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(RedState)   MSNBC host films a commercial saying that children don't belong to their parents or their families, but to their communities at large. This is an outrage, apparently   (redstate.com) divider line 457
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2013-04-08 02:04:57 PM
OH NOES!  COMMUNITISOCIALISM!!
 
2013-04-08 02:11:11 PM
So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents choose to abuse, neglect, or starve their children it's all good, right?
 
2013-04-08 02:13:33 PM
FTFA:
So kids belong to whole communities? Didn't we fight a war back in the 1800s to prove that people weren't owned by the state or anyone else, but were, in fact, people? Seriously?

So you think we fought a war to prove kids were the property of their parents? What?
 
2013-04-08 02:13:38 PM

Dinki: So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents choose to abuse, neglect, or starve their children it's all good, right?


MUST....AVOID....CHILDSEX.....JOKE.....
 
2013-04-08 02:19:30 PM
The community has no role or responsibility for children.

Unless libs want to teach them science, right RedState?
 
2013-04-08 02:19:46 PM
The people of perpetual shock and horror.
 
2013-04-08 02:37:37 PM
Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.
 
2013-04-08 02:53:13 PM
So a commentator says something along the lines that raising children is a civic responsibility.

To republican ears, that means, "ZOMG, OBAMA SAYS THE GOVERNMENT IS COMING TO TAKE AWAY YOUR KIDS!!"

Call me crazy, but I am detecting a pattern here.
 
2013-04-08 03:07:22 PM

Dinki: So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents Community chooses to abuse, neglect, or starve their children instill a proper respect for themselves and others in society, it's all good, right?

/it takes a village
 
2013-04-08 03:20:20 PM
Didn't this same reaction happen after Hillary published "It Takes a Village"?
 
2013-04-08 03:26:07 PM
Republicans and/or conservatives were people who supported communalism for much of our history.  It's amazing how reviled the very idea has become.  It was during Reagan's days that they started to demonize it at every level.
 
2013-04-08 03:36:14 PM
Can I sue my community for child support?
 
2013-04-08 03:42:02 PM
You are an unfit mother. Your children will be placed in the custody of Carl's Jr.
 
2013-04-08 03:49:30 PM

Diogenes: Republicans and/or conservatives were people who supported communalism for much of our history.  It's amazing how reviled the very idea has become.  It was during Reagan's days that they started to demonize it at every level.


And Democrats were the ones who defended slavery

People change. Idea's change. The political world we live in is much different than those days.
 
2013-04-08 03:58:38 PM
Because the concepts of slavery and community spirit are totally morally analogous.
 
2013-04-08 03:59:26 PM

Aarontology: Because the concepts of slavery and community spirit are totally morally analogous.


You dispute that people change?
 
2013-04-08 03:59:46 PM

cman: Diogenes: Republicans and/or conservatives were people who supported communalism for much of our history.  It's amazing how reviled the very idea has become.  It was during Reagan's days that they started to demonize it at every level.

And Democrats were the ones who defended slavery

People change. Idea's change. The political world we live in is much different than those days.


While true, the two really aren't analogous.  Communalism and individualism historically haven't had party gravity like other political ideals/trends.

I've been reading alot in this area lately (god I need some new fiction!).  The first (finished) touches on this topic quite a bit.  The second (in progress) addresses it directly.

The Thirteen American Arguments
Our Divided Political Heart
 
2013-04-08 04:02:41 PM

Diogenes: cman: Diogenes: Republicans and/or conservatives were people who supported communalism for much of our history.  It's amazing how reviled the very idea has become.  It was during Reagan's days that they started to demonize it at every level.

And Democrats were the ones who defended slavery

People change. Idea's change. The political world we live in is much different than those days.

While true, the two really aren't analogous.  Communalism and individualism historically haven't had party gravity like other political ideals/trends.

I've been reading alot in this area lately (god I need some new fiction!).  The first (finished) touches on this topic quite a bit.  The second (in progress) addresses it directly.

The Thirteen American Arguments
Our Divided Political Heart


Here is some good non-fiction that I recommend to everyone: anything by Brian Greene or Neil deGrasse Tyson. Sagan's books are overrated.
 
2013-04-08 04:03:09 PM

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


2/10. Needs more creationism.
 
2013-04-08 04:07:47 PM

cman: Aarontology: Because the concepts of slavery and community spirit are totally morally analogous.

You dispute that people change?


Not at all.

I'm saying making the comparison of "community" to "slavery" is stupid and cheapens the horrors of slavery. Especially given that community isn't inherently evil like slavery.
 
2013-04-08 04:16:10 PM
Um, most analyses of early human communities say that children were raised exactly like this - by the community.  So conservatives are effectively getting mad at returning to historical methods of raising children.
 
2013-04-08 04:25:10 PM

clancifer: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

2/10. Needs more creationism.


Don't care if you can't think for yourself, which government school did you attend? By heart felt beliefs are not of anyone's concern. Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate to high school from the 1880's. The tests are available on the internet. Then rate youself as to education.
 
2013-04-08 04:27:16 PM

maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate


I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.
 
2013-04-08 04:31:37 PM

James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.


You should have posted the full quote.
 
2013-04-08 05:31:28 PM

James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.


Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government
 
2013-04-08 05:34:37 PM

GAT_00: Um, most analyses of early human communities say that children were raised exactly like this - by the community.  So conservatives are effectively getting mad at returning to historical methods of raising children.


Leave it to the left to want to return to the stone age.
And be proud of it.
 
2013-04-08 05:35:21 PM
I knew this spot would generate a derpstorm.  Surprised I haven't heard more outrage than I have.

KarmicDisaster: You are an unfit mother. Your children will be placed in the custody of Carl's Jr.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
Maybe not a good idea.
 
2013-04-08 05:39:09 PM

maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government


He didn't build that success.
If someone didn't build the car, he would have froze
And if someone didn't build the roads, no one would have built the car.
On the flip side, if there weren't that many cars, there would be no global warming  eh cooling  eh climate change and Michigan would be a lot warmer so he wouldn't need a car to begin with.
 
2013-04-08 05:40:48 PM

Type_Hard: Didn't this same reaction happen after Hillary published "It Takes a Village"?


Yeah, pretty much. Most homeschoolers / religious nutjobs are horrified at the thought of someone teaching their kids something that they don't approve of.
 
2013-04-08 05:42:35 PM

maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government


God bless your wife for overcoming the social stigma and having children with someone of your... capacity.
 
2013-04-08 05:46:10 PM
Raising kids through a communal system is arguably a conservative idea. The only problem is that conservatives have so internalized the idea that self-interest is in everyone's interest that they forgot that kids actually can't raise themselves. Now we actually do need the government to provide some basic level of services.

Or maybe they think it's good that kids are being educated on Baltimore street corners instead of in school.
 
2013-04-08 05:54:37 PM

James!: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

God bless your wife for overcoming the social stigma and having children with someone of your... capacity.


I guess you are just another uneducated libtard who would not know an insult if it devoured his posterior. Keep up the whining and some day you may make it into a low class job whining about how life has screwed you over. No one who is successful in this world waits for success, if you are successful, you go out and get it. I suppose you could be one of the chinless wonders who find their place in government warming a chair and complaining that you don't get enough vacation. Go on looking at the obstacles in life and you will never see the opportunities, I truly feel for you.
 
2013-04-08 06:01:58 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

He didn't build that success.
If someone didn't build the car, he would have froze
And if someone didn't build the roads, no one would have built the car.
On the flip side, if there weren't that many cars, there would be no global warming  eh cooling  eh climate change and Michigan would be a lot warmer so he wouldn't need a car to begin with.


Isn't that an Obama quote that a bunch of people got upset about a few months back?
 
2013-04-08 06:02:00 PM
Isn't the whole small town thing where everyone knows your parents and keeps you in line a major component of what the bootstrappy types think merica should return to?
 
2013-04-08 06:05:36 PM
Someone set us up a dirty diaper!
 
2013-04-08 06:09:41 PM

maxalt: words



Dude, you really need to be more subtle if you're gonna make a run at this trolling business.
 
2013-04-08 06:10:40 PM
The ingenious Pocket Ninja and my favorite troll Mike_LowELL are the only people I have favorited right now.  But keep it up, maxalt, and you can join the list.  I particularly like haw tenpoundsofcheese is taking your posts seriously.
 
2013-04-08 06:14:56 PM
Cool, so liberals are saying I should be able to spank little brats when their bleeding heart parents won't.
 
2013-04-08 06:16:08 PM

vygramul: FTFA:
So kids belong to whole communities? Didn't we fight a war back in the 1800s to prove that people weren't owned by the state or anyone else, but were, in fact, people? Seriously?

So you think we fought a war to prove kids were the property of their parents? What?


What I want to know is, when did this idea creep up on us, that children are people? When I was a kid, I would have been laughed at if I claimed I had any rights. My parents would have laughed the hardest. In school we studied civics, but those weren't our rights we talked about. Now, everywhere you go is crawling with mouthy little farks who look like slouching sheepdogs. I'm not saying they should be community property, like I've got a timeshare on some neighborhood punk or something. That would be nice, because my car needs washing, but that's not what I'm saying. It's just that someone should own them until they prove capable of surviving on their own, and they should know it.
 
2013-04-08 06:20:48 PM

sammyk: Isn't the whole small town thing where everyone knows your parents and keeps you in line a major component of what the bootstrappy types think merica should return to?


Oh, but that not what she meant.  She meant that they should be the physical property of the People, as represented by the top Party leaders.  They will decide what is best for the child and for the rest of us.  There will be a People's Council on Childhood Affairs that will determine which children are more suited to be soldiers, which are more suited to be bureaucrats, which are suited to scientists, etc.  Those deemed at risk of becoming a Public Enemy of the People will sent to reeducation centers (aka "Obamacamps") provided by FEMA.

I think that's what this dipshiat's afraid of.
 
2013-04-08 06:22:26 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: The ingenious Pocket Ninja and my favorite troll Mike_LowELL are the only people I have favorited right now.  But keep it up, maxalt, and you can join the list.  I particularly like haw tenpoundsofcheese is taking your posts seriously.


Wow.  Your favorites list looks a lot like my ignore list.  Except for PN of course.
 
2013-04-08 06:25:33 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

He didn't build that success.
If someone didn't build the car, he would have froze
And if someone didn't build the roads, no one would have built the car.
On the flip side, if there weren't that many cars, there would be no global warming  eh cooling  eh climate change and Michigan would be a lot warmer so he wouldn't need a car to begin with.


Now THAT is how you insult someone, I give you a +5 on the scale of -5 to +5 you even brought the King of DC into the picture, and you did not attack me mindlessly. Well done well done! By the by Michigan has been warming for 10,000 years. 10,000 years ago it was covered in miles thick ice. Back in the 1960"s the teachers taught us we were all going to freeze in a 100 years or so, scared the mulch out of us 3 graders, just as global warming is doing to the 3rd graders now.
 
2013-04-08 06:27:07 PM

GleeUnit: maxalt: words


Dude, you really need to be more subtle if you're gonna make a run at this trolling business.


Except those of us who are successful don't to troll, we say what we know to be true.
 
2013-04-08 06:28:14 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: The ingenious Pocket Ninja and my favorite troll Mike_LowELL are the only people I have favorited right now.  But keep it up, maxalt, and you can join the list.  I particularly like haw tenpoundsofcheese is taking your posts seriously.


But I am as serious as a coronary.
 
2013-04-08 06:31:54 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Wow. Your favorites list looks a lot like my ignore list. Except for PN of course.


C'mon, Mike_LowELL is a wonderful troll.  He makes me laugh a lot, though he can be hit and miss at times.  He and PN are the only ones on there right now.  maxalt makes me laugh sometimes, too.  Especially when someone like tenpoundsofcheese jumps in and agrees because he thinks he finally found someone of like mind.  Brilliant.  I keep meaning to put alywa on there, but keep forgetting.
 
2013-04-08 06:32:39 PM

maxalt: tenpoundsofcheese: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

He didn't build that success.
If someone didn't build the car, he would have froze
And if someone didn't build the roads, no one would have built the car.
On the flip side, if there weren't that many cars, there would be no global warming  eh cooling  eh climate change and Michigan would be a lot warmer so he wouldn't need a car to begin with.

Now THAT is how you insult someone, I give you a +5 on the scale of -5 to +5 you even brought the King of DC into the picture, and you did not attack me mindlessly. Well done well done! By the by Michigan has been warming for 10,000 years. 10,000 years ago it was covered in miles thick ice. Back in the 1960"s the teachers taught us we were all going to freeze in a 100 years or so, scared the mulch out of us 3 graders, just as glob ...


sorry if you felt insulted.  that wasn't the intent.
I was mocking the "you didn't build that" and I thought my comments about the cars and roads were over the top enough that you wouldn't take it seriously.
 
2013-04-08 06:54:30 PM
Jesus Christ, I just lost about 10 IQ points reading this thread.
 
2013-04-08 06:55:58 PM

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


What are public abuse buildings?
 
2013-04-08 06:56:31 PM
They don't until the real rich people that live on the mountains above the village tell the villagers to send their sons (and now daughters) off to die somewhere over there yonder.
 
2013-04-08 06:58:39 PM

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


If it wasn't for liberal do-gooders, child abuse would not be illegal.
 
2013-04-08 06:59:13 PM

gilgigamesh: Jesus Christ, I just lost about 10 IQ points reading this thread.


I think putting "MSNBC" in the headline is like ringing the troll dinner bell.
 
2013-04-08 07:04:29 PM
isn't this the site that said "fark your reality I want to live in mine go away libs" if so then this is truly the greatest site on the internet and you libs should all bookmark it and visit it daily so you can be re-educated into being intelligent
 
2013-04-08 07:04:41 PM

Lando Lincoln: Type_Hard: Didn't this same reaction happen after Hillary published "It Takes a Village"?

Yeah, pretty much. Most homeschoolers / religious nutjobs are horrified at the thought of someone teaching their kids something that they don't approve of.


Social conservatism is the fear that someone, somewhere, is teaching your children to be smarter than you.
 
2013-04-08 07:05:00 PM

gilgigamesh: Jesus Christ, I just lost about 10 IQ points reading this thread.


The good news is you can get those points back by watching Southpark.
 
IP
2013-04-08 07:06:18 PM

gilgigamesh: Jesus Christ, I just lost about 10 IQ points reading this thread.

 
2013-04-08 07:07:29 PM
Maybe 15-20 years ago this could be true.

Now, however, there are too many whack jobs who believe that spanking your child, leaving them outside unattended for an hour in your back yard, or letting them play dodge ball is poor parenting/child rearing.

Unfortunately, you can't trust your kid in the hands of the general public anymore without legal issues.
 
2013-04-08 07:08:06 PM
So...if the Government owns all the children......then let them birth the child as well....and save women the agony
 
2013-04-08 07:08:30 PM
See, if you think it's bad reading it on the blog here, you should try listening to him do it on the radio show.  Which he was just doing about 10-20 minutes ago (just got home) on my ride home.

Plays clip of her making a generic feel-good statement about how communities need to care more about each other kids.  Which makes sense, based on sociology and criminology, because the kids your neighbors raise become the adults your kids will have to deal with.  So you're helping your kids by making sure that everyone around you is getting the best education and that your neighbor has someone who'll stop his kid from getting into trouble and such.

Right after the clip, within seconds, he's going on about how she "REALLY" means that she wants your kids to be federal government property.  He'd been selling it for about an hour as "MHP supports bringing back slavery" and such.  And now he was taking her rather bland statement and turning it into "DER DAMN GUBMINT GON TAKE YER KIDZ."  So glad I got home shortly after, or I might've gone into a coma from the pure rays of stupidity coming out of the radio.
 
2013-04-08 07:09:26 PM
Why not just outsource child-rearing to Bangladesh?
 
2013-04-08 07:12:06 PM
She's full of shiat in a more general way, rather than something deep and philosophical. Her message implies communities as a whole have not stepped up to support education for children who are not their own. Not true. Communities pass levies and bonds of all sorts. If it were only the parents voting yes on these measures none would pass.

Mostly, people recognize the need for education funding from the local level and vote accordingly. There might be some exceptions but it is not the blind spot in the American conscience she seems to be indicating, and never was.

To the other side of the argument, I don't want my stamp on that train wreck of a child you're raising. Give the little demon another trophy, medal or ribbon somewhere else. Off my lawn.
 
2013-04-08 07:15:05 PM
This is an outrage, time for another rally!

www.charlock.org
 
2013-04-08 07:15:15 PM
Erik Erikson the man who makes Rush appear fair and balanced.
 
2013-04-08 07:17:44 PM

falcon176: isn't this the site that said "fark your reality I want to live in mine go away libs" if so then this is truly the greatest site on the internet and you libs should all bookmark it and visit it daily so you can be re-educated into being intelligent


You are adorable. How you escaped my attention all these years is truly a mystery.
 
2013-04-08 07:20:40 PM
I am so tired of the right making false dichotomy arguments.

If you think the world only has two options of extremes, you are an idiot.
 
2013-04-08 07:22:39 PM

Tom_Slick: Erick Erikson the man who makes Rush appear fair and balanced.


And exponentially less creepy.  I always have the sneaking suspicion that Erikson has a rape dungeon in his basement.
Either that or he's actually Harold from The Stand.
 
2013-04-08 07:28:39 PM
If the writer had watched her show instead of a promo he probably could have found something real to be pissy about.
 
2013-04-08 07:34:53 PM

kukukupo: Now, however, there are too many whack jobs who believe that spanking your child, leaving them outside unattended for an hour in your back yard, or letting them play dodge ball is poor parenting/child rearing.


Why does it make you a "whack job" to think that physically striking someone is a bad thing to do?
 
2013-04-08 07:36:42 PM
So how do they feel about draft cards?
 
2013-04-08 07:37:02 PM
Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.
 
2013-04-08 07:42:17 PM

indylaw: Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.


No one is suggesting otherwise.

MHP was making an obvious reference to the idea that a solid public education system is essential to a functioning progressive modern society.

For some reason, this fairly innocuous idea causes epic frothing from our friends on the right.
 
2013-04-08 07:42:32 PM
When I read threads like this one on Fark I can't help but wonder what meetings at work would be like if everyone was as free to express the moronic ignorance.
 
2013-04-08 07:42:43 PM
I can't tell if  maxalt is genuine or not.  For one his handle frickin' maxALT, but that could all be part of his Poe's Law attempt at confusing people.
 
2013-04-08 07:43:48 PM
So kiddo, you think you own that business you started, that little lemonade stand on the corner?

Scratch that...you think you own that body you occupy right now? Oh really?

Sure, you made it from scratch, but someone else had to help you out to get it started.
And who grew the food you ate all your life? Who regulated the food producers, to ensure it was safe and nutritious?
Who built and regulated the roads, so that food could get to market, and land on your dinner table?
And who took care of that body you when it got sick? Who regulated the healthcare industry, and subsidized student loans so that doctors could get trained?
Who defended your body from physical harm, when imaginary brown people, pissed-off by years of US foreign policy, came to blow it up?
And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so you know the score, you own nothing, not even yourself. "We" own everything.

AND WE OWN YOUR ASS.
 
2013-04-08 07:44:13 PM

Corvus: I am so tired of the right making false dichotomy arguments.

If you think the world only has two options of extremes, you are an idiot.


So it's only the right that makes false dichotomy arguments?
 
2013-04-08 07:44:15 PM

Tom_Slick: Erik Erikson the man who makes Rush appear fair and balanced.


Eh, listening to him is weird.  Because sometimes he has these flashes of reality and he'll attack Republican derp very strongly.  And then the next day it's back to "herp the derp herp derp herp".
 
2013-04-08 07:45:48 PM

Tom_Slick: Erik Erikson the man who makes Rush appear fair and balanced.


I dunno. I'll bet he's pretty balanced. At least when he's sitting down. All that fat probably falls to the bottom and creates a sturdy base. He's like a huge weeble stuffed with hate and oreo cream pies.

And he's white as a damn ghost.
 
2013-04-08 07:46:13 PM
Anyone saying something like that is NOT a mother...PERIOD!

Also:  "MSNBC:  We are the Borg.  Resistance is futile.  You now belong to us."
 
2013-04-08 07:47:24 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: If the writer had watched her show instead of a promo he probably could have found something real to be pissy about.


The writer is Erick Erickson, the guy is off the derp deep end, he actually thinks that gay marriage will lead to more people on welfare  and higher taxes.  Seriously this guy makes Rush look liberal and Hannity seem sane.
 
2013-04-08 07:49:15 PM

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


^^^AMEN!
 
2013-04-08 07:51:25 PM
The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.
 
2013-04-08 07:52:02 PM

maxalt: My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


The same ones that were part of the teachers union that admitted they were socialists or was it that they admitted they were communist?

/Hey, this thread is already derailed anyways, why not join in the destruction?
 
2013-04-08 07:52:42 PM

maxalt: And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


You don't love them anymore?
Then why do you miss them?
 
2013-04-08 07:53:00 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: I can't tell if  maxalt is genuine or not.  For one his handle frickin' maxALT, but that could all be part of his Poe's Law attempt at confusing people.


Maxalt is also the brand name of a drug used to treat migraines.

/Take from that what you will
 
2013-04-08 07:53:39 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.


This post lacks effort.
 
2013-04-08 07:57:12 PM

fusillade762: falcon176: isn't this the site that said "fark your reality I want to live in mine go away libs" if so then this is truly the greatest site on the internet and you libs should all bookmark it and visit it daily so you can be re-educated into being intelligent

You are adorable. How you escaped my attention all these years is truly a mystery.


i don't think "you are adorable" is the thing thoughtless people say to their deities anymore, check quickmeme and reddit for the update to your wit, or lack thereof
 
2013-04-08 07:59:58 PM

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.

This post lacks effort.


Yes, what you posted did lack effort.  How self-aware you are.  Next time it is easier if you just don't post if you already understand that you post lacks effort.
 
2013-04-08 08:00:06 PM

Lawyers With Nukes: So kiddo, you think you own that business you started, that little lemonade stand on the corner?

Scratch that...you think you own that body you occupy right now? Oh really?

Sure, you made it from scratch, but someone else had to help you out to get it started.
And who grew the food you ate all your life? Who regulated the food producers, to ensure it was safe and nutritious?
Who built and regulated the roads, so that food could get to market, and land on your dinner table?
And who took care of that body you when it got sick? Who regulated the healthcare industry, and subsidized student loans so that doctors could get trained?
Who defended your body from physical harm, when imaginary brown people, pissed-off by years of US foreign policy, came to blow it up?
And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so you know the score, you own nothing, not even yourself. "We" own everything.

AND WE OWN YOUR ASS.


Yep, that sounds about right for liberals.
 
2013-04-08 08:03:09 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.

This post lacks effort.

Yes, what you posted did lack effort.  How self-aware you are.  Next time it is easier if you just don't post if you already understand that you post lacks effort.


You call that an insult?
 
2013-04-08 08:04:35 PM

glassa: Lawyers With Nukes: So kiddo, you think you own that business you started, that little lemonade stand on the corner?

Scratch that...you think you own that body you occupy right now? Oh really?

Sure, you made it from scratch, but someone else had to help you out to get it started.
And who grew the food you ate all your life? Who regulated the food producers, to ensure it was safe and nutritious?
Who built and regulated the roads, so that food could get to market, and land on your dinner table?
And who took care of that body you when it got sick? Who regulated the healthcare industry, and subsidized student loans so that doctors could get trained?
Who defended your body from physical harm, when imaginary brown people, pissed-off by years of US foreign policy, came to blow it up?
And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so you know the score, you own nothing, not even yourself. "We" own everything.

AND WE OWN YOUR ASS.

Yep, that sounds about right for liberals.


You guys realize that no man is an island right?

I think that was the point it was trying to make. But of course the people at Redstate aren't known for intelligence and can't pick up on things like that.
 
2013-04-08 08:04:43 PM

maxalt: Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government



I give up, what's the theme? 80s sitcoms? Arnold Schwarzenegger movies?
 
2013-04-08 08:04:51 PM

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.
 
2013-04-08 08:05:45 PM

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.

This post lacks effort.

Yes, what you posted did lack effort.  How self-aware you are.  Next time it is easier if you just don't post if you already understand that you post lacks effort.

You call that an insult?


I'm not sure if he's overworked or drinking more, or both, but I'm genuinely starting to worry about him.
 
2013-04-08 08:06:01 PM
We're all in this together alone.
 
2013-04-08 08:06:14 PM
I think the problem arose from her use of the phrase "belong to."
 
2013-04-08 08:07:13 PM

glassa: Lawyers With Nukes: So kiddo, you think you own that business you started, that little lemonade stand on the corner?

Scratch that...you think you own that body you occupy right now? Oh really?

Sure, you made it from scratch, but someone else had to help you out to get it started.
And who grew the food you ate all your life? Who regulated the food producers, to ensure it was safe and nutritious?
Who built and regulated the roads, so that food could get to market, and land on your dinner table?
And who took care of that body you when it got sick? Who regulated the healthcare industry, and subsidized student loans so that doctors could get trained?
Who defended your body from physical harm, when imaginary brown people, pissed-off by years of US foreign policy, came to blow it up?
And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so you know the score, you own nothing, not even yourself. "We" own everything.

AND WE OWN YOUR ASS.

Yep, that sounds about right for liberals.


What the hell is with the Derp Squadron lately?  We expect lame, but this is an insult to lame.  If you guys aren't feeling up to it, maybe you should take a break and recharge those batteries.
 
2013-04-08 08:07:28 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Corvus: I am so tired of the right making false dichotomy arguments.

If you think the world only has two options of extremes, you are an idiot.

So it's only the right that makes false dichotomy arguments?


They're certainly less tolerant of ambiguity than the left is. It's one of their defining features.
 
2013-04-08 08:07:34 PM

gilgigamesh: Jesus Christ, I just lost about 10 IQ points reading this thread.


It was for your own good. Stop over thinking things.
 
2013-04-08 08:08:36 PM
So is there an intelligent argument on why I should be outraged about this?
 
2013-04-08 08:08:37 PM

Lionel Mandrake: What the hell is with the Derp Squadron lately?  We expect lame, but this is an insult to lame.  If you guys aren't feeling up to it, maybe you should take a break and recharge those batteries.


