin Laden. Problem solved.

For all the jokes about Un, I doubt he's the source of all of this. He's young, Western educated and showed signs of reform. It's likely the military and advisors who are running the show right now, in my opinion.

I wonder this as well. Is he really sitting in on strategy meetings, hunkered over a map directing policy or do the military junta have him locked away in some bunker somewhere with an xbox and terabytes of porn?


His aunt and uncle are running the show, as far as we know
 
2013-04-09 05:51:48 AM  

neongoats: miss diminutive: Abacus9: miss diminutive: Bin laden was the head of a nation of 25 million devotees armed with nuclear weapons?

I'm just saying, we have intelligence. We can find him. We have the technology to do it remotely. As far as 25 million devotees, I'm sure that's what they want us to think. Drop 'em some food. They'll get over it.

After some googling, apparently President Ford signed an executive order prohibiting the assassination of foreign leaders. (I assume this implies during peace time, maybe if war were declared they could train their drones on Dear Leader)

I mean, tying your hands or not, it's a good policy. In much of the world life is cheap, people think nothing of assassinating their way up the chain of command. By signing that order, Ford was saying to the civilized world "we aren't going to do this, don't do this to us".

I wish he had thought of forbidding "secretly funding insurgency organizations" and "supporting fundamentalist colonial dictatorships that burn temples full of buddhists alive for sport", but you know, can't get everything.


True. Not to mention, there's no guarantee that simply eliminating Jong Un (or any foreign leader) would actually improve the situation. It could cause an escalation or just create a power vacuum for the next whacko in line.
 
2013-04-09 05:53:54 AM  

miss diminutive: neongoats: miss diminutive: Abacus9: miss diminutive: Bin laden was the head of a nation of 25 million devotees armed with nuclear weapons?

I'm just saying, we have intelligence. We can find him. We have the technology to do it remotely. As far as 25 million devotees, I'm sure that's what they want us to think. Drop 'em some food. They'll get over it.

After some googling, apparently President Ford signed an executive order prohibiting the assassination of foreign leaders. (I assume this implies during peace time, maybe if war were declared they could train their drones on Dear Leader)

I mean, tying your hands or not, it's a good policy. In much of the world life is cheap, people think nothing of assassinating their way up the chain of command. By signing that order, Ford was saying to the civilized world "we aren't going to do this, don't do this to us".

I wish he had thought of forbidding "secretly funding insurgency organizations" and "supporting fundamentalist colonial dictatorships that burn temples full of buddhists alive for sport", but you know, can't get everything.

True. Not to mention, there's no guarantee that simply eliminating Jong Un (or any foreign leader) would actually improve the situation. It could cause an escalation or just create a power vacuum for the next whacko in line.


Which is why we should take out the whole farking dump of a country. It's going to be pricey either way.
 
2013-04-09 05:57:51 AM  

Abacus9: miss diminutive: After some googling, apparently President Ford signed an executive order prohibiting the assassination of foreign leaders. (I assume this implies during peace time, maybe if war were declared they could train their drones on Dear Leader)

neongoats: I mean, tying your hands or not, it's a good policy. In much of the world life is cheap, people think nothing of assassinating their way up the chain of command. By signing that order, Ford was saying to the civilized world "we aren't going to do this, don't do this to us".

I wish he had thought of forbidding "secretly funding insurgency organizations" and "supporting fundamentalist colonial dictatorships that burn temples full of buddhists alive for sport", but you know, can't get everything.

NobleHam: Because there are at least 100 people we'd have to do that to. Some crazier, some saner, but all prepared to step up and be as brutal and belligerent as Jong-Un.

Good points, and I'm not suggesting or advocating going around assassinating world leaders. I just think it's a better alternative to full blown war if this thing gets nasty. Better to take out one guy, if we have to, than to kill millions of North Koreans, not to mention how many Americans would get killed over it. For what? Because Mr. God-complex likes to run his mouth.


what good do you think killing Dear Eater would do?
 
2013-04-09 05:58:27 AM  

robohobo: miss diminutive: neongoats: miss diminutive: Abacus9: miss diminutive: Bin laden was the head of a nation of 25 million devotees armed with nuclear weapons?

I'm just saying, we have intelligence. We can find him. We have the technology to do it remotely. As far as 25 million devotees, I'm sure that's what they want us to think. Drop 'em some food. They'll get over it.

After some googling, apparently President Ford signed an executive order prohibiting the assassination of foreign leaders. (I assume this implies during peace time, maybe if war were declared they could train their drones on Dear Leader)

I mean, tying your hands or not, it's a good policy. In much of the world life is cheap, people think nothing of assassinating their way up the chain of command. By signing that order, Ford was saying to the civilized world "we aren't going to do this, don't do this to us".

I wish he had thought of forbidding "secretly funding insurgency organizations" and "supporting fundamentalist colonial dictatorships that burn temples full of buddhists alive for sport", but you know, can't get everything.

True. Not to mention, there's no guarantee that simply eliminating Jong Un (or any foreign leader) would actually improve the situation. It could cause an escalation or just create a power vacuum for the next whacko in line.

Which is why we should take out the whole farking dump of a country. It's going to be pricey either way.


General MacArthur? Is that you?
 
2013-04-09 06:01:02 AM  

miss diminutive: neongoats: miss diminutive: Abacus9: miss diminutive: Bin laden was the head of a nation of 25 million devotees armed with nuclear weapons?

I'm just saying, we have intelligence. We can find him. We have the technology to do it remotely. As far as 25 million devotees, I'm sure that's what they want us to think. Drop 'em some food. They'll get over it.

After some googling, apparently President Ford signed an executive order prohibiting the assassination of foreign leaders. (I assume this implies during peace time, maybe if war were declared they could train their drones on Dear Leader)

I mean, tying your hands or not, it's a good policy. In much of the world life is cheap, people think nothing of assassinating their way up the chain of command. By signing that order, Ford was saying to the civilized world "we aren't going to do this, don't do this to us".

I wish he had thought of forbidding "secretly funding insurgency organizations" and "supporting fundamentalist colonial dictatorships that burn temples full of buddhists alive for sport", but you know, can't get everything.

True. Not to mention, there's no guarantee that simply eliminating Jong Un (or any foreign leader) would actually improve the situation. It could cause an escalation or just create a power vacuum for the next whacko in line.


I don't know about that. Look what happened when Reagan tried it with Khadafi. We didn't get him, but we didn't really get much trouble out of him after that either.
 
2013-04-09 06:06:53 AM  

21-7-b: what good do you think killing Dear Eater would do?


more food for everyone else.
 
2013-04-09 06:07:51 AM  

Abacus9: I don't know about that. Look what happened when Reagan tried it with Khadafi. We didn't get him, but we didn't really get much trouble out of him after that either.


So you're plan is that the US basically act as the mafia?

"Hey boss, the bomb went off but...y'know...he didn't die."
"That's ok, as long as he gets the message. Now pass the cannoli."
 
2013-04-09 06:08:26 AM  
Google: kim aunt uncle
 
2013-04-09 06:08:32 AM  

miss diminutive: So you're your plan


sonofa...
 
2013-04-09 06:10:17 AM  
They won't attack.  The people leading North Korea know they would lose their cushy jobs and that's the most important thing to them.
 
2013-04-09 06:14:33 AM  
Anyone advocating military action is clearly NOT located in Seoul.

If I lived in Seoul I would be advocating just paying them off. Not that i think they will do anything, just would like to ensure I didn't get nuked.
 
2013-04-09 06:15:24 AM  
...Well, it's okay - we're actually ratcheting down the tension by reducing or shutting off flying hours to the USAF squadrons that are supposed to deal with Kimmie if he comes south:

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20130408/DEFREG02/304080011/Reduc ed -Flying-Hours-Forces-USAF-Ground-17-Combat-Air-Squadrons

Country's in the best of hands.
 
2013-04-09 06:22:33 AM  

log_jammin: 21-7-b: what good do you think killing Dear Eater would do?

more food for everyone else.


Where's Bob Geldof when you need him?
 
2013-04-09 06:22:45 AM  

Space Monkey 39: Anyone advocating military action is clearly NOT located in Seoul.

If I lived in Seoul I would be advocating just paying them off. Not that i think they will do anything, just would like to ensure I didn't get nuked.


Howzabout SK pay them off?

Any why should we deal with hostage takers, which they effectively are? There are reasons we don't give into demands.
 
2013-04-09 06:23:13 AM  

miss diminutive: So you're plan is that the US basically act as the mafia?


No, and I wouldn't try something like this unless it was wartime and absolutely necessary to save lives. It's one guy vs millions.

miss diminutive: "Hey boss, the bomb went off but...y'know...he didn't die."
"That's ok, as long as he gets the message. Now pass the cannoli."


"Made 'im an offer he couldn't refuse, maybe now paisan will keep his cakehole shut." But no, not really this.
 
2013-04-09 06:29:02 AM  
We can't be fighting no foreign wars right now! They got this here sequestration on, i got to do for me and mine.

i36.photobucket.com

//hot like a Hogwallup
 
2013-04-09 06:31:17 AM  

Abacus9: miss diminutive: So you're plan is that the US basically act as the mafia?

No, and I wouldn't try something like this unless it was wartime and absolutely necessary to save lives. It's one guy vs millions.


I get that you're approaching this from a "needs of the many" versus "the needs of the few" angle. But is there a guarantee that just killing one man would actually save lives? It seems like it would be setting a dangerous precedent for a roll of the dice that might blow up our faces.
 
2013-04-09 06:33:51 AM  

miss diminutive: Abacus9: miss diminutive: So you're plan is that the US basically act as the mafia?

No, and I wouldn't try something like this unless it was wartime and absolutely necessary to save lives. It's one guy vs millions.

I get that you're approaching this from a "needs of the many" versus "the needs of the few" angle. But is there a guarantee that just killing one man would actually save lives? It seems like it would be setting a dangerous precedent for a roll of the dice that might blow up our faces.


There's really no guarantee for anything. What good would yet another war do us, or a nuclear strike? I'm hoping all of this is avoidable, and I don't really think anything will come of this. I just don't see a better alternative if this guy means business.
 
2013-04-09 06:37:00 AM  
You could take the boy out, but the people in charge of propaganda will decide how it is reported, so you're still in the same place
 
2013-04-09 06:39:26 AM  
img541.imageshack.us
 
2013-04-09 06:42:36 AM  
After years of being allied with South Korea providing training, security, and various military supports and years of imposed embargoes and sanctions on North Korea; the S. Koreans should have this "war" well within their hands and not need direct intervention from the US -CORRECT?

I mean if the S.K. cant handle the game with the deck stacked in their favor then we've backed a lousy player.
 
2013-04-09 06:43:50 AM  

Frederick: After years of being allied with South Korea providing training, security, and various military supports and years of imposed embargoes and sanctions on North Korea; the S. Koreans should have this "war" well within their hands and not need direct intervention from the US -CORRECT?

I mean if the S.K. cant handle the game with the deck stacked in their favor then we've backed a lousy player.


I don't think there's any doubt that they'll win. The question is, at what cost?
 
2013-04-09 06:43:50 AM  
"I tell people to reave and they don't reave!  Why aren't they reaving?  Why is nobody ristening to me!?"


Seriously, though...Un was educated outside of Best Korea.  He has to realize what the rest of the world has, right?  He know's his country would be destroyed in any sort of war, right?
 
2013-04-09 06:44:27 AM  
*ARGH...knows

NEED MOAR COFFEE!
 
