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2013-04-08 11:24:41 AM

skullkrusher: First Lilly Pulitzer now this? Terrible weekend for 80s Republicans.


I would suspect that this is a positive thing for the 80's Republicans.  It creates an opportunity to force the world to relive the glory days.  Ah, the cold war and parastroica.   Those were the days.   Goils were goils and men were men.
 
2013-04-08 11:24:55 AM

Carousel Beast: GoldSpider: I expect this thread will contain the usual amounts of dignity and respect for the recently departed.

HotWingConspiracy: At least her spiritual successor is still here to guide us.

[austinisafecker.files.wordpress.com image 550x282]

Jackson Herring: What a shiat she was.

Right again.

Yeah, this is where the left-wingers call anyone who disagrees with them else divisive and vile.

/Hypocrisy at its finest


No, left-wingers call people divisive and vile because of the person's actions, not who they were. Attacking a Peterson for who they are is more commonly a conservative tactic because that's all they have left.
 
2013-04-08 11:25:04 AM
What's the difference? There'll be plenty of chicks for these tigers on the road to the promised land. This is it. It's really happening. Who needs qualifications? Who cares about Thatcher and unemployment? We can do just exactly whatever we want to do. And you know why? Because we're Young Ones. Bachelor boys. Crazy, mad, wild-eyed, big-bottomed anarchists.
 
2013-04-08 11:26:35 AM

PseUdononymous Savagery: skullkrusher: First Lilly Pulitzer now this? Terrible weekend for 80s Republicans.

I would suspect that this is a positive thing for the 80's Republicans.  It creates an opportunity to force the world to relive the glory days.  Ah, the cold war and parastroica.   Those were the days.   Goils were goils and men were men.


and Michael Jackson was still a black man. Thems were the days.
 
2013-04-08 11:27:52 AM

GoldSpider: I very much doubt that there are more than a handful of people on Fark who have been directly affected by her policies.  This is ideological hatred, pure and simple.


 She was in power from the time I was 4, until I was 15, then Major, her Tory successor was in power for another 7 years. Her policies changed the face of the United Kingdom, and not in a good way.
 
2013-04-08 11:28:26 AM

Carousel Beast: GoldSpider: I expect this thread will contain the usual amounts of dignity and respect for the recently departed.

HotWingConspiracy: At least her spiritual successor is still here to guide us.

[austinisafecker.files.wordpress.com image 550x282]

Jackson Herring: What a shiat she was.

Right again.

Yeah, this is where the left-wingers call anyone who disagrees with them else divisive and vile.

/Hypocrisy at its finest


You can choose to be like Jackson Herring, or try to do something different.
 
2013-04-08 11:28:37 AM

BgJonson79: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: BgJonson79: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: BgJonson79: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.

But that says nothing about his basic premise.  Hypocrites can have valid ideas.

True but the validity is questionable if they don't follow the ideas they're espousing.

No it's not, they're separate arguments

Why not follow a good idea?

Doesn't matter for his argument's validity.

How can he think it valid if he doesn't follow it?


With cognitive dissonance. Pickle?
 
2013-04-08 11:29:18 AM
I wonder what she thought about all those illegal aliens coming into her UK via her Chunnel.

It must have broken her heart.
 
2013-04-08 11:29:42 AM
i.imgur.com

RIP MARGARET
 
2013-04-08 11:29:58 AM

lohphat: Carousel Beast: GoldSpider: I expect this thread will contain the usual amounts of dignity and respect for the recently departed.

HotWingConspiracy: At least her spiritual successor is still here to guide us.

[austinisafecker.files.wordpress.com image 550x282]

Jackson Herring: What a shiat she was.

Right again.

Yeah, this is where the left-wingers call anyone who disagrees with them else divisive and vile.

/Hypocrisy at its finest

No, left-wingers call people divisive and vile because of the person's actions, not who they were. Attacking a Peterson for who they are is more commonly a conservative tactic because that's all they have left.


/farking autocorrect
 
2013-04-08 11:30:13 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: I wonder what she thought about all those illegal aliens coming into her UK via her Chunnel.

