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(The Daily Beast)   So, the much feared Sequester was much ado about nothing, you say? Turns out all the sound and fury did signify something, and that something has been the most unkindest cut of all   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 48
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2013-04-08 12:31:37 PM
5 votes:

Ivandrago: cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I'm equally angry at both sides for it.

But how should I vote?

/seriously, it's the GOPs fault. They didn't want to raise taxes on wealthy people.

I'm angry at the people and the institution, so I don't know how I'll vote or how anyone should vote.
 To me if you set something in place that's supposed to hurt so much you come to a deal, you should probably come to a deal. It's like they dropped this landmine from a helicopter and promised to disarm it before the people walked over it. Well they didn't and now I'm screwed out of a job, my friend in my USMS is furloughed, the FBI told me I won't hear from them until July at the earliest to find out if I can even test, but because of the sequester the next classes won't be happening until FY14 anyway. The FBI said they can put a class through every two weeks, but now they can't. It's all a cute abstraction from Washington.


But the Republicans refuse to deal. They have made pledges saying they will not raise taxes EVER for any situation. The Democrats have already said they are willing to make cuts, even to programs they like as long as that is balanced with tax increases.

Saying both sides are bad because one side completely refuses to negotiate isn't very fair.
2013-04-08 12:31:30 PM
3 votes:

Ivandrago: To me if you set something in place that's supposed to hurt so much you come to a deal, you should probably come to a deal.


I agree. And the Dems were willing to come to a deal. The Dems were/are willing to make spending cuts. The GOP absolutely said no raising taxes on the top 1%. Therefore, the GOP was the one at fault.
2013-04-08 12:07:51 PM
3 votes:
The solution is obvious. Elect a repub to the White House, then the deficit will cease to matter and we can go back to business as usual. Until then, America must suffer for electing and re-electing the black guy. Take that, you biatch!
2013-04-08 04:40:36 PM
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.

I lost a very likely spot at ORNL.

And those classes will never be offered again in your lifetimes, I'm sure.


In other words, you're not affected, so those guys can just f*ck right off!
2013-04-08 04:18:11 PM
2 votes:
I work for a nonprofit agency that provides work programs and residential care for developmentally disabled adults. Sequester hit us very hard- they laid off and fired people who'd been working at the corporate level for decades. So far, most of us residential people are safe but I'm jumping ship ASAP.
Weirdly enough, I got a call today from the county wanting to interview me for a mental health counseling position. The government must be doing better than the nonprofits if they can afford to hire right now.
2013-04-08 03:53:55 PM
2 votes:
My wife works for a grant funded program where she provides counseling to school children (and families) with mental health issues. Looks like due to the sequester her program might get cut. However, the local school district is paying for additional cops to be in every school in the district full time so I guess we only care about them when they go absolutely crazy and bring a gun to school.
2013-04-08 02:59:42 PM
2 votes:

Ivandrago: but I hold them both responsible for thinking this was somehow a good idea.


Nobody thought it was a good idea.
2013-04-08 01:54:33 PM
2 votes:

Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game


Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.
2013-04-08 01:33:07 PM
2 votes:
I love how it's the liberals who understood from the beginning how farked up the sequester is, and the footdragging still-butthurt-about-Obama-being-re-elected social conservatives that still think that 2 million jobs and a trillion dollars in cuts across the board is somebody "crying wolf."
2013-04-08 01:33:00 PM
2 votes:
I have several pilot friends, and they're screaming bloody murder about the tower closings at many GA airfields due to the sequester.  One alternative solution that has been proposed is to have usage fees - basically a payment to take off or land on the runway - to pay for the tower personnel.  Seems to me like a very "conservative" solution, but nope.  Apparently, US taxpayers should subsidize what for almost all of them is an expensive hobby.  Almost all of these folks voted Republican, and are completely unable to see the irony.
2013-04-08 01:10:46 PM
2 votes:

Ivandrago: I'm definitely not a BSABSVR guy, I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game. I'm bitter right now. I should be prepping for FLETC, not the damn bar exam.