2013-04-09 06:47:36 AM  
Dennis Rodman what have you done?!
 
2013-04-09 06:50:15 AM  

wambu: I evacuated some kimchi earlier. Does that count?


You Struck Coleslaw!
s7.postimg.org
 
2013-04-09 06:50:36 AM  
Very funny, Kim. Eat any good books lately?
 
2013-04-09 06:59:04 AM  

Abacus9: For what? Because Mr. God-complex likes to run his mouth.


There's ample casus belli. The sinking of the Cheonan should have been enough for war if there were any stomach for it in Washington and Seoul. The politicians are pussyfooting around because as long as it's just bluster and small attacks while S. Korea and the U.S. prosper, they see no need to upset the status quo. We should go to war because the Kim regime deserves to be toppled, not because the brat in charge now is running his mouth. We should go to war because after the Holocaust we said "never again" but we've let hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, die in prison camps in North Korea over the last 60 years, not to mention the millions who died in the arduous march. We should go to war because North Korea soldiers willing crawl through barbed wire and over landmines to defect, even knowing that their families will suffer for it. The people who bemoan Rwanda should be chomping at the bit to intervene, but their memories are short so they let the foolish war in Iraq guide their judgment instead. They think that war is always evil now, but there are greater evils than war, and in this case not going to war is one of them.
 
2013-04-09 07:04:07 AM  

NobleHam: Abacus9: For what? Because Mr. God-complex likes to run his mouth.

There's ample casus belli. The sinking of the Cheonan should have been enough for war if there were any stomach for it in Washington and Seoul. The politicians are pussyfooting around because as long as it's just bluster and small attacks while S. Korea and the U.S. prosper, they see no need to upset the status quo. We should go to war because the Kim regime deserves to be toppled, not because the brat in charge now is running his mouth. We should go to war because after the Holocaust we said "never again" but we've let hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, die in prison camps in North Korea over the last 60 years, not to mention the millions who died in the arduous march. We should go to war because North Korea soldiers willing crawl through barbed wire and over landmines to defect, even knowing that their families will suffer for it. The people who bemoan Rwanda should be chomping at the bit to intervene, but their memories are short so they let the foolish war in Iraq guide their judgment instead. They think that war is always evil now, but there are greater evils than war, and in this case not going to war is one of them.


We should go to war because they have trilliions in minerals.
 
2013-04-09 07:05:59 AM  
I'm calling it. Un will escalate this'll from hyperbolic talk to deadly action likely aimed at South Korea (patrol boat, destination, etc).

Un knows Best Korea will not survive and that's as intended. They have no resources. His people are starving in hordes. However, he has no intention of continued rule after this.

Possible reasons: they're not able to provide for themselves and aid has been too significantly reduced (I don't buy this explanation). They've committed some truly heinous sh*t against their own people and Un is either trying to expose it or hide it.
 
2013-04-09 07:06:27 AM  
 
2013-04-09 07:06:45 AM  
Two weeks ago I was like, wake me when they shut down Kaesong. Now I want to throw a pack of firecrackers on the DMZ.

Let's get this party started.
 
2013-04-09 07:07:43 AM  

robohobo: NobleHam: Abacus9: For what? Because Mr. God-complex likes to run his mouth.

There's ample casus belli. The sinking of the Cheonan should have been enough for war if there were any stomach for it in Washington and Seoul. The politicians are pussyfooting around because as long as it's just bluster and small attacks while S. Korea and the U.S. prosper, they see no need to upset the status quo. We should go to war because the Kim regime deserves to be toppled, not because the brat in charge now is running his mouth. We should go to war because after the Holocaust we said "never again" but we've let hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, die in prison camps in North Korea over the last 60 years, not to mention the millions who died in the arduous march. We should go to war because North Korea soldiers willing crawl through barbed wire and over landmines to defect, even knowing that their families will suffer for it. The people who bemoan Rwanda should be chomping at the bit to intervene, but their memories are short so they let the foolish war in Iraq guide their judgment instead. They think that war is always evil now, but there are greater evils than war, and in this case not going to war is one of them.

We should go to war because they have trilliions in minerals.


"The war will totally pay for itself!  They have WMDs!  The invasion will only cost $80 billion!"

/no thanks!
//unless Best Korea starts lobbing missiles
///and fark 'em on reconstruction
////because that would mean constructing the country in the first place
 
2013-04-09 07:07:48 AM  
Does North Korea have any other countries on it's side in this?

From what I remember from MASH, in the Korean war they had China and the USSR.
(as an aside, the few Korean phrases I learned from MASH turned into nice ice-breakers with my Korean flat-mate in university)

China has already told North Korea it basically won't stand for massive instability in the region, and Russia is no longer the USSR.

Is anybody supporting North Korea at this point?
 
2013-04-09 07:17:54 AM  

thisone: Does North Korea have any other countries on it's side in this?

From what I remember from MASH, in the Korean war they had China and the USSR.
(as an aside, the few Korean phrases I learned from MASH turned into nice ice-breakers with my Korean flat-mate in university)

China has already told North Korea it basically won't stand for massive instability in the region, and Russia is no longer the USSR.

Is anybody supporting North Korea at this point?


China has actually released several public statements basically telling North Korea to calm the fark down.  So No, not really.  Barring an offensive war into North Korea it is highly unlikely China provides them aid.  They like the status quo right now, because if the country falls they will have a massive humanitarian crisis as millions of starving, malnourished, brainwashed people flood over their borders.  Craziness is bad for business, which is the primary Chinese concern.
 
2013-04-09 07:20:46 AM  

log_jammin: so...all four people?


No.

As long as they're not shooting we should just ignore their temper tantrum.

/Republican
 
2013-04-09 07:21:20 AM  

thisone: Does North Korea have any other countries on it's side in this?

From what I remember from MASH, in the Korean war they had China and the USSR.
(as an aside, the few Korean phrases I learned from MASH turned into nice ice-breakers with my Korean flat-mate in university)

China has already told North Korea it basically won't stand for massive instability in the region, and Russia is no longer the USSR.

Is anybody supporting North Korea at this point?




Outside of Iran and other long distance trading partners, they don't seem to.

The problem with China is they will say they dislike the actions of North Korea, and say they aren't supporting them, but the presence of US and SK forces any closer to Chinese territory will likely shift those opinions.
They haven't said they are for reunification, much less unification with western allied forces taking charge.

Their hard liners might be tempted to insure a new war ends in a similar stalemate, and with a nuclear armed belligerent it doesn't take much to see this happening.
 
2013-04-09 07:22:07 AM  
Kim with auntie Kim and her hubby

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2013-04-09 07:23:25 AM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Hey, Kim jong-un, suicide is painless. Give it a shot. Or a black capsule.


It brings on many changes.
 
2013-04-09 07:23:55 AM  

thisone: Does North Korea have any other countries on it's side in this?

From what I remember from MASH, in the Korean war they had China and the USSR.
(as an aside, the few Korean phrases I learned from MASH turned into nice ice-breakers with my Korean flat-mate in university)

China has already told North Korea it basically won't stand for massive instability in the region, and Russia is no longer the USSR.

Is anybody supporting North Korea at this point?


Even North Korea isn't supporting North Korea: hey everyone leave this place so that when we bomb it in an act of war there will be no in juries original deaths.
 
2013-04-09 07:24:23 AM  

Dog Welder: "The war will totally pay for itself! They have WMDs! The invasion will only cost $80 billion!"

/no thanks!
//unless Best Korea starts lobbing missiles
///and fark 'em on reconstruction
////because that would mean constructing the country in the first place


That quote is the kind of reactionary bullshiat from the Iraq War I was talking about. North Korea is as much like Iraq as it is like the United States: not at all. If North Korea starts the war, it's going to be a lot more expensive and a lot more bloody because even if their proven WMDs aren't functional, they will shell Seoul. If we start it, it WILL be quick and cheap. The rebuilding will not be cheap, but it won't be solely on us, it will pay dividends, and there will be ample willing investors. China, South Korea and Japan will all want a piece of that untapped market.
 
2013-04-09 07:26:07 AM  

neongoats: I wish I knew how to mock this properly. How do you make fun of a retard or a midget without sounding mean? Granted, comparing fatty kim to retards and midgets is an insult to midgets and retards everywhere.


Comrade Fatty is in severe danger of making the Big Zero appear to be competent.

Oh, wait... that's not a problem...
 
2013-04-09 07:34:15 AM  

LockeOak: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 528x447]


Thanks for the laugh....can't stop chuckling.
 
2013-04-09 07:35:47 AM  

NobleHam: Dog Welder: "The war will totally pay for itself! They have WMDs! The invasion will only cost $80 billion!"

/no thanks!
//unless Best Korea starts lobbing missiles
///and fark 'em on reconstruction
////because that would mean constructing the country in the first place

That quote is the kind of reactionary bullshiat from the Iraq War I was talking about. North Korea is as much like Iraq as it is like the United States: not at all. If North Korea starts the war, it's going to be a lot more expensive and a lot more bloody because even if their proven WMDs aren't functional, they will shell Seoul. If we start it, it WILL be quick and cheap. The rebuilding will not be cheap, but it won't be solely on us, it will pay dividends, and there will be ample willing investors. China, South Korea and Japan will all want a piece of that untapped market.


Just like Iraq.
 
2013-04-09 07:37:53 AM  
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People's_Army#section_

1 million active duty and 8 million reserves. Command and control structure is heavily tied to the party.
 
2013-04-09 07:42:54 AM  

NobleHam: That quote is the kind of reactionary bullshiat from the Iraq War I was talking about. North Korea is as much like Iraq as it is like the United States: not at all. If North Korea starts the war, it's going to be a lot more expensive and a lot more bloody because even if their proven WMDs aren't functional, they will shell Seoul. If we start it, it WILL be quick and cheap. The rebuilding will not be cheap, but it won't be solely on us, it will pay dividends, and there will be ample willing investors. China, South Korea and Japan will all want a piece of that untapped market.


Yeah, how'd that "Iraq war will pay for itself" bullshiat work out for us?  It turns out we just couldn't take their oil and the American tax payer got stuck with the tab AND high gas prices.

If people want to just go in and start a war for mineral rights, let China do it.

And you seriously don't think if we started bombing North Korea that they wouldn't start shooting everything they have at Seoul, do you?  That's delusional.  Or worse...hitting Tokyo with one of their nukes just because they can.

A war with North Korea, regardless of who starts it, will be bad news for everybody involved.  And rebuilding North Korea (i.e. building North Korea) is going to be expensive.  We don't have any money, last I checked.

Chances are this is all just bluster, like it has been for the past 30 years.  If it's not, we definitely need to be ready.
 
2013-04-09 07:43:46 AM  
Why doesn't the NK military go in at feeding time, wrap the little bastard up in a rug, and chuck his ass in a river? Surely they are tired of his shiat. I am sure they enjoy living the perks of high ranking military, but they gotta know this eventualy will be bad news for everyone involved. I imagine one of them can 'retire' Kim, declare himself ruler, and open up lines of communication with the world starting with "Sorry we've been a bunch of assholes, but our people are starving. Please help us get to a level were we sustain ourselves, and we would love to join the rest of the world in harmony. Send in some inspectors if you want, just do what ever it takes to keep our people from dying"
 
2013-04-09 07:49:31 AM  
From the same article, brass promotion is likely to be timed to coincide with grandpa's birthday - 15th April - and is designed to consolidate power
 
2013-04-09 07:50:22 AM  

robohobo: NobleHam: Abacus9: For what? Because Mr. God-complex likes to run his mouth.