I feel ya. This sh*t is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off the rails.
 
2013-04-08 08:09:12 PM

Lionel Mandrake: glassa: Lawyers With Nukes: So kiddo, you think you own that business you started, that little lemonade stand on the corner?

Scratch that...you think you own that body you occupy right now? Oh really?

Sure, you made it from scratch, but someone else had to help you out to get it started.
And who grew the food you ate all your life? Who regulated the food producers, to ensure it was safe and nutritious?
Who built and regulated the roads, so that food could get to market, and land on your dinner table?
And who took care of that body you when it got sick? Who regulated the healthcare industry, and subsidized student loans so that doctors could get trained?
Who defended your body from physical harm, when imaginary brown people, pissed-off by years of US foreign policy, came to blow it up?
And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so you know the score, you own nothing, not even yourself. "We" own everything.

AND WE OWN YOUR ASS.

Yep, that sounds about right for liberals.

What the hell is with the Derp Squadron lately?  We expect lame, but this is an insult to lame.  If you guys aren't feeling up to it, maybe you should take a break and recharge those batteries.


Still hungover from NOLA I suppose.
 
2013-04-08 08:10:14 PM

Mrtraveler01: Almost Everybody Poops: I can't tell if  maxalt is genuine or not.  For one his handle frickin' maxALT, but that could all be part of his Poe's Law attempt at confusing people.

Maxalt is also the brand name of a drug used to treat migraines.

/Take from that what you will


That is hysterically ironic.
 
2013-04-08 08:10:21 PM

Lawyers With Nukes: So kiddo, you think you own that business you started, that little lemonade stand on the corner?

Scratch that...you think you own that body you occupy right now? Oh really?

Sure, you made it from scratch, but someone else had to help you out to get it started.
And who grew the food you ate all your life? Who regulated the food producers, to ensure it was safe and nutritious?
Who built and regulated the roads, so that food could get to market, and land on your dinner table?
And who took care of that body you when it got sick? Who regulated the healthcare industry, and subsidized student loans so that doctors could get trained?
Who defended your body from physical harm, when imaginary brown people, pissed-off by years of US foreign policy, came to blow it up?
And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so you know the score, you own nothing, not even yourself. "We" own everything.

AND WE OWN YOUR ASS.


Lemonade stands are illegal, along with any other financial transaction.

You have to pay for the privilege.
 
2013-04-08 08:11:11 PM

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.

This post lacks effort.

Yes, what you posted did lack effort.  How self-aware you are.  Next time it is easier if you just don't post if you already understand that you post lacks effort.

You call that an insult?


No not at all.
I am just pointing out that I agree with you.
You said  "This post lacks effort".
I agree that you the post you created lacked effort.

Why would you view that as an insult?
 
2013-04-08 08:12:08 PM
Is this what the decline of Rome was like?
 
2013-04-08 08:12:39 PM
woops, an extra "you" in the second to the last sentence.
 
2013-04-08 08:13:05 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.

This post lacks effort.

Yes, what you posted did lack effort.  How self-aware you are.  Next time it is easier if you just don't post if you already understand that you post lacks effort.

You call that an insult?

No not at all.
I am just pointing out that I agree with you.
You said  "This post lacks effort".
I agree that you the post you created lacked effort.

Why would you view that as an insult?


These posts are pretty weak.

I'm with the other guys, the posts today are weak sauce.
 
2013-04-08 08:13:47 PM
fark you, i dont want any part of your shiatty children.
 
2013-04-08 08:13:53 PM

glassa: Anyone saying something like that is NOT a mother...PERIOD!


So the fact that she has a daughter means...what, exactly?
 
2013-04-08 08:15:36 PM

Cheesus: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.


THIS.

Parental involvement in their childrens' school and education is a huge factor.  I went to public school from K-12 and I turned out fine (works in IT).  There seems to be some irrational fear from the right that public schools "indoctrinate" children to be leftists.  The only conceivable "indoctrination" I had was a brief sex-ed lesson in eighth grade (which involved our female teacher putting a condom on her arm, lol).  That was it, everything else was just regular math, literature, science, and PE.

However, they did teach us to be tolerant of others views, so that's what they might be afraid of.
 
2013-04-08 08:16:07 PM

Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?


So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.
 
2013-04-08 08:16:56 PM

DamnYankees: glassa: Anyone saying something like that is NOT a mother...PERIOD!

So the fact that she has a daughter means...what, exactly?


She has a daughter? I don't think so. We have a daughter.
 
2013-04-08 08:18:45 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: Cheesus: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.

THIS.

Parental involvement in their childrens' school and education is a huge factor.  I went to public school from K-12 and I turned o ...


To be fair, I went to a public school too. And since I don't believe the bullshiat that sites like Redstate publish, that means I'm indoctrinated in their eyes.
 
2013-04-08 08:18:49 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.


Huh? That doesn't follow.
 
2013-04-08 08:22:12 PM

maxalt: By heart felt beliefs are not of anyone's concern


3/10.

Too obvious a followup.
 
2013-04-08 08:22:53 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.


If you believe one Christian doctrine you should believe them all. I guess.
 
2013-04-08 08:24:10 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.


Don't you see how social responsibility is exactly the same as the origin of life??
 
2013-04-08 08:26:08 PM
Old concepts are so exciting, subby, wouldn't you agree?
 
2013-04-08 08:26:53 PM
Someone should have written a script instead of editing that woman's brain farts.

"...we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities" is guaranteed to get parents' backs up.  "Belong to" evokes property rights, and no possession is more precious than one's children.

Kids are part of all those social units.  To the extent that each unit benefits from that part's proper functioning, it has a self-interest motivation to care for that part.

To call this self-interest a "responsibility" is to say, "If you don't take care of kids then you're bad."  People who do not see any significant benefit will take issue with such a statement.  If they do see the benefit, they don't need to hear your argument.

Very flawed message.  The rest of the commercial was OK, but this is going to overshadow the good parts.
 
2013-04-08 08:27:08 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.


It is the beginning of the quote and the context from Donne about no man is an island.
 
2013-04-08 08:27:42 PM

jigger: DamnYankees: glassa: Anyone saying something like that is NOT a mother...PERIOD!

So the fact that she has a daughter means...what, exactly?

She has a daughter? I don't think so. We have a daughter.


Oh goodie.
 
2013-04-08 08:29:26 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.

It is the beginning of the quote and the context from Donne about no man is an island.


Oh, I didn't realize you had to believe one to believe the other. Why is that? Why can you not believe that community and social interaction are important without believing in a single creator of life?
 
2013-04-08 08:35:23 PM
good, I always wanted a little negro kid to call my own.
 
2013-04-08 08:35:25 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Someone should have written a script instead of editing that woman's brain farts.

"...we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities" is guaranteed to get parents' backs up.  "Belong to" evokes property rights, and no possession is more precious than one's children.


I am too lazy to find the cartoon, but there is a great one about education now vs. the 70's in the 70's the parent yells at the kid "why aren't you doing better in school" and in the today picture, the parent is yelling at the teacher "why aren't you helping my kid"

this "belongs to" the community mentality is really just an abdication of responsibility. Parents expect someone else to motivate their kids to do well in school, "fix" them when they aren't and give them a participation trophy for trying.
 
2013-04-08 08:37:41 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.

It is the beginning of the quote and the context from Donne about no man is an island.

Oh, I didn't realize you had to believe one to believe the other. Why is that? Why can you not believe that community and social interaction are important without believing in a single creator of life?


He's making fun of you for quoting things without actually knowing what you're quoting, not making a philosophical point, I think.
 
2013-04-08 08:37:43 PM
I don't know how anyone sane can stay politically involved in the USA. The political landscape is just a tardstorm.
 
2013-04-08 08:38:24 PM

Jim_Callahan: He's making fun of you for quoting things without actually knowing what you're quoting, not making a philosophical point, I think.


I didn't quote it.
 
2013-04-08 08:39:07 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.

It is the beginning of the quote and the context from Donne about no man is an island.

Oh, I didn't realize you had to believe one to believe the other. Why is that? Why can you not believe that community and social interaction are important without believing in a single creator of life?


you can believe what you want.
but if you are going to quote someone as your argument, you should understand the context of why no person is an island.  Of course, you can make up your own reasons for believing it.
 
2013-04-08 08:41:01 PM

Whistling Kitty Chaser: tenpoundsofcheese: He didn't build that success.

Isn't that an Obama quote that a bunch of people got upset about a few months back?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng
 
2013-04-08 08:41:48 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: BarkingUnicorn: Someone should have written a script instead of editing that woman's brain farts.

"...we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities" is guaranteed to get parents' backs up.  "Belong to" evokes property rights, and no possession is more precious than one's children.

I am too lazy to find the cartoon, but there is a great one about education now vs. the 70's in the 70's the parent yells at the kid "why aren't you doing better in school" and in the today picture, the parent is yelling at the teacher "why aren't you helping my kid"

this "belongs to" the community mentality is really just an abdication of responsibility. Parents expect someone else to motivate their kids to do well in school, "fix" them when they aren't and give them a participation trophy for trying.


Dr. Benjamin Rush, signatory to the Declaration of Independence and a great advocate of public schools:

"Let our pupil be taught that he does not belong to himself, but that he is public property. Let him be taught to love his family, but let him be taught at the same time that he must forsake and even forget them when the welfare of his country requires it."
 
2013-04-08 08:42:02 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: but if you are going to quote someone as your argument, you should understand the context of why no person is an island.


Why? Why can't one say "no person is an island" and not the rest of it? It doesn't matter what the rest of it is. If you don't say it then ipso facto it's not part of the conversation.
 
2013-04-08 08:42:29 PM
pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/
 
2013-04-08 08:42:42 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.

It is the beginning of the quote and the context from Donne about no man is an island.

Oh, I didn't realize you had to believe one to believe the other. Why is that? Why can you not believe that community and social interaction are important without believing in a single creator of life?

you can believe what you want.
but if you are going to quote someone as your argument, you should understand the context of why no person is an island.  Of course, you can make up your own reasons for believing it.


I'm a Christian...Catholic actually...so what was your point again?
 
2013-04-08 08:43:07 PM

skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/


and title of TFA it would seem...

/observant
 
2013-04-08 08:43:33 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: BarkingUnicorn: Someone should have written a script instead of editing that woman's brain farts.

"...we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities" is guaranteed to get parents' backs up.  "Belong to" evokes property rights, and no possession is more precious than one's children.

I am too lazy to find the cartoon, but there is a great one about education now vs. the 70's in the 70's the parent yells at the kid "why aren't you doing better in school" and in the today picture, the parent is yelling at the teacher "why aren't you helping my kid"

this "belongs to" the community mentality is really just an abdication of responsibility. Parents expect someone else to motivate their kids to do well in school, "fix" them when they aren't and give them a participation trophy for trying.


I'm sure what you said is true for some parents out there, but for most of us liberals it's the idea that kids deserve a chance to be the best they can be even if they have shiatty parents.
 
2013-04-08 08:46:45 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: but if you are going to quote someone as your argument, you should understand the context of why no person is an island.

Why? Why can't one say "no person is an island" and not the rest of it? It doesn't matter what the rest of it is. If you don't say it then ipso facto it's not part of the conversation.


"You didn't build that".
 
2013-04-08 08:46:56 PM
When he's an infant with a 104 fever and ass canon full of liquishiatTM,, he's mine.  When he's an adolescent and some girl or coach cuts him, he's mine.  When he's driving and you realize the curfew is so Mom and Dad can stop worrying and go to sleep, he's mine.  And everything else great and terrible in between.

My Dad is 79 as assures me that we never stop worrying about them.

Go have your own and get back to us in 20 years Melissa.  Kid.
 
2013-04-08 08:48:46 PM

cchris_39: When he's an infant with a 104 fever and ass canon full of liquishiatTM,, he's mine.  When he's an adolescent and some girl or coach cuts him, he's mine.  When he's driving and you realize the curfew is so Mom and Dad can stop worrying and go to sleep, he's mine.  And everything else great and terrible in between.

My Dad is 79 as assures me that we never stop worrying about them.

Go have your own and get back to us in 20 years Melissa.  Kid.


I believe she has children.  And I bet she takes care of them when their sick, too.
 
2013-04-08 08:50:01 PM

Lionel Mandrake: cchris_39: When he's an infant with a 104 fever and ass canon full of liquishiatTM,, he's mine.  When he's an adolescent and some girl or coach cuts him, he's mine.  When he's driving and you realize the curfew is so Mom and Dad can stop worrying and go to sleep, he's mine.  And everything else great and terrible in between.

My Dad is 79 as assures me that we never stop worrying about them.

Go have your own and get back to us in 20 years Melissa.  Kid.

I believe she has children.  And I bet she takes care of them when their sick, too.


Yes, but she's a terrible mother for not realizing that every man actually is an island.

/I'm a Christian so I can use this quote without any guilt :P
 
2013-04-08 08:50:35 PM

skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/


Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!
 
2013-04-08 08:51:49 PM

Friskya: Dinki: So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents Community chooses to abuse, neglect, or starve their children instill a proper respect for themselves and others in society, it's all good, right?
/it takes a village


What's funny about the "it takes a village to raise a child" proverb is that it comes from Africa, the land of high infant mortality.
 
2013-04-08 08:52:23 PM

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!


it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)
 
2013-04-08 08:52:55 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: but if you are going to quote someone as your argument, you should understand the context of why no person is an island.

Why? Why can't one say "no person is an island" and not the rest of it? It doesn't matter what the rest of it is. If you don't say it then ipso facto it's not part of the conversation.

"You didn't build that".


That's not the same thing. That's half a sentence. "No man is an island." is a complete thought the way he put it.
 
2013-04-08 08:53:36 PM

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)


THE COUNT OF JOKERY HAS RULED!
 
2013-04-08 08:54:33 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

THE COUNT OF JOKERY HAS RULED!


another thread, another chance to embarrass yourself?
 
2013-04-08 08:54:36 PM
If kids belong to the community then I'm going beat the shiat out of your spoiled brat for misbehaving.
 
2013-04-08 08:54:57 PM
Remember, just yesterday, the ole Count just said that Who's on First is not funny anymore because it's been told over and over again.
 
2013-04-08 08:55:46 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

THE COUNT OF JOKERY HAS RULED!

another thread, another chance to embarrass yourself?


I'm sorry, first you'll have to tell me if you're amused or if you find it funny, since they're clearly two different things and not synonyms.
 
2013-04-08 08:56:18 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Remember, just yesterday, the ole Count just said that Who's on First is not funny anymore because it's been told over and over again.


nah you missed the point on that one. As you miss the point on everything. Tell me, have you figured out how you can be amused by something without finding it funny or are you still pretending not to speak English?
 
2013-04-08 08:57:01 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

THE COUNT OF JOKERY HAS RULED!

another thread, another chance to embarrass yourself?

I'm sorry, first you'll have to tell me if you're amused or if you find it funny, since they're clearly two different things and not synonyms.


wow... dude, that thread is dead.  You left as you should have. Why would you do this to yourself again?
 
2013-04-08 08:57:03 PM

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)


It doesn't get mentioned anymore because it was beaten into the ground years ago. Now go post that Rick Astley guy. He's a riot!
 
2013-04-08 08:57:24 PM

skullkrusher: Tell me, have you figured out how you can be amused by something without finding it funny or are you still pretending not to speak English?


I'm not the one who doesn't understand the definiton of "synonym," here, nor the definitions of "amused" and "funny"
 
2013-04-08 08:57:33 PM
Oh they are yours alright, for every dollar they (kids and what the Government causes) suck from you, you should have the right to terminate them before they are twenty-one. And the community can help buy supplying a bullet, or injection and holding him down.

You know, for those really bad kids that terrorize the community.
I betcha the youth crime rates would go way down.
 
2013-04-08 08:57:45 PM

Majick Thise: Can I sue my community for child support?


Depends on how slutty your wife was.
 
2013-04-08 08:57:59 PM

skullkrusher: wow... dude, that thread is dead.  You left as you should have. Why would you do this to yourself again?


Because you're brittle and so much fun to rile up, oh Count.
 
2013-04-08 08:58:19 PM
Also I see Red State missed the point by light years. Huzzah!
 
2013-04-08 08:58:33 PM

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

It doesn't get mentioned anymore because it was beaten into the ground years ago. Now go post that Rick Astley guy. He's a riot!


actually, getting randomly Rick Rolled is funny again
 
2013-04-08 08:58:59 PM

lasercannon: Majick Thise: Can I sue my community for child support?

Depends on how slutty your wife was.


I'm sure  skullkrusher will be along to issue his humor ratingTM but I think that's both amusing AND funny. Because, you see, they're two different things!
 
2013-04-08 08:59:13 PM
Is this the thread where everyone just says the same shiat over and over again without actually analyzing what the subject is like every other fark political thread?

The commercial is the trolliest piece of trolling I've seen in a long time.
 
2013-04-08 08:59:37 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: wow... dude, that thread is dead.  You left as you should have. Why would you do this to yourself again?

Because you're brittle and so much fun to rile up, oh Count.


You don't actually believe that's what you were doing. I don't actually believe that is what you're doing. Why just not be a fool in the first place, Cam? They you won't have to pretend lol trollololol
 
2013-04-08 08:59:53 PM

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

It doesn't get mentioned anymore because it was beaten into the ground years ago. Now go post that Rick Astley guy. He's a riot!

actually, getting randomly Rick Rolled is funny again


THE COUNT HAS SPOKEN! LET NO MAN SAY THAT RICKROLLING IS UNAMUSING OR UNFUNNY HENCEFORTH!
 
2013-04-08 09:00:32 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: wow... dude, that thread is dead.  You left as you should have. Why would you do this to yourself again?

Because you're brittle and so much fun to rile up, oh Count.

You don't actually believe that's what you were doing. I don't actually believe that is what you're doing. Why just not be a fool in the first place, Cam? They you won't have to pretend lol trollololol


Who said I was trolling? Certainly not me. You are aware that you can rile someone up whilst also not trolling, right?
 
2013-04-08 09:00:39 PM

cameroncrazy1984: lasercannon: Majick Thise: Can I sue my community for child support?

Depends on how slutty your wife was.

I'm sure  skullkrusher will be along to issue his humor ratingTM but I think that's both amusing AND funny. Because, you see, they're two different things!


that was actually pretty witty. Take some notes, Cam.
You don't look like you want to pretend you do.
 
2013-04-08 09:00:45 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: maxalt: And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

You don't love them anymore?
Then why do you miss them?


la la la I can't hear you, I speak in the past because they are in the past.
 
2013-04-08 09:01:10 PM
God, I need to lay off the caffeine.
 
2013-04-08 09:01:15 PM
So, now Conservatives are okay with crack mother's having and raising babies?  With drug addicts selling their children to the nearest sex fiend, just for a few minutes?  With parents beating their kids into mental disability for spilling the cereal?

No, of course they are not.  So pretending that there is some fundamental difference in how liberals and conservatives see the role of the state in ensuring the education and healthy upbringing of children, and implying that liberals are out of touch and looking to create government overreach is imbecilic.  But, judging by this thread, the trolls are eating it up.  What a farce.
 
2013-04-08 09:01:31 PM
I think I'm just gonna let you post, Cam. I can't possibly shame you more than you can shame you.
 
2013-04-08 09:01:37 PM

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

It doesn't get mentioned anymore because it was beaten into the ground years ago. Now go post that Rick Astley guy. He's a riot!

actually, getting randomly Rick Rolled is funny again


You have to be the most laid back conservative I've ever seen.

And that's a good thing.
 
2013-04-08 09:01:39 PM

skylabdown: Is this the thread where everyone just says the same shiat over and over again without actually analyzing what the subject is like every other fark political thread?

The commercial is the trolliest piece of trolling I've seen in a long time.


Analyzing the subject is going to make this article sound more intelligent?
 
2013-04-08 09:01:42 PM
static01.mediaite.com
 
2013-04-08 09:01:53 PM

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: lasercannon: Majick Thise: Can I sue my community for child support?

Depends on how slutty your wife was.

I'm sure  skullkrusher will be along to issue his humor ratingTM but I think that's both amusing AND funny. Because, you see, they're two different things!

that was actually pretty witty. Take some notes, Cam.
You don't look like you want to pretend you do.


Called it! Now, is it amusing or funny?
 
2013-04-08 09:02:28 PM

skullkrusher: I think I'm just gonna let you post, Cam. I can't possibly shame you more than you can shame you.


To shame me first of all I'd have to be wrong. See ya!
 
2013-04-08 09:02:53 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: maxalt: tenpoundsofcheese: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

He didn't build that success.
If someone didn't build the car, he would have froze
And if someone didn't build the roads, no one would have built the car.
On the flip side, if there weren't that many cars, there would be no global warming  eh cooling  eh climate change and Michigan would be a lot warmer so he wouldn't need a car to begin with.

Now THAT is how you insult someone, I give you a +5 on the scale of -5 to +5 you even brought the King of DC into the picture, and you did not attack me mindlessly. Well done well done! By the by Michigan has been warming for 10,000 years. 10,000 years ago it was covered in miles thick ice. Back in the 1960"s the teachers taught us we were all going to freeze in a 100 years or so, scared the mulch out of us 3 graders, just ...


I don't take it seriously but saying you didn't build that is funny maybe insult is too strong a word, how about pulling my chain?
 
2013-04-08 09:03:08 PM

cman: Diogenes: Republicans and/or conservatives were people who supported communalism for much of our history.  It's amazing how reviled the very idea has become.  It was during Reagan's days that they started to demonize it at every level.

And Democrats were the ones who defended slavery

People change. Idea's change. The political world we live in is much different than those days.


History hurts. Go read a book  and learn that Dems were rightwing and retardicans were left wing(Lincoln) and they swapped wings since then.

Now the retardicans are teetering off of the flat Earth and the ropes tied around the necks of the Dems are about to break.

/the Pedo Priests like your kids too much in the religious commune
 
2013-04-08 09:03:21 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

It doesn't get mentioned anymore because it was beaten into the ground years ago. Now go post that Rick Astley guy. He's a riot!

actually, getting randomly Rick Rolled is funny again

You have to be the most laid back conservative I've ever seen.

And that's a good thing.


thank you, sir/madam
 
2013-04-08 09:04:24 PM
skylabdown:

The commercial is the trolliest piece of trolling I've seen in a long time.

If so, it's a really foolish bit of trolling.  Gonna backfire hard.

"First Obama's comin' for our guns, now he's comin' for our KIDS!  Git the GUNS!"

That actually happened in 1852 when Massachusetts imposed compulsory education.  The militia was called out to one town to hold parents at gunpoint while their kids were marched off to school.  Elsewhere, a newly-built public schoolhouse was burnt down - with the schoolmaster in it.
 
2013-04-08 09:04:38 PM

Cletus C.: Her message implies communities as a whole have not stepped up to support education for children who are not their own. Not true. Communities pass levies and bonds of all sorts. If it were only the parents voting yes on these measures none would pass.


I don't think her argument is that the community has done nothing to support children, I'm pretty sure it's that the community hasn't done enough. I know it's a lot to ask, but if you could just read the first line quoted in the article you'll see it contains the phrase "as much ... as we should".

And it's hard to argue that she's wrong, at least in certain contexts. How often do parents work to provide educational opportunities for children they didn't spawn? How often do non-parents work to provide educational opportunities for anyone at all? Have we designed the school day around the demands of effective education, or around the convenience of workday childcare? Etc., etc., etc.

Or in more general terms, what are we doing to end the 1500+ deaths every year attributed to mistreatment of children by their caretakers? Our society makes children -- particularly children below school age -- the almost exclusive responsibility of 1 or 2 adults, which is a terrible thing to do to both our children and their caretakers. We should work to ensure that every child gets a fair shake at life, regardless of their lineage, and that caretakers are supported in role of raising the next generation. That cannot happen so long as children are considered an extension of their parents, rather than people in and of their own right.
 
2013-04-08 09:04:48 PM
If children belgoned to the community, parents would be concerned with getting their kids jobs. Parents would teach kids to be choosy about the families of their friends and lovers. Parents woud sicuss things like financial invesments and the importance of paying attention to social capital around where they live when they move away from home. Of my list, all I see most parents care about is jobs, which suggests they think their children have no futures. Parents seem to think children will be obedient chore drones at home and obnedient chore drones that belong to their immediate bosses when they move out. If they move out.
 
2013-04-08 09:08:24 PM
Parents seem more than willing to agree with "children belong to the community" when the school year starts and they can dump them off on public school rather than pay out-of-pocket for daycare everyday.
 
2013-04-08 09:09:43 PM

gilgigamesh: Jesus Christ, I just lost about 10 IQ points reading this thread.


Public school system, when he went into the 11th grade he already had passed the tests to graduate high school, but he didn't feel like he wanted to go to college until he was 17. In the first 2 months of school he was attacked by a guy in the court yard. Part of his schooling from me was self defense. He hurt the bully and got kicked out of school, he and I went camping, so all was well that ended well. By the way it is not possible for you to lose 10 IQ points as all IQ tests are always measured in the positive.
 
2013-04-08 09:09:47 PM

skullkrusher: what does Usher have to do with anything?


You're mistaken. That's not Usher. Usher's career is dead. But Usher is still alive.

That's definitely Steve Urkel.
 
2013-04-08 09:10:39 PM

Huggermugger: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

If it wasn't for liberal do-gooders, child abuse would not be illegal.


That is not true.
 
2013-04-08 09:10:47 PM

lasercannon: Majick Thise: Can I sue my community for child support?

Depends on how slutty your wife was.


You probably farked her, but she won't remember it
 
2013-04-08 09:10:53 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Parents seem more than willing to agree with "children belong to the community" when the school year starts and they can dump them off on public school rather than pay out-of-pocket for daycare everyday.


by "dump them off on public school " you mean "bring them to the school that they pay for with their tax dollars because it is illegal not send your kids to school" presumably?
 
2013-04-08 09:11:23 PM
And here we have what Fark Mods would consider a perfect thread; shiat on beyond belief by troll accounts.
 
2013-04-08 09:11:29 PM

skozlaw: skullkrusher: what does Usher have to do with anything?

You're mistaken. That's not Usher. Usher's career is dead. But Usher is still alive.

