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(RedState)   MSNBC host films a commercial saying that children don't belong to their parents or their families, but to their communities at large. This is an outrage, apparently   (redstate.com) divider line 457
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2013-04-08 02:04:57 PM  
OH NOES!  COMMUNITISOCIALISM!!
 
2013-04-08 02:11:11 PM  
So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents choose to abuse, neglect, or starve their children it's all good, right?
 
2013-04-08 02:13:33 PM  
FTFA:
So kids belong to whole communities? Didn't we fight a war back in the 1800s to prove that people weren't owned by the state or anyone else, but were, in fact, people? Seriously?

So you think we fought a war to prove kids were the property of their parents? What?
 
2013-04-08 02:13:38 PM  

Dinki: So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents choose to abuse, neglect, or starve their children it's all good, right?


MUST....AVOID....CHILDSEX.....JOKE.....
 
2013-04-08 02:19:30 PM  
The community has no role or responsibility for children.

Unless libs want to teach them science, right RedState?
 
2013-04-08 02:19:46 PM  
The people of perpetual shock and horror.
 
2013-04-08 02:37:37 PM  
Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.
 
2013-04-08 02:53:13 PM  
So a commentator says something along the lines that raising children is a civic responsibility.

To republican ears, that means, "ZOMG, OBAMA SAYS THE GOVERNMENT IS COMING TO TAKE AWAY YOUR KIDS!!"

Call me crazy, but I am detecting a pattern here.
 
2013-04-08 03:07:22 PM  

Dinki: So Redstate, since children apparently 'belong' to only their parents, if said parents Community chooses to abuse, neglect, or starve their children instill a proper respect for themselves and others in society, it's all good, right?

/it takes a village
 
2013-04-08 03:20:20 PM  
Didn't this same reaction happen after Hillary published "It Takes a Village"?
 
2013-04-08 03:26:07 PM  
Republicans and/or conservatives were people who supported communalism for much of our history.  It's amazing how reviled the very idea has become.  It was during Reagan's days that they started to demonize it at every level.
 
2013-04-08 03:36:14 PM  
Can I sue my community for child support?
 
2013-04-08 03:42:02 PM  
You are an unfit mother. Your children will be placed in the custody of Carl's Jr.
 
2013-04-08 03:49:30 PM  

Diogenes: Republicans and/or conservatives were people who supported communalism for much of our history.  It's amazing how reviled the very idea has become.  It was during Reagan's days that they started to demonize it at every level.


And Democrats were the ones who defended slavery

People change. Idea's change. The political world we live in is much different than those days.
 
2013-04-08 03:58:38 PM  
Because the concepts of slavery and community spirit are totally morally analogous.
 
2013-04-08 03:59:26 PM  

Aarontology: Because the concepts of slavery and community spirit are totally morally analogous.


You dispute that people change?
 
2013-04-08 03:59:46 PM  

cman: Diogenes: Republicans and/or conservatives were people who supported communalism for much of our history.  It's amazing how reviled the very idea has become.  It was during Reagan's days that they started to demonize it at every level.

And Democrats were the ones who defended slavery

People change. Idea's change. The political world we live in is much different than those days.


While true, the two really aren't analogous.  Communalism and individualism historically haven't had party gravity like other political ideals/trends.

I've been reading alot in this area lately (god I need some new fiction!).  The first (finished) touches on this topic quite a bit.  The second (in progress) addresses it directly.

The Thirteen American Arguments
Our Divided Political Heart
 
2013-04-08 04:02:41 PM  

Diogenes: cman: Diogenes: Republicans and/or conservatives were people who supported communalism for much of our history.  It's amazing how reviled the very idea has become.  It was during Reagan's days that they started to demonize it at every level.

And Democrats were the ones who defended slavery

People change. Idea's change. The political world we live in is much different than those days.

While true, the two really aren't analogous.  Communalism and individualism historically haven't had party gravity like other political ideals/trends.

