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2013-04-08 08:34:42 AM
24 votes:
A reminder to those naive enough to defend her:

She deliberately provoked a war under false pretenses that cost thousands of lives. (Little known fact: Britain has now lost as many Falklands veterans to suicide as it lost in the fighting itself).

She deliberately drove Britain into recession to destroy the unions and to "prove" her absurd Reaganist economic policies.

She sold off national assets and used the money not for the benefit of the country but to line the pockets of political supporters.

She practiced the politics of authoritarianism, populism, xenophobia, nationalism, and class division.

And as the most powerful woman in politics, she kicked away the ladder for those below her, having fewer women in her cabinets than any prime minister in modern history.

Oh, and long before she became prime minister, her defining act in government was to take away the glass of free milk that was provided to every primary school child in order to ensure that even the poorest child of the least competent parents was getting a nutritional breakfast (something that science shows is profoundly correlated with good performance and behavior in schools). At the time we derided her as "Thatcher the Snatcher". How little we realized that we had been given a warning glimpse into her true heart.
2013-04-08 08:16:23 AM
13 votes:

Marine1: Like her or not, she helped precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union, which was far more evil than any of her policies.


No, she didn't. Neither did Reagan.

And with Putin and the like still in charge, it's kind of hard to make the case the the Soviet Union really "fell" very hard.
2013-04-08 08:08:37 AM
12 votes:
A huge force in history, whether you liked or hated her politics.  May she rest in peace.
2013-04-08 08:27:31 AM
11 votes:

Eskurido: This snippet from the CBC article about her death says all you really need to know about her:

"Once in office Thatcher slashed the tax rates for the wealthiest Britons, increased the value-added tax (VAT), reduced government subsidies and began to sell off state-owned enterprises and public housing."

Bye-bye, you short sighted conservative twit.


And those tax breaks were funded by selling off nationalised utilities - gas, rail, etc...

Which now take more in subsidies (well, rail anyway) than they would have the state cost to run, yet pay out ever increasing dividends with ever increasing prices. It really would have been cheaper and simpler, never mind more honest, to just tax everyone an additional amount, divvy it up among those rich enough to buy shares in the scheme, and let the state carry on running these things.

But it/s not class war when the rich plunder the poor, is it?
2013-04-08 08:23:56 AM
11 votes:
This snippet from the CBC article about her death says all you really need to know about her:

"Once in office Thatcher slashed the tax rates for the wealthiest Britons, increased the value-added tax (VAT), reduced government subsidies and began to sell off state-owned enterprises and public housing."

Bye-bye, you short sighted conservative twit.
2013-04-08 08:33:52 AM
9 votes:
Yeah, thanks for destroying the social fabric of this country, selling off the vast state assets owned by the taxpayer to your big-business donors, destroying manufacturing industry and cosseting the banking mafia, sending London pigs to club striking miners in my town, encouraging greed and selfishness. Saved by a convenient war.
2013-04-08 08:12:47 AM
9 votes:
We're on our second bottle of champagne in this household.
Good riddance & a heartfelt fark you for what you did to our country.
2013-04-08 08:17:38 AM
8 votes:
Time to tramp the dirt down.
2013-04-08 08:12:09 AM
8 votes:
I am reminded of Frankie Boyle:

"Her state funeral is going to cost nine million pounds. For that much money, you could buy a shovel and give it to every single Scottish person and we'd dig a hole deep enough that you could deliver her to Satan personally."
2013-04-08 08:11:55 AM
8 votes:
May her ideas die with her.
2013-04-08 08:09:44 AM
8 votes:

neversubmit: I'm no expert but...: I imagine there will be more than a few celebrations tonight.

Because she has moved on to a better place?


No, the world did.
2013-04-08 08:14:15 AM
7 votes:
Like her or not, she helped precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union, which was far more evil than any of her policies. Rest in peace.
2013-04-08 09:10:30 AM
6 votes:
You want to see what would have happened to the American car industry if the Republicans got their way during the Recession? Thatcher's Britain. Under her management of the country, all the car companies either went out of business or were sold to foreign interests.

BMW of Germany owns Rolls-Royce and Mini. Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation owns MG. Tata Motors of India owns Jaguar and Land Rover. Volkswagen of Germany owns Bentley. Rights to many currently dormant brands, including Austin, Riley, Rover and Triumph, are also owned by foreign companies.

Anything not screwed down, she made sure was sold off. She ran on a platform of the Labour Party "not working" because unemployment was at half a million, and then her policies sent it to over two million. Reaganomics was ran at a faster pace than in the USA, and the ruination happened quicker.

The icing on the cake was Black Wednesday. The Conservatives (and their press, spearheaded by Rupert Murdoch and The Sun newspaper) bet that their policies would help the currency. One currency speculator bet against their policies. That speculator made a billion dollars in one day betting against Thatcher / Reaganomics. His name? George Soros. And now you know why Murdoch hates him with a seething passion... Soros was able, in an eight-hour stretch, to take every right-wing talking point (and they're still in use today) and call the bluff. And win. Conservatives are sore losers and bad with money.
2013-04-08 09:01:19 AM
6 votes:
Anyone who has not lived in Britain, especially under her rule, has no absolutely moral or intellectual right to say how wonderful she was.  That "woman" took a golden opportunity to heal a nation, and spent 11 years finding new and exciting ways to divide it as deeply and as often as she could.  The only reasons she stayed in power was by regularly promoting fear within her party in Parliament through Cabinet sackings and reshuffles, very weak and fluctuating opposition parties and leaders, and conveniently manufacturing a war through informed inertia when her poll numbers were at the lowest point, and later surfing off the back of that "victory" by calling an election a year early.

The general glee in the British public today is not liberals versus conservatives - it's painful memories finally being buried with their selfish, blinkered, misguided bully of an author and executor.  I do not believe in a deity, Heaven or Hell, but I, for one, am truly glad this chapter is over.  Bury her quickly, bury her somewhere anonymous to all except family, and bury her deep and face down in case she tries to dig her way back out.
2013-04-08 08:10:31 AM
6 votes:
 "I owe nothing to women's lib."

 "The feminists hate me, don't they? And I don't blame them. For I hate feminism. It is poison."

What a shiat she was.
2013-04-08 09:17:23 AM
5 votes:
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2013-04-08 09:09:07 AM
5 votes:

Flint Ironstag: Margaret Thatcher was the best PM we've had since Churchill.

Britain was already written off by everyone and in terminal decline when she came to power. She was like the doctor who cuts off your leg because you have gangrene. Sensible people would thank them for saving their life. Stupid people blame them for losing their leg.


And smart doctors offer you a new prosthetic leg and get you back to work and a full life, not kick your injured arse out the hospital bed and tell you to get over it.
2013-04-08 08:59:29 AM
5 votes:
Even if you applauded her policies, even if you think that the miners' strike had to be broken by any means, even if you think privatisation is the only appropriate response to the use of state assets, there's still this:

news.bbc.co.uk

Margaret Thatcher with Augusto Pinochet, in 1999. Google 'DINA' if you don't know anything about Pinochet's time in government and/or you want to spend the day feeling nauseated.
2013-04-08 08:35:23 AM
5 votes:
Did she die at the Fletcher Memorial Home?  Seems she didn't make the Final Cut.
2013-04-08 08:34:36 AM
5 votes:
As a libby lib leftists, albeit here in the states, I am always saddened when people who seem to agree with me, politically, rightfully point out the disgusting nature of personal attacks on people we support who then gleefully turn around and do the very same thing to those we do not support. Dancing on her grave is farking disgusting.
2013-04-08 08:30:10 AM
5 votes:
Marine1:

Yeah. Because people like Thatcher and Reagan gave them good reason not to.

Ahhh the testosterone-filled fantasies of a conservative.

You do realize that the same exact thing could be said about the USSR right? Because of their leaders, Reagan and Thatcher were too afraid to launch their nukes.
2013-04-08 08:23:19 AM
5 votes:
At least Reagan now has some company in hell.
2013-04-08 08:22:45 AM
5 votes:
Thatcher refused to meet the union's demands and compared the miners' dispute to the Falklands conflict two years earlier, declaring in a speech in 1984: "We had to fight the enemy without in the Falklands. We always have to be aware of the enemy within, which is much more difficult to fight and more dangerous to liberty."

What an indescribable shiat she was.
2013-04-08 08:22:09 AM
5 votes:
R.I.P.  Mrs. Thatcher.  You may not have saved your country, but you put off it's decline by a decade or more.
2013-04-08 08:21:07 AM
5 votes:
Show the dead no respect they did not deserve in life. I will speak ill of the dead, and more of her than of most.
2013-04-08 08:10:41 AM
5 votes:
The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money.

That's not the case with militarism, though.
2013-04-08 08:10:05 AM
5 votes:
At least her spiritual successor is still here to guide us.

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2013-04-08 08:09:29 AM
5 votes:
Good night, you evil old witch.
2013-04-08 08:08:18 AM
5 votes:
I imagine there will be more than a few celebrations tonight.
2013-04-08 09:31:37 AM
4 votes:

czetie: She deliberately provoked a war under false pretenses that cost thousands of lives. (Little known fact: Britain has now lost as many Falklands veterans to suicide as it lost in the fighting itself).


I dont know about that other stuff, but everything Ive read about the Falklands war pretty much puts the blame on the Argentinian government trying to wag the dog by retaking something that was never really theirs to begin with (saying you own something in you constitution doesnt necessarily make it so).  I guess Thatcher could have given up the Falklands.  Is that what you are saying should have happened?  The people living in the Falklands would probably disagree.
2013-04-08 09:18:50 AM
4 votes:

VonEvilstein: Marine1: Like her or not, she helped precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union, which was far more evil than any of her policies. Rest in peace.

I don't recall the USSR being particularly evil towards the British populace, you know, the people that old harridan was meant to be representing...


All she did was destroy the whole of British industry in the space of a decade and cripple the economy, military, and British power around the world, so she did a much better job at hurting the UK than the USSR ever did.
2013-04-08 09:15:35 AM
4 votes:
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2013-04-08 09:06:15 AM
4 votes:
Margaret Thatcher was the best PM we've had since Churchill.

Britain was already written off by everyone and in terminal decline when she came to power. She was like the doctor who cuts off your leg because you have gangrene. Sensible people would thank them for saving their life. Stupid people blame them for losing their leg.
2013-04-08 09:03:52 AM
4 votes:
Yes, the "dancing on their grave" attitude is an easy trap to fall into.

Yes, you are a better person for avoiding it.

No, wanting to ensure there's an accurate historical assessment of someone's record even in the immediate post-death period where the public "mourns" is not excessive; it's entirely appropriate, because that's when a person's legacy starts really getting heavily filtered.

Without giving the obvious examples, there are very rare occasions where someone so vile and whose existence diminished us as a species dies, and it's tough not to savor the end of their existence.  For many Vietnam veterans, that was McNamara or Westmoreland.  For Romanians, it was Ceaușescu.  For Doctor Who fans, it will be Michael Ian Grade.

I was too young and an American, so I don't have the first-hand perspective of the British who lived during her Ministry.  But from historical analysis, I can understand and sympathize with the people who today feel their country is better off without her.  I'm sure the same will happen the day Americans find out Dick Cheney has died.
2013-04-08 08:42:48 AM
4 votes:

NYCNative: I know shiat about UK politics but I do know that all my punk rock friends thought she was a vile, evil creature who worked in cahoots with Reagan to advance policies that I would have abhorred had I lived there.


This pretty much sums up 99% of the opinions people have of Margaret Thatcher they are based on the second hand thoughts of people vastly unqualified to make an intelligent or relevant judgement in the first place.
2013-04-08 08:28:47 AM
4 votes:
It is somehow comforting to know that she was survived by Nelson Mandela
2013-04-08 08:25:55 AM
4 votes:
Thanks for stealing my milk.

/Still bitter
2013-04-08 08:15:44 AM
4 votes:

Marine1: Like her or not, she helped precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union, which was far more evil than any of her policies. Rest in peace.


They were falling without her help, most of the threat of the USSR by that point was mis-intel by the CIA.
2013-04-08 08:08:46 AM
4 votes:
Honestly thought she died years ago.
2013-04-08 07:09:37 PM
3 votes:
Having kept us with this thread most of the day, I just realized something:

Americans have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to "liberals" and "conservatives".

Liberalism created market capitalism. Adam Smith was a liberal, as were many of the Founding Fatherstm.

Conservatives want to preserve the ideas of the liberals of the past, while the liberals of today want to build upon them.

However, none of that has any bearing on "left-wing" or "right-wing" and today, we have "liberals" who espouse a furthering and humanizing of fundamentally right-wing economic policies (hence why globalization is referred to as "neo-liberal economics") and "conservatives" who want to remain in the past.

