Full disclosure, I'm a parent of a 4 yr old girl.

The article makes some good points, but number 9 is bullshiat.  Whenever my precious snowflake is doing something that isn't very precious and is annoying/hurting/generally shiat disturbing others and she doesn't respond to my chairbourne correction, I get up and deal with her....  usually by crouching down in front of her, telling her I want to talk to her, explaining why what she's doing isn't acceptable and threatening her with a time out if she continues.  If that doesn't take care of it, then I follow through with the time out unless she behaves.

Why do I do this?  Because I want my chair-based words of correction to farking mean something.  My sister in law shrieks at her children and they don't give a fark because they know it doesn't mean anything.  On the other hand, the 9 times out of 10 when I calmly tell her to stop doing something stupid and other parents tell me how well behaved she is, it's not because she's awesome (which she is, I have to be honest) it's because she knows that there are consistent and knowable consequences to misbehaving and it's more fun to find something else to get into.

We have plenty of ways to make our kids behave without thrashing them or inducing some kind of cruelty...  if your kid is misbehaving it's probably because you don't follow through on your correction of their behaviour and they know you're full of shiat.

It's not that you are a breeder, it's that you are an asshole.

Am I the only one who has ever left a restaraunt with a toddler who couldn't handle it? That one pisses me off. No I will not put up wil my kid acting like a little monster in public, "family friendly" or not. This chick does not speak for all of us.

Congratulations, you've mastered one of the most basic biological processes. Pardon me while I stop the world to celebrate how amazing you are because you figured out how to procreate.

I mean, I like kids and all, but can we seriously stop this ridiculous sense of superiority that some (admittedly not most) parents have just because they worked out how to produce offspring?

 STFU, Childless People: The 10 Most Annoying Complaints From Non-Breeders About Parents Reasons I Should Have Never Reproduced.

Let's just fix that up.

FTFA:  2.Control Your Children in Restaurants - Look, if you see a kid at a restaurant, more times than not, it's because you've chosen to go to a "family" restaurant, and "family" often means loud-mouthed litte (sic) brats.

9.What Really Annoys Me Is When Parents Yell at their Kids But Never Get Out of Their Chair and Deal with the Kid - Well, how are we supposed to "deal with it"? We yelled at the kid, didn't we?


biatch, please.  Your parents would have handled this shiat.  Why can't you?


/ When I was a kid, a "time out" meant my dad took time out of his busy day to whip my ass.

I hate obnoxious parents that rage about how difficult their lives are. My wife and I spent $50,000 trying to have that chance and it still didn't work. STFU and be happy with what you have.

Kids don't bother me at all.  In fact, I like kids.  What I can't stand are the goddam parents who expect everyone to treat their children as if they're the center of the universe.

If I hear one more non-breeder complain about a parents failure to "control their kid" based on that one shiatty little brat they saw throwing a tantrum in the middle of Wal-Mart, I'm going to go apoplectic. For every tantrum-throwing little sh*t, there are 300 well-adjusted children who don't have to be removed from a situation, and yet it is this complaint that is most often cited.

Non sequitur much? We aren't complaining about the children who aren't throwing a tantrum.

/non-parent
//active godisafairytalefather to 6 year old

Dear Mommies and Daddies,

No we actually don't need to cut you a break. In fact, I don't owe you a damned thing, I have my own problems to worry about. Grow up and handle your responsibilities.

Signed,

Everyone

As a parent, I agree that there are a lot of bad parents in the world, but a lot of the ones people complain about, do the things they do because it is what works. You can go into parenting with a basic plan on how to handle feeding, clothing, and disciplining a child, but raising a child is similar to combat in the sense that, once engaged, all planning goes out the window. You simply have to do what works, even if the people around are annoyed or disapprove.

Secondly, regarding pictures on Facebook: If you don't want to see them, you don't have to be friends with us or view our photo galleries. We put those pictures there for the people who do want to see them e.g. grandparents, aunts, cousins and other relatives who live out of state and care about our children. Non-breeders are not the reason we put pictures up. We sincerely apologize that our contribution to your newsfeed has failed to entertain you in a way that affirms your life-choices.

Since when does dining out, even at a family restaurant, mean that I am require to listen to your screeching crotch fruit? My children and my grandchildren were taught how to behave in public. If you want them to run wild, take them to the dog park. If you bring your untrained brats into a restaurant, expect the glaring looks and complaints to the management.

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: If I go to Applebee's or The Cracker Barrel and there's some kid screaming his head off two tables over then I shrug and accept it.   You expect to see that kind of thing in a family restaurant.  But if I'm at a nicer resteraunt then I get real annoyed, real quick with screaming toddlers.

That's the problem right there. Hell no you shouldn't expect to see it. The parent should leave with the child if the child can't handle eating there. "But I paid for this farking grilled cheese..." Tough shiat. Teaching your child to behave in public should be worth more than a lousy grilled cheese sandwich.

/parent

I'm lucky enough to have married a person who is really good with kids.  I was a complete idiot and needed on-the-job training (work in progress).  Here's my pro-tips to eating out with kids.  We currently have a 6-year old and twin 22-month olds.  Hence, I'm qualified to comment.

1.) Choose a family friendly restaurant.  Seems obvious, right?  Seen some spectacular "FAIL" with this one at "nicer " restaurants.
2.) Kids are easily bored.  This is easily fixed.  Bring a small bag filled with coloring books, iPad, Kindle, whatever that will keep kids busy for the two important times during a meal when they cause trouble - waiting for the food and after they eat but mom and dad aren't done.
3.) Order an appetizer for the kids.  Maybe you make up for this by having them split their meals, but it's worth it.  I'm not saying you should overfeed them.  In fact, it's hard to over feed a kid who's routinely eating healthy stuff.

Mandatory CSB - once we were out at our local family bar and pub.  We were nearly done when a family walked in and sat down next to us.  Their kids were hellions and they kept getting yelled at.  My wife glanced over at their mom and said "here, you can have these, we are done with them" and gave her a couple of our coloring books and a small box of crayons.

Hellion children immediately changed into normal quiet kids - because they had something to do.

With very rare exceptions for psychosis, etc there's no such thing as bad kids.  There are just kids who are not given direction and activities.

Should we take away something? Because she's three, does she really have anything of value?

To her, yes.  This use to work fantastic on my daughter at that age.

<Kid situation>
Me:  You better stop what you're doing or I'm going to put one of your toys in time out.
Kid:  What are you gonna take?
Me:  What do you think I'm gonna take?
Kid: (GASP)  Not my Shamu!?!
Me:  Oh, you bet it's your Shamu.
</Kid situation>

This list was about as fair and objective as most anti-parent rants.  I have no problem with it.  Was the blogger a little vitriolic, sure, but that is probably a reaction to a lot of the 'I shouldn't have to be slightly inconvenienced for your decision to breed' self centered attitude that is so prevalent.

That's why we go out, dumbass. We just paid $7 plus (a very generous) tip for a crappy grilled cheese sandwich so we wouldn't have to deal with that mess.

The person who wrote that should have her head smashed in with a ball-peen hammer.

#2 strikes really close to home with me.

For one thing, I don't go to "family restaurants" I go to nice restaurants and pubs. But I still see your bratty little kid making a goddamned mess of everything and screaming and running around. I choose to go to the places I go specifically so I don't have to deal with this kind of shiat.

As for #2a:

I spent many years as an executive chef at a high-end gastro pub. The only reason I offered a children's menu was because we'd invariably have someone new to the place think that because it was Irish, it was going to be like "Slappy McShenanigans" with all types of crap on the walls and the same tired "family restaurant" food that the chains serve. Sure, there was a menu posted in the goblin box by the front door listing the various items like our huntsman's mixed grille with elk chops, quail, and wild boar sausage, but when you're dealing with your screaming brat that doesn't want to sit in their stroller anymore, you can hardly be blamed for not reading the farking menu before coming in. My kids meals were NICE. Grilled 6oz NY strip or grilled chicken breast with mushroom demi, sauteed green beans, and macaroni and cheese or champ potatoes and they sold for $10. I kept a grilled cheese on there for $6 for the misguided wanderers. The reason I had my grilled cheese at $6? Because I didn't want your farking brats in my restaurant, screaming and raising hell, wasting my saute cook's time, making food for you because you couldn't be bothered to read the farking menu or look around before coming in and taking up the seats that I could be selling $30 filets and elk chops to.

Crewmannumber6: neversubmit: It's not that you aren't a breeder, it's that you are an asshole.

FTFY
Choosing to live your life wrapped in self absorption doesn't make you a better person.

Spending 20-30 years producing a self-replicating swarm of mini-mes is about the most self-absorbed act humanly possible.

Look: We already did all that, and we found our spouses, and we got married, and we had kids SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT ANYMORE.

Oh, look, an unattractive joyless biatch.

But if you choose to eat comfort food with the masses anyway, you can shove your judgmental stares. I know you think if you were in our position, you'd grab that whiny little sh*t and take him or her home the second he acted out, but you wouldn't.

Sure I would, that's what my parents did.

And there was no dinner provided after that.

Englebert Slaptyback: For a refreshing change, a mom posts a list


I do not plan to read the list. I plan to assume that the author shrieking harpy is angry about being a subpar parent and is jealous of people who do not have to deal with her children.

It's mostly her making assumptions on behalf of the non-breeders.

A few strawmen, so I stopped reading it myself.

I think most of the problems would be solved if kids under 12 were kept on a leash when in public.

I've seen a lot of talk in this thread about "how do you deal with unruly children".  I mentioned a few things (aka, "give them something to do") but I haven't really seen anyone use this word yet: expectations.

