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2013-04-08 10:51:43 AM
images2.wikia.nocookie.netRIP Mag Uruk Thraka
 
2013-04-08 10:51:56 AM

m1ke: Damn, you libs really hate her.  She must have been doing something right!


libs ended slavery. are you pro slavery?
 
2013-04-08 10:52:01 AM
Argentina is going to be party-central tonight
 
2013-04-08 10:52:10 AM

FarkedOver: GoldSpider: vygramul: No one brought down the Soviets. They did it to themselves. Their system simply.stopped.working.

Communism works just fine without outside influences poisoning the well.  Or so I hear.

The theory is it should be an international movement. Socialism in one country (i.e. Stalinism) is bogus and anti-marxist by it's very nature.


yeah yeah yeah, and when global socialism fails it's gonna because we didn't have a worker's revolution on Mars. I'm onto ya.
 
2013-04-08 10:52:28 AM

FarkedOver: GoldSpider: vygramul: No one brought down the Soviets. They did it to themselves. Their system simply.stopped.working.

Communism works just fine without outside influences poisoning the well.  Or so I hear.

The theory is it should be an international movement. Socialism in one country (i.e. Stalinism) is bogus and anti-marxist by it's very nature.


Yes and no. Marx thought one country could be communist without the whole world being communist. But few ideologies state that it's the best for us but won't work for you. They all pretty much claim to be the best for everyone period.
 
2013-04-08 10:52:30 AM

vygramul: //I'll have a drink when Castro finally gets to meet his maker


Uh-oh looks like you need to turn in your Libtard Membership Card.
 
2013-04-08 10:52:44 AM

UNC_Samurai: Yes, the "dancing on their grave" attitude is an easy trap to fall into.

Yes, you are a better person for avoiding it.

No, wanting to ensure there's an accurate historical assessment of someone's record even in the immediate post-death period where the public "mourns" is not excessive; it's entirely appropriate, because that's when a person's legacy starts really getting heavily filtered.

Without giving the obvious examples, there are very rare occasions where someone so vile and whose existence diminished us as a species dies, and it's tough not to savor the end of their existence.  For many Vietnam veterans, that was McNamara or Westmoreland.  For Romanians, it was Ceaușescu.  For Doctor Who fans, it will be Michael Ian Grade.

I was too young and an American, so I don't have the first-hand perspective of the British who lived during her Ministry.  But from historical analysis, I can understand and sympathize with the people who today feel their country is better off without her.  I'm sure the same will happen the day Americans find out Dick Cheney has died.


How DARE you bring some kind of balanced and calmly rational observations into this thread, sir!

/not going to bother reading seven more comment pages of gushing by either side
//divisive leader, divisive post-death fark thread
///Fred Rogers needs to die more often, just to bring different people together in mourning
 
2013-04-08 10:52:46 AM

vygramul: Communism works just fine without outside influences poisoning the well. Or so I hear.

Woah! Mind the attributions!


Sentiments above not expressed by vygramul.  :)
 
2013-04-08 10:52:48 AM

Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:


It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.
 
2013-04-08 10:52:54 AM

TalenLee: I am reminded of Frankie Boyle:

"Her state funeral is going to cost nine million pounds. For that much money, you could buy a shovel and give it to every single Scottish person and we'd dig a hole deep enough that you could deliver her to Satan personally."


I didn't realize Hell was that close to the surface. Must make drilling for oil rather exciting.
 
2013-04-08 10:53:09 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: TV's Vinnie: Marine1: Like her or not, she helped precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union, which was far more evil than any of her policies. Rest in peace.

Well no. I was also alive during that time, and therefore, I had as much to do with the downfall of the Soviet Union as she or Reagan did.

No one brought down the Soviets. They did it to themselves. Their system simply.stopped.working.

[michellesegar.com image 228x270] [www.sweettaterblog.com image 311x248]

et al. brought down the Soviet Union...IMHO


The Soviets didn't fall, they simply went into hibernation. Putin has reawakened them
 
2013-04-08 10:53:09 AM

BgJonson79: FarkedOver: BgJonson79: FarkedOver: Nabb1: FarkedOver: Nabb1: "Intellectual property," eh? So you do drug patents or something?

