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2013-04-08 03:53:02 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Also, it's amazing how many people want to give you a TV when they find out that you don't have one. It's difficult for some people to wrap their head around that someone would choose to go without one.


I've had the same problem with microwaves. Our old one died, and MIL insisted on buying us another one. Then we moved to a place furnished with a microwave. Now I have two stinkin' microwaves that I don't use enough to justify having.
 
2013-04-08 03:54:45 PM  

Titanius Anglesmith: the Netflix app on the 360 is terrible.


There is supposed to be an update that will fix a lot of things, but yes it is pretty terrible. I get around it by using the favorites

germ78: Blackhawks


I only mentioned it in passing, but if you are hockey but and its keeping you tied to sat or cable, check out http://www6.hockeystreams.com/

Watch live, HD hockey any game, any feed. Yesterday I watch the Hawk cinch their playoffs with the Chicago feed living in a black out spot.
 
2013-04-08 03:56:28 PM  
Pop-up ads; permanently on-screen network logos; excessive commercial time; commercials running split-screen with 3x-speeded up credits; 1-5 minute offsets on program start and end times; reality TV shows. Don't expect increasing viewers when you are intentionally driving quality downwards.
 
2013-04-08 03:57:07 PM  

Windfoxie: I've had the same problem with microwaves. Our old one died, and MIL insisted on buying us another one. Then we moved to a place furnished with a microwave. Now I have two stinkin' microwaves that I don't use enough to justify having.


Glorified butter melters, that's about all I use mine for.
 
2013-04-08 04:03:23 PM  
I watch the Internet on my TV
 
2013-04-08 04:04:37 PM  

CeroX: Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?

PS3

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Crackle, Anime Alley, VUDU + Blue Ray, Dvd, and 3D, as well as able to view and play files from any windows media server or online cloud media server...


this reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer decided he wanted to stop US Mail delivery to his home:

Postal Employee: "May I help you?"
Kramer: "Yeah, I'd like to cancel my mail."
Postal Employee: "Certainly. How long would you like us to hold it?"
Kramer: "Oh, no, no. I don't think you get me. I want out, permanently."
Newman: "I'll handle this, Violet. Why don't you take your three hour break?
Oh, calm down, everyone. No one's cancelling any mail."
Kramer: "Oh, yes, I am."
Newman: "What about your bills?"
Kramer: "The bank can pay 'em."
Newman: "The bank. What about your cards and letters?"
Kramer: "E-mail, telephones, fax machines. Fedex, telex, telegrams,
holograms."
Newman: "All right, it's true! Of course nobody needs mail. What do you
think, you're so clever for figuring that out? But you don't know the half of
what goes on here. So just walk away, Kramer. I beg of you."
Supervisor: "Is everything all right here, Postal Employee Newman?"
Newman: "Yes, sir, I believe everything is all squared away. Isn't it, Mr.
Kramer?"
Kramer: "Oh, yeah. As long as I stop getting mail!"


And I fear it will end much the same way.
 
2013-04-08 04:05:19 PM  

Titanius Anglesmith: Jument: CeroX: Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?

PS3

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Crackle, Anime Alley, VUDU + Blue Ray, Dvd, and 3D, as well as able to view and play files from any windows media server or online cloud media server...


I've never owned a PS3 in my life. Putting aside Blue Ray, could I get most or all of that with an Xbox (which I own one of already) or a Roku (which I also own one of already, used for Netflix only right now).


I don't need to play my own video off a server. I just don't do that. I rarely if ever rewatch something and if I did, I would just Netflix it.

I hate Sony, but my ps3 is a pretty awesome little media machine. I hear it even plays games, but that's probably just a rumor.

the Netflix app on the 360 is terrible.


I'm surprised you would say that. I've used Netflix on the 360, the Tivo and Roku. I've always been reasonably happy with Netflix on the 360.


If you think the 360 app is bad, just you try it on Tivo. It is just a massive suckfest (although I am not yet on a Premiere so maybe it's better there).
 
2013-04-08 04:12:17 PM  

namegoeshere: Well for starters, Broadcast TV, you can stop filling up the bottom of my screen with station ID's, ads for other shows, disctracting flashy things, etc. That shiat sucks.


