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Diogenes		2013-04-09 10:39:25 AM

You think gunts are in good taste, subs?

timujin		2013-04-09 11:52:13 AM

you don't see Spanx, do you? How are they in bad taste?

/dnrtfa

waterrockets		2013-04-09 11:53:11 AM

I think deception is in bad taste.

/not subby

theorellior		2013-04-09 11:53:24 AM

Diogenes: You think gunts are in good taste, subs?

Leave the gunts, take the Spanx.

FarkinHostile		2013-04-09 11:54:10 AM

"That is not her natural hair color or length.
Those are not her real fingernails.
She doesn't look like that after a shower and she washes off her makeup.
Shes lied to you three times before you even spoke."

But that IS her gut that was hidden under that elastic fabric, so make it 4 lies.

The person who invented spanx should be shot in the head. Twice now I have been unpleasantly surprised by the lie.

Loaf's Tray		2013-04-09 11:56:16 AM

timujin: you don't see Spanx, do you? How are they in bad taste?

/dnrtfa

He means they literally taste bad, and he's not wrong...

timujin		2013-04-09 11:59:34 AM

Loaf's Tray: timujin: you don't see Spanx, do you? How are they in bad taste?

/dnrtfa

He means they literally taste bad, and he's not wrong...

I haven't tried to eat my way through a pair, yet, but there's still time

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 12:03:40 PM

"I hope she's ready for war," Thomson told Women's Wear Daily last month in reference to Blakely.

It might be an interesting one... Thomson has several design patents, but Blakely has a couple utility patents that may be an issue for Thomson, too.

DigitalCoffee		2013-04-09 12:03:52 PM

Never heard of either brand. Hope they both lose.

/Spanx? More like Skanx.

jfivealive		2013-04-09 12:07:09 PM

Dear douche who wrote that article:

When reporting on such a subject as patent infringement with regards to tangible items, you may want to include images of both types of items in the article. You could even place these items side by side so the reader could form their own opinion on whether the lawsuit had merit or was frivolous. Way to suck ass fark face.

Chainsaw Turd Elf		2013-04-09 12:10:22 PM

Spanx are the reason it takes a good 10 minutes for her to pull everything backup after using the restroom.

BraveNewCheneyWorld		2013-04-09 12:11:55 PM

FarkinHostile: The person who invented spanx should be shot in the head. Twice now I have been unpleasantly surprised by the lie.

The real question is.."did it stop you?"

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 12:12:55 PM

FIG. 1s from two of the design patents
2.bp.blogspot.com

Accused Spanx

fozziewazzi		2013-04-09 12:14:42 PM

jfivealive		2013-04-09 12:16:11 PM

fozziewazzi: FarkinHostile: "That is not her natural hair color or length.
Those are not her real fingernails.
She doesn't look like that after a shower and she washes off her makeup.
Shes lied to you three times before you even spoke."

But that IS her gut that was hidden under that elastic fabric, so make it 4 lies.

The person who invented spanx should be shot in the head. Twice now I have been unpleasantly surprised by the lie.

But it's horrible when a guy lies about what he does for a living.

I'm a french model

DeltaPunch		2013-04-09 12:19:50 PM

Does anyone remember that video of two guys singing about how much they love fat chicks with gunts? It was hysterical, done in a rap video format.... I'm totally coming up dry on google here.

A cookie to whoever can deliver!

MyKingdomForYourHorse		2013-04-09 12:21:57 PM

FarkinHostile: But that IS her gut that was hidden under that elastic fabric, so make it 4 lies.

This is what turning off the lights and doggystyle are made for

FarkinHostile		2013-04-09 12:24:34 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: FarkinHostile: The person who invented spanx should be shot in the head. Twice now I have been unpleasantly surprised by the lie.

The real question is.."did it stop you?"

Of course not. I am a man, after all. Still, the relationship had a limit at that point.

fozziewazzi: But it's horrible when a guy lies about what he does for a living.

It's horrible when anyone lies, but it seems women are the natural experts at it. Granted, my opinion is biased by being a straight man, but like I pointed out, deception is common with women in regards to appearance.

/Do guys really lie about that?

FarkinHostile		2013-04-09 12:26:50 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: FarkinHostile: But that IS her gut that was hidden under that elastic fabric, so make it 4 lies.

This is what turning off the lights and doggystyle are made for

Till you're fondling what you think is a tit, and realize it doesn't have a nipple, and is located much lower than where it should be.

That is what watching porn during is for.

sjmcc13		2013-04-09 12:29:31 PM

Why do I get the feeling someone is trying to copy apple and filing a suit over an "infringement" that is actually a forced choices and probably over something that existed before the design "patented".

MyKingdomForYourHorse		2013-04-09 12:30:19 PM

FarkinHostile: Till you're fondling what you think is a tit, and realize it doesn't have a nipple, and is located much lower than where it should be.

That is what watching porn during is for.

I go with the Nip Tuck methodology. Paper bag, lights off, and like driving my hands remain at ten and two

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 12:31:18 PM

sjmcc13: Why do I get the feeling someone is trying to copy apple and filing a suit over an "infringement" that is actually a forced choices and probably over something that existed before the design "patented".

Probably because you didn't read much about the Apple-Samsung suit except what you saw here on Fark, and ignored anything that didn't fit with your preconceived notions about it?

The Stealth Hippopotamus		2013-04-09 12:33:14 PM

spandex can be a good thing.

True more often than not it isn't

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 12:35:15 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: spandex can be a good thing.

[img688.imageshack.us image 274x700]

Loose spandex somewhat defeats the purpose, though.

rikkitikkitavi		2013-04-09 12:36:27 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: I go with the Nip Tuck methodology. Paper bag, lights off, and like driving my hands remain at ten and two

FYI, the new driver's ed rule is "8 and 4".

/ have a teen driver.
// family dining has a new DD

theorellior		2013-04-09 12:41:25 PM

rikkitikkitavi: FYI, the new driver's ed rule is "8 and 4".

Yup, 2 and 10 makes you smack yourself in the face when the airbag goes off.

Teiritzamna		2013-04-09 12:43:39 PM

Theaetetus: jfivealive: Dear douche who wrote that article:

When reporting on such a subject as patent infringement with regards to tangible items, you may want to include images of both types of items in the article. You could even place these items side by side so the reader could form their own opinion on whether the lawsuit had merit or was frivolous. Way to suck ass fark face.

[media4.s-nbcnews.com image 260x195]

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x240]
FIG. 1s from two of the design patents
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x177] [www.signature9.com image 700x440]
Accused Spanx

I need to get into the generic underwear lawyering business.

bagumpity		2013-04-09 12:46:31 PM

jfivealive: fozziewazzi: FarkinHostile: "That is not her natural hair color or length.
Those are not her real fingernails.
She doesn't look like that after a shower and she washes off her makeup.
Shes lied to you three times before you even spoke."

But that IS her gut that was hidden under that elastic fabric, so make it 4 lies.

The person who invented spanx should be shot in the head. Twice now I have been unpleasantly surprised by the lie.

But it's horrible when a guy lies about what he does for a living.

I'm a french model

Ban jower.

abhorrent1		2013-04-09 12:47:57 PM

How'bout you do some some situps instead of hiding your fat gunt. it's false advertising!

/off to the gym

Your Boss		2013-04-09 12:50:01 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: spandex can be a good thing.

[img688.imageshack.us image 274x700]

True more often than not it isn't

Yeah, but what's with her carpet??? Yikes!

sjmcc13		2013-04-09 12:50:28 PM

Theaetetus: sjmcc13: Why do I get the feeling someone is trying to copy apple and filing a suit over an "infringement" that is actually a forced choices and probably over something that existed before the design "patented".

Probably because you didn't read much about the Apple-Samsung suit except what you saw here on Fark, and ignored anything that didn't fit with your preconceived notions about it?

No, I read more. I just understand the stuff well enough to notice that a lot of apples patents should never have been issued. Many of the things apple was listing off in the design patents suits were things that came from merging a cell phone and a PDA (which is all an iPhone is, and that is NOT something apple cameup with). or were functionally necessary and/or forced choices.

tillerman35		2013-04-09 12:50:35 PM

FarkinHostile: "That is not her natural hair color or length.
Those are not her real fingernails.
She doesn't look like that after a shower and she washes off her makeup.
Shes lied to you three times before you even spoke."