In neither instance is there a "left-wing" in those discussions. In the end, it's progressive capitalists arguing with regressive capitalists, and occasionally social policy is thrown in just as a wedge (else both parties realize that they are fundamentally arguing for the same thing).

Thatcher was the worst sort of right-wing authoritarian, and the world is much better off with her out of power. Thankfully that has been for quite some time, and now with her passing we can symbolically move past a time where we could have been far more enlightened.

Merits a reposting
2013-04-08 12:03:36 PM
3 votes:

cman: I cannot believe the hatred towards her even in her death. This vitriol is crazy. What the hell is happening to humanity?


Aw geez, grow up and grow a pair.

This vitriol is entirely appropriate. As to what has happened to humanity, I think we're being very reserved. Nobody is dragging her through the streets like Mussolini. Which is a shame because she was equally as evil. Wanna know what we humans did to Cromwell after he died? Go ahead, look it up.

This is a rather tame response to a dead tyrant. Almost respectable.
2013-04-08 12:02:52 PM
3 votes:
Dear America,

your ignorance is showing. Anyone defending Thatcher and her policies has their head stuck far up their arse.

The only good thing to come from those policies was the music and the comedy because Thatcher could never take those.

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news.bbcimg.co.uk

NSPCC indeed.
2013-04-08 10:34:20 AM
3 votes:

Mark Ratner: lmao


Happy Hours: Well, I'm sure all your punk rock friends were very knowledgeable about world politics.


I'm sure you're very knowledgeable about punk rock... Or not.

The best and most influential punk bands were (and in many cases still are) very much political, from The Clash and Oi Polloi to Crass and Rudimentary Peni  to American bands such as Dead Kennedy's to more contemporary bands such as Anti-Flag.

You can feel free to disagree with the politics of punk (they are not as uniform as one might think though so it's pretty likely that you will find a punk band that espouses your views whether you're a teenage anarchist or a Tea Partier) or call them naive (with your condescension, that seems likely), but to say that punk bands lack knowledge or an interest in politics just shows that you lack knowledge about punk rock history and ideology.  And are completely unafraid to flaunt your ignorance.

www.jpc.de
2013-04-08 09:40:54 AM
3 votes:
I'm not a US liberal born in the 80s or whatever the assumption was further up.
Born in the 60s, British, apolitical.
Growing up in the 80s was farking grim in England, honestly, you can all laugh and joke, name-call and get your panties in a wad, but it was grim and we are still in the same mess as post-Thatcher all politicians here have morphed into the same sort of beast - posh boys that want to horde gold.
2013-04-08 09:23:52 AM
3 votes:

Slaxl: A lot of people don't remember the state the country was in when she came into power. The previous Labour government had been crippled by their own unions. The unions and Arthur Scargill were massively deleterious to the country. They had to be stopped.


By closing an entire industry, with knock-on effects to countless others, on the basis of spurious claims regarding its profitability? Yes, there were catastrophic labour disputes in the late 1970s, this was true across much of Europe. Other countries didn't demolish their energy independence to resolve the problem.

Also there seems to be some opinion that the Falklands war was either of her own manufacture, or a fortuitous something that saved her. Both are obviously wrong.

The latter claim is certainly not 'obviously wrong', Thatcher enjoyed a clear electoral uplift from Britain's success in the Falklands. Whether there was a conscious effort to provoke the war is debatable, but the withdrawl of Endurance despite Barker's warnings was a puzzling moment in post-war brinkmanship.

You won't see this kind of spite and venom when Blair dies

Yes you will and it will be richly deserved.
2013-04-08 08:47:56 AM
3 votes:
guys stop acknowledging objective observable reality, it's mean
2013-04-08 08:36:16 AM
3 votes:
Brezhnev took Afganistan, and Begin took Beruit, and Galtieri, he took the union jack, and Maggie over lunch one day took a cruiser (with all hands) apparently to make him give it back... good times.
2013-04-08 08:33:46 AM
3 votes:

Free Radical: Marine1:

Yeah. Because people like Thatcher and Reagan gave them good reason not to.

Ahhh the testosterone-filled fantasies of a conservative.

You do realize that the same exact thing could be said about the USSR right? Because of their leaders, Reagan and Thatcher were too afraid to launch their nukes.


Except they're the ones who collapsed. Other than that... you're dead-on right.

It was a "Cold War", and yes, the Soviet Union lost. Why? Because Western leaders (including, yes, Margaret Thatcher) enacted policies to put the Soviet Union at a disadvantage.
2013-04-08 08:25:01 AM
3 votes:

Eskurido: This snippet from the CBC article about her death says all you really need to know about her:

"Once in office Thatcher slashed the tax rates for the wealthiest Britons, increased the value-added tax (VAT), reduced government subsidies and began to sell off state-owned enterprises and public housing."

Bye-bye, you short sighted conservative twit.


Yeah, she and Reagan started the whole craze of "trickling down" on the poor.
2013-04-08 08:22:18 AM
3 votes:
What have Thatcher and Savile got in common?

-They both screwed miners.
2013-04-08 08:20:32 AM
3 votes:
Lazy idiots of GB don't even realize that she was one of the best things that ever happened to this pathetic island.
2013-04-08 08:18:39 AM
3 votes:
Fare thee well, you solid biatch. The world is a better place because of your work.

She had more balls then most of the men in politics today.
2013-04-08 08:16:11 AM
3 votes:

NYCNative: I know shiat about UK politics but I do know that all my punk rock friends thought she was a vile, evil creature who worked in cahoots with Reagan to advance policies that I would have abhorred had I lived there.


lmao
2013-04-08 08:15:53 AM
3 votes:
Libderp ludicrous speed!
2013-04-08 08:15:43 AM
3 votes:

Marine1: Like her or not, she helped precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union, which was far more evil than any of her policies. Rest in peace.


I don't recall the USSR being particularly evil towards the British populace, you know, the people that old harridan was meant to be representing...
2013-04-08 08:14:57 AM
3 votes:
Well, this should be a nice calm respectful thread.

RIP Maggie, you provided a backbone when it was needed....
2013-04-08 08:10:06 AM
3 votes:
it's time for that Thatcher Death Party then, I've been waiting a LONG time.
Back in the 90s I think consensus was that we'd all just congregate in central London and go crazy, but since then the Met have shown they don't really stand for that sort of thing so much. According to Google the party is 6pm the first Saturday after the event. I assume that London will be very much on lockdown this weekend now.
2013-04-08 08:09:47 AM
3 votes:
She had quite a life, certainly an exceptional human being.
2013-04-08 10:58:42 PM
2 votes:
Most of the people on the Maggie hate train have no idea why they're going for the ride.
2013-04-08 02:45:34 PM
2 votes:

cman: Epoch_Zero: cman: Bloody William: muck4doo: Bloody William: She's on my list of people-I'm-totally-not-celebrating-their-death-but-don't-expect-any-te ars-and-I-might-make-a-few-smartass-remarks-while-smirking-to-myself-s o-it-doesn't-feel-like-I'm-really-celebrating-their-death justification. She was horrible. Her policies hurt people. Her actions led to suffering and death. I won't apologize for getting some sense of satisfaction that she is no longer here.

Much easier to say you hated her politics and are glad she is dead. Why not, lots of other tards on Fark are doing it?

I'm not claiming to be good here, man. I'm claiming to be human. I recognize it's a moral failing to react in this way, but I'm doing it anyway. I'm not strong enough to behave with poise and maturity when someone truly horrible, whose actions have resulted in pain for many, dies. I wish I was. All I can do is not dance, but don't judge me for tapping my feet under my desk.

How many Brits did she kill?

British military casualties from Falklands War: 236

That is not necessarily what I meant. I will be more specific.

I would like for you to provide a citation to your claim that her policies caused much pain and much death of the British people.


Well I'm not exactly up on British history from the 1980s, but here's a post from upthread:

keylock71: Heh... Gerry Adams' statement on her death:

Margaret Thatcher did great hurt to the Irish and British people during her time as British Prime Minister.
Working class communities were devastated in Britain because of her policies.
Her role in international affairs was equally belligerent whether in support of the Chilean dictator Pinochet, her opposition to sanctions against apartheid South Africa; and her support for the Khmer Rouge.
Here in Ireland her espousal of old draconian militaristic policies prolonged the war and caused great suffering. She embraced censorship, collusion and the killing of citizens by covert operations, including the targeting of solicitors like Pat Finucane, alongside more open military operations and refused to recognise the rights of citizens to vote for parties of their choice.
Her failed efforts to criminalise the republican struggle and the political prisoners is part of her legacy.
It should be noted that in complete contradiction of her public posturing, she authorised a back channel of communications with the Sinn Féin leadership but failed to act on the logic of this.
Unfortunately she was faced with weak Irish governments who failed to oppose her securocrat agenda or to enlist international support in defence of citizens in the north.
Margaret Thatcher will be especially remembered for her shameful role during the epic hunger strikes of 1980 and '81.
Her Irish policy failed miserably.


Then there are her strike-breaking efforts that did have people beaten and killed, her economic policies that left people jobless and homeless while her backers got richer and "trickled down" nothing, and the Falklands.

But the fact that you're being a pedant about someone's comments make it clear you don't actually care.  Her support of evil dictators?  Doesn't matter, because you can weasel-word that only her effect on british citizens counts.  And you even get THAT wrong, since you said, "Did she even attempt to outlaw opposition groups?  No?" As the quote above attests, she actually did.  THEN the obvious dodge in your ever-moving, ever-circling goalposts will be, "they were Irish which didn't count because they didn't recognize the UK as legitimate."  Or something similarly ridiculous.

Maybe the only way to deal with Unions was her "kick in the teeth" method, maybe some things she did needed to be done.  But on the whole she was a bad PM just as Reagan was a bad president, and every person polishing her memory and rebranding their legacies and trying to resurrect their brands of vulture capitalism and kleptocratic villainy needs to be resisted.  Some lessons need to stay learned and some images should not be rehabilitated.
2013-04-08 11:59:59 AM
2 votes:
Maggie was running the show for about 12 years. Under her the UK:

Increased quarterly GDP from $173B to $215B - so she grew the economy by 22% in 12 years - not impressed. Heck, half of that is covered by population growth. Probably only 1% average per capita GDP growth over her term.
She sold off massive government assets to her palls and political allies, but still piled on more and more debt.
Fought a stupid war with Argentina over nearly worthless islands, but happily did nothing about Hong Kong being reabsorbed by China.
Pretty much destroyed domestic manufacturing - setting off an unprecedented shift to depending on Asian imports.
Was entirely too chummy with the dictators and strongmen of the world.
2013-04-08 11:32:33 AM
2 votes:
I'm certain this thread will contain the usual gloating by the usual ghouls on the Left, so I'm not going to bother reading it or engaging in any pointless slagging matches. But I would like to offer a perspective on Thatcher that is British, conservative, and of her own time. In the late 1970s the UK was frequently in chaos from various strikes and union- led disruptions. At different times there were power cuts, railway strikes, rubbish left piling up on the streets, even dead bodies left unburied. The most powerful unions were led by hard- Left or even Communist sympathizers; indeed, Jack Jones -- the head of the Transport and General Workers' Union, regarded by the public as the "most powerful man in Britain" in 1977 -- was at the time also working for the KGB (the secret police of the USSR), and Thatcher's later nemesis Arthur Scargill tried to secure Soviet funding in order to further the miners' strike of the 1980s. Such men, whatever their rank and file members may have felt about Communism, were obviously not interested in rectifying the injustices of the existing system but wanted to destroy it altogether. And by the late 1970s their efforts were bearing abundant fruit; the British economy was an absolute mess. In 1976 what was once the richest country in the world was going cap in hand to the IMF for a bailout; inflation and unemployment were rampant. This is the Britain that Thatcher inherited, and many working- class families such as mine were ready for something different. She was to be elected three times to her office, reflecting a broad base of discontent with the inverventionist status quo of the 70s.

Thatcher, though not without faults, was an excellent prime minister in many ways. Her decisive action on the Falklands saw the control of those islands rightfully returned to their inhabitants; her strong ties with Reagan and NATO generally helped to counter Soviet belligerence after the appeasement and weakness shown towards the Soviets by Wilson and Heath. Her advocacy of council home ownership and new home building helped to rejuvenate working- class areas; I saw the transformation in East Belfast in the 1980s, which during my pre- Thatcher childhood had been blighted by empty lots, leftover wartime rubble, and dogsh*t.