That's definitely Steve Urkel.


I just saw Usher on the Voice I'll have you kno... oh, point taken
 
2013-04-08 09:12:11 PM

maxalt: gilgigamesh: Jesus Christ, I just lost about 10 IQ points reading this thread.

Public school system, when he went into the 11th grade he already had passed the tests to graduate high school, but he didn't feel like he wanted to go to college until he was 17. In the first 2 months of school he was attacked by a guy in the court yard. Part of his schooling from me was self defense. He hurt the bully and got kicked out of school, he and I went camping, so all was well that ended well. By the way it is not possible for you to lose 10 IQ points as all IQ tests are always measured in the positive.


Some Maxalt would come in handy after reading that abortion of post.

/Google what Maxalt is
 
2013-04-08 09:13:24 PM

Satanic_Hamster: And here we have what Fark Mods would consider a perfect thread; shiat on beyond belief by troll accounts.


This was never a good thread. The topic was incredibly stupid.

We might as well have just posted pictures of ponies, it's just as productive.
 
2013-04-08 09:13:33 PM

Almost Everybody Poops: However, they did teach us to be tolerant of others views, so that's what they might be afraid of.


Indeed. That entire concept is anathema to conservatives.


And before some threadshiatter makes a smartass comment, tolerance does not extend to intolerance. I reserve the right to hate haters.
 
2013-04-08 09:13:48 PM

maxalt:  Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate to high school from the 1880's. The tests are available on the internet. Then rate youself as to education.


maxalt: Except those of us who are successful don't to troll, we say what we know to be true.


Do you meanthis purported  9th grade test from 1895 that was debunked as fake?

Keep telling us what you know is true....
 
2013-04-08 09:16:21 PM

TsukasaK: Almost Everybody Poops: However, they did teach us to be tolerant of others views, so that's what they might be afraid of.

Indeed. That entire concept is anathema to conservatives.


And before some threadshiatter makes a smartass comment, tolerance does not extend to intolerance. I reserve the right to hate haters.


I remember when you were a right wing troll who said stupid shiat from the right and then you kinda slipped away for a little bit and now you're back saying stupid shiat from the left. At least have the decency to change names, brah.
 
2013-04-08 09:16:49 PM
Wow, I thought the Freepers were unbearable. The comments on that site...

People who write copy for these PSAs need to dumb them WAY down so that these people can follow along.
 
2013-04-08 09:17:11 PM

Mrtraveler01: Satanic_Hamster: And here we have what Fark Mods would consider a perfect thread; shiat on beyond belief by troll accounts.

This was never a good thread. The topic was incredibly stupid.

We might as well have just posted pictures of ponies, it's just as productive.


Oh now you've gone and done it.
 
2013-04-08 09:23:17 PM

indylaw: Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.


yes, but that nosy biatch down the road has some stake in your child's ability to become a productive member of society.
(your neighbors more than their neighbors -- but everyone gains a little)
 
2013-04-08 09:23:28 PM
Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?
 
2013-04-08 09:23:47 PM

lostcat: Wow, I thought the Freepers were unbearable. The comments on that site...

People who write copy for these PSAs need to dumb them WAY down so that these people can follow along.


They've got to understand that these are simple farmers? People of the land? The common clay of the New West?
 
2013-04-08 09:27:16 PM

skullkrusher: I remember when you were a right wing troll who said stupid shiat from the right


Uhh.. yeah, you're going to need to link me to what the sweet holy fark you're talking about. I'm pretty much straight liberal (maybe libertarian on a few things) and always have been.

But hey, can't refute anything, just resort to calling it "stupid shiat" and accuse the person of impropriety.

F*cking 'cons.
 
2013-04-08 09:29:33 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Mrtraveler01: Satanic_Hamster: And here we have what Fark Mods would consider a perfect thread; shiat on beyond belief by troll accounts.

This was never a good thread. The topic was incredibly stupid.

We might as well have just posted pictures of ponies, it's just as productive.

Oh now you've gone and done it.


fark yeah.
i58.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-08 09:30:06 PM

keithgabryelski: indylaw: Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.

yes, but that nosy biatch down the road has some stake in your child's ability to become a productive member of society.
(your neighbors more than their neighbors -- but everyone gains a little)


Her stake is satisfied by the educational taxes she pays and her ability to elect school board members.
 
2013-04-08 09:30:51 PM

Flappyhead: Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?


Possible.  I've also suspected that the mods have the ability/are allowed to reset/rename/clear ignorelists and player notes of old accounts to make them appear new and/or backdate new troll accounts.
 
2013-04-08 09:32:06 PM

cameroncrazy1984: lostcat: Wow, I thought the Freepers were unbearable. The comments on that site...

People who write copy for these PSAs need to dumb them WAY down so that these people can follow along.

They've got to understand that these are simple farmers? People of the land? The common clay of the New West?


Oh, please.  "Belong to" was an incredibly stupid choice of words; only "are property of" could have been worse.
 
2013-04-08 09:32:37 PM

Cheesus: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.


Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common refrain among their friends who were almost all teachers. I heard what the teachers thought about the kids first hand, and believe me it was not what you would want to believe. I think that the problem arises from the fact that the teaches spend their whole life in academia, beard stroking themselves and convincing themselves if they only had control what a utopia this world would be. My Uncle on the other hand was and is a staunch conservative and taught his students that Capitalism is the best form of economics. He also taught them that Lincoln arrested owners of papers, Supreme Court Justices, stole bank accounts and ignored the constitution. All of which about Lincoln is true. And yes school kids need parents help, blame Johnson, he made it so if a baby was born to a couple they could not recieve any government assistance, so led to the break up of the low income families, Johnson despised blacks by the way, called them tree swingers. Too long an answer I know.
 
2013-04-08 09:36:07 PM

TsukasaK: skullkrusher: I remember when you were a right wing troll who said stupid shiat from the right

Uhh.. yeah, you're going to need to link me to what the sweet holy fark you're talking about. I'm pretty much straight liberal (maybe libertarian on a few things) and always have been.

But hey, can't refute anything, just resort to calling it "stupid shiat" and accuse the person of impropriety.

F*cking 'cons.


I googled you just in case I was mistaken. First link I looked at :

http://m.fark.com/comments/5721079/One-of-RAND-PAULs-biggest-allies- A- millionaire-who-wants-to-continue-covering-up-sexual-abuse-of-seniors- in-his-nursing-home?from_page=&r=1364498298

"
Wow.. it's kind of sad how awesome ron paul was and how shiatty rand paul is. "
yeah, you sound liberal.

As for your comment that you believe deserves refutation, yeah, I am very tolerant of other people and other viewpoints and I'm a "con" as you say so... yeah, stupid shiat. You're welcome
 
2013-04-08 09:38:54 PM

BarkingUnicorn: keithgabryelski: indylaw: Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.

yes, but that nosy biatch down the road has some stake in your child's ability to become a productive member of society.
(your neighbors more than their neighbors -- but everyone gains a little)

Her stake is satisfied by the educational taxes she pays and her ability to elect school board members.


Probably not completely -- if the parents are abusing a child, for instance, he has enough stake to report such activity.
If some kids are getting in to trouble -- said nosey neighbor has stake in finding ways to keep idle hands occupied, whether
that is ensuring a community center is accessible and inviting or if he ad hoc coaches basketball on some local park's court.
 
2013-04-08 09:38:55 PM

maxalt: Cheesus: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.

Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common refrain amo ...


WTF am I reading?
 
2013-04-08 09:39:29 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Flappyhead: Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?

Possible.  I've also suspected that the mods have the ability/are allowed to reset/rename/clear ignorelists and player notes of old accounts to make them appear new and/or backdate new troll accounts.


I wouldn't put it past them.  I've got a screen cap of at least one troll account that popped up one day after about 8 years of dormancy, tripped over itself and magically had it's posts deleted.
 
2013-04-08 09:42:25 PM
www.wantchinatimes.com
While you argue about silly word use, these children are being educated to the 21st century standard.
 
2013-04-08 09:43:18 PM

wndertwin: maxalt:  Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate to high school from the 1880's. The tests are available on the internet. Then rate youself as to education.

maxalt: Except those of us who are successful don't to troll, we say what we know to be true.

Do you meanthis purported  9th grade test from 1895 that was debunked as fake?

Keep telling us what you know is true....


I can tell you this I had to pass an exit exam to get out of High School  in 1968. It included math, science, biology, history, English and if you could not read at a college level, you would get a diploma that reflected that you were not up to the standards of achievement needed for college. Harsh maybe but that  non college diploma was a one way ticket to Vietnam, so believe me kids worked for that sheep skin, and no I did not think Vietnam was right. Any way I tire of this, most young people are socialists, that is until the time comes when it starts to cost them money, then capitalism here I come.
 
2013-04-08 09:43:55 PM

skullkrusher: Wow.. it's kind of sad how awesome ron paul was and how shiatty rand paul is. "
yeah, you sound liberal.


First off.. that post is almost 2 and a half years old. You don't think someone's political views can change at all in that amount of time?

Secondly, RP's only Republican in that that's his registered party.. his views are more libertarian than anything. I can get on board with some of his stances, but he's now on my "no way, no how, not ever" list since he seems to be okay with facist behavior as long as it's done at the state level and not the federal level. And that's not even getting into the economic derp...

I was a dumbass about supporting RP back then and I fully admit this.

skullkrusher: I am very tolerant of other people and other viewpoints and I'm a "con" as you say


In that case, you're in the minority and sound like someone I'd like to hang out with over a beer or two. The conservatives I see and deal with on a daily basis are the kind that are for "small government" as long as small government includes religious fundamentalism and dictating what consenting adults do in their own homes (but I repeat myself)
 
2013-04-08 09:44:25 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Lionel Mandrake: What the hell is with the Derp Squadron lately?  We expect lame, but this is an insult to lame.  If you guys aren't feeling up to it, maybe you should take a break and recharge those batteries.

I feel ya. This sh*t is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off the rails.


The weird thing is I've seen two trolls just today that are brand new to me but have accounts dating back to 2005. They have to be really new at this or...


Flappyhead: Satanic_Hamster: Flappyhead: Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?

Possible.  I've also suspected that the mods have the ability/are allowed to reset/rename/clear ignorelists and player notes of old accounts to make them appear new and/or backdate new troll accounts.

I wouldn't put it past them.  I've got a screen cap of at least one troll account that popped up one day after about 8 years of dormancy, tripped over itself and magically had it's posts deleted.


Ah, interesting theory. This would explain why the two I mention above never registered on my radar before today.
 
2013-04-08 09:44:57 PM
oi49.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-08 09:46:52 PM

TsukasaK: Secondly, RP's only Republican in that that's his registered party.. his views are more libertarian than anything


No, his views are pretty fascist, but only on a state level.
 
2013-04-08 09:47:51 PM
HOW DARE ANYONE SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY TO EACH OTHER AND ESPECIALLY TO OUR CHILDREN RRRRGH THIS MAKES ME SO MAD I'M GOING TO BLOG ABOUT IT AND THEN GO MASTURBATE INTO A COPY OF ATLAS SHRUGGED
 
2013-04-08 09:50:35 PM

cameroncrazy1984: TsukasaK: Secondly, RP's only Republican in that that's his registered party.. his views are more libertarian than anything

No, his views are pretty fascist, but only on a state level.


He's a neo-Confederate. Like, exactly.

(So, yeah, basically what you said).
 
2013-04-08 09:50:50 PM
I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.
 
2013-04-08 09:54:03 PM

badhatharry: I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.


Oh yeah, the whole "community concept" is something we've been keeping a secret all these years. You found us out!
 
2013-04-08 09:58:36 PM
This might mean people getting more involved in their community rather than subscribing to the mantra of "Fark you I've got mine!". 
This is the worst thing ever.
 
2013-04-08 10:01:22 PM

cameroncrazy1984: badhatharry: I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.

Oh yeah, the whole "community concept" is something we've been keeping a secret all these years. You found us out!


Next he'll discover the Mexican homobortion parties and the human sacrifices to the God of Atheism. We have to get rid of him.
 
2013-04-08 10:01:54 PM

fusillade762: Flappyhead: Satanic_Hamster: Flappyhead: Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?

Possible. I've also suspected that the mods have the ability/are allowed to reset/rename/clear ignorelists and player notes of old accounts to make them appear new and/or backdate new troll accounts.

I wouldn't put it past them. I've got a screen cap of at least one troll account that popped up one day after about 8 years of dormancy, tripped over itself and magically had it's posts deleted.

Ah, interesting theory. This would explain why the two I mention above never registered on my radar before today.


It makes the most sense.

Otherwise, that means people are sitting on dozens of troll accounts each and just pulling them out after 5+ years of nothing.  That goes past dedication into the realm of being farking pathetic.
 
2013-04-08 10:02:58 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: cameroncrazy1984: badhatharry: I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.

Oh yeah, the whole "community concept" is something we've been keeping a secret all these years. You found us out!

Next he'll discover the Mexican homobortion parties and the human sacrifices to the God of Atheism. We have to get rid of him.


He must have a mole at our semi-weekly gay orgies.
 
2013-04-08 10:03:30 PM

Lionel Mandrake: A Dark Evil Omen: cameroncrazy1984: badhatharry: I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.

Oh yeah, the whole "community concept" is something we've been keeping a secret all these years. You found us out!

Next he'll discover the Mexican homobortion parties and the human sacrifices to the God of Atheism. We have to get rid of him.

He must have a mole at our semi-weekly gay orgies.


I have a mole?!
 
2013-04-08 10:03:51 PM

Flappyhead: Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?


I spent the last 25 years working my buns off, now I can just live off of my work ethic. I still work just not 70 to 100 hours a week as I did once my son reached the age of 18 and was busy making his own life. I enjoy work and long hours, my wife worked long hours also so we would have a nest egg for our golden years. Now we have no bills, money put away and we travel when we feel like it. Everyone on this site just spews what you are told by someone else, I see very few independent thinkers here. Oh course NOT ALL of the people on here are cattle I have found some intelligent people here, but most just spew liberal talking points that they hear from the media and academia. Very few real thinkers are to be found on this site.
 
2013-04-08 10:04:28 PM

Majick Thise: Can I sue my community for child support?


When the state cuts school funding below legislative mandates...yes, you can.
 
2013-04-08 10:05:14 PM

Mrtraveler01: So is there an intelligent argument on why I should be outraged about this?


No, none at all.

I find the conservative backlash a bit odd since it seems that conservatives are the ones that talk most often about the old days when people knew each other and you couldn't get away with anything in front of any neighborhood parent because they talked with your parents.
 
2013-04-08 10:05:40 PM

NostroZ: [www.wantchinatimes.com image 450x295]
While you argue about silly word use, these children are being educated to the 21st century standard.


Yes, that's what we all want - 21st century 'Hitler Youth' looking kids.
 
2013-04-08 10:06:03 PM

Fart_Machine: maxalt: Cheesus: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.

Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common ref ...


An independent thinker, I believe half of what I see and none of what I hear until I can study and know for myself what is right or wrong.
 
2013-04-08 10:07:43 PM
There is a world of difference between saying we as a community have an obligation to help a neighbor in need vs. turn you children over to us, really things will be just fine.  Parental involvement is a key factor in a school performing above or below the average of its peers.  The higher the involvement, the more likely said school is performing a high level, the lower the level of involvement and there is a strong that school is not meeting even the most basic standards.

Growing up in Virginia in the mid to late 80's I was fortunate to have parents who were very involved in my schooling, but i also had three other sets of parents as there were four of us who were best of friends and rotated hanging out between homes... All of our parents were friends, sat together during our games and all of us listened to any of those parents as if they were our own.  And God help any of us if we had a teacher call home as we would have multiple "parents" to answer to....

This situation is completely different than the one Ms. Harris is advocating and she is wrong, wrong, wrong.
 
2013-04-08 10:08:09 PM

maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-08 10:08:34 PM

Philbb: Mrtraveler01: So is there an intelligent argument on why I should be outraged about this?

No, none at all.

I find the conservative backlash a bit odd since it seems that conservatives are the ones that talk most often about the old days when people knew each other and you couldn't get away with anything in front of any neighborhood parent because they talked with your parents.


Yes, but those people were all WASPs.
 
2013-04-08 10:09:45 PM
Unless you can afford them, children absolutely should be state property.  If you can't pay for 100% of your child's expenses, be they: food; clothing; shelter; tuition, or medical expenses, you have no business having them.  I did not ask you to let some scumbag go bareback in a dirty outhouse.  Your bastard isn't my problem.  If you can't afford your little 9-month menses, they should become wards of the state and be harvested for their organs and bodily nutrients.
 
2013-04-08 10:11:10 PM

jpo2269: There is a world of difference between saying we as a community have an obligation to help a neighbor in need vs. turn you children over to us, really things will be just fine.


Nobody is saying that except the morons on Red State.
 
2013-04-08 10:15:09 PM

maxalt: Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common refrain among their friends who were almost all teachers.


For being a bunch of socialist teachers, they sure did a piss poor job at accurately quoting Marx.
 
2013-04-08 10:16:42 PM

Fart_Machine: jpo2269: There is a world of difference between saying we as a community have an obligation to help a neighbor in need vs. turn you children over to us, really things will be just fine.

Nobody is saying that except the morons on Red State.


Apparently some people still don't get it.
 
2013-04-08 10:16:55 PM

maxalt: Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money


This is why everyone who toils behind the counter of a fast food restaurant is a millionaire.
 
2013-04-08 10:17:11 PM

NostroZ: [www.wantchinatimes.com image 450x295]
While you argue about silly word use, these children are being educated to the 21st century standard.


Does "the 21st century standard" mean "ripping off other people's intellectual property and making up lab results?"
 
2013-04-08 10:17:44 PM

badhatharry: Fart_Machine: jpo2269: There is a world of difference between saying we as a community have an obligation to help a neighbor in need vs. turn you children over to us, really things will be just fine.

Nobody is saying that except the morons on Red State.

Apparently some people still don't get it.


I agree, the folks at RedState still don't get it.
 
2013-04-08 10:19:46 PM

JesusJuice: Unless you can afford them, children absolutely should be state property.  If you can't pay for 100% of your child's expenses, be they: food; clothing; shelter; tuition, or medical expenses, you have no business having them.  I did not ask you to let some scumbag go bareback in a dirty outhouse.  Your bastard isn't my problem.  If you can't afford your little 9-month menses, they should become wards of the state and be harvested for their organs and bodily nutrients.


DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD!
 
2013-04-08 10:20:44 PM

Mrtraveler01: maxalt: Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common refrain among their friends who were almost all teachers.

For being a bunch of socialist teachers, they sure did a piss poor job at accurately quoting Marx.


"By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds"?

What the dick? That sounds like straight-up conservative and fascist talk, from the people at the bottom to our GRAND NATIONAL HEROES.

Then again, it's a dude with "alt" in his name.
 
2013-04-08 10:23:46 PM
Fart_Machine, badhatharry,

Maybe you should watch the video.  There is a distinct difference between "children belong to the whole community" vs. "we as a community have a responsibility to help shape our children's education and future.."
 
2013-04-08 10:24:40 PM

Dinki: So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents choose to abuse, neglect, or starve their children it's all good, right?


The free market will sort it out. When word gets around that those parents starve their children, no one will want to buy children from them.
 
2013-04-08 10:26:34 PM

jpo2269: Fart_Machine, badhatharry,

Maybe you should watch the video.  There is a distinct difference between "children belong to the whole community" vs. "we as a community have a responsibility to help shape our children's education and future.."


"Once it's everybody's responsibility and not just the household's we start making better investments" doesn't translate into "the state owns your kids".
 
2013-04-08 10:29:23 PM
So, apparently it doesn't take a village.  Not for conservatives, at least.
 
2013-04-08 10:34:22 PM

Fart_Machine: "Once it's everybody's responsibility and not just the household's we start making better investments" doesn't translate into "the state owns your kids".


You know the same sort of person will claim it's the states/schools responsibility to teach kids values/morals/religion.
 
2013-04-08 10:35:50 PM

Philbb: I find the conservative backlash a bit odd since it seems that conservatives are the ones that talk most often about the old days when people knew each other and you couldn't get away with anything in front of any neighborhood parent because they talked with your parents.


I'm not certain what your concern is here; conservatives appreciate the coherence of organic communities, but are suspicious of the claimed prerogatives of the State -- and the State is not a community. Traditional conservatives, as opposed to the mercenary right-liberals who increasingly claim the label of "conservative" today, believe that the ideal society would be bound together by ties of culture, values, and (as much as possible) kinship through shared descent. Since Western societies have become increasingly balkanized and atomized, many now look to government to provide us with things we either provided to ourselves in the past or were helped with by our neighbours, which is unequivocally a bad thing because the government is not made up of our neighbours or by people like us (unless you happen to live in Georgetown); the government does not love us or even have a fond regard for people like us, but patronizes us as ruling elites have perennially done to their subjects throughout the ages. As a result, its aid comes with far too many unwanted strings attached (and is very often unsustainable economically in the long term in any case).

I have no problem with the idea of my neighbours in a small and tight-knit community watching out for my children -- although naturally that would not mean that the neighbours had the same kind of claim upon or relationship with my children as I do; it doesn't "take a village to raise a child" so much as it takes parents to do so, with extended family and the wider community at large helping when necessary. I would however have a serious problem with a stranger from the State, who is by no means guaranteed to have anyone's best interests at heart, claiming an equal right to my children because of whatever misguided ideology they happen to be guided by. Bear in mind that there is ample historical precedent of tyrannical societies interfering with parental rights over their children in order to secure the obedience and indoctrination of those children for the service of Church or State -- though this fact may be surprising to those who have themselves been conditioned via public education to believe that governments are inherently benevolent and can be trusted to look after us and solve all of our problems.
 
2013-04-08 10:38:58 PM
I work for an Indian tribe, largely working with child welfare cases. It's interesting, because the community interest in the welfare and education of children is expressly written into our laws. For example, where a state court would apply the "best interest of the child" standard, the applicable standard in our system is "the best interest of the child and the Tribe."
 
2013-04-08 10:41:33 PM

I Like Bread: The free market will sort it out. When word gets around that those parents starve their children, no one will want to buy children from them.


Look: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy... I haven't read the whole thread, has anybody said the "LOL GO TO SOMALIA" thing yet? That one's a classic (and easily the modern equivalent of "if you don't like it here, go to Russia").
 
2013-04-08 10:42:28 PM

TsukasaK: First off.. that post is almost 2 and a half years old. You don't think someone's political views can change at all in that amount of time?


certainly. In fact, that's what I just said about you, isn't it?

TsukasaK: I was a dumbass about supporting RP back then and I fully admit this.


agreed

TsukasaK: In that case, you're in the minority and sound like someone I'd like to hang out with over a beer or two. The conservatives I see and deal with on a daily basis are the kind that are for "small government" as long as small government includes religious fundamentalism and dictating what consenting adults do in their own homes (but I repeat myself)


I might've pegged you wrong. My apologies. I am the furthest thing from a fundi. I don't embrace the "fark religion" that many do around these parts and elsewhere but my soul is mine, yours is yours and whether it exists or not, you're welcome to yours and I expect you to leave mine alone as well.
I am also terribly fond of beer.
 
2013-04-08 10:42:53 PM
The amount of comments I can't see almost makes me want to turn off the filters....

/Almost.
 
2013-04-08 10:45:08 PM

Fart_Machine: This might mean people getting more involved in their community rather than subscribing to the mantra of "Fark you I've got mine!". 
This is the worst thing ever.


Gotta love this false polarization of opposites on Fark... if you don't want someone from the government taking a larger than necessary role in the upbringing of your children, it obviously means you're a selfish bastard who wants to send them out to work as chimney sweeps.
 
2013-04-08 10:46:15 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy


They're just different flavors of the same Kool-Aid. No one over the age of 20 subscribes to either political philosophy without first suffering some sort of cerebral injury.
 
2013-04-08 10:46:24 PM

Emposter: So, apparently it doesn't take a village.  Not for conservatives, at least.


It wasn't a conservative who said "it takes a village"... so, no.
 
2013-04-08 10:48:05 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Tell me, have you figured out how you can be amused by something without finding it funny or are you still pretending not to speak English?

I'm not the one who doesn't understand the definiton of "synonym," here, nor the definitions of "amused" and "funny"


"to entertain or occupy in a light, playful, or pleasant manner"
 
2013-04-08 10:50:13 PM

BMulligan: EvilRacistNaziFascist: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy

They're just different flavors of the same Kool-Aid.


They are different ideologies altogether. Having a government and not having a government are two very different things.

No one over the age of 20 subscribes to either political philosophy without first suffering some sort of cerebral injury.

It is not an endorsement of either libertarianism or anarchy to point out that they are quite distinct, at least as much so as left- liberalism and Stalinism.
 
2013-04-08 10:50:20 PM

falcon176: isn't this the site that said "fark your reality I want to live in mine go away libs" if so then this is truly the greatest site on the internet and you libs should all bookmark it and visit it daily so you can be re-educated into being intelligent


Oh, you.
 
2013-04-08 10:50:22 PM

BMulligan: EvilRacistNaziFascist: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy

They're just different flavors of the same Kool-Aid. No one over the age of 20 subscribes to either political philosophy without first suffering some sort of cerebral injury.


quoth the middle-aged self-described socialist ;)
 
2013-04-08 10:51:14 PM
Fart_Machine,

I might be willing to accept your assertion had Ms. Harris not preceded your quote with her proclamation that "children don't belong to families..."
 
2013-04-08 10:54:10 PM

Philbb: Mrtraveler01: So is there an intelligent argument on why I should be outraged about this?

No, none at all.

I find the conservative backlash a bit odd since it seems that conservatives are the ones that talk most often about the old days when people knew each other and you couldn't get away with anything in front of any neighborhood parent because they talked with your parents.


You find it odd?

The core group of conservatives really aren't very consistent with their belief system. It really does seem more like a "ok, tune into this website and find out what I believe in today" kind of thing.  I work really hard to be civil and try to discuss ideas as I do have right winger friends and they aren't bad people, but I swear they are so much more in step with each other than the lefties.

The ACA or Ronald Regan are pefect examples.  You can go from being the epitome of right wing ideals, to being some horrible liberal propaganda in the span of a decade.
 
