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2013-04-08 11:33:33 AM
Netflix.  That is all.
 
2013-04-08 11:37:57 AM
I watch very little TV for a few reasons:

- I get my news from the internet, other than breaking news on major events, I already know what happened during the day
- Most TV entertainment is dumbed down for the lowest common denominator, casts the widest net possible to bring in the largest audience base possible, and you know what, that does not always work
- Sitcoms are the lowest form of TV "entertainment"
- (Personal Opinion) A lot of TV networks have lost their way.   White trash brigade Honey Boo-Boo,  Pedos Wet Dream Toddlers and Tiaras, Alcoholic meth heads with no sense of decency or fashion sense My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding, is not exactly "Learning."
- 4-6 minute commercial breaks and OBVIOUS product placement is frustrating...YAY for DVR?!?
- Asking me to pay somewhere between $150-$200+ per month, plus $45 per month for high speed internet is insane!  Especially considering of the ~500 or so available channels being offered, both my wife and I only watch maybe, MAYBE 10-15 of them.
 
2013-04-08 11:39:05 AM
i.ytimg.com
 
2013-04-08 11:41:24 AM
TV got you down?  Check out BuzzFeed!
 
2013-04-08 11:46:41 AM
The very instant that HBO becomes available as a standalone subscription will be the same instant I cancel cable forever and get by solely with Amazon Prime.
 
2013-04-08 11:50:30 AM

Pocket Ninja: The very instant that HBO becomes available as a standalone subscription will be the same instant I cancel cable forever and get by solely with Amazon Prime.


I'd be right there with you.  If Amazon and HBO were to merge, Verizon, Time Warner, and Cox would collectively shiat themselves for this very reason.
 
2013-04-08 11:50:49 AM
I cut the cord a little over two years ago, don't miss it at all. I find quite a bit to watch for free on the 18 over the air stations I get with my outdoor antenna. Also, I watch a lot of "TWiT" and "GFQ" online.

Not going to pay for any streaming services until I get faster bandwidth. Did the free 30-day Netflix trial, but cancelled before billing started, because of excess buffering.
 
2013-04-08 11:55:05 AM

Endive Wombat: - Sitcoms are Reality TV is the lowest form of TV "entertainment"

 
2013-04-08 12:05:11 PM
i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-04-08 12:36:40 PM

albert71292: I cut the cord a little over two years ago, don't miss it at all. I find quite a bit to watch for free on the 18 over the air stations I get with my outdoor antenna. Also, I watch a lot of "TWiT" and "GFQ" online.

Not going to pay for any streaming services until I get faster bandwidth. Did the free 30-day Netflix trial, but cancelled before billing started, because of excess buffering.


I do Netflix for the occasional movie and nature documentary, and then antenna for football. The Blackhawks have a contract with Comcast Sports Net, but HD hockey games aren't worth $70/month, so I just stream.
 
2013-04-08 12:39:18 PM
I put my television sets on the curb a couple of years ago and have not looked back.

I'll use Hulu and Netflix on occasion, but I'm done with "TV".

Suck it, broadcasters.
 
2013-04-08 12:40:04 PM
'Buttcracks of Bel-Air' is ok, but I prefer 'Wedgies of the West,'  the reality show about cowboys who wear their jeans too tight.
 
2013-04-08 12:40:54 PM
My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?
 
2013-04-08 12:41:01 PM
I tried watching friggin' TV last night. Turned it off and watched Saudi drifting videos on the tablet instead. Yes, it's just as stupid.
 
2013-04-08 12:41:19 PM
Oh boy, a TV hate thread.  This should be good.
 
2013-04-08 12:41:44 PM
I picked up a free TV off of a curb a couple of years ago and then got another subscription from Dish so now I have 2 tvs next to each other and I just constantly watch reality shows and all that stuff.
 
2013-04-08 12:41:57 PM
I cut the cord over 4 years ago. I get my entertainment from the Internet. Like FARK. Which makes me stupider than people who watch Honey Boo boo
 
2013-04-08 12:42:30 PM

Endive Wombat: - Sitcoms are the lowest form of TV "entertainment"


Sorry these low end reality shows are the lowest. Pawn shops, garbage pickers, storage locker clean out and chefs cooking with veal, brussle sprouts and captin crunch as a contest.
 
2013-04-08 12:42:39 PM
After over 10 years, I am kind of to the point where I don't even watch DVDs or NetFlix anymore or I watch Repo Man over and over again. I watched 10 minutes of Big Bang Theory the other day and I can't believe that anyone is watching it without some kind of incentive or their families are being held hostage or something. TV is like religion to me, it's just not something that has a part in my life or something I really think about except when I post about how I don't have a TV.

I will say this, though. I am not trained to be around them any more. I can't ignore TVs in the wild. I wind up just staring.
 
2013-04-08 12:43:00 PM
That is explains why the farkheads at FX have started putting ads in the shows they distribute digitally.  Now if you buy Archer off iTunes, Amazon, or Google Play you get the honor of forever storing HD ads on your hard drive for FX.

/apparently FX things I somehow forgot how torrents work just because I was playing nice and buying things legally
 
2013-04-08 12:43:25 PM
Also, it's amazing how many people want to give you a TV when they find out that you don't have one. It's difficult for some people to wrap their head around that someone would choose to go without one.
 
2013-04-08 12:43:25 PM
So if I'm reading this right...TV is slowly moving from being broadcast to being streamed over the internet.  And broadcasters are trying to come up with a way they can still get a cut, for not broadcasting.  Hm.
 
2013-04-08 12:44:25 PM

santadog: Netflix.  That is all.


and torrents....
 
2013-04-08 12:44:28 PM

albert71292: I cut the cord a little over two years ago, don't miss it at all. I find quite a bit to watch for free on the 18 over the air stations I get with my outdoor antenna. Also, I watch a lot of "TWiT" and "GFQ" online.

Not going to pay for any streaming services until I get faster bandwidth. Did the free 30-day Netflix trial, but cancelled before billing started, because of excess buffering.


Try this.
 
2013-04-08 12:45:15 PM
The day I can get internet cheaper without basic cable than with is the day I cut the cord completely.
 
2013-04-08 12:45:51 PM
I just signed up with cable again after a few years without, primarily for Game of Thrones and F1 broadcasts. And I've promptly rediscovered that TV sucks. There are LOTS of great TV shows out there, but with the sheer amount of content available through cable, they're few and far between, and I can't watch them when I want.

Google fiber is coming to town though, so after this season of GoT is over, I might hang loose and see what Time Warner is willing to do to keep me as a customer...
 
2013-04-08 12:46:03 PM
addons.cdn.mozilla.net

Marketers fark off. Your advertising budget does not give you divine right to my attention.
 
2013-04-08 12:46:29 PM
Somehow AT&T decided to trollolo myself right back to cable after hitting me up for an extra $40/month because of Netflix, Hulu Plus, and my friend's slingbox.  Real great service we have here in 'merica! >.<

sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-04-08 12:47:03 PM
I got rid of my TV five years ago.  I don't even do Hulu or Netflix.  If, for some godforsaken reason, I become desperate to know whether Don Draper has hooked up with Cersei Lannister then I will look it up on the internet.
 
2013-04-08 12:47:23 PM

busy chillin': I picked up a free TV off of a curb a couple of years ago and then got another subscription from Dish so now I have 2 tvs next to each other and I just constantly watch reality shows and all that stuff.


lmao
 
2013-04-08 12:47:41 PM

Endive Wombat: - Asking me to pay somewhere between $150-$200+ per month, plus $45 per month for high speed internet is insane! Especially considering of the ~500 or so available channels being offered, both my wife and I only watch maybe, MAYBE 10-15 of them.


Do some people actually pay that? I pay $110 for cable and internet with HBO and a DVR. I was considering cutting that down to just internet because it's too much. If someone threw the prices you're talking about at me, I'd have never even considered getting cable.
 
2013-04-08 12:48:39 PM
i50.tinypic.com

I only keep cable for the porn. But I don't pay extra for it.
 
2013-04-08 12:49:12 PM

Queensowntalia: 'Buttcracks of Bel-Air' is ok, but I prefer 'Wedgies of the West,'  the reality show about cowboys who wear their jeans too tight.


Netflix, Amazon Prime, Crackle

I haven't had cable in over a year, upped my TW cable to highest possible speed and still saving $75+ a month...

And if HBO would get off their high horse and open HBOGo to the general public, i'd even pay up to $15/month just for their service...

I think the fact that Game of Thrones was the highest downloaded show of all time should be a clear indicator that opening up GO to general admission would be in their financial best interest...
 
2013-04-08 12:49:19 PM

thurstonxhowell: Endive Wombat: - Asking me to pay somewhere between $150-$200+ per month, plus $45 per month for high speed internet is insane! Especially considering of the ~500 or so available channels being offered, both my wife and I only watch maybe, MAYBE 10-15 of them.

Do some people actually pay that? I pay $110 for cable and internet with HBO and a DVR. I was considering cutting that down to just internet because it's too much. If someone threw the prices you're talking about at me, I'd have never even considered getting cable.


I pay $120/month for TWC 200, one HD DVR box, one basic analog cable drop, and 30mbps Internet.  I don't know how you could spend $200+/month without upgrading to the 50mbps TWC (or 105mpbs Comcast), or buying every sports package known to man.
 
2013-04-08 12:49:35 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: After over 10 years, I am kind of to the point where I don't even watch DVDs or NetFlix anymore or I watch Repo Man over and over again. I watched 10 minutes of Big Bang Theory the other day and I can't believe that anyone is watching it without some kind of incentive or their families are being held hostage or something. TV is like religion to me, it's just not something that has a part in my life or something I really think about except when I post about how I don't have a TV.

I will say this, though. I am not trained to be around them any more. I can't ignore TVs in the wild. I wind up just staring.


http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-constantly-mentioning-he-d oe snt-own-a-tel,429/
 
2013-04-08 12:49:49 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: I got rid of my TV five years ago.  I don't even do Hulu or Netflix.  If, for some godforsaken reason, I become desperate to know whether Don Draper has hooked up with Cersei Lannister then I will look it up on the internet.


Thanks, Area Man.
 
2013-04-08 12:49:55 PM
History Channel, gone shiat.
Discovery, gone shiat
Even National Geographic, gone shiat.

I wonder why people are just giving up on TV...
 
2013-04-08 12:50:00 PM
Bravo is the most useless channel on cable TV, and I include Lifetime in that assessment.
 
2013-04-08 12:50:00 PM
I'm curious to hear what "Area Man" has to say about all this.
 
2013-04-08 12:50:36 PM

giftedmadness: santadog: Netflix.  That is all.

and torrents....


and this paddle ball...
 
2013-04-08 12:50:38 PM
When someone figures out how to put the Jeopardy! on the web without having Sony deliver a C&D every farking five minutes...
 
2013-04-08 12:51:41 PM

jonr: History Channel, gone shiat.
Discovery, gone shiat
Even National Geographic, gone shiat.

I wonder why people are just giving up on TV...


I do H2 and The Science Channel now.  The only thing interesting on NatGeo is Alaska State Troopers, but that's just a redneck version of Cops.  At least H2 and TSC still show documentaries about space exploration and physics stuff.
 
2013-04-08 12:52:17 PM
Their solution will probably involve  bribing making campaign contributions to enough congressmen to make net neutrality go away. Then they'll be free to seriously throttle traffic that might compete with cable (sorry, citizen, but Netflix only comes down our cable at 14.4 kbps). They aren't meeting to figure out how to adapt, these people are just as bad as RIAA and the MPAA.
 
2013-04-08 12:52:29 PM

jimb213: Google fiber is coming to town though, so after this season of GoT is over, I might hang loose and see what Time Warner is willing to do to keep me as a customer...


Unless they are willing to send over an 18 year old Japanese girl to suck your dick nightly, you need tell Time Warner to fark off. Google fiber will kick ass.
 
2013-04-08 12:52:29 PM
I pay $100+/ month for

>NatGeo Wild
> ESPN
> Cable News
> HBO - to see the occasional series like "Curb" and for Bill Maher
> DisneyXD - for the boy

*Sigh*
 
2013-04-08 12:52:30 PM

Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?


PS3

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Crackle, Anime Alley, VUDU + Blue Ray, Dvd, and 3D, as well as able to view and play files from any windows media server or online cloud media server...
 
2013-04-08 12:52:50 PM

rdyb: [addons.cdn.mozilla.net image 64x64]

Marketers fark off. Your advertising budget does not give you divine right to my attention.


Your attention is the product that television sold to the marketers.  The marketers are just trying to find a way to maximize what they've paid for.
 
2013-04-08 12:53:14 PM
Ever since signals switched to digital I haven't been able to get a steady stream (i.e. a show will play for 5 seconds, pause for 10 seconds, play for another 5, etc...) I could build a gaudy monstrosity outside my apartment that might help me get a better signal, but I won't and I'm sure as hell not going to shell out for basic cable. All of the shows I've seen for the last few years have only been on Netflix, commercial free, and life has gone on just fine.

I do not miss the whole "one minute of commercials for every three minutes of programming" one bit.
 
2013-04-08 12:53:17 PM
Only tv i watch is sports, and more often than not, i get it from the internet.
 
2013-04-08 12:53:19 PM
I think there's a difference between TV and TV programming some people aren't making. I love watching TV shows. I don't love watching TV.

With Netflix (and other dubious legal resources) you get the show, and that's that. With TV you get the show and nonstop ads for the network's next Honey Boo Boo show and the latest "Best in Class" whatever car white noise and people drinking bud light on a fake beach it's just garbage.

I like having access to what I do like - i think plenty of sitcoms are fine and far from the "lowest" TV has to offer, like Parks and Rec and Curb and Always Sunny and Seinfeld. I don't like having all the rider shiat shoved down my throat in the meantime, like 5000 singing competitions where losers get voted off.

TV producers will never want to explore alternative pricing structures though. It means they have to change their perspective and it might mean they aren't the smartest guy in the room anymore. They can't stand that. The customer isn't right in their eyes.

/Haven't cut cord, but sports is the only reason
 
2013-04-08 12:54:03 PM
TVs are for people who still can't attach a photo to an email.  Like my parents.
 
2013-04-08 12:55:12 PM

jonr: History Channel, gone shiat.
Discovery, gone shiat
Even National Geographic, gone shiat.

I wonder why people are just giving up on TV...


THIS. Hey Discovery Channel, can I get a few more episodes of the same show? I missed it the first 37 times.
 
2013-04-08 12:55:36 PM

Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs.


It's not your television viewing habits that we hate.
 
2013-04-08 12:55:40 PM

santadog: TVs are for people who still can't attach a photo to an email.  Like my parents.

 
2013-04-08 12:55:55 PM

seadoo2006: Somehow AT&T decided to trollolo myself right back to cable after hitting me up for an extra $40/month because of Netflix, Hulu Plus, and my friend's slingbox.  Real great service we have here in 'merica! >.<

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x342]


AT&T even giving you the speeds promised?I doubt it.I'm still unsure how these companies can legally sell false speeds or verbally tell you something is "unlimited" while slipping in the contract that is really isn't "unlimited".
 
2013-04-08 12:56:23 PM

santadog: TVs are for people who still can't attach a photo to an email.  Like my parents.



Well, why don't you go upstairs and help them, son?
 
2013-04-08 12:56:33 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i50.tinypic.com image 600x451]

I only keep cable for the porn. But I don't pay extra for it.


oyster.ignimgs.com

/One of the best shows ever made and it's not going to be on TV.
 
2013-04-08 12:56:39 PM
dangit...there was supposed to a photo attached. WTF?!?!
 
2013-04-08 12:57:36 PM

lilplatinum: SockMonkeyHolocaust: After over 10 years, I am kind of to the point where I don't even watch DVDs or NetFlix anymore or I watch Repo Man over and over again. I watched 10 minutes of Big Bang Theory the other day and I can't believe that anyone is watching it without some kind of incentive or their families are being held hostage or something. TV is like religion to me, it's just not something that has a part in my life or something I really think about except when I post about how I don't have a TV.

I will say this, though. I am not trained to be around them any more. I can't ignore TVs in the wild. I wind up just staring.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-constantly-mentioning-he-d oe snt-own-a-tel,429/


That article claims the man lived with his gf when he was 13.  It's probably fake.
 