Fcc regs requires channels identify themselves. So the station identifiers arent going away, but they could be alot less intrusive...

Agree with everything else.

\even on cable, all stations are transmitted wirelessly from sattelite (encrypted)
 
2013-04-08 04:16:59 PM  
We don't have cable, haven't for years.  We've been putting up with Netflix for a while, but the delay between <X> being released and <X> showing up on Netflix is like 10 to 18 months, so I'm starting to look for alternatives.

Occasionally we're over at a friend's place, he's one of those fully-media-immersed people.  He fired up HBOSomething on their xbox and tried to stream the first ep of Game of Thrones season 3 while we were there.  It locked up for buffering about every 15 seconds.  I'm not impressed.  I think he decided to switching to pirating the show right then and there.

Now that my gf is hooked on new Who, I think I'm going to start looking for someplace to get the current episodes as they come out, without either (1) waiting a calendar year for Netflix to figure out exactly what "current" means, or (2) paying for the chopped up and shortened BBC-America versions.  The same friend was talking about torrenting those as well; I told him I would bring over a USB thumb drive and some beer each week if I could have a copy.

/hate my ISP too
//but no choices there
 
2013-04-08 04:20:15 PM  

DORMAMU: \even on cable, all stations are transmitted wirelessly from sattelite (encrypted)


The regulations that require station ID do not apply to licenses that allow encrypted transmissions.
 
2013-04-08 04:24:00 PM  
For those thinking about cutting the cord to save money, you might want to try what I did. We were running at about $130 a month for "Basic" Digital Cable, DVR, and speed-boosted internet. Decided that we could do without the cable to save some cash so called in the cancellation. Within 24 hours I got a call from TWC asking why we were canceling.

Ended up keeping the cable, because it is literally costing us $5-$6 more than just internet would cost. Our last bill was $72.43.

We only watch live TV if we are eating supper and want to get back to gaming right after. Netflix for older TV shows. DVR any current "live" shows.

We also buy TV series off iTunes we know we want to keep. To date that has been Airbender, Supernatural, and West Wing.
 
2013-04-08 04:24:31 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: louiedog: You still need a cable subscription to watch HBO Go.

Not much longer perhaps

They are looking at the gobs of farking money Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu are making turning to content deliverers like Comcast and Dish and asking "Why the fark aren't you paying us more?"


when asked why they were spending over $100 million on "house of Cards" their first original series, Netflix execs were pretty blunt: they wanted to turn themselves into HBO before HBO figured out how to turn themselves into Netflix
 
2013-04-08 04:28:39 PM  
We just moved so I looked into getting cable or satellite or "U-Verse".  What pissed me off was to get HD I'd have to "rent" equipment, so that $30/month teaser suddenly balloons past $60 with the rental fee and HD tier pricing.  Nope.

Netflix, Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime, and an HD antenna give me everything we need.  Next thing I'm waiting for is for Google to get off their ass and get Fiber to the entire country, especially north Orange county.
 
2013-04-08 04:29:42 PM  

meat0918: CeroX: Queensowntalia: 'Buttcracks of Bel-Air' is ok, but I prefer 'Wedgies of the West,'  the reality show about cowboys who wear their jeans too tight.

Netflix, Amazon Prime, Crackle

I haven't had cable in over a year, upped my TW cable to highest possible speed and still saving $75+ a month...

And if HBO would get off their high horse and open HBOGo to the general public, i'd even pay up to $15/month just for their service...

I think the fact that Game of Thrones was the highest downloaded show of all time should be a clear indicator that opening up GO to general admission would be in their financial best interest...

If I could bundle Netflix with Go for a decent price, I would.  I just expect HBO to charge an excessive price for it (like $30/month considering what Prime and Netflix go for).


Doubtful actually, the economic so cable tv is such that, while you may be paying about $30/mo for HBO, HBO is getting only about $7 of that, meaning that, if they charged $10/mo for HBOGO standalone, it would represent about a 50% increase in revenue per subscriber.   It's also why Netflix, which charges $7.99/mo can afford to drop "Game of Thrones" like money on their original programming too, because in both cases the goal isn;t ratings but increase in subscriptions and in each case, each new subsribed yeilds about the same cash.
 
