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2013-04-09 02:02:41 AM

rohar: sendtodave: rohar: I have never raped or plundered even though I'm apparently predisposed to such shenanigans.

Oh, you're missing out!

Nothing stirs the blood like a good rape, followed by plundering, and rape.

Lo before me I see my mother and father.
Before me I see my sister and brother
...and the call to me, from the halls of Valhalla
asking "What the fark is wrong with you, you socially acceptable Vike!?":


I'm getting this mental image of you...
 
2013-04-09 02:04:24 AM

BarkingUnicorn: rohar: sendtodave: rohar: I have never raped or plundered even though I'm apparently predisposed to such shenanigans.

Oh, you're missing out!

Nothing stirs the blood like a good rape, followed by plundering, and rape.

Lo before me I see my mother and father.
Before me I see my sister and brother
...and the call to me, from the halls of Valhalla
asking "What the fark is wrong with you, you socially acceptable Vike!?":

I'm getting this mental image of you...


Dammit, image too large 'cause it's animated;  here.
 
2013-04-09 02:05:24 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Philbb: I find the conservative backlash a bit odd since it seems that conservatives are the ones that talk most often about the old days when people knew each other and you couldn't get away with anything in front of any neighborhood parent because they talked with your parents.

I'm not certain what your concern is here; conservatives appreciate the coherence of organic communities,


Professor Melissa Harris-Perry said pretty much the same thing and is being attacked for it.
 
2013-04-09 02:11:10 AM

rohar: Do I think people have value? That's a really personal, subjective question. Total strangers on the other side of the world have no value to me. My only child has a lot.

Funny thing, if your government sponsors attacks on foreign lands killing those that "have no value" their friends and family might get a little cranky and do something stupid like fly a 747 into a building. Ain't you happy as hell your son wasn't in that building?


Yes, I am.  But I know he's going to die anyway.  "'Tis a fearsome thing to love that which is touched by Death."  Very old tombstone in a Long Island cemetery I visited as a teenager.

So if these strangers have no value to me, then I prefer that my government either leave them alone or kill them all.  The choice matters not to me.
 
2013-04-09 02:12:04 AM

BarkingUnicorn: BarkingUnicorn: rohar: sendtodave: rohar: I have never raped or plundered even though I'm apparently predisposed to such shenanigans.

Oh, you're missing out!

Nothing stirs the blood like a good rape, followed by plundering, and rape.

Lo before me I see my mother and father.
Before me I see my sister and brother
...and the call to me, from the halls of Valhalla
asking "What the fark is wrong with you, you socially acceptable Vike!?":

I'm getting this mental image of you...

Dammit, image too large 'cause it's animated;  here.


The interesting bit (for me, maybe not the rest of you) is that I actually am second generation Norwegian American and dad was military.  We were stationed in Germany for a bit and I used to drink right down the street from where that video happened.

/Smuggler's Inn, good times
//rum and coke never tasted as good anywhere else
 
2013-04-09 02:14:57 AM

rohar: The interesting bit (for me, maybe not the rest of you) is that I actually am second generation Norwegian American and dad was military. We were stationed in Germany for a bit and I used to drink right down the street from where that video happened.


Huh. I'm half Norwegian on Dad's side, but the Italian dominates my looks.  Used to wear a headband. When people asked if I was Native American I'd reply, "Absolutely; born & raised in Chicago!"  That puzzled the Indians.
 
2013-04-09 02:21:08 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: I suppose you'd prefer that I "put in" slavish obedience, or at the very least active resignation to the fact that my individual liberties are incrementally slipping away year after year -- in order to get what in return, exactly? What I want more than anything is to be free to live my life as I see fit. What exactly is it that you want the State to do with my life, by contrast?


Holy shiat I love extremes.  So, for entertainment, let's go to the other extreme.  Let's disband the state completely!  We'll get rid of all laws and regulations all together.  There will be no oversight.