Sadly.

So you personally profit not only from the labor of others but off of putting up barriers to many poor people obtaining medicine?

Personally profiting and making a living are two different things.

How?

Profit implies surplus.  Making a living means I don't want to die by starving or being exposed to the elements.  I work because I have to.  Owners of industry make obscene profits because..... 90 million is better than 89 million!!! Fark my workers!

So you have no consumer goods in your house?


How did we get to consumer goods? People think of socialism and communism and the abolition of private property as a bad thing.  They think commies are going to come in and seize their xbox or take their watch all in the name of the people.  The abolition of private property simply means to abolish private property that is used to exploit workers.  Let workers run the factories and produce consumer goods.
 
2013-04-08 10:53:57 AM

FlashHarry: m1ke: Damn, you libs really hate her.  She must have been doing something right!

libs ended slavery. are you pro slavery?


So did Republicans ;-)
 
2013-04-08 10:54:01 AM

beta_plus: does NHS cover butt hurt?


Unfortunately no. It also does not cover when your arse grows and your humanity shrinks to the point where all you are is an arse...
 
2013-04-08 10:54:17 AM

GoldSpider: FarkedOver: The theory is it should be an international movement.

It also depends largely on ideological purity for it to work, which means it often must be enforced at the point of a gun.


Yes.  I agree with that point of view as well.  Workers should be armed for eventual capitalist backlash if they do stage a revolution.
 
2013-04-08 10:54:27 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-04-08 10:55:06 AM

vygramul: But few ideologies state that it's the best for us but won't work for you. They all pretty much claim to be the best for everyone period.


Which is true, after the culling.
 
2013-04-08 10:55:15 AM

Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.


The argument is that he's a hypocrite.
 
2013-04-08 10:56:13 AM
t2.gstatic.com

my dad had this hanging in our basement for as long as I can remember
 
2013-04-08 10:56:27 AM

BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.


Thank you for making my point.
 
2013-04-08 10:56:45 AM

vygramul: muck4doo: Challenge ran again. Where did I ever laugh at Kennedy dieing or any popular lib. Go ahead, find it. Some of you act so disgusting in pretend of what has happened before.

You're expressing disgust at libs. That suggests you think conservatives don't do it. So it's not a matter of finding something YOU said, but if there's a number of such dancing on graves of liberals. (Obviously, one or two comments wouldn't be enough.)

Let's pick one. Name a liberal politician who died recently and warranted a thread on fark. Let us see if there were conservatives crowing. If there were, you should amend your complaint to people in general who do this, not just level your ire at liberals while ignoring conservatives who do the same thing.

/I had a drink when Osama got nailed
//I'll have a drink when Castro finally gets to meet his maker


If Fark conservatives are doing it too, it is disgusting, and they should be thrown to the trash. I really don't get the hate. Libs and Cons both want to try to improve the country in different ways. Neither goes into their thinking that they want to destroy the country. When we start looking at each other that we're done. Funny thing I have noticed, loony far left and loony far right often find themselves agreeing on things.
 
2013-04-08 10:56:46 AM

FarkedOver: Workers should be armed for eventual capitalist backlash if they do stage a revolution.


Can I assume you are skeptical of government's ongoing efforts to restrict private gun ownership?
 
2013-04-08 10:56:56 AM

FarkedOver: BgJonson79: FarkedOver: BgJonson79: FarkedOver: Nabb1: FarkedOver: Nabb1: "Intellectual property," eh? So you do drug patents or something?

Sadly.

So you personally profit not only from the labor of others but off of putting up barriers to many poor people obtaining medicine?

Personally profiting and making a living are two different things.

How?

Profit implies surplus.  Making a living means I don't want to die by starving or being exposed to the elements.  I work because I have to.  Owners of industry make obscene profits because..... 90 million is better than 89 million!!! Fark my workers!

So you have no consumer goods in your house?

How did we get to consumer goods? People think of socialism and communism and the abolition of private property as a bad thing.  They think commies are going to come in and seize their xbox or take their watch all in the name of the people.  The abolition of private property simply means to abolish private property that is used to exploit workers.  Let workers run the factories and produce consumer goods.