2013-04-08 04:31:26 PM  
And lest we forget the greatest sacrilege, split-screen talking-over of a great simpsons joke during the credits

Especially the baseball episode with its great song.
 
2013-04-08 04:34:21 PM  

letrole: Anyone who owns a TV but haven't turned it on in years also tends to:

1. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


1. Definitely not.
2. Definitely yes.
3. Oh puh-lease! (/derisive snort) On a PC.
4. Eww, gross, no. Physical media is soooo 2005.
5. I'd rather read somewhere quiet without all the germy humans.
6. Guilty as charged.
7. Only about the spandex abuse that takes place there!
8. I usually just sigh and hope they cure cancer soon so I can take it up again some day.
9. Oh shiat! Have we dated?
10. I don't have to feign it. Now a double quarter pounder meal with BBQ sauce for the fries on the other hand.... /drool  Checkers is still better though.
 
2013-04-08 04:44:37 PM  

profplump: DORMAMU: \even on cable, all stations are transmitted wirelessly from sattelite (encrypted)

The regulations that require station ID do not apply to licenses that allow encrypted transmissions.


Probably true. However if you are a cable company managing how many feeds, wouldnt you want a simple visual indicator to verify channel 234 is actually 234 on your feed and not crossed with 432?
 
2013-04-08 04:45:36 PM  
The only reason I still have cable is for my wife. If I was single I'd have internet only, but my wife isn't there yet. She loves watching college football for some reason (ewww, sports!), so the cable stays. Plus she can just leave the channel on something familiar while she snoozes on the couch until I'm done gaming and we both go to bed.

If it wasn't for the sports though I'd already have set up for her a Google TV or Roku box or something.
 
2013-04-08 04:47:57 PM  

Magorn: when asked why they were spending over $100 million on "house of Cards" their first original series, Netflix execs were pretty blunt: they wanted to turn themselves into HBO before HBO figured out how to turn themselves into Netflix


Something tells they are seeing the writing on the wall, and even have the mega deliverer Comcast wondering what their role in all this is going to be.

I say mark it, we'll see a split in Comcast between its cable and internet divisions.
 
2013-04-08 04:48:20 PM  

RocketRay: We just moved so I looked into getting cable or satellite or "U-Verse".  What pissed me off was to get HD I'd have to "rent" equipment, so that $30/month teaser suddenly balloons past $60 with the rental fee and HD tier pricing.  Nope.

Netflix, Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime, and an HD antenna give me everything we need.  Next thing I'm waiting for is for Google to get off their ass and get Fiber to the entire country, especially north Orange county.


I'll state this again:

Within the next 10 years, the next major battle for the Internet will be Google w/MS, Sony, Steam (plus a few others) v. the ISPs.  If MS, Sony and the others make a deal w/ Google over their idea of unlimited GB internet for everyone, that'll be the spark that starts it. The likes of Microsoft, Sony, et. al. will push for a "pick-your-own-ISP" plan and open up competition for broadband providers while the ISPs will fight like hell to stop it from happening unless they cut deals with MS, Sony, et. al. to expand bandwidth and eliminate all the caps from their pricing plans (perhaps even lower prices to compete with Google).
 
2013-04-08 04:49:18 PM  
Sure wish we had Netflix/Hulu/the rest here!
 
2013-04-08 04:49:25 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: After over 10 years, I am kind of to the point where I don't even watch DVDs or NetFlix anymore or I watch Repo Man over and over again. I watched 10 minutes of Big Bang Theory the other day and I can't believe that anyone is watching it without some kind of incentive or their families are being held hostage or something. 

I will say this, though. I am not trained to be around them any more. I can't ignore TVs in the wild. I wind up just staring.


Weird - I'm the same way with wild tvs.. or those at friend's houses or whatever. I can also watch repo man repeatedly . Fantastic film.. one of my all- time favorites.