The simple result is that I club you, disassemble the important bits and wind up in a tree eating soup out of your skull.

If we want to get complicated, I'm gonna have to revitalize the American mayonnaise industry.  I know, it's a lot of work.  Seems to me there's still a lot of houses on the market due to the glut.  Many of them have swimming pools.  Given the destruction of the of state, I have to take things into my own hands.  I shall fill all of these pools with mayonnaise.  I'll use only American made mayo, such is the temper of my patriotism.  Then I'll find the finest American made cinder blocks and tie them to all of the anti government types' ankles and toss them in.  Helman's will make a mint, and we'll be done with your sort.

Or we could continue on with what we've got.  Maybe even try and improve it when we can.  Whatdya think?
 
2013-04-09 02:23:21 AM

BarkingUnicorn: rohar: The interesting bit (for me, maybe not the rest of you) is that I actually am second generation Norwegian American and dad was military. We were stationed in Germany for a bit and I used to drink right down the street from where that video happened.

Huh. I'm half Norwegian on Dad's side, but the Italian dominates my looks.  Used to wear a headband. When people asked if I was Native American I'd reply, "Absolutely; born & raised in Chicago!"  That puzzled the Indians.


Somehow I smelled it after your last post.  Either part Norske or Marine. 

Now, where the fark is the lutefisk!?
 
2013-04-09 02:23:39 AM

Philbb: I'm not certain what your concern is here; conservatives appreciate the coherence of organic communities,

Professor Melissa Harris-Perry said pretty much the same thing and is being attacked for it.


Attacking people over their choice of words is political sport; Fark has an entire tab devoted to it.

In this case, I don't see many attacks on the speaker.  I see a fascinating discussion of what she said.
 
2013-04-09 02:25:54 AM

rohar: BarkingUnicorn: rohar: The interesting bit (for me, maybe not the rest of you) is that I actually am second generation Norwegian American and dad was military. We were stationed in Germany for a bit and I used to drink right down the street from where that video happened.

Huh. I'm half Norwegian on Dad's side, but the Italian dominates my looks.  Used to wear a headband. When people asked if I was Native American I'd reply, "Absolutely; born & raised in Chicago!"  That puzzled the Indians.

Somehow I smelled it after your last post.  Either part Norske or Marine. 

Now, where the fark is the lutefisk!?


In Scandinavia, far from here; thank the FSM!
 
2013-04-09 02:29:59 AM

Satanic_Hamster: cameroncrazy1984: Mrtraveler01: Satanic_Hamster: And here we have what Fark Mods would consider a perfect thread; shiat on beyond belief by troll accounts.

This was never a good thread. The topic was incredibly stupid.

We might as well have just posted pictures of ponies, it's just as productive.

Oh now you've gone and done it.

fark yeah.
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Did someone say ponies?  I think some motherfarker just said ponies...

i75.photobucket.com


i75.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-09 02:35:25 AM

maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government


Wow you are either really stupid, or an amazing troll.  I am going with really stupid.

Did you teach your child everything he knows?  Did you keep him safe every second he was alive?  Did you personally feed him every single drop of food he ever ate?  If not, then your argument is completely invalid.  The "Community" raised your kid far far more than you did as he spent significantly more time as a child with the "Community" than he did with you.  Does that make you a bad parent or even a bad person.. nope.  Being a dumbarse who gets angry over concepts he cannot comprehend makes you a bad person.
 
2013-04-09 02:35:28 AM
Its truel   The state owns your ass.  Even Elvis got drafted.

2wheeltuesday.com
 
2013-04-09 02:38:04 AM

Kazrath: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

Wow you are either really stupid, or an amazing troll.  I am going with really stupid.

Did you teach your child everything he knows?  Did you keep him safe every second he was alive?  Did you personally feed him every single drop of food he ever ate?  If not, then your argument is completely invalid.  The "Community" raised your kid far far more than you did as he spent significantly more time as a child with the "Community" than he did with you.  Does that make you a bad parent or even a bad person.. nope.  Being a dumbarse who gets angry over concepts he cannot comprehend makes you a bad person.


