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(RedState)   MSNBC host films a commercial saying that children don't belong to their parents or their families, but to their communities at large. This is an outrage, apparently   ( redstate.com) divider line
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2013-04-08 02:04:57 PM  
OH NOES!  COMMUNITISOCIALISM!!
 
2013-04-08 02:11:11 PM  
So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents choose to abuse, neglect, or starve their children it's all good, right?
 
2013-04-08 02:13:33 PM  
FTFA:
So kids belong to whole communities? Didn't we fight a war back in the 1800s to prove that people weren't owned by the state or anyone else, but were, in fact, people? Seriously?

So you think we fought a war to prove kids were the property of their parents? What?
 
2013-04-08 02:13:38 PM  

Dinki: So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents choose to abuse, neglect, or starve their children it's all good, right?


MUST....AVOID....CHILDSEX.....JOKE.....
 
2013-04-08 02:19:30 PM  
The community has no role or responsibility for children.

Unless libs want to teach them science, right RedState?
 
2013-04-08 02:19:46 PM  
The people of perpetual shock and horror.
 
2013-04-08 02:37:37 PM  
Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.
 
2013-04-08 02:53:13 PM  
So a commentator says something along the lines that raising children is a civic responsibility.

To republican ears, that means, "ZOMG, OBAMA SAYS THE GOVERNMENT IS COMING TO TAKE AWAY YOUR KIDS!!"

Call me crazy, but I am detecting a pattern here.
 
2013-04-08 03:07:22 PM  

Dinki: So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents Community chooses to abuse, neglect, or starve their children instill a proper respect for themselves and others in society, it's all good, right?

/it takes a village
 
2013-04-08 03:20:20 PM  
Didn't this same reaction happen after Hillary published "It Takes a Village"?
 
2013-04-08 03:26:07 PM  
Republicans and/or conservatives were people who supported communalism for much of our history.  It's amazing how reviled the very idea has become.  It was during Reagan's days that they started to demonize it at every level.
 
2013-04-08 03:36:14 PM  
Can I sue my community for child support?
 
2013-04-08 03:42:02 PM  
You are an unfit mother. Your children will be placed in the custody of Carl's Jr.
 
2013-04-08 03:49:30 PM  

Diogenes: Republicans and/or conservatives were people who supported communalism for much of our history.  It's amazing how reviled the very idea has become.  It was during Reagan's days that they started to demonize it at every level.


And Democrats were the ones who defended slavery

People change. Idea's change. The political world we live in is much different than those days.
 
2013-04-08 03:58:38 PM  
Because the concepts of slavery and community spirit are totally morally analogous.
 
2013-04-08 03:59:26 PM  

Aarontology: Because the concepts of slavery and community spirit are totally morally analogous.


You dispute that people change?
 
2013-04-08 03:59:46 PM  

cman: Diogenes: Republicans and/or conservatives were people who supported communalism for much of our history.  It's amazing how reviled the very idea has become.  It was during Reagan's days that they started to demonize it at every level.

And Democrats were the ones who defended slavery

People change. Idea's change. The political world we live in is much different than those days.


While true, the two really aren't analogous.  Communalism and individualism historically haven't had party gravity like other political ideals/trends.

I've been reading alot in this area lately (god I need some new fiction!).  The first (finished) touches on this topic quite a bit.  The second (in progress) addresses it directly.

The Thirteen American Arguments
Our Divided Political Heart
 
2013-04-08 04:02:41 PM  

Diogenes: cman: Diogenes: Republicans and/or conservatives were people who supported communalism for much of our history.  It's amazing how reviled the very idea has become.  It was during Reagan's days that they started to demonize it at every level.

And Democrats were the ones who defended slavery

People change. Idea's change. The political world we live in is much different than those days.

While true, the two really aren't analogous.  Communalism and individualism historically haven't had party gravity like other political ideals/trends.

I've been reading alot in this area lately (god I need some new fiction!).  The first (finished) touches on this topic quite a bit.  The second (in progress) addresses it directly.

The Thirteen American Arguments
Our Divided Political Heart


Here is some good non-fiction that I recommend to everyone: anything by Brian Greene or Neil deGrasse Tyson. Sagan's books are overrated.
 
2013-04-08 04:03:09 PM  

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


2/10. Needs more creationism.
 
2013-04-08 04:07:47 PM  

cman: Aarontology: Because the concepts of slavery and community spirit are totally morally analogous.

You dispute that people change?


Not at all.

I'm saying making the comparison of "community" to "slavery" is stupid and cheapens the horrors of slavery. Especially given that community isn't inherently evil like slavery.
 
2013-04-08 04:16:10 PM  
Um, most analyses of early human communities say that children were raised exactly like this - by the community.  So conservatives are effectively getting mad at returning to historical methods of raising children.
 
2013-04-08 04:25:10 PM  

clancifer: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

2/10. Needs more creationism.


Don't care if you can't think for yourself, which government school did you attend? By heart felt beliefs are not of anyone's concern. Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate to high school from the 1880's. The tests are available on the internet. Then rate youself as to education.
 
2013-04-08 04:27:16 PM  

maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate


I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.
 
2013-04-08 04:31:37 PM  

James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.


You should have posted the full quote.
 
2013-04-08 05:31:28 PM  

James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.


Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government
 
2013-04-08 05:34:37 PM  

GAT_00: Um, most analyses of early human communities say that children were raised exactly like this - by the community.  So conservatives are effectively getting mad at returning to historical methods of raising children.


Leave it to the left to want to return to the stone age.
And be proud of it.
 
2013-04-08 05:35:21 PM  
I knew this spot would generate a derpstorm.  Surprised I haven't heard more outrage than I have.

KarmicDisaster: You are an unfit mother. Your children will be placed in the custody of Carl's Jr.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
Maybe not a good idea.
 
2013-04-08 05:39:09 PM  

maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government


He didn't build that success.
If someone didn't build the car, he would have froze
And if someone didn't build the roads, no one would have built the car.
On the flip side, if there weren't that many cars, there would be no global warming  eh cooling  eh climate change and Michigan would be a lot warmer so he wouldn't need a car to begin with.
 
2013-04-08 05:40:48 PM  

Type_Hard: Didn't this same reaction happen after Hillary published "It Takes a Village"?


Yeah, pretty much. Most homeschoolers / religious nutjobs are horrified at the thought of someone teaching their kids something that they don't approve of.
 
2013-04-08 05:42:35 PM  

maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government


God bless your wife for overcoming the social stigma and having children with someone of your... capacity.
 
2013-04-08 05:46:10 PM  
Raising kids through a communal system is arguably a conservative idea. The only problem is that conservatives have so internalized the idea that self-interest is in everyone's interest that they forgot that kids actually can't raise themselves. Now we actually do need the government to provide some basic level of services.

Or maybe they think it's good that kids are being educated on Baltimore street corners instead of in school.
 
2013-04-08 05:54:37 PM  

James!: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

God bless your wife for overcoming the social stigma and having children with someone of your... capacity.


I guess you are just another uneducated libtard who would not know an insult if it devoured his posterior. Keep up the whining and some day you may make it into a low class job whining about how life has screwed you over. No one who is successful in this world waits for success, if you are successful, you go out and get it. I suppose you could be one of the chinless wonders who find their place in government warming a chair and complaining that you don't get enough vacation. Go on looking at the obstacles in life and you will never see the opportunities, I truly feel for you.
 
2013-04-08 06:01:58 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

He didn't build that success.
If someone didn't build the car, he would have froze
And if someone didn't build the roads, no one would have built the car.
On the flip side, if there weren't that many cars, there would be no global warming  eh cooling  eh climate change and Michigan would be a lot warmer so he wouldn't need a car to begin with.


Isn't that an Obama quote that a bunch of people got upset about a few months back?
 
2013-04-08 06:02:00 PM  
Isn't the whole small town thing where everyone knows your parents and keeps you in line a major component of what the bootstrappy types think merica should return to?
 
2013-04-08 06:05:36 PM  
Someone set us up a dirty diaper!
 
2013-04-08 06:09:41 PM  

maxalt: words



Dude, you really need to be more subtle if you're gonna make a run at this trolling business.
 
2013-04-08 06:10:40 PM  
The ingenious Pocket Ninja and my favorite troll Mike_LowELL are the only people I have favorited right now.  But keep it up, maxalt, and you can join the list.  I particularly like haw tenpoundsofcheese is taking your posts seriously.
 
2013-04-08 06:14:56 PM  
Cool, so liberals are saying I should be able to spank little brats when their bleeding heart parents won't.
 
2013-04-08 06:16:08 PM  

vygramul: FTFA:
So kids belong to whole communities? Didn't we fight a war back in the 1800s to prove that people weren't owned by the state or anyone else, but were, in fact, people? Seriously?

So you think we fought a war to prove kids were the property of their parents? What?


What I want to know is, when did this idea creep up on us, that children are people? When I was a kid, I would have been laughed at if I claimed I had any rights. My parents would have laughed the hardest. In school we studied civics, but those weren't our rights we talked about. Now, everywhere you go is crawling with mouthy little farks who look like slouching sheepdogs. I'm not saying they should be community property, like I've got a timeshare on some neighborhood punk or something. That would be nice, because my car needs washing, but that's not what I'm saying. It's just that someone should own them until they prove capable of surviving on their own, and they should know it.
 
2013-04-08 06:20:48 PM  

sammyk: Isn't the whole small town thing where everyone knows your parents and keeps you in line a major component of what the bootstrappy types think merica should return to?


Oh, but that not what she meant.  She meant that they should be the physical property of the People, as represented by the top Party leaders.  They will decide what is best for the child and for the rest of us.  There will be a People's Council on Childhood Affairs that will determine which children are more suited to be soldiers, which are more suited to be bureaucrats, which are suited to scientists, etc.  Those deemed at risk of becoming a Public Enemy of the People will sent to reeducation centers (aka "Obamacamps") provided by FEMA.

I think that's what this dipshiat's afraid of.
 
2013-04-08 06:22:26 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: The ingenious Pocket Ninja and my favorite troll Mike_LowELL are the only people I have favorited right now.  But keep it up, maxalt, and you can join the list.  I particularly like haw tenpoundsofcheese is taking your posts seriously.


Wow.  Your favorites list looks a lot like my ignore list.  Except for PN of course.
 
2013-04-08 06:25:33 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

He didn't build that success.
If someone didn't build the car, he would have froze
And if someone didn't build the roads, no one would have built the car.
On the flip side, if there weren't that many cars, there would be no global warming  eh cooling  eh climate change and Michigan would be a lot warmer so he wouldn't need a car to begin with.


Now THAT is how you insult someone, I give you a +5 on the scale of -5 to +5 you even brought the King of DC into the picture, and you did not attack me mindlessly. Well done well done! By the by Michigan has been warming for 10,000 years. 10,000 years ago it was covered in miles thick ice. Back in the 1960"s the teachers taught us we were all going to freeze in a 100 years or so, scared the mulch out of us 3 graders, just as global warming is doing to the 3rd graders now.
 
2013-04-08 06:27:07 PM  

GleeUnit: maxalt: words


Dude, you really need to be more subtle if you're gonna make a run at this trolling business.


Except those of us who are successful don't to troll, we say what we know to be true.
 
2013-04-08 06:28:14 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: The ingenious Pocket Ninja and my favorite troll Mike_LowELL are the only people I have favorited right now.  But keep it up, maxalt, and you can join the list.  I particularly like haw tenpoundsofcheese is taking your posts seriously.


But I am as serious as a coronary.
 
2013-04-08 06:31:54 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Wow. Your favorites list looks a lot like my ignore list. Except for PN of course.