2013-04-08 10:55:50 PM

maxalt: Huggermugger: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

If it wasn't for liberal do-gooders, child abuse would not be illegal.

That is not true.


It absolutely is true.

My grandfather was one of the pioneers of child welfare in the 20th century.  He started out his life being thrown into an orphanage at the age of five, along with his four brothers, because their father had died in the Far East in 1912 and it took their mother over five years to obtain enough documentation to collect on life insurance.  Grandpa's Dickensian childhood motivated him to work on passing laws to protect children from abuse.  He was a juvie officer, a parole officer, managed an orphanage himself, and earned a Master's in sociology, after which he was a Professor of Sociology at several Universities.

As for myself, I saw firsthand in the 1960s, living in the Deep South, that several kids in my school and in the community were being horribly abused by their parents, and everyone turned their backs on the situation: the teachers refused to get involved, the cops were afraid of interfering, and the "good people of the church" were the worst of all, they actually enabled it by proclaiming that a father was sovereign in his household and it was a sin for the state to interfere.  Later on, in the 1970s, I knew several kids in my high school who lived in the orphanage in Raleigh, which was a snakepit of a place where kids had the shiat beat out of them, and several of them were even pimped out to local pedophiles.  In all of those situations, the only people who actually tried to change the laws and who worked to protect the kids were liberal do-gooders who stood up to the status quo of law enforcement, the courts, and the church, all of whom enabled horrible abuse of children.
 
2013-04-08 10:56:26 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: No not at all.
I am just pointing out that I agree with you.
You said "This post lacks effort".
I agree that you the post you created lacked effort.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-08 10:57:32 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Philbb: I find the conservative backlash a bit odd since it seems that conservatives are the ones that talk most often about the old days when people knew each other and you couldn't get away with anything in front of any neighborhood parent because they talked with your parents.

I'm not certain what your concern is here; conservatives appreciate the coherence of organic communities, but are suspicious of the claimed prerogatives of the State -- and the State is not a community. Traditional conservatives, as opposed to the mercenary right-liberals who increasingly claim the label of "conservative" today, believe that the ideal society would be bound together by ties of culture, values, and (as much as possible) kinship through shared descent. Since Western societies have become increasingly balkanized and atomized, many now look to government to provide us with things we either provided to ourselves in the past or were helped with by our neighbours, which is unequivocally a bad thing because the government is not made up of our neighbours or by people like us (unless you happen to live in Georgetown); the government does not love us or even have a fond regard for people like us, but patronizes us as ruling elites have perennially done to their subjects throughout the ages. As a result, its aid comes with far too many unwanted strings attached (and is very often unsustainable economically in the long term in any case).

I have no problem with the idea of my neighbours in a small and tight-knit community watching out for my children -- although naturally that would not mean that the neighbours had the same kind of claim upon or relationship with my children as I do; it doesn't "take a village to raise a child" so much as it takes parents to do so, with extended family and the wider community at large helping when necessary. I would however have a serious problem with a stranger from the State, who is by no means guaranteed to have anyone's best interests at heart, cl ...


I have to say, that I love how so many right wingers are now brushed off as "liberals" these days.

Serious question.  So do you think that like 90% of Americans are "liberals"? If all of democrats are, and so many republicans (like GW was super liberal!) then there really aren't many left to be true conservatives.
 
2013-04-08 10:59:46 PM

maxalt: Any way I tire of this, most young people are socialists, that is until the time comes when it starts to cost them money, then capitalism here I come.


The usual course of action is to pursue a typically consumerist lifestyle while continuing to espouse the same leftist values you did in your youth; that way, you get to enjoy the material benefits of capitalism while retaining the higher moral status that goes along with denouncing it. A certain amount of cognitive dissonance is involved and a few pangs of conscience and self-doubt may arise, but these are easily suppressed. It is after all tremendously rewarding to the ego to be able to feel superior both to those who are less politically enlightened than you are and to those who have less disposable income than you do.
 
2013-04-08 10:59:48 PM

skullkrusher: BMulligan: EvilRacistNaziFascist: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy

They're just different flavors of the same Kool-Aid. No one over the age of 20 subscribes to either political philosophy without first suffering some sort of cerebral injury.

quoth the middle-aged self-described socialist ;)


Everyone who understands how markets work is a socialist, whether they actually embrace the label or not (most, in fact, do not).
 
2013-04-08 11:02:23 PM

BMulligan: skullkrusher: BMulligan: EvilRacistNaziFascist: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy

They're just different flavors of the same Kool-Aid. No one over the age of 20 subscribes to either political philosophy without first suffering some sort of cerebral injury.

quoth the middle-aged self-described socialist ;)

Everyone who understands how markets work is a socialist, whether they actually embrace the label or not (most, in fact, do not).


we're playing real loose with terminology here I think, papi
 
2013-04-08 11:03:15 PM

keithgabryelski: BarkingUnicorn: keithgabryelski: indylaw: Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.

yes, but that nosy biatch down the road has some stake in your child's ability to become a productive member of society.
(your neighbors more than their neighbors -- but everyone gains a little)

Her stake is satisfied by the educational taxes she pays and her ability to elect school board members.

Probably not completely -- if the parents are abusing a child, for instance, he has enough stake to report such activity.
If some kids are getting in to trouble -- said nosey neighbor has stake in finding ways to keep idle hands occupied, whether
that is ensuring a community center is accessible and inviting or if he ad hoc coaches basketball on some local park's court.


Meh.  We're talking about education.  Sure, there are stakes in other aspects of a child's well-being.

But having a stake in something does not mean it belongs to you or that you have authority over it.  It means that it's in your interest to help take care of it.

What is that interest?  You take care of it because the act of doing so makes you feel good and you anticipate future results that will make you feel good.  Some people get off on taking care of kids; others don't but they like the future results, e. g., better workers to hire and be served by, fewer criminals to fear.

We getting better workers and fewer criminals than we would without education?  That's why educators need to sell, if they can.  Peddling ownership of other people's kids and responsibility for them is not going to work... at least, not in any way that's good for kids.

This "belong to" crap, repeated three times in 30 seconds, is a gift to opponents of public education.
 
2013-04-08 11:04:51 PM

BMulligan: I work for an Indian tribe, largely working with child welfare cases. It's interesting, because the community interest in the welfare and education of children is expressly written into our laws. For example, where a state court would apply the "best interest of the child" standard, the applicable standard in our system is "the best interest of the child and the Tribe."


That is interesting.  Are the two presumed to be synonymous?  If not, which is superior?
 
2013-04-08 11:04:55 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: I Like Bread: The free market will sort it out. When word gets around that those parents starve their children, no one will want to buy children from them.

Look: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy... I haven't read the whole thread, has anybody said the "LOL GO TO SOMALIA" thing yet? That one's a classic (and easily the modern equivalent of "if you don't like it here, go to Russia").


Those arguments may not be compelling, but neither are the ones we receive from the libertarians.  What strikes me is that this philosophy is all about what ifs, never about "this actually happened".

The reality is that private enterprise never developed the interstate system, didn't develop a railroad system without serious government help, didn't develop the internet etc. etc.

And that doesn't even touch on the insane levels of transaction costs that would be imposed upon every single transaction in society without government intervention. Sure the free market will make sure ultimately that Soda Brand X doesn't contain poison, but glazing over the few people killed for the market to learn that, do you guys really think anyone would try new products in that enviornment? Every single thing we did would be a long and drawn out process to mitigate the risk that government regulation mitigates for us.

No doubt government is in fact a non-producing drain on human enterprise, but in what it takes it absolutely can faciliate far greater growth as risks are reduced.  Yeah, I could take 29 different private highways to get around the US, but just dealing with the billing systems for 29 companies would cost me a fortune if I owned a trucking company.
 
2013-04-08 11:14:12 PM

skullkrusher: we're playing real loose with terminology here I think, papi


Of course. Also, being intentionally provocative. Not altogether kidding, though.

BarkingUnicorn: That is interesting.  Are the two presumed to be synonymous?  If not, which is superior?


Those are good questions, with no immediately obvious answer. I think the two interests are presumed to be more or less congruent more often than not. In the event of a genuine conflict, though, it might be a difficult call. It would probably depend to a large degree on how compelling the tribal interest is - if the matter went to the very survival and continuity of the tribe, the tribal interest might well trump.
 
2013-04-08 11:15:54 PM

BarkingUnicorn: keithgabryelski: BarkingUnicorn: keithgabryelski: indylaw: Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.

yes, but that nosy biatch down the road has some stake in your child's ability to become a productive member of society.
(your neighbors more than their neighbors -- but everyone gains a little)

Her stake is satisfied by the educational taxes she pays and her ability to elect school board members.

Probably not completely -- if the parents are abusing a child, for instance, he has enough stake to report such activity.
If some kids are getting in to trouble -- said nosey neighbor has stake in finding ways to keep idle hands occupied, whether
that is ensuring a community center is accessible and inviting or if he ad hoc coaches basketball on some local park's court.

Meh.  We're talking about education.  Sure, there are stakes in other aspects of a child's well-being.

But having a stake in something does not mean it belongs to you or that you have authority over it.  It means that it's in your interest to help take care of it.

What is that interest?  You take care of it because the act of doing so makes you feel good and you anticipate future results that will make you feel good.  Some people get off on taking care of kids; others don't but they like the future results, e. g., better workers to hire and be served by, fewer criminals to fear.

We getting better workers and fewer criminals than we would without education?  That's why educators need to sell, if they can.  Peddling ownership of other people's kids and responsibility for them is not going to work... at least, not in any way that's good for kids.

This "belong to" crap, repeated three times in 30 seconds, is a gift to opponents of public education.


I am pretty sure her point is that the education of kids is important for society at large and therefore it makes sense for society to collectively encourage it but holy crap that was a stupid way to say it
 
2013-04-08 11:17:22 PM

BMulligan: Of course. Also, being intentionally provocative. Not altogether kidding, though.


it can't be both. Hell, I support the "socialization" of electric utilities and I am nothing resembling a socialist. Not even a double secret one
 
2013-04-08 11:21:57 PM
MSNBC is just as bad as Fox news. Do yourself a favor and turn off the TV.
 
2013-04-08 11:22:41 PM
nocturnal001: I have to say, that I love how so many right wingers are now brushed off as "liberals" these days.

Really? By whom? I thought I was one of the few doing it. After all, if society is made up mostly of liberals and right wingers, and the right wingers are being "brushed off" as liberals, who's left to do the brushing off?

Serious question.  So do you think that like 90% of Americans are "liberals"?

In the sense that they subscribe to a false ideal of egalitarianism, yes.

What you have to keep in mind is that American society (and the West as a whole) is continually shifting towards the Left. If you don't believe that, consider that the opinions that are routinely denounced as "fringe", "extremist" or "hateful" today were the opinions held by most Americans and Westerners in 1960 -- or in some cases even in 1985, for that matter. (Who was for "gay marriage" in 1985, for example? Almost nobody. But now you're a horrible bigot if you're against it). What most "conservatives" believe today is simply what most liberals believed forty or fifty years ago. That isn't conserving anything.

If all of democrats are, and so many republicans (like GW was super liberal!)

I don't recall saying that Bush Jr., was "super liberal", but he was certainly not the arch-conservative he was made out to be by his detractors. For example, he was soft on illegal immigration, embraced the idea of civic nationalism (in which the national background of prospective immigrants was irrelevant), expanded the role of the State in providing prescription drugs, was extremely financially irresponsible (see Iraq), etc.

then there really aren't many left to be true conservatives.

No, there aren't. And this is the great gamble that American society is taking: that it can continue to radically transform itself as it has done over the past forty or so years -- all the while marginalizing the values and the intellectual legacy of those who chiefly built the country as being hopelessly backward and obsolescent -- while retaining its past strength, prosperity, and individual liberties. It won't succeed, and in fact the American experiment in progressivism is already visibly failing for those who have the honesty and courage to look at the situation honestly.
 
2013-04-08 11:26:31 PM

Huggermugger: As for myself, I saw firsthand in the 1960s, living in the Deep South, that several kids in my school and in the community were being horribly abused by their parents, and everyone turned their backs on the situation: the teachers refused to get involved, the cops were afraid of interfering, and the "good people of the church" were the worst of all, they actually enabled it by proclaiming that a father was sovereign in his household and it was a sin for the state to interfere.  Later on, in the 1970s, I knew several kids in my high school who lived in the orphanage in Raleigh, which was a snakepit of a place where kids had the shiat beat out of them, and several of them were even pimped out to local pedophiles.


Those were simpler times.  Freer times.
 
2013-04-08 11:29:12 PM

skullkrusher: BMulligan: Of course. Also, being intentionally provocative. Not altogether kidding, though.

it can't be both. Hell, I support the "socialization" of electric utilities and I am nothing resembling a socialist. Not even a double secret one


For some people socialism is a philosophy. I think it's better treated as a tool, though - a means for addressing inevitable market failures when they occur. Oh, and I also fully approve of tarring and feathering the investor class and their toadies in management, so there's that.
 
2013-04-08 11:30:25 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: No, there aren't. And this is the great gamble that American society is taking: that it can continue to radically transform itself as it has done over the past forty or so years -- all the while marginalizing the values and the intellectual legacy of those who chiefly built the country as being hopelessly backward and obsolescent -- while retaining its past strength, prosperity, and individual liberties. It won't succeed, and in fact the American experiment in progressivism is already visibly failing for those who have the honesty and courage to look at the situation honestly.


Uh, those guys chiefly built America as an experiment in progressivism.

Well, that, and to make money.
 
2013-04-08 11:30:43 PM

skullkrusher: BarkingUnicorn: keithgabryelski: BarkingUnicorn: keithgabryelski: indylaw: Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.

yes, but that nosy biatch down the road has some stake in your child's ability to become a productive member of society.
(your neighbors more than their neighbors -- but everyone gains a little)

Her stake is satisfied by the educational taxes she pays and her ability to elect school board members.

Probably not completely -- if the parents are abusing a child, for instance, he has enough stake to report such activity.
If some kids are getting in to trouble -- said nosey neighbor has stake in finding ways to keep idle hands occupied, whether
that is ensuring a community center is accessible and inviting or if he ad hoc coaches basketball on some local park's court.

Meh.  We're talking about education.  Sure, there are stakes in other aspects of a child's well-being.

But having a stake in something does not mean it belongs to you or that you have authority over it.  It means that it's in your interest to help take care of it.

What is that interest?  You take care of it because the act of doing so makes you feel good and you anticipate future results that will make you feel good.  Some people get off on taking care of kids; others don't but they like the future results, e. g., better workers to hire and be served by, fewer criminals to fear.

We getting better workers and fewer criminals than we would without education?  That's why educators need to sell, if they can.  Peddling ownership of other people's kids and responsibility for them is not going to work... at least, not in any way that's good for kids.

This "belong to" crap, repeated three times in 30 seconds, is a gift to opponents of public education.

I am pretty sure her point is that the education of kids is important for society at large and therefore it makes sense for socie ...


She is very smart and very clear. She believes we need to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents because it is not in the best interest of the collective. This is an old, bad idea.
 
2013-04-08 11:32:10 PM

BMulligan: skullkrusher: BMulligan: Of course. Also, being intentionally provocative. Not altogether kidding, though.

it can't be both. Hell, I support the "socialization" of electric utilities and I am nothing resembling a socialist. Not even a double secret one

For some people socialism is a philosophy. I think it's better treated as a tool, though - a means for addressing inevitable market failures when they occur. Oh, and I also fully approve of tarring and feathering the investor class and their toadies in management, so there's that.


meh, it makes sense when it makes sense. Public works, for example. I have nothing against people who make a farkload of money by investing wisely. This can be done with a sense of morality. I suppose that is an important difference. I don't wanna tar and feather wealthy investors as a rule. Handling market failures is another thing. This can and should be done short of collectivizing the means of production.
 
2013-04-08 11:33:16 PM

badhatharry: She is very smart and very clear. She believes we need to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents because it is not in the best interest of the collective. This is an old, bad idea.


I don't think she's saying that. If she is, she is welcome to this bag of dicks I save for just such occasions.
 
2013-04-08 11:34:28 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: nocturnal001: I have to say, that I love how so many right wingers are now brushed off as "liberals" these days.

Really? By whom? I thought I was one of the few doing it. After all, if society is made up mostly of liberals and right wingers, and the right wingers are being "brushed off" as liberals, who's left to do the brushing off?

Serious question.  So do you think that like 90% of Americans are "liberals"?

In the sense that they subscribe to a false ideal of egalitarianism, yes.

What you have to keep in mind is that American society (and the West as a whole) is continually shifting towards the Left. If you don't believe that, consider that the opinions that are routinely denounced as "fringe", "extremist" or "hateful" today were the opinions held by most Americans and Westerners in 1960 -- or in some cases even in 1985, for that matter. (Who was for "gay marriage" in 1985, for example? Almost nobody. But now you're a horrible bigot if you're against it). What most "conservatives" believe today is simply what most liberals believed forty or fifty years ago. That isn't conserving anything.

If all of democrats are, and so many republicans (like GW was super liberal!)

I don't recall saying that Bush Jr., was "super liberal", but he was certainly not the arch-conservative he was made out to be by his detractors. For example, he was soft on illegal immigration, embraced the idea of civic nationalism (in which the national background of prospective immigrants was irrelevant), expanded the role of the State in providing prescription drugs, was extremely financially irresponsible (see Iraq), etc.

then there really aren't many left to be true conservatives.

No, there aren't. And this is the great gamble that American society is taking: that it can continue to radically transform itself as it has done over the past forty or so years -- all the while marginalizing the values and the intellectual legacy of those who chiefly built the country as being hopelessly backw ...


Are things like being against gay marriage really halmarks of conservative ideology? I've just never viewed true conservatism as having anything to do with cultural norms.

RE GW, when he was brought forward, he was championed as being the perfect conservative.  Now, maybe that was marketing used to win the election but still.  I literally saw him called a champion of conservatism to being brushed off as "he really was just a liberal" in a span of 8 years. His father had much of the same complaints, and I think Reagan would share that space as well if people really knew what he did.  Lefties may have celebrated Clinton and Obama for being "good" presidents or whatever, but they are not heralded as being paragons of liberalism.
 
2013-04-08 11:34:35 PM

BMulligan: skullkrusher: we're playing real loose with terminology here I think, papi

Of course. Also, being intentionally provocative. Not altogether kidding, though.

BarkingUnicorn: That is interesting.  Are the two presumed to be synonymous?  If not, which is superior?

Those are good questions, with no immediately obvious answer. I think the two interests are presumed to be more or less congruent more often than not. In the event of a genuine conflict, though, it might be a difficult call. It would probably depend to a large degree on how compelling the tribal interest is - if the matter went to the very survival and continuity of the tribe, the tribal interest might well trump.


Well, that's no different from the white man's view of things.  What's good for the child is good for society, until we need some cannon fodder.
 
2013-04-08 11:35:04 PM
These people will derp about anything, won't they?
 
2013-04-08 11:35:19 PM
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2013-04-08 11:35:53 PM

HeartBurnKid: These people will derp about anything, won't they?


she did choose her words in a most stupid fashion
 
2013-04-08 11:38:36 PM

BMulligan: skullkrusher: BMulligan: Of course. Also, being intentionally provocative. Not altogether kidding, though.

it can't be both. Hell, I support the "socialization" of electric utilities and I am nothing resembling a socialist. Not even a double secret one

For some people socialism is a philosophy. I think it's better treated as a tool, though - a means for addressing inevitable market failures when they occur. Oh, and I also fully approve of tarring and feathering the investor class and their toadies in management, so there's that.


Market failures and a large wealth divide aren't bugs, they're features.  Capitalism is supposed to work like that.

There's nothing to address!

Therefore, socialism is useless.  QED
 
2013-04-08 11:38:52 PM

skullkrusher: I have nothing against people who make a farkload of money by investing wisely. This can be done with a sense of morality.


Ehh.. it feels like the investor types got their money not through anything illegal or unethical, but it still skeeves me out on some level because they're not contributing anything useful to society. They're not creating a product or doing a useful service, they're just shifting money around.

It seems like the most chickensh*t way possible to make a buck.
 
2013-04-08 11:39:24 PM

HappyTheDog: MSNBC is just as bad as Fox news. Do yourself a favor and turn off the TV.


Blow up your TV
Throw away your paper
Move to the country
Build you a home
Plant a little garden
Eat a lotta peaches
Try to find Jesus on your own.
 
2013-04-08 11:40:06 PM

skullkrusher: badhatharry: She is very smart and very clear. She believes we need to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents because it is not in the best interest of the collective. This is an old, bad idea.

I don't think she's saying that. If she is, she is welcome to this bag of dicks I save for just such occasions.


But... It takes a village to raise a child!
 
2013-04-08 11:40:09 PM

skullkrusher: I don't wanna tar and feather wealthy investors as a rule.


It's just a hobby, like golf.

The interesting thing, of course, is that our brand of capitalism is all about collectivizing the means of production. That's all corporations are - we don't think of them that way, though, because not everyone is invited to participate. It is no coincidence that corporate existence endures only at the pleasure of the state, you know. Nor is it a coincidence that such collectively owned enterprises enjoy significant legal benefits along with their state-issued charter, not least of which is limited liability. When people like me talk about socializing risk while privatizing return, this is part of what we're talking about.
 
2013-04-08 11:40:10 PM
I wish someone would take responsibility for their kids.

Parents these days sure aren't.
 
2013-04-08 11:40:12 PM
Children belong to themselves. Their parents do not own them, the state does not own them, the local community do not own them.

The cult of parental ownership which dominates many cultures leads to a lot of terrible things from the obvious and direct (abuse and exploitation) to the less obvious and/or indirect (poor or perverted education, indoctrination etc), though it also has benefits.. but a balance must be struck.  The community does not OWN children, but it has responsibilities to them and the right to make laws and institute systems which govern how children are raised.
 
2013-04-08 11:42:28 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Well, that's no different from the white man's view of things.  What's good for the child is good for society, until we need some cannon fodder.


Not exactly the same thing, but I see your point.
 
2013-04-08 11:42:41 PM

HappyTheDog: MSNBC is just as bad as Fox news. Do yourself a favor and turn off the TV.


Both spin, only one lies.

Liberals don't hate Fox because they're the official rightwing news network (it is), but because they  lie and make shiat up.
 
2013-04-08 11:43:24 PM
This is a fairly straightforward and uncontroversial fact in the civilized world today. Parents don't own their children - they're merely (usually) recognized as the actors charged with securing the child's interests. In cases where they clearly fail to do so, it is the duty of the state (or society, or whatever you want to call it) to step in.

But that isn't even what was being talked about there. It was the even more obvious (to the point of being trite and silly, almost) point that society should actively look out for all children rather than leaving that burden entirely on the parents.

The only way a person would be outraged by this to the point of comparing it to slavery (assuming he isn't trolling) is if he's literally retarded.
 
2013-04-08 11:44:31 PM

TsukasaK: skullkrusher: I have nothing against people who make a farkload of money by investing wisely. This can be done with a sense of morality.

Ehh.. it feels like the investor types got their money not through anything illegal or unethical, but it still skeeves me out on some level because they're not contributing anything useful to society. They're not creating a product or doing a useful service, they're just shifting money around.

It seems like the most chickensh*t way possible to make a buck.


I used to get confused by that, too.  Then I realized that most people are trained to equate "lazy" with "not productive," instead of "not hard working."

That is how you can have "lazy" poors work two minimum wage jobs, and "hard working" richies who sit on their fat asses all day.  The fat asses make more money, so they are working harder.

We parrot our bosses and measure ourselves by capital creation.  :\
 
2013-04-08 11:46:54 PM

skullkrusher: HeartBurnKid: These people will derp about anything, won't they?

she did choose her words in a most stupid fashion


Let's be honest here, they would derp about any choice of words. These just happen to be the ones she chose.
 
2013-04-08 11:47:00 PM

badhatharry: This "belong to" crap, repeated three times in 30 seconds, is a gift to opponents of public education.

I am pretty sure her point is that the education of kids is important for society at large and therefore it makes sense for socie ...

She is very smart and very clear. She believes we need to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents because it is not in the best interest of the collective. This is an old, bad idea.


Indeed it is old; upthread I quoted the good Dr. Benjamin Rush, who signed the Declaration of Independence and a strong advocate of public schools, saying explicitly that a student must learn that he does not belong to himself but to the state, and that he should love his family but be prepared to leave them to meet the state's needs.
 
2013-04-08 11:47:44 PM

nocturnal001: The reality is that private enterprise never developed the interstate system, didn't develop a railroad system without serious government help, didn't develop the internet etc. etc.


I've already established that I'm a conservative rather than a libertarian, but I'd just like you ask you a question: where do you think the all- benevolent State got the money from to pay for all these wonderful innovations? It is, regrettably, capitalist free enterprise that generates the wealth, that in turn creates the tax-base, that in turn makes government spending (whether well-directed or not) possible to begin with. And here's another question: what great enterprises has the government given us recently? And if there are fewer great enterprises in the US -- such as dams and power plants and space programmes, etc. -- than there have been in the past, why do you think that might be?

And that doesn't even touch on the insane levels of transaction costs that would be imposed upon every single transaction in society without government intervention. Sure the free market will make sure ultimately that Soda Brand X doesn't contain poison, but glazing over the few people killed for the market to learn that,

In reality, a vanishingly small number of people have ever died from drinking poison soda. But over the past one hundred years alone something like 125 million people have been directly murdered by their governments. This is why the idea of regarding governments as inherently benevolent entities whose only mission is to save us from ourselves is dangerously naive. Again, I am not a libertarian and I am not opposed to the reasonable regulation of foodstuffs -- but if you think the free market is anywhere near as great a danger to your health as uncontrolled levels of government, you are completely ignorant of history.