The fun part is that he doesn't realize the HE was part of the community that kept his musician friend going! :-)
 
2013-04-09 02:39:36 AM

BarkingUnicorn: rohar: BarkingUnicorn: rohar: The interesting bit (for me, maybe not the rest of you) is that I actually am second generation Norwegian American and dad was military. We were stationed in Germany for a bit and I used to drink right down the street from where that video happened.

Huh. I'm half Norwegian on Dad's side, but the Italian dominates my looks.  Used to wear a headband. When people asked if I was Native American I'd reply, "Absolutely; born & raised in Chicago!"  That puzzled the Indians.

Somehow I smelled it after your last post.  Either part Norske or Marine. 

Now, where the fark is the lutefisk!?

In Scandinavia, far from here; thank the FSM!


There's plenty of lutefisk here in my neighborhood, but it's all being horded until the Syttende Mai parade.
 
2013-04-09 02:40:57 AM

BarkingUnicorn: rohar: Do I think people have value? That's a really personal, subjective question. Total strangers on the other side of the world have no value to me. My only child has a lot.

Funny thing, if your government sponsors attacks on foreign lands killing those that "have no value" their friends and family might get a little cranky and do something stupid like fly a 747 into a building. Ain't you happy as hell your son wasn't in that building?

Yes, I am.  But I know he's going to die anyway.  "'Tis a fearsome thing to love that which is touched by Death."  Very old tombstone in a Long Island cemetery I visited as a teenager.

So if these strangers have no value to me, then I prefer that my government either leave them alone or kill them all.  The choice matters not to me.


This is the part where I'm hangin out on fark and everyone hates me.  I understand this.  I know this.  I cannot explain this.

Thank you for stating what I could not.  I love my son as my father loved me.  Between dad and I, we've been through 7 foreign engagements.  I hope and pray my son never has to, but if that is what is demanded, so be it.  As military from a military family, we don't often care who the enemy is, simply that they're destroyed.

In my old age, though, I'm realizing that we get to pick and choose our enemies.  Maybe we shouldn't pick so many?
 
2013-04-09 02:51:11 AM

rohar: BarkingUnicorn: rohar: Do I think people have value? That's a really personal, subjective question. Total strangers on the other side of the world have no value to me. My only child has a lot.

Funny thing, if your government sponsors attacks on foreign lands killing those that "have no value" their friends and family might get a little cranky and do something stupid like fly a 747 into a building. Ain't you happy as hell your son wasn't in that building?

Yes, I am.  But I know he's going to die anyway.  "'Tis a fearsome thing to love that which is touched by Death."  Very old tombstone in a Long Island cemetery I visited as a teenager.

So if these strangers have no value to me, then I prefer that my government either leave them alone or kill them all.  The choice matters not to me.

This is the part where I'm hangin out on fark and everyone hates me.  I understand this.  I know this.  I cannot explain this.

Thank you for stating what I could not.  I love my son as my father loved me.  Between dad and I, we've been through 7 foreign engagements.  I hope and pray my son never has to, but if that is what is demanded, so be it.  As military from a military family, we don't often care who the enemy is, simply that they're destroyed.

In my old age, though, I'm realizing that we get to pick and choose our enemies.  Maybe we shouldn't pick so many?


In simple terms of resource expenditure, we should avoid quarreling with others or on behalf of others.  I would advise my son not to let anyone make such demands upon him.

But a second-generation military guy might have a problem doing that, especially if his son admires his military career.  I've had to explain to my son why he should not do what I did; it's awkward.
 
2013-04-09 02:55:00 AM
So, when I say "It takes a village...", I'm a communist now?
 
2013-04-09 03:05:03 AM

Lawyers With Nukes: So kiddo, you think you own that business you started, that little lemonade stand on the corner?

