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2013-04-08 11:08:29 AM  

PseUdononymous Savagery: So, what would be the protocols for a Maggie Death Party?  What would be the drink of choice?  How should they dress?  And what will be the curfew before the bobbies come out with the billy clubs?


Milk.
 
2013-04-08 11:08:35 AM  

FarkedOver: I begrudge anyone who actively seeks to exploit and dominate others for accumulating wealth as some sort of fetish.


I think there are far fewer such people than you believe, wealth disparity notwithstanding.  We might have some agreements on that subject, though our methods for correcting it are vastly different, I imagine.
 
2013-04-08 11:09:22 AM  

tripleseven: muck4doo:

. Libs and Cons both want to try to improve the country in different ways. Neither goes into their thinking that they want to destroy the country. When we start looking at each other that we're done. Funny thing I have noticed, loony far left and loony far right often find themselves agreeing on things.

Man, stop saying things like this, they are demonstrably false.
You have a very, very naïve world view if these are your true opinions.


Looney left, or looney right?
 
2013-04-08 11:09:51 AM  

vygramul: Kaufmann's Law: For every idea, there exists at least one hypocrite espousing it.


I disagree. He wanted to wrestle women, he thought it was a good idea, and goddammit he went and wrestled those women!
 
2013-04-08 11:10:18 AM  
CNN ray this as her obit picture:

pbs.twimg.com

/This is what happens when you get rid of your investigative reporters and fact checkers
//Unless it was intentional, then bravo to whoever managed this
///Dead paedo on the left, for you Americans
 
2013-04-08 11:10:23 AM  
Seems like Thatcher was net positive, at least to the UK.
 
2013-04-08 11:10:36 AM  

Jackson Herring: vygramul: //I'll have a drink when Castro finally gets to meet his maker

Uh-oh looks like you need to turn in your Libtard Membership Card.


it shouldn't hurt that much to think, but I am sure that's your excuse.
 
2013-04-08 11:11:01 AM  

BgJonson79: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: BgJonson79: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.

But that says nothing about his basic premise.  Hypocrites can have valid ideas.

True but the validity is questionable if they don't follow the ideas they're espousing.

No it's not, they're separate arguments

Why not follow a good idea?


Doesn't matter for his argument's validity.
 
2013-04-08 11:11:03 AM  

GoldSpider: FarkedOver: I begrudge anyone who actively seeks to exploit and dominate others for accumulating wealth as some sort of fetish.

I think there are far fewer such people than you believe, wealth disparity notwithstanding.  We might have some agreements on that subject, though our methods for correcting it are vastly different, I imagine.


Sure.  But its laughable to vilify someone (not saying you in particular) on the left for having things and a retirement account.  I'm sorry I have a blender? I'm sorry when I am old and feeble I don't want to live on the street eating cat food.... you have to play the hand you're dealt sadly.  All I can do is campaign for a change to the way things are.
 
2013-04-08 11:11:25 AM  

Fart_Machine: dwrash: Epoch_Zero: dwrash: Love her or hate her, she had the courage to go her own way and did't give a rats ass whether her party was coming along with her.

She is the embodyment of the kind of politician we need today.. instead we get the weak knee'd wusses that cave to even a small amount of public pressure.

Uh huh. I sure want a leader that does whatever they want regardless of public opinion.
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So what?.. he made a mistake.. and the democrats went right along with him.  We all, democrats, republicans and independents like myself are just as guilty as Bush was.

Speak for yourself.


Maybe you should go find a non-democratic country to live in.
 
2013-04-08 11:11:46 AM  

The_Sponge: FarkedOver: vygramul: FarkedOver: GoldSpider: FarkedOver: How is what I do for a living relevant to anything?

I suppose a few of us are curious if there's a chance you are profiting on the backs of the poor.

Impossible.  I own no capital.  I am not capable of profiteering off of someone's labor.

Do you have a 401k?

The company I work for contributes to my 401k.  I have zero deducted from my pay check.

You world view is as pathetic as your retirement planning.


Helpful insights like this are why I come to fark.  Why don't you tell us more about being at the gym in 26 minutes?
 
2013-04-08 11:11:46 AM  

Epoch_Zero: vygramul: Kaufmann's Law: For every idea, there exists at least one hypocrite espousing it.

I disagree. He wanted to wrestle women, he thought it was a good idea, and goddammit he went and wrestled those women!


That is not disagreement. Kaufmann's Law does not state that an idea cannot have non-hypocrites espousing them. It states that somewhere out there is someone who thinks no one should wrestle women but wrestles them himself.
 