There's ample casus belli. The sinking of the Cheonan should have been enough for war if there were any stomach for it in Washington and Seoul. The politicians are pussyfooting around because as long as it's just bluster and small attacks while S. Korea and the U.S. prosper, they see no need to upset the status quo. We should go to war because the Kim regime deserves to be toppled, not because the brat in charge now is running his mouth. We should go to war because after the Holocaust we said "never again" but we've let hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, die in prison camps in North Korea over the last 60 years, not to mention the millions who died in the arduous march. We should go to war because North Korea soldiers willing crawl through barbed wire and over landmines to defect, even knowing that their families will suffer for it. The people who bemoan Rwanda should be chomping at the bit to intervene, but their memories are short so they let the foolish war in Iraq guide their judgment instead. They think that war is always evil now, but there are greater evils than war, and in this case not going to war is one of them.

We should go to war because they have trilliions in minerals.


We require more minerals.
 
2013-04-09 07:52:39 AM  

Dog Welder: Yeah, how'd that "Iraq war will pay for itself" bullshiat work out for us?  It turns out we just couldn't take their oil and the American tax payer got stuck with the tab AND high gas prices.

If people want to just go in and start a war for mineral rights, let China do it.


It's not about mineral rights, it's about a cheap labor force, and Korea won't be expensive (for us), so it doesn't need to pay for itself. And, yet again, it's not Iraq you farktard.

And you seriously don't think if we started bombing North Korea that they wouldn't start shooting everything they have at Seoul, do you?  That's delusional.  Or worse...hitting Tokyo with one of their nukes just because they can.

They can't hit Tokyo, and they'll start shooting everything they have (which is to say, artillery, since they can't deliver nukes and their planes are so out-of-date they won't make it over the DMZ) at Seoul if they start the war. If we start the war we shoot everything they have before it can be fired. In any case, their artillery is 30 years old and rarely used. Much of it probably doesn't even work, but we'll still bury it under avalanches and rubble.

A war with North Korea, regardless of who starts it, will be bad news for everybody involved.  And rebuilding North Korea (i.e. building North Korea) is going to be expensive.  We don't have any money, last I checked.

War's never ideal, but this time it's preferable to the alternative of letting North Korea stick around. And building North Korea won't be our expense to pay. What isn't covered by private investment (see German re-unification) will be covered by Seoul.

Chances are this is all just bluster, like it has been for the past 30 years.  If it's not, we definitely need to be ready.

Yes, it's almost certainly all bluster, but I've been advocating war with North Korea for a decade. Now the clock is ticking and before long the war actually will be really bad news for everyone involved. Then we'll have to wait out the regime, and we could be waiting a very, very long time while the people suffer.
 
2013-04-09 07:53:42 AM  

Abacus9: As far as 25 million devotees, I'm sure that's what they want us to think. Drop 'em some food


I've seen a lot of folks suggesting this in other threads ("Let's just airdrop food for everyone"). This isn't Somalia, you know. They have elaborate air defense networks and hundreds of fighter jets. They don't have much fuel and probably not a ton of ammunition for those guns, but what are we supposed to do, just fly a hundred C-17's over Pyongyang in the middle of the night? There's no way that will cause trouble......
 
2013-04-09 07:56:21 AM  

iq_in_binary: Alonjar: I wonder if everyone is going to keep going "lol right.. stfu stupid fatty" until they randomly start shooting.  I forsee that as being the outcome if he truly is disillusioned (although i doubt it)

The first shot would be followed by the single most devastating mass ordinance barrage the world has ever seen or ever will see again. The Norks would get maybe two shots off by any of their guns before they got completely wiped off the map.

Yeah, they've got a million man army, they've got lots of Russian artillery, they even have mines. We've got the benefit of all the technological advances made in the past 50 years and the best trained and best equipped soldiers. A bunch of brainwashed hip firing norkies that have been living off of tree bark for the past 6 months zerg rushing the DMZ are naught but target practice. Their artillery pieces aren't much better off given our ability to triangulate them after their first shot.


You undereestimate the artillery north korea has deployed.

The first shot would BE "the single most devastating mass ordinance barrage the world has ever seen or ever will see again"

And it would be directed at a civilian population.
 
2013-04-09 07:56:37 AM  
Oh chill out, this has all happened before and will probably all happen again.  Nobody's going to war.
 
2013-04-09 07:58:44 AM  

NobleHam:
War's never ideal, but this time it's preferable to the alternative of letting North Korea stick around. And building North Korea won't be our expense to pay. What isn't covered by private investment (see German re-unification) will be covered by Seoul.

In ethical terms, this is a tough one. We've watched (inasmuch as we can actually know what goes on in that place) 60 years of this bullshiat. If war is truly inevitable, is it worth the temporary loss of life to prevent another 60 years of this? No easy answer here.

 
2013-04-09 07:59:36 AM  
I still believe what I said before.  NK will start a war and fully plans to lose.  They are going on the assumption that the United States will do what they have done after other wars and pump a few billion into the economy of the third world hell hole.  Kim probably even has plans to heavily shell his own cities so that the world will unite in condemnation of the US and SK for their attacks on civilians.  He figures he will make out ok because unlike other foreign leaders he will go the whole complete surrender route and retire to his palatial mansion with promises not to interfere with the NK government.
 
2013-04-09 08:00:34 AM  

MythDragon: Why doesn't the NK military go in at feeding time, wrap the little bastard up in a rug, and chuck his ass in a river? Surely they are tired of his shiat. I am sure they enjoy living the perks of high ranking military, but they gotta know this eventualy will be bad news for everyone involved. I imagine one of them can 'retire' Kim, declare himself ruler, and open up lines of communication with the world starting with "Sorry we've been a bunch of assholes, but our people are starving. Please help us get to a level were we sustain ourselves, and we would love to join the rest of the world in harmony. Send in some inspectors if you want, just do what ever it takes to keep our people from dying"


They probably would if it was only their own lives they were risking. They don't want three generations of their family locked up in a labor camp.
 
2013-04-09 08:02:36 AM  
At some point NK will realize the bluster and threats aren't working like they have in the past, and start thinking "well now what?". Then it will get interesting; do they throw a few artillery shells across the DMZ, maybe sink another SK patrol boat? If that happens, would SK react like they usually do with a strongly worded protest, or do they say "finally, let's finish this" and go all out on their butts?
 
2013-04-09 08:04:33 AM  

Bendal: At some point NK will realize the bluster and threats aren't working like they have in the past, and start thinking "well now what?". Then it will get interesting; do they throw a few artillery shells across the DMZ, maybe sink another SK patrol boat? If that happens, would SK react like they usually do with a strongly worded protest, or do they say "finally, let's finish this" and go all out on their butts?


The President of Worst Korea is a woman whose parents were both killed by the Best Koreans. For their part, the ROK doesn't seem to be playing around, and the "sunshine policy" has been out the door for a few years now.
 
2013-04-09 08:06:02 AM  
So, is Un trying to go all an hero on an epic scale or something?
 
2013-04-09 08:07:35 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: lohphat: farkingismybusiness: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 485x318]
The changing of the worrd is inevitabre.

What was that?

Esperanto.  Learn it, you're going to need it.


More people speak Klingon.
 
2013-04-09 08:09:30 AM  
I'm just awaiting news about the rocket launch tomorrow. I hope Japan shoots it down.
 
2013-04-09 08:11:08 AM  
China,

Please promise to f*ck up this fat litle sh*t.

Make it hurt.
 
2013-04-09 08:11:47 AM  

Jlop985: robohobo: NobleHam: Abacus9: For what? Because Mr. God-complex likes to run his mouth.

There's ample casus belli. The sinking of the Cheonan should have been enough for war if there were any stomach for it in Washington and Seoul. The politicians are pussyfooting around because as long as it's just bluster and small attacks while S. Korea and the U.S. prosper, they see no need to upset the status quo. We should go to war because the Kim regime deserves to be toppled, not because the brat in charge now is running his mouth. We should go to war because after the Holocaust we said "never again" but we've let hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, die in prison camps in North Korea over the last 60 years, not to mention the millions who died in the arduous march. We should go to war because North Korea soldiers willing crawl through barbed wire and over landmines to defect, even knowing that their families will suffer for it. The people who bemoan Rwanda should be chomping at the bit to intervene, but their memories are short so they let the foolish war in Iraq guide their judgment instead. They think that war is always evil now, but there are greater evils than war, and in this case not going to war is one of them.

We should go to war because they have trilliions in minerals.

We require more minerals.


And cowbell.
 
2013-04-09 08:17:42 AM  

Lehk: You undereestimate the artillery north korea has deployed.

The first shot would BE "the single most devastating mass ordinance barrage the world has ever seen or ever will see again"

And it would be directed at a civilian population.


Actually, I've taken a look at their artillery.   Most of it doesn't have the range to hit the large population centers like Seoul, though some of the more northerly cities are in range.

The long range artillery that can hit Seoul and the surrounding area has a slow rate of fire, and they don't have all that much of it, according to open sources.

Also, it would be incredibly stupid and militarily inept to target the civilian population.  You would first want to hit military targets.  Hitting the civilian centers would be counter-productive:  It pisses everyone off, and it doesn't significantly degrade the capabilities of your opponents.  The *ONLY* exception  to that would be a sort of watered-down "Mutually Assured Destruction" scheme, where you use the idea that you'd target civilian areas as a deterrent to invasion, *BUT* that's only viable if you have enough long range artillery to cause a significant amount of damage and casualties, and the DPRK really doesn't have that capability.

I'll start getting worried when I hear of troop movements within Best Korea.  Until that time, it's all bluster to show that Un is in charge.
 
2013-04-09 08:18:55 AM  

trickymoo: China,

Please promise to f*ck up this fat litle sh*t.

Make it hurt.


Wake up the gimp if necessary.
 
2013-04-09 08:21:18 AM  

Abacus9: miss diminutive: NobleHam: limited military action

I think the issue is that many "limited military actions" can easily become "costly and bloody clusterfarks" if things don't go as planned. And we're talking war here, when do things ever go according to plan?

I don't get why we can't just do what we did with Bin Laden. Problem solved.


So we should spend 10 years attacking, say, Mongolia, and then eventually get around to killing him?
 
2013-04-09 08:29:02 AM  

Even With A Chainsaw: Abacus9: miss diminutive: NobleHam: limited military action

I think the issue is that many "limited military actions" can easily become "costly and bloody clusterfarks" if things don't go as planned. And we're talking war here, when do things ever go according to plan?

I don't get why we can't just do what we did with Bin Laden. Problem solved.

So we should spend 10 years attacking, say, Mongolia, and then eventually get around to killing him?


Ill-advised there. The U.S. has proven it can invade any country, unless you are... wait for it... the Mongols.
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2013-04-09 08:32:27 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Gawdzila: "Pyongyang has shown no sign of preparing its 1.2 million-strong army for war, indicating the threats could be partly intended for domestic purposes"
That pretty much sums it up.

Yep yep.

They cannot go across the DMZ, because there are so many land mines there, they'd lose half their army in the crossing; they cannot go over because whatever air force they have would be shot out of the skies in minutes. They can't go around, because the US carrier group in the Pacific is right there, not to mention Japan's Defense Force (aka the Japanese Army). Now, they've tried going under at several times in history, but there's a limit to how many soldiers you can send through tunnels per hour, and tunnels are insanely easy to kill people in, as al-Qaeda and the Taliban learned to their dismay.

