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  2013-04-08 10:09:41 AM
Too bad we can't do jack without China and India making drastic changes as well.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
  2013-04-08 10:12:22 AM
I propose we evict California from the Union and let the state (country) develop its own climate policy.
 
  2013-04-08 10:12:56 AM
stewmadness: Too bad we can't do jack without China and India making drastic changes as well.

Start by getting them to stop trying to sell Powder Basin coal. The amount they want to export would equal the greenhouse gas emissions for one year's worth of automoble emissions of the western half of the US
 
  2013-04-08 10:14:04 AM
Sure this has negative repercussions for long-term American security and economic growth, but think of all the libs that are sucking it!
 
  2013-04-08 10:14:09 AM
RINO
 
  2013-04-08 10:14:18 AM
In the end, the state's brave firefighters, joined by contingents from out of state

Obviously the author is a commie since no one checked the birth certificates of those out of state firefighters. A real American™ would have to restart the fire if just one of those out of staters was from an exotic country where people speak Spanish.
 
  2013-04-08 10:14:31 AM
ZAZ: I propose we evict California from the Union and let the state (country) develop its own climate policy.

Considering CA is the ninth largest economy in the world, we'd gladly leave if you'd let us. At least we wouldn't have to be associated with Florida or Texas anymore.
 
  2013-04-08 10:14:38 AM
"Global warming, I'm here to pump you up!"

www.batmanwallpapers.com
 
  2013-04-08 10:15:20 AM
ZAZ: I propose we evict California from the Union and let the state (country) develop its own climate policy.

Yeah, let's kick out our largest state economy and keep Mississippi.
 
  2013-04-08 10:15:31 AM
I particularly enjoyed reading that in Ahnold's distinctively eloquent voice.
 
  2013-04-08 10:16:19 AM
It's scares the crap out of me--mostly because human beings never do anything to enact real change unless the gun is being pressed to our forehead and the finger is on the proverbial trigger.

I'm not sure what event would ever cause us to begin to look at climate change in that way, with that fear.
 
  2013-04-08 10:16:46 AM
TimonC346: ZAZ: I propose we evict California from the Union and let the state (country) develop its own climate policy.

Considering CA is the ninth largest economy in the world, we'd gladly leave if you'd let us. At least we wouldn't have to be associated with Florida or Texas anymore.


And Arizona

/they gotta take Arizona, too
 
  2013-04-08 10:17:21 AM
hinten: "Global warming, I'm here to pump you up!"

[www.batmanwallpapers.com image 800x600]


dontbetonit.files.wordpress.com

"Ice to see you!"
 
  2013-04-08 10:19:07 AM
What we need is a really, really, really good plague. One that acts fast, highly infectious, a short latency, and with high mutation rates.

Wave after wave of new contagion sweeping through for years.

Well, that's actually what Mother Nature needs. And she'll find it. She always wins.
 
  2013-04-08 10:22:27 AM
Reading the comments made my head hurt. The best (?) one was the idiot who said that "climate scientists" (his quotation marks) ought to run businesses and families before they can be considered experts on anything.

Once again, no real debate can happen when so large a number of people who demand to be included are borderline retarded.
 
  2013-04-08 10:22:42 AM
stewmadness: Too bad we can't do jack without China and India making drastic changes as well.

Nope, absolutely nothing can ever happen here unless everyone else acts first.
 
  2013-04-08 10:24:30 AM
Did anyone else read that in Arnold's voice or was it just me?

Cal-ee-forn-ee-uh
 
  2013-04-08 10:25:50 AM
The problem with the state is that you need about half the number of people living there as are residents right now.

Hold a lottery.
 
  2013-04-08 10:25:56 AM
gshepnyc: Reading the comments made my head hurt. The best (?) one was the idiot who said that "climate scientists" (his quotation marks) ought to run businesses and families before they can be considered experts on anything.

Once again, no real debate can happen when so large a number of people who demand to be included are borderline retarded.


What's infuriating is that this kind of stupidity is manufactured. There's not much we can do about the naturally occurring kind, but nobody is born believing that quotation-mark-enclosed climate scientists are just stupid libs who want to take our jorbs. Thanks a lot, Koch brothers!
 
  2013-04-08 10:26:56 AM
Apos: I particularly enjoyed reading that in Ahnold's distinctively eloquent voice.

