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(Tech Dirt)   The French government probably should have looked up "Le Streisand Effect" before extorting deletion of a Wikipedia article for reasons of national security   (techdirt.com) divider line 28
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2013-04-08 01:21:57 PM  
Nothing has consequences.

We have no enemies.

Everything is perfect, except a few things we can pay money to make go away.

Don't stop going to work, buying things, and voting.

All is well, citizen.

If you disagree, it could get ugly...

All your friends agree. So I think you'll agree: all is well.

Goodnight, citizen.
 
2013-04-08 01:22:02 PM  
Surrender!
 
2013-04-08 01:22:19 PM  
don't worry, i've already seen the google search for 'french military victories'
 
2013-04-08 01:24:54 PM  
"L'effet Streisand"
 
2013-04-08 01:24:59 PM  
Ah, so France has Republicans, too. Who knew?
 
2013-04-08 01:26:54 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

I'll call Robert Smith of the Cure!
 
2013-04-08 01:28:05 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-04-08 01:38:30 PM  
The french really should just up and farm out their national security. Get someone on the gig with some chops.
 
2013-04-08 01:43:10 PM  
Silly French,. Once something is posted on the net forever it stays there.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-04-08 01:52:57 PM  
If I were the French gestapo I would summon the administrator back to the office and detain him indefinitely for failing to protect the page against recreation.
 
2013-04-08 01:55:16 PM  

ZAZ: If I were the French gestapo I would summon the administrator back to the office and detain him indefinitely for failing to protect the page against recreation.


Didn't exactly this happen in an Audrey Hepburn movie?
 
2013-04-08 02:01:33 PM  
FTA:  As we noted then, putting pressure on Wikipedia volunteers in this way is extremely problematic, since it naturally discourages others from helping out.

I thought Wikipedia discouraged volunteers just fine on its own.
 
2013-04-08 02:08:06 PM  
for reasons of national security

Except it's all publicly available information and none of it is a secret.

Now it's on the Internet, everybody will know.

France just needs to give up . . . oh, wait.
 
2013-04-08 02:14:05 PM  
What a worthless farking intel agency.  The article had been up for years.  Just have some of your guys go home and make incremental edits that remove or obscure the content you dislike.  Anyone can edit it after all.  After all even starting an edit war is a win, since you can pay a couple people to run your side of the edit war in this case.  Corporations clean up their pages all the time with methods like these or hire firms to do it.
 
2013-04-08 02:37:08 PM  

ha-ha-guy: What a worthless farking intel agency.  The article had been up for years.  Just have some of your guys go home and make incremental edits that remove or obscure the content you dislike.  Anyone can edit it after all.  After all even starting an edit war is a win, since you can pay a couple people to run your side of the edit war in this case.  Corporations clean up their pages all the time with methods like these or hire firms to do it.


But that's what they did.  The article was a French Military attempt at counter-intelligence.  They wanted to leak out fake facts about this radio station, hoping to entrap ne'er-do-wells trying to act on the bad intelligence.  Time passed and the ruse didn't work; the page sat in obscurity for years.  By creating this false sense of outrage and their "takedown" of the page, the entire world has now seen their work, and their counter-intelligence goal is successful.
 
2013-04-08 02:53:13 PM  
 
2013-04-08 03:06:26 PM  

Dialectic: Oooh-ohh-ohh...Barbra Streisand!


Unfortunately, this video is not available in Germany because it may contain music for which GEMA has not granted the respective music rights
 
2013-04-08 03:14:58 PM  

lohphat: "L'effet Streisand"


Take notes, anglomitter.
 
2013-04-08 03:38:18 PM  

lohphat: "L'effet Streisand"


sorry, don't speak german.
 
2013-04-08 04:41:50 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-04-08 04:59:21 PM  

lohphat: "L'effet Streisand"


Came for this, leaving satisfait.
 
2013-04-08 05:05:56 PM  
So the volunteer surrendered without a fight?  Sounds about right.
 
2013-04-08 05:40:16 PM  
If you've got enough resources to browbeat some random autist into deleting the article, you should have enough resources to keep a bunch of hippies from causing any real damage when they spray "NO WAR" on your radio installation, which seems to be the threat that the authorities are responding to.
 
