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2013-04-08 12:39:44 PM  
The Founding Fathers have a significant beef with this idea.
 
2013-04-08 12:39:51 PM  
So farking what?

Which domestic beer sells more than any other beer year after year by a wide margin in the USA?

Bud Light.
 
2013-04-08 12:39:55 PM  

PainInTheASP: And roughly the same number of Americans gave a big-ole "thumbs-up" to our previous administration during the entirety of its term.


Exactly. And 1/3 of Germans would like Hitler back.

There is always one third of your population that is batshiat. No matter what.
 
2013-04-08 12:40:26 PM  

kryhme: I'm not a christian and I don't see this as a problem.

We have official trees, birds, songs, pies, etc.  Adding religion is just another one of those things.


That was my first thought, yeah.  "Official Religion" doesn't mean the same thing as, "A government within the tenets of...."  How it's phrased means a lot.
 
2013-04-08 12:40:31 PM  
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2013-04-08 12:40:42 PM  

Publikwerks: It's funny that the people who scream the loudest against Sharia Law in the United States would be ok with it with a simple name change, like calling it Jesus Law.


Somehow I doubt that.

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.35By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."  -John 13:34-35

I think Jesus Law woud rather freak them out if they actually "studied it up"
 
2013-04-08 12:41:02 PM  

Publikwerks: It's funny that the people who scream the loudest against Sharia Law in the United States would be ok with it with a simple name change, like calling it Jesus Law.


THIS!!!
 
2013-04-08 12:41:33 PM  

wxboy: So one-third of Americans don't believe in the 1st amendment.  I bet most of those also vehemently defend the existence of the 2nd amendment.


It says that slightly more than a third of U.S. adults favor establishing Christianity as an official religion of their state.  The 1st Amendment only prohibits Congress from establishing a religion.  It was not intended to prevent state establishments.
 
2013-04-08 12:41:36 PM  
When I moved to Canada, I had relatives warn me that Christ could not save me if I left God's country (the US).

I actually called my 90 year old grandma a "stupid farking coont" and don't get any Christmas cards. C'est la vie.

//Canada, though Godless, is nice.
 
2013-04-08 12:41:59 PM  
Holy cow. Third of Americans support Christianity as official religion are homeschooled and obviously learn nothing of the Constitution.

/I personally delight in the anti-intellectualism of the Right.
 
2013-04-08 12:42:02 PM  

Kali-Yuga: The real question is, how can christianity be the official religion when Bill O'Reilly told me christianity isn't a religion, it's a philosophy?


He's Catholic.  A not-unsubstantial part of that particular 33% would also say that disqualifies him as a "True Christian."
 
2013-04-08 12:42:36 PM  

olddeegee: Which "Christianty" are they talking about? Catholics? Baptists? Jehovah's Witness'? They hate each other. We could be like Northern Ireland only bigger.


Yes but only the Catholics and Episcopalians have any real experience as a state religion (maybe Presbyterians, too). Oh and Mormons, if you consider a state to be a state.

Strong probably our friends who polled wanting a state religion would go with Hitler's neutral Protestant Church.

The suspicion is that if the government has a religion, these guys don't feel the need to do any of that religious stuff yourself and the whole weekend is free.
 
2013-04-08 12:42:40 PM  
News Flash... the average American is stoopid as fark.

/NSS
 
2013-04-08 12:43:02 PM  
Apropos of nothing, John Lennon's statement is still correct.
 
2013-04-08 12:43:24 PM  
Sort of want. The blow back would be amazing, and these gluttonous sloths know nothing of true persecution.
 
2013-04-08 12:43:29 PM  

CrazyCracka420: [www.tillhecomes.org image 570x387]


I like the cut of your jib.
 
2013-04-08 12:44:34 PM  

Kali-Yuga: Flappyhead: Why do a third of Americans hate the Constitution?  Why are they so disrespectful of the Founding Fathers?

Stupidity, a lack of education, and willful ignorance, I mean we are talking about religious people here.

The real question is, how can christianity be the official religion when Bill O'Reilly told me christianity isn't a religion, it's a philosophy?

http://atheism.about.com/b/2012/12/19/bill-oreilly-christianity-is-n ot -a-religion-its-a-philosophy.htm


Actually to be fair, most religions do contain a lot of philosophy. Even someone who does not believe that Jesus was the son of god might say that they are a fan of his teachings. Love thy neighbor, let he who is without sin cast the first stone, etc. In some ways, I argue that Buddhism is a philosophy and not a religion. It has no creation myth, which seems to me to be the defining thing between a religion and a philosophy.
 
2013-04-08 12:44:45 PM  
To be fair, you can always find a 1/3 of the populace to support something stupid.
 