So it's the Democrats fault for the Republicans doing what they are doing? Republicans actions are the responsibility of the Democrats? What do you think they should have done exactly?
2013-04-08 12:53:33 PM
2 votes:

Ivandrago: I certainly blame the republicans more, but I hold them both responsible for thinking this was somehow a good idea. It took both of them to make this happen, and I hate the intransigence of republicans when it comes to taxes on top level earners. But the democrats should have known what they were dealing with and come up with a different plan.
It's very easy to sit here at home and spit venom at both sides, I just try and spit a little more at the republicans. I really wanted to be a U.S. Marshal.


The problem there was no different plan because the Republicans refused to play ball two years ago when the sequester was implemented.  This was a last ditch effort to get them to come to the table with anything.  All the deal from two years did was kick the can down the road to 12/31/12, and then down the road again to 3/1/13.  Republicans were going to cause economic damage instead of raise taxes.  All the sequester deal did was delay it.

And now that the Republicans are whining about sequester problems in THEIR districts, it just makes me want to send well-written letters to each of them that basically say, "Fark you."
2013-04-08 12:42:12 PM
2 votes:

Ivandrago: I hold them both responsible for thinking this was somehow a good idea. It took both of them to make this happen,


You do realize that the alternative, thanks to the GOP, was default? Would you rather have that? The sequester was the only thing the Dems could get the GOP to agree to in order to avoid default.

Sometimes both sides are not bad.
2013-04-08 11:25:36 AM
2 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: ...disabled tenants in California who will lose their housing vouchers, the elderly cancer patients in South Carolina who are being denied their chemotherapytreatment...

oh noes!  The moochers aren't getting their handouts!  Why don't these bums go out and get jobs?  If we didn't take care of all these burdensome and unproductive parasite, America would be so much better!


Ah, a fan of the Republican Health Care Plan, I see.

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2013-04-08 10:55:28 AM
2 votes:
Well, obviously the only solution is to enact an American austerity program and slash the social safety net programs.

Only a few short weeks after we saved the "temporary" Bush tax cuts from ever expiring

/Otherwise known as tax cuts for the rich while you screw the poor.
//Thanks Obama
2013-04-08 06:26:08 PM
1 votes:

hugram: going $85 billion a year less in debt but I think you see where I'm going.


Morbo: Economies do not work that way, puny earthling.

Economies work on confidence - if people think the future is good, they are more likely to start businesses, spend saving, go into debt etc. The scale depends on the state of the economy at the time - if governments cut spending when the economy is booming, it has little or no effect on confidence. If it does it, and especially if it does it very conspicuously so every hears about all the massive cuts taking place, then it can even have a much bigger drop in the economy than the size of the actual cuts, which obvious then feeds on to drops in tax revenue and increases in unemployment (from decreases in employment that would otherwise would have happened if the economy wasn't undermined).

Also governments tax people...you may have noticed this. This includes taxing people that the government pays to work for them, both direct taxes (social security, income taxes) and indirectly (sales taxes, etc.) So because about 30% of US GDP is taxed, a $85b drop in payments to government workers (which due to the nature of the sequester, it is massively disproportionately on wages rather than other spending), and because a lot of the taxes are reductions in earnings rather than extra people employed/not employed it also effectively would have been taxed at the highest rate those government workers earn, so together this also means about another $15-25b drop in tax revenues.

The other thing is the nature of the cuts - by putting government workers in the firing line as a political punching bag, essentially you are highlighting to people that working for the US government is a risky proposition for your finances compared to before, so either they will have to pay more money to get the same talent on average to factor in that risk, or they will get worse workers for the same money. In some cases you get a similar issue with continuity - things like the science funding awards cycle over many years as scientific progress doesn't work in modular financial year leaps forward, so if funding drops all of a sudden in one year, the majority of existing programs can't really be cut, so that means pretty much no new grants will go out for this year. Of course scientists aren't going to sit and wait twiddling their thumbs for a year with no money, so you will probably get a brain drain to foreign countries and other industries - not based on merit, just whoever happens to be up for renewal or new projects this year, so effectively playing russian roulette with future scientific discoveries and researchers.