Scratch that...you think you own that body you occupy right now? Oh really?

Sure, you made it from scratch, but someone else had to help you out to get it started.
And who grew the food you ate all your life? Who regulated the food producers, to ensure it was safe and nutritious?
Who built and regulated the roads, so that food could get to market, and land on your dinner table?
And who took care of that body you when it got sick? Who regulated the healthcare industry, and subsidized student loans so that doctors could get trained?
Who defended your body from physical harm, when imaginary brown people, pissed-off by years of US foreign policy, came to blow it up?
And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so you know the score, you own nothing, not even yourself. "We" own everything.

AND WE OWN YOUR ASS.


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2013-04-09 03:06:22 AM

BarkingUnicorn: In simple terms of resource expenditure, we should avoid quarreling with others or on behalf of others. I would advise my son not to let anyone make such demands upon him.

But a second-generation military guy might have a problem doing that, especially if his son admires his military career. I've had to explain to my son why he should not do what I did; it's awkward.


Took a long time to get here, and honestly I didn't know where I was going when I entered this thread.  But this is the hardest and quite possibly the most profound thing I've seen here today.

People can talk all they want about how a child should be raised.  Meanwhile they're voting for chuckleheads that are itching to go to war with damned near anyone.  I spent at least one lifetime at war.  My childhood and my early adult years all went to war of some sort or another.

Bring me a village, they'll never know how farking hard it is to explain the amazing things we did in Kuwait and Kosovo to a son, and then follow it up with "I'll be damned if you're ever allowed to participate in such folly"

I'm headed to Bothel shortly.  I need lutefisk.  Comfort food sooths the soul.  That and I'm still kinda cranked up about the mayonnaise thing.
 
2013-04-09 03:09:24 AM

hinten: So, when I say "It takes a village...", I'm a communist now?


Can we take a close look at what she actually said?

""We have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we've always had a private notion of children, your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. We haven't had a very collective notion of these are our children."

Public education doesn't get enough tax money.  That's because taxpayers don't think other people's children belong to them and aren't their problem.

"So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities."

We have to convince the public that all kids belong to the public. Good farking  luck with that!

"Once it's everybody's responsibility and not just the household's we start making better investments."

Once we sell this lie to the public, we can tax the shiat out of the public for public education.

Frankly, that would be rather terrifying if her little plan was possible.  But it's just preposterous.

She's either a horrible communicator who's been justifiably misunderstood or a flaming crackpot.
 
2013-04-09 03:09:38 AM
MSNBC knows how to really tweak their noses.
 
2013-04-09 03:26:38 AM

BarkingUnicorn: "So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities."

We have to convince the public that all kids belong to the public. Good farking luck with that!



Education of all children is to the benefit of the whole society. Your uneducated and unemployed children are a detriment to me and society as a whole.
 
2013-04-09 03:27:14 AM
clancifer: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

2/10. Needs more creationism.


Yeah it was passable and obvious at the same time. So close!
 
2013-04-09 03:30:20 AM
Bashir and O'Donnell spend half their shows trying to provoke this kind of reaction.
Figures this guy would make up something about the weekend host no one sees.
 
2013-04-09 03:34:25 AM
rohar:

Bring me a village, they'll never know how farking hard it is to explain the amazing things we did in Kuwait and Kosovo to a son, and then follow it up with "I'll be damned if you're ever allowed to participate in such folly"

Just change the word "amazing" to something more consonant with "folly."

But that is the really hard part, isn't it?  The soldier (you past) does not want to admit that he spent so much time doing folly.  The son (you past) does not want to admit that the Dad he adores spent his life doing folly (in the past).  Yet the father (you now) believes it's true.  I don't envy you.

I thank the FSM that I have no family traditions to bind me to the past.  I believe that the past does not exist, nor does the future.  There is only now.  Action is possible only now.  I act as I am now, not as I or anyone was in the past.
 
