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2013-04-08 08:10:14 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Almost Everybody Poops: I can't tell if  maxalt is genuine or not.  For one his handle frickin' maxALT, but that could all be part of his Poe's Law attempt at confusing people.

Maxalt is also the brand name of a drug used to treat migraines.

/Take from that what you will


That is hysterically ironic.
 
2013-04-08 08:10:21 PM  

Lawyers With Nukes: So kiddo, you think you own that business you started, that little lemonade stand on the corner?

Scratch that...you think you own that body you occupy right now? Oh really?

Sure, you made it from scratch, but someone else had to help you out to get it started.
And who grew the food you ate all your life? Who regulated the food producers, to ensure it was safe and nutritious?
Who built and regulated the roads, so that food could get to market, and land on your dinner table?
And who took care of that body you when it got sick? Who regulated the healthcare industry, and subsidized student loans so that doctors could get trained?
Who defended your body from physical harm, when imaginary brown people, pissed-off by years of US foreign policy, came to blow it up?
And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so you know the score, you own nothing, not even yourself. "We" own everything.

AND WE OWN YOUR ASS.


Lemonade stands are illegal, along with any other financial transaction.

You have to pay for the privilege.
 
2013-04-08 08:11:11 PM  

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.

This post lacks effort.

Yes, what you posted did lack effort.  How self-aware you are.  Next time it is easier if you just don't post if you already understand that you post lacks effort.

You call that an insult?


No not at all.
I am just pointing out that I agree with you.
You said  "This post lacks effort".
I agree that you the post you created lacked effort.

Why would you view that as an insult?
 
2013-04-08 08:12:08 PM  
Is this what the decline of Rome was like?
 
2013-04-08 08:12:39 PM  
woops, an extra "you" in the second to the last sentence.
 
2013-04-08 08:13:05 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.

This post lacks effort.

Yes, what you posted did lack effort.  How self-aware you are.  Next time it is easier if you just don't post if you already understand that you post lacks effort.

You call that an insult?

No not at all.
I am just pointing out that I agree with you.
You said  "This post lacks effort".
I agree that you the post you created lacked effort.

Why would you view that as an insult?


These posts are pretty weak.

I'm with the other guys, the posts today are weak sauce.
 
2013-04-08 08:13:47 PM  
fark you, i dont want any part of your shiatty children.
 
2013-04-08 08:13:53 PM  

glassa: Anyone saying something like that is NOT a mother...PERIOD!


So the fact that she has a daughter means...what, exactly?
 
2013-04-08 08:15:36 PM  

Cheesus: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.


THIS.

Parental involvement in their childrens' school and education is a huge factor.  I went to public school from K-12 and I turned out fine (works in IT).  There seems to be some irrational fear from the right that public schools "indoctrinate" children to be leftists.  The only conceivable "indoctrination" I had was a brief sex-ed lesson in eighth grade (which involved our female teacher putting a condom on her arm, lol).  That was it, everything else was just regular math, literature, science, and PE.

However, they did teach us to be tolerant of others views, so that's what they might be afraid of.
 
2013-04-08 08:16:07 PM  

Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?


So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.
 
2013-04-08 08:16:56 PM  

DamnYankees: glassa: Anyone saying something like that is NOT a mother...PERIOD!

So the fact that she has a daughter means...what, exactly?


She has a daughter? I don't think so. We have a daughter.
 
2013-04-08 08:18:45 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: Cheesus: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.

THIS.

Parental involvement in their childrens' school and education is a huge factor.  I went to public school from K-12 and I turned o ...


To be fair, I went to a public school too. And since I don't believe the bullshiat that sites like Redstate publish, that means I'm indoctrinated in their eyes.
 
2013-04-08 08:18:49 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.


Huh? That doesn't follow.
 
2013-04-08 08:22:12 PM  

maxalt: By heart felt beliefs are not of anyone's concern


3/10.

Too obvious a followup.
 
2013-04-08 08:22:53 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.


If you believe one Christian doctrine you should believe them all. I guess.
 
2013-04-08 08:24:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.


Don't you see how social responsibility is exactly the same as the origin of life??
 
2013-04-08 08:26:08 PM  
Old concepts are so exciting, subby, wouldn't you agree?
 
2013-04-08 08:26:53 PM  
Someone should have written a script instead of editing that woman's brain farts.

"...we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities" is guaranteed to get parents' backs up.  "Belong to" evokes property rights, and no possession is more precious than one's children.

Kids are part of all those social units.  To the extent that each unit benefits from that part's proper functioning, it has a self-interest motivation to care for that part.

To call this self-interest a "responsibility" is to say, "If you don't take care of kids then you're bad."  People who do not see any significant benefit will take issue with such a statement.  If they do see the benefit, they don't need to hear your argument.

Very flawed message.  The rest of the commercial was OK, but this is going to overshadow the good parts.
 