/plate o shrimp
 
2013-04-08 04:51:33 PM  

Rwa2play: Within the next 10 years, the next major battle for the Internet will be Google w/MS, Sony, Steam (plus a few others) v. the ISPs. If MS, Sony and the others make a deal w/ Google over their idea of unlimited GB internet for everyone, that'll be the spark that starts it. The likes of Microsoft, Sony, et. al. will push for a "pick-your-own-ISP" plan and open up competition for broadband providers while the ISPs will fight like hell to stop it from happening unless they cut deals with MS, Sony, et. al. to expand bandwidth and eliminate all the caps from their pricing plans (perhaps even lower prices to compete with Google).


The internet existing nothing more than a freeway along which we consumers pick and choose what content we want?

That's just crazy talk, here take this suitcase of cash.

...what no I don't work for Comcast
 
2013-04-08 04:51:51 PM  
I had no cable or anything for years, but now it's cheaper where I live to get the stupid bundle. The only time the tv is used is while the kids are eating breakfast before school.
 
2013-04-08 04:57:24 PM  

ha-ha-guy: That is explains why the farkheads at FX have started putting ads in the shows they distribute digitally.  Now if you buy Archer off iTunes, Amazon, or Google Play you get the honor of forever storing HD ads on your hard drive for FX.

/apparently FX things I somehow forgot how torrents work just because I was playing nice and buying things legally


As an attorney, I'm opposed to illegal downloads.

As someone who had to sit through NINE unskippable minutes of crap to watch a movie I legally bought on disc...avast, me hearties.
 
2013-04-08 05:03:19 PM  

Serges: Oh boy, a TV hate thread.  This should be good.


I don't hate TV. I just don't have a lot of use for cable any longer. Between Hulu and Netflix, I don't need cable, and network TV just doesn't have the draw. I get my news online. I get my movies online. There isn't really a reason to have cable if there are better options.
 
2013-04-08 05:09:16 PM  
Mac Mini + XBMC 12
PS3 + Netflix
tweaknews.eu + (redacted)
Firefox + ABP
 
2013-04-08 05:15:35 PM  

Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?


There's the legit and "illegal" way of going about it. I've found that one can get most shows off of Amazon or iTunes. Between Netflix streaming and purchasing seasons of shows on Amazon, I'd end up paying less than $20/mo for the content. Plenty of devices can do this; I just suggest getting one that periodically updates. My "Smart TV" hasn't had an update so Netflix is slow to load and the interface for Amazon is atrocious.

The illegal way is to setup a HTPC with either WMC, XBMC, or MythTV and use a program to automatically download pirated copies of shows. Couch Potato for Windows is a good example where it can use BitTorrent or Usenet to download the shows. Paying a Usenet provider outside of the US is probably the best since the **AAs don't/can't track and they can't do a DMCA takedown like they can here in the states. The Six Strikes initiative is only targeting BitTorrent last I checked.

/I have yet to convince the wife to cut the cord since she likes to put on random shiat to make noise or pass the time. If I could convince her, I'd cut the cord tomorrow.
 
2013-04-08 05:20:01 PM  

Magorn: meat0918: CeroX: Queensowntalia: 'Buttcracks of Bel-Air' is ok, but I prefer 'Wedgies of the West,'  the reality show about cowboys who wear their jeans too tight.

Netflix, Amazon Prime, Crackle

I haven't had cable in over a year, upped my TW cable to highest possible speed and still saving $75+ a month...

And if HBO would get off their high horse and open HBOGo to the general public, i'd even pay up to $15/month just for their service...

I think the fact that Game of Thrones was the highest downloaded show of all time should be a clear indicator that opening up GO to general admission would be in their financial best interest...

If I could bundle Netflix with Go for a decent price, I would.  I just expect HBO to charge an excessive price for it (like $30/month considering what Prime and Netflix go for).

Doubtful actually, the economic so cable tv is such that, while you may be paying about $30/mo for HBO, HBO is getting only about $7 of that, meaning that, if they charged $10/mo for HBOGO standalone, it would represent about a 50% increase in revenue per subscriber.   It's also why Netflix, which charges $7.99/mo can afford to drop "Game of Thrones" like money on their original programming too, because in both cases the goal isn;t ratings but increase in subscriptions and in each case, each new subsribed yeilds about the same cash.