2013-04-08 12:44:54 PM  

SkinnyHead: wxboy: So one-third of Americans don't believe in the 1st amendment.  I bet most of those also vehemently defend the existence of the 2nd amendment.

It says that slightly more than a third of U.S. adults favor establishing Christianity as an official religion of their state.  The 1st Amendment only prohibits Congress from establishing a religion.  It was not intended to prevent state establishments.


So, if states can establish a state religion, we could potentially see Jesusland running from the border of Texas in the west to the eastern seaboard south of the Mason-Dixon line.
 
2013-04-08 12:44:55 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Sort of want. The blow back would be amazing, and these gluttonous sloths know nothing of true persecution.


Odhinn demands sacrifices!
 
2013-04-08 12:44:59 PM  
 
2013-04-08 12:45:00 PM  

SkinnyHead: wxboy: So one-third of Americans don't believe in the 1st amendment.  I bet most of those also vehemently defend the existence of the 2nd amendment.

It says that slightly more than a third of U.S. adults favor establishing Christianity as an official religion of their state.  The 1st Amendment only prohibits Congress from establishing a religion.  It was not intended to prevent state establishments.


What's that other one....the 14th maybe? What's that one do?
 
2013-04-08 12:45:20 PM  

violentsalvation: ThatGuyGreg: Meaning 66% of Americans don't... I'm OK with that.

66.6%, hilariously appropriate.


I'll be honest, I was not expecting that.
 
2013-04-08 12:47:31 PM  
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Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
 
2013-04-08 12:48:56 PM  

Jake Havechek: So farking what?

Which domestic beer sells more than any other beer year after year by a wide margin in the USA?

Bud Light.


FINALLY, someone has the balls to say what's really the cause of all that's wrong with this country.
 
2013-04-08 12:49:29 PM  

Name_Omitted: Publikwerks: It's funny that the people who scream the loudest against Sharia Law in the United States would be ok with it with a simple name change, like calling it Jesus Law.

Somehow I doubt that.

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.35By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."  -John 13:34-35

I think Jesus Law woud rather freak them out if they actually "studied it up"


I wasn't saying change Sharia law. I was saying just re-brand it Jesus' Code. Do a control -h and replace "Muhammad" with "Jesus" and "Allah" with "God".
 
2013-04-08 12:49:49 PM  
Fights to make homosexuality illegal. Check.
Believe women are incapable of making decisions about their own bodies. Check.
Rejects all other religions as false. Check.
Wants religion to be the basis for civil law. Check.

No, I was referring to Muslim Extremists, why would you be thinking "Republicans?"
 
2013-04-08 12:49:53 PM  
Name_Omitted:

Somehow I doubt that.

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.35By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."  -John 13:34-35

I think Jesus Law woud rather freak them out if they actually "studied it up"



But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. (Luke 22:36 )

But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me (Luke 19:27)

Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it. (Matthew 10:34-39)

I have come to cast fire upon the Earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism* to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father* against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. (Luke 12:49-53)
 
2013-04-08 12:50:36 PM  
"...and 19 percent [were] "not sure."

How the hell can you be "not sure" about something like that?  Seriously, 1/5 of the people surveyed can't figure out whether they want a religious state or not??

That's some scary shiat,man....
 
2013-04-08 12:50:47 PM  
Hasten the Rapture!  That way maybe those of us left behind will get a break from this crap.
 
2013-04-08 12:52:23 PM  
www.godsboard.com
 
2013-04-08 12:53:21 PM  

voodoolady: SkinnyHead: wxboy: So one-third of Americans don't believe in the 1st amendment.  I bet most of those also vehemently defend the existence of the 2nd amendment.

It says that slightly more than a third of U.S. adults favor establishing Christianity as an official religion of their state.  The 1st Amendment only prohibits Congress from establishing a religion.  It was not intended to prevent state establishments.

What's that other one....the 14th maybe? What's that one do?


The Due Process Clause of the 14th says that no state may deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.  A state establishment of Christianity would not deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law, would it?
 
2013-04-08 12:53:54 PM  
In related news, 1/3 of Americans haven't a clue about their own founding documents.
 
2013-04-08 12:54:03 PM  

nekom: Actually to be fair, most religions do contain a lot of philosophy. Even someone who does not believe that Jesus was the son of god might say that they are a fan of his teachings. Love thy neighbor, let he who is without sin cast the first stone, etc. In some ways, I argue that Buddhism is a philosophy and not a religion. It has no creation myth, which seems to me to be the defining thing between a religion and a philosophy.



Philosophy provides questions that may never be answered, Religion provides answers that may never be questioned.
 
2013-04-08 12:55:33 PM  
That's an awful lot of christians that think christianity shouldn't be the official religion.
 
