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2013-04-08 07:09:37 PM  
Having kept us with this thread most of the day, I just realized something:

Americans have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to "liberals" and "conservatives".

Liberalism created market capitalism. Adam Smith was a liberal, as were many of the Founding Fatherstm.

Conservatives want to preserve the ideas of the liberals of the past, while the liberals of today want to build upon them.

However, none of that has any bearing on "left-wing" or "right-wing" and today, we have "liberals" who espouse a furthering and humanizing of fundamentally right-wing economic policies (hence why globalization is referred to as "neo-liberal economics") and "conservatives" who want to remain in the past.

In neither instance is there a "left-wing" in those discussions. In the end, it's progressive capitalists arguing with regressive capitalists, and occasionally social policy is thrown in just as a wedge (else both parties realize that they are fundamentally arguing for the same thing).

Thatcher was the worst sort of right-wing authoritarian, and the world is much better off with her out of power. Thankfully that has been for quite some time, and now with her passing we can symbolically move past a time where we could have been far more enlightened.

Merits a reposting
 
2013-04-08 07:10:25 PM  

phritz:

Margaret Thatcher, objectively pro-apartheid: "'The ANC is a typical terrorist organisation ... Anyone who thinks it is going to run the government in South Africa is living in cloud-cuckoo land'"
Well?  Did you see what happened to South Africa when they threw out their white government? She was spot on.
 
2013-04-08 07:13:24 PM  

hillary: Epoch_Zero: muck4doo: So says the idiot who still believes his side is fighting for the people, and thinks he is funny.

What the fark did you just farking say about me, you little biatch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fark out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my farking words. You think you can get away with saying that shiat to me over the Internet? Think again, farker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the  USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're farking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Core and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shiat. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your farking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shiat fury all over you and you will drown in it.

TRANSLATION: He's 20, weighs 300 pounds, stands 5'3", still living at home, is  presently covered with potato chip crumbs, and has a mother constantly screaming at him to get a job.


Say what you want, but that is some epic Poeing.
 
2013-04-08 07:25:05 PM  
I hope someone leaves a glass of milk on her grave every day. Not piss. Just milk. Every damn day.
 
2013-04-08 07:30:10 PM  
She probably should be burried at sea so as to not encourage her followers.
 
2013-04-08 07:30:44 PM  
Or like these flowers of mourning for Diana. Except milk bottles at Thatcher's grave. Milk bottles everywhere.

www.newyorksocialdiary.com
 
2013-04-08 07:59:32 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: 1088. Now imagine the thread if/when Dick Cheney casts off his mortal coil.


"If"?

He's more machine than man now...twisted, and evil.

0.tqn.com
 
2013-04-08 08:09:54 PM  
t1.gstatic.com

RIP Party Crasher, Panty Snatcher
 
2013-04-08 08:44:42 PM  

verbaltoxin: tgambitg: None of them are pure. That's the point. Same with there being no pure Capitalistic ideologies. Pure forms of either will never work, because people get in the way. You can't erase human nature. The fact that you are labeling ideologies proves you don't know what pure Communism even is. There is no party in pure Communism. There is no state in pure Communism. The only way to achieve pure Communism is to remove all greed, corruption, classes, money, structure from society. Communism, at it's heart, is much closer to Anarchism, but with everyone making a conscious effort to work toward a common goal. Human nature doesn't allow for this.

First, my mistake for assuming, but in other threads you heavily indicated otherwise.

Human nature works towards communalism all the time. It's how we form clubs, organizations, churches, groups, teams, families and civilizations. We're inexplicably driven to form groups. We form mobs on a near daily basis. So it's not proper to dismiss Communism as a political association based on the community owning the means of production.


Each of the things you mentioned implies that individuals have free will.  They can join the gym and quit it. They can donate to a charity one year and not donate the next. You get the idea.  Communism doesn't allow for this, thus the two cannot be compared

In a way, we already due, but under capitalism, we let those resources pool upwards to shrinking number of groups and individuals.

