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2013-04-08 10:22:10 AM  
It's not a bad idea, actually.  Though I'm not sure how big of an issue it really would be in New England.
 
2013-04-08 10:25:22 AM  
Lets see 15,000,000 illegal immigrants x 26$ per license = a metric assload of money

BY GEORGE, I think I have it figured out
 
2013-04-08 10:28:10 AM  
I assumed it was a law that would make it illegal to be gay while driving. Second guess was that it would make it illegal to be female while driving. Glad to see I was wrong.
 
2013-04-08 10:31:44 AM  
Having a license doesn't necessarily make you a safer driver

/just sayin...
 
2013-04-08 10:33:34 AM  
The bill also calls for the issuance of an ID card with a distinctive design that would set it apart from a regular driver's license.

LOL
License please? Oh, I see you are illegal, step out of the car please, you are under arrest.
 
2013-04-08 10:35:42 AM  
Better get ready to pay some overtime at the DMV, because once this thing gets passed there's going to be lines out the door of people who didn't care to get a license to live in the country, but are oh-so-concerned about getting a license to drive on our roads.
 
2013-04-08 10:38:58 AM  

namatad: The bill also calls for the issuance of an ID card with a distinctive design that would set it apart from a regular driver's license.

LOL
License please? Oh, I see you are illegal, step out of the car please, you are under arrest.


Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone who's already driving without a license would flock to this program, where they would get registered and have to pay for insurance.
 
2013-04-08 10:40:14 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Having a license doesn't necessarily make you a safer driver

/just sayin...


True, but it might mean fewer hit-and-runs, and fewer people driving without insurance.
 
2013-04-08 10:43:20 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Having a license doesn't necessarily make you a safer driver

/just sayin...

True, but it might mean fewer hit-and-runs, and fewer people driving without insurance.


And that seems to be what it's all about. We have illegal immigrants living here. We don't seem to want them to leave (economic consequences for sure). Do we want them all driving around illegally or do we want them to be properly registered and insured like every other car on the road is required by law to be? Seems like a no brainer to me.
 
2013-04-08 10:52:31 AM  

serial_crusher: Better get ready to pay some overtime at the DMV, because once this thing gets passed there's going to be lines out the door of people who didn't care to get a license to live in the country, but are oh-so-concerned about getting a license to drive on our roads.


If you're being sarcastic, I disagree. I think there are a lot of illegals who would like to have a license, as that being unlicensed is just one more thing that can get them thrown into jail and deported whenever they drive to the store to get a quart of milk. Sure, there will be some that won't trust the system and will continue to drive without a license (which, by extension, means without insurance), but there will be plenty more that see an upside in getting licensed (and, more importantly, getting insured).
 
2013-04-08 10:56:47 AM  
Illegal aliens have the ultimate insurance policy. If they hit somebody with their car, they just leave the country and they are off the hook.
 
2013-04-08 10:57:46 AM  
I see no reason why they shouldn't be jerked around by the surly Vogons at the DMV and farked to the eyeballs by auto-insurance companies, same as every other citizen.
 
2013-04-08 11:02:17 AM  
so having people study for and pass a driving test is safer than having a bunch of unlicensed drivers out there? whoa!
 
2013-04-08 11:03:49 AM  
Is that the act I've been lobbying for where I can biatchslap people for paying more attention to their phone than the road?
 
2013-04-08 11:04:27 AM  

GiantRex: I assumed it was a law that would make it illegal to be gay while driving. Second guess was that it would make it illegal to be female while driving. Glad to see I was wrong.


I thought it was something related to abortion like making it illegal to transport pregnant woman to an abortion clinic.  Something reasonable like that.
 
2013-04-08 11:05:16 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Illegal aliens have the ultimate insurance policy. If they hit somebody with their car, they just leave the country and they are off the hook.


Can't anyone do that?
 
2013-04-08 11:06:38 AM  

Uzzah: serial_crusher: Better get ready to pay some overtime at the DMV, because once this thing gets passed there's going to be lines out the door of people who didn't care to get a license to live in the country, but are oh-so-concerned about getting a license to drive on our roads.