C'mon, Mike_LowELL is a wonderful troll.  He makes me laugh a lot, though he can be hit and miss at times.  He and PN are the only ones on there right now.  maxalt makes me laugh sometimes, too.  Especially when someone like tenpoundsofcheese jumps in and agrees because he thinks he finally found someone of like mind.  Brilliant.  I keep meaning to put alywa on there, but keep forgetting.
 
2013-04-08 06:32:39 PM  

maxalt: tenpoundsofcheese: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

He didn't build that success.
If someone didn't build the car, he would have froze
And if someone didn't build the roads, no one would have built the car.
On the flip side, if there weren't that many cars, there would be no global warming  eh cooling  eh climate change and Michigan would be a lot warmer so he wouldn't need a car to begin with.

Now THAT is how you insult someone, I give you a +5 on the scale of -5 to +5 you even brought the King of DC into the picture, and you did not attack me mindlessly. Well done well done! By the by Michigan has been warming for 10,000 years. 10,000 years ago it was covered in miles thick ice. Back in the 1960"s the teachers taught us we were all going to freeze in a 100 years or so, scared the mulch out of us 3 graders, just as glob ...


sorry if you felt insulted.  that wasn't the intent.
I was mocking the "you didn't build that" and I thought my comments about the cars and roads were over the top enough that you wouldn't take it seriously.
 
2013-04-08 06:54:30 PM  
Jesus Christ, I just lost about 10 IQ points reading this thread.
 
2013-04-08 06:55:58 PM  

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


What are public abuse buildings?
 
2013-04-08 06:56:31 PM  
They don't until the real rich people that live on the mountains above the village tell the villagers to send their sons (and now daughters) off to die somewhere over there yonder.
 
2013-04-08 06:58:39 PM  

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


If it wasn't for liberal do-gooders, child abuse would not be illegal.
 
2013-04-08 06:59:13 PM  

gilgigamesh: Jesus Christ, I just lost about 10 IQ points reading this thread.


I think putting "MSNBC" in the headline is like ringing the troll dinner bell.
 
2013-04-08 07:04:29 PM  
isn't this the site that said "fark your reality I want to live in mine go away libs" if so then this is truly the greatest site on the internet and you libs should all bookmark it and visit it daily so you can be re-educated into being intelligent
 
2013-04-08 07:04:41 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Type_Hard: Didn't this same reaction happen after Hillary published "It Takes a Village"?

Yeah, pretty much. Most homeschoolers / religious nutjobs are horrified at the thought of someone teaching their kids something that they don't approve of.


Social conservatism is the fear that someone, somewhere, is teaching your children to be smarter than you.
 
2013-04-08 07:05:00 PM  

gilgigamesh: Jesus Christ, I just lost about 10 IQ points reading this thread.


The good news is you can get those points back by watching Southpark.
 
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2013-04-08 07:06:18 PM  

gilgigamesh: Jesus Christ, I just lost about 10 IQ points reading this thread.

 
2013-04-08 07:07:29 PM  
Maybe 15-20 years ago this could be true.

Now, however, there are too many whack jobs who believe that spanking your child, leaving them outside unattended for an hour in your back yard, or letting them play dodge ball is poor parenting/child rearing.

Unfortunately, you can't trust your kid in the hands of the general public anymore without legal issues.
 
2013-04-08 07:08:06 PM  
So...if the Government owns all the children......then let them birth the child as well....and save women the agony
 
2013-04-08 07:08:30 PM  
See, if you think it's bad reading it on the blog here, you should try listening to him do it on the radio show.  Which he was just doing about 10-20 minutes ago (just got home) on my ride home.

Plays clip of her making a generic feel-good statement about how communities need to care more about each other kids.  Which makes sense, based on sociology and criminology, because the kids your neighbors raise become the adults your kids will have to deal with.  So you're helping your kids by making sure that everyone around you is getting the best education and that your neighbor has someone who'll stop his kid from getting into trouble and such.

Right after the clip, within seconds, he's going on about how she "REALLY" means that she wants your kids to be federal government property.  He'd been selling it for about an hour as "MHP supports bringing back slavery" and such.  And now he was taking her rather bland statement and turning it into "DER DAMN GUBMINT GON TAKE YER KIDZ."  So glad I got home shortly after, or I might've gone into a coma from the pure rays of stupidity coming out of the radio.
 
2013-04-08 07:09:26 PM  
Why not just outsource child-rearing to Bangladesh?
 
2013-04-08 07:12:06 PM  
She's full of shiat in a more general way, rather than something deep and philosophical. Her message implies communities as a whole have not stepped up to support education for children who are not their own. Not true. Communities pass levies and bonds of all sorts. If it were only the parents voting yes on these measures none would pass.

Mostly, people recognize the need for education funding from the local level and vote accordingly. There might be some exceptions but it is not the blind spot in the American conscience she seems to be indicating, and never was.

To the other side of the argument, I don't want my stamp on that train wreck of a child you're raising. Give the little demon another trophy, medal or ribbon somewhere else. Off my lawn.
 
2013-04-08 07:15:05 PM  
This is an outrage, time for another rally!

www.charlock.org
 
2013-04-08 07:15:15 PM  
Erik Erikson the man who makes Rush appear fair and balanced.
 
2013-04-08 07:17:44 PM  

falcon176: isn't this the site that said "fark your reality I want to live in mine go away libs" if so then this is truly the greatest site on the internet and you libs should all bookmark it and visit it daily so you can be re-educated into being intelligent


You are adorable. How you escaped my attention all these years is truly a mystery.
 
2013-04-08 07:20:40 PM  
I am so tired of the right making false dichotomy arguments.

If you think the world only has two options of extremes, you are an idiot.
 
2013-04-08 07:22:39 PM  

Tom_Slick: Erick Erikson the man who makes Rush appear fair and balanced.


And exponentially less creepy.  I always have the sneaking suspicion that Erikson has a rape dungeon in his basement.
Either that or he's actually Harold from The Stand.
 
2013-04-08 07:28:39 PM  
If the writer had watched her show instead of a promo he probably could have found something real to be pissy about.
 
2013-04-08 07:34:53 PM  

kukukupo: Now, however, there are too many whack jobs who believe that spanking your child, leaving them outside unattended for an hour in your back yard, or letting them play dodge ball is poor parenting/child rearing.


Why does it make you a "whack job" to think that physically striking someone is a bad thing to do?
 
2013-04-08 07:36:42 PM  
So how do they feel about draft cards?
 
2013-04-08 07:37:02 PM  
Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.
 
2013-04-08 07:42:17 PM  

indylaw: Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.


No one is suggesting otherwise.

MHP was making an obvious reference to the idea that a solid public education system is essential to a functioning progressive modern society.

For some reason, this fairly innocuous idea causes epic frothing from our friends on the right.
 
2013-04-08 07:42:32 PM  
When I read threads like this one on Fark I can't help but wonder what meetings at work would be like if everyone was as free to express the moronic ignorance.
 
2013-04-08 07:42:43 PM  
I can't tell if  maxalt is genuine or not.  For one his handle frickin' maxALT, but that could all be part of his Poe's Law attempt at confusing people.
 
2013-04-08 07:43:48 PM  
So kiddo, you think you own that business you started, that little lemonade stand on the corner?

Scratch that...you think you own that body you occupy right now? Oh really?

Sure, you made it from scratch, but someone else had to help you out to get it started.
And who grew the food you ate all your life? Who regulated the food producers, to ensure it was safe and nutritious?
Who built and regulated the roads, so that food could get to market, and land on your dinner table?
And who took care of that body you when it got sick? Who regulated the healthcare industry, and subsidized student loans so that doctors could get trained?
Who defended your body from physical harm, when imaginary brown people, pissed-off by years of US foreign policy, came to blow it up?
And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so you know the score, you own nothing, not even yourself. "We" own everything.

AND WE OWN YOUR ASS.
 
2013-04-08 07:44:13 PM  

Corvus: I am so tired of the right making false dichotomy arguments.

If you think the world only has two options of extremes, you are an idiot.


So it's only the right that makes false dichotomy arguments?
 
2013-04-08 07:44:15 PM  

Tom_Slick: Erik Erikson the man who makes Rush appear fair and balanced.


Eh, listening to him is weird.  Because sometimes he has these flashes of reality and he'll attack Republican derp very strongly.  And then the next day it's back to "herp the derp herp derp herp".
 
2013-04-08 07:45:48 PM  

Tom_Slick: Erik Erikson the man who makes Rush appear fair and balanced.


I dunno. I'll bet he's pretty balanced. At least when he's sitting down. All that fat probably falls to the bottom and creates a sturdy base. He's like a huge weeble stuffed with hate and oreo cream pies.

And he's white as a damn ghost.
 
2013-04-08 07:46:13 PM  
Anyone saying something like that is NOT a mother...PERIOD!

Also:  "MSNBC:  We are the Borg.  Resistance is futile.  You now belong to us."
 
2013-04-08 07:47:24 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: If the writer had watched her show instead of a promo he probably could have found something real to be pissy about.


The writer is Erick Erickson, the guy is off the derp deep end, he actually thinks that gay marriage will lead to more people on welfare  and higher taxes.  Seriously this guy makes Rush look liberal and Hannity seem sane.
 
2013-04-08 07:49:15 PM  

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


^^^AMEN!
 
2013-04-08 07:51:25 PM  
The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.
 
2013-04-08 07:52:02 PM  

maxalt: My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


The same ones that were part of the teachers union that admitted they were socialists or was it that they admitted they were communist?

/Hey, this thread is already derailed anyways, why not join in the destruction?
 
2013-04-08 07:52:42 PM  

maxalt: And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


You don't love them anymore?
Then why do you miss them?
 
2013-04-08 07:53:00 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: I can't tell if  maxalt is genuine or not.  For one his handle frickin' maxALT, but that could all be part of his Poe's Law attempt at confusing people.


Maxalt is also the brand name of a drug used to treat migraines.

/Take from that what you will
 
2013-04-08 07:53:39 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.


This post lacks effort.
 
2013-04-08 07:57:12 PM  

fusillade762: falcon176: isn't this the site that said "fark your reality I want to live in mine go away libs" if so then this is truly the greatest site on the internet and you libs should all bookmark it and visit it daily so you can be re-educated into being intelligent

You are adorable. How you escaped my attention all these years is truly a mystery.


i don't think "you are adorable" is the thing thoughtless people say to their deities anymore, check quickmeme and reddit for the update to your wit, or lack thereof
 
2013-04-08 07:59:58 PM  

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.

This post lacks effort.


Yes, what you posted did lack effort.  How self-aware you are.  Next time it is easier if you just don't post if you already understand that you post lacks effort.
 
2013-04-08 08:00:06 PM  

Lawyers With Nukes: So kiddo, you think you own that business you started, that little lemonade stand on the corner?

Scratch that...you think you own that body you occupy right now? Oh really?

Sure, you made it from scratch, but someone else had to help you out to get it started.
And who grew the food you ate all your life? Who regulated the food producers, to ensure it was safe and nutritious?
Who built and regulated the roads, so that food could get to market, and land on your dinner table?
And who took care of that body you when it got sick? Who regulated the healthcare industry, and subsidized student loans so that doctors could get trained?
Who defended your body from physical harm, when imaginary brown people, pissed-off by years of US foreign policy, came to blow it up?
And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so you know the score, you own nothing, not even yourself. "We" own everything.

AND WE OWN YOUR ASS.


Yep, that sounds about right for liberals.
 
2013-04-08 08:03:09 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.

This post lacks effort.

Yes, what you posted did lack effort.  How self-aware you are.  Next time it is easier if you just don't post if you already understand that you post lacks effort.


You call that an insult?
 
2013-04-08 08:04:35 PM  

glassa: Lawyers With Nukes: So kiddo, you think you own that business you started, that little lemonade stand on the corner?