If this were the case, then every socialist country on earth would be paraside and every free-market country would be a mad-max hellhole run by philarcs.  Last I checked, if you were born in the USA, South Korea or Japan right this very second, you'd have access to the best technology, medicine, nutrition and education the world has ever known.  I'm still waiting for the day the rich fat guy takes the last dollar on earth and leaves everyone to starve to death - because all I see around me is an economic system that has allowed the world population to explode from 1Bn to 7BN in 100 years.

Think of what the USA invented from 1917-1989.  Put that against what the USSR invented from 1917-1989. Difficulty: cant be weapons/military tech.

If human beings only cared about themselves, we'd have no functioning governments already.

Actually, it was human beings caring about themselves, their families and their property that prompted them to create law and government.  The fact that we are individuals with desires, goals, dreams and wishes and that we want to protect those things from the dick down the street is why we have government in the first place.

We'd already have anarchism because nobody could form a consensus or cooperate.

All it takes for cooperation is for two people to gain something from a transaction, neither of which needs any sort of law or direction since man traded his property and labor long before there were laws.  If you have a fisherman and a tailor who seek to trade, eventually they will come to an agreement since the fisherman needs clothes to wear and the tailor needs to eat.  People found common ground in situations like this long before there were laws, or edicts that all fish are to be shared and all clothes are to be shared

If all we cared about was money, then we'd all live in hellish klepto-states with no respect for human rights.

We dont - we care about other things too - that is why we formed laws to protect ourselves, our family and our property from those who wish to do us harm.  Such ideas are the founding of a libertarian ideology.

Since states such as these have proven to not work (i.e. North Korean, Congo, Somalia, the former regimes of Egypt, Libya), it's clear human beings on the whole don't enjoy that form of existence.

North Korea is the closest thing to what you are suggesting can work. If you removed the royal family and military from the equation, you'd have a 16th century agrarian backwater which might actually do better than what it is currently since the state has traditionally done a horrible job at managing economies, that and they wouldn't need a military since there's nothing to plunder.  Of course, people would die of diseases without latin names and would crudely labor for 18 hours a day.  If you as me though, I'd rather be in South Korea.

Because we don't live in those kinds of societies globally, and we do have countries where resources are redistributed, it's clear we do care about others' wellbeing besides our own. People work together for common goals all the time. That's absurd on its face to claim we don't or are incapable of doi ...

Again, you're confusing charity, which involves free will and communism/socialism which involves force.  You're passionate - I get that.  But you've managed to bridge a rather large chasm in discussing humans associating freely and forming groups, which they do for their own benefit and association by conscription or compulsion.
 
2013-04-08 09:14:45 PM  
I guessed from the way Sean Hannity spoke highly of her today that most of Fark would hate her. I wasn't disappointed.
 
2013-04-08 09:35:04 PM  

Katolu: The Snow Dog: RIP. You were a badass.

You misspelled dumbass.


bad dumbass?
 
2013-04-08 09:54:08 PM  

dwrash: Love her or hate her, she had the courage to go her own way and did't give a rats ass whether her party was coming along with her.

She is the embodyment of the kind of politician we need today.. instead we get the weak knee'd wusses that cave to even a small amount of public pressure.


FAIL. She's the type of politician, the type of person that f*cked things up so badly in the 80's. Reagan f*cked things up as well with the same mindset. That "not giving a rat's ass" is what did it... we need politicians who THINK, not who blindly follow a pre-set program without EVER questioning if that program is right, even when all the evidence shows it isn't.  That's called "being on the wrong side of history".

When the car is heading toward a cliff, "stay the course" is usually a very bad idea... but as you fly off the edge to your death, at least the people who show up at your funeral will be able to say that you "stood by your convictions", right? You didn't believe in gravity! You went your own way!

I don't trust ANYONE who never questions their beliefs.
 
2013-04-08 10:58:42 PM  
Most of the people on the Maggie hate train have no idea why they're going for the ride.
 
2013-04-08 11:03:27 PM  

rewind2846: Reagan f*cked things up as well with the same mindset.


yes, that whole creating 20,000,000 jobs in 8 years thing was an absolute failure.
 
2013-04-08 11:08:23 PM  

Jackson Herring: Thatcher refused to meet the union's demands and compared the miners' dispute to the Falklands conflict two years earlier, declaring in a speech in 1984: "We had to fight the enemy without in the Falklands. We always have to be aware of the enemy within, which is much more difficult to fight and more dangerous to liberty."