2013-04-08 12:56:08 PM  

ISO15693: Hey - has anyone mocked the religious yet?


No.

Mocking wanna-be theocrats only looks like "mocking the religious" to the wanna-be theocrats themselves, and they are insane, evil, and stupid, so who cares?
 
2013-04-08 12:57:08 PM  
I would strongly oppose this. I will not live under a theocracy. Muslim or Christian...I would oppose either controlling my government.
 
2013-04-08 12:58:14 PM  
I am a Christian and also among the 33% who think declaring Christianity as the official religion of the U.S. as a terrible idea.

I don't ever want to see one religion "selected by the government" over all others.  That idea frightens me...
 
2013-04-08 12:59:19 PM  
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Now piss off.
 
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2013-04-08 12:59:45 PM  
Here's the thing that truly frustrates me about the Christian Right in the united states.  They treat the bible and the constitution with the same disrespect   They'll focus in on one very specific passage and then ignore and reject any other pieces that contradict them.  If the passages on homosexuality really are that bad, so are the ones right next to it that prohibit eating shellfish, shaving, and wearing blended fabrics.  Why aren't they pushing for those things as well?  Yes, people should be able to own guns, but we also have the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of happiness.  Gun violence is a violation of those non-amendment rights.
Its so frustrating that they think that they should be allowed to only follow the parts of law/religion that they like.
 
2013-04-08 01:00:32 PM  
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."  Carlin

The number of the beast shall be 6, 6, and 7, rounded to the nearest tenth.
 
2013-04-08 01:00:44 PM  

ModernLuddite: //Canada, though Godless, is nice.


And by "nice" he means frozen 8 months a year. No thanks.
 
2013-04-08 01:00:46 PM  
Simple way to stop that. Tell all the Baptists and Lutherians they have to convert to Catholicism and vice versa and tell the same thing to the Pentacostals and Mormons. The epic head explosions would stop that in a jiffy.
 
2013-04-08 01:00:54 PM  
Never happen. The whole thing will fall apart when christians realize they hate other types of cristians too much.

/Nonsense... those people aren't REAL christians...
 
2013-04-08 01:02:05 PM  

Kali-Yuga: Philosophy provides questions that may never be answered, Religion provides answers that may never be questioned.


It's all good and it's all in fun. Now get in the pit and try to love someone.
 
2013-04-08 01:03:07 PM  

Galileo's Daughter: SkinnyHead: wxboy: So one-third of Americans don't believe in the 1st amendment.  I bet most of those also vehemently defend the existence of the 2nd amendment.

It says that slightly more than a third of U.S. adults favor establishing Christianity as an official religion of their state.  The 1st Amendment only prohibits Congress from establishing a religion.  It was not intended to prevent state establishments.

So, if states can establish a state religion, we could potentially see Jesusland running from the border of Texas in the west to the eastern seaboard south of the Mason-Dixon line.


North Carolina was going to try just that
http://www.wral.com/proposal-supports-state-religion-in-north-caroli na /12296876/

"SECTION 1. The North Carolina General Assembly asserts that the Constitution of the United States of America does not prohibit states or their subsidiaries from making laws respecting an establishment of religion.

SECTION 2. The North Carolina General Assembly does not recognize federal court rulings which prohibit and otherwise regulate the State of North Carolina, its public schools or any political subdivisions of the State from making laws respecting an establishment of religion."

It died though
http://www.wral.com/state-religion-proposal-dies-in-house/12305444/
 
2013-04-08 01:03:29 PM  

ModernLuddite: I actually called my 90 year old grandma a "stupid farking coont" and don't get any Christmas cards. C'est la vie.


Wow - you are a precious little peach aren't ya?
 
2013-04-08 01:03:44 PM  
SkinnyHead:  The 1st Amendment only prohibits Congress from establishing a religion.  It was not intended to prevent state establishments.

Did your GED not cover Article VI?
 
2013-04-08 01:04:16 PM  

SkinnyHead: voodoolady: SkinnyHead: wxboy: So one-third of Americans don't believe in the 1st amendment.  I bet most of those also vehemently defend the existence of the 2nd amendment.

It says that slightly more than a third of U.S. adults favor establishing Christianity as an official religion of their state.  The 1st Amendment only prohibits Congress from establishing a religion.  It was not intended to prevent state establishments.

What's that other one....the 14th maybe? What's that one do?

The Due Process Clause of the 14th says that no state may deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.  A state establishment of Christianity would not deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law, would it?


Yes. It makes the Bill of Rights applicable to the States.
 
2013-04-08 01:04:41 PM  

FloydA: [i105.photobucket.com image 640x325]



I'll let this guy sum it up:

http://youtu.be/8rh6qqsmxNs
 
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