An artillery barrage would seriously damage Seoul, and kill many thousands of people; and guarantee that soon South Korea would be an island nation. And that's the ONLY thing Kim has got as a realistic option at this point. He could conceivably throw a nuke in there--and merely guarantee that the final strike that kills his country would come from several points on the map besides America.

No matter how the scaremongers and war enthusiasts want to whip this up, and even admitting that some scenarios look somewhat worse for South Korea, Kim simply cannot win any kind of war, or even a battle of any size or duration. And the only reason, I suspect, that the US and China are even holding back at this point is to try to save the millions of North Koreans whose only real crime is existing in a country with psychos for dictators.


Everybody keeps talking about this as a U.S.-DPRK conflict. The ROK could handle these morons unassisted; they have a large, modern army and navy with excellent equipment. China and the U.S. are holding back because North Korea is no real threat to anyone but itself, and why waste blood and treasure just for regime change? Especially since South Korea doesn't want a war?
 
2013-04-09 08:38:10 AM  

Gawdzila: "Pyongyang has shown no sign of preparing its 1.2 million-strong army for war, indicating the threats could be partly intended for domestic purposes"
That pretty much sums it up.


True, but I'm still a little concerned because we might not be able to tell if they mobilized their army.  They have effectively no fuel, food, or other supplies, and the majority of the army is on the DMZ anyway.  There wouldn't be a whole lot of movement even if they did "mobilize."

That said though, I agree, this is almost certainly internal bluster.  Which makes me wonder why they even bother----as Jon Stewart pointed out last week, NK civilians don't have access to outside media.  Kim could just tell his people he conquered America and burned down NY for all we care.  It'd work just as well and it wouldn't bother anyone outside of NK.
 
2013-04-09 08:43:30 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Which makes me wonder why they even bother----as Jon Stewart pointed out last week, NK civilians don't have access to outside media.  Kim could just tell his people he conquered America and burned down NY for all we care.  It'd work just as well and it wouldn't bother anyone outside of NK.


North Korea is sounding like the society in Battle Royal.
 
2013-04-09 08:44:23 AM  

NobleHam: You have no neighboring countries or international terrorist groups with an interest in creating an insurgency. I


I am not entirely sure that China would welcome a South Korea-united Korean Peninsula.
 
2013-04-09 08:47:21 AM  

spamdog: Dude, you have to have breaks between provocations otherwise people will just stop taking them seriously.


In my family, we call this the "one step too far" phenomenon. You can pester, annoy, push your family members' buttons only so far. There's a line, and it's not always easy to see. The One Step Too Far might be something relatively mild as compared to the other crap you've been up to, but it's that one little step that takes you over the edge of the heaping pile of your annoying shiat, and will get you punished (if it's a parent) or pounded (if it's a sibling.)

Since Li'l-Un is basically China's annoying PIA little brother, this image is working for me.
 
2013-04-09 09:05:49 AM  
why waste blood and treasure just for regime change?

No one would ever iraq something as foolish as that.
 
2013-04-09 09:07:19 AM  

rwfan: Duck_of_Doom: HaywoodJablonski: Can we have global thermonuclear war already? I'm sick of all the foreplay

Like sleeping with my mom, you'd just be disappointed and wish this never started in the first place.

Spaced Lion: 6 days until KJU hits critical retard mass.

Wasn't there some warning given to diplomats to GTFO by the 10th?  It was posted in another of the zillion NK threads last week.  NK has been beating the war drums very hard over the past few weeks.  Why is he ratcheting up the rhetoric?  Can't just be for food aid.

Not food aid, this time he is holding out for McDonald's
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Note the resemblance.



This is a bit of a threadjack, sorry. That little boy's name is Jambik. He's got his own documentary, and it is sad and a bit horrifying and will make you angry. It is well worth watching. Spoiler: He's not that size because of a Big Mac addiction.
 
2013-04-09 09:11:28 AM  

badhatharry: MythDragon: Why doesn't the NK military go in at feeding time, wrap the little bastard up in a rug, and chuck his ass in a river? Surely they are tired of his shiat. I am sure they enjoy living the perks of high ranking military, but they gotta know this eventualy will be bad news for everyone involved. I imagine one of them can 'retire' Kim, declare himself ruler, and open up lines of communication with the world starting with "Sorry we've been a bunch of assholes, but our people are starving. Please help us get to a level were we sustain ourselves, and we would love to join the rest of the world in harmony. Send in some inspectors if you want, just do what ever it takes to keep our people from dying"

They probably would if it was only their own lives they were risking. They don't want three generations of their family locked up in a labor camp.


Well who's gonna put them in a labor camp if they huck Kim into the ocean? Or just walk in, hand him a hot dog, and while he's distracted, put a bullet in his head. Once that tyrant is dead, you think anyone would stand up for him?
 
2013-04-09 09:12:19 AM  
I was thinking yesterday, you know. I really couldn't give a flying crap if North Korea annihilated South Korea. I really don't care. Do you? I'm not saying this as a troll but would you really give up your life for a bunch of ungrateful Koreans? From what I've read they seem like a bunch of lazy over priviliged assholes who want everyone (see white people) to give up their lives to keep their asses (money, wealth) safe. F*ck 'em. It's time North Americans starting looking after our own countries. We get dragged into these wars for a bunch of people who would prefer us as chatel slaves, we get killed, they get rich. Forget it. I wouldn't go to war to save South Korea. Let North Korea have it. This isn't 1950 and the world has changed since the bad of days of spreading communisim.
 
2013-04-09 09:13:36 AM  

NobleHam: I've studied Korea for fifteen years.


It's quicker to say "I've studied it out".
 
2013-04-09 09:15:54 AM  
Just to put this in perspective for my fellow North Americans.....if Canada and the U.S. entered into a border conflict, do you imagine ever for a second that S. Korea would care? That they'd send troops into Canada/U.S. to protect the lives and property of the people their to preserve those freedoms?
Not farking likely.
 
2013-04-09 09:16:13 AM  
meh! nowt is going to happen, Lil'Kim is just pissed cos Thatcher knocked him of the news threads (mostly)
 
2013-04-09 09:22:02 AM  

dittybopper: Lehk: You undereestimate the artillery north korea has deployed.

The first shot would BE "the single most devastating mass ordinance barrage the world has ever seen or ever will see again"

And it would be directed at a civilian population.

Actually, I've taken a look at their artillery.   Most of it doesn't have the range to hit the large population centers like Seoul, though some of the more northerly cities are in range.


WHAT "more northerly cities"? Seoul is less than an hour's drive to the DMZ. Are you referring to the northern suburbs of Seoul, like Chonnyangni or Uijongbu? Both of them have US military bases attached, and attacking them would be instant war and the destruction of Best Korea. Or are you referring to out of the way towns in Kangwon-do, like Sokcho, but that's way to the east and really not an important target. There's an Army base in Munsan, northwest of Seoul, close to the Best Korean border, but again the Norks would be insane to hit it.


I'll start getting worried when I hear of troop movements within Best Korea.  Until that time, it's all bluster to show that Un is in charge.

It's Jung Un, not Un. Korean first names are, with a very few exceptions, two syllables, like Mi-Hye, Seung Ho, Hee Bin, Ji Won, and so on.
 
2013-04-09 09:30:18 AM  

NobleHam: No, eliminating an oppressive and belligerent dictatorship on the verge of nuclear capability which would destroy any chance of getting rid of them is a prudent call. We're going to go to war with North Korea eventually because we'll have to, it's better to do it now than when they have functioning delivery systems for their weapons.


Fooey.

We won't have to do jack about North Korea other than wait for it to collapse.  Their last ally (that would be China) even approved sanctions on them over this current round of nonsense.

Their government won't survive much longer.  That's why the desperation today.  They know it.  They have almost no industry, little food, and no friends to help.  They're doomed.  That's why they're using this Dr. Evil "get some nukes and hold the world hostage" bit.  It's the last card they can play.

And it isn't going to work.  Nobody is buying it this time.  All we have to do is wait and not send any aid.  Problem will fix itself in the next few years, with any luck.
 
2013-04-09 09:30:41 AM  
marius2:

It's warmonger not war mongler
 
2013-04-09 09:33:39 AM  
Should probably start working on the Best Korean translation of:

Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!
 
2013-04-09 09:39:10 AM  

MythDragon: Why doesn't the NK military go in at feeding time, wrap the little bastard up in a rug, and chuck his ass in a river? Surely they are tired of his shiat. I am sure they enjoy living the perks of high ranking military, but they gotta know this eventualy will be bad news for everyone involved. I imagine one of them can 'retire' Kim, declare himself ruler, and open up lines of communication with the world starting with "Sorry we've been a bunch of assholes, but our people are starving. Please help us get to a level were we sustain ourselves, and we would love to join the rest of the world in harmony. Send in some inspectors if you want, just do what ever it takes to keep our people from dying"


I sincerely doubt that the top of the Best Korean military/government structure cares one bit about anyone who is outside of the apparatus that allows them to hold power. The population is just numbers on a board.
 
2013-04-09 09:43:55 AM  

indarwinsshadow: Just to put this in perspective for my fellow North Americans.....if Canada and the U.S. entered into a border conflict, do you imagine ever for a second that S. Korea would care? That they'd send troops into Canada/U.S. to protect the lives and property of the people their to preserve those freedoms?
Not farking likely.


You are an idiot. South Korea has a mutual defense pact with the US, and in fact they have helped us militarily. South Korea sent troops that served under US command in Vietnam and both Gulf wars. 

 From what I've read they seem like a bunch of lazy, over-privileged assholes who want everyone (see white people) to give up their lives to keep their asses (money, wealth) safe.

I've lived there, and I can tell you that you know nothing about South Korea. OK, half an hour drinking with college students in Shinchon might give you that impression, but people in their 40s and over grew up in extreme poverty in a military dictatorship. South Korea's current prosperity has occurred only very recently, and older Koreans are grateful to the US as a military and economic partner. Moreover, South Korea has mandatory military conscription. Every Korean male over 18 is required to spend two years in the ROK military after leaving school, and technically can be called back in to service in time of war  until the age of 35.

To you, South Korea is just a blob on the map, but to me it's names and faces and memories.
 
2013-04-09 09:44:05 AM  

Ringshadow: [m1ek.dahmus.org image 625x265]

Put up or shut up, NorK. You're the fat kid in gym class threatening to beat everyone up with their kung-fu.


Or with their country lobster

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/marginally obscure
 
2013-04-09 09:45:07 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Gawdzila: "Pyongyang has shown no sign of preparing its 1.2 million-strong army for war, indicating the threats could be partly intended for domestic purposes"
That pretty much sums it up.

True, but I'm still a little concerned because we might not be able to tell if they mobilized their army.  They have effectively no fuel, food, or other supplies, and the majority of the army is on the DMZ anyway.  There wouldn't be a whole lot of movement even if they did "mobilize."

That said though, I agree, this is almost certainly internal bluster.  Which makes me wonder why they even bother----as Jon Stewart pointed out last week, NK civilians don't have access to outside media.  Kim could just tell his people he conquered America and burned down NY for all we care.  It'd work just as well and it wouldn't bother anyone outside of NK.


Yeah but then citizens would be like, ok great, where's all the food now? You said America was starving us
 
2013-04-09 09:48:40 AM  

namegoeshere: rwfan: Duck_of_Doom: HaywoodJablonski: Can we have global thermonuclear war already? I'm sick of all the foreplay

Like sleeping with my mom, you'd just be disappointed and wish this never started in the first place.