Even in the crisis that she is most remembered to for, the miners' strike, we can deliver at worst a mixed verdict. The simple fact is that the coal mines were losing money and had effectively become a kind of massively subsidized welfare scheme. And let's be honest with ourselves: Thatcher is now vilified for closing the mines by exactly the same people who supported Obama when he pledged to "bankrupt" the coal industry; coal- fired plants in the US are no longer being built, and many working- class jobs in the American coal industry are being destroyed. At least Thatcher was trying to save money; Obama is merely pursuing a chimerical green energy dream.

So for all those fanatics and zealots out there who are today tap- dancing on Thatcher's grave -- especially those who were in nappies or not even born when she was PM -- do yourselves a favour and, instead of listening to the slanders and the slogans, pick up a fairly neutral and detailed book about her administration and make up your own mind, instead of having it made up for you.
2013-04-08 10:56:13 AM
2 votes:
t2.gstatic.com

my dad had this hanging in our basement for as long as I can remember
2013-04-08 10:40:23 AM
2 votes:

FarkedOver: There will be dancing in the streets, as he was history's greatest monster.


Well for my pre-emptive contribution to that thread, Carter is a much better humanitarian than he was President.  His idealism (and naivete?) led him to believe those roles were one in the same.
2013-04-08 10:37:46 AM
2 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: At least her spiritual successor is still here to guide us.

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LOL! Palin actually DID try to make herself into Thatcher 2.0 by going to the UK and asking for a visit to see Maggie (to help boost her conservative cred during the 2012 primaries, obviously). Thatcher and her staff wanted nothing to do with such a vapid glory whore and told her to sod off.
2013-04-08 10:26:49 AM
2 votes:
 

YoOjo: I'm not a US liberal born in the 80s or whatever the assumption was further up.
Born in the 60s, British, apolitical.
Growing up in the 80s was farking grim in England, honestly, you can all laugh and joke, name-call and get your panties in a wad, but it was grim and we are still in the same mess as post-Thatcher all politicians here have morphed into the same sort of beast - posh boys that want to horde gold.


The ultimate analysis of Thatcher can be summed up that even while GDP was rising, there was always massive unemployment (it was mostly ~3m while she was in charge, dipping briefly to "just" 2m in the middle period). It was ~1.5m when she took over (despite the severe economic problems and union activism), and ~1.5m for most of "New Labour". Despite the recent crisis and double (triple?) dip recessions in recent years, it still hasn't reached such levels. Basically a common right wing economic strategy - get lots of people unemployed and desperate so that company owners have much more negotiating power to take all the profits from a growing economy onto themselves, obviously alongside the more obvious undermining of union power (their links to the Labour party needed to be weakened as they had too much power in the 70s, but they are still a useful counterbalance to large corporations taking advantage of the "working class")
2013-04-08 10:14:57 AM
2 votes:

remus: Wow, there's no hate like liberal hate I guess.  Way to show how classy you are libs!


I was raised to show respect for the dead, or at least the newly-dead, as I suspect you were as well.  And if you couldn't be respectful then you should at least hold your tongue.

However I believe that it does a dis-service to our culture and society to not call something out when it's true and deserved.

She was an oppressive tyrant whom largely served the upper-class.  She has come down on the wrong side of history.
2013-04-08 10:09:29 AM
2 votes:
Whether or not you agree with her politics she was an exceptional world leader, and a person who smashed through the glass ceiling.

"These may not be women you wanna fark, but they are definitely women you don't wanna fark with." - Robin Williams.
2013-04-08 10:06:02 AM
2 votes:

GoldSpider: Or are Socialists cool with fomenting hatred? I can never keep track.


Nothing wrong with hating a class enemy.  You know, people who want to privatize everything and destroy unions and drive down wages for profit.   Because at the end of the day what is profit? It's just what's left over from not paying workers a living wage.  It's not a bad thing to hate thatcher.... she was a terrible enemy to workers.  She was a great friend to Pinochet though!
2013-04-08 09:45:27 AM
2 votes:

Fish_Fight!: wow, lib hate machine out in full force this morning!


Why deny her what she worked so hard for?
2013-04-08 09:45:06 AM
2 votes:
Margaret Thatcher, objectively pro-apartheid: "'The ANC is a typical terrorist organisation ... Anyone who thinks it is going to run the government in South Africa is living in cloud-cuckoo land'"
2013-04-08 09:43:36 AM
2 votes:
To the cosmos, ma'am.  I didn't agree with your politics, but at least you showed women could be just as ruthless and scurrilous as the men.
2013-04-08 09:42:03 AM
2 votes:

Jackson Herring: doyner: We're cool.

you're cool with a guy who's entire point was "libs bad"?


I'm cool with him being civil to me.  I'm cool with not dancing on Thatcher's grave.  I'm cool with respectfully disagreeing.  Yes, I disagreed with his charactarization of liberals--still do--but despite that, and due to pretty much everything he's posted since, I have no issue.  I'm sure we'll disagree in some other thread, but his point about demonizing is spot on.

Civility is the antithesis of demogogy. Civility needs to be nurtured.
2013-04-08 09:39:43 AM
2 votes:
Heh... Gerry Adams' statement on her death:

Margaret Thatcher did great hurt to the Irish and British people during her time as British Prime Minister.
Working class communities were devastated in Britain because of her policies.
Her role in international affairs was equally belligerent whether in support of the Chilean dictator Pinochet, her opposition to sanctions against apartheid South Africa; and her support for the Khmer Rouge.
Here in Ireland her espousal of old draconian militaristic policies prolonged the war and caused great suffering. She embraced censorship, collusion and the killing of citizens by covert operations, including the targeting of solicitors like Pat Finucane, alongside more open military operations and refused to recognise the rights of citizens to vote for parties of their choice.
Her failed efforts to criminalise the republican struggle and the political prisoners is part of her legacy.
It should be noted that in complete contradiction of her public posturing, she authorised a back channel of communications with the Sinn Féin leadership but failed to act on the logic of this.
Unfortunately she was faced with weak Irish governments who failed to oppose her securocrat agenda or to enlist international support in defence of citizens in the north.
Margaret Thatcher will be especially remembered for her shameful role during the epic hunger strikes of 1980 and '81.
Her Irish policy failed miserably.


Ought to ruffle a few feathers.
2013-04-08 09:29:07 AM
2 votes:
I seriously wonder WTF will happen to Fark the day Abe Vigoda actually dies.  It will be a very strange day indeed.
2013-04-08 09:10:07 AM
2 votes:
RIP, Baroness.

I may not agree with... well, almost any of your policies, but you lived an interesting life.
2013-04-08 09:06:31 AM
2 votes:
There's no hate like liberal hate!
2013-04-08 09:04:40 AM
2 votes:
Halli: muck4doo: doyner: muck4doo: Stay classy libs.

Yeah.  April 8, 2013: The day the moral high ground was ceded.

You never had moral high ground. That's why most people don't like you. Wanting to help the world but demonizing everyone who disagrees with your ways and means, then laughing when they die isn't a way to win hearts and minds.

Aww someone wants attention today. You are trying so hard in this thread.

The real attention whores are celebrating this woman's death. I'm saying it isn't right. Since when is saying act like a decent human being the act of an attention whore?


Because I'm sure not a single conservative expressed joy at Chavez's cancer and death. I was just fine doing a jig when bin Laden got killed and I'm just fine doing another now.
2013-04-08 08:58:25 AM
2 votes:

Marine1: Like her or not, she helped precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union, which was far more evil than any of her policies. Rest in peace.


That's the same thing the Reagan felaters all say here in the states, and it's BS here too.

Reagan and Thatcher had exactly as much to do with the fall of the Soviets that every other president and PM.  The soviets fell due to their own corruption, mismanagement, and ill treatment of their people.
2013-04-08 08:57:36 AM
2 votes:

Tyrone Slothrop: theknuckler_33: As a libby lib leftists, albeit here in the states, I am always saddened when people who seem to agree with me, politically, rightfully point out the disgusting nature of personal attacks on people we support who then gleefully turn around and do the very same thing to those we do not support. Dancing on her grave is farking disgusting.

I have little sympathy for people who's life goal appears to make the world a worse place.


Well, that certainly is objective.  I understand you probably didn't like her policies, but making the blanket assumption that those policies display a specific INTENT to make the world a worse place it the kind of mental gymnastics that make political compromise nearly impossible these days. When people on the right, for example, accuse Obama of intentionally trying to destroy America, we on the left roll our eyes at the absurdity of such a thing. I, for one at least, can acknowledge the same absurdity in the opposite direction.
2013-04-08 08:53:57 AM
2 votes:
She destroyed the mining industry for ideological reasons. We now import coal... From Australia.
2013-04-08 08:50:47 AM
2 votes:
A lot of people don't remember the state the country was in when she came into power. The previous Labour government had been crippled by their own unions. The unions and Arthur Scargill were massively deleterious to the country. They had to be stopped. Also there seems to be some opinion that the Falklands war was either of her own manufacture, or a fortuitous something that saved her. Both are obviously wrong. You won't see this kind of spite and venom when Blair dies, yet he is one PM who you could justify taking to court for the shiat he did. The others were better at hiding it.
2013-04-08 08:46:56 AM
2 votes:

theknuckler_33: As a libby lib leftists, albeit here in the states, I am always saddened when people who seem to agree with me, politically, rightfully point out the disgusting nature of personal attacks on people we support who then gleefully turn around and do the very same thing to those we do not support. Dancing on her grave is farking disgusting.


I have little sympathy for people who's life goal appears to make the world a worse place.
2013-04-08 08:46:18 AM
2 votes:
They could bury her in one of Britain's many derelict coal mines in the spirit of irony or sumpn'.
2013-04-08 08:44:57 AM
2 votes:
Even if she has a set of letters that don't get published until after she passes, I really hope the Queen serves history and leaves us a better understanding of what discord if any developed between her and the Thatcher Ministry.  I wonder if she became frustrated with Thatcher's policies or just her attitude towards people.

Marine1: MyKingdomForYourHorse: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: But again, Thatcher had nothing to do with it, her actions did nothing to hasten their fall. They were spending over 1/3 of their GDP on defense, it was completely unsustainable.

Perhaps not directly, but the actions of the many western nations which forced that hand into spending for said defense helped speed things along.

Speaking of spending a third on defense, that sounds familiar for some reason.

Actually, that is directly impacting the fall of the Soviet Union. If the Soviets had been left to their own devices, they would have spent money on other things. The West knew that their economies were more dynamic; they used that to their advantage.


The biggest debate in my undergrad major (an odd hybrid of military history and national security) was, "Was the Revolution in Military Affairs responsible for the end of the Cold War, and can it be the foundation of a viable military doctrine for the future?"

/Our consensus in 2004 was "Yes, to a certain extent" and "Yes, if you are willing to by into what Donald Rumsfeld says about numbers being irrelevant."
//We had almost wrapped up for the semester when the escalation in Fallujah began; that should have been the sign for those of us that supported the war that our narrative did not line up with reality.
2013-04-08 08:41:18 AM
2 votes:
on the minus side :
she trashed our industry and manufacturing base and left us at the beck and call of a bunch of odious bankers. for that may she rot in hell.

on the plus side:
she gave Argentina a bloody nose. (well our armed forces did that) but i doubt Labour would have sent the taskforce south.

I truly dread the week of sanctimonious drivel that will now follow.
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2013-04-08 08:39:05 AM
2 votes:

theknuckler_33: As a libby lib leftists, albeit here in the states, I am always saddened when people who seem to agree with me, politically, rightfully point out the disgusting nature of personal attacks on people we support who then gleefully turn around and do the very same thing to those we do not support. Dancing on her grave is farking disgusting.


I am not "dancing on her grave" today.  Every human death is a tragedy, especially to that particular family.  The problem here is she did some pretty horrible stuff in her time.  Even worse than Reagan, because he was a bumbler.  She did what she did on purpose and I am not a fan.
2013-04-08 08:33:21 AM
2 votes:
I loved her.  I always will.  She chose her battles well. Not only as woman in a mans world of politics did she hold her ground, but in an era of such ego and hubris, she made lambs out the ludicrous. 

The world lost a really wonderful woman today, and I can't see any person in the near future, male or female, who could even begin to replicate her prowess. 

*Cries*
2013-04-08 08:32:39 AM
2 votes:

Marine1: Actually, that is directly impacting the fall of the Soviet Union. If the Soviets had been left to their own devices, they would have spent money on other things. The West knew that their economies were more dynamic; they used that to their advantage.


Yeah Team B was hilariously wrong about the Soviet Union. They were crumbling long before the 80's.
2013-04-08 08:30:28 AM
2 votes:
Looks like this is the thread where all the Argentinians are hanging out.
2013-04-08 08:28:22 AM
2 votes:

Jackson Herring:  "I owe nothing to women's lib."

 "The feminists hate me, don't they? And I don't blame them. For I hate feminism. It is poison."