If you're being sarcastic, I disagree. I think there are a lot of illegals who would like to have a license, as that being unlicensed is just one more thing that can get them thrown into jail and deported whenever they drive to the store to get a quart of milk. Sure, there will be some that won't trust the system and will continue to drive without a license (which, by extension, means without insurance), but there will be plenty more that see an upside in getting licensed (and, more importantly, getting insured).


Well, maybe if they strike the part about putting a special design on it that indicates that the licensee is illegal, for the reasons namatad points out.

/ For the record I'm ok with the idea of licensing people; just don't think it'll change reality that much.  Basic idea is sound, that the driver's license should be a license to drive, not an all purpose existence license.
// What kind of reciprocity do we have with other countries?  Can somebody theoretically drive around in their friend's registered/insured car, but with a valid Mexican driver's license?
 
2013-04-08 11:28:49 AM  

nekom: It's not a bad idea, actually.  Though I'm not sure how big of an issue it really would be in New England.


There are no safe drivers in New England, only (M)assholes. It drives me nuts
 
2013-04-08 11:31:55 AM  

mrshowrules: Because People in power are Stupid: Illegal aliens have the ultimate insurance policy. If they hit somebody with their car, they just leave the country and they are off the hook.

Can't anyone do that?


No. Unless you are living under an assumed name/stolen identity.
 
2013-04-08 11:32:36 AM  

GiantRex: I assumed it was a law that would make it illegal to be gay while driving. Second guess was that it would make it illegal to be female while driving. Glad to see I was wrong.



I figured it had something to do with condoms.
 
2013-04-08 11:35:10 AM  

serial_crusher: // What kind of reciprocity do we have with other countries? Can somebody theoretically drive around in their friend's registered/insured car, but with a valid Mexican driver's license?


IIRC, the US, Canada, and Mexico all honor each other's license and registration, so as long as you're valid in your home base, you're valid anywhere in the Big Three on the continent. The US and Canada also honor each other's insurance, but Mexico doesn't and requires foreign motorists to purchase Mexican auto insurance. Border towns frequently have short-term Mexican policies for sale (1-day, 7-day, etc.).
 
2013-04-08 11:41:44 AM  
If the insurance industry wasn't poised to pocket serious coin with this deal, rest assured their lobbyists would have made sure this never saw the light of day.

/follow the money
 
2013-04-08 11:44:05 AM  
Can't wait to hear Howie Carr's take on this.
 
2013-04-08 11:47:02 AM  

Aar1012: nekom: It's not a bad idea, actually.  Though I'm not sure how big of an issue it really would be in New England.

There are no safe drivers in New England, only (M)assholes. It drives me nuts


This is true, I used to have relatives just outside of Boston. To be fair though, I still think Connecticut has the worst of the worst.

/not a whole lot better here in PA
 
2013-04-08 11:54:38 AM  
If you think giving illegal immigrants drivers licenses will stop them from fleeing the scene of an accident, you've never traveled to Mexico or lots of other countries where that is SOP.

Enjoy projecting more than I do. Seriously, enjoy. Just rest safe in the knowledge that others are paying for your altruism.
 
2013-04-08 11:57:00 AM  
[ironic]
 
2013-04-08 11:57:19 AM  
*sigh*

Can't they just come here legally?
 
2013-04-08 11:57:27 AM  
So Romney can drive a car now??
 
2013-04-08 11:57:34 AM  
Something about roadblocks near abortion clinics?
 
2013-04-08 11:58:52 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Having a license doesn't necessarily make you a safer driver

/just sayin...


...which should not be the reason for a license anyway.  All a license really should mean is "This person has passed the basic physical and mental tests required to drive a motor vehicle in this state."  A license doesn't mean you're related to an Andretti, it just means you can drive a car without making a disaster of it...most of the time.

/Which should be the implementation for firearms license.
//And I leave the "BUT BUT 2ND AMENDMENT!" crowd in my wake.
 