2013-04-09 03:49:03 AM
It takes a village....
 
2013-04-09 03:58:52 AM

hinten: BarkingUnicorn: "So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities."

We have to convince the public that all kids belong to the public. Good farking luck with that!

Education of all children is to the benefit of the whole society. Your uneducated and unemployed children are a detriment to me and society as a whole.


Are you a professor, author, and TV host?  No, I wager.  Yet you communicate this rational line more effectively than the woman in the video, who is all of those things.  How could she be so incompetent?

Or else she meant exactly what she said.  She said "belongs to" three times. I find it preposterous that such a practiced speaker is unaware of that phrase's connotation of ownership.  I also find it odd that she let this video air without reviewing it and requiring editing of anything she didn't mean.

So I conclude she is an overconfident crackpot who has done her cause harm with this video.  "Children belong to the community" ranks right up there with "legitimate rape" as a cause-killer.

There's another possibility:  a much longer interview was edited by a crackpot who took foolish delight in making the "belong to" sentence the centerpiece of this video.  There are a lot of cuts in those 30 seconds.
 
2013-04-09 04:07:46 AM

BarkingUnicorn: She said "belongs to" three times.


You belong to the Church of Scientology.
I belong to the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes.
He belongs to the Good Sam Club.

No ownership involved.
 
2013-04-09 04:25:26 AM
Typical collectivist tripe and when somebody raises an objection to it just pretend they're being silly and unreasonable rather than... Actually attempt to understand what they are saying and why it is or is not valid.
 
2013-04-09 04:28:24 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: BarkingUnicorn: She said "belongs to" three times.

You belong to the Church of Scientology.
I belong to the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes.
He belongs to the Good Sam Club.

No ownership involved.


That's another connotation.  I think Scientology proves my point more than yours.  Funny that you listed it first.
 
2013-04-09 04:40:29 AM

BarkingUnicorn: She's either a horrible communicator who's been justifiably misunderstood or a flaming crackpot.


Most people in this thread had no trouble discerning the fairly benign and unremarkable message there, and RedState's histrionics hardly qualify as an example of "justifiable misunderstanding".
 
2013-04-09 04:41:27 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: They don't until the real rich people that live on the mountains above the village tell the villagers to send their sons (and now daughters) off to die somewhere over there yonder.


Those would be bi-partisan rich people.
 
2013-04-09 04:44:38 AM

rohar: EvilRacistNaziFascist: I suppose you'd prefer that I "put in" slavish obedience, or at the very least active resignation to the fact that my individual liberties are incrementally slipping away year after year -- in order to get what in return, exactly? What I want more than anything is to be free to live my life as I see fit. What exactly is it that you want the State to do with my life, by contrast?

Holy shiat I love extremes.  So, for entertainment, let's go to the other extreme.  Let's disband the state completely!  We'll get rid of all laws and regulations all together.  There will be no oversight.

The simple result is that I club you, disassemble the important bits and wind up in a tree eating soup out of your skull.

If we want to get complicated, I'm gonna have to revitalize the American mayonnaise industry.  I know, it's a lot of work.  Seems to me there's still a lot of houses on the market due to the glut.  Many of them have swimming pools.  Given the destruction of the of state, I have to take things into my own hands.  I shall fill all of these pools with mayonnaise.  I'll use only American made mayo, such is the temper of my patriotism.  Then I'll find the finest American made cinder blocks and tie them to all of the anti government types' ankles and toss them in.  Helman's will make a mint, and we'll be done with your sort.

Or we could continue on with what we've got.  Maybe even try and improve it when we can.  Whatdya think?


Why do you want to drink soup out of a skull? Are you too good for solid foods? You could eat cereal out of a skull, or chili. Be creative,
 
2013-04-09 05:36:11 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.