What a shiat she was.


The moment we start dividing ourselves into blacks OR whites, men OR women, Christians OR Musslemen when regarding laws or communications the polarities are set to begin some kind of war, hatred, or abuse.
2013-04-08 08:27:06 AM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
2013-04-08 08:18:56 AM
2 votes:

NYCNative: I know shiat about UK politics but I do know that all my punk rock friends thought she was a vile, evil creature who worked in cahoots with Reagan to advance policies that I would have abhorred had I lived there.


Well, I'm sure all your punk rock friends were very knowledgeable about world politics.
2013-04-08 08:17:20 AM
2 votes:
public.sn2.livefilestore.com
2013-04-08 08:16:41 AM
2 votes:

GoldSpider: I expect this thread will contain the usual amounts of dignity and respect for the recently departed.

HotWingConspiracy: At least her spiritual successor is still here to guide us.

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Jackson Herring: What a shiat she was.

Right again.


Thatcher is never going to sleep with you bro
2013-04-08 08:15:01 AM
2 votes:

nekom: A huge force in history, whether you liked or hated her politics.  May she rest in peace.


I won't be crass. I'm from another country and I was a child at that time, anyway. But her kind of divisive, inhumane politics influenced even my fair country.
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RIP Kreacher
2013-04-08 08:13:54 AM
2 votes:
bye, you nasty old biatch
2013-04-08 08:12:40 AM
2 votes:
Our long national nightmare is over
2013-04-08 08:11:55 AM
2 votes:
I know shiat about UK politics but I do know that all my punk rock friends thought she was a vile, evil creature who worked in cahoots with Reagan to advance policies that I would have abhorred had I lived there.
2013-04-08 08:10:31 AM
2 votes:
I think Lemmy best sums up my feelings on this matter.

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2013-04-11 06:17:06 PM
1 votes:

sethstorm: Flint Ironstag: Considering that the UK has employee rights today, and during Margaret Thatchers time, that US most workers can only dream of, like statutory redundancy entitlement, right to claim constructive dismissal, four weeks holiday etc plus free healthcare, unemployment benefits etc all suggest she did not go anywhere close to taking away workers rights of giving employers unlimited power.

How about the classification abuse - where there are two tiers below the already second-class agency worker?  There's the zero-hour, "on-call" job that gets used to get around the generous agency worker protections.  Below that, is the job-tryout worker that is strung out as if they were paid - which was something done by Tesco and by Close Protection UK.

That said, there's a difference between the intent of each and the actual practice of each.

(The impression that I get is that employers in the UK are deathly afraid of the full-time classification just for how well-protected people would be when having it.   It's bad enough that it's made agency work a given - where it is the benefit dodge in places like the United States -  to the point where employers use on-call workers as the new benefit dodge.  If they protected the zero-hour and try-out tiers, there'd be someone under *those* tiers.)


How exactly did "employers (go) open season on everyone not them"?  I worked through most of the Thatcher government. I was never made to work unpaid overtime, never denied sick pay, never threatened with being fired without cause, never denied benefits, never denied redundancy payments. Just how was I badly mistreated?

You didn't utter the five-letter U-word in an unfavorable way during your employment or otherwise indicate it in a way that employers (and employers' groups) could pick up.  That, and you're likely not to have been involved in the industries that Thatcher attacked or privatized.

Basically you weren't one of the groups targeted by Thatcher's government(which for t ...


To your first points the people I directly know who work at my local Asda tell me that they do not have agency workers at there, but to be fair I don't know about other stores. As for job try out "that is strung out" all said they worked for about half a shift, maybe four hours. And when they were hired they were paid for those hours. I assume people not hired would not be paid. In any case it is hardly a productive business model to use people for four hours where they will require more supervision than had you just got an employee to do the job themselves.

As to unions during Margaret Thatchers time and now I live here and your idea that anyone "mentioning the U-word" would be picked on is laughable. Did you know that Asda hands out union literature in their staff canteens? I have no idea whether they are forced to do so, though I can't imagine how, but they do  The union is the GMB  Like any employer/union relationship they have had disagreements but your vision is something that is simply not recognisable here and I lived through this time.

As for during the Thatcher government I was not a member of a union where I then worked, but the point is I didn't need to be. I had rights, the right to redundancy pay if I was made redundant, the right to claim unfair or constructive dismissal, right to sick pay and 4 weeks holiday pay, right to claim unemployment or welfare if I was made unemployed and so on. I was never been asked to work unpaid overtime. Those rights have stayed much the same up to today, through Conservative and Labour governments. (The maximum 48 hour working week being introduced is about the only major change.)

Not saying it's some workers paradise here. But it is not, and was not under Thatcher, a workers hell either. Millions or working class people loved Thatcher and voted for her again and again. Millions of ordinary workers earned good money, bought their own houses and saw their standard of living rise hugely.
2013-04-09 02:39:01 AM
1 votes:

I'm no expert but...: I imagine there will be more than a few celebrations tonight.


No sh*t. I'm kind of sad the IRA didn't take her, but at least now she isn't a martyr except in the eyes of the truly goddamn retarded..

/I won't say "no tears shed"
//but they're tears of joy
///may she rot in hell with Oliver Cromwell
2013-04-08 11:45:34 PM
1 votes:

o5iiawah: rewind2846: Reagan f*cked things up as well with the same mindset.

yes, that whole creating 20,000,000 jobs in 8 years thing was an absolute failure.


Yeah... about that... you might want to check on what kind of jobs were "created" during his term, as well as how many jobs were created during the term of his predecessor... about 213, 417 a month during his first (one) term, compared with only 105,333 a month during the first term of St. Reagan. Unemployment also decreased by 1.4 percent under carter, while only by 1.2 percent in St Reagan's first round.

Most of those jobs were lower wage jobs, as outsourcing was full f*cking speed ahead for manufacturing and other higher wage positions which didn't require a college degree. The results are evident 25 years later. We won't even go into the legacy of homelessness he left behind, or energy dependence to the middle east, his sh*tting on the environment, his desire to privatize social security, and "morning in america" for some that produced a nightmare for others.

Also - "When President Carter entered office, the unemployment rate was 8.3% and was still high at 6.9% by the end of his term.  By the end of Reagan's second term, the unemployment rate had dropped to a relatively low 5%."

In Carter's four years, the unemployment rate dropped a full 1.4%. It took eight years of St. Reagan to get it down another 1.9%.

I spent my 20's there, and it was f*cked up. He's the main reason why I and so many of my friends joined the military, because there were no jobs anywhere else. Took me years to figure out (as it would be with later republican administrations) that this was no accident.
2013-04-08 09:54:08 PM
1 votes:

dwrash: Love her or hate her, she had the courage to go her own way and did't give a rats ass whether her party was coming along with her.

She is the embodyment of the kind of politician we need today.. instead we get the weak knee'd wusses that cave to even a small amount of public pressure.


FAIL. She's the type of politician, the type of person that f*cked things up so badly in the 80's. Reagan f*cked things up as well with the same mindset. That "not giving a rat's ass" is what did it... we need politicians who THINK, not who blindly follow a pre-set program without EVER questioning if that program is right, even when all the evidence shows it isn't.  That's called "being on the wrong side of history".

When the car is heading toward a cliff, "stay the course" is usually a very bad idea... but as you fly off the edge to your death, at least the people who show up at your funeral will be able to say that you "stood by your convictions", right? You didn't believe in gravity! You went your own way!

I don't trust ANYONE who never questions their beliefs.
2013-04-08 07:04:59 PM
1 votes:
This is not a time for celebration. The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society.

Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism. Don't celebrate - organise!
-Billy Bragg
2013-04-08 06:12:46 PM
1 votes:
Damn. I had no idea there were so many anti-Thatcher songs.

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2013/04/08/margaret-thatcher-dead/
2013-04-08 05:30:21 PM
1 votes:
Man, epic right wing asshurt thread.

People like Reagan and Thatcher get dementia as a defense mechanism to forget all the blood on their hands.
2013-04-08 05:30:06 PM
1 votes:
Never agreed with her politically, but I always admired her sense of style and public speaking abilities. She may not have been anybody I'd vote for, ideologically, but she was definitely someone I could see defending in a pub argument with a person from a different country, if only on grounds of being a badass and getting a lot done for women. And though I'm not conservative myself, or British for that matter, I know for a fact that we could get more done as a country with conservatives like Margaret Thatcher for an opposition party than conservatives like we have now.

Darn it all, why do the Brits still turn out consistently more interesting everything? 'Doctor Who' is better than anything on Yank TV, KT Tunstall kicks Katy Perry's ass, J.K. Rowling stomps Stephanie Meyer so hard it isn't even a contest and I can't think of any female American politician, conservative, liberal or nutjob, that has the consistency and grit of Margaret Thatcher. Hell, I can't think of any current American politician, male or female, who's as competent as Harriet Jones from 'Doctor Who.' Even the Canadians have had more interesting First Ladies.

I agree with Sherlock Holmes that an Anglo-American country, with a quartering of Old Glory and the Union flag for its' symbol, would be preferable to the current arrangement. Just ennobling all the rich old men of Washington into the House of Lords and out of actual power would be better.
2013-04-08 03:32:23 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: Fart_Machine: Former Allied Nation Prime Minister dies. Did you expect him to say anything that wasn't complementary?

It's almost as if Obama isn't particularly Liberal.


And Presidents offer their condolences when former allied leaders die.
2013-04-08 03:30:24 PM
1 votes:

Snarfangel: With the passing of Baroness Margaret Thatcher, the world has lost one of the great champions of freedom and liberty, and America has lost a true friend. As a grocer's daughter who rose to become Britain's first female prime minister, she stands as an example to our daughters that there is no glass ceiling that can't be shattered.

--President Barack Obama


She kicked away the ladder for her female colleagues. Her administration had the fewest (or near-so) female members of any recent PM.
2013-04-08 03:11:16 PM
1 votes:

THE GREAT NAME: Mrtraveler01: THE GREAT NAME: Now capitalism is calling for (actually relatively mild) austerity, and the sooner we do it the sooner we'll be back to growth. We just need a Thatcher 2.0 to clear away all the frothing crypto-marxist morons.

Like David Cameron?

Ask the UK how good of a job they think he's doing.

Okay.
"HEY UK HOW IS CAMERON DOING"
...
"OH REALLY WELL THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW"

UK says it wants more austerity. Except a few middle class limousine liberals, who make a lot of sound and fury but, as Shakespeare would say, signify nothing.


These beg to differ. He's not popular in the UK at all and neither is austerity. You are just detached from reality it seems.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/mar/09/britons-george-osborn e- opinion-poll 
http://news.opinium.co.uk/survey-results/political-polling-22nd-janu ar y-2013

http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/01/23/counterparties-davi d- camerons-perplexing-ploy/
2013-04-08 02:58:44 PM
1 votes:
images.dangerousminds.net
2013-04-08 02:46:02 PM
1 votes:

tgambitg: FarkedOver: tgambitg: See, here's the problem with that. Humans. Humans are, by nature, greedy

Spare me the Gordon Gekko / Ayn Rand analysis.  I've read it all before and I still think its horseshiat.

Then you are horribly deluded and naive. And I don't subscribe to Randian thought. I just have this idea that we should be free to do as we please up to the point where we harm others. Pure Socialism/Communism doesn't allow for that. Pure Capitalism doesn't allow for that. Taking the best parts of both does allow for that. Until we can remove money from the social equation, we will always have these problems.


You should read more about socialism and communism, instead of reading what libertarians say about socialism and communism.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Looking through the thread it appears that the majority of people who had personally experience what she did are glad she's gone, and the majority of people who never experienced what she did are upset that the others are glad she's gone.


F*cking this.
2013-04-08 02:40:22 PM
1 votes:

EyeballKid: The_Sponge: lohphat: Conservatives can't stand the thought of something good happening to a stranger.


Oh really?  Then explain why conservatives tend to be better at giving to charity.

First, [citation needed]. Second, if it's true, they likely feel having their name attached to one good deed, like writing $100,000 or so off on one's taxes to put their name/image on a hospital wing, somehow justifies their being an overall shiathead the rest of the time.


Megachurches (including the Catholic Church) are charities.

When it comes to giving to charities whose primary purpose is doing good for others, liberals are much more giving.
2013-04-08 02:33:11 PM
1 votes:
Looking through the thread it appears that the majority of people who had personally experience what she did are glad she's gone, and the majority of people who never experienced what she did are upset that the others are glad she's gone.
2013-04-08 02:26:09 PM
1 votes:

tgambitg: See, here's the problem with that. Humans. Humans are, by nature, greedy


Spare me the Gordon Gekko / Ayn Rand analysis.  I've read it all before and I still think its horseshiat.
2013-04-08 02:10:31 PM
1 votes:
I rarely agreed with her or her actions, but she clearly stated her intentions and then followed through on them -- she was often misguided, but I think she honestly believed that the policies she proposed and then later implemented were for the best. I happen to think she was mostly wrong, but I don't think that she or her supporters were evil. After all, you should never attribute malice to that which can adequately be explained by stupidity or ignorance. (Or a combination thereof)

I'd rather have an honest politician I disagree with than the usual lying sack of shiat we so often wind up with.