What an indescribable shiat she was.


diddo earlier comment
 
2013-04-08 11:16:30 PM  

GoldSpider: vygramul: No one brought down the Soviets. They did it to themselves. Their system simply.stopped.working.

Communism works just fine without outside influences poisoning the well.  Or so I hear.


Communism and its cousin Socialism do work, but only under ideal conditions, the most important of which is the negation of human greed. They depend on the equal or near equal sharing of resources, and work done for the good of all.
Unfortunately greed is hard-wired into the species, and it is only through discipline and a regard for others that we've kept it to a level which has not destroyed us... yet.

Capitalism on the other hand works well with greed. Capitalism cannot exist without greed. It depends on greed, like green plants depend on the sun. Capitalism cannot survive without that one emotion, the one which drives human beings to commit some of the most heinous acts against their fellow beings the world has ever seen. Capitalism rewards all the bad behaviors we as humans exhibit, and does so quite well. Find me very wealthy person, and there will be a very good chance that person is an amoral scumbag.

As the fictional Gordon Gecko said, "Greed Works". As greed does indeed work, so does capitalism.
 
2013-04-08 11:19:41 PM  

o5iiawah: rewind2846: Reagan f*cked things up as well with the same mindset.

yes, that whole creating 20,000,000 jobs in 8 years thing was an absolute failure.


Destroying the mental health care system of the country overwhelms that. Also, I thought the President couldn't create jobs. That's what Mitt Romney said, anyway.
 
2013-04-08 11:33:57 PM  

Snarfangel: lohphat: Pert: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x429]

Haters gonna hate...

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If that happened today, there would be a 150 Photoshop submissions before the tank came to a halt.


I still don't actually *get* that one.  He looks the same to me as Gee Dub in his little flightsuit yet one was "political suicide" and one was "looks totally awesome."  I assume it was something to do with the narrative and the fact that everyone knew he was short, but somehow that never managed to get through my wall of disinterest at the time.
 
2013-04-08 11:34:44 PM  
I bet a quarter Obama only sends a letter, that of course he'll have someone else write, to parliment offering his condolences and won't go to her wake for fear of pissing off muslims
 
2013-04-08 11:45:34 PM  

o5iiawah: rewind2846: Reagan f*cked things up as well with the same mindset.

yes, that whole creating 20,000,000 jobs in 8 years thing was an absolute failure.


Yeah... about that... you might want to check on what kind of jobs were "created" during his term, as well as how many jobs were created during the term of his predecessor... about 213, 417 a month during his first (one) term, compared with only 105,333 a month during the first term of St. Reagan. Unemployment also decreased by 1.4 percent under carter, while only by 1.2 percent in St Reagan's first round.

Most of those jobs were lower wage jobs, as outsourcing was full f*cking speed ahead for manufacturing and other higher wage positions which didn't require a college degree. The results are evident 25 years later. We won't even go into the legacy of homelessness he left behind, or energy dependence to the middle east, his sh*tting on the environment, his desire to privatize social security, and "morning in america" for some that produced a nightmare for others.

Also - "When President Carter entered office, the unemployment rate was 8.3% and was still high at 6.9% by the end of his term.  By the end of Reagan's second term, the unemployment rate had dropped to a relatively low 5%."

In Carter's four years, the unemployment rate dropped a full 1.4%. It took eight years of St. Reagan to get it down another 1.9%.

I spent my 20's there, and it was f*cked up. He's the main reason why I and so many of my friends joined the military, because there were no jobs anywhere else. Took me years to figure out (as it would be with later republican administrations) that this was no accident.
 
2013-04-08 11:45:47 PM  

BMulligan:

Her name was an anagram for "that great charmer." I know, because that was the Final Jeopardy question I got wrong when I appeared on the program. Just one more thing I hold against Margaret Thatcher.

And your screen name is an anagram for "Bung ill ma."  The point?  Another one for Thatcher is "charm great threat."  Again, the point?
 
2013-04-09 12:17:55 AM  

GeneralJim: BMulligan: Her name was an anagram for "that great charmer." I know, because that was the Final Jeopardy question I got wrong when I appeared on the program. Just one more thing I hold against Margaret Thatcher.
And your screen name is an anagram for "Bung ill ma."  The point?  Another one for Thatcher is "charm great threat."  Again, the point?