2013-04-08 11:12:03 AM  

special20: Jackson Herring: vygramul: //I'll have a drink when Castro finally gets to meet his maker

Uh-oh looks like you need to turn in your Libtard Membership Card.

it shouldn't hurt that much to think, but I am sure that's your excuse.


do you "get" "posts"?
 
2013-04-08 11:12:13 AM  

Badgers: CNN ray this as her obit picture:

[pbs.twimg.com image 850x637]

/This is what happens when you get rid of your investigative reporters and fact checkers
//Unless it was intentional, then bravo to whoever managed this
///Dead paedo on the left, for you Americans


He's not just any old dead paedo. He's the most prolific known paedophile in recorded Western history.
 
2013-04-08 11:12:32 AM  

Jackson Herring: special20: Jackson Herring: vygramul: //I'll have a drink when Castro finally gets to meet his maker

Uh-oh looks like you need to turn in your Libtard Membership Card.

it shouldn't hurt that much to think, but I am sure that's your excuse.

do you "get" "posts"?


Yes. I do.
 
2013-04-08 11:13:24 AM  

Badgers:
///Dead paedo on the left, for you Americans


I was just gonna ask if that was Jimmy.
 
2013-04-08 11:13:56 AM  

Boners McNasty: Good riddance. She and Reagan will catch up over tea in hell tonight.


But they won't remember each other.
 
2013-04-08 11:13:56 AM  

dwrash: Fart_Machine: dwrash: Epoch_Zero: dwrash: Love her or hate her, she had the courage to go her own way and did't give a rats ass whether her party was coming along with her.

She is the embodyment of the kind of politician we need today.. instead we get the weak knee'd wusses that cave to even a small amount of public pressure.

Uh huh. I sure want a leader that does whatever they want regardless of public opinion.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x215]

So what?.. he made a mistake.. and the democrats went right along with him.  We all, democrats, republicans and independents like myself are just as guilty as Bush was.

Speak for yourself.

Maybe you should go find a non-democratic country to live in.


Because by disagreeing that "we all went along with it" I must want to live in a non-democratic country.  Love it or leave it amirite?  Voted for Bush twice did you?
 
2013-04-08 11:14:31 AM  
First Lilly Pulitzer now this? Terrible weekend for 80s Republicans.
 
2013-04-08 11:14:41 AM  
I see the Fark lefties are still being classy.
 
2013-04-08 11:14:49 AM  
Should we shout, should we scream
"What happened to the post war dream?"
Oh Maggie Maggie what have we done?
 
2013-04-08 11:15:11 AM  

lohphat: Civil_War2_Time: There's no hate like liberal hate!

And, as usual, you don't address the facts relating to the hate, because you can't. You have to then attack the messenger as the message is incontrovertible.

She was an architect of the grand kleptocracy.


"As usual?" WTF? Find some instances of that and p0st them in this thread to back up your stance. Be thorough, or I will (and I will) be laughing at you.
 
2013-04-08 11:15:13 AM  

FarkedOver: All I can do is campaign for a change to the way things are.


And you have to understand the skepticism of people who are aware of many prior social movements in the past that demanded ideological purity.  Such societies have always abused human rights, and have all failed.
 
2013-04-08 11:15:23 AM  
The Falklands was a range war. What that means is that the Argentine battleships could fire 9 km, while that old British battleship could fire all the way from 10 Downing Street.
 
2013-04-08 11:15:26 AM  

Badgers: CNN ray this as her obit picture:

[pbs.twimg.com image 850x637]

/This is what happens when you get rid of your investigative reporters and fact checkers
//Unless it was intentional, then bravo to whoever managed this
///Dead paedo on the left, for you Americans


That's funny. The YT clip of Spitting Image I uploaded a few posts back has Maggie Thatcher telling Denis they have Jimmy Savile coming for dinner. Apparently they were close friends.
 
2013-04-08 11:15:38 AM  

Epoch_Zero: BgJonson79: Why not follow them unless something else is better?

Current entrenchment in a system that would deny his continued survival if he followed them?

Are you this dense?


No, but my sophistry and troll-fu are unmatched :-P
 
2013-04-08 11:16:00 AM  
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/man, they were really doing the Lindy Hop in 1920 UK. Oomph tiddle bang.
/between WWI and the Spanish Influenza, I guess they had some making up to do
 
2013-04-08 11:16:38 AM  

FarkedOver: BgJonson79: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.

Thank you for making my point.

How can his point be valid if he's not living it?

Just because someone doesn't practice what they preach does not automatically invalidate what they preach.