Having consumer goods implies surplus.
 
2013-04-08 10:57:13 AM

BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.


But that says nothing about his basic premise.  Hypocrites can have valid ideas.
 
2013-04-08 10:58:00 AM

Fart_Machine: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.

Thank you for making my point.


How can his point be valid if he's not living it?
 
2013-04-08 10:58:54 AM

Lost Thought 00: TheShavingofOccam123: TV's Vinnie: Marine1: Like her or not, she helped precipitated the fall of the Soviet Union, which was far more evil than any of her policies. Rest in peace.

Well no. I was also alive during that time, and therefore, I had as much to do with the downfall of the Soviet Union as she or Reagan did.

No one brought down the Soviets. They did it to themselves. Their system simply.stopped.working.

[michellesegar.com image 228x270] [www.sweettaterblog.com image 311x248]

et al. brought down the Soviet Union...IMHO

The Soviets didn't fall, they simply went into hibernation. Putin has reawakened

reenslaved them

FTFMS

/thanks to oil and corruption
 
2013-04-08 10:59:08 AM

BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.

Thank you for making my point.

How can his point be valid if he's not living it?


Just because someone doesn't practice what they preach does not automatically invalidate what they preach.
 
2013-04-08 10:59:16 AM

BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.

Thank you for making my point.

How can his point be valid if he's not living it?


Basic logic?
 
2013-04-08 10:59:24 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.

But that says nothing about his basic premise.  Hypocrites can have valid ideas.


True but the validity is questionable if they don't follow the ideas they're espousing.
 
2013-04-08 10:59:46 AM

GoldSpider: FarkedOver: Workers should be armed for eventual capitalist backlash if they do stage a revolution.

Can I assume you are skeptical of government's ongoing efforts to restrict private gun ownership?


I am against efforts to restrict gun ownership, yes.
 
2013-04-08 11:00:02 AM

muck4doo: vygramul: muck4doo: Challenge ran again. Where did I ever laugh at Kennedy dieing or any popular lib. Go ahead, find it. Some of you act so disgusting in pretend of what has happened before.

You're expressing disgust at libs. That suggests you think conservatives don't do it. So it's not a matter of finding something YOU said, but if there's a number of such dancing on graves of liberals. (Obviously, one or two comments wouldn't be enough.)

Let's pick one. Name a liberal politician who died recently and warranted a thread on fark. Let us see if there were conservatives crowing. If there were, you should amend your complaint to people in general who do this, not just level your ire at liberals while ignoring conservatives who do the same thing.

/I had a drink when Osama got nailed
//I'll have a drink when Castro finally gets to meet his maker

If Fark conservatives are doing it too, it is disgusting, and they should be thrown to the trash. I really don't get the hate. Libs and Cons both want to try to improve the country in different ways. Neither goes into their thinking that they want to destroy the country. When we start looking at each other that we're done. Funny thing I have noticed, loony far left and loony far right often find themselves agreeing on things.


True enough.
 
2013-04-08 11:00:21 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.

Thank you for making my point.

How can his point be valid if he's not living it?

Just because someone doesn't practice what they preach does not automatically invalidate what they preach.


It just means they don't believe it ;-)
 
2013-04-08 11:00:45 AM

NateGrey: Congrats on making it on the show.


Thanks.

For the record, I don't celebrate anyone's death. I sure as hell celebrated the woman's retirement, though.
 
2013-04-08 11:01:32 AM

FarkedOver: I am against efforts to restrict gun ownership, yes.


Credit where it's due, you're consistent there.
 
2013-04-08 11:01:52 AM

BgJonson79: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.

But that says nothing about his basic premise.  Hypocrites can have valid ideas.

True but the validity is questionable if they don't follow the ideas they're espousing.


No it's not, they're separate arguments
 
2013-04-08 11:02:25 AM
I am saddened.
The best politician these islands have had in many a generation.

I acknowledge that there are those who did/do not agree with her politics and they are entitled to their opinion, as am I.

Rest in Peace, Maggie.
 
2013-04-08 11:02:35 AM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.