Yours is REIGN JEMAL.

I knew you were a secret Islamist.
 
2013-04-09 12:46:03 AM  
I've seen people saying things like please god don't send her back, good riddance, she deserves to burn in hell, etc.  With all the good she did, what did she do to deserve such hatred?
 
2013-04-09 01:33:20 AM  

nekom: A huge force in history, whether you liked or hated her politics.  May she rest in peace.


There's no peace in hell.  Good riddance.
 
2013-04-09 01:36:06 AM  

beta_plus:

/does NHS cover butt hurt?
No, but help is available from "foreign sources"... for a small fee.

memeorama.com

 
2013-04-09 01:47:56 AM  

The_Sponge:

And I'm sorry that the profit motive frightens you.
My guess?  He's not frightened by the profit motive itself.  He's frightened at the thought of being paid what he's worth.
 
2013-04-09 01:56:24 AM  
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/97/95zl.jpg
/click piccy, SFWish

So long, ma'am.

Don't let the door hit ya where Old Nick split ya.
 
2013-04-09 02:06:41 AM  
img212.imageshack.us

LOLwhoops, posting on Fark is hard.
 
2013-04-09 02:21:13 AM  
RIP you smelly old windbag.

/amidoinitright?
 
2013-04-09 02:39:01 AM  

I'm no expert but...: I imagine there will be more than a few celebrations tonight.


No sh*t. I'm kind of sad the IRA didn't take her, but at least now she isn't a martyr except in the eyes of the truly goddamn retarded..

/I won't say "no tears shed"
//but they're tears of joy
///may she rot in hell with Oliver Cromwell
 
2013-04-09 02:50:16 AM  

Epoch_Zero:

Considering the majority of farkers are either from north america (still suffering from reaganomics) or the uk (still getting over the 80's thatcher drearies),
This is one of the dumber lines of reasoning ever seen on Fark.  Going back 30 years to find a Republican to blame?  Obama only thinks he inherited a mess from the Democratic Congress of 2006 -- Take some time, and look at the horrific crap that Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Congress left Reagan.  But as crispy as things were then, when proper methods are applied, things will get better, and within a few years.  That's what happened.  You're off by an order of magnitude -- it takes about three years to recover from a recession, if it is repaired using a bit of reason.  The way to do it, that has worked for Democrat and Republican Presidents?  Allow a bit of debt to creep up; make sure interest rates are not confiscatory, give some tax breaks, and rein in government spending.  That has worked every time -- within 3 years, massive improvement can be seen.  An "alternate" plan was used twice: Once by FDR, and once by Obama.  The alternate plan involves cranking up government spending, increasing regulation, increasing taxes, and doing stupid crap to make people feel better.  FDR's recession turned into the Great Depression, and Obama's recession turned into the "Great Recession," and despite smoke and mirrors with the numbers, things are not getting any better after four years.  I bet Obama can keep this one going as long as FDR did, just by doing the same stupid shiat that didn't work then, and hasn't worked this time.


raymondpronk.files.wordpress.com

mashedpotatobulletin.files.wordpress.com

 
2013-04-09 02:53:46 AM  
I'm listening to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-y2ox2HPnc

And drinking good whiskey (Irish...the only kind). And thanking a God I don't even believe in that this horrid b*tch is dead.

LIKE CHRISTMAS IN APRIL!

/totally makes up for Ebert dying
//third of the bunch is...?
 
2013-04-09 03:08:49 AM  

TV's Vinnie:

No one brought down the Soviets. They did it to themselves. Their system simply.stopped.working.
True.  Which is why we need to emulate that system as much as possible.  It has never worked before, but 29th time is the charm...
 
2013-04-09 03:21:22 AM  

FlashHarry:

libs ended slavery. are you pro slavery?

Do you mean the British Liberal Party?  Because they use a more traditional definition of "liberal" in the UK.  The closest American party to the Liberal Party would be the Libertarian Party.