If AHNOLD made a speech saying the exact same thing, I doubt there'd be anybody brave enough to disagree.
 
  2013-04-08 10:27:01 AM
Philip Francis Queeg: RINO

I know, right? When did Arnie become a raging Socialist, bent on destroying Americu by listening those phony eggheads with their so-called "science" and "data", pretending to be trying to save the world when all they really want to do is make us into another Greece?
 
  2013-04-08 10:27:24 AM
TimonC346: It's scares the crap out of me--mostly because human beings never do anything to enact real change unless the gun is being pressed to our forehead and the finger is on the proverbial trigger.

I'm not sure what event would ever cause us to begin to look at climate change in that way, with that fear.


The fact that such an event has not yet occurred seems to be the primary reason why some people are doing everything in their power to NOT prevent a global environmental catastrophe.

/either that, or they're deliberately doing as much damage as they can just to spite the people who say we should try to save the environment
 
  2013-04-08 10:28:29 AM
beta_plus: LOL - you warmers just won't quit.   You're worse than Truthers and Birthers.

Yeah, these Warmers will believe anything that's supported by scientific consensus, overwhelming mountains of observational data and hypotheses proven over and over again across dozens of scientific fields.

I mean, *WOOO WOOO WOOO WOOO*, amirite??
 
  2013-04-08 10:31:15 AM
TheShavingofOccam123: What we need is a really, really, really good plague. One that acts fast, highly infectious, a short latency, and with high mutation rates.

Wave after wave of new contagion sweeping through for years.

Well, that's actually what Mother Nature needs. And she'll find it. She always wins.


Sadly, this. Something broke in me yesterday while reading that article with the photos of the orangutans desperately clinging to the last tree in a grove that used to be their home that was cut down to make a useless additive for processed foods. There's a major correction coming and I can't say we don't deserve it at this point.
 
  2013-04-08 10:32:55 AM
i466.photobucket.com
 
  2013-04-08 10:33:33 AM
Imagine, Going back to local farming.

Central and Southern Maine used to be grand farmlands.
Slowly given up as industry moved production west and it was cheaper to ship foods than to grow them.

Insert super high gas prices and reduction in food supplies from other States, and traditionally agricultural lands will get converted back. People will start buying local again, maybe getting to know their neighbors a little more, and local high school kids can get their hands dirty on those summer jobs.
 
  2013-04-08 10:43:01 AM
The good news is we can do something to prevent these dire outcomes.

How does he know that symbolic measures will have any effect in preventing these "dire outcomes."
 
  2013-04-08 10:44:55 AM
Apos: I particularly enjoyed reading that in Ahnold's distinctively eloquent voice.

Kah-lee-fouah-ni-uh
 
  2013-04-08 10:47:35 AM
MrBallou: Philip Francis Queeg: RINO

I know, right? When did Arnie become a raging Socialist, bent on destroying Americu by listening those phony eggheads with their so-called "science" and "data", pretending to be trying to save the world when all they really want to do is make us into another Greece?


Well Once his dad was  one of those National Socialists in Austria so I guess it runs in the faily.
 
  2013-04-08 10:49:19 AM
gilgigamesh: beta_plus: LOL - you warmers just won't quit.   You're worse than Truthers and Birthers.

Yeah, these Warmers will believe anything that's supported by scientific consensus, overwhelming mountains of observational data and hypotheses proven over and over again across dozens of scientific fields.

I mean, *WOOO WOOO WOOO WOOO*, amirite??


C'mon gilgigamesh, you still fall for this guy? He makes tenpoundsofpotato look like an eloquent genius.

SkinnyHead: The good news is we can do something to prevent these dire outcomes.

How does he know that symbolic measures will have any effect in preventing these "dire outcomes."


Not the best of Skinnyhead, but it will serve as a suitable contrast.
 
  2013-04-08 10:53:51 AM
a wake-up call for leaders in Washington to overcome gridlock

Then we are doomed
The attitude of 'we are right, so they must be wrong' will prevail. If anything is ever done, it will be too little, too late
 
  2013-04-08 10:54:47 AM
I see the "I read it in Ah-nold's voice" was covered, which is all I had to add to the discussion.

/Ah-nold
 
  2013-04-08 10:58:32 AM
Top climate scientists huh?

I'm curious to know if they're the same ones who said we would have no snow at all by this point and that there would be hundreds of thousands of climate change refuges by 2010.

