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2013-04-08 09:32:37 PM  

Cheesus: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.


Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common refrain among their friends who were almost all teachers. I heard what the teachers thought about the kids first hand, and believe me it was not what you would want to believe. I think that the problem arises from the fact that the teaches spend their whole life in academia, beard stroking themselves and convincing themselves if they only had control what a utopia this world would be. My Uncle on the other hand was and is a staunch conservative and taught his students that Capitalism is the best form of economics. He also taught them that Lincoln arrested owners of papers, Supreme Court Justices, stole bank accounts and ignored the constitution. All of which about Lincoln is true. And yes school kids need parents help, blame Johnson, he made it so if a baby was born to a couple they could not recieve any government assistance, so led to the break up of the low income families, Johnson despised blacks by the way, called them tree swingers. Too long an answer I know.
 
2013-04-08 09:36:07 PM  

TsukasaK: skullkrusher: I remember when you were a right wing troll who said stupid shiat from the right

Uhh.. yeah, you're going to need to link me to what the sweet holy fark you're talking about. I'm pretty much straight liberal (maybe libertarian on a few things) and always have been.

But hey, can't refute anything, just resort to calling it "stupid shiat" and accuse the person of impropriety.

F*cking 'cons.


I googled you just in case I was mistaken. First link I looked at :

http://m.fark.com/comments/5721079/One-of-RAND-PAULs-biggest-allies- A- millionaire-who-wants-to-continue-covering-up-sexual-abuse-of-seniors- in-his-nursing-home?from_page=&r=1364498298

"
Wow.. it's kind of sad how awesome ron paul was and how shiatty rand paul is. "
yeah, you sound liberal.

As for your comment that you believe deserves refutation, yeah, I am very tolerant of other people and other viewpoints and I'm a "con" as you say so... yeah, stupid shiat. You're welcome
 
2013-04-08 09:38:54 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: keithgabryelski: indylaw: Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.

yes, but that nosy biatch down the road has some stake in your child's ability to become a productive member of society.
(your neighbors more than their neighbors -- but everyone gains a little)

Her stake is satisfied by the educational taxes she pays and her ability to elect school board members.


Probably not completely -- if the parents are abusing a child, for instance, he has enough stake to report such activity.
If some kids are getting in to trouble -- said nosey neighbor has stake in finding ways to keep idle hands occupied, whether
that is ensuring a community center is accessible and inviting or if he ad hoc coaches basketball on some local park's court.
 
2013-04-08 09:38:55 PM  

maxalt: Cheesus: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.

Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common refrain amo ...


WTF am I reading?
 
2013-04-08 09:39:29 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Flappyhead: Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?

Possible.  I've also suspected that the mods have the ability/are allowed to reset/rename/clear ignorelists and player notes of old accounts to make them appear new and/or backdate new troll accounts.


I wouldn't put it past them.  I've got a screen cap of at least one troll account that popped up one day after about 8 years of dormancy, tripped over itself and magically had it's posts deleted.
 
2013-04-08 09:42:25 PM  
www.wantchinatimes.com
While you argue about silly word use, these children are being educated to the 21st century standard.
 
2013-04-08 09:43:18 PM  

wndertwin: maxalt:  Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate to high school from the 1880's. The tests are available on the internet. Then rate youself as to education.

maxalt: Except those of us who are successful don't to troll, we say what we know to be true.

Do you meanthis purported  9th grade test from 1895 that was debunked as fake?

Keep telling us what you know is true....


I can tell you this I had to pass an exit exam to get out of High School  in 1968. It included math, science, biology, history, English and if you could not read at a college level, you would get a diploma that reflected that you were not up to the standards of achievement needed for college. Harsh maybe but that  non college diploma was a one way ticket to Vietnam, so believe me kids worked for that sheep skin, and no I did not think Vietnam was right. Any way I tire of this, most young people are socialists, that is until the time comes when it starts to cost them money, then capitalism here I come.
 