2013-04-08 11:59:05 AM  

GiantRex: I assumed it was a law that would make it illegal to be gay while driving. Second guess was that it would make it illegal to be female while driving. Glad to see I was wrong.


I thought it was going to be red light cameras.
 
2013-04-08 11:59:43 AM  

nekom: It's not a bad idea, actually.  Though I'm not sure how big of an issue it really would be in New England.


You might be surprised.  Former New York Governor Spitzer tried this in New York (before his hooker "scandal" came to light), and there was enought opposition to force him to drop it.  I actually thought the idea was good because what's to stop someone from driving without a license?
 
2013-04-08 12:00:06 PM  
I don't understand why so many Farkers here seem to think that people who are here illegally, who didn't bother registering for a green card, or to get a work visa would all somehow be lining up for a defacto illegal alien registry, much less pay for expensive insurance.
Human nature. How does it work?

I would hope to see more specifics on "minimal identity documentation". And considering that you don't need a Social Security card to get a driver's license in most states anyway (don't know about Mass, but I suspect not), this seems like an expensive tax dollar wasting solution in search of a hypothetical problem.
 
2013-04-08 12:00:39 PM  

nekom: Aar1012: nekom: It's not a bad idea, actually.  Though I'm not sure how big of an issue it really would be in New England.

There are no safe drivers in New England, only (M)assholes. It drives me nuts

This is true, I used to have relatives just outside of Boston. To be fair though, I still think Connecticut has the worst of the worst.

/not a whole lot better here in PA


If you think Connecticutt has the worst drivers, you've never tried the DC metro area. We have a veritible sample platter of terrible driving styles from across the nation!

From Arkansas' "the right shoulder is a right turn lane" to New York's "The lane is ending, so I'm going to use it until the very end and then angrily cut in front of all the responsible people who merged 20 minutes ago." We've got it all.
 
2013-04-08 12:02:43 PM  

namatad: The bill also calls for the issuance of an ID card with a distinctive design that would set it apart from a regular driver's license.

LOL
License please? Oh, I see you are illegal, step out of the car please, you are under arrest.


If you don't have a license  on you cops are required to do a check to make sure you have one, and if you don't they are required to arrest you.  This would give the cops a way to allowing you to carry on without forcing them to arrest you, though yes they may be able to.
 
2013-04-08 12:03:18 PM  
Here's a link related to my above post:  http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/14/ny.licenses/
 
2013-04-08 12:03:22 PM  

Aar1012: nekom: It's not a bad idea, actually.  Though I'm not sure how big of an issue it really would be in New England.

There are no safe drivers in New England, only (M)assholes. It drives me nuts


That would be safer than what we really have: half (M)assholes bent on oblivion, and half timid, intoxicated, elderly, and/or texting drivers randomly lurching through 7-way intersections and suddenly changing lanes.
 
2013-04-08 12:03:56 PM  

Uzzah: serial_crusher: Better get ready to pay some overtime at the DMV, because once this thing gets passed there's going to be lines out the door of people who didn't care to get a license to live in the country, but are oh-so-concerned about getting a license to drive on our roads.

If you're being sarcastic, I disagree. I think there are a lot of illegals who would like to have a license, as that being unlicensed is just one more thing that can get them thrown into jail and deported whenever they drive to the store to get a quart of milk. Sure, there will be some that won't trust the system and will continue to drive without a license (which, by extension, means without insurance), but there will be plenty more that see an upside in getting licensed (and, more importantly, getting insured).


*Especially* if you're waiting on your application for citizenship (for those who were brought here as kids and going through the process right now).  If you get pulled over for 5 over and you're waiting to hear if you got approved for citizenship, probably way better to show that you tried to be above board as possible, no?
 