I'd also like to know if we're having more hurricanes this year because of global warming or less hurricanes this year because of global warming, since I've heard both said by "experts" but mostly only the former as we get "major weather + national news = scream global warming" and it's a bit hard to scream about hurricanes that aren't happening.
 
  2013-04-08 10:59:22 AM
DownDaRiver: a wake-up call for leaders in Washington to overcome gridlock

Then we are doomed
The attitude of 'we are right, so they must be wrong' will prevail. If anything is ever done, it will be too little, too late


For the modern GOP, NO issue has ANY meaning beyond "how can we use this against Obama". It you look at the record, their response to every single issue, no matter what it is, is always the same.
 
  2013-04-08 11:13:34 AM
How about taking wind generators out to sea to create power to heat up and vaporize ocean water creating our own rain cloud system?
 
  2013-04-08 11:13:38 AM
TheShavingofOccam123: What we need is a really, really, really good plague. One that acts fast, highly infectious, a short latency, and with high mutation rates.

Wave after wave of new contagion sweeping through for years.

Well, that's actually what Mother Nature needs. And she'll find it. She always wins.


Well, meanwhile, you've got increased MRSA rates thanks to our antibiotic overuse in agriculture and it seems like every time somebody knocks over a new tree in Africa we get another Ebola outbreak.  It'll happen.
 
  2013-04-08 11:27:03 AM
MrBallou: DownDaRiver: a wake-up call for leaders in Washington to overcome gridlock

Then we are doomed
The attitude of 'we are right, so they must be wrong' will prevail. If anything is ever done, it will be too little, too late

For the modern GOP, NO issue has ANY meaning beyond "how can we use this against Obama". It you look at the record, their response to every single issue, no matter what it is, is always the same.



There you go right there. Your veiw and attitude is exactly what I'm talking about.
Its 'dont blame us, its their fault'
 
  2013-04-08 11:34:13 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaponics

Urban Industrial agriculture. Uses less water overall than traditional argriculture for the same yield. Hook up specially designed towers to grid, add a few wind turbines and solar panels to offset the energy cost. Use waste products generated from said tower for a compost-fed generator for additional power offset.

Minimal energy costs for food generation and processing, combined with lower fuel costs due to the goods not having to travel nearly as far.

(The base technology can also be developed for long-term space habitations).
 
  2013-04-08 11:42:37 AM
randomjsa: Top climate scientists huh?

ftfa (well, the picture)

Top climate scientists has concluded that our region of the country is hotter than it has ever been and that it will get hotter -- because of humans. (David McNew / Getty Images )

Top
Climate
Scientists

Who shall remain nameless as long as asshats like you go around pointing out their predictions failed to materialize. How DARE you sir.
 
  2013-04-08 11:44:26 AM
randomjsa: I'm curious to know if they're the same ones who said we would have no snow at all by this point and that there would be hundreds of thousands of climate change refuges by 2010.

Citation for this or is this but you will probably run away after posting once.
 
  2013-04-08 11:46:18 AM
DownDaRiver: MrBallou: DownDaRiver: a wake-up call for leaders in Washington to overcome gridlock

Then we are doomed
The attitude of 'we are right, so they must be wrong' will prevail. If anything is ever done, it will be too little, too late

For the modern GOP, NO issue has ANY meaning beyond "how can we use this against Obama". It you look at the record, their response to every single issue, no matter what it is, is always the same.


There you go right there. Your veiw and attitude is exactly what I'm talking about.
Its 'dont blame us, its their fault'


I mean those idiots aren't interested in actually looking at whether there is a problem or what to do about it if there is.

Since Democrats are for it, they just know they have to be against it, automatically. Then they try to come up with "reasons" for why. Disgusting.
 
  2013-04-08 12:05:46 PM
spongeboob: randomjsa: I'm curious to know if they're the same ones who said we would have no snow at all by this point and that there would be hundreds of thousands of climate change refuges by 2010.

Citation for this or is this but you will probably run away after posting once.


http://eprints.jcu.edu.au/3130/
took me about 10 seconds.
Google
You should try it.


Scientific audit of a report from the Climate Commission
"The Critical Decade Climate science, risks and responses" May, 2011 Bob Carter, David Evans, Stewart Franks, William Kininmonth


read this too
 
  2013-04-08 12:17:46 PM
studs up: http://eprints.jcu.edu.au/3130/
took me about 10 seconds.
Google
You should try it.