Now all I can picture is an internment camp for children with high chain-link fences and one day a government representative shows up with a variety of guns and ammo, hands it all to the children - who have never even heard of guns before - and tells them to go outside and play.

Later that afternoon after the kids have (eventually) figured out how to load and shoot the guns, several kids are dead and the rest are traumatised he returns and takes all the guns away from them.

"Now you know why guns are evil, children - and why only the government can be trusted with them" he says as he leaves.

/I have a weird imagination
 
2013-04-09 05:53:35 AM
This sounds perfectly reasonable to those who reject the idea of personal responsibility and embrace the theory that there is no right or wrong.
 
2013-04-09 06:21:54 AM
Leave it to the "mouth breathers" to take a suggestion that neighbors looking out for each other's kids is government indoctrination of the children.  But then the strengthening of poorer communities is in direct opposition by default to the power base of the conservative movement.  It makes the poor and working class harder to divide and conquer politically and economically.
 
2013-04-09 06:24:30 AM
Libs, please stop. Just. Stop.
 
2013-04-09 06:31:06 AM
Note the original traditional saying Hillary appropriated and changed for her own purpose, "it takes a village to catch a child", is still as true as ever.
 
2013-04-09 06:33:12 AM
Yep, conservatives put this outrage over the airwaves on the same day that Rep. Mike Reynolds said that it is not the place of the government to give children an education (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/mike-reynolds-education_n_3 03 8157.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).

Which leaves me with the question:  Why do conservatives hate children so much?:
 
2013-04-09 06:47:44 AM

Alphakronik: Yep, conservatives put this outrage over the airwaves on the same day that Rep. Mike Reynolds said that it is not the place of the government to give children an education (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/mike-reynolds-education_n_3 03 8157.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).

Which leaves me with the question:  Why do conservatives hate children so much?:


He was talking about college and adults.  He supports K-12 public education.  He objects to being told "it's government's job/responsibility" to pay for college.  It may behoove government to help people go to college, but it is not government's obligation to do so.

My kid brought home a bulletin from one of his elementary school teachers that read, "Students are expected to bring in extra supplies for those who do not have enough."  I wrote back to her, "Try standing on the corner flying a sign that reads, 'Citizens are expected to give me a dollar' and let me know how you do."  We dumped our extra supplies in the donation box at the store, as we did the years before.
 
2013-04-09 06:49:36 AM

Alphakronik: Yep, conservatives put this outrage over the airwaves on the same day that Rep. Mike Reynolds said that it is not the place of the government to give children an education (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/mike-reynolds-education_n_3 03 8157.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).

Which leaves me with the question:  Why do conservatives hate children so much?:


Not all children, just the poor ones.  Because when poor kids get stuff like an education, they get all "uppity" and start thinking they are just as good as the kids from wealthy well connected families.  Then they wind up doing stuff like running for POTUS and winning.  Look at Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, and how they got all uppity and stuff.  Properly educating poor kids can be dangerous.
 
2013-04-09 06:49:46 AM
You mean in a community people often look after each other and the education of everyone's children is part of that?!?

What kind of radical nonsense is this!!


If I had a dime every time these idiots got outraged over something innocuous... Really, it must be exhausting getting outraged over every little thing that isn't in line with modern right wing dogma.
 
2013-04-09 06:53:55 AM
Conservatives should embrace this idea.  After all, if a child belongs to a community than it can easily be claimed that a fetus does as well.  And if that is the case than it is only fair that the community should have a say in determining whether or not a child is born in the first place so birth control options should be up to the community.  It would be unfair to deny the community their rights.  Those children and potential children belong to them.  And to ensure that the community has the best potential offspring to work with it is also essential that efforts are taken to sterilize undesirable portions of the population.  It is unfair to shackle a community with raising a child they don't want.

I don't agree with any of that.  I actually find it just as creepy as what this woman said.  Had she simply said "It takes a village" than sure I'd agree with her.  But she didn't say that. She said that children are the property of the community/state.  That's farking creepy as hell.