It must have broken her heart.


Ask Eric Clapton what he thinks of immigrants in the UK.  He's a standup guy!
 
2013-04-08 11:30:24 AM
I'm going to go ahead and admit I don't know enough about modern British politics before the past decade or so to have an honest opinion of her. Then again, I was born in '86.

So I'll just pay my respects and say RIP Thatcher.
 
2013-04-08 11:31:19 AM
i75.photobucket.com
 
2013-04-08 11:31:23 AM
Those were the days
www.suprmchaos.com
 
2013-04-08 11:31:57 AM
Don't you think she looks tired?
 
2013-04-08 11:32:33 AM
I'm certain this thread will contain the usual gloating by the usual ghouls on the Left, so I'm not going to bother reading it or engaging in any pointless slagging matches. But I would like to offer a perspective on Thatcher that is British, conservative, and of her own time. In the late 1970s the UK was frequently in chaos from various strikes and union- led disruptions. At different times there were power cuts, railway strikes, rubbish left piling up on the streets, even dead bodies left unburied. The most powerful unions were led by hard- Left or even Communist sympathizers; indeed, Jack Jones -- the head of the Transport and General Workers' Union, regarded by the public as the "most powerful man in Britain" in 1977 -- was at the time also working for the KGB (the secret police of the USSR), and Thatcher's later nemesis Arthur Scargill tried to secure Soviet funding in order to further the miners' strike of the 1980s. Such men, whatever their rank and file members may have felt about Communism, were obviously not interested in rectifying the injustices of the existing system but wanted to destroy it altogether. And by the late 1970s their efforts were bearing abundant fruit; the British economy was an absolute mess. In 1976 what was once the richest country in the world was going cap in hand to the IMF for a bailout; inflation and unemployment were rampant. This is the Britain that Thatcher inherited, and many working- class families such as mine were ready for something different. She was to be elected three times to her office, reflecting a broad base of discontent with the inverventionist status quo of the 70s.

Thatcher, though not without faults, was an excellent prime minister in many ways. Her decisive action on the Falklands saw the control of those islands rightfully returned to their inhabitants; her strong ties with Reagan and NATO generally helped to counter Soviet belligerence after the appeasement and weakness shown towards the Soviets by Wilson and Heath. Her advocacy of council home ownership and new home building helped to rejuvenate working- class areas; I saw the transformation in East Belfast in the 1980s, which during my pre- Thatcher childhood had been blighted by empty lots, leftover wartime rubble, and dogsh*t.

Even in the crisis that she is most remembered to for, the miners' strike, we can deliver at worst a mixed verdict. The simple fact is that the coal mines were losing money and had effectively become a kind of massively subsidized welfare scheme. And let's be honest with ourselves: Thatcher is now vilified for closing the mines by exactly the same people who supported Obama when he pledged to "bankrupt" the coal industry; coal- fired plants in the US are no longer being built, and many working- class jobs in the American coal industry are being destroyed. At least Thatcher was trying to save money; Obama is merely pursuing a chimerical green energy dream.

So for all those fanatics and zealots out there who are today tap- dancing on Thatcher's grave -- especially those who were in nappies or not even born when she was PM -- do yourselves a favour and, instead of listening to the slanders and the slogans, pick up a fairly neutral and detailed book about her administration and make up your own mind, instead of having it made up for you.
 
2013-04-08 11:32:47 AM

FlashHarry: libs ended slavery. are you pro slavery?


Lol, you got me!  With such an amazing argument, I will cede victory to you.

/dumb lib
 
2013-04-08 11:32:53 AM
markosun.files.wordpress.com

RIP Iron Butterfly
 
2013-04-08 11:33:24 AM

PseUdononymous Savagery: Lost Thought 00: She should be thought of the same as Reagan - at the time, reasonable and rational, but knowing what the world knows now, a complete f*cktard who nearly destroyed the world.

I remember when Reagan died.   All of the old time libs in Washington and the media stood in line to be able to pose next to a life sized cut out poster of him.  All of a sudden they loved him and acted like they always did.   All of those tools  are irrepressible wankers that make the move of the day for political ground.  When Carter dies, all of the republicans and Fox News will stand in line with the libs to fellate his corpse as well.