Spaced Lion: 6 days until KJU hits critical retard mass.

Wasn't there some warning given to diplomats to GTFO by the 10th?  It was posted in another of the zillion NK threads last week.  NK has been beating the war drums very hard over the past few weeks.  Why is he ratcheting up the rhetoric?  Can't just be for food aid.

Not food aid, this time he is holding out for McDonald's
[thechive.files.wordpress.com image 500x354]
Note the resemblance.


This is a bit of a threadjack, sorry. That little boy's name is Jambik. He's got his own documentary, and it is sad and a bit horrifying and will make you angry. It is well worth watching. Spoiler: He's not that size because of a Big Mac addiction.


I've always wondered if people who used this image to mock Americans noticed that the window clings are clearly not in English
 
2013-04-09 10:01:58 AM  

The WindowLicker: They warned the folks in SOUTH Korea to leave.  They were still welcoming tourists (and their money) to Best Korea.


no, they issued warnings to foreign embassies to leave before the 10th.  Best Korea said they couldn't guarantee safety of foreigners still in pyongyang after the 9th.
 
2013-04-09 10:10:57 AM  
                               Best Korea warns U.S. it has activated long, long time range Rockkets
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2013-04-09 10:12:29 AM  
Nothing happens until China says so.
 
2013-04-09 10:13:59 AM  
Yeah, here's the thing: if you're going to fight someone, especially someone a lot bigger than you, you don't walk up to them and say "I'm going to punch you."  You wait until they turn around and then you punch them in the back of their farking neck.
 
2013-04-09 10:14:47 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Gawdzila: "Pyongyang has shown no sign of preparing its 1.2 million-strong army for war, indicating the threats could be partly intended for domestic purposes"
That pretty much sums it up.

Yep yep.

They cannot go across the DMZ, because there are so many land mines there, they'd lose half their army in the crossing; they cannot go over because whatever air force they have would be shot out of the skies in minutes. They can't go around, because the US carrier group in the Pacific is right there, not to mention Japan's Defense Force (aka the Japanese Army). Now, they've tried going under at several times in history, but there's a limit to how many soldiers you can send through tunnels per hour, and tunnels are insanely easy to kill people in, as al-Qaeda and the Taliban learned to their dismay.

An artillery barrage would seriously damage Seoul, and kill many thousands of people; and guarantee that soon South Korea would be an island nation. And that's the ONLY thing Kim has got as a realistic option at this point. He could conceivably throw a nuke in there--and merely guarantee that the final strike that kills his country would come from several points on the map besides America.

No matter how the scaremongers and war enthusiasts want to whip this up, and even admitting that some scenarios look somewhat worse for South Korea, Kim simply cannot win any kind of war, or even a battle of any size or duration. And the only reason, I suspect, that the US and China are even holding back at this point is to try to save the millions of North Koreans whose only real crime is existing in a country with psychos for dictators.


What he said.

When NK attacked in 1950 the US military was a shell of it's WWII strength, the South Korean army was barely 2 years old, and Japan had no military.   NK's attack was a tactical surprise and they were using equipment similar to that of the UN forces.  Despite all those advantages, the war was essentially over in two months when UN forces broke out of Pusan.  In less than 4 months, the US flag was flying over Pyongyang.  Air power, training, and combat experience played huge roles in the UN victory.

Today's NK military is basically an early Vietnam-era force with a small bit of late cold war vintage aircraft (MiG-29s and MiG-23s) representing the sharp end of their stick.  They're under constant surveillance so they'll be no surprise.  Finally, in addition to the US, they'd face South Korean and Japanese military forces that are among the best trained and equipped in the world.  Should they attack, the NKs would face roughly 600 combat aircraft equal to their best (35 MiG-29s) and vastly superior to everything else, 15 Aegis-equipped destroyers, and almost 30 modern submarines - from Japan and South Korea alone.  On the ground, they'd be sending obsolete-in-the-1970s T-55s to face a South Korean army equipped with 1,500 or so tanks at least equal and probably superior to a first gulf war Abrams.

Even without the US, they're up against an insurmountable task.  They could do some damage but the reply would make the Kuwati "Highway of Death" look like a church picnic.
 
2013-04-09 10:14:49 AM  
From the CBC.ca article on this:

South Korean President Park Geun-hye, who has sought to re-engage North Korea with dialogue and aid since taking office in February, expressed exasperation Tuesday with what she called the "endless vicious cycle" of Seoul answering Pyongyang's hostile behaviour with compromise, only to get more hostility.


My ex's brother had paranoid schizophrenia.  When he was having an...episode...you were supposed to agree with whatever he said and do your best to appease him.  It didn't help.  I'm suddenly seeing a lot of parallels between that and the Koreas.
 
2013-04-09 10:18:02 AM  

JustGetItRight:

When NK attacked in 1950 the US military was a shell of it's WWII strength, the South Korean army was barely 2 years old, and Japan had no military.   NK's attack was a tactical surprise and they were using equipment similar to that of the UN forces.  Despite all those advantages, the war was essentially over in two months when UN forces broke out of Pusan. In less than 4 months, the US flag was flying over Pyongyang. Air power, training, and combat experience played huge roles in the UN victory.

Today's NK military is basically an early Vietnam-era force with a small bit of late cold war vintage aircraft (MiG-29s and MiG-23s) representing the sharp end of their stick. They're under constant surveillance so they'll be no surprise. Finally, in addition to the US, they'd face South Korean and Japanese military forces that are among the best trained and equipped in the world. Should they attack, the NKs would face roughly 600 combat aircraft equal to their best (35 MiG-29s) and vastly superior to everything else, 15 Aegis-equipped destroyers, and almost 30 modern submarines - from Japan and South Korea alone. On the ground, they'd be sending obsolete-in-the-1970s T-55s to face a South Korean army equipped with 1,500 or so tanks at least equal and probably superior to a first gulf war Abrams.

Even without the US, they're up against an insurmountable task. They could do some damage but the reply would make the Kuwati "Highway of Death" look like a church picnic.


Wait, why would the Japanese get involved in this? I agree that worst Korea could probably hold their own even without U.S. assistance (which we are treaty-bound to provide anyway), but why in the world would Japan have anything to do with it if the shiat finally hits the fan?
 
2013-04-09 10:21:44 AM  
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"Something something march of folly something. Nevermind that, what do you think of my magnificent mustache?"
 
2013-04-09 10:39:10 AM  

JustGetItRight: In less than 4 months, the US flag was flying over Pyongyang.

  If only we had stopped there. The Marine Corps ranks this one right up there with  Iwo Jima and Belleau Wood.
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2013-04-09 10:41:26 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Now, they've tried going under at several times in history, but there's a limit to how many soldiers you can send through tunnels per hour, and tunnels are insanely easy to kill people in, as al-Qaeda and the Taliban learned to their dismay.


A few of those weaponized Happy Fun Balls, or perhaps a strategically diverted water main, would make it a very bad day for anyone in a tunnel. I think the tunnels are more for spies/commando squads rather than full-scale invasion.
 
2013-04-09 10:42:33 AM  

nekom: Wait, why would the Japanese get involved in this? I agree that worst Korea could probably hold their own even without U.S. assistance (which we are treaty-bound to provide anyway), but why in the world would Japan have anything to do with it if the shiat finally hits the fan?


North Korea likes sending rockets Japan's way.
 
2013-04-09 10:44:40 AM  

This text is now purple: nekom: Wait, why would the Japanese get involved in this? I agree that worst Korea could probably hold their own even without U.S. assistance (which we are treaty-bound to provide anyway), but why in the world would Japan have anything to do with it if the shiat finally hits the fan?

North Korea likes sending rockets Japan's way.


Maybe so, but why would they waste their precious rockets on Japan, a nation they stand no chance of conquering whatsoever? They don't even have a blue water Navy of any substance, they certainly can't send a million troops to Japan. No doubt Japan is uneasy about this whole situation, but I really doubt they'd come to play a shooting war.
 
2013-04-09 10:45:50 AM  

NobleHam: War's never ideal, but this time it's preferable to the alternative of letting North Korea stick around. And building North Korea won't be our expense to pay. What isn't covered by private investment (see German re-unification) will be covered by Seoul.


Can you honestly sit there and type that?  That if we go in and bomb the shiat out of North Korea that we WOULDN'T be paying for it?  That is delusional.

We'll be paying out money to Halliburton to go in and do a huge chunk of the work because that's what we do.  It will cost us TRILLIONS, even if South Korea, Japan and China pick up a chunk of the tab.  Not to mention the cost of human lives that will get tossed aside and destroyed.

If you're advocating war, sorry, you've lost the debate (and I fully believe North Korea deserves whatever they have coming to them).  You can saying this "isn't Iraq," but the lessons of Iraq should be obvious.  Fighting a preemptive war is wrong and destructive to our own position in the world.

Again, if North Korea tries something stupid, I'm all for retaliation.  But not until then.  (And if it happens retaliation will start about 5 minutes after the North makes a move.)
 
2013-04-09 10:47:36 AM  

BorgiaGinz: dittybopper: Lehk: You undereestimate the artillery north korea has deployed.

The first shot would BE "the single most devastating mass ordinance barrage the world has ever seen or ever will see again"

And it would be directed at a civilian population.

Actually, I've taken a look at their artillery.   Most of it doesn't have the range to hit the large population centers like Seoul, though some of the more northerly cities are in range.

WHAT "more northerly cities"? Seoul is less than an hour's drive to the DMZ. Are you referring to the northern suburbs of Seoul, like Chonnyangni or Uijongbu? Both of them have US military bases attached, and attacking them would be instant war and the destruction of Best Korea. Or are you referring to out of the way towns in Kangwon-do, like Sokcho, but that's way to the east and really not an important target. There's an Army base in Munsan, northwest of Seoul, close to the Best Korean border, but again the Norks would be insane to hit it.


I'm talking about the northern suburbs.

Drive time isn't a good indicator of artillery range.

The outskirts of Seoul proper are about 19 miles from the closest part of North Korea.  That puts most of Seoul out of range of almost all of the KPA artillery.   In fact, for the overwhelming majority of KPA artillery that has the range to hit Seoul, it has to be stationed in the area directly south of Kaesong, a very circumscribed area that will be subject to intense counter-battery fire and strikes by precision munitions if things ever come to blows.

There is artillery that can hit it from longer ranges, but the DPRK doesn't have all that much of it, and it's mostly either rockets, or big tubes, and both have slow set-up and reload times, so it's not going to be like a constant rain of shells and rockets.

No, the KPA isn't going to target civilian areas, they are going to try to hit military bases first and foremost.  To do otherwise would be stupid and basically suicidal:  You don't ignore the forces you are going to be fighting.  There are civilian areas near those bases, and they'll get hit, but that's an example of collateral damage.

I'll start getting worried when I hear of troop movements within Best Korea.  Until that time, it's all bluster to show that Un is in charge.

It's Jung Un, not Un. Korean first names are, with a very few exceptions, two syllables, like Mi-Hye, Seung Ho, Hee Bin, Ji Won, and so on.


I'm aware of that.  My son is half Korean.  I was dissing him by using just the last syllable of his name, which in English has a negative connotation (Un-cola=not cola, unattractive = not attractive, etc.).
 
2013-04-09 10:49:43 AM  

nekom: Wait, why would the Japanese get involved in this? I agree that worst Korea could probably hold their own even without U.S. assistance (which we are treaty-bound to provide anyway), but why in the world would Japan have anything to do with it if the shiat finally hits the fan


The rockets that were moved to the east coast would likely fly over Japan, which Japan has said they WILL shoot out of the sky.
 