It's a small mind that is unable to respect someone they cannot agree with.

So I respected her (and Regan to a lesser extent) but disagreed with both of them.
2013-04-08 01:24:59 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: Psylence: Not exactly productive, but likely cathartic to people directly affected by her policies with poor impulse control.

I very much doubt that there are more than a handful of people on Fark who have been directly affected by her policies.  This is ideological hatred, pure and simple.


If someone in the UK has:

• Been blacklisted from employment from multiple employers after showing visible support for a labor union
• Worked under agency/zero-hour/part-time/less-than-FTE arrangements in lines of work usually done with FTE's
• Worked for the mining industries
• Worked for the banking industries
• Worked for the privatized companies
• Attempted to criticize Thatcher in the media
• Lived with someone who was affected by the above

...then they have been affected by Ms. Thatcher's policies.  That's going to cover a LOT of people.

At least Reagan limited his attacks to the firing of 12000 ATC's, then had government get out of the way.

/if one thinks that Obama is the only one that used the media as a weapon - look at Thatcher's use of it in the 1980's.
2013-04-08 01:09:05 PM
1 votes:

The_Sponge: FarkedOver: The_Sponge: You know, if you truly believed in what you're spewing, you would live on a commune somewhere in Oregon, instead of making money via intellectual property in the pharmaceutical industry.

So you capitalists can have us all conveniently in one place!? I THINK NOT SIR!!


So how do you sleep at night, knowing that you make a living supporting "big pharma"?


I sleep just fine at night because I am not the owner of a big pharma company.  You want to place the blame on workers rather than on the actual problem.... the drug companies. You make it seems as I wake up in the morning and rub my hands together and think to myself "How can I help my masters make more money!?" I'm sorry, but your understanding of what work is and what workers should feel is deeply flawed.  I wake up in the morning and go to work to make a living, so I can eat, so I can have shelter.  The executives at big pharma companies wake up every morning not wanting to help people but wondering how they can make more money.... that is the problem.  I am not the problem, workers are not the problem.

Is the janitor who sweeps floors at a pharmaceutical company complicit in all of this too?
2013-04-08 01:02:16 PM
1 votes:

The_Sponge: You know, if you truly believed in what you're spewing, you would live on a commune somewhere in Oregon, instead of making money via intellectual property in the pharmaceutical industry.


So you capitalists can have us all conveniently in one place!? I THINK NOT SIR!!
2013-04-08 12:56:43 PM
1 votes:

FarkedOver: skullkrusher: FarkedOver: GoldSpider: FarkedOver: Is he the monster America makes him out to be? No.

Fine, I'll go along with that for now.  And the embargo still being continued today is stupid.

What are your thoughts on his treatment of political dissidents?

That depends.  I have no problem actively suppressing capitalists.  I know he suppresses homosexuals and I do not agree with that one bit.

It is an honor to be posting in a thread with you, Mr President

/not intended to be a factual statement

The suppression of capitalists that I envision doesn't necessarily come from the state.


I know. That's why I like you despite your glorification of violence against people who own their own lathes and hire people to help them out with them.
2013-04-08 12:54:24 PM
1 votes:

FarkedOver: I have no problem actively suppressing capitalists.


Do you ever wonder why "the people" here don't embrace a system that relies on jailing/executing people who don't share in the national ideology?
2013-04-08 12:31:46 PM
1 votes:
This was really my only exposure to Margaret Thacher.

ecx.images-amazon.com
2013-04-08 12:31:34 PM
1 votes:

cman: What the hell is happening to humanity?


You don't think people celebrated deaths before today?  Stop trolling and grow up.
2013-04-08 12:24:25 PM
1 votes:

cman: hillary: cman: I cannot believe the hatred towards her even in her death. This vitriol is crazy. What the hell is happening to humanity?

Aw geez, grow up and grow a pair.

This vitriol is entirely appropriate. As to what has happened to humanity, I think we're being very reserved. Nobody is dragging her through the streets like Mussolini. Which is a shame because she was equally as evil. Wanna know what we humans did to Cromwell after he died? Go ahead, look it up.

This is a rather tame response to a dead tyrant. Almost respectable.

You are comparing her to Mussolini? You mean the guy who arrested and executed those who opposed him?

WOW are you delusional. You hate her so much that you are comparing her to a war criminal.

Did she open concentration camps? Did she conspire to kill millions of Jews? Did she even attempt to outlaw opposition groups?

No?


There'[s a bit of a spectrum, and while I can admit Thatcher is fairly far away from Hitler, she's still in the "horrible" zone.

Literally took milk away from poor kids.
Supported the Khmer Rouge and Pinochet.
The whole Falklands thing, a fairly big point.
And, while I know you won't be satisfied by anything less than her being photographed with a smoking gun over the body of an orphan, her economic policies, specifically in dealing with the unions and privatizing industries, did hurt a lot of people. I am of the opinion that her policies resulted in a lot of people getting their lives farked up in various ways.
2013-04-08 12:13:04 PM
1 votes:

cman:
I know she upset many of you in the UK; but you dont have to go full American and shiat on her grave. You Brits are supposed to be better than us when it comes to manners.


You're supposed to show manners to your rapist?

Stockholm Syndrome much?
2013-04-08 12:09:07 PM
1 votes:
I really miss William F. Buckley, Jr. We should wrap him in copper and make his coffin out of magnets over what has happened to the GOP.

Anyway, here's part of his interview with Thatcher.

Note that at roughly the 11-minute mark, she endorses some amount of wealth redistribution.
2013-04-08 11:59:09 AM
1 votes:

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Her advocacy of council home ownership and new home building helped to rejuvenate working- class areas; I saw the transformation in East Belfast in the 1980s, which during my pre- Thatcher childhood had been blighted by empty lots, leftover wartime rubble, and dogsh*t.


East Belfast benefitted from an inpouring of state funds to counter the rising threat of Republicanism caused by mass poverty and unemployment. Right to Buy did not exist in the same form as in England and, indeed, did not exist at all until the late '80s.

Conversely, many areas of England saw a severe decline in the availability and quality of social housing. Those able to buy their homes, at a fraction of market value, did so and prospered, but less desirable property became a ghetto of the poor that increasing centralisation of funding stripped councils, even where the will existed, of the capacity for adequate maintenance and policing.

It would be absurd to suggest that there were no benefits from Thatcherite policies, but they frequently came at dreadful social cost.
2013-04-08 11:56:34 AM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: FarkedOver: All I can do is campaign for a change to the way things are.

And you have to understand the skepticism of people who are aware of many prior social movements in the past that demanded ideological purity.  Such societies have always abused human rights, and have all failed.


The point isn't ideology, it's that democracy needs to exist. Until people can flex democratic control over their economic lives then all talk of democracy in western societies is just a dog and pony show.* We should be finding ways to make our society more democratic and in more ways. Is that such a bad thing?

*I want a democracy, not a republic.
2013-04-08 11:49:53 AM
1 votes:
She's on my list of people-I'm-totally-not-celebrating-their-death-but-don't-expect-any-te ars-and-I-might-make-a-few-smartass-remarks-while-smirking-to-myself-s o-it-doesn't-feel-like-I'm-really-celebrating-their-death justification. She was horrible. Her policies hurt people. Her actions led to suffering and death. I won't apologize for getting some sense of satisfaction that she is no longer here.
2013-04-08 11:47:05 AM
1 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: Only woman to be Prime Minister
Conservative
Take that, progs (war on women my ass)
BTW - how's your economy now v. when Maggie was in office?


I lol'd. You took an elected official in a separate country with different politics and equated it with the Republican teabaggers of America. Vote Republican!
2013-04-08 11:40:58 AM
1 votes:

FarkedOver: The company I work for contributes to my 401k. I have zero deducted from my pay check.


Ishmael: No way. Uh-huh. There's no way I can bet. It's against my religion. I was raised to *not* be a gambler. There's no way I'm going to bet.


Roy: Hey, hey, Ish. Ish! *Ish*!


Ishmael: No. No! *No* way!


Roy: Hey! Listen, you stupid banana head! You don't have to bet. I'll bet for you.


Ishmael: Oh, that's cool.
2013-04-08 11:34:24 AM
1 votes:

Bungles: I'm not sure Americans understand quite how utterly despised Thatcher was towards the end, after the Poll Tax.

The fact the first reports in the UK generally use the words "divisive" and "loathed" by the second sentence tells you something.

She hasn't had the Regan hagiography make-over for anyone bar a very small clique of elderly white men.


It is the nature of historians to take another look at a towering figure through the rear view mirror and decide whether the words of their supporters in their time were accurate.

On balance, we look back now at the likes of a John F. Kennedy and the luster of his Presidency is a lot more tarnished than it once was.  On balance he was still an extremely positive influence on American history, but would he rate inclusion on some second version of Mt. Rushmore?  Perhaps not.

Similarly with Ronald Reagan, who was a much loved figure in his time--irregardless of what Leftists in this country want to portray. Reagan had his flaws and occasional failings, though I think that history looks back on him now as on balance being what the country needed.  Same with Thatcher really.  Poll tax aside, her opposition to the EU was ultimately her downfall.  I think we can look back now and see that her misgivings about it were well founded.

You didn't have to agree with everything that Thatcher or Reagan did (and I did not...James Watt for example was a disaster as Secretary of the Interior and even Reagan eventually made fun of him), but if you are being intellectually honest, you have to admit they had the best interests of their respective nations at heart.  I wish I could say that of our leadership now.
2013-04-08 11:31:23 AM
1 votes:
Those were the days
www.suprmchaos.com
2013-04-08 11:24:55 AM
1 votes:

Carousel Beast: GoldSpider: I expect this thread will contain the usual amounts of dignity and respect for the recently departed.

HotWingConspiracy: At least her spiritual successor is still here to guide us.

[austinisafecker.files.wordpress.com image 550x282]

Jackson Herring: What a shiat she was.

Right again.

Yeah, this is where the left-wingers call anyone who disagrees with them else divisive and vile.

/Hypocrisy at its finest


No, left-wingers call people divisive and vile because of the person's actions, not who they were. Attacking a Peterson for who they are is more commonly a conservative tactic because that's all they have left.
2013-04-08 11:20:47 AM
1 votes:
3.bp.blogspot.com
2013-04-08 11:18:18 AM
1 votes:
Brezhnev took Afghanistan.
Begin took Beirut.
Galtieri took the Union Jack.
And Maggie, over lunch one day,
Took a cruiser with all hands.
Apparently, to make him give it back
2013-04-08 11:11:03 AM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: FarkedOver: I begrudge anyone who actively seeks to exploit and dominate others for accumulating wealth as some sort of fetish.

I think there are far fewer such people than you believe, wealth disparity notwithstanding.  We might have some agreements on that subject, though our methods for correcting it are vastly different, I imagine.


Sure.  But its laughable to vilify someone (not saying you in particular) on the left for having things and a retirement account.  I'm sorry I have a blender? I'm sorry when I am old and feeble I don't want to live on the street eating cat food.... you have to play the hand you're dealt sadly.  All I can do is campaign for a change to the way things are.
2013-04-08 11:10:18 AM
1 votes:
CNN ray this as her obit picture:

pbs.twimg.com

/This is what happens when you get rid of your investigative reporters and fact checkers
//Unless it was intentional, then bravo to whoever managed this
///Dead paedo on the left, for you Americans
2013-04-08 11:08:23 AM
1 votes:

Civil_War2_Time: FlashHarry: m1ke: Damn, you libs really hate her.  She must have been doing something right!

libs ended slavery. are you pro slavery?

On Fark, the lack of caps to start sentences means 100% guaranteed troll attempt. Weaver started it, and it's now spread like wildfire.


e. e. cummings started it.

/pity this busy monster, trollunkind
2013-04-08 11:07:13 AM
1 votes:
I'm not sure Americans understand quite how utterly despised Thatcher was towards the end, after the Poll Tax.

The fact the first reports in the UK generally use the words "divisive" and "loathed" by the second sentence tells you something.

She hasn't had the Regan hagiography make-over for anyone bar a very small clique of elderly white men.
2013-04-08 10:59:08 AM
1 votes:

BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.

Thank you for making my point.

How can his point be valid if he's not living it?