A fourth thing to consider is the largely unplanned, unstructured and inflexible nature of the sequester - if you planned to you could find and remove the least valuable programs, and avoid cutting a few dollars in some program even though you know it will cost a million dollars - say like if you were building a bridge and only funded it 95% of the way over the river the entire program ends up being a waste of money. The sequester is set up to do the maximum damage to programs it can by not allowing any shuffling around like this to minimize the impact of the cuts.

Personally I think the sequester is almost certain to be the worst thing any tax cutter ever dreamed of - the damage is going to build up and be so visible and damaging and affect so many people badly that significant government spending cuts will be politically impossible for a generation. Everyone is going to know someone who has been hit by it sooner or later - a friend, or family member, etc. Essentially the sequester could be said to be designed to give government spending cuts a bad name, and there is a lot to suggest this will be the case.
2013-04-08 05:19:06 PM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.

I lost a very likely spot at ORNL.

And those classes will never be offered again in your lifetimes, I'm sure.


You have no idea what ORNL is, do you?
2013-04-08 04:54:33 PM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.

I lost a very likely spot at ORNL.

And those classes will never be offered again in your lifetimes, I'm sure.


Yeah, I'm in my 30's and you've only got so much time it's harder and harder to stay for enough to get through FLETC the older you get. So while they will probably offer classes in the future, I would have liked to do it sooner rather than later.
2013-04-08 04:31:52 PM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: ...disabled tenants in California who will lose their housing vouchers, the elderly cancer patients in South Carolina who are being denied their chemotherapytreatment...

oh noes!  The moochers aren't getting their handouts!  Why don't these bums go out and get jobs?  If we didn't take care of all these burdensome and unproductive parasite, America would be so much better!


But it's really bad in some places. Did you know that job creators in Wyoming have to pony up their own funds to plow park roads? It's one thing when the poor and sick are kicked off the dole, but when God-fearing job creators have to pay out of their own pockets, well, that's just going too far.
2013-04-08 04:29:47 PM
1 votes:

Ivandrago: I'm definitely not a BSABSVR guy, I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game. I'm bitter right now. I should be prepping for FLETC, not the damn bar exam.


Democrats got their problems.  Big one is a helluva lot of 'em have started drinking the Austrian Flavor-Aid and believe the lie that tax cuts increase revenues.  Another is they're weak, always playing nice and talking diplomacy instead of punching belligerents in the face.  Finally they're not always RIGHT on their spending, they're just more likely to be right than the GOP.

And so goddamn many voters either vote STUPID, or throw up their hands and don't vote at all.  Spitting venom at both sides instead of getting out and DOING.

Ivandrago: It's very easy to sit here at home and spit venom at both sides, I just try and spit a little more at the republicans. I really wanted to be a U.S. Marshal.


Run for office?    I realize that these days the only folks who seem to get anywhere are the ones who were born into it (another problem) or at least started early, but there are important offices out there that could use people who actually care.  I would if I didn't have certain personal problems* precluding me from running.  Also I sound fat and my knees are like steak knives.

*what's the diplomatic term for "ugly and bad personality"?
2013-04-08 04:19:29 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game

Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.

It took a crystal ball to know Republicans wouldn't go along with tax increases?

They did eventually, didn't they?

Openly being a DNC shill today I see.


Is that what you call "being honest" now?
2013-04-08 04:02:41 PM
1 votes:

TelemonianAjax: My undergrad school was the basis for the David Spade clique.


Yeah, my current graduate institution (or at least my department in the social sciences/humanities) could very well be the basis for the various PC cliques.

Let's just say, they didn't respond well when I said I don't study gender.  Saying that as a white heterosexual male just made it ten times worse.
2013-04-08 03:21:18 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: ArkPanda: Wait, so FLETC is closing down?  That's kind of a big farking deal.

FLETC is Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which is where every single federal agency (except the FBI) trains their new agents.  That's going to gum up the works for a lot of agencies.

So it will hobble the ATF?

Your friends have already done that, no director for years.

So there *IS* a silver lining after all.


You know, it's one thing to be a gun nut who thinks absolutely no laws about guns (except those encouraging the use of them) should ever be passed ever.  It's another thing to think it's great when we can't even enforce the laws we have due to pure obstruction.

/have you tagged as "likes to threaten armed rebellion."
2013-04-08 03:11:22 PM
1 votes:

Empty Matchbook: Raharu: SlothB77: The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.