Scratch that...you think you own that body you occupy right now? Oh really?

Sure, you made it from scratch, but someone else had to help you out to get it started.
And who grew the food you ate all your life? Who regulated the food producers, to ensure it was safe and nutritious?
Who built and regulated the roads, so that food could get to market, and land on your dinner table?
And who took care of that body you when it got sick? Who regulated the healthcare industry, and subsidized student loans so that doctors could get trained?
Who defended your body from physical harm, when imaginary brown people, pissed-off by years of US foreign policy, came to blow it up?
And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so you know the score, you own nothing, not even yourself. "We" own everything.

AND WE OWN YOUR ASS.

Yep, that sounds about right for liberals.


You guys realize that no man is an island right?

I think that was the point it was trying to make. But of course the people at Redstate aren't known for intelligence and can't pick up on things like that.
 
2013-04-08 08:04:43 PM  

maxalt: Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government



I give up, what's the theme? 80s sitcoms? Arnold Schwarzenegger movies?
 
2013-04-08 08:04:51 PM  

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.
 
2013-04-08 08:05:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.

This post lacks effort.

Yes, what you posted did lack effort.  How self-aware you are.  Next time it is easier if you just don't post if you already understand that you post lacks effort.

You call that an insult?


I'm not sure if he's overworked or drinking more, or both, but I'm genuinely starting to worry about him.
 
2013-04-08 08:06:01 PM  
We're all in this together alone.
 
2013-04-08 08:06:14 PM  
I think the problem arose from her use of the phrase "belong to."
 
2013-04-08 08:07:13 PM  

glassa: Lawyers With Nukes: So kiddo, you think you own that business you started, that little lemonade stand on the corner?

Scratch that...you think you own that body you occupy right now? Oh really?

Sure, you made it from scratch, but someone else had to help you out to get it started.
And who grew the food you ate all your life? Who regulated the food producers, to ensure it was safe and nutritious?
Who built and regulated the roads, so that food could get to market, and land on your dinner table?
And who took care of that body you when it got sick? Who regulated the healthcare industry, and subsidized student loans so that doctors could get trained?
Who defended your body from physical harm, when imaginary brown people, pissed-off by years of US foreign policy, came to blow it up?
And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so you know the score, you own nothing, not even yourself. "We" own everything.

AND WE OWN YOUR ASS.

Yep, that sounds about right for liberals.


What the hell is with the Derp Squadron lately?  We expect lame, but this is an insult to lame.  If you guys aren't feeling up to it, maybe you should take a break and recharge those batteries.
 
2013-04-08 08:07:28 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Corvus: I am so tired of the right making false dichotomy arguments.

If you think the world only has two options of extremes, you are an idiot.

So it's only the right that makes false dichotomy arguments?


They're certainly less tolerant of ambiguity than the left is. It's one of their defining features.
 
2013-04-08 08:07:34 PM  

gilgigamesh: Jesus Christ, I just lost about 10 IQ points reading this thread.


It was for your own good. Stop over thinking things.
 
2013-04-08 08:08:36 PM  
So is there an intelligent argument on why I should be outraged about this?
 
2013-04-08 08:08:37 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: What the hell is with the Derp Squadron lately?  We expect lame, but this is an insult to lame.  If you guys aren't feeling up to it, maybe you should take a break and recharge those batteries.


I feel ya. This sh*t is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off the rails.
 
2013-04-08 08:09:12 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: glassa: Lawyers With Nukes: So kiddo, you think you own that business you started, that little lemonade stand on the corner?

Scratch that...you think you own that body you occupy right now? Oh really?

Sure, you made it from scratch, but someone else had to help you out to get it started.
And who grew the food you ate all your life? Who regulated the food producers, to ensure it was safe and nutritious?
Who built and regulated the roads, so that food could get to market, and land on your dinner table?
And who took care of that body you when it got sick? Who regulated the healthcare industry, and subsidized student loans so that doctors could get trained?
Who defended your body from physical harm, when imaginary brown people, pissed-off by years of US foreign policy, came to blow it up?
And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so you know the score, you own nothing, not even yourself. "We" own everything.

AND WE OWN YOUR ASS.

Yep, that sounds about right for liberals.

What the hell is with the Derp Squadron lately?  We expect lame, but this is an insult to lame.  If you guys aren't feeling up to it, maybe you should take a break and recharge those batteries.


Still hungover from NOLA I suppose.
 
2013-04-08 08:10:14 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Almost Everybody Poops: I can't tell if  maxalt is genuine or not.  For one his handle frickin' maxALT, but that could all be part of his Poe's Law attempt at confusing people.

Maxalt is also the brand name of a drug used to treat migraines.

/Take from that what you will


That is hysterically ironic.
 
2013-04-08 08:10:21 PM  

Lawyers With Nukes: So kiddo, you think you own that business you started, that little lemonade stand on the corner?

Scratch that...you think you own that body you occupy right now? Oh really?

Sure, you made it from scratch, but someone else had to help you out to get it started.
And who grew the food you ate all your life? Who regulated the food producers, to ensure it was safe and nutritious?
Who built and regulated the roads, so that food could get to market, and land on your dinner table?
And who took care of that body you when it got sick? Who regulated the healthcare industry, and subsidized student loans so that doctors could get trained?
Who defended your body from physical harm, when imaginary brown people, pissed-off by years of US foreign policy, came to blow it up?
And so on, and so on, and so on.

Just so you know the score, you own nothing, not even yourself. "We" own everything.

AND WE OWN YOUR ASS.


Lemonade stands are illegal, along with any other financial transaction.

You have to pay for the privilege.
 
2013-04-08 08:11:11 PM  

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.

This post lacks effort.

Yes, what you posted did lack effort.  How self-aware you are.  Next time it is easier if you just don't post if you already understand that you post lacks effort.

You call that an insult?


No not at all.
I am just pointing out that I agree with you.
You said  "This post lacks effort".
I agree that you the post you created lacked effort.

Why would you view that as an insult?
 
2013-04-08 08:12:08 PM  
Is this what the decline of Rome was like?
 
2013-04-08 08:12:39 PM  
woops, an extra "you" in the second to the last sentence.
 
2013-04-08 08:13:05 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: The obvious problem is that since the government wants to take your guns as well as your kids they have NOT specified how they will make sure that the kids are not going to be playing with the guns.

Unless of course the government really doesn't care if they do...probably because they are buying up all the ammo.

This post lacks effort.

Yes, what you posted did lack effort.  How self-aware you are.  Next time it is easier if you just don't post if you already understand that you post lacks effort.

You call that an insult?

No not at all.
I am just pointing out that I agree with you.
You said  "This post lacks effort".
I agree that you the post you created lacked effort.

Why would you view that as an insult?


These posts are pretty weak.

I'm with the other guys, the posts today are weak sauce.
 
2013-04-08 08:13:47 PM  
fark you, i dont want any part of your shiatty children.
 
2013-04-08 08:13:53 PM  

glassa: Anyone saying something like that is NOT a mother...PERIOD!


So the fact that she has a daughter means...what, exactly?
 
2013-04-08 08:15:36 PM  

Cheesus: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.


THIS.

Parental involvement in their childrens' school and education is a huge factor.  I went to public school from K-12 and I turned out fine (works in IT).  There seems to be some irrational fear from the right that public schools "indoctrinate" children to be leftists.  The only conceivable "indoctrination" I had was a brief sex-ed lesson in eighth grade (which involved our female teacher putting a condom on her arm, lol).  That was it, everything else was just regular math, literature, science, and PE.

However, they did teach us to be tolerant of others views, so that's what they might be afraid of.
 
2013-04-08 08:16:07 PM  

Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?


So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.
 
2013-04-08 08:16:56 PM  

DamnYankees: glassa: Anyone saying something like that is NOT a mother...PERIOD!

So the fact that she has a daughter means...what, exactly?


She has a daughter? I don't think so. We have a daughter.
 
2013-04-08 08:18:45 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: Cheesus: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.

THIS.

Parental involvement in their childrens' school and education is a huge factor.  I went to public school from K-12 and I turned o ...


To be fair, I went to a public school too. And since I don't believe the bullshiat that sites like Redstate publish, that means I'm indoctrinated in their eyes.
 
2013-04-08 08:18:49 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.


Huh? That doesn't follow.
 
2013-04-08 08:22:12 PM  

maxalt: By heart felt beliefs are not of anyone's concern


3/10.

Too obvious a followup.
 
2013-04-08 08:22:53 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.


If you believe one Christian doctrine you should believe them all. I guess.
 
2013-04-08 08:24:10 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.


Don't you see how social responsibility is exactly the same as the origin of life??
 
2013-04-08 08:26:08 PM  
Old concepts are so exciting, subby, wouldn't you agree?
 
2013-04-08 08:26:53 PM  
Someone should have written a script instead of editing that woman's brain farts.

"...we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities" is guaranteed to get parents' backs up.  "Belong to" evokes property rights, and no possession is more precious than one's children.

Kids are part of all those social units.  To the extent that each unit benefits from that part's proper functioning, it has a self-interest motivation to care for that part.

To call this self-interest a "responsibility" is to say, "If you don't take care of kids then you're bad."  People who do not see any significant benefit will take issue with such a statement.  If they do see the benefit, they don't need to hear your argument.

Very flawed message.  The rest of the commercial was OK, but this is going to overshadow the good parts.
 
2013-04-08 08:27:08 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.


It is the beginning of the quote and the context from Donne about no man is an island.
 
2013-04-08 08:27:42 PM  

jigger: DamnYankees: glassa: Anyone saying something like that is NOT a mother...PERIOD!

So the fact that she has a daughter means...what, exactly?

She has a daughter? I don't think so. We have a daughter.


Oh goodie.
 
2013-04-08 08:29:26 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.

It is the beginning of the quote and the context from Donne about no man is an island.


Oh, I didn't realize you had to believe one to believe the other. Why is that? Why can you not believe that community and social interaction are important without believing in a single creator of life?
 
2013-04-08 08:35:23 PM  
good, I always wanted a little negro kid to call my own.
 
2013-04-08 08:35:25 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Someone should have written a script instead of editing that woman's brain farts.

"...we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities" is guaranteed to get parents' backs up.  "Belong to" evokes property rights, and no possession is more precious than one's children.


I am too lazy to find the cartoon, but there is a great one about education now vs. the 70's in the 70's the parent yells at the kid "why aren't you doing better in school" and in the today picture, the parent is yelling at the teacher "why aren't you helping my kid"

this "belongs to" the community mentality is really just an abdication of responsibility. Parents expect someone else to motivate their kids to do well in school, "fix" them when they aren't and give them a participation trophy for trying.
 
2013-04-08 08:37:41 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.

It is the beginning of the quote and the context from Donne about no man is an island.

Oh, I didn't realize you had to believe one to believe the other. Why is that? Why can you not believe that community and social interaction are important without believing in a single creator of life?


He's making fun of you for quoting things without actually knowing what you're quoting, not making a philosophical point, I think.
 
2013-04-08 08:37:43 PM  
I don't know how anyone sane can stay politically involved in the USA. The political landscape is just a tardstorm.
 
2013-04-08 08:38:24 PM  

Jim_Callahan: He's making fun of you for quoting things without actually knowing what you're quoting, not making a philosophical point, I think.


I didn't quote it.
 
2013-04-08 08:39:07 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.

It is the beginning of the quote and the context from Donne about no man is an island.

Oh, I didn't realize you had to believe one to believe the other. Why is that? Why can you not believe that community and social interaction are important without believing in a single creator of life?


you can believe what you want.
but if you are going to quote someone as your argument, you should understand the context of why no person is an island.  Of course, you can make up your own reasons for believing it.
 