If  you have kids you simply can not put them in ANY situation without giving them expectations first and hope it will succeed.  They may need some guidance/course correction once in that situation but you have to do the up front "work".  It takes all of 30 seconds:

"We are all going to a restaurant tonight.  There are no loud voices, no running, etc etc ....or there will be no dessert and there WILL be early bed time".

...or....

"Grandma doesn't hear well so make sure you look right at her and speak loudly and use your 'please' and 'thank you'-s".

And you have to temper this sometimes with..

"I want you to scream and play and have fun and throw water balloons at me as much as you want to".  After, they are kids. They need to blow off steam like the rest of us.

If you didn't set the behavioral expectation - you are the one to blame.

Lusiphur: I think the author is kind of a moron, but I do agree with the family restaurant comment. If you voluntarily go out to eat at a family restaurant, you deserve all the hell that is piled upon you. You want a nice dining experience, go to a nice restaurant. Otherwise, STFU, whether you have children or not.

But what would you qualify as a "family restaurant?"

Chucky cheese & McD's? Sure, I can see that. Places like the Olive Garden? I'll give it a pass. The problem is when parents qualify any area that serves food, is less than $50 a plate, and allows people under 21 as a "family restaurant."

Just because you can take your 2-foot-tall screaming terrorist to an affordable steakhouse, on a Friday night, doesn't mean you should.

Lexx: The mommy blogger happens to be right about one thing: yeah, narcissists shouldn't complain that other narcissists are self-aggrandizing narcissists. At the same time, I thank the high heavens that facebook allows me to filter out status updates from select individuals. I have no interest, whatsoever, in your experience as a parent.

The bigger question though is why anybody anywhere gives a shiat about what other people do on Facebook. If you don't like something don't read it, if you care enough block their posts (like you said) or un-friend them. If they ask you why you un-friended them, explain that their constant stream of [insert what annoys you here] was annoying to you.  There is absolutely no reason why anybody should be upset at another human being because they won't be their Facebook friend. If your friend throws a fit about being un-friended and no longer wants to associate with you then nothing of value was lost.

Childless person here.  So happy so see what wasn't on that list was my biggest problem with parents: "Can't come to work, kid problems."  Sucks the most when you are in a job where you can't leave until the next person shows up to relieve you and they call in because of their kid.  Happened to me a couple times when I worked security.  There had to be a minimum of one person on the weekends and my weekend relief was real bad with calling in because of her kids.  Spent many Saturdays working 20 hours, off for four, and back for hopefully just 12 hours.  Sorry parents, single or not, the moment your kids needs (illness, closed day cares, whatever) bleed over into your work and force your coworkers to do extra to meet your deadlines or cause us to work more hours we get to speak up.

bluenote13: This whole article smacks of a woman who had kids too early and is pissed off that her friends got to enjoy their 20's while she was pregnant and could not. One of the things I have noticed with my friends is that the ones who got married younger and had kids right away after getting married are the ones like this woman, who complain about the single friends, or childless couples. While two friends who got married in their early 30's and waited a couple years to have kids were able to adjust much faster because they were established in their lives and careers.

The whole article is based on the premise that any of her behavior is reasonable because it's necessary.  She's completely overlooking the option that a lot of the people who are judging her are actually excellent with kids, have kids of their own or regularly provide childcare to close relatives, and are judging her for being that overwhelmed and overworked by the mess and noise her children create because she's actually doing things that are known to be ineffective.

I'll grant her that family restaurants are family restaurants.  However, there's a difference between a happy, but piercingly loud child, like my nephew occasionally is, and a surly angry bored child determined to be the center of attention and used to manipulating adults through volume, because they know they'll be bribed for compliance and never actually punished if they make a big enough scene.

Carn:

FTA: That's why we go out, dumbass. We just paid $7 plus (a very generous) tip for a crappy grilled cheese sandwich so we wouldn't have to deal with that mess.

The person who wrote that should have her head smashed in with a ball-peen hammer.

This.  Unless you're in a Chuck E. Cheese or copycat thereof, waitstaff aren't paid to clean up the crap your kids spread on the floors, walls, and wherever else.

Mommy blogger, your arguments basically break down to:  "Narcissists who post food & pet pictures have no leg to stand on complaining about my mommy-blogging" and "and I have no sympathy for the suffering my children put you through, they put ME through worse."

The mommy blogger happens to be right about one thing: yeah, narcissists shouldn't complain that other narcissists are self-aggrandizing narcissists.  At the same time, I thank the high heavens that facebook allows me to filter out status updates from select individuals.  I have no interest, whatsoever, in your experience as a parent.

She's wrong, dead wrong, about the whole "my suffering is worse than yours so stfu" argument.  You shouldn't be foisting your child upon society if what it causes is misery.

Mercutio74: Full disclosure, I'm a parent of a 4 yr old girl.

The article makes some good points, but number 9 is bullshiat.  Whenever my precious snowflake is doing something that isn't very precious and is annoying/hurting/generally shiat disturbing others and she doesn't respond to my chairbourne correction, I get up and deal with her....  usually by crouching down in front of her, telling her I want to talk to her, explaining why what she's doing isn't acceptable and threatening her with a time out if she continues.  If that doesn't take care of it, then I follow through with the time out unless she behaves.

Why do I do this?  Because I want my chair-based words of correction to farking mean something.  My sister in law shrieks at her children and they don't give a fark because they know it doesn't mean anything.  On the other hand, the 9 times out of 10 when I calmly tell her to stop doing something stupid and other parents tell me how well behaved she is, it's not because she's awesome (which she is, I have to be honest) it's because she knows that there are consistent and knowable consequences to misbehaving and it's more fun to find something else to get into.

We have plenty of ways to make our kids behave without thrashing them or inducing some kind of cruelty...  if your kid is misbehaving it's probably because you don't follow through on your correction of their behaviour and they know you're full of shiat.

First off, this is not sarcasm ... Using fear as a tactic to keep kids in line is absolutely a great way to get them to pull it together in public. I use that card with my 9 year old a few times a month. A very sharp glare and pointed finger is all it takes for him to straighten up, and it doesn't cause a scene. He knows what's coming next. It is that fear that makes him straighten up. It was that fear that kept ME in line as a kid. It works, and it's more humane than constant beatings. (my father and I have a great relationship these days. it did no harm). As you said, follow through is the key. You can't verbally get a kid in line unless they know you WILL take it a step further if they don't. Otherwise, they'll ignore you. The whole thing is really common sense and I don't see how so many parents miss the "follow through" part.

Marcus Aurelius: How about this: if you've never raised a child, STFU.

If the topic comes up at all, clearly you must not be doing a good enough job of it and require advice from the village around you.

I'm a proud "non-breeder" (that term is as stupid as crotch dropping), but I also don't harangue parents in public if their kids start acting up.  Just because some people do, doesn't mean we all do.  The only time I'll say anything to a parent about their parenting skills is if I see them hitting their kid.  Not spanking on the bottom, I mean smacking in the face with an open hand.  Then you best believe you're going to get an earful from me, and I dare you to smack ME in the face.

The problem here is the same with the atheist vs. believer argument; it's always the vocal minority that ends up speaking for the majority.  Not all parents are shiatty, inattentive control freaks and not all childless people are whiny douchebags.

As a parent one of the most important skills I hope to bestow upon my children is to not give a shiat what some dumbarse hipster thinks.

She sounds like a bad parent.

For a refreshing change, a mom posts a list


I do not plan to read the list. I plan to assume that the author shrieking harpy is angry about being a subpar parent and is jealous of people who do not have to deal with her children.

spiderpaz: Oh look: a bunch of degenerates on fark - who have never raised children because they are too cynical or selfish or damaged (or D, all of the above) - commenting on child rearing, and being complete self-obsessed douche bags about it. I.AM.Shocked!

Heh.  That kind of post is more effective if you get it in before the first hundred.  It also helps if you have, you know, read the thread too.

blindio: That should help They don't owe you anything either.  No quarter asked, none given.

No quarter?

So, can non-parents get back the extra taxes they paid (taxes which go toward schools & children's programs) that they were unable to deduct for no reason other than the fact that they didn't have children?

onzmadi: Meh She has some valid points..especially about the resturant thing. I take my kid out so I dont have to cook and clean. Also if you choose to eat at a "Family"  dining establishment why are you judging parents who bring their families you non-breeding hipster douchnozzles.

Seems like the childless ones  are out in force in this thread, but it is FARK so you know you have to move out of your mom's basement to have kids

Nah it's not one of those threads.  The conversation actually started out pretty measured - the father's points make him out to be an obviously lousy parent, who spends 40 hours a week watching television as his job.  At the same time, the anti-breeder set is pretty obnoxious.

Kids *do* have a place in society, and parents *do* have the responsibility to either raise them correctly *before* inflicting them upon society.  And no, being a parent does not make you special, or above the judgment of the childless.

1. I -dont- post pics of my pets on FB. Thanks for projecting.

2. There is no such thing as a non-family restaurant... believe me if there was, i'd go there EXCLUSIVELY.

3. I have never complained about shy children, In fact it would be fine with me if they were all shy.

4.  I never claimed to understand parenthood.

5. Once again, i dont post that shiat on FB... you can STFU about that now.

6.  Its fine with me if you dont have time to bring your rugrats around to wreck my place.

7.  Meh, you dont need babysitters anymore, it is now perfectly acceptable to take your farking children EVERYWHERE. Its why we're not allowed to have fun at Ozzie concerts anymore. Its "family entertainment" now.  UGH.

8.  Yea, i dont refer to myself as my doggies "daddy" either... thats just weird.

9.  This childless liberal hippie is all about you beating the hell out of your children when they deserve it. Hell if you dont want to, let me know & i'll do it for you.

10.  fark you... ever worked a 40+ hour shift?  Ever worked more than 360 days in a single year? I've done both... to cover up for busy parents who didnt have time to show up for their farking job.