You're forgetting, though, that the cable providers provide all the back-end financing for HBO.  HBO doesn't pay for most advertising, they don't have to run a billing service or customer support or anything really.  All they do is create and purchase content and the cable providers do all the rest.  If they were to go standalone, they'd have to charge more to make up for all that cost.
 
2013-04-08 05:20:03 PM  

PirateFuzzball: /I have yet to convince the wife to cut the cord since she likes to put on random shiat to make noise or pass the time. If I could convince her, I'd cut the cord tomorrow.


Would be far cheaper to cut the wife.
 
2013-04-08 05:20:49 PM  
Subby nailed exactly why I canceled my cable.
 
2013-04-08 05:28:14 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i50.tinypic.com image 600x451]

I only keep cable for the porn. But I don't pay extra for it.


watch it there buddy... you'll get perma-banned for posting NSFW pics like that in a thread!!!
 
2013-04-08 05:31:16 PM  
I've been internet-only for about a year.  We're saving about $60/month.  Wife finds all the shows she wants to watch on Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon.  My 3 year old watches a surprising amount of kid-friendly stuff on You Tube (damn you, Racegrooves!), and the rest.  Me...well, it's not like you have to go far for cat videos and people hurting themselves badly.
 
2013-04-08 05:41:27 PM  
AMC and sports, that's it.

/It's sad how much I pay to watch Breaking Bad and the Blue Jays
//yes, I should watch AMC shows on Netflix and watch the game at a bar like nature intended.
 
2013-04-08 05:53:33 PM  

Magorn: MyKingdomForYourHorse: louiedog: You still need a cable subscription to watch HBO Go.

Not much longer perhaps

They are looking at the gobs of farking money Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu are making turning to content deliverers like Comcast and Dish and asking "Why the fark aren't you paying us more?"

when asked why they were spending over $100 million on "house of Cards" their first original series, Netflix execs were pretty blunt: they wanted to turn themselves into HBO before HBO figured out how to turn themselves into Netflix


Yep ... so much this.  I love House of Cards ... absolutely intoxicating, which is so very rare these days on television programming.
 
2013-04-08 05:56:39 PM  

DORMAMU: However if you are a cable company managing how many feeds, wouldnt you want a simple visual indicator to verify channel 234 is actually 234 on your feed and not crossed with 432?


Not even a little. I'd want a digital indicator so the computer can do that for me.
 
2013-04-08 05:58:27 PM  
Once you get rid of TV and are without it for a few months, you'll definitely get used to it. The shows that you really want to watch are available online, or are on Roku / Netflix / Amazon.

I gladly pay $1.89 an episode for The Walking Dead and Breaking Bad so I can watch them commercial free. I watched the latest episode of The Walking Dead live at my brother's house and it was pretty appalling with the tons of commercials.
 
2013-04-08 06:05:33 PM  
the whole point of subscribing to cable is to watch current shows and live programming (sports, news, etc)

people who subscribe value this content and can't obtain it otherwise. those that "unplug" decide that this is not a priority for them and all they want is the ability to stream re-runs and movies. If networks care about the tide of viewers, they need to focus on improving the quality of their shows to keep current broadcasts a priority for their customers.
 
2013-04-08 06:25:42 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: santadog: TVs are for people who still can't attach a photo to an email.  Like my parents.


Well, why don't you go upstairs and help them, son?



I think it's because they refuse to learn after I've shown them dozens of times.

Also, attaching a picture is easy when you understand how to navigate to the picture.  Click the paperclip icon and select the picture >> DONE.  They can write this down on a post-it note.

Teaching someone how to navigate to the location of the file or picture is takes much more time to explain (on the order of minutes instead of seconds).  I'd gladly take that time but the when I do all I hear are complaints and all I see are glazed-over expressions.

It's like saying "Teach a man to fish..." and being interrupted with, "I hate fish and worms."
 
2013-04-08 06:43:58 PM  

Hella Fark: people who subscribe value this content and can't obtain it otherwise


The Internet hasn't figured out "live" yet, at least not in any standardized and efficient form. But the Internet is pretty good at "current" with respect to the weekly timescale of most TV.
 