2013-04-08 08:41:01 PM  

Whistling Kitty Chaser: tenpoundsofcheese: He didn't build that success.

Isn't that an Obama quote that a bunch of people got upset about a few months back?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng
 
2013-04-08 08:41:48 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: BarkingUnicorn: Someone should have written a script instead of editing that woman's brain farts.

"...we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities" is guaranteed to get parents' backs up.  "Belong to" evokes property rights, and no possession is more precious than one's children.

I am too lazy to find the cartoon, but there is a great one about education now vs. the 70's in the 70's the parent yells at the kid "why aren't you doing better in school" and in the today picture, the parent is yelling at the teacher "why aren't you helping my kid"

this "belongs to" the community mentality is really just an abdication of responsibility. Parents expect someone else to motivate their kids to do well in school, "fix" them when they aren't and give them a participation trophy for trying.


Dr. Benjamin Rush, signatory to the Declaration of Independence and a great advocate of public schools:

"Let our pupil be taught that he does not belong to himself, but that he is public property. Let him be taught to love his family, but let him be taught at the same time that he must forsake and even forget them when the welfare of his country requires it."
 
2013-04-08 08:42:02 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: but if you are going to quote someone as your argument, you should understand the context of why no person is an island.


Why? Why can't one say "no person is an island" and not the rest of it? It doesn't matter what the rest of it is. If you don't say it then ipso facto it's not part of the conversation.
 
2013-04-08 08:42:29 PM  
pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/
 
2013-04-08 08:42:42 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: You guys realize that no man is an island right?

So you agree with the Christian belief that "All mankind is of one author".  Interesting.

Huh? That doesn't follow.

It is the beginning of the quote and the context from Donne about no man is an island.

Oh, I didn't realize you had to believe one to believe the other. Why is that? Why can you not believe that community and social interaction are important without believing in a single creator of life?

you can believe what you want.
but if you are going to quote someone as your argument, you should understand the context of why no person is an island.  Of course, you can make up your own reasons for believing it.


I'm a Christian...Catholic actually...so what was your point again?
 
2013-04-08 08:43:07 PM  

skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/


and title of TFA it would seem...

/observant
 
2013-04-08 08:43:33 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: BarkingUnicorn: Someone should have written a script instead of editing that woman's brain farts.

"...we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities" is guaranteed to get parents' backs up.  "Belong to" evokes property rights, and no possession is more precious than one's children.

I am too lazy to find the cartoon, but there is a great one about education now vs. the 70's in the 70's the parent yells at the kid "why aren't you doing better in school" and in the today picture, the parent is yelling at the teacher "why aren't you helping my kid"

this "belongs to" the community mentality is really just an abdication of responsibility. Parents expect someone else to motivate their kids to do well in school, "fix" them when they aren't and give them a participation trophy for trying.


I'm sure what you said is true for some parents out there, but for most of us liberals it's the idea that kids deserve a chance to be the best they can be even if they have shiatty parents.
 
2013-04-08 08:46:45 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: but if you are going to quote someone as your argument, you should understand the context of why no person is an island.

Why? Why can't one say "no person is an island" and not the rest of it? It doesn't matter what the rest of it is. If you don't say it then ipso facto it's not part of the conversation.


"You didn't build that".
 
2013-04-08 08:46:56 PM  
When he's an infant with a 104 fever and ass canon full of liquishiatTM,, he's mine.  When he's an adolescent and some girl or coach cuts him, he's mine.  When he's driving and you realize the curfew is so Mom and Dad can stop worrying and go to sleep, he's mine.  And everything else great and terrible in between.

My Dad is 79 as assures me that we never stop worrying about them.

Go have your own and get back to us in 20 years Melissa.  Kid.
 
2013-04-08 08:48:46 PM  

cchris_39: When he's an infant with a 104 fever and ass canon full of liquishiatTM,, he's mine.  When he's an adolescent and some girl or coach cuts him, he's mine.  When he's driving and you realize the curfew is so Mom and Dad can stop worrying and go to sleep, he's mine.  And everything else great and terrible in between.

My Dad is 79 as assures me that we never stop worrying about them.

Go have your own and get back to us in 20 years Melissa.  Kid.


I believe she has children.  And I bet she takes care of them when their sick, too.
 
2013-04-08 08:50:01 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: cchris_39: When he's an infant with a 104 fever and ass canon full of liquishiatTM,, he's mine.  When he's an adolescent and some girl or coach cuts him, he's mine.  When he's driving and you realize the curfew is so Mom and Dad can stop worrying and go to sleep, he's mine.  And everything else great and terrible in between.

My Dad is 79 as assures me that we never stop worrying about them.

Go have your own and get back to us in 20 years Melissa.  Kid.

I believe she has children.  And I bet she takes care of them when their sick, too.


Yes, but she's a terrible mother for not realizing that every man actually is an island.

/I'm a Christian so I can use this quote without any guilt :P
 
2013-04-08 08:50:35 PM  

skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/


Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!
 
2013-04-08 08:51:49 PM  

Friskya: Dinki: So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents Community chooses to abuse, neglect, or starve their children instill a proper respect for themselves and others in society, it's all good, right?
/it takes a village


What's funny about the "it takes a village to raise a child" proverb is that it comes from Africa, the land of high infant mortality.
 
2013-04-08 08:52:23 PM  

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!


it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)
 
2013-04-08 08:52:55 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: but if you are going to quote someone as your argument, you should understand the context of why no person is an island.

Why? Why can't one say "no person is an island" and not the rest of it? It doesn't matter what the rest of it is. If you don't say it then ipso facto it's not part of the conversation.

"You didn't build that".


That's not the same thing. That's half a sentence. "No man is an island." is a complete thought the way he put it.
 
2013-04-08 08:53:36 PM  

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)


THE COUNT OF JOKERY HAS RULED!
 
2013-04-08 08:54:33 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

THE COUNT OF JOKERY HAS RULED!


another thread, another chance to embarrass yourself?
 
2013-04-08 08:54:36 PM  
If kids belong to the community then I'm going beat the shiat out of your spoiled brat for misbehaving.
 
2013-04-08 08:54:57 PM  
Remember, just yesterday, the ole Count just said that Who's on First is not funny anymore because it's been told over and over again.
 
2013-04-08 08:55:46 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

THE COUNT OF JOKERY HAS RULED!

another thread, another chance to embarrass yourself?


I'm sorry, first you'll have to tell me if you're amused or if you find it funny, since they're clearly two different things and not synonyms.
 
2013-04-08 08:56:18 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Remember, just yesterday, the ole Count just said that Who's on First is not funny anymore because it's been told over and over again.


nah you missed the point on that one. As you miss the point on everything. Tell me, have you figured out how you can be amused by something without finding it funny or are you still pretending not to speak English?
 
2013-04-08 08:57:01 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

THE COUNT OF JOKERY HAS RULED!

another thread, another chance to embarrass yourself?

I'm sorry, first you'll have to tell me if you're amused or if you find it funny, since they're clearly two different things and not synonyms.


wow... dude, that thread is dead.  You left as you should have. Why would you do this to yourself again?
 
2013-04-08 08:57:03 PM  

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)


It doesn't get mentioned anymore because it was beaten into the ground years ago. Now go post that Rick Astley guy. He's a riot!
 
2013-04-08 08:57:24 PM  

skullkrusher: Tell me, have you figured out how you can be amused by something without finding it funny or are you still pretending not to speak English?


I'm not the one who doesn't understand the definiton of "synonym," here, nor the definitions of "amused" and "funny"
 
2013-04-08 08:57:33 PM  
Oh they are yours alright, for every dollar they (kids and what the Government causes) suck from you, you should have the right to terminate them before they are twenty-one. And the community can help buy supplying a bullet, or injection and holding him down.

You know, for those really bad kids that terrorize the community.
I betcha the youth crime rates would go way down.
 
2013-04-08 08:57:45 PM  

Majick Thise: Can I sue my community for child support?


Depends on how slutty your wife was.
 
2013-04-08 08:57:59 PM  

skullkrusher: wow... dude, that thread is dead.  You left as you should have. Why would you do this to yourself again?


Because you're brittle and so much fun to rile up, oh Count.
 
2013-04-08 08:58:19 PM  
Also I see Red State missed the point by light years. Huzzah!
 
2013-04-08 08:58:33 PM  

Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

It doesn't get mentioned anymore because it was beaten into the ground years ago. Now go post that Rick Astley guy. He's a riot!


actually, getting randomly Rick Rolled is funny again
 
2013-04-08 08:58:59 PM  

lasercannon: Majick Thise: Can I sue my community for child support?

Depends on how slutty your wife was.


I'm sure  skullkrusher will be along to issue his humor ratingTM but I think that's both amusing AND funny. Because, you see, they're two different things!
 
2013-04-08 08:59:13 PM  
Is this the thread where everyone just says the same shiat over and over again without actually analyzing what the subject is like every other fark political thread?

The commercial is the trolliest piece of trolling I've seen in a long time.
 
2013-04-08 08:59:37 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: wow... dude, that thread is dead.  You left as you should have. Why would you do this to yourself again?

Because you're brittle and so much fun to rile up, oh Count.


You don't actually believe that's what you were doing. I don't actually believe that is what you're doing. Why just not be a fool in the first place, Cam? They you won't have to pretend lol trollololol
 
2013-04-08 08:59:53 PM  

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

It doesn't get mentioned anymore because it was beaten into the ground years ago. Now go post that Rick Astley guy. He's a riot!

actually, getting randomly Rick Rolled is funny again


THE COUNT HAS SPOKEN! LET NO MAN SAY THAT RICKROLLING IS UNAMUSING OR UNFUNNY HENCEFORTH!
 
2013-04-08 09:00:32 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: wow... dude, that thread is dead.  You left as you should have. Why would you do this to yourself again?

Because you're brittle and so much fun to rile up, oh Count.

You don't actually believe that's what you were doing. I don't actually believe that is what you're doing. Why just not be a fool in the first place, Cam? They you won't have to pretend lol trollololol


Who said I was trolling? Certainly not me. You are aware that you can rile someone up whilst also not trolling, right?
 
2013-04-08 09:00:39 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: lasercannon: Majick Thise: Can I sue my community for child support?

Depends on how slutty your wife was.

I'm sure  skullkrusher will be along to issue his humor ratingTM but I think that's both amusing AND funny. Because, you see, they're two different things!


that was actually pretty witty. Take some notes, Cam.
You don't look like you want to pretend you do.
 
2013-04-08 09:00:45 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: maxalt: And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

You don't love them anymore?
Then why do you miss them?


la la la I can't hear you, I speak in the past because they are in the past.
 
2013-04-08 09:01:10 PM  
God, I need to lay off the caffeine.
 
2013-04-08 09:01:15 PM  
So, now Conservatives are okay with crack mother's having and raising babies?  With drug addicts selling their children to the nearest sex fiend, just for a few minutes?  With parents beating their kids into mental disability for spilling the cereal?

No, of course they are not.  So pretending that there is some fundamental difference in how liberals and conservatives see the role of the state in ensuring the education and healthy upbringing of children, and implying that liberals are out of touch and looking to create government overreach is imbecilic.  But, judging by this thread, the trolls are eating it up.  What a farce.
 
2013-04-08 09:01:31 PM  
I think I'm just gonna let you post, Cam. I can't possibly shame you more than you can shame you.
 
2013-04-08 09:01:37 PM  

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

It doesn't get mentioned anymore because it was beaten into the ground years ago. Now go post that Rick Astley guy. He's a riot!

actually, getting randomly Rick Rolled is funny again


You have to be the most laid back conservative I've ever seen.

And that's a good thing.
 