I'm married to a woman who's at her most gorgeous when she wakes up, no makeup on, hair all wild and sexy, and best of all, next to me. All that other crap is totally unnecessary.

Iceman_Cometh		2013-04-09 12:52:28 PM

Your Boss: The Stealth Hippopotamus: spandex can be a good thing.

[img688.imageshack.us image 274x700]

True more often than not it isn't

Yeah, but what's with her carpet??? Yikes!

How can you see her car... oh that carpet.

Your Boss		2013-04-09 12:52:40 PM

tillerman35: FarkinHostile: "That is not her natural hair color or length.
Those are not her real fingernails.
She doesn't look like that after a shower and she washes off her makeup.
Shes lied to you three times before you even spoke."

I'm married to a woman who's at her most gorgeous when she wakes up, no makeup on, hair all wild and sexy, and best of all, next to me. All that other crap is totally unnecessary.

...and she's looking over his shoulder right now...
/obvious

FirstNationalBastard		2013-04-09 12:55:20 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: spandex can be a good thing.

[img688.imageshack.us image 274x700]

True more often than not it isn't

I respect a broad who can pull off a good Mayday Parker, and I generally hate cosplayers.

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 12:58:44 PM

sjmcc13: No, I read more. I just understand the stuff well enough to notice that a lot of apples patents should never have been issued. Many of the things apple was listing off in the design patents suits were things that came from merging a cell phone and a PDA (which is all an iPhone is, and that is NOT something apple cameup with). or were functionally necessary and/or forced choices.

If they were functionally necessary and/or forced choices, then by definition, Samsung couldn't have made non-infringing smart phones and tablets, such the Galaxy Tab 10.1N, which doesn't infringe, or this sucker:
2.bp.blogspot.com

fozziewazzi		2013-04-09 01:11:33 PM

FarkinHostile: BraveNewCheneyWorld: FarkinHostile: The person who invented spanx should be shot in the head. Twice now I have been unpleasantly surprised by the lie.

The real question is.."did it stop you?"

Of course not. I am a man, after all. Still, the relationship had a limit at that point.

fozziewazzi: But it's horrible when a guy lies about what he does for a living.

It's horrible when anyone lies, but it seems women are the natural experts at it. Granted, my opinion is biased by being a straight man, but like I pointed out, deception is common with women in regards to appearance.

/Do guys really lie about that?

Go to any club and try to overhear the conversations as guys try to hook up. You won't find any retail check-out clerks, insurance claims agents or unemployed men. But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works.

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 01:15:19 PM

fozziewazzi: But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because ~~when you're trying to pick up women, it works~~ we haven't yet implemented laws that say that fraudulently obtained consent to sex does not count.

FTFY.

Honestly, though, if you're so boring that you have no external interests to point to and have to fall back on work, and then your work is so lame that you have to lie about that, you probably shouldn't be in the dating pool anyway.

WinoRhino		2013-04-09 01:19:26 PM

opiumpoopy		2013-04-09 01:20:34 PM

FarkinHostile		2013-04-09 01:22:06 PM

fozziewazzi: Go to any club...

No.

I'll take your word for it.

opiumpoopy		2013-04-09 01:22:40 PM

rikkitikkitavi: MyKingdomForYourHorse: I go with the Nip Tuck methodology. Paper bag, lights off, and like driving my hands remain at ten and two

FYI, the new driver's ed rule is "8 and 4".

/ have a teen driver.
// family dining has a new DD

????

Gotta keep your hands close to the 20oz soda in case of emergencies??

FarkinHostile		2013-04-09 01:23:59 PM

FirstNationalBastard		2013-04-09 01:27:29 PM

opiumpoopy: rikkitikkitavi: MyKingdomForYourHorse: I go with the Nip Tuck methodology. Paper bag, lights off, and like driving my hands remain at ten and two

FYI, the new driver's ed rule is "8 and 4".

/ have a teen driver.
// family dining has a new DD

????

Gotta keep your hands close to the 20oz soda in case of emergencies??

Well, honestly, it is more comfortable, and probably less fatiguing in the long run.

I mean, at 10 and 2, your arms are extended, raised, and locked for the entire time you're driving. At the bottom of the wheel, you're a bit more relaxed.

Of course, in looking it up, a major reason for the change seems to be that with hands at 10 and 2, an airbag will majorly fark your arms and hands up in a crash.

fozziewazzi		2013-04-09 01:29:34 PM

Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works we haven't yet implemented laws that say that fraudulently obtained consent to sex does not count.

FTFY.

Honestly, though, if you're so boring that you have no external interests to point to and have to fall back on work, and then your work is so lame that you have to lie about that, you probably shouldn't be in the dating pool anyway.

Why is the onus on men? If women weren't so caught up in what men do, what they earn and how much they own, men wouldn't have to lie.

And if men weren't so obsessed with how a woman looks above all else, they wouldn't need spanx, push-up bras and half a pound of make-up.

But that's not the reality and never has been. So men and women play the game.

sjmcc13		2013-04-09 01:30:16 PM

Theaetetus: sjmcc13: No, I read more. I just understand the stuff well enough to notice that a lot of apples patents should never have been issued. Many of the things apple was listing off in the design patents suits were things that came from merging a cell phone and a PDA (which is all an iPhone is, and that is NOT something apple cameup with). or were functionally necessary and/or forced choices.

If they were functionally necessary and/or forced choices, then by definition, Samsung couldn't have made non-infringing smart phones and tablets, such the Galaxy Tab 10.1N, which doesn't infringe, or this sucker:
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 450x362]

They are making different designs because different people want different options. If they want to market to all demographics they have to design phones for each demographic. This is the same thing in pretty much every industry.

To a fair number of people that phone would not be desirable since the slideout keypad is only a benefit to those who need physical keys, and is a flaw to to many others as it it an extra point where the phone can and will break due to it creating a structural weak point.

The problem is that apple is trying to claim all the design space for what certain demographics will want as their own.

Your example is akin to looking at a car company and saying this 2 seat sports card is obviously copying my 2 seat sports car, and the other guy obviously chose to copy me since he also makes a 4 seat family car. you are trying to justify something as being true, but it relies on the system not being broken, and unfortunatly it is F-ing broken as all hell. and the people makign mone of it do not want to change it.

The same thing happens in software when someone claims another guy stole their program, because they both do the same thing in similar ways, but then it turn out that both based their work on the same text books/ papers, and the similarities are almost all things that came from the shared source material.

The problem with the tech industry patents suits is that the only people who are actually qualified to judge them are the academics who are teaching and grading the base material, sinc they are the ones who are aware of just how similiar indipendently developed code/circuits/etc can be when you just give someone a problem description to solve. The vase majority of these patent suits are cases that should be thrown out since they rely on the system not working in the first place.

Mega Steve		2013-04-09 01:30:56 PM

FarkinHostile: Please tell me you're not advocating making lying to get laid as Rape.

Good thing I really AM a neurosurgeon cowboy astronaut who rescues puppies and orphans on the weekends. I even have a card that says so.

Marcus Aurelius		2013-04-09 01:31:00 PM

FarkinHostile: Twice now I have been unpleasantly surprised by the lie

How much can you hide in one of those things? Volume can only be redistributed.

fozziewazzi		2013-04-09 01:35:12 PM

Mega Steve: FarkinHostile: Please tell me you're not advocating making lying to get laid as Rape.

Good thing I really AM a neurosurgeon cowboy astronaut who rescues puppies and orphans on the weekends. I even have a card that says so.

Be sure to mention that you have a large family inheritance coming but you've chosen to set that aside for now to focus on things that really matter.

FarkinHostile		2013-04-09 01:38:11 PM

Marcus Aurelius: FarkinHostile: Twice now I have been unpleasantly surprised by the lie

How much can you hide in one of those things? Volume can only be redistributed.

Quite a bit, especially when it's redistributed to make them look "Curvy" when they are just "Fat".

