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2013-04-08 10:28:22 AM
The snark is strong in this one.
 
2013-04-08 10:48:05 AM
The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.
 
2013-04-08 10:55:28 AM
Well, obviously the only solution is to enact an American austerity program and slash the social safety net programs.

Only a few short weeks after we saved the "temporary" Bush tax cuts from ever expiring

/Otherwise known as tax cuts for the rich while you screw the poor.
//Thanks Obama
 
2013-04-08 10:56:03 AM

SlothB77: The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.


Holy fark, a project that must have gotten approved last year was finished!  THE SEQUESTER NEVER HAPPENED AND HERE IS THE PROOF.

Retard.
 
2013-04-08 11:01:42 AM

SlothB77: The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.


With a Republican Mayor of Arlington and a Republican Governor of Virginia, I too blame Obama.
 
2013-04-08 11:05:58 AM
I don't trust Gutter, not after his performance at his Senate Judiciary Committee confirmation hearing.
 
2013-04-08 11:08:40 AM
...disabled tenants in California who will lose their housing vouchers, the elderly cancer patients in South Carolina who are being denied their chemotherapytreatment...

oh noes!  The moochers aren't getting their handouts!  Why don't these bums go out and get jobs?  If we didn't take care of all these burdensome and unproductive parasite, America would be so much better!
 
2013-04-08 11:25:36 AM

Lionel Mandrake: ...disabled tenants in California who will lose their housing vouchers, the elderly cancer patients in South Carolina who are being denied their chemotherapytreatment...

oh noes!  The moochers aren't getting their handouts!  Why don't these bums go out and get jobs?  If we didn't take care of all these burdensome and unproductive parasite, America would be so much better!


Ah, a fan of the Republican Health Care Plan, I see.

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2013-04-08 11:47:22 AM
An ungrateful child?
 
2013-04-08 11:50:49 AM
I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.
 
2013-04-08 11:56:11 AM

SlothB77: The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.


Do they call you Sloth because its like you're not even trying?
 
2013-04-08 11:56:12 AM

dittybopper: I don't trust Gutter, not after his performance at his Senate Judiciary Committee confirmation hearing.


Should have exhaled.
 
2013-04-08 11:58:41 AM
Republicans welcome this ripple effect of the sequester.

When the DOW hits record highs with the total job market so weak, the sequester is the fabricated silver lining.

Some businesses can get too big and fail. And other businesses are just waiting to eat the bottom feeders.

1. Claim the sequester weakened the economy to the breaking point
2. Justify another round of layoffs
3. Profit
 
2013-04-08 12:00:14 PM

Lionel Mandrake: ...disabled tenants in California who will lose their housing vouchers, the elderly cancer patients in South Carolina who are being denied their chemotherapytreatment...

oh noes!  The moochers aren't getting their handouts!  Why don't these bums go out and get jobs?  If we didn't take care of all these burdensome and unproductive parasite, America would be so much better!


They can't be moochers...'cuz they're white and vote Republican!
 
2013-04-08 12:00:55 PM

Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.


I lost a very likely spot at ORNL.
 
2013-04-08 12:01:05 PM

Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.


Law Enforcement? Government job? MOOCHER!

(I don't really think you're a moocher)
 
2013-04-08 12:07:51 PM
The solution is obvious. Elect a repub to the White House, then the deficit will cease to matter and we can go back to business as usual. Until then, America must suffer for electing and re-electing the black guy. Take that, you biatch!
 
2013-04-08 12:08:39 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.

Law Enforcement? Government job? MOOCHER!

(I don't really think you're a moocher)


Oh, I'm definitely a moocher. I've only ever worked for government in one capacity or another. Military, Public Defender's Office. Trying for federal law enforcement. I also get disability from injuries I sustained while in the Army. I'm such a taker! (A very good friend told me I was a thief because I received disability)

GAT_00: Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.

I lost a very likely spot at ORNL.


Sucks. Do you have another job? I was pining all my post-law school hopes on USMS and now I've got nothing. I'm equally angry at both sides for it.
 
2013-04-08 12:11:53 PM

Ivandrago: Oh, I'm definitely a moocher. I've only ever worked for government in one capacity or another. Military, Public Defender's Office. Trying for federal law enforcement. I also get disability from injuries I sustained while in the Army. I'm such a taker! (A very good friend told me I was a thief because I received disability)


I'm going to have to know the exact nature and extent of you injuries in order to make a moral judgement regarding your worthiness to accept disability payments. I'm not against them, per se, but it's vitally important I be able to determine your level of American Hero-ness before I say if its okay for you to get money for being injured while in the "Army", if you know what I mean.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to work sitting in a comfortable chair in an air conditioned building.
 
2013-04-08 12:12:02 PM
Strategy: Make the economy scream!
 
2013-04-08 12:15:15 PM

Ivandrago: I'm equally angry at both sides for it.


But how should I vote?