Not me. Carter was a terrible president who, despite lip service to "human rights", supported the murderous Shah of Iran. His sheltering of the Shah led to the hostage crisis, and Reagan becoming president.

/He did legalize home-brewing, I'll give him that
 
2013-04-08 11:33:40 AM

Jackpot777: BMW of Germany owns Rolls-Royce and Mini. Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation owns MG. Tata Motors of India owns Jaguar and Land Rover. Volkswagen of Germany owns Bentley. Rights to many currently dormant brands, including Austin, Riley, Rover and Triumph, are also owned by foreign companies.


Tata bought Jaguar and Land Rover from Ford. Although I admire the Indians for buying the symbol of their colonial oppressors.

BMW/Volkswagen started Rolls Royce Motors in 1998. Rolls-Royce plc still exists as a British company, making turbines.

Ford owned Aston Martin, Jaguar, and Land Rover at various times (and Volvo).

The list of what GM owns and once owned is impressive. They own three Chinese manufacturers, oddly enough.
 
2013-04-08 11:33:42 AM

FarkedOver: TheShavingofOccam123: I wonder what she thought about all those illegal aliens coming into her UK via her Chunnel.

It must have broken her heart.

Ask Eric Clapton what he thinks of immigrants in the UK.  He's a standup guy!


"I used to be into dope, now I'm into racism. It's much heavier, man. farking wogs, man. farking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and farking Jamaicans and farking [indecipherable] don't belong here, we don't want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don't want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don't want farking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fark's sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he's a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he's our man, he's on our side, he'll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he's on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!"

He really hates those indecipherables.
 
2013-04-08 11:34:04 AM

GoldSpider: FarkedOver: There will be dancing in the streets, as he was history's greatest monster.

Well for my pre-emptive contribution to that thread, Carter is a much better humanitarian than he was President.  His idealism (and naivete?) led him to believe those roles were one in the same.


Carter was a better President than Reagan.
 
2013-04-08 11:34:21 AM
This new Argentinian pope doesn't hang about.
 
2013-04-08 11:34:24 AM

Bungles: I'm not sure Americans understand quite how utterly despised Thatcher was towards the end, after the Poll Tax.

The fact the first reports in the UK generally use the words "divisive" and "loathed" by the second sentence tells you something.

She hasn't had the Regan hagiography make-over for anyone bar a very small clique of elderly white men.


It is the nature of historians to take another look at a towering figure through the rear view mirror and decide whether the words of their supporters in their time were accurate.

On balance, we look back now at the likes of a John F. Kennedy and the luster of his Presidency is a lot more tarnished than it once was.  On balance he was still an extremely positive influence on American history, but would he rate inclusion on some second version of Mt. Rushmore?  Perhaps not.

Similarly with Ronald Reagan, who was a much loved figure in his time--irregardless of what Leftists in this country want to portray. Reagan had his flaws and occasional failings, though I think that history looks back on him now as on balance being what the country needed.  Same with Thatcher really.  Poll tax aside, her opposition to the EU was ultimately her downfall.  I think we can look back now and see that her misgivings about it were well founded.

You didn't have to agree with everything that Thatcher or Reagan did (and I did not...James Watt for example was a disaster as Secretary of the Interior and even Reagan eventually made fun of him), but if you are being intellectually honest, you have to admit they had the best interests of their respective nations at heart.  I wish I could say that of our leadership now.
 
2013-04-08 11:34:38 AM

m1ke: Damn, you libs really hate her.  She must have been doing something right!


And that, in a nutshell, is how best to describe modern conservatism.
 
2013-04-08 11:35:30 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: FarkedOver: TheShavingofOccam123: I wonder what she thought about all those illegal aliens coming into her UK via her Chunnel.

It must have broken her heart.

Ask Eric Clapton what he thinks of immigrants in the UK.  He's a standup guy!