2013-04-08 12:57:57 PM

gambitsgirl: I cut the cord over 4 years ago. I get my entertainment from the Internet. Like FARK. Which makes me stupider than people who watch Honey Boo boo


Welcome home!
 
2013-04-08 12:58:04 PM
Goddamn, I can't remember the last time I had broadcast TV on, and I don't have cable either.

Just Internet. And Netflix for the kids. And Minecraft. And Diablo 3 for me. But those games I just play in the evening after the sun goes down and the yard work and housework are done, and the kids are in bed.
 
2013-04-08 12:58:41 PM

CeroX: Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?

PS3

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Crackle, Anime Alley, VUDU + Blue Ray, Dvd, and 3D, as well as able to view and play files from any windows media server or online cloud media server...


Yeah ... until Sony decides that the legal movie you're watching is illegal ... almost punted my PS3 out the window.  I use a WD Live Box now ... 10x better.  Fark Sony ... those douchebags.

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-04-08 12:58:55 PM
In market MLB games for my team are only on cable. It's the old thing holding me back :-/
 
2013-04-08 12:59:16 PM

beta_plus: ha-ha-guy: That is explains why the farkheads at FX have started putting ads in the shows they distribute digitally.  Now if you buy Archer off iTunes, Amazon, or Google Play you get the honor of forever storing HD ads on your hard drive for FX.

/apparently FX things I somehow forgot how torrents work just because I was playing nice and buying things legally

It's just promos for their other shows.  Not really any different than having trailers on a DVD.


DVDs don't occupy hard drive space on my media PC and can normally be skipped via hitting the "Top Menu" button. 10 seconds of HD ad per show is going to add up to a significant amount of hard drive space and there is no easy way to jump over it aside from moving your cursor along the time bar and finding a frame where the ad appears over.
 
2013-04-08 12:59:29 PM
Note to cord cutters: You can get a decent VPN service for $5 a month and "brand name" distribution groups like eztv actually have RSS feeds so you can automate downloading TV shows.
 
2013-04-08 01:00:02 PM

beta_plus: Once sports, especially the NFL and Premier League, goes completely online, network TV is dead.  The ones that survive will follow a Studio model, where basically they're just venture capitalists.

/only time I watch network TV is at the bar to watch the game
//maybe it's just me, but it seemed like NBC Nightly News has just become a nightly 1/2 hour obituary for the famous people its remaining audience remembers


It won't be long before the broadcast networks in particular realize that thier business model needs to fundamanetally change, and "Network Programming" becomes a thing of the past.  Sooner of later the Network suits are going to realize that buying shows, essentially paying someoneone else to air their content, especially while  the show's producers get all the back-end revenue like syndication rights, streaming rights, DVD sales, etc is insane.  Why take all the risks of trying to pick winning and losing shows, and do all the grunt work of selling ads for them, when you could do something so much simplier, almost as profitable, and with zero risk?  In other words SELL your airtime to the highest bidders.  Producer X or Studio Y thinks they have a breakaway hit?  Fine. Pay me for the 8:00-9:00 hour on my network and find out.   If you're right you'll get all that sweet ad time revnue to keep, plus all the Hulu, Netflix, DVD sales etc money.  If you're wrog?  well the ratings flop takes YOU down but the network gets paid regardless.   Not only would it stabilize revenues for the networks, but producers who love a show that's getting declining ratings but nearing a milestone can decide when THEY want to pull the plug.  Maybe it's worth having crappy rating for a season if it'll get you over the magic 100-episode mark needed for syndication.   Or maybe you're willing to take a hit for half-a-seaso or so while the "buzz" about your show begins to build.  Think how different things might have been if Joss wheedon had been paying Fox to air  Firefly  and so HE was the one in charge of in what order episodes ran, and when the ratings meant  he was ready to pull the plug.
 
2013-04-08 01:00:09 PM
I don't watch T.V. at all!!  I'm just so intellectually superior, I entertain myself solely via my various Apple products.  Unfortunately, I  do have to wear a Lecter mask to stop gay men from shoving their cocks into my mouth when I'm out in public.
 
2013-04-08 01:01:50 PM

Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?


We cut the chord.  We use a regular PC hooked up to our TV and use that for everything.  We have a wireless keyboard with track pad (Logitech Dinovo Edge) and a standard programmable universal remote (again a nice Logitech product, but I don't know the model off hand) for the sound system and everything else.  It is as simple as using your own computer.  There is no need for a specialized "dumbed down TV device" thing like a Roku unless you just want to use a remote with no keyboard.
 
2013-04-08 01:02:33 PM
Anyone who owns a TV but haven't turned it on in years also tends to:

1. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac
 
2013-04-08 01:03:10 PM

seadoo2006: CeroX: Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?

PS3

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Crackle, Anime Alley, VUDU + Blue Ray, Dvd, and 3D, as well as able to view and play files from any windows media server or online cloud media server...

Yeah ... until Sony decides that the legal movie you're watching is illegal ... almost punted my PS3 out the window.  I use a WD Live Box now ... 10x better.  Fark Sony ... those douchebags.

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x637]


uh, i've only gotten that from movies i've gotten from "someone else"...

I found i can play those on a 360 no problem... but for the person asking, a PS3 is probably the best one stop shop device, and you get to play games too... so...
 
2013-04-08 01:03:11 PM
Wake me up when the cable conglomerates don't have banana-republic-like-stranglehold on internet access.  Give them credit, they saw this coming before the content providers did.  We need a new TComm act...
 
2013-04-08 01:03:55 PM

lilplatinum: SockMonkeyHolocaust: After over 10 years, I am kind of to the point where I don't even watch DVDs or NetFlix anymore or I watch Repo Man over and over again. I watched 10 minutes of Big Bang Theory the other day and I can't believe that anyone is watching it without some kind of incentive or their families are being held hostage or something. TV is like religion to me, it's just not something that has a part in my life or something I really think about except when I post about how I don't have a TV.

I will say this, though. I am not trained to be around them any more. I can't ignore TVs in the wild. I wind up just staring.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-constantly-mentioning-he-d oe snt-own-a-tel,429/


I guess that's an adequate response if you don't remember Steve Dallas overdosing on TV after being beaten up by Sean Penn. Good for you for quoting a popular comedy website? I guess?
 
2013-04-08 01:04:12 PM
Fresh what of where?
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-08 01:04:23 PM

CeroX: Queensowntalia: 'Buttcracks of Bel-Air' is ok, but I prefer 'Wedgies of the West,'  the reality show about cowboys who wear their jeans too tight.

Netflix, Amazon Prime, Crackle

I haven't had cable in over a year, upped my TW cable to highest possible speed and still saving $75+ a month...

And if HBO would get off their high horse and open HBOGo to the general public, i'd even pay up to $15/month just for their service...

I think the fact that Game of Thrones was the highest downloaded show of all time should be a clear indicator that opening up GO to general admission would be in their financial best interest...


If I could bundle Netflix with Go for a decent price, I would.  I just expect HBO to charge an excessive price for it (like $30/month considering what Prime and Netflix go for).
 
2013-04-08 01:04:43 PM
How do you know if one of your friends doesn't have a TV?

Just wait, they'll tell you.
 
2013-04-08 01:04:44 PM

jonr: History Channel, gone shiat.
Discovery, gone shiat
Even National Geographic, gone shiat.

I wonder why people are just giving up on TV...


My philosophy is as long as you can find one thing, anywhere on the dial, worth watching in any given timeslot, you're good to go. Doesn't matter if 149 of the 150 channels suck. If the 150th channel is worthwhile, you're only going to be watching one channel at a time anyway, so what's it matter what's on the other 149?

(By the way, I have it on good authority that something good should be coming down the pike soon at National Geographic. Watch for the name Mariana van Zeller. Don't know the name of the show.)
 
2013-04-08 01:04:44 PM

ComicBookGuy: I don't watch T.V. at all!!  I'm just so intellectually superior, I entertain myself solely via my various Apple products.  Unfortunately, I  do have to wear a Lecter mask to stop gay men from shoving their cocks into my mouth when I'm out in public.


I take in that when you're in a private place, you're cool with the gay men shoving cocks into your mouth?
 
2013-04-08 01:05:35 PM
I'm convinced Comcast (Xfinity, whatever) is throttling Netflix. Had to switch to them since my new building is Comcast only (yay monopolies...) and ever since Netflix streaming buffers constantly. Never had an issue with Fios.
 
2013-04-08 01:06:24 PM

DeArmondVI: I do not miss the whole "one minute of commercials for every three minutes of programming" one bit.


Nah, it's worse than that. An hour show minus commercials is 40 minutes, plus a couple depending. So it's 2:1, or slightly better.
 
2013-04-08 01:06:28 PM
I cut the cord about a year ago. The biggest headache comes during football season. But I solved that by watching away games at the bar. The money saved over the year by not having a cable bill covers my bar tab.
 
2013-04-08 01:07:01 PM

santadog: Netflix.  That is all.


Now that Netflix is going to have Adventure Time streaming too, I've lost any reason to keep my cable.
 
2013-04-08 01:07:20 PM
FTFA: "This is a big concern for broadcasters as their ad revenues fall at alarming rates."

github.com

I pay to watch the movie/show/game...NOT the farking commercials.
 
2013-04-08 01:07:36 PM

CeroX: Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?

PS3

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Crackle, Anime Alley, VUDU + Blue Ray, Dvd, and 3D, as well as able to view and play files from any windows media server or online cloud media server...



I've never owned a PS3 in my life. Putting aside Blue Ray, could I get most or all of that with an Xbox (which I own one of already) or a Roku (which I also own one of already, used for Netflix only right now).


I don't need to play my own video off a server. I just don't do that. I rarely if ever rewatch something and if I did, I would just Netflix it.
 
2013-04-08 01:08:09 PM
Broadcast will win back this zero television household when they put on programming this zero television household is actually willing to spend money to watch.

ProTip: If it's reality television in any way shape or form, you fail.
 
2013-04-08 01:08:47 PM
So, which of you bleating Conservatards is against a TV tax again? Spent a summer in Britain and I would GLADLY, hell EXCITEDLY, pay a TV tax for the BBC and all of its programming.  No commercials, hour long programs are actually an hour long, HD ... yeah ... fark the US system.  Give me the BBC, you can have Honey Boo Boo.
 
2013-04-08 01:08:58 PM
I've not investigated the alternatives to TV yet -- probably being old fashioned but I do understand the movement away from it.

As do many here, I pay a bunch for TV cable and I have a whopping number of channels -- of which I can watch only about 10. I have to take a mess of sports channels with my 'tier' even though I don't watch organized sports.

Then, with 20 sports channels, the one program I really like on TV gets pre-empted during basketball season. I also don't speak Spanish and find myself with a bunch of Hispanic channels.

While I do enjoy some reality shows, I hate the ones where all they basically do is squabble, fuss and fight and find ways to screw each other. So, that knocks out every repossession show, that Detroit based Pawn shop, every motorcycle build show along with Storage Wars and those idiots who buy repossessed homes.

Any Ghost Hunter Show is a bunch of BS, full of over acting, easily done special effects and I'm sick of Nightvision video. (I dearly love the group that shows up like a SWAT team: big, chunky men wearing black shirts, baseball caps, climbing out of a van, all grim and serious, to chase a ghost. I'm just surprised they don't pack firearms.)

The Treasure Hunter shows were interesting, where they use metal detectors, but I soon got tired of them finding enough stuff to pay the National Debt. I used a metal detector decades ago to hunt down Spanish Gold along Florida's beaches and you can spend days finding nothing but rusted junk before you even find a quarter.

I'd kill for a great Science-fiction movie. Even a well thought out horror one. The medium seems filled with grade C movies starring folks I never heard of who can't act and depend on badly lit scenes and buckets of fake blood. (I'm looking at you, Syfi Channel.)

I'm not interested in game shows. I've grown weary of the assorted cop shows, with the 'gritty, tough, on-the-line officers' who seem to have more personal problems than the crooks they chase.

I've had my fill of prison shows. Prison is full of bad people. The places themselves suck. Gangs rule. True evil often lurks there. I think I've seen about a million different forms of home made weapons the prisoners churn out like an assembly line and am real tired of burly guys being festooned with tattoos.

I'm tired of intelligence offending commercials. I'm even more tired of the mini-infomercial they attach on the regular commercial break to make it even longer and I'm sick of the new commercial that starts out like a movie preview.

I also hate my show being interrupted by a floating icon advertising an upcoming show.

At least when I select and watch a free movie or TV episode from the Free Channel selections, I can usually fast foreword through the commercials.

Most of all, I hate infomercials, that take over the majority of the channels after midnight. I really hate the professional pitchmen, who make major bucks basically lying their arses off to us.

One more dick pill commercial full of giggly hot women who don't have much in the way of brains pushing a dubious product made mainly of weeds and I might break the screen. The same goes for the Penis Pump and those 'actors' who were apparently grabbed from the nearest homeless community.

The 'Turnaround' scooter song makes me want to barf, especially considering that those things start at around $6000.

I even looked at some of the kid channels and found cartoons that are so creepily made that they're disturbing. (Adventure Time.)

I got tired of 'The Simpsons' a long time ago. (I kept wanting to kill Homer.)

My TV is off most of the time these days. I'm not sure if I could watch full length movies on my computer. After staring at the LED screen for a time, it hurts my eyes and I have to stop. Cell phones and tablets are just too small for good viewing, IMO. My desktop has a bigger screen than my laptop but my eyes aren't all that great anymore and the resolution, IMO, kinds bites for video. (Yeah. I have adjusted it time and time again. However, tilt the screen wrong and you get these weirdly displayed spots in various places.)

My TV is a huge analogue version, not a flat screen. This is my first foray into LED for my desktop PC, having finally gotten rid of the analogue monitor I used for 10 years, when it started wearing out.

Actually, I think we had better TV when we only had 12 channels. I actually miss the old variety shows. I also liked it better when movie companies did not patch together their previews to make the show seem a lot more interesting than it actually was.

Well, excuse me, but I have to replace the onion on my belt and chase the kids off my lawn. They just don't make onions like they used to, either.
 
2013-04-08 01:09:05 PM
My neighbor's wife runs to me at a dinner party at another neighbor's house this weekend and says, I don't see a TV at all in this house. (She's a TeeVee addict)
I said to her, "And you wonder how this guy got to be a millionaire?"
 
2013-04-08 01:09:11 PM

leonel: santadog: Netflix.  That is all.

Now that Netflix is going to have Adventure Time streaming too, I've lost any reason to keep my cable.


algebraic!
 
2013-04-08 01:09:38 PM

Sentient: How do you know if one of your friends doesn't have a TV?

Just wait, they'll tell you.


How do you know when one of your friends has a TV?

Just wait, they'll try to tell you about the latest escapades of some imaginary people, and you'll have to tell them that you don't know what they're talking about. Then they'll ask why you aren't watching it, and you'll have to explain that you just don't have a TV.
 
2013-04-08 01:09:55 PM
I quit cable tv in 1998 and really never looked back until recently.  A rep came by my house offering what sounded like a pretty sweet deal that involved 3 months of free Showtime.  I said "let me get back to you" and he said "this offer is only good for 24 hours so call me back tomorrow before 6pm" and gave me his card.  I perused his sheet of channels i'd get based on packages and services.

Here's what I get now: over-the-air free channels - 20+ HD channels of NBC, ABC, CBS, Discovery, WGN, TBS, 3 x KET channels, MeTV, Classic TV, and several channels i dont use like shopping/weather/library channels.  I honestly only watch 8-10 of them with regularity but still for free its pretty decent.  I live in an apt complex so the antenna on the building is really solid.  No drops except in "tornado warning" level weather.

Here's what the package would have gotten me:  All of those channels plus about 15 more of typical cable (USA, TNT, ESPN, etc) and NONE of them in HD for an extra $15/mth.  I would have been returned to 480p quality.  If I wanted HD it was 2 tiers higher and an extra $60/mth.

I never called him back.  Cable is still stupid and not worth it.  I dont use Hulu, Netflix, or torrents of any kind and I keep up with all of the TV i want.  I do have a 360 and i did just recently get Amazon Prime so I have gotten to watch plenty of new tv shows I didnt have access to but only the seasons from a year or two ago.  The only stuff I REALLY want to watch is on HBO and with news of them maybe going to markets that dont require cable subs I just might get what I want (although it's a guarantee I wont like the price--but we'll see i guess).