Just because someone doesn't practice what they preach does not automatically invalidate what they preach.
2013-04-08 10:54:27 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-04-08 10:49:35 AM
1 votes:

beta_plus: The UK Pre-Thatcher:

The UK Post-Thatcher

You lost libs and Labor.  Get over it.


London was the pre-eminent European centre for financial services before and after Thatcher but her policies did, in part, create that skyline and the bubble that blew up there, but not before they'd created another bubble in the City.

The development at Canary Wharf arose from the need to accomodate large numbers of computer terminals as electronic trading replaced traditional trading floors as well as the deregulation which permitted banks to operate outside the City. This initially led to a property boom, with vast valuations placed on the 'new' land freed up (courtesy of government money) at Canary Wharf.

Many of the buildings in the City which accomodated those trading floors lay empty for years after the move to Canary Wharf and the associated collapse in property values eventually knocked over Olympia and York Canary Wharf Limited. Some of them, such as the NatWest Tower (Tower 42) and Old Billingsgate Market, remain underutilised and state subsidised to this day.

Incidentally, I'm a top rate tax payer and I spend much of the week sitting in one of those buildings. Objectively I'm better off under the Tories. Shame about the rest of the country...
2013-04-08 10:49:17 AM
1 votes:

muck4doo: Challenge ran again. Where did I ever laugh at Kennedy dieing or any popular lib. Go ahead, find it. Some of you act so disgusting in pretend of what has happened before.


You're expressing disgust at libs. That suggests you think conservatives don't do it. So it's not a matter of finding something YOU said, but if there's a number of such dancing on graves of liberals. (Obviously, one or two comments wouldn't be enough.)

Let's pick one. Name a liberal politician who died recently and warranted a thread on fark. Let us see if there were conservatives crowing. If there were, you should amend your complaint to people in general who do this, not just level your ire at liberals while ignoring conservatives who do the same thing.

/I had a drink when Osama got nailed
//I'll have a drink when Castro finally gets to meet his maker
2013-04-08 10:47:20 AM
1 votes:
2013-04-08 10:41:22 AM
1 votes:

Marine1: Like her or not, she helped precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union, which was far more evil than any of her policies. Rest in peace.


Well no. I was also alive during that time, and therefore, I had as much to do with the downfall of the Soviet Union as she or Reagan did.

No one brought down the Soviets. They did it to themselves. Their system simply.stopped.working.
Ehh
2013-04-08 10:41:13 AM
1 votes:

FarkinNortherner: Even if you applauded her policies, even if you think that the miners' strike had to be broken by any means, even if you think privatisation is the only appropriate response to the use of state assets, there's still this:

[news.bbc.co.uk image 300x180]

Margaret Thatcher with Augusto Pinochet, in 1999. Google 'DINA' if you don't know anything about Pinochet's time in government and/or you want to spend the day feeling nauseated.


This. Nobody made her shake hands with that butcher.
2013-04-08 10:39:51 AM
1 votes:
beta_plus:
What is "using passive aggressive questions to hides one liberal butt hurt at being thoroughly schooled by others who you impotently and falsely accuse of logical fallacies, Alex?"

Answer:  Typical Fark Lib


JEOPARDY DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY
i.imgur.com
2013-04-08 10:33:59 AM
1 votes:

beta_plus: Epoch_Zero: beta_plus: The UK Pre-Thatcher:

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]

The UK Post-Thatcher:

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]

You lost libs and Labor.  Get over it.

/does NHS cover butt hurt?

What is "The result of a world war bombing the shiat out of everything and only leaving room for improvement, Alex?"

What is "using passive aggressive questions to hides one liberal butt hurt at being thoroughly schooled by others who you impotently and falsely accuse of logical fallacies, Alex?"

Answer:  Typical Fark Lib


Your answer wasn't in the form of a question.  You lose.
2013-04-08 10:33:06 AM
1 votes:
Prime Minister David Cameron was asked how he learned of the death of Margaret Thacher.
He replied, "The smell never changed but the riots suddenly stopped."
2013-04-08 10:29:56 AM
1 votes:

The_Sponge: FarkedOver: The_Sponge: And I'm sorry that the profit motive frightens you.

It doesn't frighten me.  I just recognize it as inherently exploitative.

So if I start a business, my goal should be to break even, not make a profit?


Already been done and works quite fine.
2013-04-08 10:26:07 AM
1 votes:

muck4doo: No one gets into office with the goal of making the world a worse place.



Right.  Some get into office with the goal of making the world a better place.  For a very small minority.  At the cost of others.  Please see the first word of this paragraph if you need help figuring out what types do this.
2013-04-08 10:25:18 AM
1 votes:

Marine1: Halli: Marine1: VonEvilstein: Marine1: VonEvilstein: Marine1: Like her or not, she helped precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union, which was far more evil than any of her policies. Rest in peace.

I don't recall the USSR being particularly evil towards the British populace, you know, the people that old harridan was meant to be representing...

Oh please. They had ICBMs trained on London.

Don't recall them ever launching any of them...

Yeah. Because people like Thatcher and Reagan gave them good reason not to.

Nuclear weapons already in their arsenal for several decades?

Yeah. That they could have launched at any time.


You're right, the US and UK were history's greatest monsters for threatening the people of Russia with nuclear annihilation.  oh wait, you didn't mean for that argument to cut both ways?

/iron lady made cheap steel
2013-04-08 10:24:38 AM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: Psylence: Not exactly productive, but likely cathartic to people directly affected by her policies with poor impulse control.

I very much doubt that there are more than a handful of people on Fark who have been directly affected by her policies.  This is ideological hatred, pure and simple.


Considering the majority of farkers are either from north america (still suffering from reaganomics) or the uk (still getting over the 80's thatcher drearies), it is entirely possible that the great majority of farkers were and still are directly effected by her policies and indirectly effected by her influence on st. reagan (may urine and saliva be upon him).
2013-04-08 10:24:09 AM
1 votes:

Epoch_Zero: beta_plus: The UK Pre-Thatcher:

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]

The UK Post-Thatcher:

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]

You lost libs and Labor.  Get over it.

/does NHS cover butt hurt?

What is "The result of a world war bombing the shiat out of everything and only leaving room for improvement, Alex?"


Plus, noticed that corporatized skyline?

Cue announcer voice: This downtown has been brought to you by the very people who crashed the world economy, helped stagnate wages, and decrease your benefits!
2013-04-08 10:17:35 AM
1 votes:
pbs.twimg.com
2013-04-08 10:12:06 AM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: Psylence: Is this why there's been less retardation lately? All the kiddies ran off to reddit? And here I thought it was my gigantic ignore list making this place more pleasant.

It's always safer where your worldview is never challenged.


Ignore list is for people whose sole contribution is spewing infantile insults. Use the word "libtard" non-ironically? Goodbye. That sort of shiat isn't challenging anything, and sadly most of the right leaning folks on this site are at that level or below.
2013-04-08 10:07:22 AM
1 votes:

dwrash: Love her or hate her, she had the courage to go her own way and did't give a rats ass whether her party was coming along with her.

She is the embodyment of the kind of politician we need today.. instead we get the weak knee'd wusses that cave to even a small amount of public pressure.


Uh huh. I sure want a leader that does whatever they want regardless of public opinion.
upload.wikimedia.org
2013-04-08 10:07:04 AM
1 votes:

Psylence: Is this why there's been less retardation lately? All the kiddies ran off to reddit? And here I thought it was my gigantic ignore list making this place more pleasant.


It's always safer where your worldview is never challenged.
2013-04-08 10:05:21 AM
1 votes:
Love her or hate her, she had the courage to go her own way and did't give a rats ass whether her party was coming along with her.

She is the embodyment of the kind of politician we need today.. instead we get the weak knee'd wusses that cave to even a small amount of public pressure.
2013-04-08 10:03:44 AM
1 votes:

HoustonNick: None of us, including me, has done more good for freedom and fighting tyranny than her.  RIP Ms. Thatcher.


Don't you mean more for tyranny and fighting freedom?
2013-04-08 10:03:00 AM
1 votes:

NateGrey:


Isn't it the opposite today? Watching the petulant rage from the left as I sip my coffee is giving me quite kick at work this morning.

Not that I like Thatcher. I don't care either for her either way.


media.tumblr.com
2013-04-08 09:58:56 AM
1 votes:
Her name was an anagram for "that great charmer." I know, because that was the Final Jeopardy question I got wrong when I appeared on the program. Just one more thing I hold against Margaret Thatcher.
2013-04-08 09:58:40 AM
1 votes:
Too bad the IRA didn't finish her off in the 80s.
2013-04-08 09:57:01 AM
1 votes:
Yay, let's go kill a bunch of Argentinians for a bunch of farking rocks.
2013-04-08 09:56:51 AM
1 votes:

remus: Wow, there's no hate like liberal hate I guess.  Way to show how classy you are libs!


Nothing wrong with hating a class enemy.
2013-04-08 09:55:05 AM
1 votes:

radiofreewill: Anyone care to wager on whether the Tories will try to hold a snap election to take advantage of Thatcher sympathy and rid themselves of the need for an alliance with the LibDems?


Not a chance. Thatcher is too divisive for the Tories to gain political ground amongst the wavering middle. It's also becoming increasingly obvious that Osborne couldn't find his own arse with two hands and a map, which wouldn't do them any favours at the polls. Well worth keeping an eye out for what unpopular press and policy releases come out in the next few days, while nobody's looking, though.
2013-04-08 09:53:46 AM
1 votes:

The_Sponge: Oooooh.... You're so cool and edgy. I bet you're a socialist because you never accomplished anything, and you think the world owes you a living. In other words, grow up.


The world belongs to the workers my friend.  I don't consider myself cool and/or edgy.  But hey, you know what is cool and edgy? Letting prisoners in N. Ireland die because of the terrible conditions they were forced to endure.  Real edgy and real cool!!
2013-04-08 09:49:14 AM
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: To the cosmos, ma'am.  I didn't agree with your politics, but at least you showed women could be just as ruthless and scurrilous as the men.


She single-handedly proved the, "if women were in charge, there would be no wars," to be the bullshiat it is.
2013-04-08 09:45:49 AM
1 votes:

The_Sponge: FarkedOver: The_Sponge: FarkedOver: The_Sponge: FarkedOver: muck4doo: FarkedOver: The only thing truly sad about this is that she didn't die sooner.  Rot in hell you fark.

I'm done. Fark libs, celibrate.

HA! I'm not a liberal.  Liberals probably mourn her loss as well.  I'm a socialist.  I hope Maggie is greeted by her buddy Pinochet at the gates of hell.  This woman deserves no respect and no ounce of sympathy for the war she waged on working people.

I can't wait for people like you to get all huffy puffy when people like me will celebrate Castro's death.

We already saw "compassionate conservatism" when Chavez died.  So spare me your bullshiat.

Call me crazy, but if somebody hates America, I will hate him right back.

I would to if America actively supported a coup against me.  America sucks in MANY different ways and for many different reasons.

/yes i am american
//fark america.

Then please leave.


Nope, I'd rather stay here in the belly of the beast and fight for change.  Thanks any way though.
2013-04-08 09:45:31 AM
1 votes:

The_Sponge: FarkedOver: The_Sponge: FarkedOver: muck4doo: FarkedOver: The only thing truly sad about this is that she didn't die sooner.  Rot in hell you fark.

I'm done. Fark libs, celibrate.

HA! I'm not a liberal.  Liberals probably mourn her loss as well.  I'm a socialist.  I hope Maggie is greeted by her buddy Pinochet at the gates of hell.  This woman deserves no respect and no ounce of sympathy for the war she waged on working people.

I can't wait for people like you to get all huffy puffy when people like me will celebrate Castro's death.

We already saw "compassionate conservatism" when Chavez died.  So spare me your bullshiat.

Call me crazy, but if somebody hates America, I will hate him right back.


That is a genuinely crazy viewpoint to hold. You're crazy.
2013-04-08 09:44:42 AM
1 votes:
muck4doo:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Does demonizing an opponent really make your world more just and helpful? Do people really believe that their way is the only way, and everyone who disagrees with them are just trying to hurt the world? It sure seems like it on Fark. I understand where the left is coming from. I understand where the right is coming from. There are no perfect solutions, just knowing when to balance things at the right time. People who demonize Thatcher and Reagan make me sick. People who demonize Ted Kennedy and Obama make me sick. No one gets into office with the goal of making the world a worse place. Why don't some of you try having some class sometime? We all have seen what happens when nations all agree on one ideology and think it their fate to spread it on everyone else.

History is rather clear about the actions of Ms. Thatcher and the tremendous harm they caused on others, her knowledge that her actions would harm others, and her absolute callousness and indifference about the harm that her actions would cause others.