I've been reading alot in this area lately (god I need some new fiction!).  The first (finished) touches on this topic quite a bit.  The second (in progress) addresses it directly.

The Thirteen American Arguments
Our Divided Political Heart


Here is some good non-fiction that I recommend to everyone: anything by Brian Greene or Neil deGrasse Tyson. Sagan's books are overrated.
 
2013-04-08 04:03:09 PM  

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


2/10. Needs more creationism.
 
2013-04-08 04:07:47 PM  

cman: Aarontology: Because the concepts of slavery and community spirit are totally morally analogous.

You dispute that people change?


Not at all.

I'm saying making the comparison of "community" to "slavery" is stupid and cheapens the horrors of slavery. Especially given that community isn't inherently evil like slavery.
 
2013-04-08 04:16:10 PM  
Um, most analyses of early human communities say that children were raised exactly like this - by the community.  So conservatives are effectively getting mad at returning to historical methods of raising children.
 
2013-04-08 04:25:10 PM  

clancifer: maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.

2/10. Needs more creationism.


Don't care if you can't think for yourself, which government school did you attend? By heart felt beliefs are not of anyone's concern. Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate to high school from the 1880's. The tests are available on the internet. Then rate youself as to education.
 
2013-04-08 04:27:16 PM  

maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate


I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.
 
2013-04-08 04:31:37 PM  

James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.


You should have posted the full quote.
 
2013-04-08 05:31:28 PM  

James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.


Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government
 
2013-04-08 05:34:37 PM  

GAT_00: Um, most analyses of early human communities say that children were raised exactly like this - by the community.  So conservatives are effectively getting mad at returning to historical methods of raising children.


Leave it to the left to want to return to the stone age.
And be proud of it.
 
2013-04-08 05:35:21 PM  
I knew this spot would generate a derpstorm.  Surprised I haven't heard more outrage than I have.

KarmicDisaster: You are an unfit mother. Your children will be placed in the custody of Carl's Jr.


encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
Maybe not a good idea.
 
2013-04-08 05:39:09 PM  

maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government


He didn't build that success.
If someone didn't build the car, he would have froze
And if someone didn't build the roads, no one would have built the car.
On the flip side, if there weren't that many cars, there would be no global warming  eh cooling  eh climate change and Michigan would be a lot warmer so he wouldn't need a car to begin with.
 
2013-04-08 05:40:48 PM  

Type_Hard: Didn't this same reaction happen after Hillary published "It Takes a Village"?


Yeah, pretty much. Most homeschoolers / religious nutjobs are horrified at the thought of someone teaching their kids something that they don't approve of.
 
2013-04-08 05:42:35 PM  

maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government


God bless your wife for overcoming the social stigma and having children with someone of your... capacity.
 
2013-04-08 05:46:10 PM  
Raising kids through a communal system is arguably a conservative idea. The only problem is that conservatives have so internalized the idea that self-interest is in everyone's interest that they forgot that kids actually can't raise themselves. Now we actually do need the government to provide some basic level of services.

Or maybe they think it's good that kids are being educated on Baltimore street corners instead of in school.
 
2013-04-08 05:54:37 PM  

James!: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

God bless your wife for overcoming the social stigma and having children with someone of your... capacity.


I guess you are just another uneducated libtard who would not know an insult if it devoured his posterior. Keep up the whining and some day you may make it into a low class job whining about how life has screwed you over. No one who is successful in this world waits for success, if you are successful, you go out and get it. I suppose you could be one of the chinless wonders who find their place in government warming a chair and complaining that you don't get enough vacation. Go on looking at the obstacles in life and you will never see the opportunities, I truly feel for you.
 
2013-04-08 06:01:58 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

He didn't build that success.
If someone didn't build the car, he would have froze
And if someone didn't build the roads, no one would have built the car.
On the flip side, if there weren't that many cars, there would be no global warming  eh cooling  eh climate change and Michigan would be a lot warmer so he wouldn't need a car to begin with.