Why is it whenever a party is in power portions of its base suddenly become fans of Statism?
 
2013-04-09 06:59:40 AM

keylock71: You mean in a community people often look after each other and the education of everyone's children is part of that?!?

What kind of radical nonsense is this!!


If I had a dime every time these idiots got outraged over something innocuous... Really, it must be exhausting getting outraged over every little thing that isn't in line with modern right wing dogma.


The irony is that if you replace the word "community" with "church" the same people betting outraged would be "chest thumping" each other over the idea.  When in reality the "community" is sort of an inclusive extension of all the churches in the neighborhood as well as people who do not attend church.  It helps bring people of different faiths and backgrounds together for a common cause to make where they live a better place.

Well thinking of it that way, I can see why the "derpers" would be against it.  Next thing you know one of these "community organizers" might get crazy ideas and start running for office or something.
 
2013-04-09 07:04:02 AM

keylock71: You mean in a community people often look after each other and the education of everyone's children is part of that?!?


I mean, you don't have to, if you think you're good enough and you're fine with your kids being as good as or worse than you due to learning at best the stuff you know.

I would suspect that most people would at least hope that their kids might grow up to be better than them, though, so learning from people other than the parents is sort of necessary.

//If you're wondering what "as good as or worse than" your parents usually entails, look at the problems a home-schooled kid inevitably has upon leaving the nest that are complete non-problems to kids from some approximation of a public or public-equivalent schooling.  Homeschoolers can barely even communicate decipherably with other human beings for almost a solid year after finishing... some of the ones in my undergrad classes can't even follow basic logic, much less grasp differential equations.
 
2013-04-09 07:09:42 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Alphakronik: Yep, conservatives put this outrage over the airwaves on the same day that Rep. Mike Reynolds said that it is not the place of the government to give children an education (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/mike-reynolds-education_n_3 03 8157.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).

Which leaves me with the question:  Why do conservatives hate children so much?:

He was talking about college and adults.  He supports K-12 public education.  He objects to being told "it's government's job/responsibility" to pay for college.  It may behoove government to help people go to college, but it is not government's obligation to do so.

My kid brought home a bulletin from one of his elementary school teachers that read, "Students are expected to bring in extra supplies for those who do not have enough."  I wrote back to her, "Try standing on the corner flying a sign that reads, 'Citizens are expected to give me a dollar' and let me know how you do."  We dumped our extra supplies in the donation box at the store, as we did the years before.



Aww, now ya got me feeling bad.  Granted, I feel bad for your child having to be raised by assholes, but still, its upsetting.
 
2013-04-09 07:19:17 AM
Eh, I'm ok with not being involved with your ugly children.
 
2013-04-09 07:19:26 AM

Alphakronik: BarkingUnicorn: Alphakronik: Yep, conservatives put this outrage over the airwaves on the same day that Rep. Mike Reynolds said that it is not the place of the government to give children an education (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/mike-reynolds-education_n_3 03 8157.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).

Which leaves me with the question:  Why do conservatives hate children so much?:

He was talking about college and adults.  He supports K-12 public education.  He objects to being told "it's government's job/responsibility" to pay for college.  It may behoove government to help people go to college, but it is not government's obligation to do so.

My kid brought home a bulletin from one of his elementary school teachers that read, "Students are expected to bring in extra supplies for those who do not have enough."  I wrote back to her, "Try standing on the corner flying a sign that reads, 'Citizens are expected to give me a dollar' and let me know how you do."  We dumped our extra supplies in the donation box at the store, as we did the years before.


Aww, now ya got me feeling bad.  Granted, I feel bad for your child having to be raised by assholes, but still, its upsetting.


Yeah, I felt bad about leaving him with an asshole teacher, too, but what could I do?
 
2013-04-09 07:20:07 AM

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


I guess grammar wasn't a big part of your homeschooling curriculum.
 
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