If, in addition to the purported moral high ground you are taking today, you also spent your time chiding others for celebrating Quadaffi's death, then I applaud your consistency. I, however, am just fine with feeling joy when a monster leaves this world, be it Quadaffi, bin Laden, Kim Jong ill, Pinochet, or Thatcher (among others).

Being critical of someone's actions (and the massive harm they caused) is not the same as wanting to spread the Third Reich, Communism, or the Caliphate.
2013-04-08 09:43:33 AM
1 votes:

ChuDogg: Is this Reagan redux?


She's Britain's Reagan. And worked just as hard as he did to fellate the rich. It's a reason they were such good friends - both shared the dementia and hatred for common people. Why do you think she forced herself to change her accent?
2013-04-08 09:42:41 AM
1 votes:

phaseolus: My condolences to her family and all, but ...

WTF is it with conservatives and their damned hero worship??!? She wasn't Jesus with lady parts.


I agree, I don't get that either. But I also don't get the whole "rot in hell" sentiment. She was a conservative politician and as such she did what conservatives at the time would do. She is neither an angel nor a devil, she was just a human, and one who had a rather interesting life.
2013-04-08 09:42:18 AM
1 votes:

keylock71: Heh... Gerry Adams' statement on her death:

Margaret Thatcher did great hurt to the Irish and British people during her time as British Prime Minister.
Working class communities were devastated in Britain because of her policies.
Her role in international affairs was equally belligerent whether in support of the Chilean dictator Pinochet, her opposition to sanctions against apartheid South Africa; and her support for the Khmer Rouge.
Here in Ireland her espousal of old draconian militaristic policies prolonged the war and caused great suffering. She embraced censorship, collusion and the killing of citizens by covert operations, including the targeting of solicitors like Pat Finucane, alongside more open military operations and refused to recognise the rights of citizens to vote for parties of their choice.
Her failed efforts to criminalise the republican struggle and the political prisoners is part of her legacy.
It should be noted that in complete contradiction of her public posturing, she authorised a back channel of communications with the Sinn Féin leadership but failed to act on the logic of this.
Unfortunately she was faced with weak Irish governments who failed to oppose her securocrat agenda or to enlist international support in defence of citizens in the north.
Margaret Thatcher will be especially remembered for her shameful role during the epic hunger strikes of 1980 and '81.
Her Irish policy failed miserably.

Ought to ruffle a few feathers.


fark Gerry Adams too. He deserves as much criticism as Thatcher.
2013-04-08 09:41:18 AM
1 votes:
Ronald Reagan: check!
Margaret Thatcher: check!
George HW Bush: meh
George W Bush: *sigh*
Vladimit Putin: *grumble*
Rush Limbaugh: *shakes fist*
Dick Cheney: *throws TV into wall*

/Seriously, when Dick Cheney dies I am going to throw a party.
2013-04-08 09:40:27 AM
1 votes:

The_Sponge: FarkedOver: muck4doo: FarkedOver: The only thing truly sad about this is that she didn't die sooner.  Rot in hell you fark.

I'm done. Fark libs, celibrate.

HA! I'm not a liberal.  Liberals probably mourn her loss as well.  I'm a socialist.  I hope Maggie is greeted by her buddy Pinochet at the gates of hell.  This woman deserves no respect and no ounce of sympathy for the war she waged on working people.

I can't wait for people like you to get all huffy puffy when people like me will celebrate Castro's death.


I bet you are still hung over from your Chavez party.
2013-04-08 09:36:46 AM
1 votes:
Obligatory Pete Wylie

Sorry if posted already, but a great dance on the grave song, bears repeating
2013-04-08 09:35:08 AM
1 votes:
The Daily Mail comments are fun. There's one relatively balanced reply in the top ten, but it does contain this gem:

Leftists should note - allowing council tenants to buy their homes was manna from heaven and was enthusiastically embraced by them despite what you think or say.

Nobody thinks that allowing council tenants to buy their own homes was bad for those particular tenants. It's the catastrophic effect on society that was the problem, removing low-income housing where it was most needed and leaving only the least desirable residences to an irrevocable spiral of decay and deprivation, but, "you know, there is no such thing as society."
2013-04-08 09:33:55 AM
1 votes:
My condolences to her family and all, but ...

WTF is it with conservatives and their damned hero worship??!? She wasn't Jesus with lady parts.
2013-04-08 09:33:52 AM
1 votes:

Civil_War2_Time: Kome

Civil_War2_Time: There's no hate like liberal hate!

Because unlike conservative hate, it's usually justified...

Be honest. That's what you were really trying to say, wasn't it?


Well, based on the words that immediately follow where you cut my post off, yes. For something to be justified, well, it needs to have good reasons. The part of my post you cut off are the reasons.

By the way, I said all that AS A CONSERVATIVE who is just sick and f*cking tired of what conservatism has become. "Oh, you're poor? You must be stupid so we're going to take away food for your children and prevent you from getting medical care." "Oh, you're gay? You're a horrible thing that shouldn't even be considered human. How dare you want to be treated as equal." "Oh, you're a woman? You deserve to be raped. Legitimately." F*ck modern day conservatism and what it's done to... well... everyone who wasn't born a male WASP with a silver spoon in their mouths.
2013-04-08 09:31:14 AM
1 votes:
The only thing truly sad about this is that she didn't die sooner.  Rot in hell you fark.
2013-04-08 09:30:15 AM
1 votes:
For once that coont did something I agree with!
2013-04-08 09:25:29 AM
1 votes:
Is this the thread where Gen Y American hipsters who weren't even alive in the 80's talk about Margaret Thatcher based on what other people are saying about Margaret Thatcher?
2013-04-08 09:23:47 AM
1 votes:
...And the sun rose on a better world.
2013-04-08 09:21:39 AM
1 votes:

DeArmondVI: Halli: muck4doo: doyner: muck4doo: Stay classy libs.

Yeah.  April 8, 2013: The day the moral high ground was ceded.

You never had moral high ground. That's why most people don't like you. Wanting to help the world but demonizing everyone who disagrees with your ways and means, then laughing when they die isn't a way to win hearts and minds.

Aww someone wants attention today. You are trying so hard in this thread.

The real attention whores are celebrating this woman's death. I'm saying it isn't right. Since when is saying act like a decent human being the act of an attention whore?

Because I'm sure not a single conservative expressed joy at Chavez's cancer and death. I was just fine doing a jig when bin Laden got killed and I'm just fine doing another now.


I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Does demonizing an opponent really make your world more just and helpful? Do people really believe that their way is the only way, and everyone who disagrees with them are just trying to hurt the world? It sure seems like it on Fark. I understand where the left is coming from. I understand where the right is coming from. There are no perfect solutions, just knowing when to balance things at the right time. People who demonize Thatcher and Reagan make me sick. People who demonize Ted Kennedy and Obama make me sick. No one gets into office with the goal of making the world a worse place. Why don't some of you try having some class sometime? We all have seen what happens when nations all agree on one ideology and think it their fate to spread it on everyone else.
2013-04-08 09:18:47 AM
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Libderp ludicrous speed!


Those silly libs - favoring sanctions against South Africa for apartheid...wanting Augusto Pinochet tried for crimes against humanity...
2013-04-08 09:16:47 AM
1 votes:

Crude: Off to reddit! EABOD!


So you can be downvoted into oblivion by 19 year old college liberals?
2013-04-08 09:16:27 AM
1 votes:

Civil_War2_Time: There's no hate like liberal hate!


Because unlike conservative hate, it's usually justified by a person's actions and not the gender of the person they're in love with or the color of their skin.
2013-04-08 09:16:22 AM
1 votes:
To hell with respect for the dead. I reckon she's worth about 10 minutes of heartfelt grieving before the celebrations start. There will be fireworks tonight - I know people who have been saving them up for just this occasion. Heinous biatch. I hope they bury her head down so she can't crawl out of her hole and terrorise us any more. Good riddance you hag.
2013-04-08 09:16:14 AM
1 votes:
As an American who suffered through Reagan's death a few years back, I feel for you Brits. The next week will be filled with sanctimonious rubes praising her "toughness" and how she saved the world from the commies.
2013-04-08 09:15:59 AM
1 votes:
Wow....too many bitter assholes in this thread.
2013-04-08 09:14:50 AM
1 votes:
So, uh, where is the message from the Moderator reminding asshole Leftists to keep their comments respectful?


There's a reason why FARK.com is dying, you're just too stupid to figure it out.


Off to reddit! EABOD!
2013-04-08 09:13:06 AM
1 votes:

czetie: A reminder to those naive enough to defend her:

She deliberately provoked a war under false pretenses that cost thousands of lives. (Little known fact: Britain has now lost as many Falklands veterans to suicide as it lost in the fighting itself).

She deliberately drove Britain into recession to destroy the unions and to "prove" her absurd Reaganist economic policies.

She sold off national assets and used the money not for the benefit of the country but to line the pockets of political supporters.

She practiced the politics of authoritarianism, populism, xenophobia, nationalism, and class division.

And as the most powerful woman in politics, she kicked away the ladder for those below her, having fewer women in her cabinets than any prime minister in modern history.

Oh, and long before she became prime minister, her defining act in government was to take away the glass of free milk that was provided to every primary school child in order to ensure that even the poorest child of the least competent parents was getting a nutritional breakfast (something that science shows is profoundly correlated with good performance and behavior in schools). At the time we derided her as "Thatcher the Snatcher". How little we realized that we had been given a warning glimpse into her true heart.


You left out the part where she exacerbated the war in Ireland and allowed political prisoners & prisoners of war to die in hunger strikes rather than follow the Geneva Convention.
2013-04-08 09:11:54 AM
1 votes:

Marine1: Free Radical: Marine1:

Yeah. Because people like Thatcher and Reagan gave them good reason not to.

Ahhh the testosterone-filled fantasies of a conservative.

You do realize that the same exact thing could be said about the USSR right? Because of their leaders, Reagan and Thatcher were too afraid to launch their nukes.

Except they're the ones who collapsed. Other than that... you're dead-on right.

It was a "Cold War", and yes, the Soviet Union lost. Why? Because Western leaders (including, yes, Margaret Thatcher) enacted policies to put the Soviet Union at a disadvantage.


You're right.. they outspent the Soviets in the arms race.. that's some noble politicking there, Lou.
...And old Gorbachev had nothing to do with it .. I mean it's not like the Soviet Union could have struggled on and got into more of an economic mess thereby cultivating further extremist politics making the world a more dangerous place *koff* North Korea *koff*
2013-04-08 09:05:36 AM
1 votes:
Evil people do seem to live longer, don't they? .. Driven by bitterness I'd guess
2013-04-08 09:05:15 AM
1 votes:

Lord Summerisle: Yeah, thanks for destroying the social fabric of this country, selling off the vast state assets owned by the taxpayer to your big-business donors, destroying manufacturing industry and cosseting the banking mafia, sending London pigs to club striking miners in my town, encouraging greed and selfishness. Saved by a convenient war.


THIS.
2013-04-08 09:02:23 AM
1 votes:
Kudos to submitter on the headline.  Well played.

*golf clap*
2013-04-08 09:01:07 AM
1 votes:

swahnhennessy: whereas the second verse indirectly refers to conservative politician Margaret Thatcher,


You farked up old hag, ha ha, charade you are
You radiate cold shafts of broken glass
You're nearly a good laugh
Almost worth a quick grin
You like the feel of steel
You're hot stuff with a hat pin
And good fun with a hand gun
You're nearly a laugh
You're nearly a laugh
But you're really a cry.

Sounds like Thatcher to me.
2013-04-08 08:59:24 AM
1 votes:

Norfolking Chance: People are making it look like Britain was a paradise before Thatcher was elected.

Britain was in a massive farking hole at the time and she was just as extreme as the Union leaders.


No! You don't understand! Clearly the current global economic mess is purely the result of Thatchers policies!

If only Britain had ceded all legislative authority to Brussels and let the unions run the country, we'd be in a paradise!
2013-04-08 08:55:10 AM
1 votes:
Please let Rupert Murdoch be next.
2013-04-08 08:53:51 AM
1 votes:
czetie:Oh, and long before she became prime minister, her defining act in government was to take away the glass of free milk that was provided to every primary school child in order to ensure that even the poorest child of the least competent parents was getting a nutritional breakfast (something that science shows is profoundly correlated with good performance and behavior in schools). At the time we derided her as "Thatcher the Snatcher". How little we realized that we had been given a warning glimpse into her true heart.

As someone who was forced to drink a carton of milk every morning despite it making me feel sick every single day this is the one thing she did right!

/ Now diagnosed mildly lactose intolerant
// School grades went up when they stopped poisoning my daily!
2013-04-08 08:53:40 AM
1 votes:
Haliburton Cummings:yeah. that's about Mary Whitehouse, not Thatcher...