But, if you are talking about the U.S.A., it was the Democrats who started the KKK as a way to keep slaves from voting, and the Republicans who opposed them.  ALL of the big battles had Democrats on the racist side, and Republicans on the egalitarian side -- until LBJ decided that position was becoming difficult to support, so he transformed the Democrats into anti-racists with a wave of his hand.  The truth is, Democrats are still the party of institutional racism.

 
2013-04-09 03:31:58 AM  

Sid_6.7: I'm listening to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-y2ox2HPnc

And drinking good whiskey (Irish...the only kind). And thanking a God I don't even believe in that this horrid b*tch is dead.

LIKE CHRISTMAS IN APRIL!

/totally makes up for Ebert dying
//third of the bunch is...?


Cheney?

/oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please
 
2013-04-09 03:34:03 AM  

over_and_done:

///Fred Rogers needs to die more often, just to bring different people together in mourning
I'm reasonably certain the offer is "One death per customer."  And, while I see what you're saying, it sounds like some ancient curse:  "You'll die, and then I'll bring you back to life, just so you can die again and again!"
 
2013-04-09 03:39:49 AM  

GeneralJim: TV's Vinnie: No one brought down the Soviets. They did it to themselves. Their system simply.stopped.working.True.  Which is why we need to emulate that system as much as possible.  It has never worked before, but 29th time is the charm...


Ah yes. Helping keep Gramda from having to sift thru dumpsters for a meal is Communism. Uh huh.

Shut up
successability.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-09 03:56:32 AM  

Epoch_Zero:

vygramul: Kaufmann's Law: For every idea, there exists at least one hypocrite espousing it.

I disagree. He wanted to wrestle women, he thought it was a good idea, and goddammit he went and wrestled those women!


angelsinnature.files.wordpress.com
Well played, Sir!

 
2013-04-09 04:24:12 AM  

rewind2846: GoldSpider: vygramul: No one brought down the Soviets. They did it to themselves. Their system simply.stopped.working.

Communism works just fine without outside influences poisoning the well.  Or so I hear.

Communism and its cousin Socialism do work, but only under ideal conditions, the most important of which is the negation of human greed. They depend on the equal or near equal sharing of resources, and work done for the good of all.
Unfortunately greed is hard-wired into the species, and it is only through discipline and a regard for others that we've kept it to a level which has not destroyed us... yet.

Capitalism on the other hand works well with greed. Capitalism cannot exist without greed. It depends on greed, like green plants depend on the sun. Capitalism cannot survive without that one emotion, the one which drives human beings to commit some of the most heinous acts against their fellow beings the world has ever seen. Capitalism rewards all the bad behaviors we as humans exhibit, and does so quite well. Find me very wealthy person, and there will be a very good chance that person is an amoral scumbag.

As the fictional Gordon Gecko said, "Greed Works". As greed does indeed work, so does capitalism.


That sort of ignorance can only be written by someone that knows nothing about history and what happened when capitalism was left to itself (laissez faire and all that).
 
2013-04-09 04:34:41 AM  

xria: As the fictional Gordon Gecko said, "Greed Works". As greed does indeed work, so does capitalism.

That sort of ignorance can only be written by someone that knows nothing about history and what happened when capitalism was left to itself (laissez faire and all that).


And you fail reading comprehension.

Re-read what I wrote... capitalism is the only system that humans will willingly stick to because it doesn't go against the baser tenets of human nature. Not that it is the best system, or that it should be left unfettered to do what it will, or that it should be the only system... but that it is the system that most humans in most civilizations adapt to because it fits best with all the greed, sloth, lust, envy and every other venal sin that can be had, and rewards those who participate in these sins with wealth and power.

If humans weren't greedy amoral assholes, capitalism wouldn't stand a chance. But they are, and that's why we still do it.
 
2013-04-09 05:06:17 AM  
DeArmondVI:

*I want a democracy, not a republic.

Well, then, you're an idiot.  If America were a democracy, rather than a republic, in the 1940s African-Americans would have been rounded up and shipped back to Africa.  Nice.

Be less ignorant...
 
2013-04-09 05:10:41 AM  
She lived her life like a candle in the wind.


/Sputtering and waxy.
 