I Hate the "You Don't Understand" Parents -

And then the pretentiousness twat goes on to write that people without children don't understand that your dimwitted booger muncher of a snowlfake is misbehaved because they have a mouth breather for a parent.

MycroftHolmes:

This list was about as fair and objective as most anti-parent rants.  I have no problem with it.

I have no problem with those. An unfair and subjective rant never ripped the shiat out of a mountain ridge to power a household with four kids and seven TVs.


Was the blogger a little vitriolic, sure, but that is probably a reaction to a lot of the 'I shouldn't have to be slightly inconvenienced for your decision to breed' self centered attitude that is so prevalent.

"Slightly inconvenienced!?!" You think 7+ billion hungry mouths is only a slight inconvenience? Maybe you're not aware that even physicists who are SciFi fans agree that colonizing other worlds when we've totally farked up this one is at least "two Powerballs in one week" unlikely. (This is for you too, MycroftHolmes.)

It's insisting on breeding that's the self-centered attitude.

If you want to be altruistic try raising an orphan instead, especially one whose pigmentation is not just like yours*. Share your wonderfulness with those who need it most. And this goes for gays and/or single people too: if you look at the families around you and think you could do a better job you might as well have at it. (This ain't something I'm suited for, obviously: the world ain't ready for any kid I'd raise instead of having for lunch.)

Okay? Okay.

* By "you" here I don't mean MycroftHolmes or indeed any particular individual, it'd just that addressing "one" gets too stilted too quickly and even most Americans below the Mason-Dixon line don't realize "y'all" is plural.

As a parent and someone who's wife has worked in daycares and reading programs for precshool-middle school aged kids, this woman is the worst kind of parent.

She feels that because she has popped out a kid she has the right to talk down to anyone who has not had a kid.

My kids were always well behaved when we went out to eat or we left. After we left eating out the second time both my kids got what respect to others were. We clean up after ourselves when we leave tables and tip well because we know that kids are messy.

This woman is just straight up bitter.

Doesn't anyone else find it funny she is using a term that the homosexual culture uses as a derogatory term for straight people, breeders, non-breeders. Just using this term shows he complete and utter disregard for those that have no kids. She is just self-righteous because she had a kid.

/control your kid in public.
//or go home and let them shiatheads.
///Bad parent is bad.

kumanoki: Girls seem to be much more well-behaved than boys, for some reason.

Thats because boys turn into spastic assholes from the age of 4 to 16 when they start to mellow out. Girls on the other start off sane and get crazier and crazier as the years go by until they hit critical mass at 16.

Notabunny: fta 4. I Hate the "You Don't Understand" Parents - But, here's the thing: You don't understand.

and

4. I Hate the "You Don't Understand" Parents - But, here's the thing: You don't understand.

Oh, and

4. I Hate the "You Don't Understand" Parents - But, here's the thing: You don't understand.

It's not that I don't understand, I just don't give a shiat

tricycleracer

someonelse: Mugato: Wow, that is one obnoxious biatch.

Think about why you assumed the author was female. Then feel bad about yourself.

Right there in the header: "drolly written by a mother ".


Also in the Fark headline: "a mom posts a list".

I believe this is where we point and laugh at someonelse.

On a planet with 7+ billion humans eating, chopping, burning, digging, killing and polluting the shiat out of everything, far more people need to Just. Stop. Breeding. Just say NO to reproduction. What are the chances YOUR genes are so much more wonderful than a few dozen million people Just Like You? Do you really need that second kid, and did you really need the first?

And hey, if you can't figure out how to avoid causing childbirth you should be sterilized by force: it's possible for stupid parents to have & raise nonstupid kids but you'd have a better chance on a trifecta at the Derby.

If you think that's harsh, here's another: people who've never seriously considered suicide are just too thick to be worth much. But more on that later.

Don't want to hear those complaints?  Then how about not breeding?

How about this: if you've never raised a child, STFU.

neversubmit: It's not that you aren't a breeder, it's that you are an asshole.

FTFY
Choosing to live your life wrapped in self absorption doesn't make you a better person.

xanadian: Mugato: Wow, that is one obnoxious biatch.

Having kids will do that to you.

What excuse to non-breeders use?

News Flash: There are obnoxious assholes in the world. Some have kids, some don't.

That's a lot of whine and examples of "it's ok because other similarly annoying people" that aren't liked either

PanicMan: I refuse to accept the term  "non-breeder" in any way, shape, or form.

Names are only funny when you can label the OTHER person with them.

FTA: " If you regularly post pictures or talk about your dogs, cats, or other pets on Facebook, just don't even. Really, do you have any idea how little we care about how adorable your puppy looks peeking out from under the blankets? But do we constantly give you sh*t about it, or talk smack about you behind your back? No. We "Like" your post like the good goddamn friends we are because if it makes you happy, it makes us happy, even if that worthless damn pet of yours will never be able to pay for your hospice care. "

Funny because it is true.

I just came here to say I don't mind when people post pictures of their kids, pets, meals, drinks on Facebook. The only thing I really don't like is the forwarded chain letters of the "Like this or else it means you hate Jesus!!!!" ilk.

On the subject of parents vs. child-free, however: As a child-free person I think I should be able to call in sick with a hangover as many times as parents call in sick to take care of a child. In an overpopulated world, having a kid is not morally superior to remaining childless and enjoying your freedom. One should not be privileged over the other.

My Biggest Pet Peeve Is 'You Can't Imagine How Tired, Frustrated, Pain, Etc. Unless You've Had a Child - You know what, imaginary person who is annoyed with all of these things you have to deal with by virtue of being friends with the people who choose, for their own happiness, to continue repopulating the Earth: Either stop hanging out with parents, or stop biatching.

No, we aren't complaining that you complain that you're tired. We're complaining because parents like you feel the need to trivialize every legitimate gripe we might have by saying "Try doing it with kids," as if life is easy and meaningless without children. We get it. Kids are exhausting. But, when I spend 15 hours a day in 100+ degree heat three days in a row chopping up a massive farking oak tree and stacking the wood on the other side of the yard because, dammit, it has to be done before Monday rolls around because that's when the guys are coming to fix the roof, and then I complain about being tired, and you tell me I don't know what tired means because I don't have children? fark you.

"You'll die alone."
We ALL die alone. Most people pass very suddenly, and many times very unexpectedly (like Elvis, while taking a dump). Having kids is no guarantee against being lonely or neglected in old age or getting to die surrounded by loved ones holding hands. Besides, there are things called spouses, friends, and relatives that remain intact even if you don't have children of your own.

"You'll regret it."
We ALL regret some choices we've made. Some people even (gasp!) regret their decision to have children. I will likely never summit Everest or deep-sea dive. But I can appreciate those who have (and see their photos and videos). If I ever do regret my choice to not have kids, it will be far easier to live with than the reverse.

I understand that kids can get out of control in public places. But what bothers me is when parents make no effort to correct it. If your kid spins around in their booth and stares at me while I'm eating, forgive me if I'm not amused. That's your cue to say, "Billy, turn around and mind your business". It shouldn't get to the point when I'm (in my imagination) starting to reach for their throat.

cgraves67: As a parent, I agree that there are a lot of bad parents in the world, but a lot of the ones people complain about, do the things they do because it is what works. You can go into parenting with a basic plan on how to handle feeding, clothing, and disciplining a child, but raising a child is similar to combat in the sense that, once engaged, all planning goes out the window. You simply have to do what works, even if the people around are annoyed or disapprove.

That's where you lost me. If the people around you are annoyed or disapprove, what you are doing is not working and you need to do something else.

There are always exceptions, such as if you HAVE to have your child with you while you're grocery shopping (because who expects you to get a babysitter just to run errands?) and your child HAS to have a meltdown, okay, you have to deal with both problems at once as best you can.

But if your child is having a meltdown at a "family" restaurant, that is not okay and it's time to teach your child the basic rules of society. How you do that is up to you, but if people if you try talking to your child or threatening them and others are still annoyed and disapprove of their behavior, try something else until they stop being annoyed and disapproving. That's how you know what you're doing is working.

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Non-breeder here, so take this with the appropriately sized grain of salt.

It's more than fear. It's making the connection between choices and their consequences. The child can choose to behave or misbehave and you've made it quite clear that there are consequences as a result of that choice: a nice trip out and about or...something, hopefully physical pain (j/k). But the sooner children learn this, the better adjusted they become to society and the faster they can move on to learning other social skills. You and Mercutio74 seem to be doing a great job, so keep it up!

For a non-member of the club, you seem to have quite a good understanding of it.  I remember the halcyon days of pre-parent me hearing everyone and their uncle say that kids are "testing their boundaries" yadda yadda yadda.  Not only is that true, but I always assumed it was a sub-conscious thing on their part...  nope, the little farkers consciously and with full knowledge of what's expected and what's taboo test the boundary of what they can get away with.  All the time my daughter will go to do something "bad" (like unplugging a piece of electronic equipment I'm using, for example)... but before she does, she'll pause, look right at me and smile like she's a Bond villain about to explain her whole plan to James Bond before retiring to the next room waiting for him to die in an elaborate and inefficient manner.

All she wants is to be noticed, told she's being a poop (yeah, well, she's four, I'm not going to call her a little shiat... that'll have to wait until she's at least 8-10 yrs old) and then she'll move on with her life.  More often than not, it looks to me that most kiddie misbehaviour is just kids wanting to be acknowledged and also bump up against the maximum amount of what they can get away with.  It becomes problematic when the kids never find a boundary.  And that's why this generation of parents suck... a sizeable number don't get that.

Girl Pants: Seems like everyone wants to be in public, but not actually encounter any people.