But they are now owned by TimeWarner and all plans will change in 2 months, including those of us only on cable internet now and I'm positive it won't be a better deal.
 
2013-04-08 01:10:45 PM
I'd like to become a cord-cutter, but it occurs to me that the 2 biggest ISPs in my area, Cablevision and Verizon, are also the ones delivering the TV content.  I'm betting this is the case in most markets.  Are there really any major ISP-only broadband businesses out there?

If people cutting the [TV] cord migrate to the internet cord to get their streaming content, won't those content companies eventually raise the price for a broadband internet connection to make up for the loss?
 
2013-04-08 01:11:41 PM
You have to be realistic. If all you want to watch is Game of Thrones, given the following choices, what will most people do?

1) pay $150+/month for premium cable - for one show, with ads, airing once at their convenience (no HBOgo or Hulu here in Canada).
2) buy a box set a year later
3) download it instantly, high quality and ad free.

You know that Oatmeal cartoon about this exact thing? That was me.
 
2013-04-08 01:11:44 PM

Phadeguy: Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?

We cut the chord.  We use a regular PC hooked up to our TV and use that for everything.  We have a wireless keyboard with track pad (Logitech Dinovo Edge) and a standard programmable universal remote (again a nice Logitech product, but I don't know the model off hand) for the sound system and everything else.  It is as simple as using your own computer.  There is no need for a specialized "dumbed down TV device" thing like a Roku unless you just want to use a remote with no keyboard.



We are both very computer literate but I don't want to go there. My wife will constantly be asking me where she should go to watch Show X or Show Y. I want something like Tivo: you sit down in front of it and you see a list of all of the shows you want to watch. No hassle, no searching, no remembering which streaming service or website you need to go for a particular show. Plus I just have no interest in computers in our TV rooms. Too much maintenance. Tivo has really spoiled me.
 
2013-04-08 01:11:55 PM

ComicBookGuy: I don't watch T.V. at all!!  I'm just so intellectually superior, I entertain myself solely via my various Apple products.  Unfortunately, I  do have to wear a Lecter mask to stop gay men from shoving their cocks into my mouth when I'm out in public.


You spend a lot of time thinking about having cocks shoved in your mouth don't you?
 
2013-04-08 01:13:04 PM
We cut the "cord" (proverbial one, since we had Dish Network) a couple of months ago.  My wife realized she hadn't watched Dish for a year, and I was really only watching it for English Premiere League football.  Dish had raised our rate by $5 or $10 more per month, so $700/year for a basic package to watch soccer was unjustifiable.

We love our Rokus with the Netflix subscription for our TV and movie needs, and I discovered that a season pass to MLS's online content cost $50, where I can get any MLS game played (blacked out games come on a couple of days later) on either the Roku, my tablet, or any computer, so I switched to watching that league instead.  I hooked up a Mohu OTA antenna should we really need to see something live on broadcast TV, but so far we haven't missed Dish at all.  All I need now is PBS to hurry up and finish their Roku channel so we can watch all that programming as well.
 
2013-04-08 01:13:25 PM

Torchsong: Broadcast will win back this zero television household when they put on programming this zero television household is actually willing to spend money to watch.

ProTip: If it's reality television in any way shape or form, you fail.


Reality TV can be done well and with respect for everyone involved. Go watch Strip Search.
 
2013-04-08 01:14:27 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: gambitsgirl: I cut the cord over 4 years ago. I get my entertainment from the Internet. Like FARK. Which makes me stupider than people who watch Honey Boo boo

Welcome home!


thank you, luv.  Actually came out to troll the TF threads for the local tragedy. Some moms were worried about media at the elementary school and I came out to see how big of a splash the story made.  So far only 2 redlights and really any media that would go to the school to get a 7-year-olds reaction to a friend being crushed to death by 24 foot of dirt offsite would be lynched.
 
2013-04-08 01:14:55 PM
si0.twimg.com


The only thing I need anymore other than Netflix and a couple other freebees
 
2013-04-08 01:15:18 PM
I live in the "country" The only choices are broadcast with 4 channels, Dish, and 5Mbit internet which isn't quite fast enough to stream anything. So I have Dish, and I hate it, most programs are just not watchable due to the 7minute commercial blocks. I don't watch many movies due to time constraints,  So I'll probably drop Dish soon and go and be a  TV less dbag, but I'd have one if it was an option, but I will not deal with DRM or commercials.
 
2013-04-08 01:16:11 PM
Rik01: A WHOLE LOT OF WORDS

wow that's a lot of words
 
2013-04-08 01:16:59 PM

gambitsgirl: TheShavingofOccam123: gambitsgirl: I cut the cord over 4 years ago. I get my entertainment from the Internet. Like FARK. Which makes me stupider than people who watch Honey Boo boo

Welcome home!

thank you, luv.  Actually came out to troll the TF threads for the local tragedy. Some moms were worried about media at the elementary school and I came out to see how big of a splash the story made.  So far only 2 redlights and really any media that would go to the school to get a 7-year-olds reaction to a friend being crushed to death by 24 foot of dirt offsite would be lynched.



that didn't sound right.  Came out to dredge through the TF threads? To see the TF threads? To look at the...  meh nevermind
 
2013-04-08 01:17:24 PM
You have to buy internet somewhere, unless you mooch off a dumb neighbor.

Internet prices are going to go through the roof as more people leave cable tv, and caps for everyone. So, tier pricing will be the norm.
 
2013-04-08 01:17:44 PM

gambitsgirl: gambitsgirl: TheShavingofOccam123: gambitsgirl: I cut the cord over 4 years ago. I get my entertainment from the Internet. Like FARK. Which makes me stupider than people who watch Honey Boo boo

Welcome home!

thank you, luv.  Actually came out to troll the TF threads for the local tragedy. Some moms were worried about media at the elementary school and I came out to see how big of a splash the story made.  So far only 2 redlights and really any media that would go to the school to get a 7-year-olds reaction to a friend being crushed to death by 24 foot of dirt offsite would be lynched.


that didn't sound right.  Came out to dredge through the TF threads? To see the TF threads? To look at the...  meh nevermind


we all know what you meant. sicko.
 
2013-04-08 01:17:55 PM

Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?


Sickbeard plus Couchpotato plus Sabnzbd for your usenet ($10/mo is pretty common for unlimited).  Then add Plex for idiot-proof watching, subtitles, and metadata.  I've got it all set up and it is pretty slick, and basically 99% automated.  I think you can do this on any computer and any OS, but I'm running it on Unraid.  Well worth the time spent setting it up, and the $$$ are real cheap compared to cable.  If your wife can't figure out Plex she doesn't belong near a computer.
 
2013-04-08 01:18:03 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: Just wait, they'll try to tell you about the latest escapades of some imaginary people, and you'll have to tell them that you don't know what they're talking about. Then they'll ask why you aren't watching it, and you'll have to explain that you just don't have a TV.


Kind of like religious people. I feign ignorance of all religions.
They have to start with the concept of God, and prove that first.
They don't get too far.

But I can see how it works, it's like TV.
Enough people are interested in it so it must be important.
Like football. Remember when football won the great war?
Remember when football destroyed Polio?
 
2013-04-08 01:18:05 PM
I would totally get cable, if:

It cost $20/mo
No ads

Frankly, it's just as entertaining to sit around playing videogames all night. Broadcast TV provides almost zero value to my life. Everytime I sit down and a friends house and just watch honey boo boo or some crap I almost feel dirty afterwards.
 
2013-04-08 01:18:15 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Also, it's amazing how many people want to give you a TV when they find out that you don't have one. It's difficult for some people to wrap their head around that someone would choose to go without one.


Sounds like a plan.

"I don't have a TV."
"You're kidding.  Have a free TV."
*sell TV*
"I don't have a TV."
"You're kidding....
 
2013-04-08 01:18:23 PM

ahwahoo2006: I'm convinced Comcast (Xfinity, whatever) is throttling Netflix. Had to switch to them since my new building is Comcast only (yay monopolies...) and ever since Netflix streaming buffers constantly. Never had an issue with Fios.


yes they do... If you have a streaming device do this:

1 - go to one of the speed test websites and check your DL and UL speeds
2 - start up your streaming device and play something on netflix
3 - wait for all buffering and the program to begin playing and then hit PAUSE
4 - walk over to your pc and check the speed test website again

Most of the stuff i've read about in forums show results that the speed tests performed in this manner with comcast show a 66% throttle in speed

I've performed the same test having TW and i've had no throttling issues...
 
2013-04-08 01:18:42 PM

Rik01: I've not investigated the alternatives to TV yet -- probably being old fashioned but I do understand the movement away from it.

As do many here, I pay a bunch for TV cable and I have a whopping number of channels -- of which I can watch only about 10. I have to take a mess of sports channels with my 'tier' even though I don't watch organized sports.

Then, with 20 sports channels, the one program I really like on TV gets pre-empted during basketball season. I also don't speak Spanish and find myself with a bunch of Hispanic channels.

While I do enjoy some reality shows, I hate the ones where all they basically do is squabble, fuss and fight and find ways to screw each other. So, that knocks out every repossession show, that Detroit based Pawn shop, every motorcycle build show along with Storage Wars and those idiots who buy repossessed homes.

Any Ghost Hunter Show is a bunch of BS, full of over acting, easily done special effects and I'm sick of Nightvision video. (I dearly love the group that shows up like a SWAT team: big, chunky men wearing black shirts, baseball caps, climbing out of a van, all grim and serious, to chase a ghost. I'm just surprised they don't pack firearms.)

The Treasure Hunter shows were interesting, where they use metal detectors, but I soon got tired of them finding enough stuff to pay the National Debt. I used a metal detector decades ago to hunt down Spanish Gold along Florida's beaches and you can spend days finding nothing but rusted junk before you even find a quarter.

I'd kill for a great Science-fiction movie. Even a well thought out horror one. The medium seems filled with grade C movies starring folks I never heard of who can't act and depend on badly lit scenes and buckets of fake blood. (I'm looking at you, Syfi Channel.)

I'm not interested in game shows. I've grown weary of the assorted cop shows, with the 'gritty, tough, on-the-line officers' who seem to have more personal problems than the crooks they chase.

I've had my fill of prison shows. Prison is full of bad people. The places themselves suck. Gangs rule. True evil often lurks there. I think I've seen about a million different forms of home made weapons the prisoners churn out like an assembly line and am real tired of burly guys being festooned with tattoos.

I'm tired of intelligence offending commercials. I'm even more tired of the mini-infomercial they attach on the regular commercial break to make it even longer and I'm sick of the new commercial that starts out like a movie preview.

I also hate my show being interrupted by a floating icon advertising an upcoming show.

At least when I select and watch a free movie or TV episode from the Free Channel selections, I can usually fast foreword through the commercials.

Most of all, I hate infomercials, that take over the majority of the channels after midnight. I really hate the professional pitchmen, who make major bucks basically lying their arses off to us.

One more dick pill commercial full of giggly hot women who don't have much in the way of brains pushing a dubious product made mainly of weeds and I might break the screen. The same goes for the Penis Pump and those 'actors' who were apparently grabbed from the nearest homeless community.

The 'Turnaround' scooter song makes me want to barf, especially considering that those things start at around $6000.

I even looked at some of the kid channels and found cartoons that are so creepily made that they're disturbing. (Adventure Time.)

I got tired of 'The Simpsons' a long time ago. (I kept wanting to kill Homer.)

My TV is off most of the time these days. I'm not sure if I could watch full length movies on my computer. After staring at the LED screen for a time, it hurts my eyes and I have to stop. Cell phones and tablets are just too small for good viewing, IMO. My desktop has a bigger screen than my laptop but my eyes aren't all that great anymore and the resolution, IMO, kinds bites for video. (Yeah. I have adjusted it time and time again. However, tilt the screen wrong and you get these weirdly displayed spots in various places.)

My TV is a huge analogue version, not a flat screen. This is my first foray into LED for my desktop PC, having finally gotten rid of the analogue monitor I used for 10 years, when it started wearing out.

Actually, I think we had better TV when we only had 12 channels. I actually miss the old variety shows. I also liked it better when movie companies did not patch together their previews to make the show seem a lot more interesting than it actually was.

Well, excuse me, but I have to replace the onion on my belt and chase the kids off my lawn. They just don't make onions like they used to, either.


I thought you needed some time to get a die Bart die tattoo, as that is the voice I read the post in
 
2013-04-08 01:18:50 PM
I live inside a half-sphere of leaky CRTs that constantly stream top picks from liveleak, cnn.com, the secret manga genre on netflix, and the gigabytes of animated crusher porn I've collected since I got my first PC in 1989. But I don't watch TV.
 
2013-04-08 01:19:14 PM
Along with Netflix and Amazon....

Ripped dvds + Roku + Plex = win

Torrents are good, too.
 
2013-04-08 01:19:54 PM

Jument: I've never owned a PS3 in my life. Putting aside Blue Ray, could I get most or all of that with an Xbox (which I own one of already) or a Roku (which I also own one of already, used for Netflix only right now).


You have to pay for an Xbox Live Gold access to access any channels, so you are essentially paying ddouble for the service...
 
2013-04-08 01:21:01 PM

kronicfeld: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]


TV is a nickname, and nicknames are for friends.  Television is no friend of of mine!
 
2013-04-08 01:23:10 PM
The networks just need to lobby congress for the MUSTWATCH Act that requires every home to have a television with at least basic cable.  Tack it on to the bills that require everybody to buy at least 6 CDs and DVDs a year and 2 airline tickets.
 
2013-04-08 01:23:45 PM
twimg0-a.akamaihd.net
This makes TV enjoyable again. Living on the West coast, I often have shows ready to watch before they've even aired in this time zone, and with all of the commercials stripped. The only thing that keeps this system from being perfect are the idiots at thetvdb who refuse to follow the schedule conventions that every other person online uses for a handful of shows.
 
2013-04-08 01:24:58 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: You have to be realistic. If all you want to watch is Game of Thrones, given the following choices, what will most people do?

1) pay $150+/month for premium cable - for one show, with ads, airing once at their convenience (no HBOgo or Hulu here in Canada).
2) buy a box set a year later
3) download it instantly, high quality and ad free.

You know that Oatmeal cartoon about this exact thing? That was me.


GoT has ads on it on HBO?
 
2013-04-08 01:25:43 PM

Andrew Wiggin: gambitsgirl: gambitsgirl: TheShavingofOccam123: gambitsgirl: I cut the cord over 4 years ago. I get my entertainment from the Internet. Like FARK. Which makes me stupider than people who watch Honey Boo boo

Welcome home!

thank you, luv.  Actually came out to troll the TF threads for the local tragedy. Some moms were worried about media at the elementary school and I came out to see how big of a splash the story made.  So far only 2 redlights and really any media that would go to the school to get a 7-year-olds reaction to a friend being crushed to death by 24 foot of dirt offsite would be lynched.


that didn't sound right.  Came out to dredge through the TF threads? To see the TF threads? To look at the...  meh nevermind

we all know what you meant. sicko.


my sickness is part of my charm.  At least I didn't make a "dig through" joke at the dead kids expense
 
2013-04-08 01:26:11 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: You have to be realistic. If all you want to watch is Game of Thrones, given the following choices, what will most people do?

1) pay $150+/month for premium cable - for one show, with ads, airing once at their convenience (no HBOgo or Hulu here in Canada).
2) buy a box set a year later
3) download it instantly, high quality and ad free.

You know that Oatmeal cartoon about this exact thing? That was me.


Also, don't most cable operators offer On Demand HBO, so you can watch the shows whenever you want?
 
2013-04-08 01:26:19 PM
There's actually some really good shows on YouTube.  Like Penny Arcade's "StripSearch", for example.  Or anything on the Nerdist channel.
 
2013-04-08 01:27:54 PM
 
2013-04-08 01:30:30 PM

Jument: We are both very computer literate but I don't want to go there. My wife will constantly be asking me where she should go to watch Show X or Show Y. I want something like Tivo: you sit down in front of it and you see a list of all of the shows you want to watch. No hassle, no searching, no remembering which streaming service or website you need to go for a particular show. Plus I just have no interest in computers in our TV rooms. Too much maintenance. Tivo has really spoiled me.