2013-04-08 09:43:55 PM  

skullkrusher: Wow.. it's kind of sad how awesome ron paul was and how shiatty rand paul is. "
yeah, you sound liberal.


First off.. that post is almost 2 and a half years old. You don't think someone's political views can change at all in that amount of time?

Secondly, RP's only Republican in that that's his registered party.. his views are more libertarian than anything. I can get on board with some of his stances, but he's now on my "no way, no how, not ever" list since he seems to be okay with facist behavior as long as it's done at the state level and not the federal level. And that's not even getting into the economic derp...

I was a dumbass about supporting RP back then and I fully admit this.

skullkrusher: I am very tolerant of other people and other viewpoints and I'm a "con" as you say


In that case, you're in the minority and sound like someone I'd like to hang out with over a beer or two. The conservatives I see and deal with on a daily basis are the kind that are for "small government" as long as small government includes religious fundamentalism and dictating what consenting adults do in their own homes (but I repeat myself)
 
2013-04-08 09:44:25 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Lionel Mandrake: What the hell is with the Derp Squadron lately?  We expect lame, but this is an insult to lame.  If you guys aren't feeling up to it, maybe you should take a break and recharge those batteries.

I feel ya. This sh*t is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off the rails.


The weird thing is I've seen two trolls just today that are brand new to me but have accounts dating back to 2005. They have to be really new at this or...


Flappyhead: Satanic_Hamster: Flappyhead: Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?

Possible.  I've also suspected that the mods have the ability/are allowed to reset/rename/clear ignorelists and player notes of old accounts to make them appear new and/or backdate new troll accounts.

I wouldn't put it past them.  I've got a screen cap of at least one troll account that popped up one day after about 8 years of dormancy, tripped over itself and magically had it's posts deleted.


Ah, interesting theory. This would explain why the two I mention above never registered on my radar before today.
 
2013-04-08 09:44:57 PM  
oi49.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-08 09:46:52 PM  

TsukasaK: Secondly, RP's only Republican in that that's his registered party.. his views are more libertarian than anything


No, his views are pretty fascist, but only on a state level.
 
2013-04-08 09:47:51 PM  
HOW DARE ANYONE SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY TO EACH OTHER AND ESPECIALLY TO OUR CHILDREN RRRRGH THIS MAKES ME SO MAD I'M GOING TO BLOG ABOUT IT AND THEN GO MASTURBATE INTO A COPY OF ATLAS SHRUGGED
 
2013-04-08 09:50:35 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: TsukasaK: Secondly, RP's only Republican in that that's his registered party.. his views are more libertarian than anything

No, his views are pretty fascist, but only on a state level.


He's a neo-Confederate. Like, exactly.

(So, yeah, basically what you said).
 
2013-04-08 09:50:50 PM  
I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.
 
2013-04-08 09:54:03 PM  

badhatharry: I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.


Oh yeah, the whole "community concept" is something we've been keeping a secret all these years. You found us out!
 
2013-04-08 09:58:36 PM  
This might mean people getting more involved in their community rather than subscribing to the mantra of "Fark you I've got mine!". 
This is the worst thing ever.
 
2013-04-08 10:01:22 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: badhatharry: I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.

Oh yeah, the whole "community concept" is something we've been keeping a secret all these years. You found us out!


Next he'll discover the Mexican homobortion parties and the human sacrifices to the God of Atheism. We have to get rid of him.
 
2013-04-08 10:01:54 PM  

fusillade762: Flappyhead: Satanic_Hamster: Flappyhead: Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?

Possible. I've also suspected that the mods have the ability/are allowed to reset/rename/clear ignorelists and player notes of old accounts to make them appear new and/or backdate new troll accounts.

I wouldn't put it past them. I've got a screen cap of at least one troll account that popped up one day after about 8 years of dormancy, tripped over itself and magically had it's posts deleted.

Ah, interesting theory. This would explain why the two I mention above never registered on my radar before today.


It makes the most sense.