I'm sadly old-fashioned, so I tend to look at these issues from a moral perspective. I assume that individual human beings are naturally fallible and corruptible, and that when they join together to form associations and institutions the fallibility and corruptibility are correspondingly magnified. This is why (although no Utopia is ever possible) a decentralized society is ultimately preferable, because the amount of human evil and its potential for ill- effects are minimized at a local level. The reason why the free market, even with its flaws, is preferable to big government is because each merchant in a free market is a finite entity. You drink X soda, it tastes like sh*t, you don't buy it again; you switch to Y soda, which is better. (Or stick to drinking water, which is best of all!) But the government, with its monopoly of force, is theoretically infinite in its reach. It can offer a product -- no matter how shoddy -- and forbid anyone else from offering the same kind of product; it can even compel you to consume its product (e.g. as in those countries where public education is mandatory and private education and/or homeschooling are forbidden). The government is always the greatest potential abuser because of its authority to discipline and punish. And why, if we are willing to always assume the worst of a private company who cannot compel us to do anything, should we be so willing to always assume the best of a government which can compel us to do everything?
 
2013-04-08 11:51:44 PM

sendtodave: Huggermugger: ater on, in the 1970s, I knew several kids in my high school who lived in the orphanage in Raleigh, which was a snakepit of a place where kids had the shiat beat out of them, and several of them were even pimped out to local pedophiles.

Those were simpler times.  Freer times.


Nowadays social workers just place the kids in foster care instead, where the same kind of abuse takes place. Nothing has changed.
 
2013-04-08 11:52:14 PM

BMulligan: skullkrusher: I don't wanna tar and feather wealthy investors as a rule.

It's just a hobby, like golf.

The interesting thing, of course, is that our brand of capitalism is all about collectivizing the means of production. That's all corporations are - we don't think of them that way, though, because not everyone is invited to participate. It is no coincidence that corporate existence endures only at the pleasure of the state, you know. Nor is it a coincidence that such collectively owned enterprises enjoy significant legal benefits along with their state-issued charter, not least of which is limited liability. When people like me talk about socializing risk while privatizing return, this is part of what we're talking about.


corporate existence ONLY endures because of the pleasure of the state. However, collective ownership would exist regardless. I also want corporations held accountable for the misdeeds. Part of the reason I'd like to see corporations as we now understand them cease to exist. Fantasy, of course, but also very free market-y
 
2013-04-08 11:52:57 PM

skullkrusher: HeartBurnKid: These people will derp about anything, won't they?

she did choose her words in a most stupid fashion


Did you notice all the cuts in the commercial?  They took a lengthy screed and edited it down to 30 seconds.  She was on a roll, and her true thoughts spilled out.  The foolishness lies in the editing.  Commercials are supposed to be scripted to avoid this sort of blooper.
 
2013-04-08 11:57:19 PM

TsukasaK: skullkrusher: I have nothing against people who make a farkload of money by investing wisely. This can be done with a sense of morality.

Ehh.. it feels like the investor types got their money not through anything illegal or unethical, but it still skeeves me out on some level because they're not contributing anything useful to society. They're not creating a product or doing a useful service, they're just shifting money around.

It seems like the most chickensh*t way possible to make a buck.


on the contrary, it's a pretty daring way to make a buck. You build tables for a living, you still have your tools and lumber if you can't sell any for a time. You make some bad decisions, *poof*, investment capital is gone.

Perhaps I'm partial working for a hedge fund and all and I fully understand where you're coming from in terms of direct contributions to society but it is what it is and as long as we have publicly traded corporations (best vehicle for growing wealth for pretty much everyone regardless of what you have to invest) it's going to exist.
I also fully support VCs. I just don't support loading corps with debt, raiding pension funds and then pawning the husk off.
 
2013-04-08 11:58:29 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: HeartBurnKid: These people will derp about anything, won't they?

she did choose her words in a most stupid fashion

Let's be honest here, they would derp about any choice of words. These just happen to be the ones she chose.


well perhaps but if tomorrow BO came out and said "I'm a Muslim socialist here for your white babies" I don't think we could really fault them for saying ummm wtf?
 
2013-04-08 11:59:05 PM

sendtodave: skullkrusher: badhatharry: She is very smart and very clear. She believes we need to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents because it is not in the best interest of the collective. This is an old, bad idea.

I don't think she's saying that. If she is, she is welcome to this bag of dicks I save for just such occasions.

But... It takes a village to raise a child!


Hillary will have her turn in 3 years, don't worry
 
2013-04-08 11:59:09 PM

gaspode: Children belong to themselves. Their parents do not own them, the state does not own them, the local community do not own them.

The cult of parental ownership which dominates many cultures leads to a lot of terrible things from the obvious and direct (abuse and exploitation) to the less obvious and/or indirect (poor or perverted education, indoctrination etc), though it also has benefits.. but a balance must be struck.  The community does not OWN children, but it has responsibilities to them and the right to make laws and institute systems which govern how children are raised.


The community has interests in children, not responsibilities.  Its right to make laws and govern arise from its power to do so.

You might Kahlil Gibran's "On Children."  It's addressed to parents.
 
2013-04-09 12:00:55 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.


Nah, they both get dumped in the grinder.  The guns are the iron supplement.  The kids are "meat by-product".
 
2013-04-09 12:07:33 AM

FlippityFlap: The amount of comments I can't see almost makes me want to turn off the filters....

/Almost.


This thread brought all the Usual Suspects to the yard. And a couple of headscratching new ones.
 
2013-04-09 12:09:07 AM

Mrtraveler01: maxalt: Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common refrain among their friends who were almost all teachers.

For being a bunch of socialist teachers, they sure did a piss poor job at accurately quoting Marx.


They had to make it rhyme so it would sink in with teh kiddies.
 
2013-04-09 12:12:43 AM

skullkrusher: badhatharry: She is very smart and very clear. She believes we need to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents because it is not in the best interest of the collective. This is an old, bad idea.

I don't think she's saying that. If she is, she is welcome to this bag of dicks I save for just such occasions.


I think that is exactly what she is saying.  She is the social worker that shows up at the front door with the sheriff to take your kid.  Simply, because you dare swat your kid on the bottom at walmart for throwing a fit, as they will do from time to time.

Somewhere between a bowl of dicks and a .380 to the forehead is precisely what this woman deserves.
 
2013-04-09 12:14:58 AM

pxsteel: skullkrusher: badhatharry: She is very smart and very clear. She believes we need to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents because it is not in the best interest of the collective. This is an old, bad idea.

I don't think she's saying that. If she is, she is welcome to this bag of dicks I save for just such occasions.

I think that is exactly what she is saying.  She is the social worker that shows up at the front door with the sheriff to take your kid.  Simply, because you dare swat your kid on the bottom at walmart for throwing a fit, as they will do from time to time.

Somewhere between a bowl of dicks and a .380 to the forehead is precisely what this woman deserves.


Haha, look at you three idiots, sucking each others' dicks.
 
2013-04-09 12:15:27 AM
My idiot brother-in-law is probably shiatting in his pants right now. (or he did whenever Glenn Beck covered it.)

On the bright side, maybe he'll finally stop shutting up about Common Core.  He was all whaarrgarbly over Easter weekend. "There was a question on a public school exam that asked why 9/11 was America's fault!"

I googled it.  This is the question Beck was pissing his pants about:

"Why might the United States be a target for terrorism?"  The answer? "Decisions we made in the United States have had negative effects on people elsewhere."

*facepalm*
 
2013-04-09 12:18:30 AM

A Dark Evil Omen: pxsteel: skullkrusher: badhatharry: She is very smart and very clear. She believes we need to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents because it is not in the best interest of the collective. This is an old, bad idea.

I don't think she's saying that. If she is, she is welcome to this bag of dicks I save for just such occasions.

I think that is exactly what she is saying.  She is the social worker that shows up at the front door with the sheriff to take your kid.  Simply, because you dare swat your kid on the bottom at walmart for throwing a fit, as they will do from time to time.

Somewhere between a bowl of dicks and a .380 to the forehead is precisely what this woman deserves.

Haha, look at you three idiots, sucking each others' dicks.


Bowls of 'em.

I liked the "someone should hurt them for trying to stop me from hurting my kids" angle.
 
2013-04-09 12:23:19 AM

A Dark Evil Omen: pxsteel: skullkrusher: badhatharry: She is very smart and very clear. She believes we need to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents because it is not in the best interest of the collective. This is an old, bad idea.

I don't think she's saying that. If she is, she is welcome to this bag of dicks I save for just such occasions.

I think that is exactly what she is saying.  She is the social worker that shows up at the front door with the sheriff to take your kid.  Simply, because you dare swat your kid on the bottom at walmart for throwing a fit, as they will do from time to time.

Somewhere between a bowl of dicks and a .380 to the forehead is precisely what this woman deserves.

Haha, look at you three idiots, sucking each others' dicks.



Hey, I pay 5 bucks a month to watch that action.
 
2013-04-09 12:23:31 AM

Satanic_Hamster: You know the same sort of person will claim it's the states/schools responsibility to teach kids values/morals/religion.


The meanspirited part of me wants to draw a comparison to dry drunks, and how maybe given the morality, values and religion of America, it might be the most appropriate course of action. Of course, since the people in the states and schools teaching are also Americans, so you're back where you started. Hrm.
 
2013-04-09 12:24:55 AM

A Dark Evil Omen: pxsteel: skullkrusher: badhatharry: She is very smart and very clear. She believes we need to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents because it is not in the best interest of the collective. This is an old, bad idea.

I don't think she's saying that. If she is, she is welcome to this bag of dicks I save for just such occasions.

I think that is exactly what she is saying.  She is the social worker that shows up at the front door with the sheriff to take your kid.  Simply, because you dare swat your kid on the bottom at walmart for throwing a fit, as they will do from time to time.

Somewhere between a bowl of dicks and a .380 to the forehead is precisely what this woman deserves.

Haha, look at you three idiots, sucking each others' dicks.


yeah except I said that she probably didn't mean what they think she did. They didn't teach readin' in armchair revolutionary college?
 
2013-04-09 12:26:47 AM

nocturnal001: Are things like being against gay marriage really halmarks of conservative ideology? I've just never viewed true conservatism as having anything to do with cultural norms.


Eh?! True conservatism has always been to do with encouraging cultural norms; where it can go wrong -- since every human ideology, being human to begin with, has its weak point -- is in enforcing those norms when it is not morally and/or pragmatically necessary to do so. (For example, putting homosexuals in prison was never just or necessary).

Now as it happens, I really don't think the issue of gay marriage is important in itself; only 2-3% of the population is homosexual and of those, how many actually want to get married? We've had gay marriage in my country for years and relatively few have bothered to avail themselves of it. I personally am only opposed to the creation of yet another class of entitlements in an increasingly bankrupt society; but whether two men or women want to call themselves married is in itself of little importance to me. But I think that the issue itself is being promoted and vastly over- exaggerated in its importance in an attempt to marginalize organized religion and its adherents. In Denmark for example it has been announced that clergy of the state church would be compelled to perform gay wedding ceremonies. I can't imagine that it will be very long before it is deemed discriminatory for Catholic, Orthodox and fundamentalist Protestant denominations in most western nations to refuse to do the same in the face of punitive sanctions (Islam will likely be exempted), and I also can't help but feel that this was the point of the whole exercise to begin with. Look at how individuals who speak out against gay marriage are being viciously denounced, after all; there is a kind of witch-hunting imperative behind it in many quarters.

RE GW, when he was brought forward, he was championed as being the perfect conservative.

By who? Citation needed! Really, it's like saying that Obama was championed as the perfect liberal -- regardless of how many people may have felt that way, there remain others (though perhaps fewer in number) who criticize Obama from a left-wing perspective, because he is insufficiently radical, etc. The political spectrum is wide.

Now, maybe that was marketing used to win the election but still. I literally saw him called a champion of conservatism to being brushed off as "he really was just a liberal" in a span of 8 years.

Not by the same people, you didn't. I think this is a common error that people on the Left make; they assume that pretty much anyone who disagrees with their opinions can be dismissed as belonging to a monolithic bloc of opinion called "right-wing" or "conservative". And truth be told, people on the Right feel that same way about those on your side. When I used to subscribe to "Harper's" magazine for example I was always astonished (and impressed) that such an august left-wing publication would dare to criticize the repression of the Castro regime in Cuba; I'd always assumed that lefties automatically closed their ranks on that issue.

His father had much of the same complaints, and I think Reagan would share that space as well if people really knew what he did. Lefties may have celebrated Clinton and Obama for being "good" presidents or whatever, but they are not heralded as being paragons of liberalism.

Obama isn't being heralded as a paragon of liberalism?! He is treated by mainstream American left- liberals as somebody who is practically beyond criticism. Again, I know that there are those who attack him from the left, but I don't think they're typical.
 
2013-04-09 12:27:20 AM

KarmicDisaster: You are an unfit mother. Your children will be placed in the custody of Carl's Jr.


Welcome to COSTCO. I love you.
 
2013-04-09 12:31:23 AM

pxsteel: Somewhere between a bowl of dicks and a .380 to the forehead is precisely what this woman deserves.


If you had any sense, you'd be asking the mods to delete this comment - or at the very least, pretending that it was posted as a prank by someone other than you.
 
2013-04-09 12:36:53 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Again, I know that there are those who attack him from the left, but I don't think they're typical.


Buh?

Do you mean by those in office, those in punditry, or your average fark liberal?

Because there isn't many people to the left of him in office, pundits are morons, and Fark liberals criticism him often.

The defense is only "He's still waaaaaay better than the alternatives."
 
2013-04-09 12:38:58 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: sendtodave: Huggermugger: ater on, in the 1970s, I knew several kids in my high school who lived in the orphanage in Raleigh, which was a snakepit of a place where kids had the shiat beat out of them, and several of them were even pimped out to local pedophiles.

Those were simpler times.  Freer times.

Nowadays social workers just place the kids in foster care instead, where the same kind of abuse takes place. Nothing has changed.


A lot has changed. Ask the thousands of survivors of Irish Catholic orphanages in the 1940s and 1950s if they enjoyed the complete absence of accountability. Those institutions were completely free to torture children in the most cruel and depraved manner. While there are a lot of problems with the current foster care system (almost entirely due to the shortage of foster parents and the crushing workloads of social workers) most children are infinitely better off in a foster situation than in the cruelties of the past.
 
2013-04-09 12:41:45 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: nocturnal001: The reality is that private enterprise never developed the interstate system, didn't develop a railroad system without serious government help, didn't develop the internet etc. etc.

I've already established that I'm a conservative rather than a libertarian, but I'd just like you ask you a question: where do you think the all- benevolent State got the money from to pay for all these wonderful innovations? It is, regrettably, capitalist free enterprise that generates the wealth, that in turn creates the tax-base, that in turn makes government spending (whether well-directed or not) possible to begin with. And here's another question: what great enterprises has the government given us recently? And if there are fewer great enterprises in the US -- such as dams and power plants and space programmes, etc. -- than there have been in the past, why do you think that might be?

And that doesn't even touch on the insane levels of transaction costs that would be imposed upon every single transaction in society without government intervention. Sure the free market will make sure ultimately that Soda Brand X doesn't contain poison, but glazing over the few people killed for the market to learn that,

In reality, a vanishingly small number of people have ever died from drinking poison soda. But over the past one hundred years alone something like 125 million people have been directly murdered by their governments. This is why the idea of regarding governments as inherently benevolent entities whose only mission is to save us from ourselves is dangerously naive. Again, I am not a libertarian and I am not opposed to the reasonable regulation of foodstuffs -- but if you think the free market is anywhere near as great a danger to your health as uncontrolled levels of government, you are completely ignorant of history.

I'm sadly old-fashioned, so I tend to look at these issues from a moral perspective. I assume that individual human beings are naturally fallible and co ...


I'm saddened that you are so pants shiatingly frightened of collective action in society.  Yes, government and government like entities have been responsible for the vast majority of large scale repression and organized murder.  But you will also find that those that did operated with a complete lack of transparency.  We are fortunate to not live under such conditions.  That being said, without an organized society we'd still be a marginal species on the African savanna.  Without those structures, rules, and enforcement, we'd still be Thog and Ogg, hoping to live long enough to reproduce.  100s of millions wouldn't have been killed, billions would never have lived.

And the free market does darn little to stem poisoning.  You are only thinking of a near instant toxin.  Try looking at what "free enterprise" did to NJ until the clean water act and the creation of the superfund cleanups.  The Passaic river burned regularly.  Fish kills washed up regularly.  To the point it wasn't even news.  And the problems continue today - it's damn expensive to dredge the Hudson river waterways because down in the sediment on the bottom of the river is layer upon layer of heavy metals - somewhat safe now because they are covered by more recent sediment - but disturbed you get another fish kill.  And all those heavy metals went into the food chain - sometimes directly into the local residents.  How about all the asbestosis sufferers from John's Manville and Co.?  Half of Manville NJ suffered from it.  Where does the free market help them?  The free market would have said "tough shiat, die".  And kept right on killing.  Same with lead.  Same with nearly any toxic, useful substance.

You live in a state of ignorance about how things work.  Left to their own devices humans will maim and kill their fellow man for purely short term gain.  Only collectively, in a transparent manner, with continual engagement, yelling and screaming at each other in a messy, socially connected system do we have any hope of ending that.

That means government, and lots of it.  Instead of being frightened of it - get involved.  Do you know your local government officials on sight?   Have you ever written your legislative representatives at the state, local or federal level?  Are you on all their mailing lists?  Do you write to the various government agencies when they have open public comments on things they do?  Do you actively support a political party? With more than just a check?  Do you support other groups in public advocacy?

I think you will answer no to most of these.  You sound like you want the government to be some perpetual motion machine - no friction and no inputs.  Sorry, it doesn't work that way.  As with most things in life, you get out what you put in.
 
2013-04-09 12:42:23 AM

Huggermugger: EvilRacistNaziFascist: sendtodave: Huggermugger: ater on, in the 1970s, I knew several kids in my high school who lived in the orphanage in Raleigh, which was a snakepit of a place where kids had the shiat beat out of them, and several of them were even pimped out to local pedophiles.

Those were simpler times.  Freer times.

Nowadays social workers just place the kids in foster care instead, where the same kind of abuse takes place. Nothing has changed.

A lot has changed. Ask the thousands of survivors of Irish Catholic orphanages in the 1940s and 1950s if they enjoyed the complete absence of accountability. Those institutions were completely free to torture children in the most cruel and depraved manner. While there are a lot of problems with the current foster care system (almost entirely due to the shortage of foster parents and the crushing workloads of social workers) most children are infinitely better off in a foster situation than in the cruelties of the past.


The cruelties are just as cruel, but they are far rarer and shock the collective conscience now. In the old days, they were not considered cruel.
 
2013-04-09 12:45:47 AM
MadHatter500:

Left to their own devices humans will maim and kill their fellow man for purely short term gain. Only collectively, in a transparent manner, with continual engagement, yelling and screaming at each other in a messy, socially connected system do we have any hope of ending that.

Damned right - Fark is the only thing standing between civilization and savagery!
 
2013-04-09 12:45:48 AM

MadHatter500: Yes, government and government like entities have been responsible for the vast majority of large scale repression and organized murder.


And they have been responsible for civilization.

That being said, without an organized society we'd still be a marginal species on the African savanna.  Without those structures, rules, and enforcement, we'd still be Thog and Ogg, hoping to live long enough to reproduce.  100s of millions wouldn't have been killed, billions would never have lived.

Oh.

That was your point.  Fine, fine, I'll read your whole post.  Geez.

...

Good post.
 
2013-04-09 12:49:15 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Huggermugger: EvilRacistNaziFascist: sendtodave: Huggermugger: ater on, in the 1970s, I knew several kids in my high school who lived in the orphanage in Raleigh, which was a snakepit of a place where kids had the shiat beat out of them, and several of them were even pimped out to local pedophiles.

Those were simpler times.  Freer times.

Nowadays social workers just place the kids in foster care instead, where the same kind of abuse takes place. Nothing has changed.

A lot has changed. Ask the thousands of survivors of Irish Catholic orphanages in the 1940s and 1950s if they enjoyed the complete absence of accountability. Those institutions were completely free to torture children in the most cruel and depraved manner. While there are a lot of problems with the current foster care system (almost entirely due to the shortage of foster parents and the crushing workloads of social workers) most children are infinitely better off in a foster situation than in the cruelties of the past.

The cruelties are just as cruel, but they are far rarer and shock the collective conscience now. In the old days, they were not considered cruel.


It's interesting how the value of human life has increased exponentially in the last few decades.

Well, in the west, at least.
 
2013-04-09 12:49:27 AM

sendtodave: I liked the "someone should hurt them for trying to stop me from hurting my kids" angle.


A couple of years back I was talking to a 30-ish man who as an adolescent had been taken away from his single mother and placed in foster care; he told me that she had a serious gambling problem and, since they were fairly poor to begin with, there was rarely enough food in the house as a result. He had no particular complaint about the foster care that he received, but when I asked him how he felt about it all he claimed that even with the neglect he still wished that he could have remained with his mother, who he loved more than anyone else.

The vast majority of parents do not hurt, abuse, or neglect their kids. But even in those cases where the parent or parents have a problem -- with drinking, gambling, drug abuse, or whatever else -- the child's instinctive preference is that the family remain intact. A parent would have to hurt his or her kids very badly to make them prefer, at an emotionally vulnerable age, a new life with complete strangers; and those cases are so vanishingly rare that is laughable to take them as sufficient pretext for the State to assume that its child-raising skills are superior. So no, even "hurting" your kids, rare as it is -- and let's face it, to some fanatics even traditional corporal punishment is now tantamount to child abuse -- is not always enough to justify agents of the government breaking up the basic ties of family.
 
2013-04-09 12:49:27 AM
Interesting and disturbing news item. Interesting and disturbing thread.

On the one hand, there are a lot of unfit parents. It runs the gamut from neglect and psychological abuse to physical and sexual abuse. The causes range from cluelessness of what children need to psychosis to deliberate sadism and sociopathic behavior. As with anything else, there is a Bell Curve of behavior and issues. 50% of parenting is going to be sub-par. 2% is going to be horrible.

Then again, 50% of parenting is going to be over-par. 2% is going to be outstanding.

In genetics and evolution, a wide range of genetic characteristics helps preserve the longevity of the species. A single plague, for example, will have a tougher time wiping out every single individual. Variation, then, is a survival trait.

Perhaps the same applies to different styles/types of parenting...?

Perhaps a "community creche" model where are children are subjected to the same parenting philosophy might have unintended consequences of mental uniformity and mediocrity...?

Also, a progressive thought seems to be that The State could probably do a better job of parenting than the sub-par 50%. But wait a minute. The State is made up of people. and the Bell Curve is everywhere. So 50% of those people will also be sub-par.

I can see that a few measures would be effective, just and moral. These would be in the area where being a parent has an effect on the community - other people. And, curiously, I say this as someone who has Libertarian leanings.

For example, I don't really see a "right" to have a child. Children effect other people, perhaps very negatively. Genetic issues aside, it's probably true that a sufficiently abused child can grow up to be a sociopathic monster. Perhaps, then, childbirth should be licensed, and licenses granted only to couples who take and pass parenting courses. Non-licensed children would become wards of The State and adopted out to licensed infertile couples.

Thoughts?
 
2013-04-09 12:54:13 AM
sendtodave:

It's interesting how the value of human life has increased exponentially in the last few decades.

Kinda puzzling, given the explosion in supply and the skyrocketing marginal costs of creating and maintaining human life.
 
2013-04-09 12:58:20 AM

Majick Thise: Can I sue my community for child support?


In a way, you can.    Google 'the Alinsky Method'.   It takes a long time.  Begin your community organizing.   Follow the steps.

No matter what the problem is........ the answer is to disperse Government funds.

Take from the Haves

give to the have-nots.


/Two very famous people studied this method,  and have gone far.
 
2013-04-09 01:00:11 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Huggermugger: EvilRacistNaziFascist: sendtodave: Huggermugger: ater on, in the 1970s, I knew several kids in my high school who lived in the orphanage in Raleigh, which was a snakepit of a place where kids had the shiat beat out of them, and several of them were even pimped out to local pedophiles.

Those were simpler times.  Freer times.

Nowadays social workers just place the kids in foster care instead, where the same kind of abuse takes place. Nothing has changed.

A lot has changed. Ask the thousands of survivors of Irish Catholic orphanages in the 1940s and 1950s if they enjoyed the complete absence of accountability. Those institutions were completely free to torture children in the most cruel and depraved manner. While there are a lot of problems with the current foster care system (almost entirely due to the shortage of foster parents and the crushing workloads of social workers) most children are infinitely better off in a foster situation than in the cruelties of the past.

The cruelties are just as cruel, but they are far rarer and shock the collective conscience now. In the old days, they were not considered cruel.


Nonsense. Everyone knew that they were cruel: the perpetrators knew it, the victims knew it, the enablers knew it, and the people who worked to change it knew it. What was different was that the perpetrators knew that they could get away with it, either because of the legal system or because there were segments of society that were either complicit or indifferent, or too frightened of challenging the status quo.
 
2013-04-09 01:04:01 AM

Huggermugger: Nonsense. Everyone knew that they were cruel: the perpetrators knew it, the victims knew it, the enablers knew it, and the people who worked to change it knew it. What was different was that the perpetrators knew that they could get away with it, either because of the legal system or because there were segments of society that were either complicit or indifferent, or too frightened of challenging the status quo.


Why was cruelty, if it was known to be cruel, the status quo?

Cruelty is good?  We like cruelty?
 
2013-04-09 01:05:54 AM

Huggermugger: A lot has changed. Ask the thousands of survivors of Irish Catholic orphanages in the 1940s and 1950s if they enjoyed the complete absence of accountability. Those institutions were completely free to torture children in the most cruel and depraved manner.


Well, let's not get carried away with exaggerations. There is no question that wherever adults enjoy a great degree of authority over the children of strangers, abuse cases will occur; in our own day for example this is most notably true in the mainstream public education system -- after all, how many Fark stories involve teacher- student sex? -- and those teachers accused of molesting students can often count on the support of their unions to help them. On the other hand, these situations are by no means universal; just as there are many decent public school teachers with no inappropriate interest in their students, there were many officials at Catholic orphanages who also meant well by their charges.

While there are a lot of problems with the current foster care system (almost entirely due to the shortage of foster parents and the crushing workloads of social workers)

How would a shortage of foster parents and overworked social workers cause rampant sexual abuse in foster care? It's foster care itself that is the dangerous environment for kids.

most children are infinitely better off in a foster situation than in the cruelties of the past.

