Too bad we can't do jack without China and India making drastic changes as well.

stewmadness: Too bad we can't do jack without China and India making drastic changes as well.

Start by getting them to stop trying to sell Powder Basin coal. The amount they want to export would equal the greenhouse gas emissions for one year's worth of automoble emissions of the western half of the US

Sure this has negative repercussions for long-term American security and economic growth, but think of all the libs that are sucking it!

RINO

In the end, the state's brave firefighters, joined by contingents from out of state

Obviously the author is a commie since no one checked the birth certificates of those out of state firefighters. A real American™ would have to restart the fire if just one of those out of staters was from an exotic country where people speak Spanish.

ZAZ: I propose we evict California from the Union and let the state (country) develop its own climate policy.

Yeah, let's kick out our largest state economy and keep Mississippi.

hinten: "Global warming, I'm here to pump you up!"

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"Ice to see you!"

What we need is a really, really, really good plague. One that acts fast, highly infectious, a short latency, and with high mutation rates.

Wave after wave of new contagion sweeping through for years.

Well, that's actually what Mother Nature needs. And she'll find it. She always wins.

Reading the comments made my head hurt. The best (?) one was the idiot who said that "climate scientists" (his quotation marks) ought to run businesses and families before they can be considered experts on anything.

Once again, no real debate can happen when so large a number of people who demand to be included are borderline retarded.

The problem with the state is that you need about half the number of people living there as are residents right now.

Hold a lottery.

gshepnyc: Reading the comments made my head hurt. The best (?) one was the idiot who said that "climate scientists" (his quotation marks) ought to run businesses and families before they can be considered experts on anything.

Once again, no real debate can happen when so large a number of people who demand to be included are borderline retarded.

What's infuriating is that this kind of stupidity is manufactured. There's not much we can do about the naturally occurring kind, but nobody is born believing that quotation-mark-enclosed climate scientists are just stupid libs who want to take our jorbs. Thanks a lot, Koch brothers!

Apos: I particularly enjoyed reading that in Ahnold's distinctively eloquent voice.

If AHNOLD made a speech saying the exact same thing, I doubt there'd be anybody brave enough to disagree.

TheShavingofOccam123: What we need is a really, really, really good plague. One that acts fast, highly infectious, a short latency, and with high mutation rates.

Wave after wave of new contagion sweeping through for years.

Well, that's actually what Mother Nature needs. And she'll find it. She always wins.

Sadly, this. Something broke in me yesterday while reading that article with the photos of the orangutans desperately clinging to the last tree in a grove that used to be their home that was cut down to make a useless additive for processed foods. There's a major correction coming and I can't say we don't deserve it at this point.

Imagine, Going back to local farming.

Central and Southern Maine used to be grand farmlands.
Slowly given up as industry moved production west and it was cheaper to ship foods than to grow them.

Insert super high gas prices and reduction in food supplies from other States, and traditionally agricultural lands will get converted back. People will start buying local again, maybe getting to know their neighbors a little more, and local high school kids can get their hands dirty on those summer jobs.

Apos: I particularly enjoyed reading that in Ahnold's distinctively eloquent voice.

Kah-lee-fouah-ni-uh

gilgigamesh: beta_plus: LOL - you warmers just won't quit.   You're worse than Truthers and Birthers.

Yeah, these Warmers will believe anything that's supported by scientific consensus, overwhelming mountains of observational data and hypotheses proven over and over again across dozens of scientific fields.

I mean, *WOOO WOOO WOOO WOOO*, amirite??

C'mon gilgigamesh, you still fall for this guy? He makes tenpoundsofpotato look like an eloquent genius.

SkinnyHead: The good news is we can do something to prevent these dire outcomes.

How does he know that symbolic measures will have any effect in preventing these "dire outcomes."

Not the best of Skinnyhead, but it will serve as a suitable contrast.

I see the "I read it in Ah-nold's voice" was covered, which is all I had to add to the discussion.

/Ah-nold

Top climate scientists huh?