Big and curvy I can work with. Fat? Not so much.

MyKingdomForYourHorse		2013-04-09 01:39:49 PM

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 01:41:35 PM

sjmcc13: Theaetetus: sjmcc13: No, I read more. I just understand the stuff well enough to notice that a lot of apples patents should never have been issued. Many of the things apple was listing off in the design patents suits were things that came from merging a cell phone and a PDA (which is all an iPhone is, and that is NOT something apple cameup with). or were functionally necessary and/or forced choices.

If they were functionally necessary and/or forced choices, then by definition, Samsung couldn't have made non-infringing smart phones and tablets, such the Galaxy Tab 10.1N, which doesn't infringe, or this sucker:
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 450x362]

They are making different designs because different people want different options. If they want to market to all demographics they have to design phones for each demographic. This is the same thing in pretty much every industry.

But that can't be true, since you said that those design options were functionally necessary or forced. An option is functionally necessary if it can't be changed without impairing function, but you say that people want different options, so unless there are people who want broken phones, then those can't be "functionally necessary" options.

To a fair number of people that phone would not be desirable since the slideout keypad is only a benefit to those who need physical keys, and is a flaw to to many others as it it an extra point where the phone can and will break due to it creating a structural weak point.

Sure. But hence it's not a functional necessity, and just a design choice.

The problem is that apple is trying to claim all the design space for what certain demographics will want as their own.

I think Samsung's sales of the N1 would disagree with that.

Your example is akin to looking at a car company and saying this 2 seat sports card is obviously copying my 2 seat sports car, and the other guy obviously chose to copy me since he also makes a 4 seat family car. you are trying to justify something as being true, but it relies on the system not being broken, and unfortunatly it is F-ing broken as all hell. and the people makign mone of it do not want to change it.

Not at all - the Galaxy Tab 10.1N differs from the 10.1 only in that the bezel wraps around rather than being flush. This is akin to having a 2 seat sports car with oval headlights vs. one with with square headlights. Neither is "broken", and people may legitimately prefer one design over the other.

The same thing happens in software when someone claims another guy stole their program, because they both do the same thing in similar ways, but then it turn out that both based their work on the same text books/ papers, and the similarities are almost all things that came from the shared source material.

That's a different issue, since you're no longer talking about designs or functionality. Instead, now you're talking about derivation and (by analogy) prior art, which is a whole 'nother argument.

The problem with the tech industry patents suits is that the only people who are actually qualified to judge them are the academics who are teaching and grading the base material, sinc they are the ones who are aware of just how similiar indipendently developed code/circuits/etc can be when you just give someone a problem description to solve. The vase majority of these patent suits are cases that should be thrown out since they rely on the system not working in the first place.

Those same academics serve as experts in the patent suits. And again, you're no longer talking about design patents - the design of Apple's iPhone doesn't rely on phones not working before their design existed.

ReverendJynxed		2013-04-09 01:42:39 PM

Youngest self made female billionaire is a thief? Who knew?

ManRay		2013-04-09 01:43:17 PM

I am just stunned that Spanx has a value of over $1 billion. Props to the founder for her marketing and hard work, but it's such an obvious idea.

BitwiseShift		2013-04-09 01:43:24 PM

If only I'd thought of patent trolling first, I wouldn't have to get up so early, and go outside in the cold to picket dead people's memorials. And probably make more money too.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 01:45:17 PM

FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works we haven't yet implemented laws that say that fraudulently obtained consent to sex does not count.

FTFY.

Please tell me you're not advocating making lying to get laid as Rape.

I can see cases where it's reasonable. If you intentionally deceive someone, knowing that they would not consent to sex with you had they known the truth, that seems pretty despicable. Also, Tennessee and California both have rape by fraud statutes.

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men		2013-04-09 01:47:34 PM

Another Article:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100553627

Looks like Yummie Tummie designed their product in 2008 and patented it in 2009 with a design patent (not utility). Spanx designed theirs in 2005 and are now suing Yummie Tummie in a counter suit.

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 01:49:09 PM

ManRay: I am just stunned that Spanx has a value of over $1 billion. Props to the founder for her marketing and hard work, but it's such an obvious idea.

You'd think that, if you think it's just "underwear" or "spandex support garment", but the real innovation comes in how its formed in a seamless manner with specific direction fabric in certain portions. They really were a big jump over your grandmother's support garments.

ReverendJynxed		2013-04-09 01:49:45 PM

fozziewazzi: Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works we haven't yet implemented laws that say that fraudulently obtained consent to sex does not count.

FTFY.

Honestly, though, if you're so boring that you have no external interests to point to and have to fall back on work, and then your work is so lame that you have to lie about that, you probably shouldn't be in the dating pool anyway.

Why is the onus on men? If women weren't so caught up in what men do, what they earn and how much they own, men wouldn't have to lie.

And if men weren't so obsessed with how a woman looks above all else, they wouldn't need spanx, push-up bras and half a pound of make-up.

But that's not the reality and never has been. So men and women play the game.

We aren't. They just assume we are and won't shut up long enough for us to tell them so.

fozziewazzi		2013-04-09 01:50:20 PM

Theaetetus: FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works we haven't yet implemented laws that say that fraudulently obtained consent to sex does not count.

FTFY.

Please tell me you're not advocating making lying to get laid as Rape.

I can see cases where it's reasonable. If you intentionally deceive someone, knowing that they would not consent to sex with you had they known the truth, that seems pretty despicable. Also, Tennessee and California both have rape by fraud statutes.

I would love to hear more about this. Is there an actual case? If every man that lied to get laid was found guilty of rape, the jails would be packed.

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 01:51:40 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Another Article:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100553627

Looks like Yummie Tummie designed their product in 2008 and patented it in 2009 with a design patent (not utility). Spanx designed theirs in 2005 and are now suing Yummie Tummie in a counter suit.

Although, interestingly, it doesn't look like Spanx are asking for declaratory judgement that the patents are invalid, just that they don't infringe because of "significant differences".

RatOmeter		2013-04-09 01:51:43 PM

I find this interesting because I'm led to believe that in the fashion industry there has always been a lot of "borrowing" going on. Designer X comes out with some new dress design and designer Y comes out with something similar the next season. In the meantime, designer X gets more "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" cred and moves on to their next design.

Is this patent stuff new to fashion or what?

fireclown		2013-04-09 01:52:06 PM

someone say spandex?

dv-ous		2013-04-09 01:54:16 PM

Marcus Aurelius: FarkinHostile: Twice now I have been unpleasantly surprised by the lie

How much can you hide in one of those things? Volume can only be redistributed.

You know how, when you suck your gut in, your chest expands and you can't breathe as deeply?

You know how men like it when women with big chests get short of breath?

Seriously, though - I've never worn them, but it looks like they wouldn't be sturdy enough to function like an honest to goodness corset. (If you were sucking it in, you'd still have to remember to use your abdominal muscles) but it would serve to smooth out one's appearance - turning a muffin-top into a smooth, linear, if slightly thicker profile.

It would probably also be helpful with post-pregnancy loose skin.

Compression garments also help reduce swelling after lipo. I wonder if these can be used that way?

wildcardjack		2013-04-09 01:55:55 PM

It's like Hanes suing FTL for making similar styles of underwear.

Only in this case one of the companies has a name that ruined their chances at success. Spanx is a unique name that works better than Yummy Tummy. Yummy Tummy is more like what you'd put on a antacid or BBW porn. You've had 13 years to bring up this "patent" of questionable legitimacy, as fashion designers churn the market for just the reason they cannot copyright their designs. They will, however, come after you with knives if you mimic a logo or initials.

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 01:56:44 PM

fozziewazzi: Theaetetus: FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works we haven't yet implemented laws that say that fraudulently obtained consent to sex does not count.

FTFY.

Please tell me you're not advocating making lying to get laid as Rape.

I can see cases where it's reasonable. If you intentionally deceive someone, knowing that they would not consent to sex with you had they known the truth, that seems pretty despicable. Also, Tennessee and California both have rape by fraud statutes.

I would love to hear more about this. Is there an actual case? If every man that lied to get laid was found guilty of rape, the jails would be packed.