10 more seconds of Googling and you'd have known that Carter isn't a climate scientist at all, and hasn't published any actual science to refute the data showing man-made global warming.
 
  2013-04-08 12:17:51 PM
Global warming is manmade. But not by you driving your car. Its from the chemtrails and geoengineering.Those contrails that last all day CAUSING the greenhouse effect? Sure tthey're just contrails. Yeah nothing to see here.
 
  2013-04-08 12:18:15 PM
MrBallou: DownDaRiver: MrBallou: DownDaRiver: a wake-up call for leaders in Washington to overcome gridlock

Then we are doomed
The attitude of 'we are right, so they must be wrong' will prevail. If anything is ever done, it will be too little, too late

For the modern GOP, NO issue has ANY meaning beyond "how can we use this against Obama". It you look at the record, their response to every single issue, no matter what it is, is always the same.


There you go right there. Your veiw and attitude is exactly what I'm talking about.
Its 'dont blame us, its their fault'

I mean those idiots aren't interested in actually looking at whether there is a problem or what to do about it if there is.

Since Democrats are for it, they just know they have to be against it, automatically. Then they try to come up with "reasons" for why. Disgusting.


Are you trolling me what that?
 
  2013-04-08 12:42:03 PM
SkinnyHead: The good news is we can do something to prevent these dire outcomes.

How does he know that symbolic measures will have any effect in preventing these "dire outcomes."


If you guys thing the problem is a myth, you don't get to chime in on the solution.
 
  2013-04-08 12:42:56 PM
studs up: spongeboob: randomjsa: I'm curious to know if they're the same ones who said we would have no snow at all by this point and that there would be hundreds of thousands of climate change refuges by 2010.

Citation for this or is this but you will probably run away after posting once.

http://eprints.jcu.edu.au/3130/
took me about 10 seconds.
Google
You should try it.


Scientific audit of a report from the Climate Commission
"The Critical Decade ‐ Climate science, risks and responses" May, 2011 Bob Carter, David Evans, Stewart Franks, William Kininmonth

read this too


Citations, how do they work?
You linked articles by paid climate change denying shills, not articles showing people that believe in climate change actually saying what randomjsa claims they say.
 
  2013-04-08 12:47:20 PM
randomjsa: Top climate scientists huh?

I'm curious to know if they're the same ones who said we would have no snow at all by this point and that there would be hundreds of thousands of climate change refuges by 2010.

I'd also like to know if we're having more hurricanes this year because of global warming or less hurricanes this year because of global warming, since I've heard both said by "experts" but mostly only the former as we get "major weather + national news = scream global warming" and it's a bit hard to scream about hurricanes that aren't happening.


I'd like to see your citation for that because those numbers are very low.  36 million people were displaced by natural disasters in 2009 alone.  Bangledesh alone has over 500,000 homeless people today due to rising sea water.
 
  2013-04-08 01:17:20 PM
Kevin72: Global warming is manmade. But not by you driving your car. Its from the chemtrails and geoengineering.Those contrails that last all day CAUSING the greenhouse effect? Sure tthey're just contrails. Yeah nothing to see here.

Don't forget about the lizard people.
 
  2013-04-08 01:29:53 PM
BHShaman: Imagine, Going back to local farming.

Central and Southern Maine used to be grand farmlands.
Slowly given up as industry moved production west and it was cheaper to ship foods than to grow them.

Insert super high gas prices and reduction in food supplies from other States, and traditionally agricultural lands will get converted back. People will start buying local again, maybe getting to know their neighbors a little more, and local high school kids can get their hands dirty on those summer jobs.


What will happen is America will export less food that it does.  Economies of scale still work even when transportation costs go up, but who knows, local grist mills might even pop up so that grain grown in your state doesn't get transported 500 miles to a central milling location to be ground and then packaged and shipped back.

We won't see a dramatic increase in hunger here.  Other parts of the world are farked, but America isn't going to start going hungry because of climate change.

We might get less variety in our fruits and veggies.  On the other hand, if it gets warm enough, maybe we'll see banana plantations in Southern Louisiana and Florida.

But honestly, I think the most likely outcome is we export less, shift our farm subsides to cover what we need, as well as an increased reliance on old school soil conservation and water retention techniques, and even GMOs designed to deal with the changing climate.
 
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