2013-04-08 09:01:39 PM  

skylabdown: Is this the thread where everyone just says the same shiat over and over again without actually analyzing what the subject is like every other fark political thread?

The commercial is the trolliest piece of trolling I've seen in a long time.


Analyzing the subject is going to make this article sound more intelligent?
 
2013-04-08 09:01:42 PM  
static01.mediaite.com
 
2013-04-08 09:01:53 PM  

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: lasercannon: Majick Thise: Can I sue my community for child support?

Depends on how slutty your wife was.

I'm sure  skullkrusher will be along to issue his humor ratingTM but I think that's both amusing AND funny. Because, you see, they're two different things!

that was actually pretty witty. Take some notes, Cam.
You don't look like you want to pretend you do.


Called it! Now, is it amusing or funny?
 
2013-04-08 09:02:28 PM  

skullkrusher: I think I'm just gonna let you post, Cam. I can't possibly shame you more than you can shame you.


To shame me first of all I'd have to be wrong. See ya!
 
2013-04-08 09:02:53 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: maxalt: tenpoundsofcheese: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

He didn't build that success.
If someone didn't build the car, he would have froze
And if someone didn't build the roads, no one would have built the car.
On the flip side, if there weren't that many cars, there would be no global warming  eh cooling  eh climate change and Michigan would be a lot warmer so he wouldn't need a car to begin with.

Now THAT is how you insult someone, I give you a +5 on the scale of -5 to +5 you even brought the King of DC into the picture, and you did not attack me mindlessly. Well done well done! By the by Michigan has been warming for 10,000 years. 10,000 years ago it was covered in miles thick ice. Back in the 1960"s the teachers taught us we were all going to freeze in a 100 years or so, scared the mulch out of us 3 graders, just ...


I don't take it seriously but saying you didn't build that is funny maybe insult is too strong a word, how about pulling my chain?
 
2013-04-08 09:03:08 PM  

cman: Diogenes: Republicans and/or conservatives were people who supported communalism for much of our history.  It's amazing how reviled the very idea has become.  It was during Reagan's days that they started to demonize it at every level.

And Democrats were the ones who defended slavery

People change. Idea's change. The political world we live in is much different than those days.


History hurts. Go read a book  and learn that Dems were rightwing and retardicans were left wing(Lincoln) and they swapped wings since then.

Now the retardicans are teetering off of the flat Earth and the ropes tied around the necks of the Dems are about to break.

/the Pedo Priests like your kids too much in the religious commune
 
2013-04-08 09:03:21 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: pretty sure that isn't what she meant, RedState but funny URL

http://www.redstate.com/2013/04/08/all-your-kids-are-belong-to-us/

Ancient memes are hilarious! Do a barrel roll!

it's not the meme that's funny. It's the reference of something that doesn't get mentioned anymore and that hasn't been beaten to death incessantly every day for the past 2 or 3 years. I understand you'd be unfamiliar with the concept ;)

It doesn't get mentioned anymore because it was beaten into the ground years ago. Now go post that Rick Astley guy. He's a riot!

actually, getting randomly Rick Rolled is funny again

You have to be the most laid back conservative I've ever seen.

And that's a good thing.


thank you, sir/madam
 
2013-04-08 09:04:24 PM  
skylabdown:

The commercial is the trolliest piece of trolling I've seen in a long time.

If so, it's a really foolish bit of trolling.  Gonna backfire hard.

"First Obama's comin' for our guns, now he's comin' for our KIDS!  Git the GUNS!"

That actually happened in 1852 when Massachusetts imposed compulsory education.  The militia was called out to one town to hold parents at gunpoint while their kids were marched off to school.  Elsewhere, a newly-built public schoolhouse was burnt down - with the schoolmaster in it.
 
2013-04-08 09:04:38 PM  

Cletus C.: Her message implies communities as a whole have not stepped up to support education for children who are not their own. Not true. Communities pass levies and bonds of all sorts. If it were only the parents voting yes on these measures none would pass.


I don't think her argument is that the community has done nothing to support children, I'm pretty sure it's that the community hasn't done enough. I know it's a lot to ask, but if you could just read the first line quoted in the article you'll see it contains the phrase "as much ... as we should".

And it's hard to argue that she's wrong, at least in certain contexts. How often do parents work to provide educational opportunities for children they didn't spawn? How often do non-parents work to provide educational opportunities for anyone at all? Have we designed the school day around the demands of effective education, or around the convenience of workday childcare? Etc., etc., etc.

Or in more general terms, what are we doing to end the 1500+ deaths every year attributed to mistreatment of children by their caretakers? Our society makes children -- particularly children below school age -- the almost exclusive responsibility of 1 or 2 adults, which is a terrible thing to do to both our children and their caretakers. We should work to ensure that every child gets a fair shake at life, regardless of their lineage, and that caretakers are supported in role of raising the next generation. That cannot happen so long as children are considered an extension of their parents, rather than people in and of their own right.
 
2013-04-08 09:04:48 PM  
If children belgoned to the community, parents would be concerned with getting their kids jobs. Parents would teach kids to be choosy about the families of their friends and lovers. Parents woud sicuss things like financial invesments and the importance of paying attention to social capital around where they live when they move away from home. Of my list, all I see most parents care about is jobs, which suggests they think their children have no futures. Parents seem to think children will be obedient chore drones at home and obnedient chore drones that belong to their immediate bosses when they move out. If they move out.
 
2013-04-08 09:08:24 PM  
Parents seem more than willing to agree with "children belong to the community" when the school year starts and they can dump them off on public school rather than pay out-of-pocket for daycare everyday.
 
2013-04-08 09:09:43 PM  

gilgigamesh: Jesus Christ, I just lost about 10 IQ points reading this thread.


Public school system, when he went into the 11th grade he already had passed the tests to graduate high school, but he didn't feel like he wanted to go to college until he was 17. In the first 2 months of school he was attacked by a guy in the court yard. Part of his schooling from me was self defense. He hurt the bully and got kicked out of school, he and I went camping, so all was well that ended well. By the way it is not possible for you to lose 10 IQ points as all IQ tests are always measured in the positive.
 
2013-04-08 09:09:47 PM  

skullkrusher: what does Usher have to do with anything?


You're mistaken. That's not Usher. Usher's career is dead. But Usher is still alive.

That's definitely Steve Urkel.
 
2013-04-08 09:10:39 PM  

Huggermugger: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

If it wasn't for liberal do-gooders, child abuse would not be illegal.


That is not true.
 
2013-04-08 09:10:47 PM  

lasercannon: Majick Thise: Can I sue my community for child support?

Depends on how slutty your wife was.


You probably farked her, but she won't remember it
 
2013-04-08 09:10:53 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Parents seem more than willing to agree with "children belong to the community" when the school year starts and they can dump them off on public school rather than pay out-of-pocket for daycare everyday.


by "dump them off on public school " you mean "bring them to the school that they pay for with their tax dollars because it is illegal not send your kids to school" presumably?
 
2013-04-08 09:11:23 PM  
And here we have what Fark Mods would consider a perfect thread; shiat on beyond belief by troll accounts.
 
2013-04-08 09:11:29 PM  

skozlaw: skullkrusher: what does Usher have to do with anything?

You're mistaken. That's not Usher. Usher's career is dead. But Usher is still alive.

That's definitely Steve Urkel.


I just saw Usher on the Voice I'll have you kno... oh, point taken
 
2013-04-08 09:12:11 PM  

maxalt: gilgigamesh: Jesus Christ, I just lost about 10 IQ points reading this thread.

Public school system, when he went into the 11th grade he already had passed the tests to graduate high school, but he didn't feel like he wanted to go to college until he was 17. In the first 2 months of school he was attacked by a guy in the court yard. Part of his schooling from me was self defense. He hurt the bully and got kicked out of school, he and I went camping, so all was well that ended well. By the way it is not possible for you to lose 10 IQ points as all IQ tests are always measured in the positive.


Some Maxalt would come in handy after reading that abortion of post.

/Google what Maxalt is
 
2013-04-08 09:13:24 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: And here we have what Fark Mods would consider a perfect thread; shiat on beyond belief by troll accounts.


This was never a good thread. The topic was incredibly stupid.

We might as well have just posted pictures of ponies, it's just as productive.
 
2013-04-08 09:13:33 PM  

Almost Everybody Poops: However, they did teach us to be tolerant of others views, so that's what they might be afraid of.


Indeed. That entire concept is anathema to conservatives.


And before some threadshiatter makes a smartass comment, tolerance does not extend to intolerance. I reserve the right to hate haters.
 
2013-04-08 09:13:48 PM  

maxalt:  Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate to high school from the 1880's. The tests are available on the internet. Then rate youself as to education.


maxalt: Except those of us who are successful don't to troll, we say what we know to be true.


Do you meanthis purported  9th grade test from 1895 that was debunked as fake?

Keep telling us what you know is true....
 
2013-04-08 09:16:21 PM  

TsukasaK: Almost Everybody Poops: However, they did teach us to be tolerant of others views, so that's what they might be afraid of.

Indeed. That entire concept is anathema to conservatives.


And before some threadshiatter makes a smartass comment, tolerance does not extend to intolerance. I reserve the right to hate haters.


I remember when you were a right wing troll who said stupid shiat from the right and then you kinda slipped away for a little bit and now you're back saying stupid shiat from the left. At least have the decency to change names, brah.
 
2013-04-08 09:16:49 PM  
Wow, I thought the Freepers were unbearable. The comments on that site...

People who write copy for these PSAs need to dumb them WAY down so that these people can follow along.
 
2013-04-08 09:17:11 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Satanic_Hamster: And here we have what Fark Mods would consider a perfect thread; shiat on beyond belief by troll accounts.

This was never a good thread. The topic was incredibly stupid.

We might as well have just posted pictures of ponies, it's just as productive.


Oh now you've gone and done it.
 
2013-04-08 09:23:17 PM  

indylaw: Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.


yes, but that nosy biatch down the road has some stake in your child's ability to become a productive member of society.
(your neighbors more than their neighbors -- but everyone gains a little)
 
2013-04-08 09:23:28 PM  
Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?
 
2013-04-08 09:23:47 PM  

lostcat: Wow, I thought the Freepers were unbearable. The comments on that site...

People who write copy for these PSAs need to dumb them WAY down so that these people can follow along.


They've got to understand that these are simple farmers? People of the land? The common clay of the New West?
 
2013-04-08 09:27:16 PM  

skullkrusher: I remember when you were a right wing troll who said stupid shiat from the right


Uhh.. yeah, you're going to need to link me to what the sweet holy fark you're talking about. I'm pretty much straight liberal (maybe libertarian on a few things) and always have been.

But hey, can't refute anything, just resort to calling it "stupid shiat" and accuse the person of impropriety.

F*cking 'cons.
 
2013-04-08 09:29:33 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Mrtraveler01: Satanic_Hamster: And here we have what Fark Mods would consider a perfect thread; shiat on beyond belief by troll accounts.

This was never a good thread. The topic was incredibly stupid.

We might as well have just posted pictures of ponies, it's just as productive.

Oh now you've gone and done it.


fark yeah.
i58.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-08 09:30:06 PM  

keithgabryelski: indylaw: Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.

yes, but that nosy biatch down the road has some stake in your child's ability to become a productive member of society.
(your neighbors more than their neighbors -- but everyone gains a little)


Her stake is satisfied by the educational taxes she pays and her ability to elect school board members.
 
2013-04-08 09:30:51 PM  

Flappyhead: Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?


Possible.  I've also suspected that the mods have the ability/are allowed to reset/rename/clear ignorelists and player notes of old accounts to make them appear new and/or backdate new troll accounts.
 
2013-04-08 09:32:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: lostcat: Wow, I thought the Freepers were unbearable. The comments on that site...