2013-04-08 06:52:24 PM  
2-year price on Verizon Fios for TV + Internets + telephone = $80/mo.

2-year price on Verizon Fios for Internets alone = $75/mo.

Looks like I'm keeping the TV for a while.

/they pretty much know that the only product anyone really wants is Internet.
 
2013-04-08 06:53:21 PM  

Phadeguy: Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?

We cut the chord.  We use a regular PC hooked up to our TV and use that for everything.  We have a wireless keyboard with track pad (Logitech Dinovo Edge) and a standard programmable universal remote (again a nice Logitech product, but I don't know the model off hand) for the sound system and everything else.  It is as simple as using your own computer.  There is no need for a specialized "dumbed down TV device" thing like a Roku unless you just want to use a remote with no keyboard.


Are you me?  Seriously though, i saw this earlier and it ties in nicely with this story.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/08/us-newscorp-fox-idUSBRE937 0V V20130408
 
2013-04-08 07:04:12 PM  

CeroX: Queensowntalia: 'Buttcracks of Bel-Air' is ok, but I prefer 'Wedgies of the West,'  the reality show about cowboys who wear their jeans too tight.

Netflix, Amazon Prime, Crackle

I haven't had cable in over a year, upped my TW cable to highest possible speed and still saving $75+ a month...

And if HBO would get off their high horse and open HBOGo to the general public, i'd even pay up to $15/month just for their service...

I think the fact that Game of Thrones was the highest downloaded show of all time should be a clear indicator that opening up GO to general admission would be in their financial best interest...


I've seen every episode but don't have cable. I watch it streaming online the day after it's on. Give me a netflix-like feed of it with no buffering, and even I would consider paying a reasonable amount for them to keep making shows like that. The 5 or 6 hours/week I watch TV shows isn't worth paying for the 16,000 hours/week of stuff I don't watch. I cut the cable 18 years ago and have never regretted it. My last months of cable cost $10/month.
On the plus side, with HDTV over the air, we have a dozen or so choices with more being added with each local broadcaster broadcasting up to 4 channels.
 
2013-04-08 07:11:33 PM  

Gosling: Igor Jakovsky: If you watch an hour long tv show on say Netflix, the show is only 40 mins or so long. A full third of the airtime is farking commercials.

The thing about ads is that they will go wherever your eyes actually are. A marketer's job (and I did major in marketing in college) is to make sure you're seeing ads somewhere, somehow, someway. If you move away from them, the job is to find out where you've moved to and put the ads there instead. If you're running AdBlock, the ads will just be integrated into somewhere AdBlock can't touch. If you're fast-forwarding through ads, the ads will start being constructed in such a fashion that you can recognize them even at fast-forward speed (and they are doing this; advertisers have noticed that people actually pay MORE attention to commercials when fast-forwarding because they need to know when the ads are ending and the show's starting again).



I was referring to watching these shows on Netflix where the ads cant get to me.  I guess therecould be product placement in the shows themselves.  I wouldnt be surprised if one day Netflix starts sticking unclosable ads at the beginning of their videos like you see on some online streaming content.  Ive also noticed what you are talking about with regards to sticking ads in places you cant fast forward though like at the bottom or corner of the program.  Ive noticed this alot since Tivo became widespread.

Also since you were a marketing major, maybe you can explain to me briefly why ads supposedly work?  Ive watched Pepsi ads all my life and I have yet to switch from Coke as an example.  McDonalds has better fries so I there rather than BK if Im getting some fast food.  Creepy Burger King mascot isnt going to make their fries any less crappy or make me want to go there. When I was a kid sure, I wanted every cool toy or tasty looking treat that I saw on TV.  As an adult not so much.  I am out of the coveted 18-34 age bracket that supposedly everybody markets to by a couple of years now though.  It must work somehow or it wouldnt be a multi-billion dollar industry.
 
2013-04-08 07:14:03 PM  

Tax Boy: 2-year price on Verizon Fios for TV + Internets + telephone = $80/mo.

2-year price on Verizon Fios for Internets alone = $75/mo.

Looks like I'm keeping the TV for a while.