Otherwise, that means people are sitting on dozens of troll accounts each and just pulling them out after 5+ years of nothing.  That goes past dedication into the realm of being farking pathetic.
 
2013-04-08 10:02:58 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: cameroncrazy1984: badhatharry: I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.

Oh yeah, the whole "community concept" is something we've been keeping a secret all these years. You found us out!

Next he'll discover the Mexican homobortion parties and the human sacrifices to the God of Atheism. We have to get rid of him.


He must have a mole at our semi-weekly gay orgies.
 
2013-04-08 10:03:30 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: A Dark Evil Omen: cameroncrazy1984: badhatharry: I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.

Oh yeah, the whole "community concept" is something we've been keeping a secret all these years. You found us out!

Next he'll discover the Mexican homobortion parties and the human sacrifices to the God of Atheism. We have to get rid of him.

He must have a mole at our semi-weekly gay orgies.


I have a mole?!
 
2013-04-08 10:03:51 PM  

Flappyhead: Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?


I spent the last 25 years working my buns off, now I can just live off of my work ethic. I still work just not 70 to 100 hours a week as I did once my son reached the age of 18 and was busy making his own life. I enjoy work and long hours, my wife worked long hours also so we would have a nest egg for our golden years. Now we have no bills, money put away and we travel when we feel like it. Everyone on this site just spews what you are told by someone else, I see very few independent thinkers here. Oh course NOT ALL of the people on here are cattle I have found some intelligent people here, but most just spew liberal talking points that they hear from the media and academia. Very few real thinkers are to be found on this site.
 
2013-04-08 10:04:28 PM  

Majick Thise: Can I sue my community for child support?


When the state cuts school funding below legislative mandates...yes, you can.
 
2013-04-08 10:05:14 PM  

Mrtraveler01: So is there an intelligent argument on why I should be outraged about this?


No, none at all.

I find the conservative backlash a bit odd since it seems that conservatives are the ones that talk most often about the old days when people knew each other and you couldn't get away with anything in front of any neighborhood parent because they talked with your parents.
 
2013-04-08 10:05:40 PM  

NostroZ: [www.wantchinatimes.com image 450x295]
While you argue about silly word use, these children are being educated to the 21st century standard.


Yes, that's what we all want - 21st century 'Hitler Youth' looking kids.
 
2013-04-08 10:06:03 PM  

Fart_Machine: maxalt: Cheesus: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.

Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common ref ...


An independent thinker, I believe half of what I see and none of what I hear until I can study and know for myself what is right or wrong.
 
2013-04-08 10:07:43 PM  
There is a world of difference between saying we as a community have an obligation to help a neighbor in need vs. turn you children over to us, really things will be just fine.  Parental involvement is a key factor in a school performing above or below the average of its peers.  The higher the involvement, the more likely said school is performing a high level, the lower the level of involvement and there is a strong that school is not meeting even the most basic standards.

Growing up in Virginia in the mid to late 80's I was fortunate to have parents who were very involved in my schooling, but i also had three other sets of parents as there were four of us who were best of friends and rotated hanging out between homes... All of our parents were friends, sat together during our games and all of us listened to any of those parents as if they were our own.  And God help any of us if we had a teacher call home as we would have multiple "parents" to answer to....

This situation is completely different than the one Ms. Harris is advocating and she is wrong, wrong, wrong.
 
2013-04-08 10:08:09 PM  

maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-08 10:08:34 PM  

Philbb: Mrtraveler01: So is there an intelligent argument on why I should be outraged about this?

No, none at all.

I find the conservative backlash a bit odd since it seems that conservatives are the ones that talk most often about the old days when people knew each other and you couldn't get away with anything in front of any neighborhood parent because they talked with your parents.


Yes, but those people were all WASPs.
 
2013-04-08 10:09:45 PM  
Unless you can afford them, children absolutely should be state property.  If you can't pay for 100% of your child's expenses, be they: food; clothing; shelter; tuition, or medical expenses, you have no business having them.  I did not ask you to let some scumbag go bareback in a dirty outhouse.  Your bastard isn't my problem.  If you can't afford your little 9-month menses, they should become wards of the state and be harvested for their organs and bodily nutrients.
 