People who write copy for these PSAs need to dumb them WAY down so that these people can follow along.

They've got to understand that these are simple farmers? People of the land? The common clay of the New West?


Oh, please.  "Belong to" was an incredibly stupid choice of words; only "are property of" could have been worse.
 
2013-04-08 09:32:37 PM  

Cheesus: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.


Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common refrain among their friends who were almost all teachers. I heard what the teachers thought about the kids first hand, and believe me it was not what you would want to believe. I think that the problem arises from the fact that the teaches spend their whole life in academia, beard stroking themselves and convincing themselves if they only had control what a utopia this world would be. My Uncle on the other hand was and is a staunch conservative and taught his students that Capitalism is the best form of economics. He also taught them that Lincoln arrested owners of papers, Supreme Court Justices, stole bank accounts and ignored the constitution. All of which about Lincoln is true. And yes school kids need parents help, blame Johnson, he made it so if a baby was born to a couple they could not recieve any government assistance, so led to the break up of the low income families, Johnson despised blacks by the way, called them tree swingers. Too long an answer I know.
 
2013-04-08 09:36:07 PM  

TsukasaK: skullkrusher: I remember when you were a right wing troll who said stupid shiat from the right

Uhh.. yeah, you're going to need to link me to what the sweet holy fark you're talking about. I'm pretty much straight liberal (maybe libertarian on a few things) and always have been.

But hey, can't refute anything, just resort to calling it "stupid shiat" and accuse the person of impropriety.

F*cking 'cons.


I googled you just in case I was mistaken. First link I looked at :

http://m.fark.com/comments/5721079/One-of-RAND-PAULs-biggest-allies- A- millionaire-who-wants-to-continue-covering-up-sexual-abuse-of-seniors- in-his-nursing-home?from_page=&r=1364498298

"
Wow.. it's kind of sad how awesome ron paul was and how shiatty rand paul is. "
yeah, you sound liberal.

As for your comment that you believe deserves refutation, yeah, I am very tolerant of other people and other viewpoints and I'm a "con" as you say so... yeah, stupid shiat. You're welcome
 
2013-04-08 09:38:54 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: keithgabryelski: indylaw: Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.

yes, but that nosy biatch down the road has some stake in your child's ability to become a productive member of society.
(your neighbors more than their neighbors -- but everyone gains a little)

Her stake is satisfied by the educational taxes she pays and her ability to elect school board members.


Probably not completely -- if the parents are abusing a child, for instance, he has enough stake to report such activity.
If some kids are getting in to trouble -- said nosey neighbor has stake in finding ways to keep idle hands occupied, whether
that is ensuring a community center is accessible and inviting or if he ad hoc coaches basketball on some local park's court.
 
2013-04-08 09:38:55 PM  

maxalt: Cheesus: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.

Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common refrain amo ...


WTF am I reading?
 
2013-04-08 09:39:29 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Flappyhead: Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?

Possible.  I've also suspected that the mods have the ability/are allowed to reset/rename/clear ignorelists and player notes of old accounts to make them appear new and/or backdate new troll accounts.


I wouldn't put it past them.  I've got a screen cap of at least one troll account that popped up one day after about 8 years of dormancy, tripped over itself and magically had it's posts deleted.
 
2013-04-08 09:42:25 PM  
www.wantchinatimes.com
While you argue about silly word use, these children are being educated to the 21st century standard.
 
2013-04-08 09:43:18 PM  

wndertwin: maxalt:  Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate to high school from the 1880's. The tests are available on the internet. Then rate youself as to education.

maxalt: Except those of us who are successful don't to troll, we say what we know to be true.

Do you meanthis purported  9th grade test from 1895 that was debunked as fake?

Keep telling us what you know is true....


I can tell you this I had to pass an exit exam to get out of High School  in 1968. It included math, science, biology, history, English and if you could not read at a college level, you would get a diploma that reflected that you were not up to the standards of achievement needed for college. Harsh maybe but that  non college diploma was a one way ticket to Vietnam, so believe me kids worked for that sheep skin, and no I did not think Vietnam was right. Any way I tire of this, most young people are socialists, that is until the time comes when it starts to cost them money, then capitalism here I come.
 
2013-04-08 09:43:55 PM  

skullkrusher: Wow.. it's kind of sad how awesome ron paul was and how shiatty rand paul is. "
yeah, you sound liberal.


First off.. that post is almost 2 and a half years old. You don't think someone's political views can change at all in that amount of time?

Secondly, RP's only Republican in that that's his registered party.. his views are more libertarian than anything. I can get on board with some of his stances, but he's now on my "no way, no how, not ever" list since he seems to be okay with facist behavior as long as it's done at the state level and not the federal level. And that's not even getting into the economic derp...

I was a dumbass about supporting RP back then and I fully admit this.

skullkrusher: I am very tolerant of other people and other viewpoints and I'm a "con" as you say


In that case, you're in the minority and sound like someone I'd like to hang out with over a beer or two. The conservatives I see and deal with on a daily basis are the kind that are for "small government" as long as small government includes religious fundamentalism and dictating what consenting adults do in their own homes (but I repeat myself)
 
2013-04-08 09:44:25 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Lionel Mandrake: What the hell is with the Derp Squadron lately?  We expect lame, but this is an insult to lame.  If you guys aren't feeling up to it, maybe you should take a break and recharge those batteries.

I feel ya. This sh*t is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off the rails.


The weird thing is I've seen two trolls just today that are brand new to me but have accounts dating back to 2005. They have to be really new at this or...


Flappyhead: Satanic_Hamster: Flappyhead: Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?

Possible.  I've also suspected that the mods have the ability/are allowed to reset/rename/clear ignorelists and player notes of old accounts to make them appear new and/or backdate new troll accounts.

I wouldn't put it past them.  I've got a screen cap of at least one troll account that popped up one day after about 8 years of dormancy, tripped over itself and magically had it's posts deleted.


Ah, interesting theory. This would explain why the two I mention above never registered on my radar before today.
 
2013-04-08 09:44:57 PM  
oi49.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-08 09:46:52 PM  

TsukasaK: Secondly, RP's only Republican in that that's his registered party.. his views are more libertarian than anything


No, his views are pretty fascist, but only on a state level.
 
2013-04-08 09:47:51 PM  
HOW DARE ANYONE SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY TO EACH OTHER AND ESPECIALLY TO OUR CHILDREN RRRRGH THIS MAKES ME SO MAD I'M GOING TO BLOG ABOUT IT AND THEN GO MASTURBATE INTO A COPY OF ATLAS SHRUGGED
 
2013-04-08 09:50:35 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: TsukasaK: Secondly, RP's only Republican in that that's his registered party.. his views are more libertarian than anything

No, his views are pretty fascist, but only on a state level.


He's a neo-Confederate. Like, exactly.

(So, yeah, basically what you said).
 
2013-04-08 09:50:50 PM  
I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.
 
2013-04-08 09:54:03 PM  

badhatharry: I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.


Oh yeah, the whole "community concept" is something we've been keeping a secret all these years. You found us out!
 
2013-04-08 09:58:36 PM  
This might mean people getting more involved in their community rather than subscribing to the mantra of "Fark you I've got mine!". 
This is the worst thing ever.
 
2013-04-08 10:01:22 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: badhatharry: I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.

Oh yeah, the whole "community concept" is something we've been keeping a secret all these years. You found us out!


Next he'll discover the Mexican homobortion parties and the human sacrifices to the God of Atheism. We have to get rid of him.
 
2013-04-08 10:01:54 PM  

fusillade762: Flappyhead: Satanic_Hamster: Flappyhead: Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?

Possible. I've also suspected that the mods have the ability/are allowed to reset/rename/clear ignorelists and player notes of old accounts to make them appear new and/or backdate new troll accounts.

I wouldn't put it past them. I've got a screen cap of at least one troll account that popped up one day after about 8 years of dormancy, tripped over itself and magically had it's posts deleted.

Ah, interesting theory. This would explain why the two I mention above never registered on my radar before today.


It makes the most sense.

Otherwise, that means people are sitting on dozens of troll accounts each and just pulling them out after 5+ years of nothing.  That goes past dedication into the realm of being farking pathetic.
 
2013-04-08 10:02:58 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: cameroncrazy1984: badhatharry: I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.

Oh yeah, the whole "community concept" is something we've been keeping a secret all these years. You found us out!

Next he'll discover the Mexican homobortion parties and the human sacrifices to the God of Atheism. We have to get rid of him.


He must have a mole at our semi-weekly gay orgies.
 
2013-04-08 10:03:30 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: A Dark Evil Omen: cameroncrazy1984: badhatharry: I find it refreshing. About time liberals stopped beating around the bushes.

Oh yeah, the whole "community concept" is something we've been keeping a secret all these years. You found us out!

Next he'll discover the Mexican homobortion parties and the human sacrifices to the God of Atheism. We have to get rid of him.

He must have a mole at our semi-weekly gay orgies.


I have a mole?!
 
2013-04-08 10:03:51 PM  

Flappyhead: Login:maxalt678742002-12-30 16:12:06
Is this some sleeper account that was just waiting for the signal?


I spent the last 25 years working my buns off, now I can just live off of my work ethic. I still work just not 70 to 100 hours a week as I did once my son reached the age of 18 and was busy making his own life. I enjoy work and long hours, my wife worked long hours also so we would have a nest egg for our golden years. Now we have no bills, money put away and we travel when we feel like it. Everyone on this site just spews what you are told by someone else, I see very few independent thinkers here. Oh course NOT ALL of the people on here are cattle I have found some intelligent people here, but most just spew liberal talking points that they hear from the media and academia. Very few real thinkers are to be found on this site.
 
2013-04-08 10:04:28 PM  

Majick Thise: Can I sue my community for child support?


When the state cuts school funding below legislative mandates...yes, you can.
 
2013-04-08 10:05:14 PM  

Mrtraveler01: So is there an intelligent argument on why I should be outraged about this?


No, none at all.

I find the conservative backlash a bit odd since it seems that conservatives are the ones that talk most often about the old days when people knew each other and you couldn't get away with anything in front of any neighborhood parent because they talked with your parents.
 
2013-04-08 10:05:40 PM  

NostroZ: [www.wantchinatimes.com image 450x295]
While you argue about silly word use, these children are being educated to the 21st century standard.


Yes, that's what we all want - 21st century 'Hitler Youth' looking kids.
 
2013-04-08 10:06:03 PM  

Fart_Machine: maxalt: Cheesus: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

I'm confused.  Your parents were teachers, indicating they were "indoctrinated by the state," and they were people that "couldn't."

Do you possibly think that inner city school kids have such a rough time because their parents don't give a damn?  Teachers can only do so much.  It's up to the kid to apply themselves and actually learn what they've been taught, and it's up to parents to push them along in the right direction.  Public school has its faults to be sure, but I learned quite a bit.  Math and computing interested me, so I pushed myself in those courses.  English never interested me, but I make do.  I am spell well and grammar good.

Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common ref ...


An independent thinker, I believe half of what I see and none of what I hear until I can study and know for myself what is right or wrong.
 
2013-04-08 10:07:43 PM  
There is a world of difference between saying we as a community have an obligation to help a neighbor in need vs. turn you children over to us, really things will be just fine.  Parental involvement is a key factor in a school performing above or below the average of its peers.  The higher the involvement, the more likely said school is performing a high level, the lower the level of involvement and there is a strong that school is not meeting even the most basic standards.

Growing up in Virginia in the mid to late 80's I was fortunate to have parents who were very involved in my schooling, but i also had three other sets of parents as there were four of us who were best of friends and rotated hanging out between homes... All of our parents were friends, sat together during our games and all of us listened to any of those parents as if they were our own.  And God help any of us if we had a teacher call home as we would have multiple "parents" to answer to....