Again, since sexual and physical abuse continues to be a serious problem in foster care, I would have to conclude that not much has really changed at all -- and no wonder, because human nature itself has not changed since the time of the orphanages. The regrettable but unchanging truth is that wherever you have adults or older children placed in a position of power over younger children who are not genetically related to them, there is a much greater chance that abuse will occur than would be the case in a family setting.
 
2013-04-09 01:10:42 AM

BarkingUnicorn: sendtodave:

It's interesting how the value of human life has increased exponentially in the last few decades.

Kinda puzzling, given the explosion in supply and the skyrocketing marginal costs of creating and maintaining human life.


To be fair, the explosion in supply happens mostly in countries where life is cheap.


I guess I should rephrase that as "the perceived value of first world lives has increased exponentially."
 
2013-04-09 01:15:03 AM

sendtodave: Huggermugger: Nonsense. Everyone knew that they were cruel: the perpetrators knew it, the victims knew it, the enablers knew it, and the people who worked to change it knew it. What was different was that the perpetrators knew that they could get away with it, either because of the legal system or because there were segments of society that were either complicit or indifferent, or too frightened of challenging the status quo.

Why was cruelty, if it was known to be cruel, the status quo?

Cruelty is good?  We like cruelty?


Yes, I'm afraid we do like cruelty.  If not, how do you explain our multiple millennia history of cruelty?
 
2013-04-09 01:15:26 AM

jpo2269: Fart_Machine,

I might be willing to accept your assertion had Ms. Harris not preceded your quote with her proclamation that "children don't belong to families..."


I suppose if you quote something it helps if the person actually said that.
 
2013-04-09 01:17:12 AM

Biological Ali: If you had any sense


You just answered your own question.  He really doesn't.
 
2013-04-09 01:28:50 AM

sendtodave: Huggermugger: Nonsense. Everyone knew that they were cruel: the perpetrators knew it, the victims knew it, the enablers knew it, and the people who worked to change it knew it. What was different was that the perpetrators knew that they could get away with it, either because of the legal system or because there were segments of society that were either complicit or indifferent, or too frightened of challenging the status quo.

Why was cruelty, if it was known to be cruel, the status quo?

Cruelty is good?  We like cruelty?


I suppose I should have said, "they were not considered intolerably cruel by society in general."  Farkers tend to fill in the blanks if you leave any.  Pity they use derp for filler.
 
2013-04-09 01:28:50 AM

rohar: sendtodave: Huggermugger: Nonsense. Everyone knew that they were cruel: the perpetrators knew it, the victims knew it, the enablers knew it, and the people who worked to change it knew it. What was different was that the perpetrators knew that they could get away with it, either because of the legal system or because there were segments of society that were either complicit or indifferent, or too frightened of challenging the status quo.

Why was cruelty, if it was known to be cruel, the status quo?

Cruelty is good?  We like cruelty?

Yes, I'm afraid we do like cruelty.  If not, how do you explain our multiple millennia history of cruelty?


Then why the (very) recent change?  Why is cruelty bad all of a sudden?

Are these decades where we believe in human rights, and life having high value just a ... well, a rounding error?  A blip?

Or, is it really a trend, progression?

/or maybe just wealthy people/nations feeling self-important?
//need more beer to figure this one out
 
2013-04-09 01:29:29 AM

Huggermugger: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

If it wasn't for liberal do-gooders, child abuse would not be illegal.


Look at his handle dude Maxalt....Max (short for maximum) and alt (short for alternate).
 
2013-04-09 01:30:39 AM

rohar: sendtodave: Huggermugger: Nonsense. Everyone knew that they were cruel: the perpetrators knew it, the victims knew it, the enablers knew it, and the people who worked to change it knew it. What was different was that the perpetrators knew that they could get away with it, either because of the legal system or because there were segments of society that were either complicit or indifferent, or too frightened of challenging the status quo.

Why was cruelty, if it was known to be cruel, the status quo?

Cruelty is good?  We like cruelty?

Yes, I'm afraid we do like cruelty.  If not, how do you explain our multiple millennia history of cruelty?


Goddam bleeding-heart liberals.

One man's cruelty is another's foreplay.
 
2013-04-09 01:31:07 AM

BarkingUnicorn: sendtodave: Huggermugger: Nonsense. Everyone knew that they were cruel: the perpetrators knew it, the victims knew it, the enablers knew it, and the people who worked to change it knew it. What was different was that the perpetrators knew that they could get away with it, either because of the legal system or because there were segments of society that were either complicit or indifferent, or too frightened of challenging the status quo.

Why was cruelty, if it was known to be cruel, the status quo?

Cruelty is good?  We like cruelty?

I suppose I should have said, "they were not considered intolerably cruel by society in general."  Farkers tend to fill in the blanks if you leave any.  Pity they use derp for filler.


Not sure how that changes the premise.  They're considered (intolerably) cruel now, and they weren't then, what changed?  Why was cruelty, know cruelty, tolerable just a few decades ago, and it's right out now?
 
2013-04-09 01:33:59 AM

sendtodave: rohar: sendtodave: Huggermugger: Nonsense. Everyone knew that they were cruel: the perpetrators knew it, the victims knew it, the enablers knew it, and the people who worked to change it knew it. What was different was that the perpetrators knew that they could get away with it, either because of the legal system or because there were segments of society that were either complicit or indifferent, or too frightened of challenging the status quo.

Why was cruelty, if it was known to be cruel, the status quo?

Cruelty is good?  We like cruelty?

Yes, I'm afraid we do like cruelty.  If not, how do you explain our multiple millennia history of cruelty?

Then why the (very) recent change?  Why is cruelty bad all of a sudden?

Are these decades where we believe in human rights, and life having high value just a ... well, a rounding error?  A blip?

Or, is it really a trend, progression?

/or maybe just wealthy people/nations feeling self-important?
//need more beer to figure this one out


Meanwhile, people are breathing air that's made of coal in China, not soot, the air is actually made of coal.  In much of the middle east, our country is killing off wedding parties for points on the Sunday morning funny shows.  Pakistan is a pit of death and Saudi Arabia still thinks beheading is cool. We still think the death penalty is cool right here in the grand old U,S. of A.  The noose in Montana has only been unused for a few short years.  As a species, I'm not sure we're advancing much.
 
2013-04-09 01:37:34 AM

sendtodave: BarkingUnicorn: sendtodave: Huggermugger: Nonsense. Everyone knew that they were cruel: the perpetrators knew it, the victims knew it, the enablers knew it, and the people who worked to change it knew it. What was different was that the perpetrators knew that they could get away with it, either because of the legal system or because there were segments of society that were either complicit or indifferent, or too frightened of challenging the status quo.

Why was cruelty, if it was known to be cruel, the status quo?

Cruelty is good?  We like cruelty?

I suppose I should have said, "they were not considered intolerably cruel by society in general."  Farkers tend to fill in the blanks if you leave any.  Pity they use derp for filler.

Not sure how that changes the premise.  They're considered (intolerably) cruel now, and they weren't then, what changed?  Why was cruelty, know cruelty, tolerable just a few decades ago, and it's right out now?


Like I said above:  goddam bleeding-heart liberals.  They've always been rocking the boat.

/NTTAWT
 
2013-04-09 01:39:21 AM

rohar: Meanwhile, people are breathing air that's made of coal in China, not soot, the air is actually made of coal. In much of the middle east, our country is killing off wedding parties for points on the Sunday morning funny shows. Pakistan is a pit of death and Saudi Arabia still thinks beheading is cool. We still think the death penalty is cool right here in the grand old U,S. of A. The noose in Montana has only been unused for a few short years. As a species, I'm not sure we're advancing much.


What's your hurry?
 
2013-04-09 01:41:02 AM

rohar: Meanwhile, people are breathing air that's made of coal in China, not soot, the air is actually made of coal.  In much of the middle east, our country is killing off wedding parties for points on the Sunday morning funny shows.  Pakistan is a pit of death and Saudi Arabia still thinks beheading is cool. We still think the death penalty is cool right here in the grand old U,S. of A.  The noose in Montana has only been unused for a few short years.  As a species, I'm not sure we're advancing much.


Well, that's kinda what I'm getting at.  Why all the hand waving about people's rights being infringed, or children's well being, etc.?  Cruelty is the norm, the LACK of it is the aberration.

First world problems?
 
2013-04-09 01:41:24 AM

BarkingUnicorn: rohar: Meanwhile, people are breathing air that's made of coal in China, not soot, the air is actually made of coal. In much of the middle east, our country is killing off wedding parties for points on the Sunday morning funny shows. Pakistan is a pit of death and Saudi Arabia still thinks beheading is cool. We still think the death penalty is cool right here in the grand old U,S. of A. The noose in Montana has only been unused for a few short years. As a species, I'm not sure we're advancing much.

What's your hurry?


I've got no hurry by comparison, but I've got a hell of a lot more to work off.  Saddly, I'm Viking.  I've got a whole lot more generational guilt.
 
2013-04-09 01:43:21 AM

sendtodave: rohar: Meanwhile, people are breathing air that's made of coal in China, not soot, the air is actually made of coal.  In much of the middle east, our country is killing off wedding parties for points on the Sunday morning funny shows.  Pakistan is a pit of death and Saudi Arabia still thinks beheading is cool. We still think the death penalty is cool right here in the grand old U,S. of A.  The noose in Montana has only been unused for a few short years.  As a species, I'm not sure we're advancing much.

Well, that's kinda what I'm getting at.  Why all the hand waving about people's rights being infringed, or children's well being, etc.?  Cruelty is the norm, the LACK of it is the aberration.

First world problems?


On the up side, I have never raped or plundered even though I'm apparently predisposed to such shenanigans.  Maybe we are advancing as a people...
 
2013-04-09 01:45:51 AM

BarkingUnicorn: sendtodave: BarkingUnicorn: sendtodave: Huggermugger: Nonsense. Everyone knew that they were cruel: the perpetrators knew it, the victims knew it, the enablers knew it, and the people who worked to change it knew it. What was different was that the perpetrators knew that they could get away with it, either because of the legal system or because there were segments of society that were either complicit or indifferent, or too frightened of challenging the status quo.

Why was cruelty, if it was known to be cruel, the status quo?

Cruelty is good?  We like cruelty?

I suppose I should have said, "they were not considered intolerably cruel by society in general."  Farkers tend to fill in the blanks if you leave any.  Pity they use derp for filler.

Not sure how that changes the premise.  They're considered (intolerably) cruel now, and they weren't then, what changed?  Why was cruelty, know cruelty, tolerable just a few decades ago, and it's right out now?

Like I said above:  goddam bleeding-heart liberals.  They've always been rocking the boat.

/NTTAWT


Do you think this trend will continue?  I mean, we just kind of take it for granted that things get better and better, that people have value...

But, well, maybe that's not true?
 
2013-04-09 01:47:28 AM

rohar: I have never raped or plundered even though I'm apparently predisposed to such shenanigans.


Oh, you're missing out!

Nothing stirs the blood like a good rape, followed by plundering, and rape.
 
2013-04-09 01:50:58 AM

sendtodave: rohar: I have never raped or plundered even though I'm apparently predisposed to such shenanigans.

Oh, you're missing out!

Nothing stirs the blood like a good rape, followed by plundering, and rape.


Lo before me I see my mother and father.
Before me I see my sister and brother
...and the call to me, from the halls of Valhalla
asking "What the fark is wrong with you, you socially acceptable Vike!?":
 
2013-04-09 01:53:29 AM

sendtodave: BarkingUnicorn: sendtodave: BarkingUnicorn: sendtodave:

Not sure how that changes the premise.  They're considered (intolerably) cruel now, and they weren't then, what changed?  Why was cruelty, know cruelty, tolerable just a few decades ago, and it's right out now?

Like I said above:  goddam bleeding-heart liberals.  They've always been rocking the boat.

/NTTAWT

Do you think this trend will continue?  I mean, we just kind of take it for granted that things get better and better, that people have value...

But, well, maybe that's not true?


Do I  think the goddam bleeding-heart liberals will keep winning?  Absolutely.

Do I think things keep getting better and better?  Being a half-assed Buddhist, I give half a rat's ass and don't give the other.

Do I think people have value?  That's a really personal, subjective question.  Total strangers on the other side of the world have no value to me.  My only child has a lot.
 
2013-04-09 01:55:56 AM

BarkingUnicorn: sendtodave: BarkingUnicorn: sendtodave: BarkingUnicorn: sendtodave:

Not sure how that changes the premise.  They're considered (intolerably) cruel now, and they weren't then, what changed?  Why was cruelty, know cruelty, tolerable just a few decades ago, and it's right out now?

Like I said above:  goddam bleeding-heart liberals.  They've always been rocking the boat.

/NTTAWT

Do you think this trend will continue?  I mean, we just kind of take it for granted that things get better and better, that people have value...

But, well, maybe that's not true?

Do I  think the goddam bleeding-heart liberals will keep winning?  Absolutely.

Do I think things keep getting better and better?  Being a half-assed Buddhist, I give half a rat's ass and don't give the other.

Do I think people have value?  That's a really personal, subjective question.  Total strangers on the other side of the world have no value to me.  My only child has a lot.


Funny thing, if your government sponsors attacks on foreign lands killing those that "have no value" their friends and family might get a little cranky and do something stupid like fly a 747 into a building.  Ain't you happy as hell your son wasn't in that building?
 
2013-04-09 02:01:04 AM

MadHatter500: I'm saddened that you are so pants shiatingly frightened of collective action in society.


I'm saddened that you can pretend to claim that you know the secret emotions of a complete stranger over the internet. If you are possessed of clairvoyant abilities, why are you wasting time posting on Fark? Get out there and make a fortune with your magic powers.

Yes, government and government like entities have been responsible for the vast majority of large scale repression and organized murder. But you will also find that those that did operated with a complete lack of transparency.

Ha! Ha! Yes, because if the US government is renowned for anything, it's transparency.

We are fortunate to not live under such conditions. That being said, without an organized society we'd still be a marginal species on the African savanna. Without those structures, rules, and enforcement, we'd still be Thog and Ogg, hoping to live long enough to reproduce. 100s of millions wouldn't have been killed, billions would never have lived.

Of course society needs structure and rules -- whoever said otherwise? You're arguing with a strawman. But you seem to be going well beyond that to suggesting that if the State giveth, it's fine if the State taketh away; i.e., you appear to be saying that a hundred million dead from totalitarian violence is somehow excusable because without the heavy hand of government, two hundred million parents would never have had sex and given birth to those one hundred million people to begin with (!) Is this really your position? The fact is that it is small groups of ordinary people who ultimately create governments -- not vice versa.

[snip more strawmen]

You live in a state of ignorance about how things work.  Left to their own devices humans will maim and kill their fellow man for purely short term gain.

Individuals might kill other individuals for short term gain. When it comes to the mass killing of large numbers of people, however, that is normally done for an ideological reason and it is where governments come in.

Only collectively, in a transparent manner, with continual engagement, yelling and screaming at each other in a messy, socially connected system do we have any hope of ending that.

Fine words, but what you are ultimately proposing is the same old bullsh*t: rule of the many by the few who believe that they are superior to the many -- because all of the "engagement", "yelling and screaming", etc. is useless to accomplish anything without the rule of force to silence inconvenient dissent.

That means government, and lots of it.  Instead of being frightened of it - get involved.  Do you know your local government officials on sight?   Have you ever written your legislative representatives at the state, local or federal level?  Are you on all their mailing lists?  Do you write to the various government agencies when they have open public comments on things they do?  Do you actively support a political party? With more than just a check?  Do you support other groups in public advocacy?

Aw, you still believe in representative democracy! How quaint. Let me ask you something: how closely do the opinions of elected politicians track with their constituents? In the US it is probably higher than anywhere else in the western world (for the time being), but I can assure you that in other alleged democracies the wishes of the majority on many issues are practically ignored if they do not answer to the needs of the multi-party political elite.

I think you will answer no to most of these.  You sound like you want the government to be some perpetual motion machine - no friction and no inputs.  Sorry, it doesn't work that way.  As with most things in life, you get out what you put in.

I suppose you'd prefer that I "put in" slavish obedience, or at the very least active resignation to the fact that my individual liberties are incrementally slipping away year after year -- in order to get what in return, exactly? What I want more than anything is to be free to live my life as I see fit. What exactly is it that you want the State to do with my life, by contrast?
 
2013-04-09 02:02:41 AM

rohar: sendtodave: rohar: I have never raped or plundered even though I'm apparently predisposed to such shenanigans.

Oh, you're missing out!

Nothing stirs the blood like a good rape, followed by plundering, and rape.

Lo before me I see my mother and father.
Before me I see my sister and brother
...and the call to me, from the halls of Valhalla
asking "What the fark is wrong with you, you socially acceptable Vike!?":


I'm getting this mental image of you...
 
2013-04-09 02:04:24 AM

BarkingUnicorn: rohar: sendtodave: rohar: I have never raped or plundered even though I'm apparently predisposed to such shenanigans.

Oh, you're missing out!

Nothing stirs the blood like a good rape, followed by plundering, and rape.

Lo before me I see my mother and father.
Before me I see my sister and brother
...and the call to me, from the halls of Valhalla
asking "What the fark is wrong with you, you socially acceptable Vike!?":

I'm getting this mental image of you...


Dammit, image too large 'cause it's animated;  here.
 
2013-04-09 02:05:24 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Philbb: I find the conservative backlash a bit odd since it seems that conservatives are the ones that talk most often about the old days when people knew each other and you couldn't get away with anything in front of any neighborhood parent because they talked with your parents.

I'm not certain what your concern is here; conservatives appreciate the coherence of organic communities,


Professor Melissa Harris-Perry said pretty much the same thing and is being attacked for it.
 
2013-04-09 02:11:10 AM

rohar: Do I think people have value? That's a really personal, subjective question. Total strangers on the other side of the world have no value to me. My only child has a lot.

Funny thing, if your government sponsors attacks on foreign lands killing those that "have no value" their friends and family might get a little cranky and do something stupid like fly a 747 into a building. Ain't you happy as hell your son wasn't in that building?


Yes, I am.  But I know he's going to die anyway.  "'Tis a fearsome thing to love that which is touched by Death."  Very old tombstone in a Long Island cemetery I visited as a teenager.

So if these strangers have no value to me, then I prefer that my government either leave them alone or kill them all.  The choice matters not to me.
 
2013-04-09 02:12:04 AM

BarkingUnicorn: BarkingUnicorn: rohar: sendtodave: rohar: I have never raped or plundered even though I'm apparently predisposed to such shenanigans.

Oh, you're missing out!

Nothing stirs the blood like a good rape, followed by plundering, and rape.

Lo before me I see my mother and father.
Before me I see my sister and brother
...and the call to me, from the halls of Valhalla
asking "What the fark is wrong with you, you socially acceptable Vike!?":

I'm getting this mental image of you...

Dammit, image too large 'cause it's animated;  here.


The interesting bit (for me, maybe not the rest of you) is that I actually am second generation Norwegian American and dad was military.  We were stationed in Germany for a bit and I used to drink right down the street from where that video happened.

/Smuggler's Inn, good times
//rum and coke never tasted as good anywhere else
 
2013-04-09 02:14:57 AM

rohar: The interesting bit (for me, maybe not the rest of you) is that I actually am second generation Norwegian American and dad was military. We were stationed in Germany for a bit and I used to drink right down the street from where that video happened.


Huh. I'm half Norwegian on Dad's side, but the Italian dominates my looks.  Used to wear a headband. When people asked if I was Native American I'd reply, "Absolutely; born & raised in Chicago!"  That puzzled the Indians.
 
2013-04-09 02:21:08 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: I suppose you'd prefer that I "put in" slavish obedience, or at the very least active resignation to the fact that my individual liberties are incrementally slipping away year after year -- in order to get what in return, exactly? What I want more than anything is to be free to live my life as I see fit. What exactly is it that you want the State to do with my life, by contrast?


Holy shiat I love extremes.  So, for entertainment, let's go to the other extreme.  Let's disband the state completely!  We'll get rid of all laws and regulations all together.  There will be no oversight.

The simple result is that I club you, disassemble the important bits and wind up in a tree eating soup out of your skull.

If we want to get complicated, I'm gonna have to revitalize the American mayonnaise industry.  I know, it's a lot of work.  Seems to me there's still a lot of houses on the market due to the glut.  Many of them have swimming pools.  Given the destruction of the of state, I have to take things into my own hands.  I shall fill all of these pools with mayonnaise.  I'll use only American made mayo, such is the temper of my patriotism.  Then I'll find the finest American made cinder blocks and tie them to all of the anti government types' ankles and toss them in.  Helman's will make a mint, and we'll be done with your sort.

Or we could continue on with what we've got.  Maybe even try and improve it when we can.  Whatdya think?
 
2013-04-09 02:23:21 AM

BarkingUnicorn: rohar: The interesting bit (for me, maybe not the rest of you) is that I actually am second generation Norwegian American and dad was military. We were stationed in Germany for a bit and I used to drink right down the street from where that video happened.

Huh. I'm half Norwegian on Dad's side, but the Italian dominates my looks.  Used to wear a headband. When people asked if I was Native American I'd reply, "Absolutely; born & raised in Chicago!"  That puzzled the Indians.


Somehow I smelled it after your last post.  Either part Norske or Marine. 

Now, where the fark is the lutefisk!?
 
2013-04-09 02:23:39 AM

Philbb: I'm not certain what your concern is here; conservatives appreciate the coherence of organic communities,

Professor Melissa Harris-Perry said pretty much the same thing and is being attacked for it.


Attacking people over their choice of words is political sport; Fark has an entire tab devoted to it.

In this case, I don't see many attacks on the speaker.  I see a fascinating discussion of what she said.
 
2013-04-09 02:25:54 AM

rohar: BarkingUnicorn: rohar: The interesting bit (for me, maybe not the rest of you) is that I actually am second generation Norwegian American and dad was military. We were stationed in Germany for a bit and I used to drink right down the street from where that video happened.

Huh. I'm half Norwegian on Dad's side, but the Italian dominates my looks.  Used to wear a headband. When people asked if I was Native American I'd reply, "Absolutely; born & raised in Chicago!"  That puzzled the Indians.

Somehow I smelled it after your last post.  Either part Norske or Marine. 

Now, where the fark is the lutefisk!?


In Scandinavia, far from here; thank the FSM!
 
2013-04-09 02:29:59 AM

Satanic_Hamster: cameroncrazy1984: Mrtraveler01: Satanic_Hamster: And here we have what Fark Mods would consider a perfect thread; shiat on beyond belief by troll accounts.

This was never a good thread. The topic was incredibly stupid.

We might as well have just posted pictures of ponies, it's just as productive.

Oh now you've gone and done it.

fark yeah.
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Did someone say ponies?  I think some motherfarker just said ponies...

i75.photobucket.com


i75.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-09 02:35:25 AM

maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government


Wow you are either really stupid, or an amazing troll.  I am going with really stupid.

Did you teach your child everything he knows?  Did you keep him safe every second he was alive?  Did you personally feed him every single drop of food he ever ate?  If not, then your argument is completely invalid.  The "Community" raised your kid far far more than you did as he spent significantly more time as a child with the "Community" than he did with you.  Does that make you a bad parent or even a bad person.. nope.  Being a dumbarse who gets angry over concepts he cannot comprehend makes you a bad person.
 
2013-04-09 02:35:28 AM
Its truel   The state owns your ass.  Even Elvis got drafted.

2wheeltuesday.com
 
2013-04-09 02:38:04 AM

Kazrath: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

Wow you are either really stupid, or an amazing troll.  I am going with really stupid.

Did you teach your child everything he knows?  Did you keep him safe every second he was alive?  Did you personally feed him every single drop of food he ever ate?  If not, then your argument is completely invalid.  The "Community" raised your kid far far more than you did as he spent significantly more time as a child with the "Community" than he did with you.  Does that make you a bad parent or even a bad person.. nope.  Being a dumbarse who gets angry over concepts he cannot comprehend makes you a bad person.


The fun part is that he doesn't realize the HE was part of the community that kept his musician friend going! :-)
 
2013-04-09 02:39:36 AM

BarkingUnicorn: rohar: BarkingUnicorn: rohar: The interesting bit (for me, maybe not the rest of you) is that I actually am second generation Norwegian American and dad was military. We were stationed in Germany for a bit and I used to drink right down the street from where that video happened.

Huh. I'm half Norwegian on Dad's side, but the Italian dominates my looks.  Used to wear a headband. When people asked if I was Native American I'd reply, "Absolutely; born & raised in Chicago!"  That puzzled the Indians.

Somehow I smelled it after your last post.  Either part Norske or Marine. 

Now, where the fark is the lutefisk!?

In Scandinavia, far from here; thank the FSM!


There's plenty of lutefisk here in my neighborhood, but it's all being horded until the Syttende Mai parade.
 
2013-04-09 02:40:57 AM

BarkingUnicorn: rohar: Do I think people have value? That's a really personal, subjective question. Total strangers on the other side of the world have no value to me. My only child has a lot.

Funny thing, if your government sponsors attacks on foreign lands killing those that "have no value" their friends and family might get a little cranky and do something stupid like fly a 747 into a building. Ain't you happy as hell your son wasn't in that building?

Yes, I am.  But I know he's going to die anyway.  "'Tis a fearsome thing to love that which is touched by Death."  Very old tombstone in a Long Island cemetery I visited as a teenager.

So if these strangers have no value to me, then I prefer that my government either leave them alone or kill them all.  The choice matters not to me.


This is the part where I'm hangin out on fark and everyone hates me.  I understand this.  I know this.  I cannot explain this.

Thank you for stating what I could not.  I love my son as my father loved me.  Between dad and I, we've been through 7 foreign engagements.  I hope and pray my son never has to, but if that is what is demanded, so be it.  As military from a military family, we don't often care who the enemy is, simply that they're destroyed.

In my old age, though, I'm realizing that we get to pick and choose our enemies.  Maybe we shouldn't pick so many?
 
2013-04-09 02:51:11 AM

rohar: BarkingUnicorn: rohar: Do I think people have value? That's a really personal, subjective question. Total strangers on the other side of the world have no value to me. My only child has a lot.