2013-04-09 10:50:15 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Kim could just tell his people he conquered America and burned down NY for all we care. It'd work just as well and it wouldn't bother anyone outside of NK.


Nah. You can't let people go around making claims like that. They lose their respect.

If he said he talked us down, that's one thing, but burned down New York? No dice. I'm not saying we need to bomb them in that case, but stealth drones with leaflets full of pictures of New York being awesome in 2013 would be acceptable.
 
2013-04-09 10:50:58 AM  

The Bestest: nekom: Wait, why would the Japanese get involved in this? I agree that worst Korea could probably hold their own even without U.S. assistance (which we are treaty-bound to provide anyway), but why in the world would Japan have anything to do with it if the shiat finally hits the fan

The rockets that were moved to the east coast would likely fly over Japan, which Japan has said they WILL shoot out of the sky.


I don't blame them one bit, but I doubt they will do anything other than that. Their obligation to protect their people requires them to shoot down any such missiles, but I seriously doubt they would do anything else.
 
2013-04-09 10:51:23 AM  

The Bestest: nekom: Wait, why would the Japanese get involved in this? I agree that worst Korea could probably hold their own even without U.S. assistance (which we are treaty-bound to provide anyway), but why in the world would Japan have anything to do with it if the shiat finally hits the fan

The rockets that were moved to the east coast would likely fly over Japan, which Japan has said they WILL shoot out of the sky.


I hope so. My life sucks enough without Nork rockets landing on my head.
 
2013-04-09 10:55:40 AM  

universebetween: ontariolightning: @W7VOA: Yonhap quotes "multiple gov't sources" saying #ROK believes #DPRK "ready to launch missile" moved to east sea. #Korea

i was sitting here. really high. wondering how cool it would not be if china was secretly using north korea as a puppet to instigate war with the us. stupid nervous scared americans buy shiat. also it would pull us further into debt. after n.korea instigates war wit hthe south and we step in china doesnt have to fake pretense anymore and they can actually DEFEND north korea who they were already using as OFFENSE and then go on the offense themselves and take out whoever they want. maybe japan.


                                                                                                                                    THIS.
 
2013-04-09 11:04:39 AM  

doglover: The Bestest: nekom: Wait, why would the Japanese get involved in this? I agree that worst Korea could probably hold their own even without U.S. assistance (which we are treaty-bound to provide anyway), but why in the world would Japan have anything to do with it if the shiat finally hits the fan

The rockets that were moved to the east coast would likely fly over Japan, which Japan has said they WILL shoot out of the sky.

I hope so. My life sucks enough without Nork rockets landing on my head.


Could be worse.  Could be Snork rockets.

www.nationmaster.com
 
2013-04-09 11:07:25 AM  

dittybopper: Could be worse.  Could be Snork rockets.


If you could breathe underwater, where would you go?
 
2013-04-09 11:10:48 AM  

Duck_of_Doom: HaywoodJablonski: Can we have global thermonuclear war already? I'm sick of all the foreplay

Like sleeping with my mom, you'd just be disappointed and wish this never started in the first place.

Spaced Lion: 6 days until KJU hits critical retard mass.

Wasn't there some warning given to diplomats to GTFO by the 10th?  It was posted in another of the zillion NK threads last week.  NK has been beating the war drums very hard over the past few weeks.  Why is he ratcheting up the rhetoric?  Can't just be for food aid.

If I were a conspiracy nut, I'd say they are the proxy between China and the US.  China could probably gain a lot by taking over NK (mineral rights, a further destabilized US); it may not even care about the human rights disaster that is awaiting them since China doesn't seem so bleeding heart nation-building as the West is perceived to be.


IMHO, China already has access to NK's mineral rights, China is NK's biggest trading partner.

Why rock the boat and bring the ire of your biggest trading partner, the US, by invading a shiathole?

Let it fester and take the cheap labor and minerals.

NK is playing a game of brinkmanship to get food and avoid a coup. They are on the cusp of a horrible famine like they suffered in the 90's and the army needs to eat or Lil Kim dies.

They've been playing this game for a long time, the collective world is sick of it and wants them to rot.

/This will end when someone shows up with food, I'm betting China will feed them.
 
2013-04-09 11:11:32 AM  

indarwinsshadow: I was thinking yesterday, you know. I really couldn't give a flying crap if North Korea annihilated South Korea. I really don't care. Do you? I'm not saying this as a troll but would you really give up your life for a bunch of ungrateful Koreans? From what I've read they seem like a bunch of lazy over priviliged assholes who want everyone (see white people) to give up their lives to keep their asses (money, wealth) safe. F*ck 'em. It's time North Americans starting looking after our own countries. We get dragged into these wars for a bunch of people who would prefer us as chatel slaves, we get killed, they get rich. Forget it. I wouldn't go to war to save South Korea. Let North Korea have it. This isn't 1950 and the world has changed since the bad of days of spreading communisim.


4/10. Decent blend of racism, economic and military ignorance. I'm surprised the term "buckethead" didn't make it in there.
 
2013-04-09 11:12:49 AM  

p4p3rm4t3: universebetween: ontariolightning: @W7VOA: Yonhap quotes "multiple gov't sources" saying #ROK believes #DPRK "ready to launch missile" moved to east sea. #Korea

i was sitting here. really high. wondering how cool it would not be if china was secretly using north korea as a puppet to instigate war with the us. stupid nervous scared americans buy shiat. also it would pull us further into debt. after n.korea instigates war wit hthe south and we step in china doesnt have to fake pretense anymore and they can actually DEFEND north korea who they were already using as OFFENSE and then go on the offense themselves and take out whoever they want. maybe japan.

                                                                                                                                    THIS.


?? You're agreeing that really high people come up with stupid geopolitical theories?
 
2013-04-09 11:18:39 AM  
OK I know this is kind of rhetorical BUT why would KJU suddenly have this heartfelt need to safe the lives of 'foreigners' from certain doom and death while letting his own countrymen perish in a nuclearball of fire?

I mean if I am hellbent of starting a thermonuclear war that I know will kill millions why would I care if a few hundred tourists or people staying here also dies in the process?
 
2013-04-09 11:20:56 AM  

mbillips: p4p3rm4t3: universebetween: ontariolightning: @W7VOA: Yonhap quotes "multiple gov't sources" saying #ROK believes #DPRK "ready to launch missile" moved to east sea. #Korea

i was sitting here. really high. wondering how cool it would not be if china was secretly using north korea as a puppet to instigate war with the us. stupid nervous scared americans buy shiat. also it would pull us further into debt. after n.korea instigates war wit hthe south and we step in china doesnt have to fake pretense anymore and they can actually DEFEND north korea who they were already using as OFFENSE and then go on the offense themselves and take out whoever they want. maybe japan.

                                                                                                                                    THIS.

?? You're agreeing that really high people come up with stupid geopolitical theories?


China has helped DPRK by fighting with them against the US and South Korea before. They have also been keeping North Korea alive.
As stated up thread nothing happens unless China says so. Why is it stupid?
 
2013-04-09 11:25:33 AM  

miss diminutive: spamdog: Dude, you have to have breaks between provocations otherwise people will just stop taking them seriously.

Seriously. He's turning into the boy who cried wolf.

i2.cdn.turner.com

 
2013-04-09 11:25:44 AM  
namegoeshere:
This is a bit of a threadjack, sorry. That little boy's name is Jambik. He's got his own documentary, and it is sad and a bit horrifying and will make you angry. It is well worth watching. Spoiler: He's not that size because of a Big Mac addiction.

Unless he has a medical condition which requires him to eat massive quantities of fast food, he should not be gorging himself. I put the blame solely with the mother, for keeping his weight ever increasing to keep the attention and money coming to her.
 
2013-04-09 11:28:15 AM  

indarwinsshadow: I was thinking yesterday, you know. I really couldn't give a flying crap if North Korea annihilated South Korea. I really don't care. Do you? I'm not saying this as a troll but would you really give up your life for a bunch of ungrateful Koreans? From what I've read they seem like a bunch of lazy over priviliged assholes who want everyone (see white people) to give up their lives to keep their asses (money, wealth) safe. F*ck 'em. It's time North Americans starting looking after our own countries. We get dragged into these wars for a bunch of people who would prefer us as chatel slaves, we get killed, they get rich. Forget it. I wouldn't go to war to save South Korea. Let North Korea have it. This isn't 1950 and the world has changed since the bad of days of spreading communisim.


Well.. considering a good chunk of computer memory chips are made in SK, a large amount of equipment for displays, radio transmission, and the second largest shipbuilding in the world... You might want to rethink that whole 'NK annihilating SK' bit.
 
2013-04-09 11:33:33 AM  

tgambitg: Well.. considering a good chunk of computer memory chips are made in SK, a large amount of equipment for displays, radio transmission, and the second largest shipbuilding in the world... You might want to rethink that whole 'NK annihilating SK' bit.


Most of the world's solid-state memory and TFT screens of all sizes come from South Korea.
 
2013-04-09 11:38:51 AM  

nekom: Wait, why would the Japanese get involved in this? I agree that worst Korea could probably hold their own even without U.S. assistance (which we are treaty-bound to provide anyway), but why in the world would Japan have anything to do with it if the shiat finally hits the fan?


For starters, next to the RoK they're the most threatened by NK's nuclear arsenal.  Not only are they within easy range, they'd also be very directly impacted by any detonation on the Korean peninsula.

In the 1980s, NK was known to kidnap Japanese citizens.  NK missile tests overfly Japanese airspace.  NK vessels also poach Japanese waters and engage in espionage.

The two nations have even fought a naval engagement this (21st) century.

They don't like each other and the NKs are a clear and present danger to Japan.  You can book it that if the balloon goes up, the Japanese will at the least conduct combat air patrol, AEW, ELINT, tanker  and maritime patrol/escort missions.   I would bet they'd engage in actual air and naval combat operations.
 
2013-04-09 11:39:02 AM  

marius2: [img541.imageshack.us image 533x640]

img541.imageshack.us

It's "warMONGER"

profile.ak.fbcdn.net

/know the difference.
 
2013-04-09 11:40:15 AM  

The Bestest: tgambitg: Well.. considering a good chunk of computer memory chips are made in SK, a large amount of equipment for displays, radio transmission, and the second largest shipbuilding in the world... You might want to rethink that whole 'NK annihilating SK' bit.

Most of the world's solid-state memory and TFT screens of all sizes come from South Korea.


and the major iPhone competitor, hmmm....

/nahhhh
 
2013-04-09 11:40:35 AM  

marius2: [img541.imageshack.us image 533x640]


Can someone please fix the misspelling of "monger" if this thing is going to keep turning up for a while?
 
2013-04-09 11:43:00 AM  

mbillips: p4p3rm4t3: universebetween: ontariolightning: @W7VOA: Yonhap quotes "multiple gov't sources" saying #ROK believes #DPRK "ready to launch missile" moved to east sea. #Korea

i was sitting here. really high. wondering how cool it would not be if china was secretly using north korea as a puppet to instigate war with the us. stupid nervous scared americans buy shiat. also it would pull us further into debt. after n.korea instigates war wit hthe south and we step in china doesnt have to fake pretense anymore and they can actually DEFEND north korea who they were already using as OFFENSE and then go on the offense themselves and take out whoever they want. maybe japan.

                                                                                                                                    THIS.

?? You're agreeing that really high people come up with stupid geopolitical theories?