2013-04-09 05:49:47 AM  

GeneralJim: Epoch_Zero: Considering the majority of farkers are either from north america (still suffering from reaganomics) or the uk (still getting over the 80's thatcher drearies),This is one of the dumber lines of reasoning ever seen on Fark.  Going back 30 years to find a Republican to blame?  Obama only thinks he inherited a mess from the Democratic Congress of 2006 -- Take some time, and look at the horrific crap that Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Congress left Reagan.  But as crispy as things were then, when proper methods are applied, things will get better, and within a few years.  That's what happened.  You're off by an order of magnitude -- it takes about three years to recover from a recession, if it is repaired using a bit of reason.  The way to do it, that has worked for Democrat and Republican Presidents?  Allow a bit of debt to creep up; make sure interest rates are not confiscatory, give some tax breaks, and rein in government spending.  That has worked every time -- within 3 years, massive improvement can be seen.  An "alternate" plan was used twice: Once by FDR, and once by Obama.  The alternate plan involves cranking up government spending, increasing regulation, increasing taxes, and doing stupid crap to make people feel better.  FDR's recession turned into the Great Depression, and Obama's recession turned into the "Great Recession," and despite smoke and mirrors with the numbers, things are not getting any better after four years.  I bet Obama can keep this one going as long as FDR did, just by doing the same stupid shiat that didn't work then, and hasn't worked this time.


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I love how the left and right scales aren't the same on that top graphic.

Seriously, doesn't that dishonesty bother you at all?
 
2013-04-09 05:59:51 AM  
Jesus, even the bottom scale is intentionally misleading. Reagan's term i. Office begins off the chart to the left, while Obama's starts partway in.

And yet, it doesn't bother people they are being lied to: they'll happily pass along the lie. I guess honor just doesn't matter to some people.
 
2013-04-09 06:10:16 AM  

lohphat:

She kicked away the ladder for her female colleagues. Her administration had the fewest (or near-so) female members of any recent PM.

Wow!   Just like Obama!
 
2013-04-09 06:27:17 AM  

rewind2846:

When the car is heading toward a cliff, "stay the course" is usually a very bad idea... but as you fly off the edge to your death, at least the people who show up at your funeral will be able to say that you "stood by your convictions", right?
Both Thatcher and Reagan inherited countries in truly horrible shape, both executed massive changes in direction, and both left countries in much better shape than when they got them.  Should we have "stayed Carter's course?"  Should the U.K. have continued until there was outright war with the unions?
 
2013-04-09 06:30:22 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah:

Destroying the mental health care system of the country overwhelms that. Also, I thought the President couldn't create jobs. That's what Mitt Romney said, anyway.
That's true -- but the President can do dumbass things to PREVENT job creation.  For examples, see Obama or FDR.
 
2013-04-09 06:39:33 AM  

vygramul:

GeneralJim: BMulligan: Her name was an anagram for "that great charmer." I know, because that was the Final Jeopardy question I got wrong when I appeared on the program. Just one more thing I hold against Margaret Thatcher.

And your screen name is an anagram for "Bung ill ma."  The point?  Another one for Thatcher is "charm great threat."  Again, the point?

Yours is REIGN JEMAL.

I knew you were a secret Islamist.


Oh, wise up.  That's my rap name.
 
2013-04-09 06:45:13 AM  

vygramul:

I love how the left and right scales aren't the same on that top graphic.

Seriously, doesn't that dishonesty bother you at all?
No, because it's not dishonest.  What DOES bother me is your lack of ability to read graphs.  There are more people now, so we start with higher numbers.  If you check the scales, they are identical, not different as you claim -- the origin point is different, so that the curves appear together for easy comparison.   Some people.
 
2013-04-09 06:48:01 AM  

GeneralJim: vygramul: I love how the left and right scales aren't the same on that top graphic.

Seriously, doesn't that dishonesty bother you at all?No, because it's not dishonest.  What DOES bother me is your lack of ability to read graphs.  There are more people now, so we start with higher numbers.  If you check the scales, they are identical, not different as you claim -- the origin point is different, so that the curves appear together for easy comparison.   Some people.


Check again. The numbers do increment by two on both sides. But the ones on the right are not on the lines like the ones on the left. 88 lines up with 129, but 96 does NOT line up with 137, even though both incremented by 8.

Two different scales.
 
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