Honestly, as much as you want to cut the cord, it sounds like Tivo is really perfect for you. At the moment, there's no real similar experience elsewhere.  It's possible to watch pretty much any show or sports broadcast using other means, but the cord cutting world has not quite gotten that seamless yet.

Speaking of suggestions, anyone have any input on a high-quality DVR for broadcast television? Ideally with no subscription fees.... I know about the Boxee TV, but don't want to pay $15/month.
 
2013-04-08 01:30:36 PM

gambitsgirl: TheShavingofOccam123: gambitsgirl: I cut the cord over 4 years ago. I get my entertainment from the Internet. Like FARK. Which makes me stupider than people who watch Honey Boo boo

Welcome home!

thank you, luv.  Actually came out to troll the TF threads for the local tragedy. Some moms were worried about media at the elementary school and I came out to see how big of a splash the story made.  So far only 2 redlights and really any media that would go to the school to get a 7-year-olds reaction to a friend being crushed to death by 24 foot of dirt offsite would be lynched.


I literally just watched a CNN piece about that.
 
2013-04-08 01:31:39 PM

YodaBlues: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i50.tinypic.com image 600x451]

I only keep cable for the porn. But I don't pay extra for it.

[oyster.ignimgs.com image 500x285]

/One of the best shows ever made and it's not going to be on TV.


You joke, but this is another reason why broadcast TV is dying.  There's no way to accurately calculate your viewership numbers if a show is broadcast.  On the contrary, with a pull system (cough, on demand streaming), you can calculate your viewership demand 100% accurately.

It might seem fairly trivial.  But when you get TV execs making decisions to cut shows based on conjured up viewership numbers, you get things like Arrested Development being cut.  There's a significant population of viewers out there (between ages 15-35) whose use of unreported on-demand access (via torrenting, netflix, hulu, project free tv, etc) don't factor into the reports those tv execs are reading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_ratings
 
2013-04-08 01:32:59 PM

ausfahrk: animated crusher porn


Wesley or Beverly?  Actually, nevermind.  I don't really want to know either way.
 
2013-04-08 01:33:04 PM
Count me in the "only watches TV for sports" brigade. Though I find it sad how many sports teams have gone to cable-only networks with few if any broadcast games anymore (the Bulls and Blackhawks used to get a game or so a week on local WGN; haven't seen one there in a while now). Netflix is pure awesome, though I can envision a future where Madison Avenue types make them an offer too good to refuse, and we wind up with ads on Netflix. That would be the day my Netflix subscription ends.
 
2013-04-08 01:35:10 PM
All of my video is streamed or OTA. I live close enough to a major city center that a $10 indoor antenna gives me a strong signal on all HD channels. I bought a HDHomeRun dual which has two tuners and sends TV around my network. I use an old PC as a DVR and can watch that recorded content as well as live TV on any machine in my home. I can strip out the commercials and re-encode the content to h.264 for easy archiving when I want.

seadoo2006: Somehow AT&T decided to trollolo myself right back to cable after hitting me up for an extra $40/month because of Netflix, Hulu Plus, and my friend's slingbox.  Real great service we have here in 'merica! >.<

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x342]


When I moved into my current residence I gave Comcast a call. They said it would take 3 weeks to get an install appointment. I suppose that's because I happened to move 10 minutes away from a major university in September. Still, AT&T was able to come out the next day so they got my money. Then they instituted the cap, and combined with lousy service, sent me back to Comcast. It sure would be nice if I had a third option...
 
2013-04-08 01:37:22 PM

Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?


We just moved and I was waiting to get cable. Then after weighing the pros and cons, I spent $70 on a Roku box and it's awesome. I pay $15 month between Netflix and Hulu+, which gives me access to most of my shows the day after. For some shows, I pay $2 to download them from Amazon. But overall, a huge savings over the $100 we were spending on cable.
 
2013-04-08 01:37:30 PM
I paid the early cancellation fee to get DirectTV out of my life. Nearly every month they would try to add additional packages I did not order and other sneaky tactics to increase my bill. Screw those scumbags. I am content for now with just Netflix. I miss a few things, but don't care enough to have my life ruled by TV programming.
 
2013-04-08 01:38:17 PM

cfreak: In market MLB games for my team are only on cable. It's the old thing holding me back :-/


DirecTV's baseball package is the only thing keeping me on satellite. That and I really like everything going through the TiVo interface.
 
2013-04-08 01:38:34 PM
The tv guide would be most accurate if it just said 'commercials' for every channel.

Make a random number generator, pick 10 numbers from 1-60. For each number, tune to a channel at that minute of the hour. Over 50% of the time result = commercial.
 
2013-04-08 01:38:45 PM

blackminded: gambitsgirl: TheShavingofOccam123: gambitsgirl: I cut the cord over 4 years ago. I get my entertainment from the Internet. Like FARK. Which makes me stupider than people who watch Honey Boo boo

Welcome home!

thank you, luv.  Actually came out to troll the TF threads for the local tragedy. Some moms were worried about media at the elementary school and I came out to see how big of a splash the story made.  So far only 2 redlights and really any media that would go to the school to get a 7-year-olds reaction to a friend being crushed to death by 24 foot of dirt offsite would be lynched.

I literally just watched a CNN piece about that.


The news is coming out slowly here.  Most of the moms just really wanted to know who it was and what class they were in since the news wasn't announced until after they went to school (we knew someone was dead but not who). Of course the parents were worried about how the 7-year-olds were going to be told or if they were going to be told or if some asstard cable news company was going to try to get a sick reaction from the kids on campus.

All we really know is he was trying to build something (rumored to be a new home to get them out of the old trailer) and the kids were playing in the hole (possibly with a pick axe to "help daddy") and it caved in.  I talked to one of the search and rescue people a little while ago but really none of it will be answered for a while.  Basically he Darwined the kids in a horrible way but it appears to be a pure case of trying-to-do-right-but-failing Darwin.

*i do not personally know them and they could be total shiattards but my friend who taught the boy said his smile would light up the room and he was an awesome kid
 
2013-04-08 01:41:47 PM

germ78: Count me in the "only watches TV for sports" brigade. Though I find it sad how many sports teams have gone to cable-only networks with few if any broadcast games anymore (the Bulls and Blackhawks used to get a game or so a week on local WGN; haven't seen one there in a while now). Netflix is pure awesome, though I can envision a future where Madison Avenue types make them an offer too good to refuse, and we wind up with ads on Netflix. That would be the day my Netflix subscription ends.


There are a lot of legal ways around that now.  If you want to watch the home team, all their games will be on local network stations that you can get on antenna for free in HD.  If you root for another team, there are services you can get on you PC or gaming console that will let you stream the games live for a fee.

The only issue I've had with it is NFL Sunday Ticket doesn't show MNF, so I just went to the sports bar with friends every Monday night.
 
2013-04-08 01:43:37 PM
OH! Reminds me, the other day I had mtv on for the first time in 20 yrs because half baked was on and nothing better elsewhere.

HOLY shiat is every commercial designed to make you feel inadequate! I can't believe one even went so far as to suggest people will smell your period.
 
2013-04-08 01:44:15 PM
I watched television when it was analog. Seventy miles north of New York City, all the NY channels came in clear as a bell, plus two stations fron Connecticut. No need for cable or dish. The switch to HD cut the signal strength. Now a few off the wall stations,( royal religious, home shopping, and a cartoon channel that is just strange), are the only things in range. Not going to be hustled by the man. They can take their fees and shove'm. I watch what is available on the internet.
 
2013-04-08 01:44:44 PM
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ComicBookGuy: I don't watch T.V. at all!!  I'm just so intellectually superior, I entertain myself solely via my various Apple products.  Unfortunately, I  do have to wear a Lecter mask to stop gay men from shoving their cocks into my mouth when I'm out in public.

I take in that when you're in a private place, you're cool with the gay men shoving cocks into your mouth?


Well, that dep-*mmph*

Goetz: ComicBookGuy: I don't watch T.V. at all!!  I'm just so intellectually superior, I entertain myself solely via my various Apple products.  Unfortunately, I  do have to wear a Lecter mask to stop gay men from shoving their cocks into my mouth when I'm out in public.

You spend a lot of time thinking about having cocks shoved in your mouth don't you?


Is your ass capable of hurt at this point?
 
2013-04-08 01:45:01 PM

PanicMan: There's actually some really good shows on YouTube.  Like Penny Arcade's "StripSearch", for example.  Or anything on the Nerdist channel.


Also mentioned Strip Search upthread, but really, reality producers ought to learn from their example. You can have a compelling reality show without manufacturing drama or casting people who you know are raging assholes likely to cause fights and shouting matches all season. Strip Search got just as much mileage from a mildly uncomfortable spat of simple disagreement between a contestant and a judge, and the closest to a rageathon has come from the hosts struggling to decide who to eliminate because the two nominees were just that damn good and only raging against the fact that they had to send someone home anyway.
 
2013-04-08 01:46:18 PM

evilmousse: OH! Reminds me, the other day I had mtv on for the first time in 20 yrs because half baked was on and nothing better elsewhere.

HOLY shiat is every commercial designed to make you feel inadequate! I can't believe one even went so far as to suggest people will smell your period.


wait... wut?

/although my entertainment/news source (fark) had a thread about throwing tampons at the ceiling and seeing if they stuck so why would I be suprised
 
2013-04-08 01:47:39 PM
X 1. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
✓ 2. Drink microbrewery beer
✓ 3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac PC
X 4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
✓ 5. Read books at Starbucks Panera
✓ 6. Claim to prefer(s) girls with small breasts
✓ 7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
X 8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
X 9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
X 10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac

5/10, but not really with the strikeouts. I get an F?

/My TV is not a TV, but a 46" computer monitor.
 
2013-04-08 01:48:48 PM
We cut the cord a few years ago. We went to turn on the cable box to watch the 4th of July fireworks, and the took close to an hour to "boot up" and get the channel list. The cable company's support line said this was normal for a box that has been powered off for a while. After the "We're missing the fireworks because cable is sh*t" annoyance passed, we thought "So WHY are we paying for this anyway?"

Netflix streaming and the DVD service pretty much met our entertainment needs. The only thing we've missed was access to the most recent episodes of "Bones". Now that we've discovered the show, we'll want more "Castle" once we finish the season 4 DVDs we get from Netflix.
As for the fireworks? My FiL gave us an HD antenna he wasn't using, so we can get the broadcast options in the area, which includes the fireworks.
 
2013-04-08 01:49:05 PM
I watch like a lot of TV, like 5-6 hours a week. And I do it all over the Internet. I even have a cable subscription, but I just don't bother- pushing a button in my web browser lets me watch what I want, when I want, how I want. I'm already paying for a license which allows time shifting.
 
2013-04-08 01:55:31 PM
The only reason why I keep the cable subscription (other than internet) going is because of my kids.  At this point, I have more movies and TV shows archived (thanks, Netflix) than my wife and I will likely ever have time to watch.
 
2013-04-08 01:56:12 PM

giftedmadness: lilplatinum: SockMonkeyHolocaust: After over 10 years, I am kind of to the point where I don't even watch DVDs or NetFlix anymore or I watch Repo Man over and over again. I watched 10 minutes of Big Bang Theory the other day and I can't believe that anyone is watching it without some kind of incentive or their families are being held hostage or something. TV is like religion to me, it's just not something that has a part in my life or something I really think about except when I post about how I don't have a TV.

I will say this, though. I am not trained to be around them any more. I can't ignore TVs in the wild. I wind up just staring.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-constantly-mentioning-he-d oe snt-own-a-tel,429/

That article claims the man lived with his gf when he was 13.  It's probably fake.


Actually the article was written in 2000 so he would have been 26
 
2013-04-08 01:57:48 PM
rdyb:
addons.cdn.mozilla.net 

Marketers fark off. Your advertising budget does not give you divine right to my attention.


But ... think of all the poor starving squirrels ...
 
2013-04-08 01:59:22 PM

Phadeguy: There is no need for a specialized "dumbed down TV device" thing like a Roku unless you just want to use a remote with no keyboard.


I was enjoying my Roku for the most part until this weekend, when it completely died after less than a year of use. I contacted support. There was only a 90 day warranty. fark them. I had to hook up my seldom used Xbox and get a month of gold for ten bucks just to get Netflix up and running again. I'd hook my laptop up to the tv but it crashes the video card (old laptop is less than stellar these days). Any suggestions on a Roku alternative?
 
2013-04-08 01:59:50 PM

SoCalChris: This makes TV enjoyable again.


I could not grok Sick Beard.  It doesn't speak a language I understand.  I need give it another try.

Plex is way cool.  I found filebot to rename an organize my media files on the Mac, although I think it corrupted some files.
 
2013-04-08 02:00:45 PM
We pay WAAAAYYYY too much for our cable bundle but it's to humor my wife who is an entrainment junkie and was too poor too afford cable growing up, so stilll I think subconsciously see it as a status thing,  That said, She is slowly coming around to decording as I've pointed out to her that 90% of what we've watched recently has been on Hulu+ or Netflix or HBO Go( GOT mostly) aand of the remaining 10% at least half was shows DVR'ed from the boardcast channels which we'd still be able to do.

OTOH I did discover one nice cable feature recently: My FIOS media Manager App for my tablet (nexus 7) lets me access both Starz and Encore's on demand libraries and actually download (not stream) for free movies and TV shows  to my tablet.   Since the Tablet is Wi-Fi only and I have an hour commute each way on public tansit every day, that's a kind of cool feature for me, but one I could live without
 
2013-04-08 02:03:00 PM
TV is poison for your brain, and most of you can't really afford the lose of cognition in the first place.
 
2013-04-08 02:03:38 PM
But, but, but Survivor!  The Amazing Race!  Big Brother!


/I like these
 
2013-04-08 02:05:07 PM

giftedmadness: God Is My Co-Pirate: You have to be realistic. If all you want to watch is Game of Thrones, given the following choices, what will most people do?

1) pay $150+/month for premium cable - for one show, with ads, airing once at their convenience (no HBOgo or Hulu here in Canada).
2) buy a box set a year later
3) download it instantly, high quality and ad free.

You know that Oatmeal cartoon about this exact thing? That was me.

Also, don't most cable operators offer On Demand HBO, so you can watch the shows whenever you want?


I don't believe it works in Canada, but I could be wrong.
 
2013-04-08 02:07:46 PM

Kahabut: TV is poison for your brain, and most of you can't really afford the lose of cognition in the first place.


Depends what TV. It ain't poison if you're on the Science Channel watching marathons of How It's Made.
 
2013-04-08 02:10:08 PM

RickN99: SockMonkeyHolocaust: Also, it's amazing how many people want to give you a TV when they find out that you don't have one. It's difficult for some people to wrap their head around that someone would choose to go without one.

Sounds like a plan.

"I don't have a TV."
"You're kidding.  Have a free TV."
*sell TV*
"I don't have a TV."
"You're kidding....


What type of TV?  These days, old analog TVs are worth negative amounts of money-IE, you have to pay money for the recycling fees to throw it away.
 
2013-04-08 02:10:36 PM
i'd gladly pay an extra 10 bucks a month to watch all my shows commercial free if that is even possible
 
2013-04-08 02:12:27 PM
I'm too busy watching Ow, My Balls to RTFA.
 
2013-04-08 02:12:58 PM
I gouged out both my eyes last month, so I don't watch anything at all.
 
2013-04-08 02:14:50 PM

FishyFred: [i50.tinypic.com image 750x563]


Please remember, although the long-standing members of this site may have seen this a million times (hyperbole), with the population taken into consideration and the very nature of the internet, I do believe that for many, this will be only the first or second time seeing something like this.

As an old(?) man, there is nothing new on this planet so I take my pleasure in listening to the same topics with newly injected ideas from those younger and less experienced than myself.
 
2013-04-08 02:16:21 PM

katerbug72: Any suggestions on a Roku alternative?


I'm personally fond of the LG Smart TV Upgrader, which has native support for Plex, Netflix, Amazon, Pandora, DLNA servers,  SMB, NFS (local file server protocols) and can natively play .mkv and .FLAC files, including support for AC3 and DTS audio. They're like $60 refurbished or used. Good luck finding a new one.