Thank you for making my point.

How can his point be valid if he's not living it?

Basic logic?


He's saying collectivist policies are great but he's not following them. Why not follow them unless something else is better?
 
2013-04-08 11:03:15 AM
www.myconfinedspace.com

/Rip Mags
 
2013-04-08 11:03:17 AM
usedwigs.com

RIP Todd Margaret

/a true English gentleman, raised in Leeds
 
2013-04-08 11:03:32 AM
So, what would be the protocols for a Maggie Death Party?  What would be the drink of choice?  How should they dress?  And what will be the curfew before the bobbies come out with the billy clubs?
 
2013-04-08 11:03:56 AM

BgJonson79: Why not follow them unless something else is better?


Current entrenchment in a system that would deny his continued survival if he followed them?

Are you this dense?
 
2013-04-08 11:04:07 AM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: BgJonson79: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.

But that says nothing about his basic premise.  Hypocrites can have valid ideas.

True but the validity is questionable if they don't follow the ideas they're espousing.

No it's not, they're separate arguments


Why not follow a good idea?
 
2013-04-08 11:04:15 AM

FlashHarry: m1ke: Damn, you libs really hate her.  She must have been doing something right!

libs ended slavery. are you pro slavery?


On Fark, the lack of caps to start sentences means 100% guaranteed troll attempt. Weaver started it, and it's now spread like wildfire.
 
2013-04-08 11:04:17 AM
She was great on her own sitcom:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2DnW5uC1_A
 
2013-04-08 11:05:02 AM

FarkinNortherner: Even if you applauded her policies, even if you think that the miners' strike had to be broken by any means, even if you think privatisation is the only appropriate response to the use of state assets, there's still this:



Margaret Thatcher with Augusto Pinochet, in 1999. Google 'DINA' if you don't know anything about Pinochet's time in government and/or you want to spend the day feeling nauseated.


I am getting one hell of a history lesson today...
 
2013-04-08 11:05:40 AM

BgJonson79: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: BgJonson79: Fart_Machine: Epoch_Zero: A visual representation of this thread, featuring  FarkedOver:

It's also a pretty good illustration of ad hominem. Nobody is addressing his argument; they're berating his job and retirement plan.

The argument is that he's a hypocrite.

Thank you for making my point.

How can his point be valid if he's not living it?

Just because someone doesn't practice what they preach does not automatically invalidate what they preach.

It just means they don't believe it ;-)


Lenin had a good quote regarding "principles". He actually signed peace treaties with capitalist nations to conclude WWI on the Russian front.  Was it the right thing to do ideologically? Of course not. Was it the right thing to do strategically? Of course.  Living in a capitalist society means people on the (far) left have to exist within its frame work and some times have to do capitalist things.  Even if I had a robust retirement account, would that be bad for me when I can no longer work and take care of myself? Of course it wouldn't be bad strategically, ideologically it sucks but you have to do what you have to do.  I don't begrudge any comrade with a 401k or a PS3.  I begrudge anyone who actively seeks to exploit and dominate others for accumulating wealth as some sort of fetish.
 
2013-04-08 11:05:47 AM

vygramul: I can tell you're not a REAL Scotsman, as I'm sure you'll be hearing soon enough from actual ones.


Most of us (with the notable exception of the rabid protestant unionists) are too busy dancing in the streets.

/I wish I believed in hell
 
2013-04-08 11:06:44 AM

Civil_War2_Time: There's no hate like liberal hate!


And, as usual, you don't address the facts relating to the hate, because you can't. You have to then attack the messenger as the message is incontrovertible.

She was an architect of the grand kleptocracy.
 
2013-04-08 11:06:53 AM
muck4doo:

. Libs and Cons both want to try to improve the country in different ways. Neither goes into their thinking that they want to destroy the country. When we start looking at each other that we're done. Funny thing I have noticed, loony far left and loony far right often find themselves agreeing on things.

Man, stop saying things like this, they are demonstrably false.
You have a very, very naïve world view if these are your true opinions.
 
2013-04-08 11:06:59 AM
"if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all."

I am therefore going to keep my opinions on Thatcher and RIP jokes to myself.
 
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