Hey, 30 years ago in most states, raping your spouse wasn't a crime. Times change. Maybe men shouldn't be lying to get laid.

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 02:02:14 PM

RatOmeter: I find this interesting because I'm led to believe that in the fashion industry there has always been a lot of "borrowing" going on. Designer X comes out with some new dress design and designer Y comes out with something similar the next season. In the meantime, designer X gets more "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" cred and moves on to their next design.

Is this patent stuff new to fashion or what?

Somewhat... It's becoming more prevalent as a result of a Federal Circuit decision on design patents a few years back. Utility patents on clothing are difficult, because it's tough to come up with a new technical innovation, though there are some. Design patents are more like trade dress and focus on look and feel, though (but they still have to be new), so it's a bit easier.
Also, fashion moves really quickly - if it takes 3-5 years to get a patent, it better be on something really major, rather than just styles from 2008.

wildcardjack: You've had 13 years to bring up this "patent" of questionable legitimacy, as fashion designers churn the market for just the reason they cannot copyright their designs. They will, however, come after you with knives if you mimic a logo or initials.

The patent was from 2008. It's been 5 years.

ProfessorOhki		2013-04-09 02:02:36 PM

I would have thought such a patent was originally held by a sausage casing company.

FarkinHostile		2013-04-09 02:03:04 PM

Theaetetus: FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works we haven't yet implemented laws that say that fraudulently obtained consent to sex does not count.

FTFY.

Please tell me you're not advocating making lying to get laid as Rape.

I can see cases where it's reasonable. If you intentionally deceive someone, knowing that they would not consent to sex with you had they known the truth, that seems pretty despicable. Also, Tennessee and California both have rape by fraud statutes.

Well, I'll say one thing: You're consistent.

Ridiculous, but consistant.

Teiritzamna		2013-04-09 02:04:30 PM

fozziewazzi: I would love to hear more about this. Is there an actual case? If every man that lied to get laid was found guilty of rape, the jails would be packed.

The ones i know of tend to involve instances of medical fraud - i.e a "doctor" tells a gullible and sick individual that the sex if for thier health, or that they will be inserting a device but it is in fact mister happy. See, e.g., People v. Minkowski, 204 Cal. App. 2d 832 (1962).

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 02:04:52 PM

FarkinHostile: Well, I'll say one thing: You're consistent.

Ridiculous, but consistant.

ಠ_ಠ

tricycleracer		2013-04-09 02:05:24 PM

Theaetetus: Maybe men shouldn't be lying to get laid.

"Hello, attractive woman. I race cars."

"I conditionally consent to intercourse with you, racer-guy."

*The next morning she finds out you race go-karts*

"I'm filing rape charges."

FarkinHostile		2013-04-09 02:06:03 PM

Theaetetus: FarkinHostile: Well, I'll say one thing: You're consistent.

Ridiculous, but consistant.

ಠ_ಠ

Take it as a complement.

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 02:06:28 PM

Teiritzamna: fozziewazzi: I would love to hear more about this. Is there an actual case? If every man that lied to get laid was found guilty of rape, the jails would be packed.

The ones i know of tend to involve instances of medical fraud - i.e a "doctor" tells a gullible and sick individual that the sex if for thier health, or that they will be inserting a device but it is in fact mister happy. See, e.g., People v. Minkowski, 204 Cal. App. 2d 832 (1962).

There was also a Massachusetts case that got dismissed (because we don't have a rape by fraud statute), in which a guy snuck into his brother's wife's room and cozied up to her like he was the husband, slipped it in, and then she looked up and saw it was him and freaked out.

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 02:07:49 PM

tricycleracer: Theaetetus: Maybe men shouldn't be lying to get laid.

"Hello, attractive woman. I race cars."

"I conditionally consent to intercourse with you, racer-guy."

"Huh. That's an odd answer that should give me reason to pause and reflect... You 'conditionally consent', so not fully and without reservation? Y'know, I'mma go talk to that woman instead."

FarkinHostile		2013-04-09 02:08:55 PM

tricycleracer: Theaetetus: Maybe men shouldn't be lying to get laid.

"Hello, attractive woman. I race cars."

"I conditionally consent to intercourse with you, racer-guy."

*The next morning she finds out you race go-karts*

"I'm filing rape charges."

I prefer:

Meet hot looking chick at bar, take her home, wake up in the morning next to a hose beast, file rape charges.

FirstNationalBastard		2013-04-09 02:09:13 PM

tricycleracer: Theaetetus: Maybe men shouldn't be lying to get laid.

"Hello, attractive woman. I race cars."

"I conditionally consent to intercourse with you, racer-guy."

*The next morning she finds out you race go-karts*

"I'm filing rape charges."

That is such bullshiat.

In reality, she wouldn't even need reasons that logical to file rape charges.

ReverendJynxed		2013-04-09 02:09:46 PM

Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: Theaetetus: FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works we haven't yet implemented laws that say that fraudulently obtained consent to sex does not count.

FTFY.

Please tell me you're not advocating making lying to get laid as Rape.

I can see cases where it's reasonable. If you intentionally deceive someone, knowing that they would not consent to sex with you had they known the truth, that seems pretty despicable. Also, Tennessee and California both have rape by fraud statutes.

I would love to hear more about this. Is there an actual case? If every man that lied to get laid was found guilty of rape, the jails would be packed.

Hey, 30 years ago in most states, raping your spouse wasn't a crime. Times change. Maybe women shouldn't be lying to get laid.

FTFY

It goes both ways dickhole.

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 02:11:00 PM

ReverendJynxed: Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: Theaetetus: FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works we haven't yet implemented laws that say that fraudulently obtained consent to sex does not count.

FTFY.

Please tell me you're not advocating making lying to get laid as Rape.

I can see cases where it's reasonable. If you intentionally deceive someone, knowing that they would not consent to sex with you had they known the truth, that seems pretty despicable. Also, Tennessee and California both have rape by fraud statutes.

I would love to hear more about this. Is there an actual case? If every man that lied to get laid was found guilty of rape, the jails would be packed.

Hey, 30 years ago in most states, raping your spouse wasn't a crime. Times change. Maybe men andwomen shouldn't be lying to get laid.

FTFY

It goes both ways dickhole.

FTFY. It goes both ways, hypocrite.

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men		2013-04-09 02:13:00 PM

@ Theaetetus

Patent law question - if someone patents something and then just sits on the patent for years on end without using or enforcing it, and during that time other companies (knowingly or not) implement the technology covered by the patent into widely used products - can the patent holder wait for their tech to become standard before letting everyone know they own the patent?

FirstNationalBastard		2013-04-09 02:13:05 PM

Theaetetus: ReverendJynxed: Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: Theaetetus: FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works we haven't yet implemented laws that say that fraudulently obtained consent to sex does not count.

FTFY.

Please tell me you're not advocating making lying to get laid as Rape.

I can see cases where it's reasonable. If you intentionally deceive someone, knowing that they would not consent to sex with you had they known the truth, that seems pretty despicable. Also, Tennessee and California both have rape by fraud statutes.

I would love to hear more about this. Is there an actual case? If every man that lied to get laid was found guilty of rape, the jails would be packed.

Hey, 30 years ago in most states, raping your spouse wasn't a crime. Times change. Maybe men andwomen shouldn't be lying to get laid.

FTFY

It goes both ways dickhole.

FTFY. It goes both ways, hypocrite.

Okay, that's a correction we an all agree on.

Of course, if people quit lying, no one would get laid except the wealthy and/or attractive, and humanity would quickly start to die out.

...This "no lying" policy may not be such a bad thing after all.

ProfessorOhki		2013-04-09 02:14:45 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: spandex can be a good thing.

[img688.imageshack.us image 274x700]

True more often than not it isn't

At least someone is making full use of the thread.

tricycleracer		2013-04-09 02:17:07 PM

Theaetetus: tricycleracer: Theaetetus: Maybe men shouldn't be lying to get laid.

"Hello, attractive woman. I race cars."

"I conditionally consent to intercourse with you, racer-guy."

"Huh. That's an odd answer that should give me reason to pause and reflect... You 'conditionally consent', so not fully and without reservation? Y'know, I'mma go talk to that woman instead."