2013-04-08 08:27:08 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.


It is the beginning of the quote and the context from Donne about no man is an island.
 
2013-04-08 08:27:42 PM  

jigger: DamnYankees: glassa: Anyone saying something like that is NOT a mother...PERIOD!

So the fact that she has a daughter means...what, exactly?

She has a daughter? I don't think so. We have a daughter.


Oh goodie.
 
2013-04-08 08:29:26 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.

It is the beginning of the quote and the context from Donne about no man is an island.


Oh, I didn't realize you had to believe one to believe the other. Why is that? Why can you not believe that community and social interaction are important without believing in a single creator of life?
 
2013-04-08 08:35:23 PM  
good, I always wanted a little negro kid to call my own.
 
2013-04-08 08:35:25 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Someone should have written a script instead of editing that woman's brain farts.

"...we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities" is guaranteed to get parents' backs up.  "Belong to" evokes property rights, and no possession is more precious than one's children.


I am too lazy to find the cartoon, but there is a great one about education now vs. the 70's in the 70's the parent yells at the kid "why aren't you doing better in school" and in the today picture, the parent is yelling at the teacher "why aren't you helping my kid"

this "belongs to" the community mentality is really just an abdication of responsibility. Parents expect someone else to motivate their kids to do well in school, "fix" them when they aren't and give them a participation trophy for trying.
 
2013-04-08 08:37:41 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.

It is the beginning of the quote and the context from Donne about no man is an island.

Oh, I didn't realize you had to believe one to believe the other. Why is that? Why can you not believe that community and social interaction are important without believing in a single creator of life?


He's making fun of you for quoting things without actually knowing what you're quoting, not making a philosophical point, I think.
 
2013-04-08 08:37:43 PM  
I don't know how anyone sane can stay politically involved in the USA. The political landscape is just a tardstorm.
 
2013-04-08 08:38:24 PM  

Jim_Callahan: He's making fun of you for quoting things without actually knowing what you're quoting, not making a philosophical point, I think.


I didn't quote it.
 
2013-04-08 08:39:07 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.

It is the beginning of the quote and the context from Donne about no man is an island.

Oh, I didn't realize you had to believe one to believe the other. Why is that? Why can you not believe that community and social interaction are important without believing in a single creator of life?


you can believe what you want.
but if you are going to quote someone as your argument, you should understand the context of why no person is an island.  Of course, you can make up your own reasons for believing it.
 
2013-04-08 08:41:01 PM  

Whistling Kitty Chaser: tenpoundsofcheese: He didn't build that success.

Isn't that an Obama quote that a bunch of people got upset about a few months back?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng
 
2013-04-08 08:41:48 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: BarkingUnicorn: Someone should have written a script instead of editing that woman's brain farts.

"...we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities" is guaranteed to get parents' backs up.  "Belong to" evokes property rights, and no possession is more precious than one's children.

I am too lazy to find the cartoon, but there is a great one about education now vs. the 70's in the 70's the parent yells at the kid "why aren't you doing better in school" and in the today picture, the parent is yelling at the teacher "why aren't you helping my kid"

this "belongs to" the community mentality is really just an abdication of responsibility. Parents expect someone else to motivate their kids to do well in school, "fix" them when they aren't and give them a participation trophy for trying.


Dr. Benjamin Rush, signatory to the Declaration of Independence and a great advocate of public schools:

"Let our pupil be taught that he does not belong to himself, but that he is public property. Let him be taught to love his family, but let him be taught at the same time that he must forsake and even forget them when the welfare of his country requires it."
 
2013-04-08 08:42:02 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: but if you are going to quote someone as your argument, you should understand the context of why no person is an island.


Why? Why can't one say "no person is an island" and not the rest of it? It doesn't matter what the rest of it is. If you don't say it then ipso facto it's not part of the conversation.
 
2013-04-08 08:42:29 PM  
pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/
 
2013-04-08 08:42:42 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.

It is the beginning of the quote and the context from Donne about no man is an island.

Oh, I didn't realize you had to believe one to believe the other. Why is that? Why can you not believe that community and social interaction are important without believing in a single creator of life?

you can believe what you want.
but if you are going to quote someone as your argument, you should understand the context of why no person is an island.  Of course, you can make up your own reasons for believing it.


I'm a Christian...Catholic actually...so what was your point again?
 
2013-04-08 08:43:07 PM  

skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/


and title of TFA it would seem...

/observant
 
2013-04-08 08:43:33 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: BarkingUnicorn: Someone should have written a script instead of editing that woman's brain farts.

"...we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities" is guaranteed to get parents' backs up.  "Belong to" evokes property rights, and no possession is more precious than one's children.