Do they call you Sloth because its like you're not even trying?

Always love when they self-identify.

/oh TheDumbBlonde, how I miss your trolling ways

cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game

Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.

It's less "Dems can't see the future" and more "Dems keep expecting Lucy not to pull away the football."


Aesop had a story about this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farmer_and_the_Viper
2013-04-08 03:07:53 PM
1 votes:

Tomahawk513: cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game

Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.

He's right in that I agree, Democrats should have known better.  However, what a sad state our country is in when one political party finds itself expected to play parent to the other.


Party of personal responsibility.
2013-04-08 02:55:55 PM
1 votes:

cabbyman: Anonymous Bosch: This is, once again, entirely the Republicans' fault. The sequester was only proposed because they forced it. And they got what they wanted.

The brilliance of the sequester, which I will gladly attribute to Obama, is that it is an across-the-board cut. Everybody hurts in some way or another. A very expensive object lesson in what exactly government does for you. Not that I expect any of the usual suspects to get this lesson or accept it if they do.

But: here's your austerity, cocksuckers. It's not just hitting poors and browns despite your best efforts, and the sacred military wasn't spared either. Like it? Didn't think so.

Like it?  WE LOVE IT!


Then man up and publicly own up to it. Why is the GOP blaming Obama for the consequences of the sequester when, according to you, the GOP loves the consequences of the sequester?
2013-04-08 02:46:19 PM
1 votes:
This is, once again, entirely the Republicans' fault. The sequester was only proposed because they forced it. And they got what they wanted.

The brilliance of the sequester, which I will gladly attribute to Obama, is that it is an across-the-board cut. Everybody hurts in some way or another. A very expensive object lesson in what exactly government does for you. Not that I expect any of the usual suspects to get this lesson or accept it if they do.

But: here's your austerity, cocksuckers. It's not just hitting poors and browns despite your best efforts, and the sacred military wasn't spared either. Like it? Didn't think so.
2013-04-08 02:37:20 PM
1 votes:
It's almost like austerity has a negative effect on growth.  If only there was a tried and tested theory about what spending does to a nation's economy.
2013-04-08 02:28:36 PM
1 votes:
You don't need to bother having a conversation with anyone who honestly thought the effects of the sequester would be felt within the week. Seriously. They're too stupid to be worth engaging.

Walk away, turn the channel, do anything other than expose yourself to toxic levels of stupid.
2013-04-08 02:11:06 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game

Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.


He's right in that I agree, Democrats should have known better.  However, what a sad state our country is in when one political party finds itself expected to play parent to the other.
2013-04-08 01:35:38 PM
1 votes:

Corvus: Ivandrago: I'm definitely not a BSABSVR guy, I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game. I'm bitter right now. I should be prepping for FLETC, not the damn bar exam.

So it's the Democrats fault for the Republicans doing what they are doing? Republicans actions are the responsibility of the Democrats? What do you think they should have done exactly?


Yeah I got the shaft for sequestration too, but the Republican alternative was welching on US debt. I'd prefer having the six-month notice I just got to find a new job, as opposed to being out on my ass a whole year and a half ago with no warning.
2013-04-08 01:09:33 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: ArkPanda: Wait, so FLETC is closing down?  That's kind of a big farking deal.

FLETC is Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which is where every single federal agency (except the FBI) trains their new agents.  That's going to gum up the works for a lot of agencies.

So it will hobble the ATF?


Your friends have already done that, no director for years.
2013-04-08 01:06:39 PM
1 votes:
Welcome to 2009, sequester victims.
2013-04-08 01:06:33 PM
1 votes:

ArkPanda: Wait, so FLETC is closing down?  That's kind of a big farking deal.

FLETC is Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which is where every single federal agency (except the FBI) trains their new agents.  That's going to gum up the works for a lot of agencies.


It's not closing down, so far as I'm aware. They're just not opening up as many new classes as they normally would. I got an email from the ATF about their new class. Now, I have no desire to be an ATF agent, but it means FLETC is at least staying open. I'm sure instructors are being furloughed, though.

cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I hold them both responsible for thinking this was somehow a good idea. It took both of them to make this happen,

You do realize that the alternative, thanks to the GOP, was default? Would you rather have that? The sequester was the only thing the Dems could get the GOP to agree to in order to avoid default.