I don't think I can put it any better.
It's unfortunate, though, that public contains a number of people who should not be allowed out in public.

cgraves67: As a parent, I agree that there are a lot of bad parents in the world, but a lot of the ones people complain about, do the things they do because it is what works. You can go into parenting with a basic plan on how to handle feeding, clothing, and disciplining a child, but raising a child is similar to combat in the sense that, once engaged, all planning goes out the window. You simply have to do what works, even if the people around are annoyed or disapprove.


No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy.

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

I stopped reading after she started biatching about Facebook. If Facebook has that much influence on your life, then you need to forget about having a child. You need to seriously re-evaluate yourself and your priorities first.

Everyone driving slower than you is an idiot and everyone driving faster is a maniac.

Have a 17 month old, so I'm really getting a kick...

1. Parents Post Too Many Photos of Their Children on Their Facebook Walls
No, that's a definite problem in some cases.  A normal parent posts pictures of their kids at a reasonable rate.  A kid gets a plate of spaghetti over every part of their body (except their nose.  How the hell does that always happen?!), funny.  300 pictures of a kid looking at the dog is annoying.  Naked pictures of kids shouldn't be anywhere near facebook, because there are a lot of farked up people online.
2. Control Your Children in Restaurants/2a. The Sheer Mess that Some Kids Make When Out to Eat is Astounding
I hope nobody is dumb enough to take a kid who isn't at least elementary school aged to a moderately nice restaurant.  I'm not talking Applebees, but anything where prices are written as "9.5" for something that costs $9.50.  If you go to Bob Evans and complain about kids, then you're eating at the wrong place.  If you go to Chuck E Cheeses and complain about kids, you are a moron.
3. My Biggest Complaint Are the Parents Who Play the "Shy" Card on Behalf of their Children
Agreed,  My daughter waves at nearly everyone, but there are people she won't.  I could tell them that my daughter thinks they might be looney toons, but I'll refrain and fallback on the shy escape.
(side note:  Why do crazy people like to come up to babies and talk to them?  Wait, no, I don't want to hear the answer.
4. I Hate the "You Don't Understand" Parents
I don't know who I want to punch more here, the blogger or the people who do this.  Yes, some people think that having a pet goldfish named Bill makes them qualified to be parents (and some take that a step further), but parents have to understand that people don't know what having a kid is like until they actually have kids.
5. No One Wants to Watch a Video of Your Child that is Longer than 12 seconds Long
Most people don't have an attention span.  If it's a constant stream of funny, then anything longer is fine with reason.  If you have to wait for the payoff (kid carrying around plate of spaghetti, drops it on dog), then tell people when it happens in the video.

This is actually more a depressing commentary on the state of societal attention spans.
6. I Get Irritated When Parents Blabber on about Being So Busy
In my experience, parenting is like how flying an aircraft in combat has been describes.  2 hours of boredom, followed by 5 minutes of sheer terror.  You can do a lot in those two hours.  Besides, the blogger is right, it's no fun to hang out with single friends who make derisive comments about kids, when all you want to do is make comments about said friend dying alone.
7. I Most Hate That They Fall Into What We Call the "Baby Hole." Why Can't Anyone Get a Damn Babysitter Anymore?
If you have to pay for a babysitter every time that you want to go out, one of two things has occurred.  1)  You have no local relatives/friends who love babies.  I feel bad for you, because that sucks, or 2)  You've made awful choices in life, and consequently nobody wants to deal with you or your kid.
8. I Don't Like When Spouses Start to Call Each Other "Mommy" and "Daddy." That's Just Creepy
Yeah, that actually can get creepy.  Especially when there are no kids around.
9. What Really Annoys Me Is When Parents Yell at their Kids But Never Get Out of Their Chair and Deal with the Kid
You could sit your kid down, and in a stern voice, tell them that their behavior is unacceptable, and they must cease and hahahaha nevermind, that doesn't work with anyone below school age.  No, you get off your ass, pick up your kid, and do whatever it is you need to to keep the kid from being a brat.  Don't beat your kid, no, that will lead to your kid beating their kids, etc.  Just don't be a passive dipshiat.
10. My Biggest Pet Peeve Is 'You Can't Imagine How Tired, Frustrated, Pain, Etc. Unless You've Had a Child
fark no.  People fight fires, build buildings, and jump out of perfectly good airplanes without a kid.  That's dumb.  Blogger should feel dumb.

1)  Non issue, unfriend or hide their posts if you don't want to see facebook pics
2)  I typically don't go to restaurants that are designated "family friendly", I've seen unruly kids and parent's who refuse to control them (or take responsibility for their crotch fruit) at most establishments I've patronized.  Why should everyone else have to suffer because you refuse to take responsibility for your child?
2a)  I don't care how messy your table gets while eating, just as long as it doesn't come over to my table when I'm eating.
3)  I don't care if your child is paying attention to me or not, I'd prefer if your child was "shy" (or just anti-social)
4)  What's there to understand, it's your child, you are legally responsible for them, so maybe take some responsibility for raising them, and correcting behavior that is negative towards other people and society?
5)Again, I don't care how long a video of your child is...why is she griping about this...
6)Again, I don't care how busy you are, if you don't want to hang out with friends, that's your choice, but if you never make time for people, they won't be your friends forever (but that's on you, I highly doubt you're that special snowflake you think you are, and that they're sulking because they can't hang out with you)
7)  Kind of goes with #6, but one of my peeves if parent's who bring their infants to bars or weddings or movies, is your 9 month old baby going to really remember or have any sort of enjoyable experience at a wedding?
8)  Calling someone "mommy" or "daddy" is creepier than most other pet names, stop trying to justify that it's just as creepy as other pet names people have
9)  This is ridiculous, "yelling" at your kids is not the end all solution to correcting bad behavior, if you need to get your fat ass up and deal with them, then do it.  If they are not listening to what you say, then you need to use other tactics (such as physically correcting the problem, if they're throwing something, take it away for example).  This reminds me of dog owners who think that they can "reason" with their pet, yelling may or may not work, if it doesn't, then you need to physically intervene.
10)I agree with this point, when it comes to family and friends, if you don't want to be around parents or kids, don't be.  But at the same time, why would you need to "repopulate" the Earth?  Do you realize we humans are breeding at exponential rates, and the Earth will eventually be unable to sustain all of us?  Do you also realize that there are a lot of situations where people who do not know you, are forced to be in a situation with your crotch fruit, so bottom line, take responsibility for your legal responsibilities.

FTA: "6. I Get Irritated When Parents Blabber on about Being So Busy - Oh, honey. We're not that busy. When you manage to fold in taking care of a child into your full time job, we parents become excellent time managers. I manage three kids, writing for two sites, consume 30-40 hours of media each week, and still find time to hang out with friends. If we are "too busy" to hang out, it just means that we think that changing diapers and reading Where the Wild Things Are is more fun than hanging out with you."

Wait . . . by saying "consume 40 hours of media" (aka. watching TV on the couch), this person believes they're busy?

FTFA:2a.The Sheer Mess that Some Kids Make When Out to Eat is Astounding - Yeah. That's why we go out, dumbass. We just paid $7 plus (a very generous) tip for a crappy grilled cheese sandwich so we wouldn't have to deal with that mess.

What?  You paid SEVEN WHOLE DOLLARS for a meal at a sit-down restaurant?  Well holy shiat lady, I didn't realize you paid seven dollars!  By all means, please allow your demon spawn to throw his food all over the place, including onto my neighboring table, and make a giant wet mess for the waitress to clean up!

Tip:  If you're at a restaurant and feel that the price for the food is outrageous enough that your child should be given permission to do anything he wants, you have to realize that the other customers are ALSO paying the same prices and should be just as entitled to whatever THEY want, including not having their meal disrupted.

FTFA: We can't spank them because you childless hippie liberals have taken that away from us.

Why am I not surprised that the author couldn't resist unnecessarily including her political affiliation in the article, as well as doing it in an intentionally offensive manner?

//Just got back from a week vacation in Vancouver. Thank you expensive health plan and the $30 co pay for my vasectomy!

Who greenlit this shiat?

/Time to give the HERO tag a mercy killing.

So, if you want to avoid us, go to a nicer damn restaurant or go after the kid's bedtime.

I've done both, and the shiatty parents* a) Don't care about their kids bedtimes and b) Don't care about their kids, so they'll eat wherever they want.

*shiatty parents being the ones that have done a shiatty job raising kids. Most parents I know are great parents.

Final comment: If you walk into a restaurant and there's a big container with boxes of 2-3 crayons on the hostess stand - don't expect perfect silence.

On the other hand, if you see a martini bar and no crayons, you're good to go.

If you see a martini bar AND crayons, please email me the address....

willfullyobscure: It's really, really important to remember that, especially with small children, that you are not dealing with a miniature adult.

While true, people give this way more power than they should.  In many ways, a huge part of the problem is people forget you ARE dealing with a miniature human, just not a miniature adult.  You're just dealing with a human that is acting almost entirely on hormones and has not yet learned that overriding hormones leads to positive results.  The problem people tend to forget is biologically, children are still miniature humans.  Sleep, food choices, exercise, it's just harder to convince a child what needs to be done and to encourage them to do the right thing when the right thing is unpleasant.  Too many parents let the child do what they prefer to do, act like it's "just how kids are", and then act shocked when their child exhibits entirely predictable behavior, behavior that's reinforced into subconscious reflex through repetition.

Your child is crying all the time because he's either unhealthy, in pain, or you've trained him to do that by reinforcing that hormone response.

Marcus Aurelius: How about this: if you've never raised a child, STFU.

How about this no. I will piss biatch and moan about your undisciplined  uneducated, unintelligent, ugly little bastards until they grow up and are old enough to suck my cock. Then I will spank one out to their nasty girls gone wild pictures and videos they post to Reddit or Facebook.

