Sums up Republicanism. I don't like it, therefore, it should be illegal.

Oh.  He opposes funding for sex change operations.  Yeah, I tend to feel like that's something you should pay for yourself.  Stupid argument as to why he opposes it though.

He's obviously barking up the wrong tree

He refers to himself as a "boy", he's from Georgia. I'm guessing he calls his father "Daddy" and thinks that's normal.

As to whether gender reassignment is supposed to be covered under insurance, this is one of those things where people bleat on about their tax dollars. I'm going to pay the same in taxes as I would either way so I don't give a shiat.

This is the guy who's a lock to be the next governor of Georgia, right?

But what if you enjoy being a girl?

Well, the whole republican mindset is that of the adolescent who read ayn rand and now thinks he knows how everyone should live. Also having an immature view of gender identification issues fits right in.

CPennypacker: serial_crusher: Oh.  He opposes funding for sex change operations.  Yeah, I tend to feel like that's something you should pay for yourself.  Stupid argument as to why he opposes it though.

Why shouldn't insurance cover it? Its under the umbrella of valid treatments for gender identity disorder which is right smack in the DSM.

Gender Identity Disorder?  Send them to a camp or something, amirite?

coeyagi: CPennypacker: serial_crusher: Oh.  He opposes funding for sex change operations.  Yeah, I tend to feel like that's something you should pay for yourself.  Stupid argument as to why he opposes it though.

Why shouldn't insurance cover it? Its under the umbrella of valid treatments for gender identity disorder which is right smack in the DSM.

Gender Identity Disorder?  Send them to a camp or something, amirite?

They just need to accept Jesus as their personal lord and savior.

Granny_Panties: Do Republican really think that if gay marriage is legal, therefore they MUST marry someone of the same sex?

Do Republican really think that if sex changes are funded, therefore they MUST get a sex change?

Do Republican really think that if guns are legal, therefore they MUST own a gun?

Do Republican really think that if abortions are legal, therefore they MUST get an abortion?

Do Republican really think that if a country has oil, therefore they MUST invade it?

These are silly questions, but Republicans don't seem to get the choice thingy very well.

Also:

Do Republicans really think that if being Muslim is legal in the U.S., they have to eat falafel?

Do Republicans really think that if violence and sex on TV wasn't legal that Tom Selleck and NRA advocate would have a career?

Do Republicans really think that if pornography was illegal that the incidence of sex crimes would be lower?

Do Republicans really think?

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CPennypacker: coeyagi: CPennypacker: serial_crusher: Oh.  He opposes funding for sex change operations.  Yeah, I tend to feel like that's something you should pay for yourself.  Stupid argument as to why he opposes it though.

Why shouldn't insurance cover it? Its under the umbrella of valid treatments for gender identity disorder which is right smack in the DSM.

Gender Identity Disorder?  Send them to a camp or something, amirite?

What? No. But if you have a plethora of tertiary mental health issues due to the fact that you are psychologically a woman but have male equipment, gender reassignment often helps. Why shouldn't that be covered if that's what the patient really wants? Its better than putting a bunch of band aids on the other mental health issues.

Then you must be against gun control too.

//and.... what I'm saying there is that gun control, while I wish was a silver bullet for the problem, doesn't address the societal ills that cause the mayhem.  I believe you're right here, but my many of my fellow libs and all of the conservatives seem to want to legislate guns (control or freedoms) rather than attacking the underlying problems.  I wish all legislate had a litmus test for root cause analysis instead of knee-jerk bandaids as you have astutely pointed out.

///just making a compare / contrast to illustrate the problem with most legislation, not aching for a gun thread.

WTF Indeed: The government shouldn't have to pay for sex change operations since that's the very essence of "elective surgery".

Is plastic surgery that fixes disfigurement an "elective surgery"? Because that's pretty much what it is.

Satanic_Hamster: Was...  Was anyone actually proposing that he get one?

From the party that swears liberals are pro-abortion, you know his pea brain thinks state-mandated sex changes are just the next step in the Obamalypse to come.

CPennypacker: coeyagi: CPennypacker: coeyagi: CPennypacker: serial_crusher: Oh.  He opposes funding for sex change operations.  Yeah, I tend to feel like that's something you should pay for yourself.  Stupid argument as to why he opposes it though.

Why shouldn't insurance cover it? Its under the umbrella of valid treatments for gender identity disorder which is right smack in the DSM.

Gender Identity Disorder?  Send them to a camp or something, amirite?

What? No. But if you have a plethora of tertiary mental health issues due to the fact that you are psychologically a woman but have male equipment, gender reassignment often helps. Why shouldn't that be covered if that's what the patient really wants? Its better than putting a bunch of band aids on the other mental health issues.