I am too lazy to find the cartoon, but there is a great one about education now vs. the 70's in the 70's the parent yells at the kid "why aren't you doing better in school" and in the today picture, the parent is yelling at the teacher "why aren't you helping my kid"

this "belongs to" the community mentality is really just an abdication of responsibility. Parents expect someone else to motivate their kids to do well in school, "fix" them when they aren't and give them a participation trophy for trying.


I'm sure what you said is true for some parents out there, but for most of us liberals it's the idea that kids deserve a chance to be the best they can be even if they have shiatty parents.
 
2013-04-08 08:46:45 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: but if you are going to quote someone as your argument, you should understand the context of why no person is an island.

Why? Why can't one say "no person is an island" and not the rest of it? It doesn't matter what the rest of it is. If you don't say it then ipso facto it's not part of the conversation.


"You didn't build that".
 
2013-04-08 08:46:56 PM  
When he's an infant with a 104 fever and ass canon full of liquishiatTM,, he's mine.  When he's an adolescent and some girl or coach cuts him, he's mine.  When he's driving and you realize the curfew is so Mom and Dad can stop worrying and go to sleep, he's mine.  And everything else great and terrible in between.

My Dad is 79 as assures me that we never stop worrying about them.

Go have your own and get back to us in 20 years Melissa.  Kid.
 
2013-04-08 08:48:46 PM  

cchris_39: When he's an infant with a 104 fever and ass canon full of liquishiatTM,, he's mine.  When he's an adolescent and some girl or coach cuts him, he's mine.  When he's driving and you realize the curfew is so Mom and Dad can stop worrying and go to sleep, he's mine.  And everything else great and terrible in between.

My Dad is 79 as assures me that we never stop worrying about them.

Go have your own and get back to us in 20 years Melissa.  Kid.


I believe she has children.  And I bet she takes care of them when their sick, too.
 
2013-04-08 08:50:01 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: cchris_39: When he's an infant with a 104 fever and ass canon full of liquishiatTM,, he's mine.  When he's an adolescent and some girl or coach cuts him, he's mine.  When he's driving and you realize the curfew is so Mom and Dad can stop worrying and go to sleep, he's mine.  And everything else great and terrible in between.

My Dad is 79 as assures me that we never stop worrying about them.

Go have your own and get back to us in 20 years Melissa.  Kid.

I believe she has children.  And I bet she takes care of them when their sick, too.


Yes, but she's a terrible mother for not realizing that every man actually is an island.

/I'm a Christian so I can use this quote without any guilt :P
 
2013-04-08 08:50:35 PM  

skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/


Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!
 
2013-04-08 08:51:49 PM  

Friskya: Dinki: So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents Community chooses to abuse, neglect, or starve their children instill a proper respect for themselves and others in society, it's all good, right?
/it takes a village


What's funny about the "it takes a village to raise a child" proverb is that it comes from Africa, the land of high infant mortality.
 
2013-04-08 08:52:23 PM  

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!


it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)
 
2013-04-08 08:52:55 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: but if you are going to quote someone as your argument, you should understand the context of why no person is an island.

Why? Why can't one say "no person is an island" and not the rest of it? It doesn't matter what the rest of it is. If you don't say it then ipso facto it's not part of the conversation.

"You didn't build that".


That's not the same thing. That's half a sentence. "No man is an island." is a complete thought the way he put it.
 
2013-04-08 08:53:36 PM  

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)


THE COUNT OF JOKERY HAS RULED!
 
2013-04-08 08:54:33 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

THE COUNT OF JOKERY HAS RULED!


another thread, another chance to embarrass yourself?
 
2013-04-08 08:54:36 PM  
If kids belong to the community then I'm going beat the shiat out of your spoiled brat for misbehaving.
 
2013-04-08 08:54:57 PM  
Remember, just yesterday, the ole Count just said that Who's on First is not funny anymore because it's been told over and over again.
 
2013-04-08 08:55:46 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

THE COUNT OF JOKERY HAS RULED!

another thread, another chance to embarrass yourself?


I'm sorry, first you'll have to tell me if you're amused or if you find it funny, since they're clearly two different things and not synonyms.
 
2013-04-08 08:56:18 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Remember, just yesterday, the ole Count just said that Who's on First is not funny anymore because it's been told over and over again.


nah you missed the point on that one. As you miss the point on everything. Tell me, have you figured out how you can be amused by something without finding it funny or are you still pretending not to speak English?
 
2013-04-08 08:57:01 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

THE COUNT OF JOKERY HAS RULED!

another thread, another chance to embarrass yourself?

I'm sorry, first you'll have to tell me if you're amused or if you find it funny, since they're clearly two different things and not synonyms.


wow... dude, that thread is dead.  You left as you should have. Why would you do this to yourself again?
 
2013-04-08 08:57:03 PM  

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)


It doesn't get mentioned anymore because it was beaten into the ground years ago. Now go post that Rick Astley guy. He's a riot!
 
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