Well, Dustin is definitely menstrual, whether he's a she or she's a he.

I never understood the general biatching about other people having the *gall* to post or talk about things that you don't find interesting.
Sure, if they trap you with an extended conversation about their own interests, they're a dick.  But that's completely unrelated to what the interest is.

And if they're posting it online... why not just ignore it?  How hard is that?

Hero : schmeero.

Hero tag needs to go on hiatus for a while.

Have not seen a HERO tagged article containing an actual HERO in days.

Unless they've changed the definition from:

he·ro noun \ˈhir-(ˌ)ō\
plural he·roes

Definition of HERO
1
a : a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability
b : an illustrious warrior
c : a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities
d : one who shows great courage
2
a : the principal male character in a literary or dramatic work
b : the central figure in an event, period, or movement
3
plural usually he·ros : submarine 2
4
: an object of extreme admiration and devotion : idol

Examples of HERO
He returned from the war a national hero.
the hero of a rescue
She was a hero for standing up to the government.
His father has always been his hero.
He has always been a hero to his son.
A motto of his hero, Thomas Edison, is inscribed on a favorite sweatshirt : "To invent you need a good imagination and a pile of junk." -Britt Robson, Mother Jones, May/June 2008

To:

he·ro noun \ˈhir-(ˌ)ō\
plural he·roes


Definition of HERO
1
a : your average person who has not conclusively been proven to have ever raped a child or kicked a puppy, unless they deserved it
b : a person who says something you allegedly though of before / agree with
c : a man admired for his not being too huge of a pussy in the face of possible snark
d : one who shows great indifference
2
a : the principal male (or female) character in a vampire, zombie, or science fiction movie
b : the central figure of a porno
3
:sammich
4
: teacher who has not yet been caught farking their students

Examples of HERO
He returned from the war and found his friend who stayed home and worked at McDonald's was a hero.
the hero of freestyle bong smoking
She was a hero for standing up to the grocer for selling her a bag of prewashed salad with a bug in.
His father's stock broker has always been his hero.
He has always been a hero to the kids on his ice cream truck's route.
A motto of his hero, The Dude, is inscribed on a favorite sweatshirt : "Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here." -anon. Farker, any time, any place.

Give it a rest.

Mercutio74: We have plenty of ways to make our kids behave without thrashing them or inducing some kind of cruelty... if your kid is misbehaving it's probably because you don't follow through on your correction of their behaviour and they know you're full of shiat.

Rule Number 1 of Children: If people consistently complain about your child's behavior, and you don't see the problem, either you're a jerk yourself, or your child is like every other child and learned how to manipulate you long before they can pronounce the word "manipulation".

Parents aren't taking their kids to nice restaurants because we don't want to waste our money on something the kid is going to push around his plate, throw at his sister, or complain about.

Bullshiat they aren't. Rich parents take their spoiled-rotten kids to extremely nice restaurants all the time. And let them run around the place as if it were Chuck E. Cheese. On the other hand, I've seen plenty of kids who are perfectly well-behaved at restaurants. Mostly they're Asian and Hispanic kids. You never see those kids riding around in a stroller at age five, either.

servlet: Congratulations, you've mastered one of the most basic biological processes. Pardon me while I stop the world to celebrate how amazing you are because you figured out how to procreate.

I mean, I like kids and all, but can we seriously stop this ridiculous sense of superiority that some (admittedly not most) parents have just because they worked out how to produce offspring?

I have figured out how to do it.  I also figured out how to avoid procreating while 'practicing'.

This whole article smacks of a woman who had kids too early and is pissed off that her friends got to enjoy their 20's while she was pregnant and could not.  One of the things I have noticed with my friends is that the ones who got married younger and had kids right away after getting married are the ones like this woman, who complain about the single friends, or childless couples.  While two friends who got married in their early 30's and waited a couple years to have kids were able to adjust much faster because they were established in their lives and careers.

Also, the ones that got married early are significantly more likely to post inane pictures of their kids eating food, playing with the dogs or sleeping.  Those pictures usually get a response from my wife with another vacation photo from France, Germany or Egypt.

Coco LaFemme: When my sister and I were real little, if either of us acted out of turn in public, my parents would yank our butts out of wherever we were and we'd go straight home. It only happened to me twice that I can remember, and I'm sure if I ask my mom, she'll say it was a lot more than that. They never hit us, or even spanked us, never yelled and screamed at us, but we knew - if they take us out somewhere, anywhere....and they tell us to mind our manners, be quiet, sit still, any of that....we had better do it, no questions asked.

Hee hee.  I do a variation of that sometimes.  If we're in a store that I hate, like Walmart (yes, I know all about Walmart, my wife doesnt. care. one. bit.) and the kid starts misbehaving I'll pull out the, "If you don't start behaving we'll go sit in the car and wait for Mom to finish shopping."

I can't lose with that one.  I'll either have a well-behaved kid or I get to go play Temple Run 2 in the car instead of wander aimlessly through a retail wasteland like some pack mule of woe.

Sounds like someone wasn't ready for motherhood.

Carn: That's why we go out, dumbass. We just paid $7 plus (a very generous) tip for a crappy grilled cheese sandwich so we wouldn't have to deal with that mess.

The person who wrote that should have her head smashed in with a ball-peen hammer.

THIS.  I am quite offended that she said this.  Regardless of what restaurant we go to, I consistently tell my kids to clean up after themselves.  I may not have to clean it, but someone does

fta 4. I Hate the "You Don't Understand" Parents - But, here's the thing: You don't understand.

and

4. I Hate the "You Don't Understand" Parents - But, here's the thing: You don't understand.

Oh, and

4. I Hate the "You Don't Understand" Parents - But, here's the thing: You don't understand.

abadabba: Dont worry parents, non breeders will non breed themselves out of the population in a few generations.

Just like gays, amirite?

I wonder if people truly understand how unimportant we really are in the grand scheme of things.

MycroftHolmes: This list was about as fair and objective as most anti-parent rants.  I have no problem with it.  Was the blogger a little vitriolic, sure, but that is probably a reaction to a lot of the 'I shouldn't have to be slightly inconvenienced for your decision to breed' self centered attitude that is so prevalent.

Pretty much this. Few things are more irritating than a kids freaking out in public, but since I'm not a kid myself I just farking deal with it. This mom's a lot of things, wrong not among them.

abadabba: Dont worry parents, non breeders will non breed themselves out of the population in a few generations.

The wealthy and comfortable tend to be the K-strategists. Poor folks will always be more numerous.

abadabba: Dont worry parents, non breeders will non breed themselves out of the population in a few generations.

Unfortunately.  Self-centered, entitled, whiny non-breeders grow up to become self-centered, entitled, helicopter breeders.

Dont worry parents, non breeders will non breed themselves out of the population in a few generations.

I refuse to accept the term  "non-breeder" in any way, shape, or form.

Two things about airplanes:

1) Parents, is it really too much to ask that you knock your kids out with some Children's Benadryl? (Or maybe ask your doctor if there is a sedative suitable for children). Assuming you only fly a few times a year, your child is not going to become an addict.

2) One time I was moved from my aisle seat at the front of the plane to a middle seat at the rear of the plane so a mother could sit with her two school-age children. Hell yeah that pissed me off. I resisted for awhile, but eventually gave in out of courtesy to the other passengers.  You've got a lot of nerve, lady! And you suck, flight attendant!

"Sir ,or Miss...the considerate thing for you to do at this very moment is for you to take your child outside until he/she calms down".

that is all.

ignore me at your peril. if you want you kid to go home repeating every swear word in my arsenal, I can play the "who can be more inconsiderate" game with you.

Damn, this could have been a good one.  Sorry I'm late to the derpfest.

I feel qualified in commenting on other peoples kids, as I spent 4 years raising (at the start) 2 and 3 year old.  (not mine, long story, fark off)

I have only one important comment.  If you have children, and they make a mess at dinner YOU ARE A BAD PARENT.  If you then take your kids to a public eatery and let them make a mess there, YOU ARE A BAD HUMAN BEING.  If you then say something even remotely like "that's why we went out", you are... going to get punched.

I'm an adult, I have no children (by choice), I have a lovely wife, she has no children (by choice).  I don't want to see your kids, hear your kids, deal with your kids.  There is no excuse what so ever for parents to take their kids out in public if the kids can't behave as adults do.  If you can't teach your kid properly, I want you to understand, this is not my farking problem, and I will make sure you know it.  I can't tell you how many times I've had a nice dinner interrupted by a child misbehaving.  I am paying these nice people so that I don't have to cook.  If your kid can't behave in public, YOU DON'T GET TO farkING TAKE THEM IN PUBLIC.  Do you get that?

I'm so tired of self righteous coonts whose only accomplishment was to get pregnant, bringing their dirty, noisy, disrespectful shiat makers into public spaces and then throwing up their hands and saying things like "kids, what are you going to do "

I'll tell you, the next time I hear that, I'm going to bend the kid over my leg and beat his ass.  I might consider doing it to the mother as well.

I agree with the overall sentiment of the article, but there were a lot of clues that tell me the author is a biatch. I have two kids, 7 and 4. I have never allowed them to make a mess at a restaurant, no matter how big of a tip I plan to leave. From day one I made a show of staying tidy and if the kids dropped anything they were corrected and assisted in cleaning up after themselves. When they were old enough, I explained how rude it is to leave a mess. The youngest has had noisy meltdowns and one of us takes him to the car until he's calm. You need to teach your kids not to be rude little dicks lest they end up biatching about breeders on Fark or writing shiatty blogs.

THX 1138: Surpheon: people who nostalgically (from a white, upper middle class upbringing) view the 60's as being like Leave it to Beaver.