/dumbass


From your link:

According to one interpretation, the first verse's "pig man" refers to business n general (but see Dogs), , whereas the second verse indirectly refers to conservative politician Margaret Thatcher, leader of the opposition at that time.
2013-04-08 08:53:28 AM
1 votes:

muck4doo: doyner: muck4doo: Stay classy libs.

Yeah.  April 8, 2013: The day the moral high ground was ceded.

You never had moral high ground. That's why most people don't like you. Wanting to help the world but demonizing everyone who disagrees with your ways and means, then laughing when they die isn't a way to win hearts and minds.


Wow.  Good job alienating someone who was agreeing with you.
2013-04-08 08:52:33 AM
1 votes:

Slaxl: You won't see this kind of spite and venom when Blair dies


Why, is somebody coming to poke my eyes out?
2013-04-08 08:52:16 AM
1 votes:

doyner: muck4doo: Stay classy libs.

Yeah.  April 8, 2013: The day the moral high ground was ceded.


You never had moral high ground. That's why most people don't like you. Wanting to help the world but demonizing everyone who disagrees with your ways and means, then laughing when they die isn't a way to win hearts and minds.
2013-04-08 08:51:08 AM
1 votes:
People are making it look like Britain was a paradise before Thatcher was elected.

Britain was in a massive farking hole at the time and she was just as extreme as the Union leaders.
2013-04-08 08:49:06 AM
1 votes:
None of us, including me, has done more good for freedom and fighting tyranny than her.  RIP Ms. Thatcher.


Shame on you to all who express joy over the death of any human being.
2013-04-08 08:48:39 AM
1 votes:

muck4doo: Stay classy libs.


Yeah.  April 8, 2013: The day the moral high ground was ceded.
2013-04-08 08:47:48 AM
1 votes:
Party time for England now that the lizard queen puppet meister has finally croaked. Ahhhhhhhh. a joyous day indeed!
2013-04-08 08:47:26 AM
1 votes:

Marine1: VonEvilstein: Marine1: VonEvilstein: Marine1: Like her or not, she helped precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union, which was far more evil than any of her policies. Rest in peace.

I don't recall the USSR being particularly evil towards the British populace, you know, the people that old harridan was meant to be representing...

Oh please. They had ICBMs trained on London.

Don't recall them ever launching any of them...

Yeah. Because people like Thatcher and Reagan gave them good reason not to.


It was Carter that moved a bunch of medium range missiles to Europe which scared the crap out of the Soviets.
2013-04-08 08:47:11 AM
1 votes:
RIP Mrs Thatcher

There are too few of your ilk, and I fear for our children's future because of that void.
2013-04-08 08:46:32 AM
1 votes:
Sic semper tyrannis
2013-04-08 08:45:38 AM
1 votes:
I won't celebrate the death of another human being, but I certainly won't mourn her or the policies she represented.
2013-04-08 08:44:57 AM
1 votes:
Ah, the only true justice: age.

The old crazy bastard of a woman that she was finally got her due justice.

May she go down forever as being known as the primary reason for UK political problems for the last 30 years, and may her family receive all the spite that she earned plus interest.
2013-04-08 08:44:03 AM
1 votes:
She probably would have reached 100 if she'd drunk more milk.
2013-04-08 08:43:26 AM
1 votes:

MyKingdomForYourHorse: markfara: And with Putin and the like still in charge, it's kind of hard to make the case the the Soviet Union really "fell" very hard.

They are no where near the global player they once used to be and lack total exerted control over many of their border nation states.

I'd say that's pretty much the definition of fallen.


Except for that time they beat the f*ck out of Georgia because they could. Or the time when they beat the f*ck out of the Chechens. Or when they threaten to shut off the gas lines when any former Soviet satellite b*tches about Gazprom's rates. Or when Belarus is happily acting as Putin's pet.

Russia wields plenty of power still in Eastern Europe and Asia. It's mainly soft power now. Putin is smarter than the Commies. He gave up that whole revolution bullsh*t, and realized what matters to people is money, plain and simple. So he's set himself up to control the money.
2013-04-08 08:40:49 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

How I will always remember her.
2013-04-08 08:40:00 AM
1 votes:
Well...Bye.jpeg

What a piece of excremental hideous evil poison she was.
2013-04-08 08:37:43 AM
1 votes:
Ding ♫ dong ♫ the witch is dead!! ♪

http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/ now with added YES!

Also contains a link to a Spotify playlist for those who are celebrating
2013-04-08 08:35:06 AM
1 votes:

digistil: Norfolking Chance: digistil: Cameron has announced she's getting a funeral of the level a king or queen.

No, it will be at the level of a Princess.

Blair would get the same when he finally pays for his shiat as well

Watching BBC right now and they've reported otherwise.


From the BBC

Breaking NewsDowning Street says Lady Thatcher will be accorded the same status of funeral as the Queen Mother and Princess Diana, but will not lie in state, in accordance with her own wishes.

So the same as Dianna or the Queen Mother and not a King or Queen
2013-04-08 08:34:57 AM
1 votes:
I find it ironic that punk died years before Maggie did.

/Maggie! Maggie, you coont!
2013-04-08 08:33:55 AM
1 votes:
My wife and I were just getting out of a movie (I don't remember which one) when we walked past a poster for Iron Lady.  I made an offhand comment that it was basically Iron Man, but with a girl.  My wife did not know that Margaret Thatcher was known as the iron lady, so we went to see Iron Lady.  To my wife's credit she didn't complain at all during the movie.  She said she figured out that it wasn't about a girl Iron Man about 2 minutes in.  She did say that, in the future, she would look up any movies I wanted to see that she didn't already know about.

This was the poster.

collider.com
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2013-04-08 08:30:53 AM
1 votes:
ichef.bbci.co.uk

My favorite song lyrics about Margaret Thatcher, from Julian Cope.

"Now's a time of leper skin
How it ends, how it begins
Now's a time when patience flies
The fare-the-well that means fark OFF."

I hope we get the celebration over quickly because it makes me sick.
2013-04-08 08:30:25 AM
1 votes:

digistil: Cameron has announced she's getting a funeral of the level a king or queen.


No, it will be at the level of a Princess.

Blair would get the same when he finally pays for his shiat as well
2013-04-08 08:30:00 AM
1 votes:
2013-04-08 08:29:50 AM
1 votes:
Eh... Whatever. Strangers die every day.

Felt the same way about her I felt about Reagan. Just another plutocratic asshole, who didn't give a shiat about people like my family and I.
2013-04-08 08:28:53 AM
1 votes:

Marine1: Halli: Marine1: VonEvilstein: Marine1: VonEvilstein: Marine1: Like her or not, she helped precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union, which was far more evil than any of her policies. Rest in peace.

I don't recall the USSR being particularly evil towards the British populace, you know, the people that old harridan was meant to be representing...

Oh please. They had ICBMs trained on London.

Don't recall them ever launching any of them...

Yeah. Because people like Thatcher and Reagan gave them good reason not to.

Nuclear weapons already in their arsenal for several decades?

Yeah. That they could have launched at any time.


Man good thing the Soviet Union didn't exist before the 80's then.
2013-04-08 08:28:07 AM
1 votes:
Someone wants attention.
2013-04-08 08:28:06 AM
1 votes:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: But again, Thatcher had nothing to do with it, her actions did nothing to hasten their fall. They were spending over 1/3 of their GDP on defense, it was completely unsustainable.


Perhaps not directly, but the actions of the many western nations which forced that hand into spending for said defense helped speed things along.

Speaking of spending a third on defense, that sounds familiar for some reason.
2013-04-08 08:28:03 AM
1 votes:
This would be the perfect time to link to Frankie Boyle on Thatcher's Funeral....
2013-04-08 08:27:12 AM
1 votes:

Hagbardr: neversubmit: I'm no expert but...: I imagine there will be more than a few celebrations tonight.

Because she has moved on to a better place?

So, that wouldn't include Leeds or Hull?


Is that where they are going to plant her? I think she should be buried in the Falklands.
2013-04-08 08:26:38 AM
1 votes:
Commies: "If only she would have let us screw up the world just right, we'd be fine right now. No one ever did it right".
2013-04-08 08:26:01 AM
1 votes:

Marine1: VonEvilstein: Marine1: VonEvilstein: Marine1: Like her or not, she helped precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union, which was far more evil than any of her policies. Rest in peace.

I don't recall the USSR being particularly evil towards the British populace, you know, the people that old harridan was meant to be representing...

Oh please. They had ICBMs trained on London.

Don't recall them ever launching any of them...

Yeah. Because people like Thatcher and Reagan gave them good reason not to.


Nuclear weapons already in their arsenal for several decades?
2013-04-08 08:25:10 AM
1 votes:
Commies will be celebrating tonight.
2013-04-08 08:25:01 AM
1 votes:
This coont does not deserve a News Flash.
2013-04-08 08:24:57 AM
1 votes:
Get the champagne out.

Burn, you witch.
2013-04-08 08:24:08 AM
1 votes:

VonEvilstein: Marine1: VonEvilstein: Marine1: Like her or not, she helped precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union, which was far more evil than any of her policies. Rest in peace.

I don't recall the USSR being particularly evil towards the British populace, you know, the people that old harridan was meant to be representing...

Oh please. They had ICBMs trained on London.

Don't recall them ever launching any of them...


Yeah. Because people like Thatcher and Reagan gave them good reason not to.
2013-04-08 08:23:03 AM
1 votes:

MyKingdomForYourHorse: markfara: And with Putin and the like still in charge, it's kind of hard to make the case the the Soviet Union really "fell" very hard.

They are no where near the global player they once used to be and lack total exerted control over many of their border nation states.

I'd say that's pretty much the definition of fallen.


But again, Thatcher had nothing to do with it, her actions did nothing to hasten their fall.  They were spending over 1/3 of their GDP on defense, it was completely unsustainable.
2013-04-08 08:22:50 AM
1 votes:
PAARRTTAAYYY!!
2013-04-08 08:22:32 AM
1 votes:

Marine1: VonEvilstein: Marine1: Like her or not, she helped precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union, which was far more evil than any of her policies. Rest in peace.

I don't recall the USSR being particularly evil towards the British populace, you know, the people that old harridan was meant to be representing...

Oh please. They had ICBMs trained on London.


Don't recall them ever launching any of them...
2013-04-08 08:21:24 AM
1 votes:

markfara: And with Putin and the like still in charge, it's kind of hard to make the case the the Soviet Union really "fell" very hard.


They are no where near the global player they once used to be and lack total exerted control over many of their border nation states.

I'd say that's pretty much the definition of fallen.
2013-04-08 08:21:24 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com


Rot you withered ol' c0o0ont!
2013-04-08 08:21:09 AM
1 votes:

Purple_Jack: http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/


Nice. That would have made a much better headline.  "The Lady's not returning."
2013-04-08 08:20:03 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-04-08 08:19:53 AM
1 votes:
Pour concrete over the casket. You can never be too sure.
2013-04-08 08:19:46 AM
1 votes:
assets.boomkat.com
2013-04-08 08:19:04 AM
1 votes:
www.thoseoldrecords.co.uk
2013-04-08 08:18:16 AM
1 votes:
media.tumblr.com

RIP
2013-04-08 08:18:00 AM
1 votes:
Quite a few pubs in the North and the West Britain will be celebrating tonight, I suspect.
2013-04-08 08:16:08 AM
1 votes:

DubtodaIll: She had quite a life, certainly an exceptional human being.


Yep
2013-04-08 08:14:51 AM
1 votes:
I expect this thread will contain the usual amounts of dignity and respect for the recently departed.

HotWingConspiracy: At least her spiritual successor is still here to guide us.

[austinisafecker.files.wordpress.com image 550x282]


Jackson Herring: What a shiat she was.


Right again.
2013-04-08 08:13:31 AM
1 votes:

greentea1985: I have a feeling very few parts of England will go into mourning, most will be celebrating.


.
2013-04-08 08:12:59 AM
1 votes:
I had a Thatcher boxing puppet many years ago. Whether you agreed with her politics or not, she was a tough lady.
2013-04-08 08:12:30 AM
1 votes:
I'm guessing there will be mixed reactions to her passing.
2013-04-08 08:12:22 AM
1 votes:
Huh. I thought she was already dead.
2013-04-08 08:11:49 AM
1 votes:
I have a feeling some parts of England will go into mourning, and other parts will be celebrating.
2013-04-08 08:09:16 AM
1 votes:
The Tony Blair of the Reagan years.

Bye, now.
2013-04-08 08:08:44 AM
1 votes:
RIP. You were a badass.
 
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