All consent is conditional. She might come home with you and see all your Star Wars toys and leave.

PsyLord		2013-04-09 02:17:25 PM

Sounds like someone got their panties in a bunch...

ProfessorOhki		2013-04-09 02:17:28 PM

fozziewazzi		2013-04-09 02:19:29 PM

Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: Theaetetus: FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works we haven't yet implemented laws that say that fraudulently obtained consent to sex does not count.

FTFY.

Please tell me you're not advocating making lying to get laid as Rape.

I can see cases where it's reasonable. If you intentionally deceive someone, knowing that they would not consent to sex with you had they known the truth, that seems pretty despicable. Also, Tennessee and California both have rape by fraud statutes.

I would love to hear more about this. Is there an actual case? If every man that lied to get laid was found guilty of rape, the jails would be packed.

Hey, 30 years ago in most states, raping your spouse wasn't a crime. Times change. Maybe men shouldn't be lying to get laid.

And maybe women shouldn't be wearing body-shaping underwear to entice men to spend time and money on them? And obese women that have lost a ton of weight and is maintaining it on a near starvation diet should disclose that before it gets really serious? Deception works both ways.

FarkinHostile		2013-04-09 02:22:11 PM

fozziewazzi: And maybe women shouldn't be wearing body-shaping underwear to entice men to spend time and money on them?

Spanx is rape.

/Survivor

ReverendJynxed		2013-04-09 02:25:28 PM

Theaetetus: ReverendJynxed: Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: Theaetetus: FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works we haven't yet implemented laws that say that fraudulently obtained consent to sex does not count.

FTFY.

Please tell me you're not advocating making lying to get laid as Rape.

I can see cases where it's reasonable. If you intentionally deceive someone, knowing that they would not consent to sex with you had they known the truth, that seems pretty despicable. Also, Tennessee and California both have rape by fraud statutes.

I would love to hear more about this. Is there an actual case? If every man that lied to get laid was found guilty of rape, the jails would be packed.

Hey, 30 years ago in most states, raping your spouse wasn't a crime. Times change. Maybe men andwomen shouldn't be lying to get laid.

FTFY

It goes both ways dickhole.

FTFY. It goes both ways, hypocrite.

Not hardly, I added the WO and left your original. Non-correction to a correction. Nice try but you still fail coont.

ReverendJynxed		2013-04-09 02:29:40 PM

Brian Ryanberger		2013-04-09 02:32:16 PM

If Spanx are outlawed, how will obese divorcees get their free dinners?

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 02:37:41 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: @ Theaetetus

Patent law question - if someone patents something and then just sits on the patent for years on end without using or enforcing it, and during that time other companies (knowingly or not) implement the technology covered by the patent into widely used products - can the patent holder wait for their tech to become standard before letting everyone know they own the patent?

Yes and no... Unlike trademarks, there's no requirement that you police your patent. So, yes, they can wait and then pop up with the patent.
... however, the laches doctrine applies: if you sit on the patent for a long time or delay prosecution, then you can lose the ability to enforce the patent.
So, yes and no - the distinction lies in whether the patent owner was diligent in prosecuting the patent, and whether they acted in a reasonably quick time when they found out about the other companies. You can't say "oh, ho, I've got this patent that covers YouTube... I'll wait until they're the biggest, richest company out there, and then sue them for damages all the way back to when they started." You can, however, say, "holy shiat, my patent covers YouTube? I didn't realize that until just now. I better call them."

fozziewazzi		2013-04-09 02:39:06 PM

FarkinHostile: fozziewazzi: And maybe women shouldn't be wearing body-shaping underwear to entice men to spend time and money on them?

Spanx is rape.

/Survivor

I feel for you. My brother is a survivor. Whenever he tells the story he has that PTSD thousand-yard stare as if he's reliving the horror again.

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 02:40:28 PM

tricycleracer: Theaetetus: tricycleracer: Theaetetus: Maybe men shouldn't be lying to get laid.

"Hello, attractive woman. I race cars."

"I conditionally consent to intercourse with you, racer-guy."

"Huh. That's an odd answer that should give me reason to pause and reflect... You 'conditionally consent', so not fully and without reservation? Y'know, I'mma go talk to that woman instead."

All consent is conditional. She might come home with you and see all your Star Wars toys and leave.

Yeah, and if you stop her from leaving and rape her anyway, you can't claim "but she came home with me" as your defense.

MyKingdomForYourHorse		2013-04-09 02:43:15 PM

Brian Ryanberger: If Spanx are outlawed, how will obese divorcees get their free dinners?

Sucking cock in the alley way after last call, like nature intended itself.

Why do you think Taco Bell has fourth meal?

tricycleracer		2013-04-09 02:46:34 PM

Theaetetus: tricycleracer: Theaetetus: tricycleracer: Theaetetus: Maybe men shouldn't be lying to get laid.

"Hello, attractive woman. I race cars."

"I conditionally consent to intercourse with you, racer-guy."

"Huh. That's an odd answer that should give me reason to pause and reflect... You 'conditionally consent', so not fully and without reservation? Y'know, I'mma go talk to that woman instead."

All consent is conditional. She might come home with you and see all your Star Wars toys and leave.

Yeah, and if you stop her from leaving and rape her anyway, you can't claim "but she came home with me" as your defense.

Well, duh.

What I don't agree with is having a rape charge filed against me because she checks IMDB in the morning and finds out I wasn't Matt Damon's stunt double in the Bourne movies.

waterrockets		2013-04-09 02:46:44 PM

fozziewazzi: Go to any club and try to overhear the conversations as guys try to hook up. You won't find any retail check-out clerks, insurance claims agents or unemployed men. But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works.

I had no issues whatsoever with the honest retail answer. Most guys are just pussies, so it's going to take a lot of deception to prevent the woman from discovering her upcoming team change.

MadAzza		2013-04-09 02:46:51 PM

jfivealive: Dear douche who wrote that article:

When reporting on such a subject as patent infringement with regards to tangible items, you may want to include images of both types of items in the article. You could even place these items side by side so the reader could form their own opinion on whether the lawsuit had merit or was frivolous. Way to suck ass fark face.

Dear dumbass Farker,

Reporters don't do page design, page layout, or, for that matter, write headlines. They don't take photos (well, these days they might, due to cheapass employers), they don't decide if photos will run with the story, and they don't decide where any photos will be placed.

Jack's Smirking Revenge		2013-04-09 02:50:03 PM

Tsar_Bomba1		2013-04-09 02:50:50 PM

ProfessorOhki		2013-04-09 02:51:57 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: [www.8thcivic.com image 483x620]

Is that... six water marks?

fozziewazzi		2013-04-09 03:06:23 PM

tricycleracer: Theaetetus: tricycleracer: Theaetetus: tricycleracer: Theaetetus: Maybe men shouldn't be lying to get laid.

"Hello, attractive woman. I race cars."

"I conditionally consent to intercourse with you, racer-guy."

"Huh. That's an odd answer that should give me reason to pause and reflect... You 'conditionally consent', so not fully and without reservation? Y'know, I'mma go talk to that woman instead."

All consent is conditional. She might come home with you and see all your Star Wars toys and leave.

Yeah, and if you stop her from leaving and rape her anyway, you can't claim "but she came home with me" as your defense.

Well, duh.

What I don't agree with is having a rape charge filed against me because she checks IMDB in the morning and finds out I wasn't Matt Damon's stunt double in the Bourne movies.

Some people in this thread are pretending that Matt Damon's stunt double wouldn't get more attention from attractive women than average-Joe car washer guy.

p the boiler		2013-04-09 03:09:13 PM

DeltaPunch: Does anyone remember that video of two guys singing about how much they love fat chicks with gunts? It was hysterical, done in a rap video format.... I'm totally coming up dry on google here.

A cookie to whoever can deliver!

Look up FUPA ... Fat Upper Pussy Area

farkingnotworking		2013-04-09 03:10:33 PM

FarkinHostile: "That is not her natural hair color or length.
Those are not her real fingernails.
She doesn't look like that after a shower and she washes off her makeup.
Shes lied to you three times before you even spoke."