Sometimes both sides are not bad.


I'm definitely not a BSABSVR guy, I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game. I'm bitter right now. I should be prepping for FLETC, not the damn bar exam.
2013-04-08 01:02:07 PM
1 votes:

ArkPanda: Wait, so FLETC is closing down?  That's kind of a big farking deal.

FLETC is Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which is where every single federal agency (except the FBI) trains their new agents.  That's going to gum up the works for a lot of agencies.


So it will hobble the ATF?
2013-04-08 12:43:42 PM
1 votes:
Wait, so FLETC is closing down?  That's kind of a big farking deal.

FLETC is Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which is where every single federal agency (except the FBI) trains their new agents.  That's going to gum up the works for a lot of agencies.
2013-04-08 12:27:28 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I'm equally angry at both sides for it.

But how should I vote?

/seriously, it's the GOPs fault. They didn't want to raise

let "temporary" taxes tax cuts on wealthy people expire.
2013-04-08 12:15:15 PM
1 votes:

Ivandrago: I'm equally angry at both sides for it.


But how should I vote?

/seriously, it's the GOPs fault. They didn't want to raise taxes on wealthy people.
2013-04-08 12:11:53 PM
1 votes:

Ivandrago: Oh, I'm definitely a moocher. I've only ever worked for government in one capacity or another. Military, Public Defender's Office. Trying for federal law enforcement. I also get disability from injuries I sustained while in the Army. I'm such a taker! (A very good friend told me I was a thief because I received disability)


I'm going to have to know the exact nature and extent of you injuries in order to make a moral judgement regarding your worthiness to accept disability payments. I'm not against them, per se, but it's vitally important I be able to determine your level of American Hero-ness before I say if its okay for you to get money for being injured while in the "Army", if you know what I mean.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to work sitting in a comfortable chair in an air conditioned building.
2013-04-08 12:08:39 PM
1 votes:

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.

Law Enforcement? Government job? MOOCHER!

(I don't really think you're a moocher)


Oh, I'm definitely a moocher. I've only ever worked for government in one capacity or another. Military, Public Defender's Office. Trying for federal law enforcement. I also get disability from injuries I sustained while in the Army. I'm such a taker! (A very good friend told me I was a thief because I received disability)

GAT_00: Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.

I lost a very likely spot at ORNL.


Sucks. Do you have another job? I was pining all my post-law school hopes on USMS and now I've got nothing. I'm equally angry at both sides for it.
2013-04-08 12:00:55 PM
1 votes:

Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.


I lost a very likely spot at ORNL.
2013-04-08 12:00:14 PM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: ...disabled tenants in California who will lose their housing vouchers, the elderly cancer patients in South Carolina who are being denied their chemotherapytreatment...

oh noes!  The moochers aren't getting their handouts!  Why don't these bums go out and get jobs?  If we didn't take care of all these burdensome and unproductive parasite, America would be so much better!


They can't be moochers...'cuz they're white and vote Republican!
2013-04-08 11:58:41 AM
1 votes:
Republicans welcome this ripple effect of the sequester.

When the DOW hits record highs with the total job market so weak, the sequester is the fabricated silver lining.

Some businesses can get too big and fail. And other businesses are just waiting to eat the bottom feeders.

1. Claim the sequester weakened the economy to the breaking point
2. Justify another round of layoffs
3. Profit
2013-04-08 11:56:11 AM
1 votes:

SlothB77: The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.


Do they call you Sloth because its like you're not even trying?
2013-04-08 11:50:49 AM
1 votes:
I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.
2013-04-08 11:01:42 AM
1 votes:

SlothB77: The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.


With a Republican Mayor of Arlington and a Republican Governor of Virginia, I too blame Obama.
2013-04-08 10:56:03 AM
1 votes:

SlothB77: The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.


Holy fark, a project that must have gotten approved last year was finished!  THE SEQUESTER NEVER HAPPENED AND HERE IS THE PROOF.

Retard.
2013-04-08 10:48:05 AM
1 votes:
The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.
 
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