This situation is completely different than the one Ms. Harris is advocating and she is wrong, wrong, wrong.
 
2013-04-08 10:08:09 PM  

maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-08 10:08:34 PM  

Philbb: Mrtraveler01: So is there an intelligent argument on why I should be outraged about this?

No, none at all.

I find the conservative backlash a bit odd since it seems that conservatives are the ones that talk most often about the old days when people knew each other and you couldn't get away with anything in front of any neighborhood parent because they talked with your parents.


Yes, but those people were all WASPs.
 
2013-04-08 10:09:45 PM  
Unless you can afford them, children absolutely should be state property.  If you can't pay for 100% of your child's expenses, be they: food; clothing; shelter; tuition, or medical expenses, you have no business having them.  I did not ask you to let some scumbag go bareback in a dirty outhouse.  Your bastard isn't my problem.  If you can't afford your little 9-month menses, they should become wards of the state and be harvested for their organs and bodily nutrients.
 
2013-04-08 10:11:10 PM  

jpo2269: There is a world of difference between saying we as a community have an obligation to help a neighbor in need vs. turn you children over to us, really things will be just fine.


Nobody is saying that except the morons on Red State.
 
2013-04-08 10:15:09 PM  

maxalt: Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common refrain among their friends who were almost all teachers.


For being a bunch of socialist teachers, they sure did a piss poor job at accurately quoting Marx.
 
2013-04-08 10:16:42 PM  

Fart_Machine: jpo2269: There is a world of difference between saying we as a community have an obligation to help a neighbor in need vs. turn you children over to us, really things will be just fine.

Nobody is saying that except the morons on Red State.


Apparently some people still don't get it.
 
2013-04-08 10:16:55 PM  

maxalt: Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money


This is why everyone who toils behind the counter of a fast food restaurant is a millionaire.
 
2013-04-08 10:17:11 PM  

NostroZ: [www.wantchinatimes.com image 450x295]
While you argue about silly word use, these children are being educated to the 21st century standard.


Does "the 21st century standard" mean "ripping off other people's intellectual property and making up lab results?"
 
2013-04-08 10:17:44 PM  

badhatharry: Fart_Machine: jpo2269: There is a world of difference between saying we as a community have an obligation to help a neighbor in need vs. turn you children over to us, really things will be just fine.

Nobody is saying that except the morons on Red State.

Apparently some people still don't get it.


I agree, the folks at RedState still don't get it.
 
2013-04-08 10:19:46 PM  

JesusJuice: Unless you can afford them, children absolutely should be state property.  If you can't pay for 100% of your child's expenses, be they: food; clothing; shelter; tuition, or medical expenses, you have no business having them.  I did not ask you to let some scumbag go bareback in a dirty outhouse.  Your bastard isn't my problem.  If you can't afford your little 9-month menses, they should become wards of the state and be harvested for their organs and bodily nutrients.


DEFUND PLANNED PARENTHOOD!
 
2013-04-08 10:20:44 PM  

Mrtraveler01: maxalt: Yea they were socialists, they often said "By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds". That was a common refrain among their friends who were almost all teachers.

For being a bunch of socialist teachers, they sure did a piss poor job at accurately quoting Marx.


"By each according to his needs to each according to his deeds"?

What the dick? That sounds like straight-up conservative and fascist talk, from the people at the bottom to our GRAND NATIONAL HEROES.

Then again, it's a dude with "alt" in his name.
 
2013-04-08 10:23:46 PM  
Fart_Machine, badhatharry,

Maybe you should watch the video.  There is a distinct difference between "children belong to the whole community" vs. "we as a community have a responsibility to help shape our children's education and future.."
 
2013-04-08 10:24:40 PM  

Dinki: So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents choose to abuse, neglect, or starve their children it's all good, right?


The free market will sort it out. When word gets around that those parents starve their children, no one will want to buy children from them.
 
2013-04-08 10:26:34 PM  

jpo2269: Fart_Machine, badhatharry,

Maybe you should watch the video.  There is a distinct difference between "children belong to the whole community" vs. "we as a community have a responsibility to help shape our children's education and future.."


"Once it's everybody's responsibility and not just the household's we start making better investments" doesn't translate into "the state owns your kids".
 
2013-04-08 10:29:23 PM  
So, apparently it doesn't take a village.  Not for conservatives, at least.
 
2013-04-08 10:34:22 PM  

Fart_Machine: "Once it's everybody's responsibility and not just the household's we start making better investments" doesn't translate into "the state owns your kids".


You know the same sort of person will claim it's the states/schools responsibility to teach kids values/morals/religion.
 
2013-04-08 10:35:50 PM  

Philbb: I find the conservative backlash a bit odd since it seems that conservatives are the ones that talk most often about the old days when people knew each other and you couldn't get away with anything in front of any neighborhood parent because they talked with your parents.


I'm not certain what your concern is here; conservatives appreciate the coherence of organic communities, but are suspicious of the claimed prerogatives of the State -- and the State is not a community. Traditional conservatives, as opposed to the mercenary right-liberals who increasingly claim the label of "conservative" today, believe that the ideal society would be bound together by ties of culture, values, and (as much as possible) kinship through shared descent. Since Western societies have become increasingly balkanized and atomized, many now look to government to provide us with things we either provided to ourselves in the past or were helped with by our neighbours, which is unequivocally a bad thing because the government is not made up of our neighbours or by people like us (unless you happen to live in Georgetown); the government does not love us or even have a fond regard for people like us, but patronizes us as ruling elites have perennially done to their subjects throughout the ages. As a result, its aid comes with far too many unwanted strings attached (and is very often unsustainable economically in the long term in any case).

I have no problem with the idea of my neighbours in a small and tight-knit community watching out for my children -- although naturally that would not mean that the neighbours had the same kind of claim upon or relationship with my children as I do; it doesn't "take a village to raise a child" so much as it takes parents to do so, with extended family and the wider community at large helping when necessary. I would however have a serious problem with a stranger from the State, who is by no means guaranteed to have anyone's best interests at heart, claiming an equal right to my children because of whatever misguided ideology they happen to be guided by. Bear in mind that there is ample historical precedent of tyrannical societies interfering with parental rights over their children in order to secure the obedience and indoctrination of those children for the service of Church or State -- though this fact may be surprising to those who have themselves been conditioned via public education to believe that governments are inherently benevolent and can be trusted to look after us and solve all of our problems.
 
2013-04-08 10:38:58 PM  
I work for an Indian tribe, largely working with child welfare cases. It's interesting, because the community interest in the welfare and education of children is expressly written into our laws. For example, where a state court would apply the "best interest of the child" standard, the applicable standard in our system is "the best interest of the child and the Tribe."
 
2013-04-08 10:41:33 PM  

I Like Bread: The free market will sort it out. When word gets around that those parents starve their children, no one will want to buy children from them.


Look: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy... I haven't read the whole thread, has anybody said the "LOL GO TO SOMALIA" thing yet? That one's a classic (and easily the modern equivalent of "if you don't like it here, go to Russia").
 
2013-04-08 10:42:28 PM  

TsukasaK: First off.. that post is almost 2 and a half years old. You don't think someone's political views can change at all in that amount of time?


certainly. In fact, that's what I just said about you, isn't it?

TsukasaK: I was a dumbass about supporting RP back then and I fully admit this.


agreed

TsukasaK: In that case, you're in the minority and sound like someone I'd like to hang out with over a beer or two. The conservatives I see and deal with on a daily basis are the kind that are for "small government" as long as small government includes religious fundamentalism and dictating what consenting adults do in their own homes (but I repeat myself)


I might've pegged you wrong. My apologies. I am the furthest thing from a fundi. I don't embrace the "fark religion" that many do around these parts and elsewhere but my soul is mine, yours is yours and whether it exists or not, you're welcome to yours and I expect you to leave mine alone as well.
I am also terribly fond of beer.
 
2013-04-08 10:42:53 PM  
The amount of comments I can't see almost makes me want to turn off the filters....

/Almost.
 
2013-04-08 10:45:08 PM  

Fart_Machine: This might mean people getting more involved in their community rather than subscribing to the mantra of "Fark you I've got mine!". 
This is the worst thing ever.


Gotta love this false polarization of opposites on Fark... if you don't want someone from the government taking a larger than necessary role in the upbringing of your children, it obviously means you're a selfish bastard who wants to send them out to work as chimney sweeps.
 
2013-04-08 10:46:15 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy


They're just different flavors of the same Kool-Aid. No one over the age of 20 subscribes to either political philosophy without first suffering some sort of cerebral injury.
 
2013-04-08 10:46:24 PM  

Emposter: So, apparently it doesn't take a village.  Not for conservatives, at least.


It wasn't a conservative who said "it takes a village"... so, no.
 
2013-04-08 10:48:05 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: skullkrusher: Tell me, have you figured out how you can be amused by something without finding it funny or are you still pretending not to speak English?

I'm not the one who doesn't understand the definiton of "synonym," here, nor the definitions of "amused" and "funny"


"to entertain or occupy in a light, playful, or pleasant manner"
 
2013-04-08 10:50:13 PM  

BMulligan: EvilRacistNaziFascist: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy

They're just different flavors of the same Kool-Aid.


They are different ideologies altogether. Having a government and not having a government are two very different things.

No one over the age of 20 subscribes to either political philosophy without first suffering some sort of cerebral injury.

It is not an endorsement of either libertarianism or anarchy to point out that they are quite distinct, at least as much so as left- liberalism and Stalinism.
 
2013-04-08 10:50:20 PM  

falcon176: isn't this the site that said "fark your reality I want to live in mine go away libs" if so then this is truly the greatest site on the internet and you libs should all bookmark it and visit it daily so you can be re-educated into being intelligent


Oh, you.
 
2013-04-08 10:50:22 PM  

BMulligan: EvilRacistNaziFascist: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy

They're just different flavors of the same Kool-Aid. No one over the age of 20 subscribes to either political philosophy without first suffering some sort of cerebral injury.


quoth the middle-aged self-described socialist ;)
 
2013-04-08 10:51:14 PM  
Fart_Machine,

I might be willing to accept your assertion had Ms. Harris not preceded your quote with her proclamation that "children don't belong to families..."
 
2013-04-08 10:54:10 PM  

Philbb: Mrtraveler01: So is there an intelligent argument on why I should be outraged about this?

No, none at all.

I find the conservative backlash a bit odd since it seems that conservatives are the ones that talk most often about the old days when people knew each other and you couldn't get away with anything in front of any neighborhood parent because they talked with your parents.


You find it odd?

The core group of conservatives really aren't very consistent with their belief system. It really does seem more like a "ok, tune into this website and find out what I believe in today" kind of thing.  I work really hard to be civil and try to discuss ideas as I do have right winger friends and they aren't bad people, but I swear they are so much more in step with each other than the lefties.

The ACA or Ronald Regan are pefect examples.  You can go from being the epitome of right wing ideals, to being some horrible liberal propaganda in the span of a decade.
 
2013-04-08 10:55:50 PM  

maxalt: Huggermugger: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

If it wasn't for liberal do-gooders, child abuse would not be illegal.

That is not true.


It absolutely is true.

My grandfather was one of the pioneers of child welfare in the 20th century.  He started out his life being thrown into an orphanage at the age of five, along with his four brothers, because their father had died in the Far East in 1912 and it took their mother over five years to obtain enough documentation to collect on life insurance.  Grandpa's Dickensian childhood motivated him to work on passing laws to protect children from abuse.  He was a juvie officer, a parole officer, managed an orphanage himself, and earned a Master's in sociology, after which he was a Professor of Sociology at several Universities.