Isn't that an Obama quote that a bunch of people got upset about a few months back?
 
2013-04-08 06:02:00 PM  
Isn't the whole small town thing where everyone knows your parents and keeps you in line a major component of what the bootstrappy types think merica should return to?
 
2013-04-08 06:05:36 PM  
Someone set us up a dirty diaper!
 
2013-04-08 06:09:41 PM  

maxalt: words



Dude, you really need to be more subtle if you're gonna make a run at this trolling business.
 
2013-04-08 06:10:40 PM  
The ingenious Pocket Ninja and my favorite troll Mike_LowELL are the only people I have favorited right now.  But keep it up, maxalt, and you can join the list.  I particularly like haw tenpoundsofcheese is taking your posts seriously.
 
2013-04-08 06:14:56 PM  
Cool, so liberals are saying I should be able to spank little brats when their bleeding heart parents won't.
 
2013-04-08 06:16:08 PM  

vygramul: FTFA:
So kids belong to whole communities? Didn't we fight a war back in the 1800s to prove that people weren't owned by the state or anyone else, but were, in fact, people? Seriously?

So you think we fought a war to prove kids were the property of their parents? What?


What I want to know is, when did this idea creep up on us, that children are people? When I was a kid, I would have been laughed at if I claimed I had any rights. My parents would have laughed the hardest. In school we studied civics, but those weren't our rights we talked about. Now, everywhere you go is crawling with mouthy little farks who look like slouching sheepdogs. I'm not saying they should be community property, like I've got a timeshare on some neighborhood punk or something. That would be nice, because my car needs washing, but that's not what I'm saying. It's just that someone should own them until they prove capable of surviving on their own, and they should know it.
 
2013-04-08 06:20:48 PM  

sammyk: Isn't the whole small town thing where everyone knows your parents and keeps you in line a major component of what the bootstrappy types think merica should return to?


Oh, but that not what she meant.  She meant that they should be the physical property of the People, as represented by the top Party leaders.  They will decide what is best for the child and for the rest of us.  There will be a People's Council on Childhood Affairs that will determine which children are more suited to be soldiers, which are more suited to be bureaucrats, which are suited to scientists, etc.  Those deemed at risk of becoming a Public Enemy of the People will sent to reeducation centers (aka "Obamacamps") provided by FEMA.

I think that's what this dipshiat's afraid of.
 
2013-04-08 06:22:26 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: The ingenious Pocket Ninja and my favorite troll Mike_LowELL are the only people I have favorited right now.  But keep it up, maxalt, and you can join the list.  I particularly like haw tenpoundsofcheese is taking your posts seriously.


Wow.  Your favorites list looks a lot like my ignore list.  Except for PN of course.
 
2013-04-08 06:25:33 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

He didn't build that success.
If someone didn't build the car, he would have froze
And if someone didn't build the roads, no one would have built the car.
On the flip side, if there weren't that many cars, there would be no global warming  eh cooling  eh climate change and Michigan would be a lot warmer so he wouldn't need a car to begin with.


Now THAT is how you insult someone, I give you a +5 on the scale of -5 to +5 you even brought the King of DC into the picture, and you did not attack me mindlessly. Well done well done! By the by Michigan has been warming for 10,000 years. 10,000 years ago it was covered in miles thick ice. Back in the 1960"s the teachers taught us we were all going to freeze in a 100 years or so, scared the mulch out of us 3 graders, just as global warming is doing to the 3rd graders now.
 
2013-04-08 06:27:07 PM  

GleeUnit: maxalt: words


Dude, you really need to be more subtle if you're gonna make a run at this trolling business.


Except those of us who are successful don't to troll, we say what we know to be true.
 
2013-04-08 06:28:14 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: The ingenious Pocket Ninja and my favorite troll Mike_LowELL are the only people I have favorited right now.  But keep it up, maxalt, and you can join the list.  I particularly like haw tenpoundsofcheese is taking your posts seriously.