The WD TV Live is decent with a nice interface, but it has some annoying limitations in terms of support for local content.

The original Boxee box has a nice, fast interface with crap tons of online options and supports damned near everything, but it doesn't do Plex or DLNA.

Anything that you can hack a Plex client on to (Raspberry Pi, AppleTV, Generic Android HDMI stick, PC with XBMC or just the Plex Media Desktop) is going to be pretty decent, since Plex aggregates local content as well as online services.
 
2013-04-08 02:22:33 PM

whitey_d: giftedmadness: lilplatinum: SockMonkeyHolocaust: After over 10 years, I am kind of to the point where I don't even watch DVDs or NetFlix anymore or I watch Repo Man over and over again. I watched 10 minutes of Big Bang Theory the other day and I can't believe that anyone is watching it without some kind of incentive or their families are being held hostage or something. TV is like religion to me, it's just not something that has a part in my life or something I really think about except when I post about how I don't have a TV.

I will say this, though. I am not trained to be around them any more. I can't ignore TVs in the wild. I wind up just staring.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-constantly-mentioning-he-d oe snt-own-a-tel,429/

That article claims the man lived with his gf when he was 13.  It's probably fake.

Actually the article was written in 2000 so he would have been 26


wow, i can't believe i didn't even look at the date it was written
 
2013-04-08 02:26:05 PM
What shocks me the most about TV is just how god awful the commercials are.  I watch some of them and it boggles my mind to think that somewhere out there, someone actually thought "Yes!  Having that father and son just start to sing and dance in the grocery is SOOO totally gonna make people want to buy it!!!"  Then, I think about the commercials that were rejected, and just how utterly miserable those ideas must have been.

/don't get me started about commercials where old people "rap"
 
2013-04-08 02:27:49 PM
Yes. I love streaming shows and sporting events everyone else watched 3 months ago..
 
2013-04-08 02:28:18 PM

gittlebass: i'd gladly pay an extra 10 bucks a month to watch all my shows commercial free if that is even possible


If you don't mind waiting 11 months or so, that's called Netflix.
 
2013-04-08 02:31:30 PM

likefunbutnot: katerbug72: Any suggestions on a Roku alternative?

I'm personally fond of the LG Smart TV Upgrader, which has native support for Plex, Netflix, Amazon, Pandora, DLNA servers,  SMB, NFS (local file server protocols) and can natively play .mkv and .FLAC files, including support for AC3 and DTS audio. They're like $60 refurbished or used. Good luck finding a new one.

The WD TV Live is decent with a nice interface, but it has some annoying limitations in terms of support for local content.

The original Boxee box has a nice, fast interface with crap tons of online options and supports damned near everything, but it doesn't do Plex or DLNA.

Anything that you can hack a Plex client on to (Raspberry Pi, AppleTV, Generic Android HDMI stick, PC with XBMC or just the Plex Media Desktop) is going to be pretty decent, since Plex aggregates local content as well as online services.


I'm really a fan of my PS3 for streaming.  Obviously, it's a lot more expensive than those other options, but if you've already got one (or are considering one) it does Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, and it can even be used to stream from a computer (which is what we do with a lot of our stuff).
 
2013-04-08 02:39:29 PM

GoldSpider: The day I can get internet cheaper without basic cable than with is the day I cut the cord completely.


Have I got great news for you then! Paying $50 per month on a cable package in order to save yourself $10 per month on your internet is not, in fact cheaper than paying an extra $10 per month for your internet.
 
2013-04-08 02:39:43 PM

rugman11: I'm really a fan of my PS3 for streaming. Obviously, it's a lot more expensive than those other options, but if you've already got one (or are considering one) it does Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, and it can even be used to stream from a computer (which is what we do with a lot of our stuff).


I bought a PS3 so I could rip SACDs. It's hot, uses a lot of power and is louder than anything I'd want to leave on all the time in my living room. It also suffers for having less than ideal control interface and the "mother may I?" limitations that are common to console-based gaming systems. Yes, it's a functional DLNA client, but so is a $50 Android-on-a-stick.
 
2013-04-08 02:40:36 PM
That's what it said, swear to god. After, it says that's not true, but the implication is still there that's why to buy the product, and I'm sure johnny 14yrold is thrilled over the new idea of how to tease 14yrold sally.

The other commercials were no better. Even as a very self-assured adult the attack on one's social acceptibility was palpable.

/3rd time posting on a mobile conn plz work baby
 
2013-04-08 02:41:37 PM
Cable/TV has me by the balls until I get a GOOD alternative to live sports. I suppose I could go to a sports bar anytime a game is on, but that's not always an option. I "need" the following:

-NFL
-MLB
-Golf Channel
-College football (occasionally)

If I could pay a la carte for those, I could possibly convince the wife to cut the cord
 
2013-04-08 02:43:10 PM

seadoo2006: Yeah ... until Sony decides that the legal movie you're watching is illegal ... almost punted my PS3 out the window. I use a WD Live Box now ... 10x better. Fark Sony ... those douchebags.


I have two WD TV Lives, and I love them. I use them to play movies over my network. Those things play almost ANYTHING you throw at them. I rip my Blu-rays to .mkv's, along with multiple audio streams and subtitles. The only annoying thing I have experienced is that they won't play the native "SUP" subtitles in Blu-rays. I have to convert them to SUB/IDX first, then mux them back into the video file. It's definitely not something for a casual person to do, but the WD boxes are a godsend for techies like me and anyone who needs to be able to play a broad range of formats (or lesser supported ones). The damn things play almost everything.
 
2013-04-08 02:43:11 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Cable/TV has me by the balls until I get a GOOD alternative to live sports. I suppose I could go to a sports bar anytime a game is on, but that's not always an option. I "need" the following:

-NFL
-MLB
-Golf Channel
-College football (occasionally)

If I could pay a la carte for those, I could possibly convince the wife to cut the cord


I'll add EPL to the list of "needs"
 
2013-04-08 02:43:12 PM
So, they are upset that. . .

People don't want to watch TV news because it's mostly talking heads and "human interest" stories.  If I want meaningful news coverage I'll check online, especially NPR, BBC News, and the Christian Science Monitor.  I don't want to watch Fox News Propaganda Channel, Headline News is no longer 24/7 news anymore, and CNN has an awful lot of non-news "commentary" now.

Channels that used to be worth watching are now crap.  I don't want to watch Ice Road Truckers, Ax Men, Pawn Stars, Toddlers and Tiaras, Honey Boo Boo, Jersey Shore, and the rest of that nonsense.  I used to watch History channel because it was. . .history.  Now it's mostly "reality" shows.  I stopped watching.  Not to mention Sci-Fi becoming SyFi and turning into nothing but cheap monster movies, or A&E is no longer about Arts & Entertainment and instead is just random nonsense.  Make the History Channel about History.  Discovery channel used to be aviation and nature documentaries, but they spun the aviation documentaries off to Discovery Wings (later The Military Channel) and the nature shows to Animal Planet. . .leaving the actual Discovery channel with nothing.  MTV hasn't had music in a generation, the last good show on there was Daria.  VH1 went the way of MTV as well.

Cable companies sell huge packages of dozens upon dozens of channels you don't want to watch, and you have to buy fifty channels to get one you want to see.  All the while they are trying to sell you premium channels, and to get you to also get VOIP phone through them too.  Sales pressure for crap you don't need.

Ten years ago I moved into my first off-campus apartment and got my own cable and internet.  The local cable company charged $70/month for broadband and a cable package.  If I got internet through them, I had to get a more advanced (and expensive) TV package, I couldn't get just basic cable.  In ten years, the cost of cable has more than doubled, going from $70 to $160 for the same services.  They threw in some "on demand" digital pay-per-view system and a DVR while they upped the price, but it still means that to get cable and an internet connection I'm paying almost as much per month as I do for my car. . .but if I want to cancel the TV and have just internet I can knock about $100 off that, but I can't downgrade to any lesser TV package without cancelling my internet.  I think they're just abusing their monopoly.

I'm getting pretty fed up with cable TV myself.
 
2013-04-08 02:48:10 PM

Torchsong: Broadcast will win back this zero television household when they put on programming this zero television household is actually willing to spend money to watch.

ProTip: If it's reality television in any way shape or form, you fail.


There is PLENTY of good programming on television. People are fed up with intrusive advertising (too much airtime is advertising and they interrupt the shows too frequently) and high prices. Address those two issues, and people won't feel compelled to look for alternatives.
 
2013-04-08 02:48:10 PM

ahwahoo2006: I'm convinced Comcast (Xfinity, whatever) is throttling Netflix. Had to switch to them since my new building is Comcast only (yay monopolies...) and ever since Netflix streaming buffers constantly. Never had an issue with Fios.


So you're telling me that cable has less bandwidth than fiber? I don't believe it. Next you'll be telling me that dial-up is even worse. I wasn't born yesterday you know.
 
2013-04-08 02:48:25 PM

Jument: Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?


Roku is great. If you're willing to hook up a real computer you have more options, but a Roku is a cheap and easy way to get started.

I'd also recommend Plex Media Server -- which is free and compatible with Roku -- as one of the best ways to get both local content (i.e. stuff you download/record locally) and web content onto your playback devices. Besides letting you use your not-in-the-living-room computer to store/transcode/decrypt/etc. content it also lets you stream to mobile/remote devices, and even pre-cache content on your iOS/Android devices for offline use.
 
2013-04-08 02:50:10 PM

Silverstaff: I'm getting pretty fed up with cable TV myself.


Hint: Look in to what your local cable are providing as business services. Tell them you have a home office.
 
2013-04-08 02:50:46 PM
Aaand fark lost that my post was a reply to a comment.

This mobile browser thing is REALLY not working for me.
 
2013-04-08 02:55:03 PM
I'm cutting the cord Wednesday.  Clear works in these parts, and no extra taxes.  I'll probably get MLB TV.  I do have Prime, and a terrabyte worth of stuff I downloaded.  fark cable.
 
2013-04-08 02:56:28 PM

ComicBookGuy: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ComicBookGuy: I don't watch T.V. at all!!  I'm just so intellectually superior, I entertain myself solely via my various Apple products.  Unfortunately, I  do have to wear a Lecter mask to stop gay men from shoving their cocks into my mouth when I'm out in public.

I take in that when you're in a private place, you're cool with the gay men shoving cocks into your mouth?

Well, that dep-*mmph*

Goetz: ComicBookGuy: I don't watch T.V. at all!!  I'm just so intellectually superior, I entertain myself solely via my various Apple products.  Unfortunately, I  do have to wear a Lecter mask to stop gay men from shoving their cocks into my mouth when I'm out in public.

You spend a lot of time thinking about having cocks shoved in your mouth don't you?

Is your ass capable of hurt at this point?


You seem confused. Take a break, catch your breath and come out that closet swingin!
 
2013-04-08 02:56:29 PM

RRedline: have two WD TV Lives, and I love them. I use them to play movies over my network. Those things play almost ANYTHING you throw at them. I rip my Blu-rays to .mkv's, along with multiple audio streams and subtitles. The only annoying thing I have experienced is that they won't play the native "SUP" subtitles in Blu-rays. I have to convert them to SUB/IDX first, then mux them back into the video file. It's definitely not something for a casual person to do, but the WD boxes are a godsend for techies like me and anyone who needs to be able to play a broad range of formats (or lesser supported ones). The damn things play almost everything.


Yeah.  Used to have a Roku, but that was a biatch as far as getting your own content to play.
 
2013-04-08 02:56:44 PM

Serges: Oh boy, a TV hate thread.  This should be good.


Why not? Most TV is garbage anyway.
 
2013-04-08 03:01:17 PM

seadoo2006: So, which of you bleating Conservatards is against a TV tax again? Spent a summer in Britain and I would GLADLY, hell EXCITEDLY, pay a TV tax for the BBC and all of its programming.  No commercials, hour long programs are actually an hour long, HD ... yeah ... fark the US system.  Give me the BBC, you can have Honey Boo Boo.


You kiddin'?  I'd like some of that action myself!
 
2013-04-08 03:01:22 PM

dmoynihan: Yeah. Used to have a Roku, but that was a biatch as far as getting your own content to play.


Behold the thing that makes the Roku literally a little black box of awesome sauce
 
2013-04-08 03:02:55 PM

Pocket Ninja: The very instant that HBO becomes available as a standalone subscription will be the same instant I cancel cable forever and get by solely with Amazon Prime.


I get ads for HBO on Xbox Live all the time... why cant you get HBO across Live for whatever monthly fee they are charging (I realize that you may or may not have Live, but Live is less than $50 a year, and half that if you look for deals)?
 
2013-04-08 03:06:11 PM

HaywoodJablonski: HaywoodJablonski: Cable/TV has me by the balls until I get a GOOD alternative to live sports. I suppose I could go to a sports bar anytime a game is on, but that's not always an option. I "need" the following:

-NFL
-MLB
-Golf Channel
-College football (occasionally)

If I could pay a la carte for those, I could possibly convince the wife to cut the cord

I'll add EPL to the list of "needs"


Thing is, TV conglomerates (i.e. ABC/Disney) would sh*t the bed AND put their bodies in the way of it if people demanded a la carte pricing.  That's why you have dumbass networks like ABC Family and how if you want ESPN on your service, you're forced (if you're a cable company) to add channels like ABC Family.
 
2013-04-08 03:08:33 PM

likefunbutnot: katerbug72: Any suggestions on a Roku alternative?

I'm personally fond of the LG Smart TV Upgrader, which has native support for Plex, Netflix, Amazon, Pandora, DLNA servers,  SMB, NFS (local file server protocols) and can natively play .mkv and .FLAC files, including support for AC3 and DTS audio. They're like $60 refurbished or used. Good luck finding a new one.

The WD TV Live is decent with a nice interface, but it has some annoying limitations in terms of support for local content.

The original Boxee box has a nice, fast interface with crap tons of online options and supports damned near everything, but it doesn't do Plex or DLNA.

Anything that you can hack a Plex client on to (Raspberry Pi, AppleTV, Generic Android HDMI stick, PC with XBMC or just the Plex Media Desktop) is going to be pretty decent, since Plex aggregates local content as well as online services.


Thanks.
 
2013-04-08 03:12:07 PM

Rwa2play: Thing is, TV conglomerates (i.e. ABC/Disney) would sh*t the bed AND put their bodies in the way of it if people demanded a la carte pricing. That's why you have dumbass networks like ABC Family and how if you want ESPN on your service, you're forced (if you're a cable company) to add channels like ABC Family.


ABC Family's a respectable network. Their main problem is they can't get out of the contract that forces them to give three hours a day and an annual all-day telethon to Pat Robertson (and to keep the word 'Family' in the title of the network). Basically, if they cancel the 700 Club, every ad deal the network has automatically becomes null and void, which pretty much cripples them inside of five seconds. The most they can do is bury the 700 Club behind a gazillion disclaimers and remove any onscreen reference to what network people are watching.
 
2013-04-08 03:14:13 PM

seadoo2006: Yeah ... until Sony decides that the legal movie you're watching is illegal ... almost punted my PS3 out the window.  I use a WD Live Box now ... 10x better.  Fark Sony ... those douchebags.

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Holy shiat, is that really a thing?

And these farking companies wonder why people pirate.
 
2013-04-08 03:16:35 PM

Gosling: Kahabut: TV is poison for your brain, and most of you can't really afford the lose of cognition in the first place.

Depends what TV. It ain't poison if you're on the Science Channel watching marathons of How It's Made.


Yes, yes it is.  Unless you have an illegal ad blocker on your TV.
 
2013-04-08 03:18:17 PM

StrangeQ: Holy shiat, is that really a thing?

And these farking companies wonder why people pirate.


Yes that is a real thing

I don't think they realize that the noose they are tightening is around their own neck, not the pirate.
 
2013-04-08 03:18:37 PM

davidab: Pocket Ninja: The very instant that HBO becomes available as a standalone subscription will be the same instant I cancel cable forever and get by solely with Amazon Prime.

I get ads for HBO on Xbox Live all the time... why cant you get HBO across Live for whatever monthly fee they are charging (I realize that you may or may not have Live, but Live is less than $50 a year, and half that if you look for deals)?


You still need a cable subscription to watch HBO Go.
 