As for myself, I saw firsthand in the 1960s, living in the Deep South, that several kids in my school and in the community were being horribly abused by their parents, and everyone turned their backs on the situation: the teachers refused to get involved, the cops were afraid of interfering, and the "good people of the church" were the worst of all, they actually enabled it by proclaiming that a father was sovereign in his household and it was a sin for the state to interfere.  Later on, in the 1970s, I knew several kids in my high school who lived in the orphanage in Raleigh, which was a snakepit of a place where kids had the shiat beat out of them, and several of them were even pimped out to local pedophiles.  In all of those situations, the only people who actually tried to change the laws and who worked to protect the kids were liberal do-gooders who stood up to the status quo of law enforcement, the courts, and the church, all of whom enabled horrible abuse of children.
 
2013-04-08 10:56:26 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: No not at all.
I am just pointing out that I agree with you.
You said "This post lacks effort".
I agree that you the post you created lacked effort.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-08 10:57:32 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Philbb: I find the conservative backlash a bit odd since it seems that conservatives are the ones that talk most often about the old days when people knew each other and you couldn't get away with anything in front of any neighborhood parent because they talked with your parents.

I'm not certain what your concern is here; conservatives appreciate the coherence of organic communities, but are suspicious of the claimed prerogatives of the State -- and the State is not a community. Traditional conservatives, as opposed to the mercenary right-liberals who increasingly claim the label of "conservative" today, believe that the ideal society would be bound together by ties of culture, values, and (as much as possible) kinship through shared descent. Since Western societies have become increasingly balkanized and atomized, many now look to government to provide us with things we either provided to ourselves in the past or were helped with by our neighbours, which is unequivocally a bad thing because the government is not made up of our neighbours or by people like us (unless you happen to live in Georgetown); the government does not love us or even have a fond regard for people like us, but patronizes us as ruling elites have perennially done to their subjects throughout the ages. As a result, its aid comes with far too many unwanted strings attached (and is very often unsustainable economically in the long term in any case).

I have no problem with the idea of my neighbours in a small and tight-knit community watching out for my children -- although naturally that would not mean that the neighbours had the same kind of claim upon or relationship with my children as I do; it doesn't "take a village to raise a child" so much as it takes parents to do so, with extended family and the wider community at large helping when necessary. I would however have a serious problem with a stranger from the State, who is by no means guaranteed to have anyone's best interests at heart, cl ...


I have to say, that I love how so many right wingers are now brushed off as "liberals" these days.

Serious question.  So do you think that like 90% of Americans are "liberals"? If all of democrats are, and so many republicans (like GW was super liberal!) then there really aren't many left to be true conservatives.
 
2013-04-08 10:59:46 PM  

maxalt: Any way I tire of this, most young people are socialists, that is until the time comes when it starts to cost them money, then capitalism here I come.


The usual course of action is to pursue a typically consumerist lifestyle while continuing to espouse the same leftist values you did in your youth; that way, you get to enjoy the material benefits of capitalism while retaining the higher moral status that goes along with denouncing it. A certain amount of cognitive dissonance is involved and a few pangs of conscience and self-doubt may arise, but these are easily suppressed. It is after all tremendously rewarding to the ego to be able to feel superior both to those who are less politically enlightened than you are and to those who have less disposable income than you do.
 
2013-04-08 10:59:48 PM  

skullkrusher: BMulligan: EvilRacistNaziFascist: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy

They're just different flavors of the same Kool-Aid. No one over the age of 20 subscribes to either political philosophy without first suffering some sort of cerebral injury.

quoth the middle-aged self-described socialist ;)


Everyone who understands how markets work is a socialist, whether they actually embrace the label or not (most, in fact, do not).
 
2013-04-08 11:02:23 PM  

BMulligan: skullkrusher: BMulligan: EvilRacistNaziFascist: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy

They're just different flavors of the same Kool-Aid. No one over the age of 20 subscribes to either political philosophy without first suffering some sort of cerebral injury.

quoth the middle-aged self-described socialist ;)

Everyone who understands how markets work is a socialist, whether they actually embrace the label or not (most, in fact, do not).


we're playing real loose with terminology here I think, papi
 
2013-04-08 11:03:15 PM  

keithgabryelski: BarkingUnicorn: keithgabryelski: indylaw: Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.

yes, but that nosy biatch down the road has some stake in your child's ability to become a productive member of society.
(your neighbors more than their neighbors -- but everyone gains a little)

Her stake is satisfied by the educational taxes she pays and her ability to elect school board members.

Probably not completely -- if the parents are abusing a child, for instance, he has enough stake to report such activity.
If some kids are getting in to trouble -- said nosey neighbor has stake in finding ways to keep idle hands occupied, whether
that is ensuring a community center is accessible and inviting or if he ad hoc coaches basketball on some local park's court.


Meh.  We're talking about education.  Sure, there are stakes in other aspects of a child's well-being.

But having a stake in something does not mean it belongs to you or that you have authority over it.  It means that it's in your interest to help take care of it.

What is that interest?  You take care of it because the act of doing so makes you feel good and you anticipate future results that will make you feel good.  Some people get off on taking care of kids; others don't but they like the future results, e. g., better workers to hire and be served by, fewer criminals to fear.

We getting better workers and fewer criminals than we would without education?  That's why educators need to sell, if they can.  Peddling ownership of other people's kids and responsibility for them is not going to work... at least, not in any way that's good for kids.

This "belong to" crap, repeated three times in 30 seconds, is a gift to opponents of public education.
 
2013-04-08 11:04:51 PM  

BMulligan: I work for an Indian tribe, largely working with child welfare cases. It's interesting, because the community interest in the welfare and education of children is expressly written into our laws. For example, where a state court would apply the "best interest of the child" standard, the applicable standard in our system is "the best interest of the child and the Tribe."


That is interesting.  Are the two presumed to be synonymous?  If not, which is superior?
 
2013-04-08 11:04:55 PM  

EvilRacistNaziFascist: I Like Bread: The free market will sort it out. When word gets around that those parents starve their children, no one will want to buy children from them.

Look: someone else who can't tell the difference between libertarianism and anarchy... I haven't read the whole thread, has anybody said the "LOL GO TO SOMALIA" thing yet? That one's a classic (and easily the modern equivalent of "if you don't like it here, go to Russia").


Those arguments may not be compelling, but neither are the ones we receive from the libertarians.  What strikes me is that this philosophy is all about what ifs, never about "this actually happened".

The reality is that private enterprise never developed the interstate system, didn't develop a railroad system without serious government help, didn't develop the internet etc. etc.

And that doesn't even touch on the insane levels of transaction costs that would be imposed upon every single transaction in society without government intervention. Sure the free market will make sure ultimately that Soda Brand X doesn't contain poison, but glazing over the few people killed for the market to learn that, do you guys really think anyone would try new products in that enviornment? Every single thing we did would be a long and drawn out process to mitigate the risk that government regulation mitigates for us.

No doubt government is in fact a non-producing drain on human enterprise, but in what it takes it absolutely can faciliate far greater growth as risks are reduced.  Yeah, I could take 29 different private highways to get around the US, but just dealing with the billing systems for 29 companies would cost me a fortune if I owned a trucking company.
 
2013-04-08 11:14:12 PM  

skullkrusher: we're playing real loose with terminology here I think, papi


Of course. Also, being intentionally provocative. Not altogether kidding, though.

BarkingUnicorn: That is interesting.  Are the two presumed to be synonymous?  If not, which is superior?


Those are good questions, with no immediately obvious answer. I think the two interests are presumed to be more or less congruent more often than not. In the event of a genuine conflict, though, it might be a difficult call. It would probably depend to a large degree on how compelling the tribal interest is - if the matter went to the very survival and continuity of the tribe, the tribal interest might well trump.
 
2013-04-08 11:15:54 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: keithgabryelski: BarkingUnicorn: keithgabryelski: indylaw: Children aren't property. However, as a general rule, it's the prerogative of parents themselves and not the nosy biatch down the street to raise children.

yes, but that nosy biatch down the road has some stake in your child's ability to become a productive member of society.
(your neighbors more than their neighbors -- but everyone gains a little)

Her stake is satisfied by the educational taxes she pays and her ability to elect school board members.

Probably not completely -- if the parents are abusing a child, for instance, he has enough stake to report such activity.
If some kids are getting in to trouble -- said nosey neighbor has stake in finding ways to keep idle hands occupied, whether
that is ensuring a community center is accessible and inviting or if he ad hoc coaches basketball on some local park's court.

Meh.  We're talking about education.  Sure, there are stakes in other aspects of a child's well-being.

But having a stake in something does not mean it belongs to you or that you have authority over it.  It means that it's in your interest to help take care of it.

What is that interest?  You take care of it because the act of doing so makes you feel good and you anticipate future results that will make you feel good.  Some people get off on taking care of kids; others don't but they like the future results, e. g., better workers to hire and be served by, fewer criminals to fear.

We getting better workers and fewer criminals than we would without education?  That's why educators need to sell, if they can.  Peddling ownership of other people's kids and responsibility for them is not going to work... at least, not in any way that's good for kids.

This "belong to" crap, repeated three times in 30 seconds, is a gift to opponents of public education.


I am pretty sure her point is that the education of kids is important for society at large and therefore it makes sense for society to collectively encourage it but holy crap that was a stupid way to say it
 
2013-04-08 11:17:22 PM  

BMulligan: Of course. Also, being intentionally provocative. Not altogether kidding, though.


it can't be both. Hell, I support the "socialization" of electric utilities and I am nothing resembling a socialist. Not even a double secret one
 
2013-04-08 11:21:57 PM  
MSNBC is just as bad as Fox news. Do yourself a favor and turn off the TV.
 
2013-04-08 11:22:41 PM  
nocturnal001: I have to say, that I love how so many right wingers are now brushed off as "liberals" these days.

Really? By whom? I thought I was one of the few doing it. After all, if society is made up mostly of liberals and right wingers, and the right wingers are being "brushed off" as liberals, who's left to do the brushing off?

Serious question.  So do you think that like 90% of Americans are "liberals"?

In the sense that they subscribe to a false ideal of egalitarianism, yes.

What you have to keep in mind is that American society (and the West as a whole) is continually shifting towards the Left. If you don't believe that, consider that the opinions that are routinely denounced as "fringe", "extremist" or "hateful" today were the opinions held by most Americans and Westerners in 1960 -- or in some cases even in 1985, for that matter. (Who was for "gay marriage" in 1985, for example? Almost nobody. But now you're a horrible bigot if you're against it). What most "conservatives" believe today is simply what most liberals believed forty or fifty years ago. That isn't conserving anything.

If all of democrats are, and so many republicans (like GW was super liberal!)

I don't recall saying that Bush Jr., was "super liberal", but he was certainly not the arch-conservative he was made out to be by his detractors. For example, he was soft on illegal immigration, embraced the idea of civic nationalism (in which the national background of prospective immigrants was irrelevant), expanded the role of the State in providing prescription drugs, was extremely financially irresponsible (see Iraq), etc.

then there really aren't many left to be true conservatives.

No, there aren't. And this is the great gamble that American society is taking: that it can continue to radically transform itself as it has done over the past forty or so years -- all the while marginalizing the values and the intellectual legacy of those who chiefly built the country as being hopelessly backward and obsolescent -- while retaining its past strength, prosperity, and individual liberties. It won't succeed, and in fact the American experiment in progressivism is already visibly failing for those who have the honesty and courage to look at the situation honestly.
 
2013-04-08 11:26:31 PM  

Huggermugger: As for myself, I saw firsthand in the 1960s, living in the Deep South, that several kids in my school and in the community were being horribly abused by their parents, and everyone turned their backs on the situation: the teachers refused to get involved, the cops were afraid of interfering, and the "good people of the church" were the worst of all, they actually enabled it by proclaiming that a father was sovereign in his household