I have absolutely no clue where he nostalgically reminisced about the '60s as being like Leave it to Beaver, but it must be there somewhere if you're making it such a main part of your argument.

Surpheonis not making it a main part of the argument, but a simile to explain the meta-concept.  I shall attempt to clarify, since it is already fairly obvious.

Umad is taking a fairly unrelated topic and cramming his "I hate gubbmint" dick in the mashed potatoes, in this case by claiming "I was raised just fine without all that there dangol' Gubbmint Intervention and Welfare State Spendin'!  I'm an island!  Why ain't you Welfare Queens islands?"

Doing the MATH, that means  umad must have been a child of the 50s or 60s and pretty much and adult by 1972.  Doing the social studies, that meanshe (she?) has the rose-tinted viewpoint that life back in ye olden days of 1950-1969 was just fine for everyone.  It is a viewpoint that is delusional and a trope best exemplified by Leave it to Beaver and the false nostalgia associated with Leave it to Beaver.

Or to put it really simply; nostalgia is bullshiat, before welfare programs children died or grew up criminals a lot more.

Though oddly enough they spent less time in prison, because we didn't have all those non-violent drug offenders doing lifetime sentences.

What I got out of this was "being a parent sucks and anyone who doesn't have kids doesn't understand this and needs to stfu."  No, that's precisely why some of us don't have kids, so we understand perfectly.

One thing that bothers me about this topic when it comes up is the parents who actually expect that people are not going to look at their children when they're screaming/crying/making a scene.  Some parents get really upset about people looking their way when a loud, disruptive commotion is coming from their kids, as if it's totally unnatural for people to draw their attention to it.  This whole "don't you dare look at us when my kid cries" thing is really ridiculous.  Most of us "non-breeders" don't possess the tune out ability that parents seem to acquire.  It's no different than if I'm on the streets of a city and some homeless, crazy drunk is ranting obscenities at the wind.  People are naturally going to look, then realize he's a crazy and avoid eye contact as you quickly try to get out of there.

umad: Bumblefark: Still a fairly recent parent myself. I don't begrudge people getting irritated when a child is acting out in public. I don't want to be around that anymore than they do (and nobody understands that better than my own children, for what it's worth).

But, I still find amazing is the sheer number of people that get *preemptively* annoyed, in a a very demonstrative manner, simply by the presence of a small child or some fleeting moment of (god forbid) childlike behavior (e.g., the plaintive, world-weary sigh when me and my daughter sit down next to you in a public place).

Still waiting for some poor sucker to overstep his bounds, and throw his little adult-tantrum in a way that my kid actually notices. Because, at that point, I'm pretty sure I'm going to lose my shiat...in a very demonstrative manner.

You are looking for an excuse to lose your shiat on someone because your comfort in public is obviously more important than theirs, so they need to STFU and deal with it. Yet you wonder why people are "preemptively annoyed" with you?

Here is your typical parent everybody.

...no, I said they need to not act like a jackass simply because my daughter sits down next to them in a public place. The implication was that rules of public courtesy apply even to small children in those spaces. And, yeah, if you decide to be rude to my kid simply for existing, I'm going to make your life a hell of a lot less pleasant in return. I'd do the same even if it wasn't my kid, because you're just human garbage...

...But, go ahead and be preemptively retarded about what I wrote, snowflake.

umad: There was a farking baby at the midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises during the Aurora shooting. Do you think those people would have any issues with dragging their baby along to a 5-star restaurant?

I doubt anyone who does this can afford to eat at a 5 start restaurant. It's unlikely that they are employed at all.  If they do happen to be employed well I have it on good authority that those 'special' employment centers that sell washer toss games and whatnot don't pay very well.

Friendly's restaurant is a great place to eat if you like listening to screaming babies and toddlers.

ITT: parents being defensive about being unfairly criticized then saying things like;

"You will die alone."
and
"People without kids are fat losers who play WOW in their mother's basement."

I sure hope your spouses are better role models for your children.

umad: That is fine with me. I suppose you will be fine with us eliminating any programs that didn't exist at the time our parents were raising us as well, which is a shiatload of them.

Go ahead and list 'em out. Try to grasp a bit of reality, or at least respect the big Newt-Clinton welfare ax that fell in the 90's - depending when you were raised, it is entirely likely there was MORE spending on children ('welfare queens' were rare but not extinct in the 70's 80's and early 90's).

Most of the budget growth has gone to defense spending, not child benefits.

Still a fairly recent parent myself. I don't begrudge people getting irritated when a child is acting out in public. I don't want to be around that anymore than they do (and nobody understands that better than my own children, for what it's worth).

But, I still find amazing is the sheer number of people that get *preemptively* annoyed, in a a very demonstrative manner, simply by the presence of a small child or some fleeting moment of (god forbid) childlike behavior (e.g., the plaintive, world-weary sigh when me and my daughter sit down next to you in a public place).

Still waiting for some poor sucker to overstep his bounds, and throw his little adult-tantrum in a way that my kid actually notices. Because, at that point, I'm pretty sure I'm going to lose my shiat...in a very demonstrative manner.

Seems to me that this has taught me that everyone, breeder or non-breeder, sign up to social networks and go to social places and are then very angered when they encounter other human beings.

If you add someone on Facebook, did you not expect them to post pictures of their kids/food/vacation/etc?

If you go to a restaurant, did you not expect other people to actually be there, living their lives?


Seems like everyone wants to be in public, but not actually encounter any people.

THX 1138: So, can non-parents get back the extra taxes they paid (taxes which go toward schools & children's programs) that they were unable to deduct for no reason other than the fact that they didn't have children?

Just as soon as they give back all the taxes their parents didn't have to pay plus interest. I'll just assume they didn't sponge up 12 years of free education too, because then complaining about paying for it now would just be Republican-scale hypocrisy. (And if you went to school in the 80's, well just try a quick Net Present Value calculation on how much you have to pay back considering historic discount rates.)

Economically, tax breaks are given to the child and paid back tenfold over that child's lifetime. And you, as entitled a snowflake as you are, still owe so pay the fark up. (If you're an immigrant, it's the fee you pay to come here.)

onzmadi: Meh She has some valid points..especially about the resturant thing. I take my kid out so I dont have to cook and clean. Also if you choose to eat at a "Family"  dining establishment why are you judging parents who bring their families you non-breeding hipster douchnozzles.

Seems like the childless ones  are out in force in this thread, but it is FARK so you know you have to move out of your mom's basement to have kids

I like how you and the author are both acting like we are talking about "family restaurants" when you know damn well that we aren't. There was a farking baby at the midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises during the Aurora shooting. Do you think those people would have any issues with dragging their baby along to a 5-star restaurant?

Seems like the childed ones are out in force in this thread and are ignorant as hell.

It's funny how some people assume that not having kids is the result of the fact that someone couldn't get knocked up.

I'm pretty sure I've put more thought and care into ensuring I won't have kids than most people do into having them. All anyone wants, regardless if you have a kid or not, is for people to act responsible for their choices.

blindio: That should help(.) They don't owe you anything either.  No quarter asked, none given.

I missed a period in a parenting thread.  I find that amusing.

Meh She has some valid points..especially about the resturant thing. I take my kid out so I dont have to cook and clean. Also if you choose to eat at a "Family"  dining establishment why are you judging parents who bring their families you non-breeding hipster douchnozzles.

Seems like the childless ones  are out in force in this thread, but it is FARK so you know you have to move out of your mom's basement to have kids

umad: 3. My Biggest Complaint Are the Parents Who Play the "Shy" Card on Behalf of their Children - If we say that our child is "shy," when our child is being quiet or ignoring you, we're just trying to be nice. In reality, it's because you are a scary looking person who children immediately distrust and we don't want to hurt your feelings by telling you that. Please, don't make this about our kid. Instead, ask yourself why that kid doesn't seem to be acting "shy" around other grown-ups, then take a good hard look in the mirror, and remove those giant f***king rubber things from your earlobes because you look like a creepy hipster.

Is this supposed to make me feel bad? I hope your farking kids are terrified of me. In a perfect world, they would run in the opposite direction until they die of exhaustion.

We don't want your damned kids to like us. We want them to be invisible and inaudible, until they are old enough to act like human beings.

No, she is saying that if the kid acts shy, and the parent says he is just shy, don't lecture the parent on how to raise a kid who isn't shy. This doesn't apply to people like you who do not want to interact with the kid, just the ones who crowd a kid, and then act offended when the kid acts frightened or reserved.

CrazyCracka420: Do you realize we humans are breeding at exponential rates,

Human "breeding" rate has been dropping since 1963 and most demographers expect it to naturally go negative in our lifetimes (and that's assuming no disasters push it along). But that's just, you know, documented reality - don't bother to put your latte' down, I know you have to finish it up before heading to the gym in 26 minutes.

3. My Biggest Complaint Are the Parents Who Play the "Shy" Card on Behalf of their Children - If we say that our child is "shy," when our child is being quiet or ignoring you, we're just trying to be nice. In reality, it's because you are a scary looking person who children immediately distrust and we don't want to hurt your feelings by telling you that. Please, don't make this about our kid. Instead, ask yourself why that kid doesn't seem to be acting "shy" around other grown-ups, then take a good hard look in the mirror, and remove those giant f***king rubber things from your earlobes because you look like a creepy hipster.

Is this supposed to make me feel bad? I hope your farking kids are terrified of me. In a perfect world, they would run in the opposite direction until they die of exhaustion.

We don't want your damned kids to like us. We want them to be invisible and inaudible, until they are old enough to act like human beings.