2013-04-08 03:24:00 PM

louiedog: You still need a cable subscription to watch HBO Go.


Not much longer perhaps

They are looking at the gobs of farking money Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu are making turning to content deliverers like Comcast and Dish and asking "Why the fark aren't you paying us more?"
 
2013-04-08 03:26:27 PM
Not to change the subject, but does Bill Kurtis still spend two hours at a time discoursing on the careers of serial rapist-murderers on A & E?  I remember channel surfing in hotels and seeing him doing that; turning off the TV, going out for a workout, eating, coming back and damned if he wasn't still at it when I turned the TV back on.....talking about the same perp.
 
2013-04-08 03:30:43 PM

evilmousse: The tv guide would be most accurate if it just said 'commercials' for every channel.

Make a random number generator, pick 10 numbers from 1-60. For each number, tune to a channel at that minute of the hour. Over 50% of the time result = commercial.


If you watch an hour long tv show on say Netflix, the show is only 40 mins or so long.  A full third of the airtime is farking commercials.
 
2013-04-08 03:33:54 PM

Igor Jakovsky: If you watch an hour long tv show on say Netflix, the show is only 40 mins or so long. A full third of the airtime is farking commercials.


The thing about ads is that they will go wherever your eyes actually are. A marketer's job (and I did major in marketing in college) is to make sure you're seeing ads somewhere, somehow, someway. If you move away from them, the job is to find out where you've moved to and put the ads there instead. If you're running AdBlock, the ads will just be integrated into somewhere AdBlock can't touch. If you're fast-forwarding through ads, the ads will start being constructed in such a fashion that you can recognize them even at fast-forward speed (and they are doing this; advertisers have noticed that people actually pay MORE attention to commercials when fast-forwarding because they need to know when the ads are ending and the show's starting again).
 
2013-04-08 03:35:06 PM

Igor Jakovsky: If you watch an hour long tv show on say Netflix, the show is only 40 mins or so long. A full third of the airtime is farking commercials.


I just recently pulled the plug on cable, and held off till I could find a source for my NHL addiction (thank god for hockeystreams). The one thing I knew I was loosing was AMC shows, there is no next day source for that like most so I'd have to torrent it. No biggie, I miss it by a day.

I watched the Walking Dead, last 4 episodes of Season 3 and honestly I have to say I was finding myself enjoying the show MORE. The commercials were an obvious distraction that I realized they were detrimentally affecting my viewing. I realized that there are probably other shows that I never picked up because the commercials threw me off them.

Gonna try and watch The Americans and catch up with that. I never could get it into, and now I think I know why.
 
2013-04-08 03:41:36 PM

Jument: CeroX: Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?

PS3

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Crackle, Anime Alley, VUDU + Blue Ray, Dvd, and 3D, as well as able to view and play files from any windows media server or online cloud media server...


I've never owned a PS3 in my life. Putting aside Blue Ray, could I get most or all of that with an Xbox (which I own one of already) or a Roku (which I also own one of already, used for Netflix only right now).


I don't need to play my own video off a server. I just don't do that. I rarely if ever rewatch something and if I did, I would just Netflix it.


I hate Sony, but my ps3 is a pretty awesome little media machine. I hear it even plays games, but that's probably just a rumor.

the Netflix app on the 360 is terrible.
 
2013-04-08 03:41:58 PM

Bleyo: germ78: Count me in the "only watches TV for sports" brigade. Though I find it sad how many sports teams have gone to cable-only networks with few if any broadcast games anymore (the Bulls and Blackhawks used to get a game or so a week on local WGN; haven't seen one there in a while now). Netflix is pure awesome, though I can envision a future where Madison Avenue types make them an offer too good to refuse, and we wind up with ads on Netflix. That would be the day my Netflix subscription ends.

There are a lot of legal ways around that now.  If you want to watch the home team, all their games will be on local network stations that you can get on antenna for free in HD.  If you root for another team, there are services you can get on you PC or gaming console that will let you stream the games live for a fee.

The only issue I've had with it is NFL Sunday Ticket doesn't show MNF, so I just went to the sports bar with friends every Monday night.


I'd love to be in a town that simulcasts games on one of the local digital broadcast affiliates. Alas, that perk only happens when the Bears are on a cable-only network (ESPN or NFL network). Otherwise, I'd love to see the Cubs, Bulls, and Blackhawks get simulcast on a channel like 9.2 (WGN's extra network for syndicated '70s and '80s sitcoms) or 26.2 (currently MeTV). shiat, I'd like to see the local FOX affiliate (WFLD 32) get a second digital channel for anything. It seems weird that they don't have one.

/I think the fact that Comcast runs the local sports network in my area is the reason this doesn't happen
 
2013-04-08 03:45:09 PM

Gosling: PanicMan: There's actually some really good shows on YouTube.  Like Penny Arcade's "StripSearch", for example.  Or anything on the Nerdist channel.

Also mentioned Strip Search upthread, but really, reality producers ought to learn from their example. You can have a compelling reality show without manufacturing drama or casting people who you know are raging assholes likely to cause fights and shouting matches all season. Strip Search got just as much mileage from a mildly uncomfortable spat of simple disagreement between a contestant and a judge, and the closest to a rageathon has come from the hosts struggling to decide who to eliminate because the two nominees were just that damn good and only raging against the fact that they had to send someone home anyway.


That episode was one of the greatest things I've ever seen.  I gained a lot of respect for Mike (Gabe) on that one, he really appreciates art.  And it's pretty cool you can go to PAX and meet any of those people and have a conversation.
 
2013-04-08 03:45:34 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: I watched the Walking Dead, last 4 episodes of Season 3 and honestly I have to say I was finding myself enjoying the show MORE. The commercials were an obvious distraction that I realized they were detrimentally affecting my viewing. I realized that there are probably other shows that I never picked up because the commercials threw me off them.


And if the show is syndicated, they will cut scenes out to add more commercial time.  For example, in Scrubs, (season 4 I think) Turk gets back from his honeymoon.  JD yells out of a window to Turk in the parking lot, then he and Turk run around the hospital trying to find each other because they missed each other.  On the DVD, this scene is several minutes long with Turk and JD running all over the hospital.  In syndication, this scene is totally different.  JD yells out of a window to Turk in the parking lot, then he and Turk are hugging in the hallway 5 seconds later.
 
2013-04-08 03:45:53 PM

gambitsgirl: Andrew Wiggin: gambitsgirl: gambitsgirl: TheShavingofOccam123: gambitsgirl: I cut the cord over 4 years ago. I get my entertainment from the Internet. Like FARK. Which makes me stupider than people who watch Honey Boo boo

Welcome home!

thank you, luv.  Actually came out to troll the TF threads for the local tragedy. Some moms were worried about media at the elementary school and I came out to see how big of a splash the story made.  So far only 2 redlights and really any media that would go to the school to get a 7-year-olds reaction to a friend being crushed to death by 24 foot of dirt offsite would be lynched.


that didn't sound right.  Came out to dredge through the TF threads? To see the TF threads? To look at the...  meh nevermind

we all know what you meant. sicko.

my sickness is part of my charm.  At least I didn't make a "dig through" joke at the dead kids expense


Keep talking.

You will eventually dig your way to china...

\I feel dirty for making that joke
\\snark aside, farking sad story
 
2013-04-08 03:46:13 PM
I built a HTPC with built in blu-ray player that works great, runs win7, has 2tb of hard drive space and is about the size of a PS3. Awesome for downloads, games and all that. I have a WiiU which is awesome for netflix, amazon and hulu and monster hunting. A roku in the bedroom the wife uses for grey's anatomy or whatever drama she's currently watching. Haven't paid for cable in years and have a very extensive blu-ray and DVD collection.

The first year Game of Thrones aired it was on Amazon for 2.99 a HD episode 24 hours after airing which is perfectly reasonable to me and most shows are that way. I bought the whole thing as it came out and enjoyed it in HD. The second year they put a stop to that. Since they won't take my money, I'm going to pirate it and not feel bad. I like to support the producers when I can but I'm not paying $150/month for something I could get for $12/m online without commercials or annoyances.

Good thing the snow's going to eventually stop soon in Colorado so I can get back to gardening and fishing, while taking an amazon episode I paid for with me on the Kindle HD.
 
2013-04-08 03:47:22 PM
I like watching TVs.  They have fashion sense and a certain refreshing flamboyance.
 
2013-04-08 03:51:44 PM
Well for starters, Broadcast TV, you can stop filling up the bottom of my screen with station ID's, ads for other shows, disctracting flashy things, etc. That shiat sucks.
 
2013-04-08 03:53:02 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Also, it's amazing how many people want to give you a TV when they find out that you don't have one. It's difficult for some people to wrap their head around that someone would choose to go without one.


I've had the same problem with microwaves. Our old one died, and MIL insisted on buying us another one. Then we moved to a place furnished with a microwave. Now I have two stinkin' microwaves that I don't use enough to justify having.
 
2013-04-08 03:54:45 PM

Titanius Anglesmith: the Netflix app on the 360 is terrible.


There is supposed to be an update that will fix a lot of things, but yes it is pretty terrible. I get around it by using the favorites

germ78: Blackhawks


I only mentioned it in passing, but if you are hockey but and its keeping you tied to sat or cable, check out http://www6.hockeystreams.com/

Watch live, HD hockey any game, any feed. Yesterday I watch the Hawk cinch their playoffs with the Chicago feed living in a black out spot.
 
2013-04-08 03:56:28 PM
Pop-up ads; permanently on-screen network logos; excessive commercial time; commercials running split-screen with 3x-speeded up credits; 1-5 minute offsets on program start and end times; reality TV shows. Don't expect increasing viewers when you are intentionally driving quality downwards.
 
2013-04-08 03:57:07 PM

Windfoxie: I've had the same problem with microwaves. Our old one died, and MIL insisted on buying us another one. Then we moved to a place furnished with a microwave. Now I have two stinkin' microwaves that I don't use enough to justify having.


Glorified butter melters, that's about all I use mine for.
 
2013-04-08 04:03:23 PM
I watch the Internet on my TV
 
2013-04-08 04:04:37 PM

CeroX: Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?

PS3

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Crackle, Anime Alley, VUDU + Blue Ray, Dvd, and 3D, as well as able to view and play files from any windows media server or online cloud media server...


this reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer decided he wanted to stop US Mail delivery to his home:

Postal Employee: "May I help you?"
Kramer: "Yeah, I'd like to cancel my mail."
Postal Employee: "Certainly. How long would you like us to hold it?"
Kramer: "Oh, no, no. I don't think you get me. I want out, permanently."
Newman: "I'll handle this, Violet. Why don't you take your three hour break?
Oh, calm down, everyone. No one's cancelling any mail."
Kramer: "Oh, yes, I am."
Newman: "What about your bills?"
Kramer: "The bank can pay 'em."
Newman: "The bank. What about your cards and letters?"
Kramer: "E-mail, telephones, fax machines. Fedex, telex, telegrams,
holograms."
Newman: "All right, it's true! Of course nobody needs mail. What do you
think, you're so clever for figuring that out? But you don't know the half of
what goes on here. So just walk away, Kramer. I beg of you."
Supervisor: "Is everything all right here, Postal Employee Newman?"
Newman: "Yes, sir, I believe everything is all squared away. Isn't it, Mr.
Kramer?"
Kramer: "Oh, yeah. As long as I stop getting mail!"


And I fear it will end much the same way.
 
2013-04-08 04:05:19 PM

Titanius Anglesmith: Jument: CeroX: Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?

PS3

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Crackle, Anime Alley, VUDU + Blue Ray, Dvd, and 3D, as well as able to view and play files from any windows media server or online cloud media server...


I've never owned a PS3 in my life. Putting aside Blue Ray, could I get most or all of that with an Xbox (which I own one of already) or a Roku (which I also own one of already, used for Netflix only right now).


I don't need to play my own video off a server. I just don't do that. I rarely if ever rewatch something and if I did, I would just Netflix it.

I hate Sony, but my ps3 is a pretty awesome little media machine. I hear it even plays games, but that's probably just a rumor.

the Netflix app on the 360 is terrible.


I'm surprised you would say that. I've used Netflix on the 360, the Tivo and Roku. I've always been reasonably happy with Netflix on the 360.


If you think the 360 app is bad, just you try it on Tivo. It is just a massive suckfest (although I am not yet on a Premiere so maybe it's better there).
 
2013-04-08 04:12:17 PM

namegoeshere: Well for starters, Broadcast TV, you can stop filling up the bottom of my screen with station ID's, ads for other shows, disctracting flashy things, etc. That shiat sucks.


Fcc regs requires channels identify themselves. So the station identifiers arent going away, but they could be alot less intrusive...

Agree with everything else.

\even on cable, all stations are transmitted wirelessly from sattelite (encrypted)
 
2013-04-08 04:16:59 PM
We don't have cable, haven't for years.  We've been putting up with Netflix for a while, but the delay between <X> being released and <X> showing up on Netflix is like 10 to 18 months, so I'm starting to look for alternatives.

Occasionally we're over at a friend's place, he's one of those fully-media-immersed people.  He fired up HBOSomething on their xbox and tried to stream the first ep of Game of Thrones season 3 while we were there.  It locked up for buffering about every 15 seconds.  I'm not impressed.  I think he decided to switching to pirating the show right then and there.

Now that my gf is hooked on new Who, I think I'm going to start looking for someplace to get the current episodes as they come out, without either (1) waiting a calendar year for Netflix to figure out exactly what "current" means, or (2) paying for the chopped up and shortened BBC-America versions.  The same friend was talking about torrenting those as well; I told him I would bring over a USB thumb drive and some beer each week if I could have a copy.

/hate my ISP too
//but no choices there
 
2013-04-08 04:20:15 PM

DORMAMU: \even on cable, all stations are transmitted wirelessly from sattelite (encrypted)


The regulations that require station ID do not apply to licenses that allow encrypted transmissions.
 
2013-04-08 04:24:00 PM
For those thinking about cutting the cord to save money, you might want to try what I did. We were running at about $130 a month for "Basic" Digital Cable, DVR, and speed-boosted internet. Decided that we could do without the cable to save some cash so called in the cancellation. Within 24 hours I got a call from TWC asking why we were canceling.

Ended up keeping the cable, because it is literally costing us $5-$6 more than just internet would cost. Our last bill was $72.43.

We only watch live TV if we are eating supper and want to get back to gaming right after. Netflix for older TV shows. DVR any current "live" shows.

We also buy TV series off iTunes we know we want to keep. To date that has been Airbender, Supernatural, and West Wing.
 
2013-04-08 04:24:31 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: louiedog: You still need a cable subscription to watch HBO Go.

Not much longer perhaps

They are looking at the gobs of farking money Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu are making turning to content deliverers like Comcast and Dish and asking "Why the fark aren't you paying us more?"


when asked why they were spending over $100 million on "house of Cards" their first original series, Netflix execs were pretty blunt: they wanted to turn themselves into HBO before HBO figured out how to turn themselves into Netflix
 
2013-04-08 04:28:39 PM
We just moved so I looked into getting cable or satellite or "U-Verse".  What pissed me off was to get HD I'd have to "rent" equipment, so that $30/month teaser suddenly balloons past $60 with the rental fee and HD tier pricing.  Nope.

Netflix, Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime, and an HD antenna give me everything we need.  Next thing I'm waiting for is for Google to get off their ass and get Fiber to the entire country, especially north Orange county.
 
2013-04-08 04:29:42 PM

meat0918: CeroX: Queensowntalia: 'Buttcracks of Bel-Air' is ok, but I prefer 'Wedgies of the West,'  the reality show about cowboys who wear their jeans too tight.

Netflix, Amazon Prime, Crackle

I haven't had cable in over a year, upped my TW cable to highest possible speed and still saving $75+ a month...

And if HBO would get off their high horse and open HBOGo to the general public, i'd even pay up to $15/month just for their service...

I think the fact that Game of Thrones was the highest downloaded show of all time should be a clear indicator that opening up GO to general admission would be in their financial best interest...

If I could bundle Netflix with Go for a decent price, I would.  I just expect HBO to charge an excessive price for it (like $30/month considering what Prime and Netflix go for).