Funny thing, if your government sponsors attacks on foreign lands killing those that "have no value" their friends and family might get a little cranky and do something stupid like fly a 747 into a building. Ain't you happy as hell your son wasn't in that building?

Yes, I am.  But I know he's going to die anyway.  "'Tis a fearsome thing to love that which is touched by Death."  Very old tombstone in a Long Island cemetery I visited as a teenager.

So if these strangers have no value to me, then I prefer that my government either leave them alone or kill them all.  The choice matters not to me.

This is the part where I'm hangin out on fark and everyone hates me.  I understand this.  I know this.  I cannot explain this.

Thank you for stating what I could not.  I love my son as my father loved me.  Between dad and I, we've been through 7 foreign engagements.  I hope and pray my son never has to, but if that is what is demanded, so be it.  As military from a military family, we don't often care who the enemy is, simply that they're destroyed.

In my old age, though, I'm realizing that we get to pick and choose our enemies.  Maybe we shouldn't pick so many?


In simple terms of resource expenditure, we should avoid quarreling with others or on behalf of others.  I would advise my son not to let anyone make such demands upon him.

But a second-generation military guy might have a problem doing that, especially if his son admires his military career.  I've had to explain to my son why he should not do what I did; it's awkward.
 
2013-04-09 02:55:00 AM
So, when I say "It takes a village...", I'm a communist now?
 
2013-04-09 03:05:03 AM

Lawyers With Nukes: So kiddo, you think you own that business you started, that little lemonade stand on the corner?

Scratch that...you think you own that body you occupy right now? Oh really?

Sure, you made it from scratch, but someone else had to help you out to get it started.
And who grew the food you ate all your life? Who regulated the food producers, to ensure it was safe and nutritious?
Who built and regulated the roads, so that food could get to market, and land on your dinner table?
And who took care of that body you when it got sick? Who regulated the healthcare industry, and subsidized student loans so that doctors could get trained?
Who defended your body from physical harm, when imaginary brown people, pissed-off by years of US foreign policy, came to blow it up?
And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so you know the score, you own nothing, not even yourself. "We" own everything.

AND WE OWN YOUR ASS.


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2013-04-09 03:06:22 AM

BarkingUnicorn: In simple terms of resource expenditure, we should avoid quarreling with others or on behalf of others. I would advise my son not to let anyone make such demands upon him.

But a second-generation military guy might have a problem doing that, especially if his son admires his military career. I've had to explain to my son why he should not do what I did; it's awkward.


Took a long time to get here, and honestly I didn't know where I was going when I entered this thread.  But this is the hardest and quite possibly the most profound thing I've seen here today.

People can talk all they want about how a child should be raised.  Meanwhile they're voting for chuckleheads that are itching to go to war with damned near anyone.  I spent at least one lifetime at war.  My childhood and my early adult years all went to war of some sort or another.

Bring me a village, they'll never know how farking hard it is to explain the amazing things we did in Kuwait and Kosovo to a son, and then follow it up with "I'll be damned if you're ever allowed to participate in such folly"

I'm headed to Bothel shortly.  I need lutefisk.  Comfort food sooths the soul.  That and I'm still kinda cranked up about the mayonnaise thing.
 
2013-04-09 03:09:24 AM

hinten: So, when I say "It takes a village...", I'm a communist now?


Can we take a close look at what she actually said?

""We have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we've always had a private notion of children, your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. We haven't had a very collective notion of these are our children."

Public education doesn't get enough tax money.  That's because taxpayers don't think other people's children belong to them and aren't their problem.

"So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities."

We have to convince the public that all kids belong to the public. Good farking  luck with that!

"Once it's everybody's responsibility and not just the household's we start making better investments."

Once we sell this lie to the public, we can tax the shiat out of the public for public education.

Frankly, that would be rather terrifying if her little plan was possible.  But it's just preposterous.

She's either a horrible communicator who's been justifiably misunderstood or a flaming crackpot.
 
2013-04-09 03:09:38 AM
MSNBC knows how to really tweak their noses.
 
2013-04-09 03:26:38 AM

BarkingUnicorn: "So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities."

We have to convince the public that all kids belong to the public. Good farking luck with that!



Education of all children is to the benefit of the whole society. Your uneducated and unemployed children are a detriment to me and society as a whole.
 
2013-04-09 03:27:14 AM
clancifer: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

2/10. Needs more creationism.


Yeah it was passable and obvious at the same time. So close!
 
2013-04-09 03:30:20 AM
Bashir and O'Donnell spend half their shows trying to provoke this kind of reaction.
Figures this guy would make up something about the weekend host no one sees.
 
2013-04-09 03:34:25 AM
rohar:

Bring me a village, they'll never know how farking hard it is to explain the amazing things we did in Kuwait and Kosovo to a son, and then follow it up with "I'll be damned if you're ever allowed to participate in such folly"

Just change the word "amazing" to something more consonant with "folly."

But that is the really hard part, isn't it?  The soldier (you past) does not want to admit that he spent so much time doing folly.  The son (you past) does not want to admit that the Dad he adores spent his life doing folly (in the past).  Yet the father (you now) believes it's true.  I don't envy you.

I thank the FSM that I have no family traditions to bind me to the past.  I believe that the past does not exist, nor does the future.  There is only now.  Action is possible only now.  I act as I am now, not as I or anyone was in the past.
 
2013-04-09 03:49:03 AM
It takes a village....
 
2013-04-09 03:58:52 AM

hinten: BarkingUnicorn: "So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities."

We have to convince the public that all kids belong to the public. Good farking luck with that!

Education of all children is to the benefit of the whole society. Your uneducated and unemployed children are a detriment to me and society as a whole.


Are you a professor, author, and TV host?  No, I wager.  Yet you communicate this rational line more effectively than the woman in the video, who is all of those things.  How could she be so incompetent?

Or else she meant exactly what she said.  She said "belongs to" three times. I find it preposterous that such a practiced speaker is unaware of that phrase's connotation of ownership.  I also find it odd that she let this video air without reviewing it and requiring editing of anything she didn't mean.

So I conclude she is an overconfident crackpot who has done her cause harm with this video.  "Children belong to the community" ranks right up there with "legitimate rape" as a cause-killer.

There's another possibility:  a much longer interview was edited by a crackpot who took foolish delight in making the "belong to" sentence the centerpiece of this video.  There are a lot of cuts in those 30 seconds.
 
2013-04-09 04:07:46 AM

BarkingUnicorn: She said "belongs to" three times.


You belong to the Church of Scientology.
I belong to the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes.
He belongs to the Good Sam Club.

No ownership involved.
 
2013-04-09 04:25:26 AM
Typical collectivist tripe and when somebody raises an objection to it just pretend they're being silly and unreasonable rather than... Actually attempt to understand what they are saying and why it is or is not valid.
 
2013-04-09 04:28:24 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: BarkingUnicorn: She said "belongs to" three times.

You belong to the Church of Scientology.
I belong to the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes.
He belongs to the Good Sam Club.

No ownership involved.


That's another connotation.  I think Scientology proves my point more than yours.  Funny that you listed it first.
 
2013-04-09 04:40:29 AM

BarkingUnicorn: She's either a horrible communicator who's been justifiably misunderstood or a flaming crackpot.


Most people in this thread had no trouble discerning the fairly benign and unremarkable message there, and RedState's histrionics hardly qualify as an example of "justifiable misunderstanding".
 
2013-04-09 04:41:27 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: They don't until the real rich people that live on the mountains above the village tell the villagers to send their sons (and now daughters) off to die somewhere over there yonder.


Those would be bi-partisan rich people.
 
2013-04-09 04:44:38 AM

rohar: EvilRacistNaziFascist: I suppose you'd prefer that I "put in" slavish obedience, or at the very least active resignation to the fact that my individual liberties are incrementally slipping away year after year -- in order to get what in return, exactly? What I want more than anything is to be free to live my life as I see fit. What exactly is it that you want the State to do with my life, by contrast?

Holy shiat I love extremes.  So, for entertainment, let's go to the other extreme.  Let's disband the state completely!  We'll get rid of all laws and regulations all together.  There will be no oversight.

The simple result is that I club you, disassemble the important bits and wind up in a tree eating soup out of your skull.

If we want to get complicated, I'm gonna have to revitalize the American mayonnaise industry.  I know, it's a lot of work.  Seems to me there's still a lot of houses on the market due to the glut.  Many of them have swimming pools.  Given the destruction of the of state, I have to take things into my own hands.  I shall fill all of these pools with mayonnaise.  I'll use only American made mayo, such is the temper of my patriotism.  Then I'll find the finest American made cinder blocks and tie them to all of the anti government types' ankles and toss them in.  Helman's will make a mint, and we'll be done with your sort.

Or we could continue on with what we've got.  Maybe even try and improve it when we can.  Whatdya think?


Why do you want to drink soup out of a skull? Are you too good for solid foods? You could eat cereal out of a skull, or chili. Be creative,
 
2013-04-09 05:36:11 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.


Now all I can picture is an internment camp for children with high chain-link fences and one day a government representative shows up with a variety of guns and ammo, hands it all to the children - who have never even heard of guns before - and tells them to go outside and play.

Later that afternoon after the kids have (eventually) figured out how to load and shoot the guns, several kids are dead and the rest are traumatised he returns and takes all the guns away from them.

"Now you know why guns are evil, children - and why only the government can be trusted with them" he says as he leaves.

/I have a weird imagination
 
2013-04-09 05:53:35 AM
This sounds perfectly reasonable to those who reject the idea of personal responsibility and embrace the theory that there is no right or wrong.
 
2013-04-09 06:21:54 AM
Leave it to the "mouth breathers" to take a suggestion that neighbors looking out for each other's kids is government indoctrination of the children.  But then the strengthening of poorer communities is in direct opposition by default to the power base of the conservative movement.  It makes the poor and working class harder to divide and conquer politically and economically.
 
2013-04-09 06:24:30 AM
Libs, please stop. Just. Stop.
 
2013-04-09 06:31:06 AM
Note the original traditional saying Hillary appropriated and changed for her own purpose, "it takes a village to catch a child", is still as true as ever.
 
2013-04-09 06:33:12 AM
Yep, conservatives put this outrage over the airwaves on the same day that Rep. Mike Reynolds said that it is not the place of the government to give children an education (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/mike-reynolds-education_n_3 03 8157.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).

Which leaves me with the question:  Why do conservatives hate children so much?:
 
2013-04-09 06:47:44 AM

Alphakronik: Yep, conservatives put this outrage over the airwaves on the same day that Rep. Mike Reynolds said that it is not the place of the government to give children an education (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/mike-reynolds-education_n_3 03 8157.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).

Which leaves me with the question:  Why do conservatives hate children so much?:


He was talking about college and adults.  He supports K-12 public education.  He objects to being told "it's government's job/responsibility" to pay for college.  It may behoove government to help people go to college, but it is not government's obligation to do so.

My kid brought home a bulletin from one of his elementary school teachers that read, "Students are expected to bring in extra supplies for those who do not have enough."  I wrote back to her, "Try standing on the corner flying a sign that reads, 'Citizens are expected to give me a dollar' and let me know how you do."  We dumped our extra supplies in the donation box at the store, as we did the years before.
 
2013-04-09 06:49:36 AM

Alphakronik: Yep, conservatives put this outrage over the airwaves on the same day that Rep. Mike Reynolds said that it is not the place of the government to give children an education (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/mike-reynolds-education_n_3 03 8157.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).

Which leaves me with the question:  Why do conservatives hate children so much?:


Not all children, just the poor ones.  Because when poor kids get stuff like an education, they get all "uppity" and start thinking they are just as good as the kids from wealthy well connected families.  Then they wind up doing stuff like running for POTUS and winning.  Look at Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, and how they got all uppity and stuff.  Properly educating poor kids can be dangerous.
 
2013-04-09 06:49:46 AM
You mean in a community people often look after each other and the education of everyone's children is part of that?!?

What kind of radical nonsense is this!!


If I had a dime every time these idiots got outraged over something innocuous... Really, it must be exhausting getting outraged over every little thing that isn't in line with modern right wing dogma.
 
2013-04-09 06:53:55 AM
Conservatives should embrace this idea.  After all, if a child belongs to a community than it can easily be claimed that a fetus does as well.  And if that is the case than it is only fair that the community should have a say in determining whether or not a child is born in the first place so birth control options should be up to the community.  It would be unfair to deny the community their rights.  Those children and potential children belong to them.  And to ensure that the community has the best potential offspring to work with it is also essential that efforts are taken to sterilize undesirable portions of the population.  It is unfair to shackle a community with raising a child they don't want.

I don't agree with any of that.  I actually find it just as creepy as what this woman said.  Had she simply said "It takes a village" than sure I'd agree with her.  But she didn't say that. She said that children are the property of the community/state.  That's farking creepy as hell.

Why is it whenever a party is in power portions of its base suddenly become fans of Statism?
 
2013-04-09 06:59:40 AM

keylock71: You mean in a community people often look after each other and the education of everyone's children is part of that?!?

What kind of radical nonsense is this!!


If I had a dime every time these idiots got outraged over something innocuous... Really, it must be exhausting getting outraged over every little thing that isn't in line with modern right wing dogma.


The irony is that if you replace the word "community" with "church" the same people betting outraged would be "chest thumping" each other over the idea.  When in reality the "community" is sort of an inclusive extension of all the churches in the neighborhood as well as people who do not attend church.  It helps bring people of different faiths and backgrounds together for a common cause to make where they live a better place.

Well thinking of it that way, I can see why the "derpers" would be against it.  Next thing you know one of these "community organizers" might get crazy ideas and start running for office or something.
 
2013-04-09 07:04:02 AM

keylock71: You mean in a community people often look after each other and the education of everyone's children is part of that?!?


I mean, you don't have to, if you think you're good enough and you're fine with your kids being as good as or worse than you due to learning at best the stuff you know.

I would suspect that most people would at least hope that their kids might grow up to be better than them, though, so learning from people other than the parents is sort of necessary.

//If you're wondering what "as good as or worse than" your parents usually entails, look at the problems a home-schooled kid inevitably has upon leaving the nest that are complete non-problems to kids from some approximation of a public or public-equivalent schooling.  Homeschoolers can barely even communicate decipherably with other human beings for almost a solid year after finishing... some of the ones in my undergrad classes can't even follow basic logic, much less grasp differential equations.
 
2013-04-09 07:09:42 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Alphakronik: Yep, conservatives put this outrage over the airwaves on the same day that Rep. Mike Reynolds said that it is not the place of the government to give children an education (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/mike-reynolds-education_n_3 03 8157.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).

Which leaves me with the question:  Why do conservatives hate children so much?:

He was talking about college and adults.  He supports K-12 public education.  He objects to being told "it's government's job/responsibility" to pay for college.  It may behoove government to help people go to college, but it is not government's obligation to do so.

My kid brought home a bulletin from one of his elementary school teachers that read, "Students are expected to bring in extra supplies for those who do not have enough."  I wrote back to her, "Try standing on the corner flying a sign that reads, 'Citizens are expected to give me a dollar' and let me know how you do."  We dumped our extra supplies in the donation box at the store, as we did the years before.



Aww, now ya got me feeling bad.  Granted, I feel bad for your child having to be raised by assholes, but still, its upsetting.
 
2013-04-09 07:19:17 AM
Eh, I'm ok with not being involved with your ugly children.
 
2013-04-09 07:19:26 AM

Alphakronik: BarkingUnicorn: Alphakronik: Yep, conservatives put this outrage over the airwaves on the same day that Rep. Mike Reynolds said that it is not the place of the government to give children an education (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/mike-reynolds-education_n_3 03 8157.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).

Which leaves me with the question:  Why do conservatives hate children so much?:

He was talking about college and adults.  He supports K-12 public education.  He objects to being told "it's government's job/responsibility" to pay for college.  It may behoove government to help people go to college, but it is not government's obligation to do so.

My kid brought home a bulletin from one of his elementary school teachers that read, "Students are expected to bring in extra supplies for those who do not have enough."  I wrote back to her, "Try standing on the corner flying a sign that reads, 'Citizens are expected to give me a dollar' and let me know how you do."  We dumped our extra supplies in the donation box at the store, as we did the years before.


Aww, now ya got me feeling bad.  Granted, I feel bad for your child having to be raised by assholes, but still, its upsetting.


Yeah, I felt bad about leaving him with an asshole teacher, too, but what could I do?
 
2013-04-09 07:20:07 AM

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


I guess grammar wasn't a big part of your homeschooling curriculum.
 
2013-04-09 07:20:11 AM

heavymetal: The irony is that if you replace the word "community" with "church" the same people betting outraged would be "chest thumping" each other over the idea.  When in reality the "community" is sort of an inclusive extension of all the churches in the neighborhood as well as people who do not attend church.  It helps bring people of different faiths and backgrounds together for a common cause to make where they live a better place.


Of course, the idea of "community" and everyone belonging to said community isn't a radical new idea.


Jim_Callahan: I would suspect that most people would at least hope that their kids might grow up to be better than them, though, so learning from people other than the parents is sort of necessary.


Of course. Not to mention the socialization that takes place... Having said that, I have no problem with home schooling as long as the student is being graded and evaluated on the same criteria kids in public/private schools are graded and evaluated on.

Personally, when I think back to certain teachers I had as a kid and young adult, there really is no way I could have gotten that kind of well-rounded education just from my mom, as intelligent and rational as she was.

What I find comical is the outrage over the idea that belonging to a community is some kind of radical left wing "statism".
 
2013-04-09 07:23:41 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Alphakronik: BarkingUnicorn: Alphakronik: Yep, conservatives put this outrage over the airwaves on the same day that Rep. Mike Reynolds said that it is not the place of the government to give children an education (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/mike-reynolds-education_n_3 03 8157.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).

Which leaves me with the question:  Why do conservatives hate children so much?:

He was talking about college and adults.  He supports K-12 public education.  He objects to being told "it's government's job/responsibility" to pay for college.  It may behoove government to help people go to college, but it is not government's obligation to do so.

My kid brought home a bulletin from one of his elementary school teachers that read, "Students are expected to bring in extra supplies for those who do not have enough."  I wrote back to her, "Try standing on the corner flying a sign that reads, 'Citizens are expected to give me a dollar' and let me know how you do."  We dumped our extra supplies in the donation box at the store, as we did the years before.


Aww, now ya got me feeling bad.  Granted, I feel bad for your child having to be raised by assholes, but still, its upsetting.

Yeah, I felt bad about leaving him with an asshole teacher, too, but what could I do?


Send your kid to a private school?
 
2013-04-09 07:34:50 AM

Alphakronik: BarkingUnicorn: Alphakronik: BarkingUnicorn: Alphakronik: Yep, conservatives put this outrage over the airwaves on the same day that Rep. Mike Reynolds said that it is not the place of the government to give children an education (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/mike-reynolds-education_n_3 03 8157.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).

Which leaves me with the question:  Why do conservatives hate children so much?:

He was talking about college and adults.  He supports K-12 public education.  He objects to being told "it's government's job/responsibility" to pay for college.  It may behoove government to help people go to college, but it is not government's obligation to do so.

My kid brought home a bulletin from one of his elementary school teachers that read, "Students are expected to bring in extra supplies for those who do not have enough."  I wrote back to her, "Try standing on the corner flying a sign that reads, 'Citizens are expected to give me a dollar' and let me know how you do."  We dumped our extra supplies in the donation box at the store, as we did the years before.


Aww, now ya got me feeling bad.  Granted, I feel bad for your child having to be raised by assholes, but still, its upsetting.

Yeah, I felt bad about leaving him with an asshole teacher, too, but what could I do?

Send your kid to a private school?


And have him miss out on all the diversity goodness?  The school was very proud to tell us parents that 27 different languages were spoken among the students.  Flags from every country represented were in the lobby; it was like the farking UN plaza!  "Celebrate Diversity!" was the theme for Parents Night.

So I wore this t-shirt:

www.wvwnews.net
 
2013-04-09 07:42:41 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Alphakronik: BarkingUnicorn: Alphakronik: BarkingUnicorn: Alphakronik: Yep, conservatives put this outrage over the airwaves on the same day that Rep. Mike Reynolds said that it is not the place of the government to give children an education (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/08/mike-reynolds-education_n_3 03 8157.html?utm_hp_ref=politics).

Which leaves me with the question:  Why do conservatives hate children so much?:

He was talking about college and adults.  He supports K-12 public education.  He objects to being told "it's government's job/responsibility" to pay for college.  It may behoove government to help people go to college, but it is not government's obligation to do so.

My kid brought home a bulletin from one of his elementary school teachers that read, "Students are expected to bring in extra supplies for those who do not have enough."  I wrote back to her, "Try standing on the corner flying a sign that reads, 'Citizens are expected to give me a dollar' and let me know how you do."  We dumped our extra supplies in the donation box at the store, as we did the years before.


Aww, now ya got me feeling bad.  Granted, I feel bad for your child having to be raised by assholes, but still, its upsetting.

Yeah, I felt bad about leaving him with an asshole teacher, too, but what could I do?

Send your kid to a private school?

And have him miss out on all the diversity goodness?  The school was very proud to tell us parents that 27 different languages were spoken among the students.  Flags from every country represented were in the lobby; it was like the farking UN plaza!  "Celebrate Diversity!" was the theme for Parents Night.

So I wore this t-shirt:

[www.wvwnews.net image 295x221]


Did you wear a trucker hat with a silhouette of a woman with big breasts on it too?

Basically you're too broke for private school, but get kicks shiatting on people that have even less. Archie Bunker was just a character, bro.
 
2013-04-09 07:45:49 AM
Awesome thread everyone.  After analyzing all the posts through my magical analyzing fark app It has concluded that everyone has the same political philosophy but with completely different words.

Also, the fark app thread is very upset with the trolling in this thread and it appears that the future trolls of fark need to take some lessons by older more experienced trolls
 
2013-04-09 07:52:42 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Basically you're too broke for private school, but get kicks shiatting on people that have even less. Archie Bunker was just a character, bro.


So you're the guy in the grey Buick and sunglasses who's been following me all my life?  YOU BASTARD!

 
2013-04-09 07:53:34 AM

BarkingUnicorn: HotWingConspiracy: Basically you're too broke for private school, but get kicks shiatting on people that have even less. Archie Bunker was just a character, bro.

So you're the guy in the grey Buick and sunglasses who's been following me all my life?  YOU BASTARD!


I'm George Jefferson.
 
2013-04-09 07:56:01 AM

HotWingConspiracy: BarkingUnicorn: HotWingConspiracy: Basically you're too broke for private school, but get kicks shiatting on people that have even less. Archie Bunker was just a character, bro.

So you're the guy in the grey Buick and sunglasses who's been following me all my life?  YOU BASTARD!

I'm George Jefferson.


Bullshiat.  George drove a Mercedes.
 
2013-04-09 08:07:19 AM
400+ comment in the PROMO! What will it look like when the show actually airs?
 
2013-04-09 08:09:22 AM

SBWorks: 400+ comment in the PROMO! What will it look like when the show actually airs?


Fark's going to blow a server just as we get warmed up, as usual.
 
2013-04-09 08:16:25 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

Sounds a little too familiar.
 
2013-04-09 08:23:40 AM
EvilRacistNaziFascist:


The dissident voices on the right must not have nearly the same amount of power then.When I listen to right wing radio, or TV I almost always hear the same talking points.Left wing programs are usually a mess of conflicting items, except when it comes to the big things like gay marriage.

Obama isn't being heralded as a paragon of liberalism?! He is treated by mainstream American left- liberals as somebody who is practically beyond criticism. Again, I know that there are those who attack him from the left, but I don't think they're typical.



The hope was that Obama would be a transformational figure, and his rhetoric at least was a 180 from GW.As he moved through is term we have seen that either he is modified his positions due to practical reasons (i.e. we are bombing folks with drones for a reason), or showing his more centrist nature.The actual left in the US knows the score, at best they can put somebody like Obama out there and he will still make right wing heads spin.Were they to put up a real liberal for office the world would end.Democratic primaries are not nearly as far from the democratic base as the republican primaries are from their base.


nocturnal001: The reality is that private enterprise never developed the interstate system, didn't develop a railroad system without serious government help, didn't develop the internet etc. etc.

I've already established that I'm a conservative rather than a libertarian, but I'd just like you ask you a question: where do you think the all- benevolent State got the money from to pay for all these wonderful innovations? It is, regrettably, capitalist free enterprise that generates the wealth, that in turn creates the tax-base, that in turn makes government spending (whether well-directed or not) possible to begin with. And here's another question: what great enterprises has the government given us recently? And if there are fewer great enterprises in the US -- such as dams and power plants and space programmes, etc. -- than there have been in the past, why do you think that might be?

Eh, who knows what anyone is anymore.Our labels are all so mixed up as to be meaningless really, especially if you account for multiple axis political beliefs. There is a solid reason government hasn't given us anything bold lately, because our political environment does not allow it. Just look at the green energy loans.Most of those companies did pretty well, but it's a constant (and lame) joke on the right "lol another Solynydra". If we really wanted to prep ourselves for the next technology wave we would have done way more than offer a few loans. We created the atomic bomb for chump change compared to what we spent on Iraq (even accounting for inflation).Can we doubt that if we had spent 1 trillion dollars on making solar or other green energy a viable market we wouldn't have been able to?

In reality, a vanishingly small number of people have ever died from drinking poison soda. But over the past one hundred years alone something like 125 million people have been directly murdered by their governments. This is why the idea of regarding governments as inherently benevolent entities whose only mission is to save us from ourselves is dangerously naive. Again, I am not a libertarian and I am not opposed to the reasonable regulation of foodstuffs -- but if you think the free market is anywhere near as great a danger to your health as uncontrolled levels of government, you are completely ignorant of history.



Even in libertarian utopia a national government is needed for defense, I don't see how this changes the equation. Plus it's not like we can't pick and choose what parts of government we want.