I have no kids but I helped two of my three sisters, extensively, to raise their kids. (four in all) Changing diapers, going to school functions, the whole business hell I even talked to my oldest nephew about the birds and the bees so any know it all parent tries that high ground shiat on me is in for it. Having said that every last thing on that list is a legitimate complaint. My policy was you act up in a restaurant or movie we leave immediately no exceptions. Maybe I lucked out but after the age of like 5 the children understood this and acted accordingly. As opposed to when they were out with their mothers and they would act like farking drunk goblins terrorizing them and anyone unfortunate enough to be within sight and earshot. My point being most kids will do anything and everything you allow them to, its in their nature to test limits. This is where the parents lose this argument. I have seen plenty of families with well behaved, considerate children of all ethnicities, economic levels and religions. Fark it my point is if you say you can't control your kids in public that is a failure on your part not theirs. If can't corral the them then you have no business taking them in public or even having them in the first place probably.

Now cue the mom brigade to tell me how I don't know shiat because I was smart enough to use contraception and they weren't.

MrSteve007: Lusiphur: I think the author is kind of a moron, but I do agree with the family restaurant comment. If you voluntarily go out to eat at a family restaurant, you deserve all the hell that is piled upon you. You want a nice dining experience, go to a nice restaurant. Otherwise, STFU, whether you have children or not.

But what would you qualify as a "family restaurant?"

Chucky cheese & McD's? Sure, I can see that. Places like the Olive Garden? I'll give it a pass. The problem is when parents qualify any area that serves food, is less than $50 a plate, and allows people under 21 as a "family restaurant."

Just because you can take your 2-foot-tall screaming terrorist to an affordable steakhouse, on a Friday night, doesn't mean you should.

THIS. I read this in TFA and was like, "So because I don't want to deal with annoying kids, I'm not allowed in burger or pizza places that are withing my meager income?"

I think she must have made her point.  Her stated premise for the article was to show "non-breeders" how annoying and petty it looks like when people biatch about your choice to have, or to not have, kids.  At least that's what I took away from it.  And while she had some valid statements, she exaggerated them intentionally applied the complaints as a stereotype to everyone without children.  Just the way people in threads just like this one lump kids into one stereotype.  Here's the thing, My daughter is great most of the time, but sometimes she goes a little crazy, gets headstrong and belligerent and won't listen to calm instruction and I have to go further.  Maybe I could break her of this, maybe I could force her to behave all the time, but then what would I be left with?  I don't want her to be some whiny, milquetoast assbag who spends all their time biatching about how poorly other people's kids behave.  Sometimes even good kids misbehave, it's because of the developmental cycle of the human being that they need to spend several years (sometimes more than 20) learning to fit into society.  Everyone goes through it, and one thing I can say is that anyone who says they *never* did any of these cardinal sins of being a kid is a liar (or has conveniently forgotten what a PITA they were as a child), and maybe the reason they're such self righteous pricks today is because their parents thought it was more important that they not be embarrassed in public than it was to make sure their children grew up to be good people.

So breeders want acknowledgement for all their hard work? OK, fine, here you go



/get over it

UberDave: ItsJustJake: There are idiots on both sides. I've seen idiot parents, and I've seen idiot childless people, and each side also has good representation as well.

I control my child, and do it well. No tantrums, no outrageous behavior - she knows it's not allowed - and because of that, she's generally very well behaved. If words are required or a scene starts, Outside We Go until it's over.  PS - she's also good on airplanes, but that doesn't stop people from giving us dirty looks when we bring her on the plane. Don't assume how anyone will act in any situation. Judge them all by their actions, not by what you THINK their actions might be.

A few months ago, my wife and my two-year old go into a seat-yourself cajun place sometime after the lunch rush.  There were plenty of open tables and we picked the one furthest away from anyone.  Not long after we order and get our drinks, this youngish (mid-20s) couple comes in and sits at a table directly adjacent to ours (even though there were plenty of other's available).  My wife adjusted some of the things in front of my son and he made a brief 1/2 second loud-ish whine about something she was moving and I immediately stopped it and corrected his behavior...quietly.  The girl at the adjacent table looks over, flashes this annoying look, then quietly says something to her boyfriend and they move to one of the many available tables further away.

Some people are douche bags no matter what.

I vastly prefer the company of 2 year olds, even ones that a little fussy, to mid 20 year olds.  By a large margin

willfullyobscure: Guairdean: At this age (2-3) that is not appropriate. That is frank emotional abuse and should be avoided as a parenting technic. You need to wait until the child is capable of reasonably and clearly expressing himself, and can carry on a meaningful conversation about the topic at hand- usually that's 4 or 5 years old. At that point is is appropriate to be corrective; younger than that and it's abusive.A  child at that age is perfectly capable of understanding the word "No", and that there are consequences for bad behavior. Failing to teach a child how to behave is abusive.

Of course they are, but they are not capable of advanced reasoning or knowing right from wrong anymore than a dog is. The key is knowing that they will grow up to know right from wrong. If all you tech them atthis age is that expressing themselves is greeted with a physical blow, they will be fearful and bunged up when they get older. Like teaching a dog not to bark by hitting it- you may get peace and quiet, but it makes for a miserable, screwed up animal. Teach it not to bark with a mix of rewards and consequences.

You don't need to beat a two year old. No one does.

People that can't tell the difference between a swat and a beating have serious emotional issues. Please get these straightened out before you start raising a child.

neversubmit: It's not that you are a breeder, it's that you are an asshole.

Score!

jigger: This tumblr has been making the rounds. Is this kid typical or is he just a little biatch? I vote little biatch. Honestly, I don't think I could handle this little fark without choking him out.

http://reasonsmysoniscrying.tumblr.com/

The actual answer to all of those is "I'm taking his picture instead of parenting so I can try to look cool on the Internet".

willfullyobscure: Guairdean: jigger: This tumblr has been making the rounds. Is this kid typical or is he just a little biatch? I vote little biatch. Honestly, I don't think I could handle this little fark without choking him out.

http://reasonsmysoniscrying.tumblr.com/

The answer is simple. Put him in a corner on a stool and let him cry. If he's still crying when he stands up, swat him and put him back on the stool. If he turns around and he's still crying, swat him and turn him to the corner. It won't take him long to learn.

At this age (2-3) that is not appropriate. That is frank emotional abuse and should be avoided as a parenting technic. You need to wait until the child is capable of reasonably and clearly expressing himself, and can carry on a meaningful conversation about the topic at hand- usually that's 4 or 5 years old. At that point is is appropriate to be corrective; younger than that and it's abusive.

A  child at that age is perfectly capable of understanding the word "No", and that there are consequences for bad behavior. Failing to teach a child how to behave is abusive.

kumanoki: bluenote13: This whole article smacks of a woman who had kids too early and is pissed off that her friends got to enjoy their 20's while she was pregnant and could not.  One of the things I have noticed with my friends is that the ones who got married younger and had kids right away after getting married are the ones like this woman, who complain about the single friends, or childless couples.  While two friends who got married in their early 30's and waited a couple years to have kids were able to adjust much faster because they were established in their lives and careers.


There are a couple of gems in that woman's diatribe, but I've found that 'older' parents (people who waited into their 30's for whatever reason) seem to be able to handle the stress of child rearing better. My wife and I had our son when I was 34. Sure, I miss going out with the guys on occasion, but it's not a burning need for me to party until 3am anymore.

Our childless friends are usually in their thirties and have an understanding of our lives work. We get together, dinner nights and such, usually after the boy is in bed, or we take turns going out to social events. It's doable.

My wife and I got married at 19, I am a proud step-father of the son she had when she was 17. When we got married we understood that the beginning of our marriage was going to be taken up with child rearing. We had a second child. They are both in their late teens now. We expect them to be out of the house in college in the next few years, and then we can enjoy time to ourselves and we can help our kids out with what they need.

The idea that having kids later in life can somehow make someone a better parent is false. It really boils down to if you want kids or not.

The woman in this article sounds like she regrets having kids. She doesn't sound like someone I would want to watch my children as anyone that attacks others about child rearing in such an abrasive manner really needs to get a grip on themselves and their children.

Raising kids is hard. People are assholes when your kids act up. If you react with grace and understanding your kids will see how you acted and try to follow suit. If you run around acting like an entitled asshat every time someone comments on your kid being noisy your kids are going to grow up just like you. Now, ask yourself if he kids are self entitled, where do you think they got that from?

wow, 127 comments and no one has mentioned this blog article is a direct response to http://www.stfuparentsblog.com/  ?

Sad... because i visited that site and it's basically the exact same type of biatching that this blog is biatching about...

But keep calling the blogger a self entitled parent because you people hate children...

equusdc: Crewmannumber6: neversubmit: It's not that you aren't a breeder, it's that you are an asshole.

FTFY
Choosing to live your life wrapped in self absorption doesn't make you a better person.

Spending 20-30 years producing a self-replicating swarm of mini-mes is about the most self-absorbed act humanly possible.

Not really it's just going with the flow of biological urges and societal pressure, they did what they were told.

Slaves2Darkness: Marcus Aurelius: How about this: if you've never raised a child, STFU.

How about this no. I will piss biatch and moan about your undisciplined  uneducated, unintelligent, ugly little bastards until they grow up and are old enough to suck my cock. Then I will spank one out to their nasty girls gone wild pictures and videos they post to Reddit or Facebook.

I can't decide if I should collapse in laughter or recoil in horror.  You sir, are a King amongst men.

maxx2112: FTFA:  2.Control Your Children in Restaurants - Look, if you see a kid at a restaurant, more times than not, it's because you've chosen to go to a "family" restaurant, and "family" often means loud-mouthed litte (sic) brats.

9.What Really Annoys Me Is When Parents Yell at their Kids But Never Get Out of Their Chair and Deal with the Kid - Well, how are we supposed to "deal with it"? We yelled at the kid, didn't we?


biatch, please.  Your parents would have handled this shiat.  Why can't you?