But I am as serious as a coronary.
 
2013-04-08 06:31:54 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Wow. Your favorites list looks a lot like my ignore list. Except for PN of course.


C'mon, Mike_LowELL is a wonderful troll.  He makes me laugh a lot, though he can be hit and miss at times.  He and PN are the only ones on there right now.  maxalt makes me laugh sometimes, too.  Especially when someone like tenpoundsofcheese jumps in and agrees because he thinks he finally found someone of like mind.  Brilliant.  I keep meaning to put alywa on there, but keep forgetting.
 
2013-04-08 06:32:39 PM  

maxalt: tenpoundsofcheese: maxalt: James!: maxalt: Try passing a 9th grade passing test to graduate

I'm sure your son had a tip-top education.

Yes my son is now a private contractor making a lot more than you do I suspect. Why do you worry about what some one else makes? I guy long ago taught me " I don't care if the other guy makes more money than I do, I just want to make more money than I do". Work and you will, one day, if you work HARD, be one of the people how makes too much money. I have a life long friend who started in the music business in the late 1960's. He was starving, he would come and eat at my house, sleep in the basement, I would make his car payment, but he kept on and on struggling in the music business. Now he manages BIG time bands, , he worked his whole life hard to be where he is, he probably makes more in a year than you will make in your life time. Should all his work in freezing clubs in Michigan, days without food, sleeping in his car in the winter in Michigan, belong to someone else? He didn't earn that? Your jealously is just sickening, go out and try, if you fail try again. Keep trying until you are successful. Then tell me you owe you success to someone else, or government

He didn't build that success.
If someone didn't build the car, he would have froze
And if someone didn't build the roads, no one would have built the car.
On the flip side, if there weren't that many cars, there would be no global warming  eh cooling  eh climate change and Michigan would be a lot warmer so he wouldn't need a car to begin with.

Now THAT is how you insult someone, I give you a +5 on the scale of -5 to +5 you even brought the King of DC into the picture, and you did not attack me mindlessly. Well done well done! By the by Michigan has been warming for 10,000 years. 10,000 years ago it was covered in miles thick ice. Back in the 1960"s the teachers taught us we were all going to freeze in a 100 years or so, scared the mulch out of us 3 graders, just as glob ...


sorry if you felt insulted.  that wasn't the intent.
I was mocking the "you didn't build that" and I thought my comments about the cars and roads were over the top enough that you wouldn't take it seriously.
 
2013-04-08 06:54:30 PM  
Jesus Christ, I just lost about 10 IQ points reading this thread.
 
2013-04-08 06:55:58 PM  

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


What are public abuse buildings?
 
2013-04-08 06:56:31 PM  
They don't until the real rich people that live on the mountains above the village tell the villagers to send their sons (and now daughters) off to die somewhere over there yonder.
 
2013-04-08 06:58:39 PM  

maxalt: Why is it that always when some one sees something that says government isn't the be all end all they go crazy? My son was MY RESPONSIBILITY, I do not want someone who was indoctrinated by the state ie teachers telling me how to raise my children. So you take the most brain dead path, what about child abuse?  Child abuse is already illegal and is punishable by up to life in jail. My son is well adjusted and smart has a well paying job and independent. He only spent the last two years of high school in public abuse buildings. The public schools do not teach ANYTHING!!! They teach "feel good". When over 50% of inner city school kids cannot read at a 2nd grade level when they graduate high school you people want more of public education? I had my son doing algebra when he was in the 3rd grade. Take responsibility and work hard to raise you child to be ready to face the world. Leave the government out of the picture, just because someone works for the government does NOT make them an angel or smart, just someone who failed at all else. My parents who were both teachers used to say "Those who can do, those who can't teach". And yes I truly loved my parents and miss them every day.


If it wasn't for liberal do-gooders, child abuse would not be illegal.
 
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