/they pretty much know that the only product anyone really wants is Internet.


I'm only paying $50/month total for 50/25 FiOS. Guess it pays to be an early adopter. Verizon put up the fiber lines on the main trunk less than 1/4 mile from my house in 1995, it sat there unused till the fights with the cable companies were sorted out. I was the first on my street that got it in 2005.
 
2013-04-08 07:23:03 PM  

MarkEC: I've seen every episode but don't have cable. I watch it streaming online the day after it's on. Give me a netflix-like feed of it with no buffering, and even I would consider paying a reasonable amount for them to keep making shows like that. The 5 or 6 hours/week I watch TV shows isn't worth paying for the 16,000 hours/week of stuff I don't watch. I cut the cable 18 years ago and have never regretted it. My last months of cable cost $10/month.
On the plus side, with HDTV over the air, we have a dozen or so choices with more being added with each local broadcaster broadcasting up to 4 channels.


And therein lies the problem.  You would "consider" paying a "reasonable" amount for their service.  The problem is that "a reasonable amount" is different for everybody, and there's no indication that most people downloading the show would pay anything for it.  I mean, The Big Bang Theory and HIMYM were the third and fourth-most downloaded shows last year for Christ's sake.  They are broadcast free over the air and are put online for free the next day and still 3,000,000 people felt the need to download them.  Plus HBO would probably have to strike out on their own sans cable companies with such a service and, at least at this point, that's not a good idea.

Now, if they could find a way (as it sounds like they're trying to do) to tie their service to cable internet providers, they might be able to pull it off.
 
2013-04-08 07:26:53 PM  
All the lying bigots passing the blame onto their wives as the reason they still have cable are transparent, pathetic and don't deserve wives. I don't know a single woman who is such a mouth breathing moron that she can't operate a Netflix interface. Just admit you're keeping cable for sports, soft core and your weird obsession with The Real Housewives of Bumfark.

I have an LG Tv with built in apps and a web browser. The web browser is garbage with like a 25Mb cache so you have to clear it after every single page. Netflix, Crackle, Snag Films, Vtuner and Pandora work great. YouTube refuses to ever remember your login info so you have to set it up with a device and/or pc everytime you want to use it...or just more simply stream it from an iPhone. The Hulu app makes me want to throw the whole tv out the window; it's Hulu's fault, they need to upgrade their servers, they can't handle the demand they get and it makes it impossible to stream anything except at the lowest possible bandwidth during normal hours. Most of the other apps are complete trash as are the games. I have an old MacBook HDMI'd to the tv for access to other streaming content and my 4TB music/movie/tv show library which I access using iTunes 10.7 Coverflow. My iPhone doubles as a remote for the laptop using Hippo Remote and for the TV using the LG app by just being on the same WiFi Network. I have a mostly reliable 20Mbps fiber optic connection with one of the only two companies who serve my block. It's way better than the ATT "service" I was stuck with where I last lived, but I would much prefer to have more options.
 
2013-04-08 07:57:26 PM  
I was, once upon a time, one of those "zero teevee" people.  I had no TV for several years age 18-22 and then a few years later after a brief love affair with cable that ended badly, went over to Netflix only.  Had that for several years and lots of  books in the meantime, but now I live in a houseful of TV addicts and I admit, I love it.  I still don't watch as much as the guys do, but hey, My Strange Addiction and Hoarding?  loves it.  And, Ancient Aliens, too :)

Also, I don't think that foregoing TV and reading books makes a person any smarter.  I read lots of moldy oldies and tons of trash as well over my years as being TV free and as far as I can tell, it hasn't raised my IQ one iota, but your mileage may vary.  There's plenty of written crep out there that competes successfully with the "real housewives of whatever whorevillage" etc, etc.
 
2013-04-08 08:00:43 PM  

letrole: I need attention.


The sun is setting on your career, little man. Time to hang up the keyboard.
 
2013-04-08 08:03:26 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: santadog: TVs are for people who still can't attach a photo to an email.  Like my parents.


Well, why don't you go upstairs and help them, son?


My basement in Colorado, oddly enough, does not go to my mother's kitchen in Ohio.

/female.
 
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