2013-04-08 07:25:34 PM  
They also should have looked up airplanes after WWI instead of building up their ground defenses leading them to be easily conquered in WWII.
 
2013-04-08 08:22:54 PM  
Link to the link, plz?
 
2013-04-08 08:25:56 PM  
detritus

They also should have looked up airplanes after WWI instead of building up their ground defenses leading them to be easily conquered in WWII.

They couldn't find any airplanes that could be prevented from turning all the way around.
 
2013-04-08 08:46:14 PM  

stonicus: ha-ha-guy: What a worthless farking intel agency.  The article had been up for years.  Just have some of your guys go home and make incremental edits that remove or obscure the content you dislike.  Anyone can edit it after all.  After all even starting an edit war is a win, since you can pay a couple people to run your side of the edit war in this case.  Corporations clean up their pages all the time with methods like these or hire firms to do it.

But that's what they did.  The article was a French Military attempt at counter-intelligence.  They wanted to leak out fake facts about this radio station, hoping to entrap ne'er-do-wells trying to act on the bad intelligence.  Time passed and the ruse didn't work; the page sat in obscurity for years.  By creating this false sense of outrage and their "takedown" of the page, the entire world has now seen their work, and their counter-intelligence goal is successful.


You know, in my experience, when you've got two possible scenarios.  One of them involves somebody being super-clever and brilliantly faking being an idiot, and the other one is that they are just plain a total farking idiot, they are probably just an idiot.

What this says to me is this is a triumph of OSINT.  Open source intelligence.  Somebody on the French-language wikipedia put together from open-source materials a profile of a French military radio outpost that was so detailed that it had apparently included what the French considered classified information, even though it was assembled entirely from unclassified sources.

Dirty little secret of the Intel world: about 90% of intelligence material that is handled and analyzed is actually unclassified.  Vast bulks of unclassified open and public information is sorted through to piece together a larger picture.  You'd be utterly amazed at what you can find on the internet with just some good searching and knowing where to look, things that some governments would really, REALLY not like for you to know, but ended up online by completely legal and above-the-board means.

Bonus fun-fact: Stealth technology comes from this sort of thing.  In the 1970's, a Soviet mathematician came up with a formula for determining how a wave would bounce off a three-dimensional object.  He thought it was purely theoretical.  Soviet censors thought it was useless mathematical theory, and it was published in a scientific journal.  Some folks out in the desert who kept up with Soviet scientific journals saw this and realized that radars are a type of wave, and this could be used to create a mathematical model of something's radar reflection, and thus a way to design something with virtually no radar signature.  The root discovery that lead to stealth aircraft was just something that a government left lying around in public, until somebody else put it together and made it into a national security issue.
 
2013-04-09 01:45:44 AM  

Silverstaff: stonicus: ha-ha-guy: What a worthless farking intel agency.  The article had been up for years.  Just have some of your guys go home and make incremental edits that remove or obscure the content you dislike.  Anyone can edit it after all.  After all even starting an edit war is a win, since you can pay a couple people to run your side of the edit war in this case.  Corporations clean up their pages all the time with methods like these or hire firms to do it.

But that's what they did.  The article was a French Military attempt at counter-intelligence.  They wanted to leak out fake facts about this radio station, hoping to entrap ne'er-do-wells trying to act on the bad intelligence.  Time passed and the ruse didn't work; the page sat in obscurity for years.  By creating this false sense of outrage and their "takedown" of the page, the entire world has now seen their work, and their counter-intelligence goal is successful.

You know, in my experience, when you've got two possible scenarios.  One of them involves somebody being super-clever and brilliantly faking being an idiot, and the other one is that they are just plain a total farking idiot, they are probably just an idiot.

What this says to me is this is a triumph of OSINT.  Open source intelligence.  Somebody on the French-language wikipedia put together from open-source materials a profile of a French military radio outpost that was so detailed that it had apparently included what the French considered classified information, even though it was assembled entirely from unclassified sources.

Dirty little secret of the Intel world: about 90% of intelligence material that is handled and analyzed is actually unclassified.  Vast bulks of unclassified open and public information is sorted through to piece together a larger picture.  You'd be utterly amazed at what you can find on the internet with just some good searching and knowing where to look, things that some governments would really, REALLY not like for you t ...


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