But that IS her gut that was hidden under that elastic fabric, so make it 4 lies.

The person who invented spanx should be shot in the head. Twice now I have been unpleasantly surprised by the lie.

A) The "lie" might in fact be originating in the photoshopped magazines, web sites or porn you are looking at which is giving you a false notion of what typical women's bodies look like. If some women are learning that men's tastes have veered toward an unnatural silhouette, is it so unthinkable that women would use garments (instead of, say, surgery) to obtain those artificial silhouettes? Why is the artificial construction in visual culture blameless while the spanxification a "lie"?

B) That said, I don't know if it is possible for anyone to present themselves without making some kind of artificial intervention in how they look. Guys wear certain clothes to cover certain body features all the time. They wear hats to cover bald spots. They use hair junk to make their hair look thicker. They wear that awful Axe stuff because they apparently want to smell like a whorehouse for huffers on Ash Wednesday. Meanwhile people buy alcohol for those they are seducing so that they will seem more attractive. They flock to darkened clubs with flashing lights for the same reason. The whole thing (not just the cake) is a lie.

/spanxification

waterrockets		2013-04-09 03:19:36 PM

farkingnotworking: Why is the artificial construction in visual culture blameless

It's not

DeltaPunch		2013-04-09 03:21:45 PM

p the boiler: DeltaPunch: Does anyone remember that video of two guys singing about how much they love fat chicks with gunts? It was hysterical, done in a rap video format.... I'm totally coming up dry on google here.

A cookie to whoever can deliver!

Look up FUPA ... Fat Upper Pussy Area

YES! I was searching for "gunt".... I knew it was a different word but couldn't remember. Thanks...

In case anybody hasn't seen it

fozziewazzi		2013-04-09 03:30:04 PM

waterrockets: fozziewazzi: Go to any club and try to overhear the conversations as guys try to hook up. You won't find any retail check-out clerks, insurance claims agents or unemployed men. But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works.

I had no issues whatsoever with the honest retail answer. Most guys are just pussies, so it's going to take a lot of deception to prevent the woman from discovering her upcoming team change.

You're not really saying that if retail guy and Game-of-Thrones-accent-coach guy both walked through the door of party, all other things being equal it's not going to make a difference when each of them tries to pick up attractive women? I think you need to separate how you feel about deception from whether it actually works in getting men laid.

fozziewazzi		2013-04-09 03:31:49 PM

DeltaPunch: p the boiler: DeltaPunch: Does anyone remember that video of two guys singing about how much they love fat chicks with gunts? It was hysterical, done in a rap video format.... I'm totally coming up dry on google here.

A cookie to whoever can deliver!

Look up FUPA ... Fat Upper Pussy Area

YES! I was searching for "gunt".... I knew it was a different word but couldn't remember. Thanks...

In case anybody hasn't seen it

I used to think there was no such thing as 'bad' knowledge. I'm older and wiser now. I won't click that link.

RenownedCurator		2013-04-09 03:35:41 PM

farkingnotworking: FarkinHostile: "That is not her natural hair color or length.
Those are not her real fingernails.
She doesn't look like that after a shower and she washes off her makeup.
Shes lied to you three times before you even spoke."

But that IS her gut that was hidden under that elastic fabric, so make it 4 lies.

The person who invented spanx should be shot in the head. Twice now I have been unpleasantly surprised by the lie.

A) The "lie" might in fact be originating in the photoshopped magazines, web sites or porn you are looking at which is giving you a false notion of what typical women's bodies look like. If some women are learning that men's tastes have veered toward an unnatural silhouette, is it so unthinkable that women would use garments (instead of, say, surgery) to obtain those artificial silhouettes? Why is the artificial construction in visual culture blameless while the spanxification a "lie"?

B) That said, I don't know if it is possible for anyone to present themselves without making some kind of artificial intervention in how they look. Guys wear certain clothes to cover certain body features all the time. They wear hats to cover bald spots. They use hair junk to make their hair look thicker. They wear that awful Axe stuff because they apparently want to smell like a whorehouse for huffers on Ash Wednesday. Meanwhile people buy alcohol for those they are seducing so that they will seem more attractive. They flock to darkened clubs with flashing lights for the same reason. The whole thing (not just the cake) is a lie.

/spanxification

Yes, I don't see why Spanx come in for so much vitriol instead of the expectation that women should be able to look like mannequins or airbrushed models no matter what. I'm not that big, but I have had three children, and without celebrity-level workouts and diets I'm just not going to look like I did when I was twenty. Spanx are a much more painless way of looking good on a big occasion than surgery and starving myself to impossible degrees.

/I don't know about the lawsuit's merits, but Spanx is a much better name than Yummy Tummy. You want your customers to forget what their stomachs look like, not put it right there in the name.

fozziewazzi		2013-04-09 03:42:11 PM

RenownedCurator: Yes, I don't see why Spanx come in for so much vitriol instead of the expectation that women should be able to look like mannequins or airbrushed models no matter what. I'm not that big, but I have had three children, and without celebrity-level workouts and diets I'm just not going to look like I did when I was twenty. Spanx are a much more painless way of looking good on a big occasion than sur ...

You could always forgo the Spanx instead of validating the idea that women should look like the TV ads?

andychrist420		2013-04-09 03:43:14 PM

theorellior: rikkitikkitavi: FYI, the new driver's ed rule is "8 and 4".

Yup, 2 and 10 makes you smack yourself in the face when the airbag goes off.

meh. Right hand 1:30, Left hand holding a cigarette with elbow resting on the windowsill. That's how I was taught.

waterrockets		2013-04-09 03:48:50 PM

fozziewazzi: waterrockets: fozziewazzi: Go to any club and try to overhear the conversations as guys try to hook up. You won't find any retail check-out clerks, insurance claims agents or unemployed men. But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works.

I had no issues whatsoever with the honest retail answer. Most guys are just pussies, so it's going to take a lot of deception to prevent the woman from discovering her upcoming team change.

You're not really saying that if retail guy and Game-of-Thrones-accent-coach guy both walked through the door of party, all other things being equal it's not going to make a difference when each of them tries to pick up attractive women? I think you need to separate how you feel about deception from whether it actually works in getting men laid.

Helps? Sure. Necessary? Hardly.

FarkinHostile		2013-04-09 03:56:32 PM

farkingnotworking:

A) The "lie" might in fact be originating in the photoshopped magazines, web sites or porn you are looking at which is giving you a false notion of what typical women's bodies look like.

Look, I'm a pretty experienced 42 year old man. No one is giving me any "false notions" of what typical women's bodies look like. I know exactly what a typical woman's body looks, feels, and tastes like. I know what I like, and when I see A and later find out it's really Z, that is deceitful, AKA lying.

If some women are learning that men's tastes have veered toward an unnatural silhouette, is it so unthinkable that women would use garments (instead of, say, surgery) to obtain those artificial silhouettes? Why is the artificial construction in visual culture blameless while the spanxification a "lie"?

Of course it's not unthinkable, but don't be surprised when I don't call you again when I find out you don't look like that when you are naked.

Popular visual culture is another topic. It's not blameless. Stay on target, Red leader.

B) That said, I don't know if it is possible for anyone to present themselves without making some kind of artificial intervention in how they look.

If by "artificial intervention" you mean grooming and hygiene, fine. If you mean we all hide/cover up flaws, dishonestly enhance looks, and misrepresent how we really are, no.

SOME, A FEW Guys wear certain clothes to cover certain body features all the time. They wear hats to cover bald spots. They use hair junk to make their hair look thicker. They wear that awful Axe stuff because they apparently want to smell like a whorehouse for huffers on Ash Wednesday.

Fixed that for you.

Hats are not lies, Toupees are. Hats are fashion and weather protection.
Hair junk is not a lie, it's grooming and fashion. That spray on bald spot cover is a lie.
Body spray/deodorant is not a lie, it's hygiene.

How often do you see toupees and spray on bald cover now a days? Never, right? Talk about losers. Hair transplants have taken their place, and it's real growing hair. Regardless, I'm balding and wouldn't consider any of the above.

Meanwhile people buy alcohol for those they are seducing so that they will seem more attractive.