Doubtful actually, the economic so cable tv is such that, while you may be paying about $30/mo for HBO, HBO is getting only about $7 of that, meaning that, if they charged $10/mo for HBOGO standalone, it would represent about a 50% increase in revenue per subscriber.   It's also why Netflix, which charges $7.99/mo can afford to drop "Game of Thrones" like money on their original programming too, because in both cases the goal isn;t ratings but increase in subscriptions and in each case, each new subsribed yeilds about the same cash.
 
2013-04-08 04:31:26 PM
And lest we forget the greatest sacrilege, split-screen talking-over of a great simpsons joke during the credits

Especially the baseball episode with its great song.
 
2013-04-08 04:34:21 PM

letrole: Anyone who owns a TV but haven't turned it on in years also tends to:

1. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


1. Definitely not.
2. Definitely yes.
3. Oh puh-lease! (/derisive snort) On a PC.
4. Eww, gross, no. Physical media is soooo 2005.
5. I'd rather read somewhere quiet without all the germy humans.
6. Guilty as charged.
7. Only about the spandex abuse that takes place there!
8. I usually just sigh and hope they cure cancer soon so I can take it up again some day.
9. Oh shiat! Have we dated?
10. I don't have to feign it. Now a double quarter pounder meal with BBQ sauce for the fries on the other hand.... /drool  Checkers is still better though.
 
2013-04-08 04:44:37 PM

profplump: DORMAMU: \even on cable, all stations are transmitted wirelessly from sattelite (encrypted)

The regulations that require station ID do not apply to licenses that allow encrypted transmissions.


Probably true. However if you are a cable company managing how many feeds, wouldnt you want a simple visual indicator to verify channel 234 is actually 234 on your feed and not crossed with 432?
 
2013-04-08 04:45:36 PM
The only reason I still have cable is for my wife. If I was single I'd have internet only, but my wife isn't there yet. She loves watching college football for some reason (ewww, sports!), so the cable stays. Plus she can just leave the channel on something familiar while she snoozes on the couch until I'm done gaming and we both go to bed.

If it wasn't for the sports though I'd already have set up for her a Google TV or Roku box or something.
 
2013-04-08 04:47:57 PM

Magorn: when asked why they were spending over $100 million on "house of Cards" their first original series, Netflix execs were pretty blunt: they wanted to turn themselves into HBO before HBO figured out how to turn themselves into Netflix


Something tells they are seeing the writing on the wall, and even have the mega deliverer Comcast wondering what their role in all this is going to be.

I say mark it, we'll see a split in Comcast between its cable and internet divisions.
 
2013-04-08 04:48:20 PM

RocketRay: We just moved so I looked into getting cable or satellite or "U-Verse".  What pissed me off was to get HD I'd have to "rent" equipment, so that $30/month teaser suddenly balloons past $60 with the rental fee and HD tier pricing.  Nope.

Netflix, Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime, and an HD antenna give me everything we need.  Next thing I'm waiting for is for Google to get off their ass and get Fiber to the entire country, especially north Orange county.


I'll state this again:

Within the next 10 years, the next major battle for the Internet will be Google w/MS, Sony, Steam (plus a few others) v. the ISPs.  If MS, Sony and the others make a deal w/ Google over their idea of unlimited GB internet for everyone, that'll be the spark that starts it. The likes of Microsoft, Sony, et. al. will push for a "pick-your-own-ISP" plan and open up competition for broadband providers while the ISPs will fight like hell to stop it from happening unless they cut deals with MS, Sony, et. al. to expand bandwidth and eliminate all the caps from their pricing plans (perhaps even lower prices to compete with Google).
 
2013-04-08 04:49:18 PM
Sure wish we had Netflix/Hulu/the rest here!
 
2013-04-08 04:49:25 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: After over 10 years, I am kind of to the point where I don't even watch DVDs or NetFlix anymore or I watch Repo Man over and over again. I watched 10 minutes of Big Bang Theory the other day and I can't believe that anyone is watching it without some kind of incentive or their families are being held hostage or something. 

I will say this, though. I am not trained to be around them any more. I can't ignore TVs in the wild. I wind up just staring.


Weird - I'm the same way with wild tvs.. or those at friend's houses or whatever. I can also watch repo man repeatedly . Fantastic film.. one of my all- time favorites.

/plate o shrimp
 
2013-04-08 04:51:33 PM

Rwa2play: Within the next 10 years, the next major battle for the Internet will be Google w/MS, Sony, Steam (plus a few others) v. the ISPs. If MS, Sony and the others make a deal w/ Google over their idea of unlimited GB internet for everyone, that'll be the spark that starts it. The likes of Microsoft, Sony, et. al. will push for a "pick-your-own-ISP" plan and open up competition for broadband providers while the ISPs will fight like hell to stop it from happening unless they cut deals with MS, Sony, et. al. to expand bandwidth and eliminate all the caps from their pricing plans (perhaps even lower prices to compete with Google).


The internet existing nothing more than a freeway along which we consumers pick and choose what content we want?

That's just crazy talk, here take this suitcase of cash.

...what no I don't work for Comcast
 
2013-04-08 04:51:51 PM
I had no cable or anything for years, but now it's cheaper where I live to get the stupid bundle. The only time the tv is used is while the kids are eating breakfast before school.
 
2013-04-08 04:57:24 PM

ha-ha-guy: That is explains why the farkheads at FX have started putting ads in the shows they distribute digitally.  Now if you buy Archer off iTunes, Amazon, or Google Play you get the honor of forever storing HD ads on your hard drive for FX.

/apparently FX things I somehow forgot how torrents work just because I was playing nice and buying things legally


As an attorney, I'm opposed to illegal downloads.

As someone who had to sit through NINE unskippable minutes of crap to watch a movie I legally bought on disc...avast, me hearties.
 
2013-04-08 05:03:19 PM

Serges: Oh boy, a TV hate thread.  This should be good.


I don't hate TV. I just don't have a lot of use for cable any longer. Between Hulu and Netflix, I don't need cable, and network TV just doesn't have the draw. I get my news online. I get my movies online. There isn't really a reason to have cable if there are better options.
 
2013-04-08 05:09:16 PM
Mac Mini + XBMC 12
PS3 + Netflix
tweaknews.eu + (redacted)
Firefox + ABP
 
2013-04-08 05:15:35 PM

Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?


There's the legit and "illegal" way of going about it. I've found that one can get most shows off of Amazon or iTunes. Between Netflix streaming and purchasing seasons of shows on Amazon, I'd end up paying less than $20/mo for the content. Plenty of devices can do this; I just suggest getting one that periodically updates. My "Smart TV" hasn't had an update so Netflix is slow to load and the interface for Amazon is atrocious.

The illegal way is to setup a HTPC with either WMC, XBMC, or MythTV and use a program to automatically download pirated copies of shows. Couch Potato for Windows is a good example where it can use BitTorrent or Usenet to download the shows. Paying a Usenet provider outside of the US is probably the best since the **AAs don't/can't track and they can't do a DMCA takedown like they can here in the states. The Six Strikes initiative is only targeting BitTorrent last I checked.

/I have yet to convince the wife to cut the cord since she likes to put on random shiat to make noise or pass the time. If I could convince her, I'd cut the cord tomorrow.
 
2013-04-08 05:20:01 PM

Magorn: meat0918: CeroX: Queensowntalia: 'Buttcracks of Bel-Air' is ok, but I prefer 'Wedgies of the West,'  the reality show about cowboys who wear their jeans too tight.

Netflix, Amazon Prime, Crackle

I haven't had cable in over a year, upped my TW cable to highest possible speed and still saving $75+ a month...

And if HBO would get off their high horse and open HBOGo to the general public, i'd even pay up to $15/month just for their service...

I think the fact that Game of Thrones was the highest downloaded show of all time should be a clear indicator that opening up GO to general admission would be in their financial best interest...

If I could bundle Netflix with Go for a decent price, I would.  I just expect HBO to charge an excessive price for it (like $30/month considering what Prime and Netflix go for).

Doubtful actually, the economic so cable tv is such that, while you may be paying about $30/mo for HBO, HBO is getting only about $7 of that, meaning that, if they charged $10/mo for HBOGO standalone, it would represent about a 50% increase in revenue per subscriber.   It's also why Netflix, which charges $7.99/mo can afford to drop "Game of Thrones" like money on their original programming too, because in both cases the goal isn;t ratings but increase in subscriptions and in each case, each new subsribed yeilds about the same cash.


You're forgetting, though, that the cable providers provide all the back-end financing for HBO.  HBO doesn't pay for most advertising, they don't have to run a billing service or customer support or anything really.  All they do is create and purchase content and the cable providers do all the rest.  If they were to go standalone, they'd have to charge more to make up for all that cost.
 
2013-04-08 05:20:03 PM

PirateFuzzball: /I have yet to convince the wife to cut the cord since she likes to put on random shiat to make noise or pass the time. If I could convince her, I'd cut the cord tomorrow.


Would be far cheaper to cut the wife.
 
2013-04-08 05:20:49 PM
Subby nailed exactly why I canceled my cable.
 
2013-04-08 05:28:14 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: [i50.tinypic.com image 600x451]

I only keep cable for the porn. But I don't pay extra for it.


watch it there buddy... you'll get perma-banned for posting NSFW pics like that in a thread!!!
 
2013-04-08 05:31:16 PM
I've been internet-only for about a year.  We're saving about $60/month.  Wife finds all the shows she wants to watch on Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon.  My 3 year old watches a surprising amount of kid-friendly stuff on You Tube (damn you, Racegrooves!), and the rest.  Me...well, it's not like you have to go far for cat videos and people hurting themselves badly.
 
2013-04-08 05:41:27 PM
AMC and sports, that's it.

/It's sad how much I pay to watch Breaking Bad and the Blue Jays
//yes, I should watch AMC shows on Netflix and watch the game at a bar like nature intended.
 
2013-04-08 05:53:33 PM

Magorn: MyKingdomForYourHorse: louiedog: You still need a cable subscription to watch HBO Go.

Not much longer perhaps

They are looking at the gobs of farking money Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu are making turning to content deliverers like Comcast and Dish and asking "Why the fark aren't you paying us more?"

when asked why they were spending over $100 million on "house of Cards" their first original series, Netflix execs were pretty blunt: they wanted to turn themselves into HBO before HBO figured out how to turn themselves into Netflix


Yep ... so much this.  I love House of Cards ... absolutely intoxicating, which is so very rare these days on television programming.
 
2013-04-08 05:56:39 PM

DORMAMU: However if you are a cable company managing how many feeds, wouldnt you want a simple visual indicator to verify channel 234 is actually 234 on your feed and not crossed with 432?


Not even a little. I'd want a digital indicator so the computer can do that for me.
 
2013-04-08 05:58:27 PM
Once you get rid of TV and are without it for a few months, you'll definitely get used to it. The shows that you really want to watch are available online, or are on Roku / Netflix / Amazon.

I gladly pay $1.89 an episode for The Walking Dead and Breaking Bad so I can watch them commercial free. I watched the latest episode of The Walking Dead live at my brother's house and it was pretty appalling with the tons of commercials.
 
2013-04-08 06:05:33 PM
the whole point of subscribing to cable is to watch current shows and live programming (sports, news, etc)

people who subscribe value this content and can't obtain it otherwise. those that "unplug" decide that this is not a priority for them and all they want is the ability to stream re-runs and movies. If networks care about the tide of viewers, they need to focus on improving the quality of their shows to keep current broadcasts a priority for their customers.
 
2013-04-08 06:25:42 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: santadog: TVs are for people who still can't attach a photo to an email.  Like my parents.


Well, why don't you go upstairs and help them, son?



I think it's because they refuse to learn after I've shown them dozens of times.

Also, attaching a picture is easy when you understand how to navigate to the picture.  Click the paperclip icon and select the picture >> DONE.  They can write this down on a post-it note.

Teaching someone how to navigate to the location of the file or picture is takes much more time to explain (on the order of minutes instead of seconds).  I'd gladly take that time but the when I do all I hear are complaints and all I see are glazed-over expressions.

It's like saying "Teach a man to fish..." and being interrupted with, "I hate fish and worms."
 
2013-04-08 06:43:58 PM

Hella Fark: people who subscribe value this content and can't obtain it otherwise


The Internet hasn't figured out "live" yet, at least not in any standardized and efficient form. But the Internet is pretty good at "current" with respect to the weekly timescale of most TV.
 
2013-04-08 06:52:24 PM
2-year price on Verizon Fios for TV + Internets + telephone = $80/mo.

2-year price on Verizon Fios for Internets alone = $75/mo.

Looks like I'm keeping the TV for a while.

/they pretty much know that the only product anyone really wants is Internet.
 
2013-04-08 06:53:21 PM

Phadeguy: Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?

We cut the chord.  We use a regular PC hooked up to our TV and use that for everything.  We have a wireless keyboard with track pad (Logitech Dinovo Edge) and a standard programmable universal remote (again a nice Logitech product, but I don't know the model off hand) for the sound system and everything else.  It is as simple as using your own computer.  There is no need for a specialized "dumbed down TV device" thing like a Roku unless you just want to use a remote with no keyboard.


Are you me?  Seriously though, i saw this earlier and it ties in nicely with this story.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/08/us-newscorp-fox-idUSBRE937 0V V20130408
 
2013-04-08 07:04:12 PM

CeroX: Queensowntalia: 'Buttcracks of Bel-Air' is ok, but I prefer 'Wedgies of the West,'  the reality show about cowboys who wear their jeans too tight.

Netflix, Amazon Prime, Crackle

I haven't had cable in over a year, upped my TW cable to highest possible speed and still saving $75+ a month...

And if HBO would get off their high horse and open HBOGo to the general public, i'd even pay up to $15/month just for their service...

I think the fact that Game of Thrones was the highest downloaded show of all time should be a clear indicator that opening up GO to general admission would be in their financial best interest...


I've seen every episode but don't have cable. I watch it streaming online the day after it's on. Give me a netflix-like feed of it with no buffering, and even I would consider paying a reasonable amount for them to keep making shows like that. The 5 or 6 hours/week I watch TV shows isn't worth paying for the 16,000 hours/week of stuff I don't watch. I cut the cable 18 years ago and have never regretted it. My last months of cable cost $10/month.
On the plus side, with HDTV over the air, we have a dozen or so choices with more being added with each local broadcaster broadcasting up to 4 channels.
 
2013-04-08 07:11:33 PM

Gosling: Igor Jakovsky: If you watch an hour long tv show on say Netflix, the show is only 40 mins or so long. A full third of the airtime is farking commercials.

The thing about ads is that they will go wherever your eyes actually are. A marketer's job (and I did major in marketing in college) is to make sure you're seeing ads somewhere, somehow, someway. If you move away from them, the job is to find out where you've moved to and put the ads there instead. If you're running AdBlock, the ads will just be integrated into somewhere AdBlock can't touch. If you're fast-forwarding through ads, the ads will start being constructed in such a fashion that you can recognize them even at fast-forward speed (and they are doing this; advertisers have noticed that people actually pay MORE attention to commercials when fast-forwarding because they need to know when the ads are ending and the show's starting again).



I was referring to watching these shows on Netflix where the ads cant get to me.  I guess therecould be product placement in the shows themselves.  I wouldnt be surprised if one day Netflix starts sticking unclosable ads at the beginning of their videos like you see on some online streaming content.  Ive also noticed what you are talking about with regards to sticking ads in places you cant fast forward though like at the bottom or corner of the program.  Ive noticed this alot since Tivo became widespread.

Also since you were a marketing major, maybe you can explain to me briefly why ads supposedly work?  Ive watched Pepsi ads all my life and I have yet to switch from Coke as an example.  McDonalds has better fries so I there rather than BK if Im getting some fast food.  Creepy Burger King mascot isnt going to make their fries any less crappy or make me want to go there. When I was a kid sure, I wanted every cool toy or tasty looking treat that I saw on TV.  As an adult not so much.  I am out of the coveted 18-34 age bracket that supposedly everybody markets to by a couple of years now though.  It must work somehow or it wouldnt be a multi-billion dollar industry.
 
2013-04-08 07:14:03 PM

Tax Boy: 2-year price on Verizon Fios for TV + Internets + telephone = $80/mo.

2-year price on Verizon Fios for Internets alone = $75/mo.

Looks like I'm keeping the TV for a while.

/they pretty much know that the only product anyone really wants is Internet.