China has helped DPRK by fighting with them against the US and South Korea before. They have also been keeping North Korea alive.
As stated up thread nothing happens unless China says so. Why is it stupid?


You could also go with what RT said about it. Blaming it on the Americans.
LINK
 
2013-04-09 11:49:10 AM  
China has nothing to gain from an open -or- proxy conflict with the US. China's all about playing the long game and coming into a conflict against the US over NK is contrary to those efforts.
 
2013-04-09 11:58:14 AM  

Mojongo: JustGetItRight: In less than 4 months, the US flag was flying over Pyongyang.
  If only we had stopped there. The Marine Corps ranks this one right up there with  Iwo Jima and Belleau Wood.
                                 [i812.photobucket.com image 329x215]


"We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things."

-Chesty Puller

upload.wikimedia.org

"Now who wants cake?"

-Chesty Puller
 
2013-04-09 12:05:38 PM  

MythDragon: Why doesn't the NK military go in at feeding time, wrap the little bastard up in a rug, and chuck his ass in a river? Surely they are tired of his shiat. I am sure they enjoy living the perks of high ranking military, but they gotta know this eventualy will be bad news for everyone involved. I imagine one of them can 'retire' Kim, declare himself ruler, and open up lines of communication with the world starting with "Sorry we've been a bunch of assholes, but our people are starving. Please help us get to a level were we sustain ourselves, and we would love to join the rest of the world in harmony. Send in some inspectors if you want, just do what ever it takes to keep our people from dying"


Keep in mind, the NK military is likely the ones calling the shots and/or pushing the NK government to be dicks.  The generals get to live like kings.  They can't justify that unless the country is in a permanent war footing.

dittybopper: Also, it would be incredibly stupid and militarily inept to target the civilian population. You would first want to hit military targets. Hitting the civilian centers would be counter-productive: It pisses everyone off, and it doesn't significantly degrade the capabilities of your opponents. The *ONLY* exception to that would be a sort of watered-down "Mutually Assured Destruction" scheme, where you use the idea that you'd target civilian areas as a deterrent to invasion, *BUT* that's only viable if you have enough long range artillery to cause a significant amount of damage and casualties, and the DPRK really doesn't have that capability.


That, and you have to figure a lot of those troops have never fired that artillery piece in their life, a lot of the pieces haven't been fired ever or in decades...
 
2013-04-09 12:11:08 PM  

universebetween: ontariolightning: @W7VOA: Yonhap quotes "multiple gov't sources" saying #ROK believes #DPRK "ready to launch missile" moved to east sea. #Korea

i was sitting here. really high. wondering how cool it would not be if china was secretly using north korea as a puppet to instigate war with the us. stupid nervous scared americans buy shiat. also it would pull us further into debt. after n.korea instigates war wit hthe south and we step in china doesnt have to fake pretense anymore and they can actually DEFEND north korea who they were already using as OFFENSE and then go on the offense themselves and take out whoever they want. maybe japan.


The only problem with that theory (from China's point of view anyway), is all our debt we sold to China would be null and void if we went to war together.

It might be the reason why we haven't given them food to shut them up yet. Going to war with China benefits America: no debt, manufacturing returns to the US/Mexico (a current trend), Obama gets warhawks on his side to push his agenda.
 
2013-04-09 12:16:10 PM  
 

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: "We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things."-Chesty Puller


"Retreat Hell! We're just attacking in another direction." (Attributed to Major General Oliver P. Smith, USMC, Korea, December 1950.)
 
2013-04-09 12:23:33 PM  

p4p3rm4t3: mbillips: p4p3rm4t3: universebetween: ontariolightning: @W7VOA: Yonhap quotes "multiple gov't sources" saying #ROK believes #DPRK "ready to launch missile" moved to east sea. #Korea

i was sitting here. really high. wondering how cool it would not be if china was secretly using north korea as a puppet to instigate war with the us. stupid nervous scared americans buy shiat. also it would pull us further into debt. after n.korea instigates war wit hthe south and we step in china doesnt have to fake pretense anymore and they can actually DEFEND north korea who they were already using as OFFENSE and then go on the offense themselves and take out whoever they want. maybe japan.

                                                                                                                                    THIS.

?? You're agreeing that really high people come up with stupid geopolitical theories?

China has helped DPRK by fighting with them against the US and South Korea before. They have also been keeping North Korea alive.
As stated up thread nothing happens unless China says so. Why is it stupid?


Because the current Chinese government and economic system bear absolutely no resemblance to 1950 China. China has no interest in fighting a war with anyone (Mao farking LOVED wars according to a recent biography, because they were exciting, and he was a thrill-seeker who didn't give a crap about people). China would like to claim and defend some resources in the South China sea, which is the source of much of their military posturing, but the only people they have real beefs with are their major trading partners. And their whole economic boom since dumping communist economics is based on trade. The only reason they prop up North Korea is to keep out a wave of starving immigrants, and because they don't want a prosperous democracy right on their border to give the Chinese people ideas.

That's why it's stupid.
 
2013-04-09 12:30:37 PM  

shortymac: universebetween: ontariolightning: @W7VOA: Yonhap quotes "multiple gov't sources" saying #ROK believes #DPRK "ready to launch missile" moved to east sea. #Korea

i was sitting here. really high. wondering how cool it would not be if china was secretly using north korea as a puppet to instigate war with the us. stupid nervous scared americans buy shiat. also it would pull us further into debt. after n.korea instigates war wit hthe south and we step in china doesnt have to fake pretense anymore and they can actually DEFEND north korea who they were already using as OFFENSE and then go on the offense themselves and take out whoever they want. maybe japan.

The only problem with that theory (from China's point of view anyway), is all our debt we sold to China would be null and void if we went to war together.

It might be the reason why we haven't given them food to shut them up yet. Going to war with China benefits America: no debt, manufacturing returns to the US/Mexico (a current trend), Obama gets warhawks on his side to push his agenda.


Damn, the derp in this thread is DEEP. China doesn't hold most of our debt. WE do (or our institutions and rich people do). China holds about a trillion dollars of our $18 trillion debt. So does Japan. This teabagger notion that we're debt slaves to China is just stupid; they actually hold less in U.S. bonds now than a couple years ago.
 
2013-04-09 12:36:25 PM  

mbillips: Damn, the derp in this thread is DEEP. China doesn't hold most of our debt. WE do (or our institutions and rich people do). China holds about a trillion dollars of our $18 trillion debt. So does Japan. This teabagger notion that we're debt slaves to China is just stupid; they actually hold less in U.S. bonds now than a couple years ago.


THANK YOU
 
2013-04-09 12:44:22 PM  

Mojongo: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: "We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things."-Chesty Puller

"Retreat Hell! We're just attacking in another direction." (Attributed to Major General Oliver P. Smith, USMC, Korea, December 1950.)


My dad met Maj. General Oliver Smith. General Smith pinned a medal on my father during the Korean War. My father is the one who advised me that it is not wise to sing "The Marine Corps Hymn" to the tune of "My Darlin' Clementine".

/RIP Raymond G. Carter, GySgt Ret.
 
2013-04-09 01:05:42 PM  
Can't we just flip a coin with China to see who has to go in and clean house?
 
2013-04-09 01:15:30 PM  

dittybopper: BorgiaGinz: dittybopper: Lehk: You undereestimate the artillery north korea has deployed.

The first shot would BE "the single most devastating mass ordinance barrage the world has ever seen or ever will see again"

And it would be directed at a civilian population.

Actually, I've taken a look at their artillery.   Most of it doesn't have the range to hit the large population centers like Seoul, though some of the more northerly cities are in range.

WHAT "more northerly cities"? Seoul is less than an hour's drive to the DMZ. Are you referring to the northern suburbs of Seoul, like Chonnyangni or Uijongbu? Both of them have US military bases attached, and attacking them would be instant war and the destruction of Best Korea. Or are you referring to out of the way towns in Kangwon-do, like Sokcho, but that's way to the east and really not an important target. There's an Army base in Munsan, northwest of Seoul, close to the Best Korean border, but again the Norks would be insane to hit it.

I'm talking about the northern suburbs.

Drive time isn't a good indicator of artillery range.

The outskirts of Seoul proper are about 19 miles from the closest part of North Korea.  That puts most of Seoul out of range of almost all of the KPA artillery.   In fact, for the overwhelming majority of KPA artillery that has the range to hit Seoul, it has to be stationed in the area directly south of Kaesong, a very circumscribed area that will be subject to intense counter-battery fire and strikes by precision munitions if things ever come to blows.

There is artillery that can hit it from longer ranges, but the DPRK doesn't have all that much of it, and it's mostly either rockets, or big tubes, and both have slow set-up and reload times, so it's not going to be like a constant rain of shells and rockets.

No, the KPA isn't going to target civilian areas, they are going to try to hit military bases first and foremost.  To do otherwise would be stupid and basically suicidal:  You don't ignore the forces you are going to be fighting.  There are civilian areas near those bases, and they'll get hit, but that's an example of collateral damage.

I'll start getting worried when I hear of troop movements within Best Korea.  Until that time, it's all bluster to show that Un is in charge.

It's Jung Un, not Un. Korean first names are, with a very few exceptions, two syllables, like Mi-Hye, Seung Ho, Hee Bin, Ji Won, and so on.

I'm aware of that.  My son is half Korean.  I was dissing him by using just the last syllable of his name, which in English has a negative connotation (Un-cola=not cola, unattractive = not attractive, etc.).


You saw a Korean weiner? Was it tiny?
 
2013-04-09 01:22:23 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: marius2: [img541.imageshack.us image 533x640]


It's "warMONGER"

/know the difference.


that's GRINMAN
 
2013-04-09 01:29:00 PM  

The Bestest: mbillips: Damn, the derp in this thread is DEEP. China doesn't hold most of our debt. WE do (or our institutions and rich people do). China holds about a trillion dollars of our $18 trillion debt. So does Japan. This teabagger notion that we're debt slaves to China is just stupid; they actually hold less in U.S. bonds now than a couple years ago.

THANK YOU


WRONG, CHINKS ARE LITERALLY KNOCKING ON MY FRONT DOOR ASKING FOR MY DEBIT CARD PIN AT THIS MOMENT
 
2013-04-09 01:42:22 PM  
This business will get out of control. It will get out of cont...oh fark it. I've long ago ceased giving any farks about fat boy and his saber rattling. I don't want another war, and I definitely don't want nukes involved, but seriously he needs to shiat or get off the pot.
 
2013-04-09 01:43:18 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: That, and you have to figure a lot of those troops have never fired that artillery piece in their life, a lot of the pieces haven't been fired ever or in decades...


Meh.

Most artillery is pretty damned simple.  It's not like they have a whole lot of fiddly bits that need constant maintenance and adjustment.

Well, maybe some US artillery is like that, but the (for the most part) simple Soviet-era tube artillery and derivatives thereof that the KPA has, if you keep them oiled and do some PMCS on them once in a while, they should stay in perfectly serviceable condition for, what, 50 to 100 years?
 
2013-04-09 02:00:59 PM  

HallsOfMandos: Ringshadow: [m1ek.dahmus.org image 625x265]

Put up or shut up, NorK. You're the fat kid in gym class threatening to beat everyone up with their kung-fu.

Or with their country lobster

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x384]

/marginally obscure



that lobster is no match for hot air!
 
2013-04-09 02:12:51 PM  
NK: We are going to drop a Nuke on Guam, we are going to Nuke Hawaii, and we are going to Nuke the US major cities. You will all die in waves of nuclear fire!