2013-04-08 10:11:10 PM  

jpo2269: There is a world of difference between saying we as a community have an obligation to help a neighbor in need vs. turn you children over to us, really things will be just fine.


Nobody is saying that except the morons on Red State.
 
2013-04-08 10:15:09 PM  

maxalt: Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common refrain among their friends who were almost all teachers.


For being a bunch of socialist teachers, they sure did a piss poor job at accurately quoting Marx.
 
2013-04-08 10:16:42 PM  

Fart_Machine: jpo2269: There is a world of difference between saying we as a community have an obligation to help a neighbor in need vs. turn you children over to us, really things will be just fine.

Nobody is saying that except the morons on Red State.


Apparently some people still don't get it.
 
2013-04-08 10:16:55 PM  

maxalt: Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money


This is why everyone who toils behind the counter of a fast food restaurant is a millionaire.
 
2013-04-08 10:17:11 PM  

NostroZ: [www.wantchinatimes.com image 450x295]
While you argue about silly word use, these children are being educated to the 21st century standard.


Does "the 21st century standard" mean "ripping off other people's intellectual property and making up lab results?"
 
2013-04-08 10:17:44 PM  

badhatharry: Fart_Machine: jpo2269: There is a world of difference between saying we as a community have an obligation to help a neighbor in need vs. turn you children over to us, really things will be just fine.

Nobody is saying that except the morons on Red State.

Apparently some people still don't get it.


I agree, the folks at RedState still don't get it.
 
2013-04-08 10:19:46 PM  

JesusJuice: Unless you can afford them, children absolutely should be state property.  If you can't pay for 100% of your child's expenses, be they: food; clothing; shelter; tuition, or medical expenses, you have no business having them.  I did not ask you to let some scumbag go bareback in a dirty outhouse.  Your bastard isn't my problem.  If you can't afford your little 9-month menses, they should become wards of the state and be harvested for their organs and bodily nutrients.


DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD!
 
2013-04-08 10:20:44 PM  

Mrtraveler01: maxalt: Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common refrain among their friends who were almost all teachers.

For being a bunch of socialist teachers, they sure did a piss poor job at accurately quoting Marx.


"By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds"?

What the dick? That sounds like straight-up conservative and fascist talk, from the people at the bottom to our GRAND NATIONAL HEROES.

Then again, it's a dude with "alt" in his name.
 
2013-04-08 10:23:46 PM  
Fart_Machine, badhatharry,

Maybe you should watch the video.  There is a distinct difference between "children belong to the whole community" vs. "we as a community have a responsibility to help shape our children's education and future.."
 
2013-04-08 10:24:40 PM  

Dinki: So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents choose to abuse, neglect, or starve their children it's all good, right?


The free market will sort it out. When word gets around that those parents starve their children, no one will want to buy children from them.
 
2013-04-08 10:26:34 PM  

jpo2269: Fart_Machine, badhatharry,

Maybe you should watch the video.  There is a distinct difference between "children belong to the whole community" vs. "we as a community have a responsibility to help shape our children's education and future.."


"Once it's everybody's responsibility and not just the household's we start making better investments" doesn't translate into "the state owns your kids".
 
2013-04-08 10:29:23 PM  
So, apparently it doesn't take a village.  Not for conservatives, at least.
 
2013-04-08 10:34:22 PM  

Fart_Machine: "Once it's everybody's responsibility and not just the household's we start making better investments" doesn't translate into "the state owns your kids".


You know the same sort of person will claim it's the states/schools responsibility to teach kids values/morals/religion.
 
2013-04-08 10:35:50 PM  

Philbb: I find the conservative backlash a bit odd since it seems that conservatives are the ones that talk most often about the old days when people knew each other and you couldn't get away with anything in front of any neighborhood parent because they talked with your parents.