I'm sadly old-fashioned, so I tend to look at these issues from a moral perspective. I assume that individual human beings are naturally fallible and corruptible, and that when they join together to form associations and institutions the fallibility and corruptibility are correspondingly magnified. This is why (although no Utopia is ever possible) a decentralized society is ultimately preferable, because the amount of human evil and its potential for ill- effects are minimized at a local level. The reason why the free market, even with its flaws, is preferable to big government is because each merchant in a free market is a finite entity. You drink X soda, it tastes like sh*t, you don't buy it again; you switch to Y soda, which is better. (Or stick to drinking water, which is best of all!) But the government, with its monopoly of force, is theoretically infinite in its reach. It can offer a product -- no matter how shoddy -- and forbid anyone else from offering the same kind of product; it can even compel you to consume its product (e.g. as in those countries where public education is mandatory and private education and/or homeschooling are forbidden). The government is always the greatest potential abuser because of its authority to discipline and punish. And why, if we are willing to always assume the worst of a private company who cannot compel us to do anything, should we be so willing to always assume the best of a government which can compel us to do everything?



There are glaring flaws in that model.It assumes that businesses are well intentioned, they are not always.We had a very similar situation here in the US back in the late 1800s and early 1900s where people sold all sorts of poisons to people under the guise of medicine.Even if the consumer figures this out, the damage is done, while those who were selling them have escaped with profits and are no longer accountable.The whole idea of the corporate veil would need to be destroyed, and all members of a business would have to be criminally accountable for any misstep. I'm a pragmatist above all, and I am positive that we receive (as a society) a positive ROI for these institutions that guarantee things like product safety.A true libertarian environment would be terribly inhospitable to business innovation, nobody would trust anybody and new products or businesses would nearly always fail.  People don't die from soda because you aren't allowed to add poison to soda, and anything you do add must be on the label.


The best way I have heard it described is why trust a corporation compared to your government? Your government is answerable to you on some level at least, while the corporation is only answerable to it's shareholders.Nothing is perfect, but 200+ years of steady economic growth suggests that our system works fairly well.
 
2013-04-09 08:28:22 AM

nocturnal001: EvilRacistNaziFascist: I Like Bread: The free market will sort it out. When word gets around that those parents starve their children, no one will want to buy children from them.

Look: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy... I haven't read the whole thread, has anybody said the "LOL GO TO SOMALIA" thing yet? That one's a classic (and easily the modern equivalent of "if you don't like it here, go to Russia").

Those arguments may not be compelling, but neither are the ones we receive from the libertarians.  What strikes me is that this philosophy is all about what ifs, never about "this actually happened".

The reality is that private enterprise never developed the interstate system, didn't develop a railroad system without serious government help, didn't develop the internet etc. etc.

And that doesn't even touch on the insane levels of transaction costs that would be imposed upon every single transaction in society without government intervention. Sure the free market will make sure ultimately that Soda Brand X doesn't contain poison, but glazing over the few people killed for the market to learn that, do you guys really think anyone would try new products in that enviornment? Every single thing we did would be a long and drawn out process to mitigate the risk that government regulation mitigates for us.

No doubt government is in fact a non-producing drain on human enterprise, but in what it takes it absolutely can faciliate far greater growth as risks are reduced.  Yeah, I could take 29 different private highways to get around the US, but just dealing with the billing systems for 29 companies would cost me a fortune if I owned a trucking company.


Well the other problem of such unfettered free markets is that the competition left to itself is corrupt and always finds ways to end real competition - for example with the early railways and industry you see small successful companies growing (which is good), but then they get big enough so they can dominate the market (often at both ends, consumers and their workers) and end competition. Equally the competition is rarely "fair" - there is the example of the early unregulated phone companies in London, which meant lots of companies setting up redundant wires on rooftops that already had wiring from other companies - and of course if the competitors wires accidentally got broken when fitting a new line for your company, well all the better.

The market also rewards lying to your customers - well established in the food industry, from the old history of hand shaping raspberry "pips" from bits of wood and adding sawdust and alum to bread, and adding lead citrate (poisonous of course) to watered down milk to make it look creamy again, right up to the modern day of breeding smaller fruits and vegetables where they are sold "per unit", injecting water into chicken breasts to bulk up the weight, or inserting extra "connective tissue" into meat products until it is just under the government limits of what is acceptable, which shows that nothing has changed on the business side of things, just government slowly erodes away the most egregious forms of swindling that companies have been caught doing over time. The free market is always flexible enough to find new ways to sidestep existing legislation and cheat the customer out of more profits, but it takes a while for the industry to adapt and things improve for a while at least, and each cheat is on average less problematic than past ones.
 
2013-04-09 08:41:35 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x300]

Sounds a little too familiar.


Never read the book, eh?
 
2013-04-09 08:46:42 AM
Corporations are people too my friends.

Once they make sure you and your wife are working 4 jobs AND trying to homeschool your kids, they want an opportunity to prove they can raise your kids for you. At a profit!

/ Just before they prove you're an unfit parent when you get sent to debtors prison for getting behind on your 2 Million dollar hospital bills...

// Wanna buy my kid for a kidney?

/// YAY "Free" Market Capitalism!
 
2013-04-09 08:55:31 AM
If your children are your property, then keep your property off my lawn.
 
2013-04-09 08:58:39 AM

Heraclitus: Corporations are people too my friends.

Once they make sure you and your wife are working 4 jobs AND trying to homeschool your kids, they want an opportunity to prove they can raise your kids for you. At a profit!

/ Just before they prove you're an unfit parent when you get sent to debtors prison for getting behind on your 2 Million dollar hospital bills...

// Wanna buy my kid for a kidney?

/// YAY "Free" Market Capitalism!


Lately they seem to be actually above people. Doesn't make any sense that a corporation has rights like freedom of speech, yet if a corporation does something criminaly negligent, management/owners are protected unless they did something wrong themselves.

My favorite example is when BofA was forclosing on people that never even had a mortgage with them.  One lady had her locks changed, and her stuff thrown out onto the street by BofA agents.

Were I to break into somebody's home and throw their stuff on the street I would be arrested for B&E and wouldn't be able to say "whoops, lol, I thought she owed me mortgage payments".  I totaly get why people involved in a corporation are protected by that status, but you can't have your cake and eat it to.  How can you have the rights of a person but not the legal responsibilities?
 
2013-04-09 09:02:46 AM

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: If your children are your property, then keep your property off my lawn.


Personally, I find a buffer zone around the property of ten-minute itch, poison ivy, and pricker bushes works great as a deterrent for wayward youth... They usually only try to cut through once.
 
2013-04-09 09:12:27 AM

GAT_00: Um, most analyses of early human communities say that children were raised exactly like this - by the community.  So conservatives are effectively getting mad at returning to historical methods of raising children.




U get dumber by the day
 
2013-04-09 09:29:32 AM

Dinki: So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents choose to abuse, neglect, or starve their children it's all good, right?




What if the the community decides to do the same? Might as well kill the kids huh? Head asplodes.....fing idiot
 
2013-04-09 09:31:20 AM

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


that's a whole lotta derp. nothing you said was even close to being accurate
 
2013-04-09 09:37:10 AM

HotWingConspiracy: BraveNewCheneyWorld: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x300]

Sounds a little too familiar.

Never read the book, eh?


FTFB-
"Everyone belongs to everyone else"

As usual, you're clueless.
 
2013-04-09 09:44:31 AM
if children don't belong to the state why is the GOP trying to mandate drug tests for them?
 
2013-04-09 09:49:05 AM

DamnYankees: OH NOES!  COMMUNITISOCIALISM!!


"Democracy would be wholly valueless to the proletariat if it were not immediately used as a means for putting through measures directed against private property and ensuring the livelihood of the proletariat. The main measures, emerging as the necessary result of existing relations, are the following:

(viii) Education of all children, from the moment they can leave their mother's care, in national establishments at national cost. Education and production together.  "

"It will transform the relations between the sexes into a purely private matter which concerns only the persons involved and into which society has no occasion to intervene. It can do this since it does away with private property and educates children on a communal basis, and in this way removes the two bases of traditional marriage - the dependence rooted in private property, of the women on the man, and of the children on the parents."
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm ">The Principles of Communism, Frederick Engels 1847</a>
 
2013-04-09 09:50:11 AM

Hobodeluxe: if children don't belong to the state why is the GOP trying to mandate drug tests for them?


are you taking the position that they DO belong to the state?
 
2013-04-09 09:55:56 AM

skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: if children don't belong to the state why is the GOP trying to mandate drug tests for them?

are you taking the position that they DO belong to the state?


in some respects society does have a role to play to insure their well being.
are you saying that society/govt has no responsibility for their well being?
 
2013-04-09 10:02:12 AM
I have children who are wards of the state. So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies, etc
 
2013-04-09 10:03:47 AM

Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: if children don't belong to the state why is the GOP trying to mandate drug tests for them?

are you taking the position that they DO belong to the state?

in some respects society does have a role to play to insure their well being.
are you saying that society/govt has no responsibility for their well being?


See, you said "if children don't belong to the state..." in a manner which implied that you believe that they do. Then you did the old bait and switch and went with "are you saying that the state has no responsibility for their well being?" These aren't even remotely similar. Which do you mean? Do children belong to the state or are  you merely stating the obvious, that the state does have a responsibility to protect children?
 
2013-04-09 10:10:26 AM

skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: if children don't belong to the state why is the GOP trying to mandate drug tests for them?

are you taking the position that they DO belong to the state?

in some respects society does have a role to play to insure their well being.
are you saying that society/govt has no responsibility for their well being?

See, you said "if children don't belong to the state..." in a manner which implied that you believe that they do. Then you did the old bait and switch and went with "are you saying that the state has no responsibility for their well being?" These aren't even remotely similar. Which do you mean? Do children belong to the state or are  you merely stating the obvious, that the state does have a responsibility to protect children?


I just think that it's not black and white with only 2 extreme positions. it's up to us to decide when it's beneficial and when it's intrusive. some think that we need to indoctrinate kids with religion in public schools. some think we need to do away with public schools and let the parents fend for themselves in finding private education for them or homeschool them. some think that we need to have them tested for drugs on a regular basis. some think we need to not teach hard sciences that contradict religious beliefs. as a society we have to guard against such indoctrination.
 
2013-04-09 10:13:40 AM

Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: skullkrusher: Hobodeluxe: if children don't belong to the state why is the GOP trying to mandate drug tests for them?

are you taking the position that they DO belong to the state?

in some respects society does have a role to play to insure their well being.
are you saying that society/govt has no responsibility for their well being?

See, you said "if children don't belong to the state..." in a manner which implied that you believe that they do. Then you did the old bait and switch and went with "are you saying that the state has no responsibility for their well being?" These aren't even remotely similar. Which do you mean? Do children belong to the state or are  you merely stating the obvious, that the state does have a responsibility to protect children?

I just think that it's not black and white with only 2 extreme positions. it's up to us to decide when it's beneficial and when it's intrusive. some think that we need to indoctrinate kids with religion in public schools. some think we need to do away with public schools and let the parents fend for themselves in finding private education for them or homeschool them. some think that we need to have them tested for drugs on a regular basis. some think we need to not teach hard sciences that contradict religious beliefs. as a society we have to guard against such indoctrination.


all of which can be said without saying absurd shiat like "children belong to the state"
 
2013-04-09 10:17:52 AM
I demand the government provide me with a vagina so that I may contribute offspring to the great and mighty USA.
 
2013-04-09 10:37:00 AM
Pretty typical actually,

"We want to get all up in your business to save that unborn child!"

9 months later...

"That kid is YOUR responsibility. No safety net for you!"

Cognitive dissonance at its finest folks!
 
2013-04-09 10:41:14 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: HotWingConspiracy: BraveNewCheneyWorld: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x300]

Sounds a little too familiar.

Never read the book, eh?

FTFB-
"Everyone belongs to everyone else"

As usual, you're clueless.


Shhh, precious child. No tears now.
 
2013-04-09 11:01:12 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Interesting and disturbing news item. Interesting and disturbing thread.

On the one hand, there are a lot of unfit parents. It runs the gamut from neglect and psychological abuse to physical and sexual abuse. The causes range from cluelessness of what children need to psychosis to deliberate sadism and sociopathic behavior. As with anything else, there is a Bell Curve of behavior and issues. 50% of parenting is going to be sub-par. 2% is going to be horrible.

Then again, 50% of parenting is going to be over-par. 2% is going to be outstanding.

In genetics and evolution, a wide range of genetic characteristics helps preserve the longevity of the species. A single plague, for example, will have a tougher time wiping out every single individual. Variation, then, is a survival trait.

Perhaps the same applies to different styles/types of parenting...?

Perhaps a "community creche" model where are children are subjected to the same parenting philosophy might have unintended consequences of mental uniformity and mediocrity...?

Also, a progressive thought seems to be that The State could probably do a better job of parenting than the sub-par 50%. But wait a minute. The State is made up of people. and the Bell Curve is everywhere. So 50% of those people will also be sub-par.

I can see that a few measures would be effective, just and moral. These would be in the area where being a parent has an effect on the community - other people. And, curiously, I say this as someone who has Libertarian leanings.

For example, I don't really see a "right" to have a child. Children effect other people, perhaps very negatively. Genetic issues aside, it's probably true that a sufficiently abused child can grow up to be a sociopathic monster. Perhaps, then, childbirth should be licensed, and licenses granted only to couples who take and pass parenting courses. Non-licensed children would become wards of The State and adopted out to licensed infertile couples.

Thoughts?


I've been holding my tongue in this thread hoping others would make my points for me, for the most part they have, so whatever, but in response to parenting licenses I would ask you if you would really trust the person who got stuck teaching compulsory parenting courses to either give a shiat or be worth a damn?

If so then I would like you to voluntarily sign up and attend the classes held by your local county in cases of determining custody in the event of a dissolution of marriage or cessation in cohabitation between non married couples with children. If your county doesn't have anything like that, then you are probably lucky to not live in the horrible bureaucratic mess that most impoverished americans face. There already exists a system which essentially operates as a "licensing" procedure.

I agree with much of your thoughts on the bell curve idea, and would like to add that "parenting" isn't just one thing, one book, "good parenting" has to do with the needs and motivations of the individual child, and thus, cannot logically be mandated or codified beyond this on the scale of diversity which exists in america.

I would never submit a child of mine to be taught by a fundamentalist religious institution whose beliefs i find abhorrent or those which i don't adhere to, i would hope that others would agree that that is a right held by all people. "the state" itself functions as a belief system in much the same way..
 
2013-04-09 11:02:32 AM

GAT_00: Um, most analyses of early human communities say that children were raised exactly like this - by the community.  So conservatives are effectively getting mad at returning to historical methods of raising children.


The Bronze Age was truly the golden age of parenting.
 
2013-04-09 11:14:00 AM

HotWingConspiracy: BraveNewCheneyWorld: HotWingConspiracy: BraveNewCheneyWorld: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x300]

Sounds a little too familiar.

Never read the book, eh?

FTFB-
"Everyone belongs to everyone else"

As usual, you're clueless.

Shhh, precious child. No tears now.


Wait.. you read my post, claim that I couldn't have read the book, get shown to not have read the book yourself, called on it, and then call me names for defending myself?  If denial was a martial art, you would be its master.
 
2013-04-09 11:44:16 AM

Heraclitus: Pretty typical actually,

"We want to get all up in your business to save that unborn child!"

9 months later...

"That kid is YOUR responsibility. No safety net for you!"

Cognitive dissonance at its finest folks!


Not really

/pro-choice
//this argument is still dumb
 
2013-04-09 12:03:56 PM
Isn't this the same guy that complained about right wing media being too much of an outrage factory?
 
2013-04-09 12:28:26 PM

Heraclitus: Pretty typical actually,

"We want to get all up in your business to save that unborn child!"

9 months later...

"That kid is YOUR responsibility. No safety net for you!"

Cognitive dissonance at its finest folks!


Ah, yes, the Republican party. We'll force you to be born, we won't let you die with dignity, but in between you are on your goddamned own. - Buck Futter
 
2013-04-09 01:41:03 PM
What happens when children become 'communal':
images.huffingtonpost.com
 
2013-04-09 07:09:58 PM
Though I respect the spirit of the message do you really want the community of Detroit Michigan to help raise your kids?
 
2013-04-09 11:02:38 PM
badhatharry:

(farky'd as: I have to wipe my butt on my own!!! This will not stand! 6973905)

I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.

So now you need a community to...erm....wipe you?
 
2013-04-10 01:01:15 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: sorry if you felt insulted. that wasn't the intent.
I was mocking the "you didn't build that" and I thought my comments about the cars and roads were over the top enough that you wouldn't take it seriously.


Of course you were, you're either too stupid to understand what it means or deliberately ignore the rest of the speech in order to work up your indignant outrage. You and BraveNewCheneyWorld operate the exact same way, ignoring everything pointed out, explained, and yelled to you in order to keep saying the exact same whiny shiat day in and day out.
 
2013-04-10 04:18:00 PM

Kazrath: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

Wow you are either really stupid, or an amazing troll.  I am going with really stupid.

Did you teach your child everything he knows?  Did you keep him safe every second he was alive?  Did you personally feed him every single drop of food he ever ate?  If not, then your argument is completely invalid.  The "Community" raised your kid far far more than you did as he spent significantly more time as a child with the "Community" than he did with you.  Does that make you a bad parent or even a bad person.. nope.  Being a dumbarse who gets angry over concepts he cannot comprehend makes you a bad person.


You are obviously a product of a education factory run by the state, therefore unable to have a single unique thought. Private lives bad, government indoctrination good. Well go about with your government worship and you will never achieve your full potential, waiting for you government to help you. By the way the people who are in government are for the most part people who could not make it in the world without taking money (taxes) from the earners and give it to the less than worthy, ie government workers.
 
2013-04-10 04:47:55 PM

maxalt: Kazrath: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

Wow you are either really stupid, or an amazing troll.  I am going with really stupid.

Did you teach your child everything he knows?  Did you keep him safe every second he was alive?  Did you personally feed him every single drop of food he ever ate?  If not, then your argument is completely invalid.  The "Community" raised your kid far far more than you did as he spent significantly more time as a child with the "Community" than he did with you.  Does that make you a bad parent or even a bad person.. nope.  Being a dumbarse who gets angry over concepts he cannot comprehend makes you a bad person.

You are obviously a product of a education factory run by the state, therefore unable to have a single unique thought. Private lives bad, government indoctrination good. Well go about ...


"Baa baa sheeple baa baa I'm the only one who thinks for myself baa baa baa"

The funny thing is, others think just like you do, so you're just another species of sheeple bleating something different from other sheeple.

If you really don't want to contribute to society, leave it. Take your family into the desolate mountains or desert and eek out an existence there. No one will miss you.
 
2013-04-10 04:58:58 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: maxalt: Kazrath: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

Wow you are either really stupid, or an amazing troll.  I am going with really stupid.

Did you teach your child everything he knows?  Did you keep him safe every second he was alive?  Did you personally feed him every single drop of food he ever ate?  If not, then your argument is completely invalid.  The "Community" raised your kid far far more than you did as he spent significantly more time as a child with the "Community" than he did with you.  Does that make you a bad parent or even a bad person.. nope.  Being a dumbarse who gets angry over concepts he cannot comprehend makes you a bad person.

You are obviously a product of a education factory run by the state, therefore unable to have a single unique thought. Private lives bad, government indoctrination good. Well g ...


No one thinks like me if you are a free man , not a government d*ck licker. Government is nothing but force, they have one tool and it is force. no more no less
 
2013-04-10 05:09:33 PM

maxalt: Keizer_Ghidorah: maxalt: Kazrath: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

Wow you are either really stupid, or an amazing troll.  I am going with really stupid.

Did you teach your child everything he knows?  Did you keep him safe every second he was alive?  Did you personally feed him every single drop of food he ever ate?  If not, then your argument is completely invalid.  The "Community" raised your kid far far more than you did as he spent significantly more time as a child with the "Community" than he did with you.  Does that make you a bad parent or even a bad person.. nope.  Being a dumbarse who gets angry over concepts he cannot comprehend makes you a bad person.

You are obviously a product of a education factory run by the state, therefore unable to have a single unique thought. Private lives bad, government indoctrina ...


Yes yes yes, I've heard it before from bad movies, bad TV shows, and bad novels. You should be glad the government protects your freedom to say such things about it and hasn't forced you into a concentration camp like you're so eager it will in order to have your whiny life justified.
 
2013-04-10 05:31:53 PM
The government has four jobs, to protect our country from all enemies both foreign and domestic, to deliver the mail, set weights and measures and terrifs  When I was young the only way the President Eisenhower could get the interstate roads system passed was to say it was for national defense, ie landing fields for Air Force planes, that is why there is always a 4 mile stretch of uninterrupted roads every 25 miles. Believe in your government mama and you will go far.
 
2013-04-10 05:58:44 PM

maxalt: The government has four jobs, to protect our country from all enemies both foreign and domestic, to deliver the mail, set weights and measures and terrifs  When I was young the only way the President Eisenhower could get the interstate roads system passed was to say it was for national defense, ie landing fields for Air Force planes, that is why there is always a 4 mile stretch of uninterrupted roads every 25 miles. Believe in your government mama and you will go far.


If you're going to copy-paste something, at least fix it up a little. That post looks like you ran it through Babelfish a few times, and it still said nothing of intelligence or value anyway.
 
2013-04-10 06:10:05 PM
Try reading the constitution some time and stop licking the government boots.
 
2013-04-10 06:33:11 PM

maxalt: Try reading the constitution some time and stop licking the government boots.


We know you're a troll, you can stop crying for attention.
 
2013-04-10 11:09:43 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: maxalt: Try reading the constitution some time and stop licking the government boots.

We know you're a troll, you can stop crying for attention.


you can stop giving it to him and save us all the trouble
 
2013-04-11 12:58:25 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: maxalt: Try reading the constitution some time and stop licking the government boots.

We know you're a troll, you can stop crying for attention.


Because I don't sit at the feet of government does not make me a troll, try to think for yourself for once, better yet try to support yourself without big Papa government or mommy and daddy holding your hand. It seems almost every one here on Fark have all the same ideas. Chin scratches, speaking in halted tempo, and kneeling at the feet of government. Go ahead try to BE SOMETHING in your life, try to live and accomplish some thing to be proud of on your own. Better yet try to cross government and see just how "helpful" your friends in government will be then, contest a traffic ticket, ask a cop why they are sitting some where waiting for some one to do the least infraction. You will see how much government "helps" you.
 
2013-04-11 01:18:01 PM

maxalt: Keizer_Ghidorah: maxalt: Try reading the constitution some time and stop licking the government boots.

We know you're a troll, you can stop crying for attention.

Because I don't sit at the feet of government does not make me a troll, try to think for yourself for once, better yet try to support yourself without big Papa government or mommy and daddy holding your hand. It seems almost every one here on Fark have all the same ideas. Chin scratches, speaking in halted tempo, and kneeling at the feet of government. Go ahead try to BE SOMETHING in your life, try to live and accomplish some thing to be proud of on your own. Better yet try to cross government and see just how "helpful" your friends in government will be then, contest a traffic ticket, ask a cop why they are sitting some where waiting for some one to do the least infraction. You will see how much government "helps" you.


Dude, you're worse than BraveNewCheneyWorld, tenpoundsofcheese, randomjsa, and I drunk what with constantly repeating yourself. Think of some new material and maybe you can make someone actually believe you.
 
2013-04-11 02:55:31 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: maxalt: Keizer_Ghidorah: maxalt: Try reading the constitution some time and stop licking the government boots.

We know you're a troll, you can stop crying for attention.

Because I don't sit at the feet of government does not make me a troll, try to think for yourself for once, better yet try to support yourself without big Papa government or mommy and daddy holding your hand. It seems almost every one here on Fark have all the same ideas. Chin scratches, speaking in halted tempo, and kneeling at the feet of government. Go ahead try to BE SOMETHING in your life, try to live and accomplish some thing to be proud of on your own. Better yet try to cross government and see just how "helpful" your friends in government will be then, contest a traffic ticket, ask a cop why they are sitting some where waiting for some one to do the least infraction. You will see how much government "helps" you.

Dude, you're worse than BraveNewCheneyWorld, tenpoundsofcheese, randomjsa, and I drunk what with constantly repeating yourself. Think of some new material and maybe you can make someone actually believe you.


You will NEVER succeed on you own, and thus never know true happiness. Plus I don't believe you could possibly come up with a genuine independent new thought, please never leave your Moms basement and move because every village needs their own idiot. You bore me with you government worship, you can't even see through you own BS. I know why you are so angry, you don't have the confidence of a 16 year old on their first date, please go back licking the governments feet and let the rest of us who have an IQ that doesn't fluctuate   with room temperature try to save the freedom America has given us. Bye Bye
 
2013-04-11 06:53:39 PM
Wow, the pro-establishment NEA shills really mucked this thread up good.

I'm curious, though...how do you guys keep track of all your sock puppets? Is it a simple excel spreadsheet thingy, or some sorta slick, real-time, web-enabled CRM doodad?

It's an honest question.
 
2013-04-11 10:02:07 PM

maxalt: Keizer_Ghidorah: maxalt: Keizer_Ghidorah: maxalt: Try reading the constitution some time and stop licking the government boots.

We know you're a troll, you can stop crying for attention.

Because I don't sit at the feet of government does not make me a troll, try to think for yourself for once, better yet try to support yourself without big Papa government or mommy and daddy holding your hand. It seems almost every one here on Fark have all the same ideas. Chin scratches, speaking in halted tempo, and kneeling at the feet of government. Go ahead try to BE SOMETHING in your life, try to live and accomplish some thing to be proud of on your own. Better yet try to cross government and see just how "helpful" your friends in government will be then, contest a traffic ticket, ask a cop why they are sitting some where waiting for some one to do the least infraction. You will see how much government "helps" you.

Dude, you're worse than BraveNewCheneyWorld, tenpoundsofcheese, randomjsa, and I drunk what with constantly repeating yourself. Think of some new material and maybe you can make someone actually believe you.

You will NEVER succeed on you own, and thus never know true happiness. Plus I don't believe you could possibly come up with a genuine independent new thought, please never leave your Moms basement and move because every village needs their own idiot. You bore me with you government worship, you can't even see through you own BS. I know why you are so angry, you don't have the confidence of a 16 year old on their first date, please go back licking the governments feet and let the rest of us who have an IQ that doesn't fluctuate   with room temperature try to save the freedom America has given us. Bye Bye


All this coming from someone who can't even type articulately.
 
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