It just means they don't believe it ;-)

Lenin had a good quote regarding "principles". He actually signed peace treaties with capitalist nations to conclude WWI on the Russian front.  Was it the right thing to do ideologically? Of course not. Was it the right thing to do strategically? Of course.  Living in a capitalist society means people on the (far) left have to exist within its frame work and some times have to do capitalist things.  Even if I had a robust retirement account, would that be bad for me when I can no longer work and take care of myself? Of course it wouldn't be bad strategically, ideologically it sucks but you have to do what you have to do.  I don't begrudge any comrade with a 401k or a PS3.  I begrudge anyone who actively seeks to exploit and dominate others for accumulating wealth as some sort of fetish.


I was reading the Lenin article in Wiki last week and those quotes struck me.  I'll call him more of a "pragmatist" than an "ideologue."
 
2013-04-08 11:16:41 AM  
Best video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4BCUWopQQ4

The song is by a band called Hefner, a tremendous band from some years back.
 
2013-04-08 11:17:14 AM  

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: BgJonson79: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: BgJonson79: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.

But that says nothing about his basic premise.  Hypocrites can have valid ideas.

True but the validity is questionable if they don't follow the ideas they're espousing.

No it's not, they're separate arguments

Why not follow a good idea?

Doesn't matter for his argument's validity.


How can he think it valid if he doesn't follow it?
 
2013-04-08 11:18:18 AM  
Brezhnev took Afghanistan.
Begin took Beirut.
Galtieri took the Union Jack.
And Maggie, over lunch one day,
Took a cruiser with all hands.
Apparently, to make him give it back
 
2013-04-08 11:18:53 AM  
You think she'll put millions of people out of work in Hell, also?
 
2013-04-08 11:19:08 AM  

GoldSpider: FarkedOver: All I can do is campaign for a change to the way things are.

And you have to understand the skepticism of people who are aware of many prior social movements in the past that demanded ideological purity.  Such societies have always abused human rights, and have all failed.


Sure.  I can understand the hesitation with stalinism and maoism. That's why I am a huge supporter of internationalism.
 
2013-04-08 11:19:14 AM  

GoldSpider: I expect this thread will contain the usual amounts of dignity and respect for the recently departed.

HotWingConspiracy: At least her spiritual successor is still here to guide us.

[austinisafecker.files.wordpress.com image 550x282]

Jackson Herring: What a shiat she was.

Right again.


Yeah, this is where the left-wingers call anyone who disagrees with them else divisive and vile.

/Hypocrisy at its finest
 
2013-04-08 11:19:24 AM  

Snarfangel: Civil_War2_Time: FlashHarry: m1ke: Damn, you libs really hate her.  She must have been doing something right!

libs ended slavery. are you pro slavery?

On Fark, the lack of caps to start sentences means 100% guaranteed troll attempt. Weaver started it, and it's now spread like wildfire.

e. e. cummings started it.

/pity this busy monster, trollunkind


Ned was a Farker before Fark existed? Whoa...
 
2013-04-08 11:20:04 AM  

Bungles: Badgers: CNN ray this as her obit picture:

[pbs.twimg.com image 850x637]

/This is what happens when you get rid of your investigative reporters and fact checkers
//Unless it was intentional, then bravo to whoever managed this
///Dead paedo on the left, for you Americans

He's not just any old dead paedo. He's the most prolific known paedophile in recorded Western history.


Was he a Catholic priest too?
 
2013-04-08 11:20:46 AM  

czetie: A reminder to those naive enough to defend her:

She deliberately provoked a war under false pretenses that cost thousands of lives. (Little known fact: Britain has now lost as many Falklands veterans to suicide as it lost in the fighting itself).

She deliberately drove Britain into recession to destroy the unions and to "prove" her absurd Reaganist economic policies.

She sold off national assets and used the money not for the benefit of the country but to line the pockets of political supporters.

She practiced the politics of authoritarianism, populism, xenophobia, nationalism, and class division.

And as the most powerful woman in politics, she kicked away the ladder for those below her, having fewer women in her cabinets than any prime minister in modern history.

Oh, and long before she became prime minister, her defining act in government was to take away the glass of free milk that was provided to every primary school child in order to ensure that even the poorest child of the least competent parents was getting a nutritional breakfast (something that science shows is profoundly correlated with good performance and behavior in schools). At the time we derided her as "Thatcher the Snatcher". How little we realized that we had been given a warning glimpse into her true heart.


Thatcher had no sympathy for the people who suffered as a result of her policies. I don't see why anyone should have sympathy for her.
 