"I used to be into dope, now I'm into racism. It's much heavier, man. farking wogs, man. farking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and farking Jamaicans and farking [indecipherable] don't belong here, we don't want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don't want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don't want farking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fark's sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he's a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he's our man, he's on our side, he'll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he's on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!"

He really hates those indecipherables.


I guess he means Cockneys? (Or maybe Scots...)
 
2013-04-08 11:36:13 AM
Only woman to be Prime Minister
Conservative
Take that, progs (war on women my ass)
BTW - how's your economy now v. when Maggie was in office?
 
2013-04-08 11:36:28 AM
Thatcher supporters today:  http://i.imgur.com/CDVai.gif
 
2013-04-08 11:36:38 AM

GranoblasticMan: I'm going to go ahead and admit I don't know enough about modern British politics before the past decade or so to have an honest opinion of her. Then again, I was born in '86.

So I'll just pay my respects and say RIP Thatcher.


Pretty much the same, except that I was born in '85 and I'll be posting a picture of the wrong thing above the "RIP Thatcher."

/Yeah, I love that meme that everyone hates
 
2013-04-08 11:37:03 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: PseUdononymous Savagery: Lost Thought 00: She should be thought of the same as Reagan - at the time, reasonable and rational, but knowing what the world knows now, a complete f*cktard who nearly destroyed the world.

I remember when Reagan died.   All of the old time libs in Washington and the media stood in line to be able to pose next to a life sized cut out poster of him.  All of a sudden they loved him and acted like they always did.   All of those tools  are irrepressible wankers that make the move of the day for political ground.  When Carter dies, all of the republicans and Fox News will stand in line with the libs to fellate his corpse as well.

Not me. Carter was a terrible president who, despite lip service to "human rights", supported the murderous Shah of Iran. His sheltering of the Shah led to the hostage crisis, and Reagan becoming president.

/He did legalize home-brewing, I'll give him that


Carter's handling of the Shah was naïve. He said nice things about him in public in the hopes the Shah would therefore listen to Carter's appeals to treat people better in private. After all, how many people will listen to you if you start off, "You're an asshole. Here's what you should do..." Carter just didn't (and perhaps still doesn't) understand that people who torture are not going to listen to you either way. It's like trying to get Cheney to change his mind on waterboarding.
 
2013-04-08 11:37:49 AM

DeArmondVI: m1ke: Damn, you libs really hate her.  She must have been doing something right!

And that, in a nutshell, is how best to describe modern conservatism.


In a nutshell. We all want to be free. But now we're given a choice. More corporate control, or more government control. Which do you prefer?
 
2013-04-08 11:37:49 AM
So, without having to read the entire thread, do we hate her and are glad she's dead? Or was she a great leaded that will be mourned like Reagan?
 
2013-04-08 11:39:38 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: FarkedOver: TheShavingofOccam123: I wonder what she thought about all those illegal aliens coming into her UK via her Chunnel.

It must have broken her heart.

Ask Eric Clapton what he thinks of immigrants in the UK.  He's a standup guy!

"I used to be into dope, now I'm into racism. It's much heavier, man. farking wogs, man. farking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and farking Jamaicans and farking [indecipherable] don't belong here, we don't want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don't want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don't want farking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fark's sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he's a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he's our man, he's on our side, he'll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he's on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!"

He really hates those indecipherables.


Are you sure that it wasn't Bob Geldof?

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-08 11:39:42 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: "I used to be into dope, now I'm into racism. It's much heavier, man. farking wogs, man. farking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and farking Jamaicans and farking [indecipherable] don't belong here, we don't want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don't want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don't want farking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fark's sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he's a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he's our man, he's on our side, he'll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he's on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!"


Nucky's running for PM?
 
2013-04-08 11:40:17 AM
In her honor, I'm going to take away school kids' milk.
 
2013-04-08 11:40:58 AM

FarkedOver: The company I work for contributes to my 401k. I have zero deducted from my pay check.


Ishmael: No way. Uh-huh. There's no way I can bet. It's against my religion. I was raised to *not* be a gambler. There's no way I'm going to bet.


Roy: Hey, hey, Ish. Ish! *Ish*!