2013-04-08 12:04:25 PM  
Well, illegal immigrants being singled-out by their driving permit aren't going to be deported.. That's Pre-9-11 talk.  This is the post 9-11 U.S.A. with stepped-up homeland security, where citizens aren't trusted to do anything, and illegal immigrants represent what is hopefully the last stretch of the Politically Correct America, where it's morally wrong, and apparently a crime to be part of the majority.  These days we offer free medical care, free schooling, etc.. to anyone that you can drag, drive, push, or pull onto the lot, as long as they aren't American..  Common sense tells illegals to hide, but our government is not strong on the whole common sense thing.  The government apparently believe in trusting outsiders, while simultaneously stepping up terrorism defense by restricting the rights of those who are literally, paying members.

Illegals don't get to vote (yet) but I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't on the table.
 
2013-04-08 12:06:10 PM  
So we want them in the country to work cheap, but we'll still make it as hard as possible on THEM and not those that employ them?  Great.

It seems like a revenue-positive program, and it can only have zero-to-positive effect on the insured-motorist rate, so why be against it?  People border-jump to work, not live lives of crime.  If they can blend in and not jeopardize their ability to work and support their kids by making every traffic stop not equal a trip to jail, they'd be more likely to do the right thing.  Now they can't.
 
2013-04-08 12:06:15 PM  
I guess those newly licensed Mass aliens would need to buy that cheap Mass insurance.

I'd hazard a guess that it's about 4 times higher in Boston than Austin.

But at least there would still be the need for two interpreters: one to understand what the non-citizen was saying and another to translate the cop's questions into recognizable English so the other interpreter could then translate.
 
2013-04-08 12:06:17 PM  
I'd rather they have licenses than drive around without one, but then again I'm somebody who thinks drivers licenses should only be denied/suspended for demonstrated poor driving, not all of the other things that can get one revoked (underage possession of beer, even without a vehicle, unpaid fines or fees, child support in arrears, etc).
The only problem I have with states issuing them is that the feds keep trying to ram REAL ID through, and from what I understand, if your state issues licenses to illegals, if REAL ID ever goes into full effect your DL won't get you through security...that makes it a pain in the ass for everyone that doesn't have a passport already.

I could go on about how REAL ID will do nothing anyway (the 9/11 terrorists all had passports and visas, after all) but that's for another thread.

TL;DR: Licenses for all, if you can pass the test and don't drive like an asshole.
 
2013-04-08 12:07:13 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: And considering that you don't need a Social Security card to get a driver's license in most states anyway (don't know about Mass, but I suspect not), this seems like an expensive tax dollar wasting solution in search of a hypothetical problem.


um, what?

I thought In A Post 9/11 World most states DID require it.  I had to give the same documents to get my license in MI as I did for my I-9.
 
2013-04-08 12:07:47 PM  

Rhino_man: From Arkansas' "the right shoulder is a right turn lane"


The right shoulder is a right turn lane.  If you're turning right, move the fark out of the lane of traffic and turn.
 
2013-04-08 12:15:16 PM  
I assumed it was red light cameras at every intersection and widespread deployment of robotic speed traps.

I guess they're saving that for the next legislative session.
 
2013-04-08 12:16:49 PM  
In our lifetime Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas will be called North Mexico. California will be called West Mexico. Wisconsin will form the head. Florida will be Voltron's penis and Oklahoma can be the poop hole.

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2013-04-08 12:16:52 PM  
They can be illegal and still get a license.
And yet, somehow, I have to have everything legal, including smog check and current registration, to drive legally.
 
2013-04-08 12:17:19 PM  

FlashHarry: so having people study for and pass a driving test is safer than having a bunch of unlicensed drivers out there? whoa!


It's also safer handing out unlimited free crack and cocaine to junkies, rather than have them mug, assault, burglarize and prostitute themselves to satisfy their addiction.
 
2013-04-08 12:17:22 PM  
Yeah, I don't see this having much of an effect.  If I were a person living here illegally, there would be no way I would to be stupid enough to walk into a DMV and request a card that requires me to state that I'm here illegally.  I'd be too afraid that they'd ask me to "step inside this room over here" to process the form.  Or that the address I gave them would be raided in 3...2...1...
 
2013-04-08 12:18:00 PM  
Yeahhhh; the majority of illegals aren't going to play along. They'd actually have to pass driving tests and get insurance.
 
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