Nk: BTW can we PLEASE please have a bunch of food and money?

US: What? fark no! fark you! I hope your people decapitate and eat you. farker.
 
2013-04-09 02:27:21 PM  

Professor Farksworth: This business will get out of control. It will get out of cont...oh fark it. I've long ago ceased giving any farks about fat boy and his saber rattling. I don't want another war, and I definitely don't want nukes involved, but seriously he needs to shiat or get off the pot.


Actually he needs to get ON THE POT (CANNABIS) h0h0h0 j00 4¦23 ¦\¦00¦
 
2013-04-09 02:32:40 PM  
HAPPY PREMISE NUMBER ONE: THERE ARE NO ALIENS
 
2013-04-09 03:25:10 PM  

mbillips: shortymac: universebetween: ontariolightning: @W7VOA: Yonhap quotes "multiple gov't sources" saying #ROK believes #DPRK "ready to launch missile" moved to east sea. #Korea

i was sitting here. really high. wondering how cool it would not be if china was secretly using north korea as a puppet to instigate war with the us. stupid nervous scared americans buy shiat. also it would pull us further into debt. after n.korea instigates war wit hthe south and we step in china doesnt have to fake pretense anymore and they can actually DEFEND north korea who they were already using as OFFENSE and then go on the offense themselves and take out whoever they want. maybe japan.

The only problem with that theory (from China's point of view anyway), is all our debt we sold to China would be null and void if we went to war together.

It might be the reason why we haven't given them food to shut them up yet. Going to war with China benefits America: no debt, manufacturing returns to the US/Mexico (a current trend), Obama gets warhawks on his side to push his agenda.

Damn, the derp in this thread is DEEP. China doesn't hold most of our debt. WE do (or our institutions and rich people do). China holds about a trillion dollars of our $18 trillion debt. So does Japan. This teabagger notion that we're debt slaves to China is just stupid; they actually hold less in U.S. bonds now than a couple years ago.


I should note that it's a crackpot conspiracy theory in response to a crackpot conspiracy theory, not what i actually believe.

/I love conspiracy theories
//Don't believe them however
 
2013-04-09 03:36:08 PM  

Dog Welder: NobleHam: War's never ideal, but this time it's preferable to the alternative of letting North Korea stick around. And building North Korea won't be our expense to pay. What isn't covered by private investment (see German re-unification) will be covered by Seoul.

Can you honestly sit there and type that?  That if we go in and bomb the shiat out of North Korea that we WOULDN'T be paying for it?  That is delusional.

We'll be paying out money to Halliburton to go in and do a huge chunk of the work because that's what we do.  It will cost us TRILLIONS, even if South Korea, Japan and China pick up a chunk of the tab.  Not to mention the cost of human lives that will get tossed aside and destroyed.

If you're advocating war, sorry, you've lost the debate (and I fully believe North Korea deserves whatever they have coming to them).  You can saying this "isn't Iraq," but the lessons of Iraq should be obvious.  Fighting a preemptive war is wrong and destructive to our own position in the world.

Again, if North Korea tries something stupid, I'm all for retaliation.  But not until then.  (And if it happens retaliation will start about 5 minutes after the North makes a move.)


If you think Iraq taught us not to fight pre-emptive wars, you got the wrong lesson out of Iraq. Iraq taught us not to get involved in centuries old ethnic conflicts next to Iran. We won't be paying Halliburton shiat more than we pay them already to staff bases in South Korea (which as far as I know is nada) and the war would not be expensive. The expenses are in rebuilding and garrisoning troops long term. We wouldn't need to garrison any more troops than we already do so that cost is irrelevant, and rebuilding would not be on us. It's not delusional, it's logical.
 
2013-04-09 04:16:23 PM  

NobleHam: war would not be expensive


I generally agree with most everything you said except this part.

Unlike Iraq, we would be expending vast amounts of precision munitions and employing significant numbers of costly platforms at a high tempo.  We'd lose a few to operational causes if nothing else.

It would be expensive.  Maybe not 10 year occupation expensive, but still very expensive.
 
2013-04-09 05:24:22 PM  

Dog Welder: NobleHam: That quote is the kind of reactionary bullshiat from the Iraq War I was talking about. North Korea is as much like Iraq as it is like the United States: not at all. If North Korea starts the war, it's going to be a lot more expensive and a lot more bloody because even if their proven WMDs aren't functional, they will shell Seoul. If we start it, it WILL be quick and cheap. The rebuilding will not be cheap, but it won't be solely on us, it will pay dividends, and there will be ample willing investors. China, South Korea and Japan will all want a piece of that untapped market.

Yeah, how'd that "Iraq war will pay for itself" bullshiat work out for us?  It turns out we just couldn't take their oil and the American tax payer got stuck with the tab AND high gas prices.

If people want to just go in and start a war for mineral rights, let China do it.

And you seriously don't think if we started bombing North Korea that they wouldn't start shooting everything they have at Seoul, do you?  That's delusional.  Or worse...hitting Tokyo with one of their nukes just because they can.

A war with North Korea, regardless of who starts it, will be bad news for everybody involved.  And rebuilding North Korea (i.e. building North Korea) is going to be expensive.  We don't have any money, last I checked.

Chances are this is all just bluster, like it has been for the past 30 years.  If it's not, we definitely need to be ready.


one thing is for sure; the element of surprise is advantageous.   If we are going to go to war with them, if it is truly inevitable, then we should start it and make damn sure it is a surprise, because the alternative will surely cost more.

This is not Iraq.  We don't need 6 months to build up our forces, we don't need the world to approve, and we don't need a coalition of the willing.  The only thing that matters is what the US and South Koreans think, and to a much lesser extent, China.    Most of what we will need is already sitting in South Korea or nearby.  We are already at war.  If the worst thing we can be accused of is breaking a cease fire, then let whoooopdy-farking-doo...
 
2013-04-09 06:58:42 PM  

Tenatra: neongoats: I wish I knew how to mock this properly. How do you make fun of a retard or a midget without sounding mean? Granted, comparing fatty kim to retards and midgets is an insult to midgets and retards everywhere.

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Got a serious ROR out of me.
 
2013-04-09 11:10:18 PM  

Cagey B: NobleHam: We ought to give them war whether they want it or not.

You're right. Initiating a massively destabilizing armed conflict in response to transparent dick-waving is the prudent call here. I'm glad the 403rd Keyboard Brigade is on the scene now.


CHAIRrrrrrrrrrrrrrBORN!
 
2013-04-10 12:03:50 AM  

dukeblue219: Abacus9: As far as 25 million devotees, I'm sure that's what they want us to think. Drop 'em some food

I've seen a lot of folks suggesting this in other threads ("Let's just airdrop food for everyone"). This isn't Somalia, you know. They have elaborate air defense networks and hundreds of fighter jets. They don't have much fuel and probably not a ton of ammunition for those guns, but what are we supposed to do, just fly a hundred C-17's over Pyongyang in the middle of the night? There's no way that will cause trouble......


Fine then, do it remotely. Nuke 'em some food (not with an actual nuke). ABM with food package parachutes, something like that.
 
2013-04-10 12:07:13 AM  

Even With A Chainsaw: Abacus9: miss diminutive: NobleHam: limited military action

I think the issue is that many "limited military actions" can easily become "costly and bloody clusterfarks" if things don't go as planned. And we're talking war here, when do things ever go according to plan?

I don't get why we can't just do what we did with Bin Laden. Problem solved.

So we should spend 10 years attacking, say, Mongolia, and then eventually get around to killing him?


Hmmm, not exactly the point I was trying to make...
 
2013-04-10 12:13:22 AM  

indarwinsshadow: I was thinking yesterday, you know. I really couldn't give a flying crap if North Korea annihilated South Korea. I really don't care. Do you? I'm not saying this as a troll but would you really give up your life for a bunch of ungrateful Koreans? From what I've read they seem like a bunch of lazy over priviliged assholes who want everyone (see white people) to give up their lives to keep their asses (money, wealth) safe. F*ck 'em. It's time North Americans starting looking after our own countries. We get dragged into these wars for a bunch of people who would prefer us as chatel slaves, we get killed, they get rich. Forget it. I wouldn't go to war to save South Korea. Let North Korea have it. This isn't 1950 and the world has changed since the bad of days of spreading communisim.


So... Fark 'em Gangnam style?
Seriously though, if North Korea wipes out South Korea, we would probably be next on the list. That's a good enough reason to not let it happen.
 
2013-04-10 01:05:38 AM  
For all you international political experts...technically the Korean War never ended does that mean that UN resolution 82/83 are still 'in play'? Could South Korea, Japan or the US use them as justification to respond to the North's actions and say they are allowable under some 60 year old UN resolution?
 
2013-04-10 10:28:44 AM  

Abacus9: indarwinsshadow: I was thinking yesterday, you know. I really couldn't give a flying crap if North Korea annihilated South Korea. I really don't care. Do you? I'm not saying this as a troll but would you really give up your life for a bunch of ungrateful Koreans? From what I've read they seem like a bunch of lazy over priviliged assholes who want everyone (see white people) to give up their lives to keep their asses (money, wealth) safe. F*ck 'em. It's time North Americans starting looking after our own countries. We get dragged into these wars for a bunch of people who would prefer us as chatel slaves, we get killed, they get rich. Forget it. I wouldn't go to war to save South Korea. Let North Korea have it. This isn't 1950 and the world has changed since the bad of days of spreading communisim.

So... Fark 'em Gangnam style?
Seriously though, if North Korea wipes out South Korea, we would probably be next on the list. That's a good enough reason to not let it happen.


Why? What would be the purpose? I can see how punk ass Kim Jong-Un would have a hardon to attack and put Korea back together, where his daddy and grandpa failed, but why attack the United States if they don't intervene?

Keep asking myself what Karl Marx said in Das Kapital - Who does it benefit?
 
2013-04-11 12:05:45 AM  

indarwinsshadow: Abacus9: indarwinsshadow: I was thinking yesterday, you know. I really couldn't give a flying crap if North Korea annihilated South Korea. I really don't care. Do you? I'm not saying this as a troll but would you really give up your life for a bunch of ungrateful Koreans? From what I've read they seem like a bunch of lazy over priviliged assholes who want everyone (see white people) to give up their lives to keep their asses (money, wealth) safe. F*ck 'em. It's time North Americans starting looking after our own countries. We get dragged into these wars for a bunch of people who would prefer us as chatel slaves, we get killed, they get rich. Forget it. I wouldn't go to war to save South Korea. Let North Korea have it. This isn't 1950 and the world has changed since the bad of days of spreading communisim.

So... Fark 'em Gangnam style?
Seriously though, if North Korea wipes out South Korea, we would probably be next on the list. That's a good enough reason to not let it happen.

Why? What would be the purpose? I can see how punk ass Kim Jong-Un would have a hardon to attack and put Korea back together, where his daddy and grandpa failed, but why attack the United States if they don't intervene?

Keep asking myself what Karl Marx said in Das Kapital - Who does it benefit?


I agree with you completely, but keep in mind we're probably not dealing with a sane and rational guy. He's been threatening to nuke us for awhile now, for whatever reason. He may be crazy enough to try it. I'm not worried, I don't think he will, I think he's just big-stuffin' it to impress his people. But you never know.
 
2013-04-11 01:40:44 AM  

Abacus9: Keep asking myself what Karl Marx said in Das Kapital - Who does it benefit?


"Wem"

FTFY
 
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