I'm not certain what your concern is here; conservatives appreciate the coherence of organic communities, but are suspicious of the claimed prerogatives of the State -- and the State is not a community. Traditional conservatives, as opposed to the mercenary right-liberals who increasingly claim the label of "conservative" today, believe that the ideal society would be bound together by ties of culture, values, and (as much as possible) kinship through shared descent. Since Western societies have become increasingly balkanized and atomized, many now look to government to provide us with things we either provided to ourselves in the past or were helped with by our neighbours, which is unequivocally a bad thing because the government is not made up of our neighbours or by people like us (unless you happen to live in Georgetown); the government does not love us or even have a fond regard for people like us, but patronizes us as ruling elites have perennially done to their subjects throughout the ages. As a result, its aid comes with far too many unwanted strings attached (and is very often unsustainable economically in the long term in any case).

I have no problem with the idea of my neighbours in a small and tight-knit community watching out for my children -- although naturally that would not mean that the neighbours had the same kind of claim upon or relationship with my children as I do; it doesn't "take a village to raise a child" so much as it takes parents to do so, with extended family and the wider community at large helping when necessary. I would however have a serious problem with a stranger from the State, who is by no means guaranteed to have anyone's best interests at heart, claiming an equal right to my children because of whatever misguided ideology they happen to be guided by. Bear in mind that there is ample historical precedent of tyrannical societies interfering with parental rights over their children in order to secure the obedience and indoctrination of those children for the service of Church or State -- though this fact may be surprising to those who have themselves been conditioned via public education to believe that governments are inherently benevolent and can be trusted to look after us and solve all of our problems.
 
2013-04-08 10:38:58 PM  
I work for an Indian tribe, largely working with child welfare cases. It's interesting, because the community interest in the welfare and education of children is expressly written into our laws. For example, where a state court would apply the "best interest of the child" standard, the applicable standard in our system is "the best interest of the child and the Tribe."
 
2013-04-08 10:41:33 PM  

I Like Bread: The free market will sort it out. When word gets around that those parents starve their children, no one will want to buy children from them.


Look: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy... I haven't read the whole thread, has anybody said the "LOL GO TO SOMALIA" thing yet? That one's a classic (and easily the modern equivalent of "if you don't like it here, go to Russia").
 
2013-04-08 10:42:28 PM  

TsukasaK: First off.. that post is almost 2 and a half years old. You don't think someone's political views can change at all in that amount of time?


certainly. In fact, that's what I just said about you, isn't it?

TsukasaK: I was a dumbass about supporting RP back then and I fully admit this.


agreed

TsukasaK: In that case, you're in the minority and sound like someone I'd like to hang out with over a beer or two. The conservatives I see and deal with on a daily basis are the kind that are for "small government" as long as small government includes religious fundamentalism and dictating what consenting adults do in their own homes (but I repeat myself)


I might've pegged you wrong. My apologies. I am the furthest thing from a fundi. I don't embrace the "fark religion" that many do around these parts and elsewhere but my soul is mine, yours is yours and whether it exists or not, you're welcome to yours and I expect you to leave mine alone as well.
I am also terribly fond of beer.
 
2013-04-08 10:42:53 PM  
The amount of comments I can't see almost makes me want to turn off the filters....

/Almost.
 
2013-04-08 10:45:08 PM  

Fart_Machine: This might mean people getting more involved in their community rather than subscribing to the mantra of "Fark you I've got mine!". 
This is the worst thing ever.


Gotta love this false polarization of opposites on Fark... if you don't want someone from the government taking a larger than necessary role in the upbringing of your children, it obviously means you're a selfish bastard who wants to send them out to work as chimney sweeps.
 
2013-04-08 10:46:15 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy


They're just different flavors of the same Kool-Aid. No one over the age of 20 subscribes to either political philosophy without first suffering some sort of cerebral injury.
 
2013-04-08 10:46:24 PM  

Emposter: So, apparently it doesn't take a village.  Not for conservatives, at least.


It wasn't a conservative who said "it takes a village"... so, no.
 
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