Then you must be against gun control too.

//and.... what I'm saying there is that gun control, while I wish was a silver bullet for the problem, doesn't address the societal ills that cause the mayhem.  I believe you're right here, but my many of my fellow libs and all of the conservatives seem to want to legislate guns (control or freedoms) rather than attacking the underlying problems.  I wish all legislate had a litmus test for root cause analysis instead of knee-jerk bandaids as you have astutely pointed out.

///just making a compare / contrast to illustrate the problem with most legislation, not aching for a gun thread.

You're acting like I think gender reassignment surgery should be forced for people with GID. I'm saying it should be covered if the patient wants it because it is an accepted way to address the mental health issues.

And yes, I am aware that a good portion of the trans community doesn't like it being classified as a disorder under the DSM, but that may be the only way it gets offered as an insurance covered option, which I think it should be.  Don't worry, I'm trans-friendly.

I don't see how you think I thought it should be forced on people with GID.  I am in agreement with you on the GID - that is should be available and covered in insurance.

I was just making a companion point about how most legislation does not address root causes - having GID treated with gender reassignment makes sense and can avoid other mental health issues like you said.

WTF Indeed: The government shouldn't have to pay for sex change operations since that's the very essence of "elective surgery". However saying you don't think they should be funded because "you like being a boy" is perhaps the most retarded argument against it ever.

Transition treatments, including surgery, are one of the MOST provably effective treatments for "psychological" disorders. Pre-transition suicide attempt rates are in the 40% range. Post-transition suicide rates are at or lower than general population averages (.8% vs. 1.6%, with a sample size of 2000).

Remind me again how it's elective?

Requiring insurance and/or Medicare/caid to pay for it would also reduce STD infection rates; a significant number of transgender individuals turn to sex work to pay for a surgery they otherwise could not afford. We tend to make far less than others in our fields, take pay cuts during transition, and/or can't find anything other than low-paying jobs because of bigotry. (There is a reason I'm not out as transgender to most of my office).

This is a safe, not-incredibly-expensive (roughly 30k including miscellaneous stuff insurance won't cover) that a very small percentage of the population needs. If everyone was willing to chip in $1 (caution: number pulled out of ass), we could potentially save dozens of lives.

machodonkeywrestler: Mugato: He refers to himself as a "boy", he's from Georgia. I'm guessing he calls his father "Daddy" and thinks that's normal.

What the FARK are you rambling about?

Spending time in the South and hearing rich grown men referring to their father as "Daddy". It just gets grating after a while.

WTF Indeed: Was this disfigurement caused by accident? Or was this something you were born with? Because the former isn't elective, the latter is.

So cleft pallet operations are elective, but breast reconstruction after breast cancer is not.

CPennypacker: coeyagi: CPennypacker: coeyagi: CPennypacker: coeyagi: CPennypacker: serial_crusher: Oh.  He opposes funding for sex change operations.  Yeah, I tend to feel like that's something you should pay for yourself.  Stupid argument as to why he opposes it though.

Why shouldn't insurance cover it? Its under the umbrella of valid treatments for gender identity disorder which is right smack in the DSM.

Gender Identity Disorder?  Send them to a camp or something, amirite?

What? No. But if you have a plethora of tertiary mental health issues due to the fact that you are psychologically a woman but have male equipment, gender reassignment often helps. Why shouldn't that be covered if that's what the patient really wants? Its better than putting a bunch of band aids on the other mental health issues.

Then you must be against gun control too.

//and.... what I'm saying there is that gun control, while I wish was a silver bullet for the problem, doesn't address the societal ills that cause the mayhem.  I believe you're right here, but my many of my fellow libs and all of the conservatives seem to want to legislate guns (control or freedoms) rather than attacking the underlying problems.  I wish all legislate had a litmus test for root cause analysis instead of knee-jerk bandaids as you have astutely pointed out.

///just making a compare / contrast to illustrate the problem with most legislation, not aching for a gun thread.

You're acting like I think gender reassignment surgery should be forced for people with GID. I'm saying it should be covered if the patient wants it because it is an accepted way to address the mental health issues.

And yes, I am aware that a good portion of the trans community doesn't like it being classified as a disorder under the DSM, but that may be the only way it gets offered as an insurance covered option, which I think it should be.  Don't worry, I'm trans-friendly.

I don't see how you think I thought it should be forced on people with GID.  I ...

I don't think we were arguing.  I think I made a sarcastic remark responding to your post, you responded, I responded, you responded thinking I disagreed with you, I responded saying I wasn't, you responded wondering if we were arguing, and I am telling you that we're not.

No, I want to take long walks on the beach.  Fark Party in Wildwood, NJ this weekend?