/ When I was a kid, a "time out" meant my dad took time out of his busy day to whip my ass.

Ah simpler times. Now instead of being able to correct a child right away you gotta argue and converse with a small child that most likely doesnt understand what your talking about anyways. For the hours of yelling and crying and biatching it causes, in the end its probably easier on both child and parent to just smack the kid already.

nope it makes you a criminal now. So people got the bright idea to use chores as punishment. Now youve got childeren that are actually afraid to work, like its some kinda punishment.

Sometimes a backhand is the easiest most effective solution.

Guairdean: jigger: This tumblr has been making the rounds. Is this kid typical or is he just a little biatch? I vote little biatch. Honestly, I don't think I could handle this little fark without choking him out.

http://reasonsmysoniscrying.tumblr.com/

The answer is simple. Put him in a corner on a stool and let him cry. If he's still crying when he stands up, swat him and put him back on the stool. If he turns around and he's still crying, swat him and turn him to the corner. It won't take him long to learn.

At this age (2-3) that is not appropriate. That is frank emotional abuse and should be avoided as a parenting technic. You need to wait until the child is capable of reasonably and clearly expressing himself, and can carry on a meaningful conversation about the topic at hand- usually that's 4 or 5 years old. At that point is is appropriate to be corrective; younger than that and it's abusive.

Missicat: Am I the only one who laughed my (child-free) a** off after reading this?  Seriously lady, switch to decaf.

This.

Have you ever considered just sitting down with your children, and simply hitting them?

As a parent of 6 kids (hers mine and ours) ranging form 8 to 28, the article is dead on.   Like it or not.

Hey now, children are the future. Specifically, the future strippers who will lap dance for me in 20 years.

WOW people compalin about the dumbest shiat.

Parents Post Too Many Photos of Their Children on Their Facebook Walls  - unsubscribe to their feed then idiot.  Trust me, you wont miss anything.

Control Your Children in Restaurants - Annoying shiat is happening around you everyday, learn to block out distractions.  What, you're still listening to your S/Os nagging?

I Get Irritated When Parents Blabber on about Being So Busy - If someone is "blabbering on" about shiat you're not interested in, excuse yourself from the conversation.  Take a fake phone call, claim you forgot to pick up your brother from psychotherapy, whatever it takes.

I Don't Like When Spouses Start to Call Each Other "Mommy" and "Daddy." That's Just Creepy. - Then cut off all ties to those creapy farks!!

/Childless
//Played "step dad" to a four year old for one year.  Glad that shiat's over.
///Ya, ya, I'm sure it's different when the little farker is your own.

She makes a point about restaurants. We only ever frequent family restaurants with our little one, and only ever before 6pm. If you really have to broadcast your panty-twistedness over not being able to hear yourself think at 5:00pm on a Saturday at Chili's, then friend, you've got much bigger problems than your precious little snowflake eardrums.

namegoeshere: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: If I go to Applebee's or The Cracker Barrel and there's some kid screaming his head off two tables over then I shrug and accept it.   You expect to see that kind of thing in a family restaurant.  But if I'm at a nicer resteraunt then I get real annoyed, real quick with screaming toddlers.

That's the problem right there. Hell no you shouldn't expect to see it. The parent should leave with the child if the child can't handle eating there. "But I paid for this farking grilled cheese..." Tough shiat. Teaching your child to behave in public should be worth more than a lousy grilled cheese sandwich.

/parent

I should say, the one exception to this is Chuck E Cheese. Fark that place. Let 'em scream.

would you like some cheese with that whine?

jigger: This tumblr has been making the rounds. Is this kid typical or is he just a little biatch? I vote little biatch. Honestly, I don't think I could handle this little fark without choking him out.

http://reasonsmysoniscrying.tumblr.com/

It's perfectly normal for that age to experiment with emotional and social response to stimuli. A child that age is about as smart as a Jack Russell terrier, but the key is that he is getting smarter by the day. There's a very wide range of intellectual and emotional response we have to learn to produce that we think of as unconscious reactions, but are really very high-order learned behavior. Some kids default to crying, some to hitting, some to laughing or screaming, some to other types of reactions. For all we know he's crying in happiness .He'll be out of this stage in another 6 months as his repertoire and range of response and social understanding grows.  It's really, really important to remember that, especially with small children, that you are not dealing with a miniature adult. You are dealing with a very complex, very fast-changing human brian that is not filled with the baggage we pack along as adults, and children do not at all see the world as we do.

Also, bear in mind that you're seeing a few minutes, at most, out of 14 hours in a day, which I bet are far more normal than this blog link would suggest. It's bathetic and droll, but please don't read too much into it- the page of photos was created for artistic effect, I'm sure its not representative of the child's normal life.

FarkinNortherner: If I hear one more non-breeder complain about a parents failure to "control their kid" based on that one shiatty little brat they saw throwing a tantrum in the middle of Wal-Mart, I'm going to go apoplectic. For every tantrum-throwing little sh*t, there are 300 well-adjusted children who don't have to be removed from a situation, and yet it is this complaint that is most often cited.

Non sequitur much? We aren't complaining about the children who aren't throwing a tantrum.

/non-parent
//active godisafairytalefather to 6 year old

Wow, this one kid sure does get around.

If your kid is not a spoiled turd and is throwing a tantrum in the middle of Walmart, it's probably because YOU  dragged a kid who was tired and cranky or not feeling well and probably missed his nap into Walmart.

/99% of the time I suspect it is the latter.
//When I'm tired and cranky I want to throw a tantrum in Walmart.

Sharksfan: Mandatory CSB - once we were out at our local family bar and pub.  We were nearly done when a family walked in and sat down next to us.  Their kids were hellions and they kept getting yelled at.  My wife glanced over at their mom and said "here, you can have these, we are done with them" and gave her a couple of our coloring books and a small box of crayons.

Hellion children immediately changed into normal quiet kids - because they had something to do.

All hail Mrs. Sharksfan, sublime game-changer of troublesome situations.

/not sarcastic
//very appreciative

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: If I go to Applebee's or The Cracker Barrel and there's some kid screaming his head off two tables over then I shrug and accept it.  You expect to see that kind of thing in a family restaurant.  But if I'm at a nicer resteraunt then I get real annoyed, real quick with screaming toddlers.

There is a distinction from kids making noise, running around, jumping on furniture, etc (things kids do), and a kid having a full on melt down.  If I am at a family place, I accept that kids will run around, and sometimes (gasp) even interact with me uninvited.  But I would still consider it bad manners and bad parenting if your kid is going full on fukishima and you just ignore it.

PanicMan:

I refuse to accept the term  "non-breeder" in any way, shape, or form.

I do. Proudly.

namegoeshere: Am I the only one who has ever left a restaraunt with a toddler who couldn't handle it? That one pisses me off. No I will not put up wil my kid acting like a little monster in public, "family friendly" or not. This chick does not speak for all of us.

I only had to do this once. At a pizza hut. I forget how old my daughter was... almost 3 I think. We were meeting friends of my wife's and their 2 kids for dinner. The other couple had a 4 and 1 year old, I think and the 4 year old had some small toys that my daughter kept grabbing. I took her outside for about 10 minutes. When I came back in the pizza was there and the rest of dinner was fine.

Any other problems we had were when she was still in diapers and needed to be fed or changed. Easy fixes.

tricycleracer: someonelse: Mugato: Wow, that is one obnoxious biatch.

Think about why you assumed the author was female. Then feel bad about yourself.

Right there in the header: "drolly written by a mother ".

Reading comprehensi-burn

someonelse: Mugato: Wow, that is one obnoxious biatch.

Think about why you assumed the author was female. Then feel bad about yourself.

Right there in the header: "drolly written by a mother ".

Crewmannumber6: neversubmit: It's not that you aren't a breeder, it's that you are an asshole.

FTFYourself
Choosing to live your life wrapped in self absorption doesn't make you a better person.

Assumption of self absorption makes an ass out of you.

9. What Really Annoys Me Is When Parents Yell at their Kids But Never Get Out of Their Chair and Deal with the Kid - Well, how are we supposed to "deal with it"? We yelled at the kid, didn't we? We can't spank them because you childless hippie liberals have taken that away from us.

Go piss up a rope.

If I go to Applebee's or The Cracker Barrel and there's some kid screaming his head off two tables over then I shrug and accept it.  You expect to see that kind of thing in a family restaurant.  But if I'm at a nicer resteraunt then I get real annoyed, real quick with screaming toddlers.

Crewmannumber6: PanicMan: I refuse to accept the term  "non-breeder" in any way, shape, or form.

But you have no compunction call people 'breeders'

Only if that's your job description.  Do you breed horses?  Then you're a breeder.

Do you have kids? Then you're a parent.

namegoeshere: Am I the only one who has ever left a restaraunt with a toddler who couldn't handle it? That one pisses me off. No I will not put up wil my kid acting like a little monster in public, "family friendly" or not. This chick does not speak for all of us.

When my sister and I were real little, if either of us acted out of turn in public, my parents would yank our butts out of wherever we were and we'd go straight home.  It only happened to me twice that I can remember, and I'm sure if I ask my mom, she'll say it was a lot more than that.  They never hit us, or even spanked us, never yelled and screamed at us, but we knew - if they take us out somewhere, anywhere....and they tell us to mind our manners, be quiet, sit still, any of that....we had better do it, no questions asked.

servlet: Congratulations, you've mastered one of the most basic biological processes. Pardon me while I stop the world to celebrate how amazing you are because you figured out how to procreate.

I mean, I like kids and all, but can we seriously stop this ridiculous sense of superiority that some (admittedly not most) parents have just because they worked out how to produce offspring?

Exhibit A as to why some people, like this blogger, feel attacked and respond with venom.