It's called a mating ritual. Doesn't have to be alcohol, it could be coffee or food. Still, its a apt point.

They flock to darkened clubs with flashing lights for the same reason.

This is true. I don't, but many do.

The whole thing (not just the cake) is a lie.

The whole thing is a mating ritual. Yes, men are sometimes deceitful during the ritual, but women? Women OWN deceit in the ritual. Look no further than the cosmetic industry. Or hair extension companies. Or glamor shot photography. Men have just about zero to do with any of that shiat. Well, typical men, at least.

I'm in love with a woman who doesn't wear make up. She wears jeans, is a little soft, and you can tell by looking at her. And she is beautiful.

Kinek		2013-04-09 04:01:54 PM

Kinek		2013-04-09 04:10:01 PM

not5am		2013-04-09 04:27:33 PM

Theaetetus: ManRay: I am just stunned that Spanx has a value of over $1 billion. Props to the founder for her marketing and hard work, but it's such an obvious idea.

You'd think that, if you think it's just "underwear" or "spandex support garment", but the real innovation comes in how its formed in a seamless manner with specific direction fabric in certain portions. They really were a big jump over your grandmother's support garments.

a spandex corset is still a corset, shouldn't get a patent for it.

ScouserDuck		2013-04-09 04:32:36 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Brian Ryanberger: If Spanx are outlawed, how will obese divorcees get their free dinners?

Sucking cock in the alley way after last call, like nature intended itself.

Why do you think Taco Bell has fourth meal?

Wouldn't that make it 5th meal?

BHShaman		2013-04-09 04:34:39 PM

DeltaPunch:

In case anybody hasn't seen it

For after work

dryknife		2013-04-09 04:58:38 PM

What a glorious time to be free

MadAzza		2013-04-09 05:19:13 PM

Jesus Christ, what a bunch of farktards.

Wearing Spanx doesn't make fat disappear, idiots. It smoothes over your pantylines and maybe keeps a little bit of pooch from ruining the lines of your skirt. It's not a magical "make a woman look 40 lbs lighter" garment.

If you're so nearsighted that you can't tell whether a woman is "fat" or not, get contact lenses. You probably don't have to hurry, though, because she's not looking at you at all.
Never mind the fact that every one of you shallow assholes who is complaining about Spanx will also run to Fark to mock a woman who dares to venture out of the house 5 lbs overweight. "Cover that shiat up!" "OMG, Jabba the Hutt!"

And all that whining about "Waaah, it's false advertising when women wear makeup!" ... Guys always claim they want women who look "natural." They claim to want women who don't wear makeup. Well, guess what, honeypie? That's woman you pointed out, the one who's "not wearing makeup"? She's wearing makeup. She's not wearing prostitute makeup, but she's wearing makeup. So shut the fark up about women who are "lying" about their appearances.

I'm wearing mascara and age-appropriate clothing. Oh my god, maybe you'll select me for your fantasy list of "women I claim to have rejected for a one-night stand at some point during my shallow, meaningless, sports-bar-dwelling life, because after I got her drunk enough to think I'm attractive, I found out she was wearing a bra, and that's SO farkING FAKE, dude! I kicked her out of my 87 Tercel right then!"

I sound fat.

FarkinHostile		2013-04-09 05:41:36 PM

MadAzza:

And all that whining about "Waaah, it's false advertising when women wear makeup!" ... Guys always claim they want women who look "natural." They claim to want women who don't wear makeup. Well, guess what, honeypie? That's woman you pointed out, the one who's "not wearing makeup"? She's wearing makeup.

Nope, she's not. Not a bit. Sucks, doesn't it?
I sound fat.

And you flatter yourself, too.

/Shallow
//Honest

Day_Old_Dutchie		2013-04-09 07:25:00 PM

Spanks? Women's underwear?
s21.postimg.org

!!!

MadAzza		2013-04-09 07:43:17 PM

FarkinHostile: MadAzza:

And all that whining about "Waaah, it's false advertising when women wear makeup!" ... Guys always claim they want women who look "natural." They claim to want women who don't wear makeup. Well, guess what, honeypie? That's woman you pointed out, the one who's "not wearing makeup"? She's wearing makeup.

Nope, she's not. Not a bit. Sucks, doesn't it?
I sound fat.

And you flatter yourself, too.

/Shallow
//Honest

Yes, nine out of 10 times, she is. Got you fooled. And no, it doesn't suck if she isn't wearing makeup.
It's fine. And it's fine if she is.

Not sure what you think I'm flattering myself with, but knee-jerk comments like that are typical of shallow people, so I guess that fits with how you see yourself.

fanbladesaresharp		2013-04-09 09:38:57 PM

FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works we haven't yet implemented laws that say that fraudulently obtained consent to sex does not count.

FTFY.

Please tell me you're not advocating making lying to get laid as Rape.

I can see cases where it's reasonable. If you intentionally deceive someone, knowing that they would not consent to sex with you had they known the truth, that seems pretty despicable. Also, Tennessee and California both have rape by fraud statutes.

Well, I'll say one thing: You're consistent.

Ridiculous, but consistant.

And that "Rape by fraud/deception" isn't as broad as they think. There's a lot of arguement going on about it. It's a very archaic law, but if you say you're a pilot, when you're a barista to get laid, that's just plain ol' lying. Saying you're a woman's husband or boyfriend to get laid, especially if they're asleep is what at least the CA law was intended to cover.

If you pull that on a guy in court because of consensual sex, and later you find out he's really unemployed, is pretty much going to scare off any guy in the future. Because really, if that angle is pulled, what if the guy tries it? There are women that falsely say their pregnant, only to have a "miscarriage" later just to keep a guy. Shouldn't there be some recourse there too?

8 inches		2013-04-09 09:40:40 PM

ProfessorOhki: I would have thought such a patent was originally held by a sausage casing company.

You're thinking of Trojan.

grimlock1972		2013-04-09 10:06:29 PM

when everi hear the word Spanx, I think of the drug dealer in GTA III you have to take maria to " want to buy some spank"

Theaetetus		2013-04-09 10:20:47 PM

Kinek: Theaetetus: sjmcc13: No, I read more. I just understand the stuff well enough to notice that a lot of apples patents should never have been issued. Many of the things apple was listing off in the design patents suits were things that came from merging a cell phone and a PDA (which is all an iPhone is, and that is NOT something apple cameup with). or were functionally necessary and/or forced choices.

If they were functionally necessary and/or forced choices, then by definition, Samsung couldn't have made non-infringing smart phones and tablets, such the Galaxy Tab 10.1N, which doesn't infringe, or this sucker:
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 450x362]

How about the rubberbanding patent that was recently invalidated? You know, the one that you argued vociforously was totally reasonable?

Do you have a link? A citation? Quote? Paraphrase? Anything? No, of course not, because it never happened. I'll be the first to admit that I've never done a prior art search for the rubberbanding patent, and so cannot say that it's valid.
What the argument was over was whether any software implementation of something done in hardware could be patentable. And yes, it can, if there are additional problems to be solved or features to be added that are themselves patentable. And that's absolutely true, regardless of whether one specific patent was obvious or not over a prior art reference.
But, y'know, without even a single quote to support your fairy tale, I'm not sure how anyone can take it seriously.

... not to mention the fact that Apple's rubber band patent was considered invalid... because Apple had another prior rubber band patent.

Kinek		2013-04-09 11:50:12 PM

Theaetetus: Kinek: Theaetetus: sjmcc13: No, I read more. I just understand the stuff well enough to notice that a lot of apples patents should never have been issued. Many of the things apple was listing off in the design patents suits were things that came from merging a cell phone and a PDA (which is all an iPhone is, and that is NOT something apple cameup with). or were functionally necessary and/or forced choices.

If they were functionally necessary and/or forced choices, then by definition, Samsung couldn't have made non-infringing smart phones and tablets, such the Galaxy Tab 10.1N, which doesn't infringe, or this sucker:
[2.bp.blogspot.com image 450x362]

How about the rubberbanding patent that was recently invalidated? You know, the one that you argued vociforously was totally reasonable?