I'm only paying $50/month total for 50/25 FiOS. Guess it pays to be an early adopter. Verizon put up the fiber lines on the main trunk less than 1/4 mile from my house in 1995, it sat there unused till the fights with the cable companies were sorted out. I was the first on my street that got it in 2005.
 
2013-04-08 07:23:03 PM

MarkEC: I've seen every episode but don't have cable. I watch it streaming online the day after it's on. Give me a netflix-like feed of it with no buffering, and even I would consider paying a reasonable amount for them to keep making shows like that. The 5 or 6 hours/week I watch TV shows isn't worth paying for the 16,000 hours/week of stuff I don't watch. I cut the cable 18 years ago and have never regretted it. My last months of cable cost $10/month.
On the plus side, with HDTV over the air, we have a dozen or so choices with more being added with each local broadcaster broadcasting up to 4 channels.


And therein lies the problem.  You would "consider" paying a "reasonable" amount for their service.  The problem is that "a reasonable amount" is different for everybody, and there's no indication that most people downloading the show would pay anything for it.  I mean, The Big Bang Theory and HIMYM were the third and fourth-most downloaded shows last year for Christ's sake.  They are broadcast free over the air and are put online for free the next day and still 3,000,000 people felt the need to download them.  Plus HBO would probably have to strike out on their own sans cable companies with such a service and, at least at this point, that's not a good idea.

Now, if they could find a way (as it sounds like they're trying to do) to tie their service to cable internet providers, they might be able to pull it off.
 
2013-04-08 07:26:53 PM
All the lying bigots passing the blame onto their wives as the reason they still have cable are transparent, pathetic and don't deserve wives. I don't know a single woman who is such a mouth breathing moron that she can't operate a Netflix interface. Just admit you're keeping cable for sports, soft core and your weird obsession with The Real Housewives of Bumfark.

I have an LG Tv with built in apps and a web browser. The web browser is garbage with like a 25Mb cache so you have to clear it after every single page. Netflix, Crackle, Snag Films, Vtuner and Pandora work great. YouTube refuses to ever remember your login info so you have to set it up with a device and/or pc everytime you want to use it...or just more simply stream it from an iPhone. The Hulu app makes me want to throw the whole tv out the window; it's Hulu's fault, they need to upgrade their servers, they can't handle the demand they get and it makes it impossible to stream anything except at the lowest possible bandwidth during normal hours. Most of the other apps are complete trash as are the games. I have an old MacBook HDMI'd to the tv for access to other streaming content and my 4TB music/movie/tv show library which I access using iTunes 10.7 Coverflow. My iPhone doubles as a remote for the laptop using Hippo Remote and for the TV using the LG app by just being on the same WiFi Network. I have a mostly reliable 20Mbps fiber optic connection with one of the only two companies who serve my block. It's way better than the ATT "service" I was stuck with where I last lived, but I would much prefer to have more options.
 
2013-04-08 07:57:26 PM
I was, once upon a time, one of those "zero teevee" people.  I had no TV for several years age 18-22 and then a few years later after a brief love affair with cable that ended badly, went over to Netflix only.  Had that for several years and lots of  books in the meantime, but now I live in a houseful of TV addicts and I admit, I love it.  I still don't watch as much as the guys do, but hey, My Strange Addiction and Hoarding?  loves it.  And, Ancient Aliens, too :)

Also, I don't think that foregoing TV and reading books makes a person any smarter.  I read lots of moldy oldies and tons of trash as well over my years as being TV free and as far as I can tell, it hasn't raised my IQ one iota, but your mileage may vary.  There's plenty of written crep out there that competes successfully with the "real housewives of whatever whorevillage" etc, etc.
 
2013-04-08 08:00:43 PM

letrole: I need attention.


The sun is setting on your career, little man. Time to hang up the keyboard.
 
2013-04-08 08:03:26 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: santadog: TVs are for people who still can't attach a photo to an email.  Like my parents.


Well, why don't you go upstairs and help them, son?


My basement in Colorado, oddly enough, does not go to my mother's kitchen in Ohio.

/female.
 
2013-04-08 08:25:13 PM
albert71292:

Not going to pay for any streaming services until I get faster bandwidth. Did the free 30-day Netflix trial, but cancelled before billing started, because of excess buffering.

wtf?  I have 1 meg DSL and netflix works great.  How long ago was this?!
 
2013-04-08 08:29:02 PM
I've tried to suggest cutting the cord (I do watch some shows, but I am also perfectly happy waiting until its on AmPrime or Netflix), but my husband is a complete tech-head.  HAS to have the sharpest looking picture, HAS to have a great surround sound, LOVES playing his gaming systems, and LOVES his sports.

It's not happening for me.  LEAVE ME!  SAVE YOURSELVES!!!
 
2013-04-08 08:33:37 PM
I have become "Area Man" and I am not ashamed. TV made me this way.
 
2013-04-08 08:33:58 PM
Ctrl+F "Game of Thrones".

duh.
 
2013-04-08 08:45:52 PM

mrmaster: albert71292:

Not going to pay for any streaming services until I get faster bandwidth. Did the free 30-day Netflix trial, but cancelled before billing started, because of excess buffering.

wtf?  I have 1 meg DSL and netflix works great.  How long ago was this?!


About 4 months ago, on my 6Mbps DSL connection. Might have been because my son was online doing stuff also, but if I can't watch when I want, no point in subscribing.
 
2013-04-08 09:09:52 PM
o.onionstatic.com
 
2013-04-08 10:05:17 PM
Amen subby.
 
2013-04-08 10:06:47 PM
I still have my TV.  Makes a good place to plug my Hulu into.
 
2013-04-08 10:15:13 PM
I have a TV but I dont subscribe to network service.  I think there are very few "zero TV" households.
 
2013-04-08 11:08:35 PM
Cut the cable 20+ years ago when logos started infesting TV, before that I'd used VCRs to bypass commercials.

I can't stand to be anywhere with a TV any more, too much garbage, logos everywhere, and the program isn't viewable because of all the junk in the way.

Likewise I won't use any internet device that I did not set up. Far too much rubbish.

I get my TV from DVDs from Netflix, or in some cases when the prices actually gets down to reasonable, I'll buy discs. Or spend an hour or so watching cat videos on YouTube (More interesting than most modern TV) or random other thing from various places around the net.

I do have a TV, used mostly when the weather gets ugly and the most up-to-date info is on local channels. The last time I turned it on was to watch the ball drop. This is an old analog Multi-System TV with a digital converter. I have a DVD player, but I use my computer for most of my DVD watching.
 
2013-04-08 11:13:26 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: CeroX: Jument: My wife and I watch a lot of TV. Don't hate us, we also do marathons and triathlons and both have decent jobs. Anyways, I want to cut the cord because cable costs too damn much. Currently we have cable Tivos which are awesome, primarily because WAF is high and I rarely need to help my wife with anything.

The thing I'm worried about is that once the cord is cut our TV will come from a number of different sources. I am worried that my wife will not be happy and that I in turn will not be happy because I'm constantly going to have to help her. Is there a solution (perhaps Roku?) that I should be looking at to make cordless TV a pain-free experience?

PS3

Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Crackle, Anime Alley, VUDU + Blue Ray, Dvd, and 3D, as well as able to view and play files from any windows media server or online cloud media server...

this reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Kramer decided he wanted to stop US Mail delivery to his home:

Postal Employee: "May I help you?"
Kramer: "Yeah, I'd like to cancel my mail."
Postal Employee: "Certainly. How long would you like us to hold it?"
Kramer: "Oh, no, no. I don't think you get me. I want out, permanently."
Newman: "I'll handle this, Violet. Why don't you take your three hour break?
Oh, calm down, everyone. No one's cancelling any mail."
Kramer: "Oh, yes, I am."
Newman: "What about your bills?"
Kramer: "The bank can pay 'em."
Newman: "The bank. What about your cards and letters?"
Kramer: "E-mail, telephones, fax machines. Fedex, telex, telegrams,
holograms."
Newman: "All right, it's true! Of course nobody needs mail. What do you
think, you're so clever for figuring that out? But you don't know the half of
what goes on here. So just walk away, Kramer. I beg of you."
Supervisor: "Is everything all right here, Postal Employee Newman?"
Newman: "Yes, sir, I believe everything is all squared away. Isn't it, Mr.
Kramer?"
Kramer: "Oh, yeah. As long as I stop getting mail!"


And I fear it will end much the same way ...


www.bigjoshcox.com
 
2013-04-08 11:36:09 PM

letrole: Anyone who owns a TV but haven't turned it on in years also tends to:

1. Ride a bike to work wearing spandex stretch trousers
2. Drink microbrewery beer
3. Watch Japanese children's cartoons on a Mac
4. Appreciate the warmth of vinyl phonograph records
5. Read books at Starbucks
6. Claim to prefer girls with small breasts
7. Make snide remarks about Wal-Mart.
8. Walk past a smoker and force pretentious coughing noises
9. Take comfort in believing size doesn't matter
10. Feign disgust at the idea of eating a Big Mac


What?  Are you claiming we're not American?

Well, I'm not.

I don't own a TV... I own a computer.

Drink New Brunswick microbrews... still own the records and record player I had in the 80's... snide about Wallmart, yup... all boobies are worth celebrating... Harvey's burgers kick the ass of Big Mac's.
 
2013-04-08 11:43:14 PM

St. Celery: All the lying bigots passing the blame onto their wives as the reason they still have cable are transparent, pathetic and don't deserve wives. I don't know a single woman who is such a mouth breathing moron that she can't operate a Netflix interface. Just admit you're keeping cable for sports, soft core and your weird obsession with The Real Housewives of Bumfark.


This. My wife was brain injured in 2007 yet she is able to find what she wants to watch on the Roku by sorting through Netflix, Plex and the K-Drama channel.

Was thinking about a WD device, but then the new Roku came out with a headphone jack on the remote. I think I'll add that to the collection of Rokus. Also, the new search interface is supposed to let you find anything across all the channels on the Roku, be it Amazon, Netflix of Hulu or Youtube. We'll see how that works out. Plex transcodes ont eh fly so I don't have to worry about re-encoding anything anymore either. Nice.
 
2013-04-09 01:23:59 AM
I pay an extra $3 a month for the most basic of the basic cable packages, along with my internet access.  I get the broadcast stations, the standard cable allotment (USA, AMC, Comedy Central, Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, etc) and a couple of international news stations like RT, NHK World, that French 24 hour news channel I don't remember the name of.

Most of the shows I actually watch I access through other sources (and a high percentage of them are BBC so I couldn't watch them via cable if I wanted to) but it's nice having TV just to have something on in the background.  NHK World is great for that- interspersed news and informational progamming - and the informational stuff is almost always interesting, and while the news is focused on Asia, I've also seen better reporting of American news there than I have on CNN, and RT has much better coverage of stuff in the middle east.
 
2013-04-09 02:00:30 AM

MikeVx: Cut the cable 20+ years ago when logos started infesting TV, before that I'd used VCRs to bypass commercials.

I can't stand to be anywhere with a TV any more, too much garbage, logos everywhere, and the program isn't viewable because of all the junk in the way.

Likewise I won't use any internet device that I did not set up. Far too much rubbish.

I get my TV from DVDs from Netflix, or in some cases when the prices actually gets down to reasonable, I'll buy discs. Or spend an hour or so watching cat videos on YouTube (More interesting than most modern TV) or random other thing from various places around the net.

I do have a TV, used mostly when the weather gets ugly and the most up-to-date info is on local channels. The last time I turned it on was to watch the ball drop. This is an old analog Multi-System TV with a digital converter. I have a DVD player, but I use my computer for most of my DVD watching.


What do you call it TV? TV is a nickname. Nicknames are for friends, and TV ain't no friend of yours.
 
2013-04-09 03:50:53 AM

Chevello: St. Celery:

This. My wife was brain injured in 2007 yet she is able to find what she wants to watch on the Roku by sorting through Netflix, Plex and the K-Drama channel.


Glad to hear she's doing well. My sister was injured in 2009, and made an amazing recovery, although sometimes all the DVR/Roku/etc give her fits when trying to figure out the hook-ups.
 
2013-04-09 04:52:23 AM
When I first signed up for cable back in 1990, I paid $15 a month for 101 channels. The only reason I didn't get more is because I refused to pay the extra $10 a month for cinemax, HBO, showtime and the movie channel with the box rental (it was a package deal).

Now there's a lot more channels, but nothing to watch... and it's $96 a month for the basic digital cable package. Not the bundle with the phone and the interwebs, just tv. For the bundle it's almost $200 a month.

F*ck that.

I have a library of over 1200 movies and half again that in anime and animation on dvd and bluray that I've accumulated over that time. If I want news and info I'll use my DSL @ $22 a month. The only reason the cable companies have been able to do that in my area is because there's almost no competition. If you want a different cable service, you have to move... and there are only two services for the whole county. If you want cable tv hey have you by the balls, and price their offerings accordingly.

I gave up the box almost a year ago. If these corporations want me back, they are going to have to readjust their pricing structure so that it's a bit less outrageous. I can do plenty of other things with that $100 a month... outside is a good thing, and it's HD too, without a cable box rental.

/and before you ask, I live in an apartment
//no antennas for local stations
///signals blocked by many hills
 
2013-04-09 08:40:45 AM

profplump: The Internet hasn't figured out "live" yet, at least not in any standardized and efficient form. But the Internet is pretty good at "current" with respect to the weekly timescale of most TV.


Hockeystreams they do every single NHL game live and in 720p
 
2013-04-09 12:54:41 PM
Yeah, hi, I gave up on TV 10 years ago.

Just finished reading "Thrive Fitness", next: "Salt, Sugar, Fat" -- I am a corporate nightmare.
 
2013-04-09 02:36:40 PM

Hella Fark: the whole point of subscribing to cable is to watch current shows and live programming (sports, news, etc)

people who subscribe value this content and can't obtain it otherwise. those that "unplug" decide that this is not a priority for them and all they want is the ability to stream re-runs and movies. If networks care about the tide of viewers, they need to focus on improving the quality of their shows to keep current broadcasts a priority for their customers.


I agree on the live shows.  But for just current shows, there's too much content out there to be able to keep up with it all as it comes out.  So what if I start watching season 1 episode 1 of a TV show several years after it aired?  The only aspect I lose is the ability to converse about it with my friends, which, after one good marathon weekend isn't a problem anymore.  (gotta say, I've grown quite fond of the marathon sessions, watch an entire season commercial free in one day).  If it's a good show, I'll still like it no matter when I start watching it.
 
2013-04-09 02:57:14 PM
Hey Learning Channel.
Remember when I used to watch your shows? When they were about things like this:
www.hoax-slayer.com
Or this:
avoision.com
Or this:
www.en.iamistanbul.tv

And then you replaced all those with this:
images.christianpost.com

And now I don't watch your station anymore.
Why do you think that might be???
 
2013-04-09 03:17:56 PM
Know what the best thing about watching all my TV online? Not having ads for shiatty shows pop up randomly and cover the bottom third of the screen.
 
2013-04-09 04:37:17 PM

WhatTheHellAreYouLookinAt: Hey Learning Channel.
Remember when I used to watch your shows? When they were about things like ...

...And now I don't watch your station anymore.
Why do you think that might be???


Because they'd rather replace you with 20 people who love Springer and are moving "up" to higher brow entertainment?

It took them a while but they and other stations finally learned to pander to the lowest common denominator for more money.
 
2013-04-09 05:06:00 PM
The Flexecutioner:

Because they'd rather replace you with 20 people who love Springer and are moving "up" to higher brow entertainment?

It took them a while but they and other stations finally learned to pander to the lowest common denominator for more money.



The sad thing is, and I'm ashamed to admit it, you're right. The only question that remains is why are they beating around the bush, and not just cutting to the chase?

codinghorror.typepad.com
 
2013-04-10 08:27:06 AM
I have plenty of TVs. I just don't have cable. Or satellite. But each console gets its own TV.
 
2013-04-10 11:13:17 AM
Obviously, they have no conception what "Zero TV" really means. Television is a "Medium." This is because none of it is "Well-done" or "Rare". What little we watch of TV can easily be gotten over the internet. News is also better when gotten from various sources, rather than spoon-fed through a particular station's "spin-cycle".
 
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