2013-04-08 11:20:47 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-04-08 11:20:48 AM  

dogdaze: Brezhnev took Afghanistan.
Begin took Beirut.
Galtieri took the Union Jack.
And Maggie, over lunch one day,
Took a cruiser with all hands.
Apparently, to make him give it back


To be fair, her stewardship of the Falklands War is one of the few issues that most people in the UK entirely respect her for, perhaps the Belgrano aside.

Most people in the UK despised Thatcher towards the end.

Most people, then and now, entirely support her Falklands campaign.
 
2013-04-08 11:21:04 AM  

BgJonson79: I was reading the Lenin article in Wiki last week and those quotes struck me. I'll call him more of a "pragmatist" than an "ideologue."


He was both, I would say.  Read State and Revolution sometime, you'll see what I mean.  But he was concluding a world war and fighting a Civil war in his own country.  He had no choice but to be a pragmatist.
 
2013-04-08 11:21:38 AM  
 
2013-04-08 11:21:44 AM  
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Badgers:
//Unless it was intentional, then bravo to whoever managed this

Oh, there's no way that was accidental.
 
2013-04-08 11:22:12 AM  
CHEER-io!
 
2013-04-08 11:22:33 AM  

dogdaze: Brezhnev took Afghanistan.
Begin took Beirut.
Galtieri took the Union Jack.
And Maggie, over lunch one day,
Took a cruiser with all hands.
Apparently, to make him give it back


Maggie, what have we done?
 
2013-04-08 11:22:49 AM  

NYCNative: Happy Hours: Well, I'm sure all your punk rock friends were very knowledgeable about world politics.

I'm sure you're very knowledgeable about punk rock... Or not.

The best and most influential punk bands were (and in many cases still are) very much political, from The Clash and Oi Polloi to Crass and Rudimentary Peni  to American bands such as Dead Kennedy's to more contemporary bands such as Anti-Flag.

You can feel free to disagree with the politics of punk (they are not as uniform as one might think though so it's pretty likely that you will find a punk band that espouses your views whether you're a teenage anarchist or a Tea Partier) or call them naive (with your condescension, that seems likely), but to say that punk bands lack knowledge or an interest in politics just shows that you lack knowledge about punk rock history and ideology.  And are completely unafraid to flaunt your ignorance.


Tea Party punk bands? Well, I wouldn't expect much out of them, but neither do I expect much out of the rest of them as far as intelligent political discourse.

I really dig The Clash, but I wouldn't vote for any of those assholes for any office, not even dog catcher.

George Clinton gets my vote for Dog Catcher.
 
2013-04-08 11:23:15 AM  

FlashHarry: m1ke: Damn, you libs really hate her.  She must have been doing something right!

libs ended slavery. are you pro slavery?


Slavery? Don't you mean providing food and shelter?

ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-04-08 11:24:41 AM  

skullkrusher: First Lilly Pulitzer now this? Terrible weekend for 80s Republicans.


I would suspect that this is a positive thing for the 80's Republicans.  It creates an opportunity to force the world to relive the glory days.  Ah, the cold war and parastroica.   Those were the days.   Goils were goils and men were men.
 
2013-04-08 11:24:55 AM  

Carousel Beast: GoldSpider: I expect this thread will contain the usual amounts of dignity and respect for the recently departed.

HotWingConspiracy: At least her spiritual successor is still here to guide us.

[austinisafecker.files.wordpress.com image 550x282]

Jackson Herring: What a shiat she was.

Right again.

Yeah, this is where the left-wingers call anyone who disagrees with them else divisive and vile.

/Hypocrisy at its finest


No, left-wingers call people divisive and vile because of the person's actions, not who they were. Attacking a Peterson for who they are is more commonly a conservative tactic because that's all they have left.
 
2013-04-08 11:25:04 AM  
What's the difference? There'll be plenty of chicks for these tigers on the road to the promised land. This is it. It's really happening. Who needs qualifications? Who cares about Thatcher and unemployment? We can do just exactly whatever we want to do. And you know why? Because we're Young Ones. Bachelor boys. Crazy, mad, wild-eyed, big-bottomed anarchists.
 
2013-04-08 11:26:35 AM  

PseUdononymous Savagery: skullkrusher: First Lilly Pulitzer now this? Terrible weekend for 80s Republicans.

I would suspect that this is a positive thing for the 80's Republicans.  It creates an opportunity to force the world to relive the glory days.  Ah, the cold war and parastroica.   Those were the days.   Goils were goils and men were men.


and Michael Jackson was still a black man. Thems were the days.
 
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