Do you have a link? A citation? Quote? Paraphrase? Anything? No, of course not, because it never happened. I'll be the first to admit that I've never done a prior art search for the rubberbanding patent, and so cannot say that it's valid.
What the argument was over was whether any software implementation of something done in hardware could be patentable. And yes, it can, if there are additional problems to be solved or features to be added that are themselves patentable. And that's absolutely true, regardless of whether one specific patent was obvious or not over a prior art reference.
But, y'know, without even a single quote to support your fairy tale, I'm not sure how anyone can take it seriously.

... not to mention the fact that Apple's rubber band patent was considered invalid... because Apple had another prior rubber band patent.

Except you did. It was over 6 months ago, so I don't have the exact log because I have better shiat to do. But you defended it because it was non-obvious, and how dare we question it's non-obviousness, it only looks clear in hindsight. Blahblahblah patent lawyer bullshiat.

And it doesn't help the case for the patent system that a patent that gets sued over gets invalidated immediately afterwards, regardless of who invalidated it. In fact, it makes it even more ridiculous that a company is getting so many patents in such tiny incremental steps that they end up invalidating themselves.

Trance354		2013-04-09 11:52:18 PM

Your average gym will have several examples of gym shorts, yoga pants, and tights for women. Earlier today I saw the most perfect set of examples: the yoga pants caused no less than 5 near-deaths every time she went to the water fountain for a drink. She knew the effect she was having, and she just kept at it. The trio in tights also caused near-death for the fellows whenever they decided to do lunges, squats and pushups. Attention whores, the lot of them. The women who came to the gym to workout had gym shorts on, didn't screw around, and weren't there to show off. Most of the guys like the latter, because most of us are there to get fit or sustain.

this goes both ways, as well: the vast majority of guys are there to workout, but you have the oddballs of our gender as well. The guy who parades around in a bright blue singlet. He freaks out everyone. Then there are the skinny guys in the shirts that don't have sides. Short of one guy who could pass for Odin, the majority of those types are there to be seen. The only positive being that they don't last long; after a few weeks they tend to stop coming, not getting the attention they crave. .... Myself, the workout clothing I use its loose, because I am there to work, dammit, not look pretty

FirstNationalBastard		2013-04-10 04:04:39 AM

fanbladesaresharp: FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: fozziewazzi: But there will be plenty of guys with either well-paying, well regarded or 'interesting' jobs...whether they have them or not. Why? Because when you're trying to pick up women, it works we haven't yet implemented laws that say that fraudulently obtained consent to sex does not count.

FTFY.

Please tell me you're not advocating making lying to get laid as Rape.

I can see cases where it's reasonable. If you intentionally deceive someone, knowing that they would not consent to sex with you had they known the truth, that seems pretty despicable. Also, Tennessee and California both have rape by fraud statutes.

Well, I'll say one thing: You're consistent.

Ridiculous, but consistant.

And that "Rape by fraud/deception" isn't as broad as they think. There's a lot of arguement going on about it. It's a very archaic law, but if you say you're a pilot, when you're a barista to get laid, that's just plain ol' lying. Saying you're a woman's husband or boyfriend to get laid, especially if they're asleep is what at least the CA law was intended to cover.

If you pull that on a guy in court because of consensual sex, and later you find out he's really unemployed, is pretty much going to scare off any guy in the future. Because really, if that angle is pulled, what if the guy tries it? There are women that falsely say their pregnant, only to have a "miscarriage" later just to keep a guy. Shouldn't there be some recourse there too?

Cmon... Guys can't even quit paying child support after finding out a child isn't theirs and the woman lied about who the kid's father is.

Theaetetus		2013-04-10 08:36:08 AM

Kinek:
Except you did. It was over 6 months ago, so I don't have the exact log because I have better shiat to do.

so, you dreamed the entire thing. Got it. You do know that I'm not actually responsible for the things that happen in your fantasies, right?

FarktheHeraldAngelSings		2013-04-10 09:03:51 AM

SAUSAGE CASING.

That's all folks.

Kinek		2013-04-10 09:34:58 AM

Theaetetus: Kinek:
Except you did. It was over 6 months ago, so I don't have the exact log because I have better shiat to do.

so, you dreamed the entire thing. Got it. You do know that I'm not actually responsible for the things that happen in your fantasies, right?

It was in the thread about the original judgement in the Samsung case, over 6 months ago. I don't know what the thread is called, so I can't look it up. However, I remember you arguing the utility of the patent.

But thanks for being a condescending douchebag. I'm sure that wins you a lot of arguments.

Theaetetus		2013-04-10 01:44:23 PM

Kinek: Theaetetus: Kinek:
Except you did. It was over 6 months ago, so I don't have the exact log because I have better shiat to do.

so, you dreamed the entire thing. Got it. You do know that I'm not actually responsible for the things that happen in your fantasies, right?

It was in the thread about the original judgement in the Samsung case, over 6 months ago. I don't know what the thread is called, so I can't look it up. However, I remember you arguing the utility of the patent.

Are you saying the patent lacks utility? I'd be happy to argue that with you.
But no, I doubt you're saying that, because I doubt you understand what it means.

But thanks for being a condescending douchebag. I'm sure that wins you a lot of arguments.

And I'm sure you win a lot of arguments with "what you said 6 months ago that I can't quote, cite, or otherwise provide evidence of is entirely different than what you're saying now, so therefore you're inconsistent, so I win and Sarah Palin is automatically president!"

And if not letting you put words in my mouth is being a condescending douchebag, then you probably find that everyone around you is a condescending douchebag... which means, maybe the problem is you.

sjmcc13		2013-04-10 04:15:10 PM

Theaetetus		2013-04-10 04:52:10 PM

sjmcc13: Kinek: Theaetetus: Kinek:
Except you did. It was over 6 months ago, so I don't have the exact log because I have better shiat to do.

so, you dreamed the entire thing. Got it. You do know that I'm not actually responsible for the things that happen in your fantasies, right?

It was in the thread about the original judgement in the Samsung case, over 6 months ago. I don't know what the thread is called, so I can't look it up. However, I remember you arguing the utility of the patent.

But thanks for being a condescending douchebag. I'm sure that wins you a lot of arguments.

whas it this one :
http://www.fark.com/comments/7397931/US-Patent-Office-invalidates-Ap pl es-scroll-bounce-patent-Status-of-rock-skate-patent-unknown

Heh. I can't wait for him to jump in and say "yeah, that one!" and then still be unable to pull up a quote of me "vociferously" arguing that it's valid.

MadAzza		2013-04-10 06:20:00 PM

Theaetetus: sjmcc13: Kinek: Theaetetus: Kinek:
Except you did. It was over 6 months ago, so I don't have the exact log because I have better shiat to do.

so, you dreamed the entire thing. Got it. You do know that I'm not actually responsible for the things that happen in your fantasies, right?

It was in the thread about the original judgement in the Samsung case, over 6 months ago. I don't know what the thread is called, so I can't look it up. However, I remember you arguing the utility of the patent.

But thanks for being a condescending douchebag. I'm sure that wins you a lot of arguments.

whas it this one :
http://www.fark.com/comments/7397931/US-Patent-Office-invalidates-Ap pl es-scroll-bounce-patent-Status-of-rock-skate-patent-unknown

Heh. I can't wait for him to jump in and say "yeah, that one!" and then still be unable to pull up a quote of me "vociferously" arguing that it's valid.

Ooh, this just got almost interesting.

*pops corn*

Theaetetus		2013-04-10 06:25:02 PM

MadAzza: Ooh, this just got almost interesting.

Not really. Let's be honest - Kinek will probably never post in this thread again. But he'll try doing the same "you totally said something different months ago, my girlfriend heard it, she's from Canada and you don't know her" thing again in the next thread.

Polyron		2013-04-10 09:30:29 PM

MadAzza		2013-04-10 11:02:49 PM

Theaetetus: MadAzza: Ooh, this just got almost interesting.

Not really. Let's be honest - Kinek will probably never post in this thread again. But he'll try doing the same "you totally said something different months ago, my girlfriend heard it, she's from Canada and you don't know her" thing again in the next thread.

Nailed it.

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