I'm curious to know if they're the same ones who said we would have no snow at all by this point and that there would be hundreds of thousands of climate change refuges by 2010.

I'd also like to know if we're having more hurricanes this year because of global warming or less hurricanes this year because of global warming, since I've heard both said by "experts" but mostly only the former as we get "major weather + national news = scream global warming" and it's a bit hard to scream about hurricanes that aren't happening.

How about taking wind generators out to sea to create power to heat up and vaporize ocean water creating our own rain cloud system?

TheShavingofOccam123: What we need is a really, really, really good plague. One that acts fast, highly infectious, a short latency, and with high mutation rates.

Wave after wave of new contagion sweeping through for years.

Well, that's actually what Mother Nature needs. And she'll find it. She always wins.

Well, meanwhile, you've got increased MRSA rates thanks to our antibiotic overuse in agriculture and it seems like every time somebody knocks over a new tree in Africa we get another Ebola outbreak.  It'll happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquaponics

Urban Industrial agriculture. Uses less water overall than traditional argriculture for the same yield. Hook up specially designed towers to grid, add a few wind turbines and solar panels to offset the energy cost. Use waste products generated from said tower for a compost-fed generator for additional power offset.

Minimal energy costs for food generation and processing, combined with lower fuel costs due to the goods not having to travel nearly as far.

(The base technology can also be developed for long-term space habitations).

randomjsa: Top climate scientists huh?

ftfa (well, the picture)
Top climate scientists has concluded that our region of the country is hotter than it has ever been and that it will get hotter -- because of humans. (David McNew / Getty Images )

Top
Climate
Scientists

Who shall remain nameless as long as asshats like you go around pointing out their predictions failed to materialize. How DARE you sir.

spongeboob: randomjsa: I'm curious to know if they're the same ones who said we would have no snow at all by this point and that there would be hundreds of thousands of climate change refuges by 2010.

Citation for this or is this but you will probably run away after posting once.

http://eprints.jcu.edu.au/3130/
took me about 10 seconds.
Google
You should try it.


Scientific audit of a report from the Climate Commission
"The Critical Decade ‐ Climate science, risks and responses" May, 2011 Bob Carter, David Evans, Stewart Franks, William Kininmonth

read this too

studs up: http://eprints.jcu.edu.au/3130/
took me about 10 seconds.
Google
You should try it.

10 more seconds of Googling and you'd have known that Carter isn't a climate scientist at all, and hasn't published any actual science to refute the data showing man-made global warming.

Global warming is manmade. But not by you driving your car. Its from the chemtrails and geoengineering.Those contrails that last all day CAUSING the greenhouse effect? Sure tthey're just contrails. Yeah nothing to see here.

Kevin72: Global warming is manmade. But not by you driving your car. Its from the chemtrails and geoengineering.Those contrails that last all day CAUSING the greenhouse effect? Sure tthey're just contrails. Yeah nothing to see here.

Don't forget about the lizard people.

BHShaman: Imagine, Going back to local farming.

Central and Southern Maine used to be grand farmlands.
Slowly given up as industry moved production west and it was cheaper to ship foods than to grow them.

Insert super high gas prices and reduction in food supplies from other States, and traditionally agricultural lands will get converted back. People will start buying local again, maybe getting to know their neighbors a little more, and local high school kids can get their hands dirty on those summer jobs.

What will happen is America will export less food that it does.  Economies of scale still work even when transportation costs go up, but who knows, local grist mills might even pop up so that grain grown in your state doesn't get transported 500 miles to a central milling location to be ground and then packaged and shipped back.

We won't see a dramatic increase in hunger here.  Other parts of the world are farked, but America isn't going to start going hungry because of climate change.

We might get less variety in our fruits and veggies.  On the other hand, if it gets warm enough, maybe we'll see banana plantations in Southern Louisiana and Florida.

But honestly, I think the most likely outcome is we export less, shift our farm subsides to cover what we need, as well as an increased reliance on old school soil conservation and water retention techniques, and even GMOs designed to deal with the changing climate.