Ishmael: No. No! *No* way!


Roy: Hey! Listen, you stupid banana head! You don't have to bet. I'll bet for you.


Ishmael: Oh, that's cool.
 
2013-04-08 11:41:32 AM

lohphat: Peterson


I am no Peterson, sir
 
2013-04-08 11:41:49 AM
24.media.tumblr.com

WELL . . . . BYE
 
2013-04-08 11:43:09 AM

muck4doo: DeArmondVI: m1ke: Damn, you libs really hate her.  She must have been doing something right!

And that, in a nutshell, is how best to describe modern conservatism.

In a nutshell. We all want to be free. But now we're given a choice. More corporate control, or more government control. Which do you prefer?


Good question. I'm actually more afraid of corporate control, because at least the government has limitations. Corporations are allowed to do things government is not. For example, the company that leased 3D printers to that guy trying to print a 3D gun demanded the printer back because they didn't approve of his use of it. Companies have deleted digital books they had already sold people from their devices. Companies have tried to say that even though you bought their equipment and own it, you're still not allowed to do certain things with it. I suspect the next true tyranny will be a corporate one.
 
2013-04-08 11:43:14 AM
sleders.com
3.bp.blogspot.com
1.bp.blogspot.com
www.scraundler.com

Rot in hell, biatch.
 
2013-04-08 11:43:24 AM

GranoblasticMan: TheShavingofOccam123: FarkedOver: TheShavingofOccam123: I wonder what she thought about all those illegal aliens coming into her UK via her Chunnel.

It must have broken her heart.

Ask Eric Clapton what he thinks of immigrants in the UK.  He's a standup guy!

"I used to be into dope, now I'm into racism. It's much heavier, man. farking wogs, man. farking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and farking Jamaicans and farking [indecipherable] don't belong here, we don't want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don't want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don't want farking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fark's sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he's a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he's our man, he's on our side, he'll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he's on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!"

He really hates those indecipherables.

I guess he means Cockneys? (Or maybe Scots...)


I was thinking Baptists...


3.bp.blogspot.com

"If you don't want to be [indecipherable] the [indecipherable] you haven't [indecipherable],
I suggest you [indecipherable] those [indecipherable]. Quick!"

 
2013-04-08 11:43:51 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Only woman to be Prime Minister
Conservative
Take that, progs (war on women my ass)
BTW - how's your economy now v. when Maggie was in office?


Uh, they have a conservative in office right now as well, chief.
 
2013-04-08 11:44:23 AM
Maggie saved Britain from economic collapse. 'Nuff said.
 
2013-04-08 11:44:45 AM

macadamnut: [24.media.tumblr.com image 600x399]

WELL . . . . BYE


That lady on the left...

Wish it wasn't cropped like that. You could use that for pretty much every political success/setback as the two sides' reaction to it.
 
2013-04-08 11:46:21 AM
"At the Fletcher Memorial home for incurable wasters of life and limb."
 
2013-04-08 11:46:59 AM

Jackson Herring: Thatcher refused to meet the union's demands and compared the miners' dispute to the Falklands conflict two years earlier, declaring in a speech in 1984: "We had to fight the enemy without in the Falklands. We always have to be aware of the enemy within, which is much more difficult to fight and more dangerous to liberty."

What an indescribable shiat she was.


so much this

/I'll be playing union songs to commemorate the occasion
 
2013-04-08 11:47:05 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Only woman to be Prime Minister
Conservative
Take that, progs (war on women my ass)
BTW - how's your economy now v. when Maggie was in office?


I lol'd. You took an elected official in a separate country with different politics and equated it with the Republican teabaggers of America. Vote Republican!
 
2013-04-08 11:48:51 AM
www.theunrealtimes.com
RIP Todd Margaret Thatch heir
 
2013-04-08 11:49:10 AM
Good riddance farking coont.
 
2013-04-08 11:49:15 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: His sheltering of the Shah led to the hostage crisis, and Reagan becoming president.


I think the proper method is to say "yada yada yada" when you don't want to say what happened in between.
 
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