/seriously, it's the GOPs fault. They didn't want to raise taxes on wealthy people.
 
2013-04-08 12:16:20 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Ivandrago: Oh, I'm definitely a moocher. I've only ever worked for government in one capacity or another. Military, Public Defender's Office. Trying for federal law enforcement. I also get disability from injuries I sustained while in the Army. I'm such a taker! (A very good friend told me I was a thief because I received disability)

I'm going to have to know the exact nature and extent of you injuries in order to make a moral judgement regarding your worthiness to accept disability payments. I'm not against them, per se, but it's vitally important I be able to determine your level of American Hero-ness before I say if its okay for you to get money for being injured while in the "Army", if you know what I mean.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to work sitting in a comfortable chair in an air conditioned building.


If I had been wounded, I would have punched him. All I did was carry a machine gun and fall off a lot of things, like MRAPs, HMMWV, obstacles in basic training, I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff. I have a low American Hero Quotient.
 
2013-04-08 12:27:28 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I'm equally angry at both sides for it.

But how should I vote?

/seriously, it's the GOPs fault. They didn't want to raise

let "temporary" taxes tax cuts on wealthy people expire.
 
2013-04-08 12:27:59 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I'm equally angry at both sides for it.

But how should I vote?

/seriously, it's the GOPs fault. They didn't want to raise taxes on wealthy people.


I'm angry at the people and the institution, so I don't know how I'll vote or how anyone should vote.
 To me if you set something in place that's supposed to hurt so much you come to a deal, you should probably come to a deal. It's like they dropped this landmine from a helicopter and promised to disarm it before the people walked over it. Well they didn't and now I'm screwed out of a job, my friend in my USMS is furloughed, the FBI told me I won't hear from them until July at the earliest to find out if I can even test, but because of the sequester the next classes won't be happening until FY14 anyway. The FBI said they can put a class through every two weeks, but now they can't. It's all a cute abstraction from Washington.
 
2013-04-08 12:29:14 PM
The sequester certainly hit my team badly, as all DOD contracts were frozen starting last fall. So we're having to farm out our work to foreign governments to keep afloat. Having seen brain drain in other countries (e.g. Canada) it's surprising to find that happening to us.
 
2013-04-08 12:31:30 PM

Ivandrago: To me if you set something in place that's supposed to hurt so much you come to a deal, you should probably come to a deal.


I agree. And the Dems were willing to come to a deal. The Dems were/are willing to make spending cuts. The GOP absolutely said no raising taxes on the top 1%. Therefore, the GOP was the one at fault.
 
2013-04-08 12:31:37 PM

Ivandrago: cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I'm equally angry at both sides for it.

But how should I vote?

/seriously, it's the GOPs fault. They didn't want to raise taxes on wealthy people.

I'm angry at the people and the institution, so I don't know how I'll vote or how anyone should vote.
 To me if you set something in place that's supposed to hurt so much you come to a deal, you should probably come to a deal. It's like they dropped this landmine from a helicopter and promised to disarm it before the people walked over it. Well they didn't and now I'm screwed out of a job, my friend in my USMS is furloughed, the FBI told me I won't hear from them until July at the earliest to find out if I can even test, but because of the sequester the next classes won't be happening until FY14 anyway. The FBI said they can put a class through every two weeks, but now they can't. It's all a cute abstraction from Washington.


But the Republicans refuse to deal. They have made pledges saying they will not raise taxes EVER for any situation. The Democrats have already said they are willing to make cuts, even to programs they like as long as that is balanced with tax increases.

Saying both sides are bad because one side completely refuses to negotiate isn't very fair.
 
2013-04-08 12:39:45 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: To me if you set something in place that's supposed to hurt so much you come to a deal, you should probably come to a deal.

I agree. And the Dems were willing to come to a deal. The Dems were/are willing to make spending cuts. The GOP absolutely said no raising taxes on the top 1%. Therefore, the GOP was the one at fault.


I certainly blame the republicans more, but I hold them both responsible for thinking this was somehow a good idea. It took both of them to make this happen, and I hate the intransigence of republicans when it comes to taxes on top level earners. But the democrats should have known what they were dealing with and come up with a different plan.
It's very easy to sit here at home and spit venom at both sides, I just try and spit a little more at the republicans. I really wanted to be a U.S. Marshal.
 
2013-04-08 12:42:12 PM

Ivandrago: I hold them both responsible for thinking this was somehow a good idea. It took both of them to make this happen,


You do realize that the alternative, thanks to the GOP, was default? Would you rather have that? The sequester was the only thing the Dems could get the GOP to agree to in order to avoid default.

Sometimes both sides are not bad.
 
2013-04-08 12:43:42 PM
Wait, so FLETC is closing down?  That's kind of a big farking deal.

FLETC is Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which is where every single federal agency (except the FBI) trains their new agents.  That's going to gum up the works for a lot of agencies.
 
2013-04-08 12:49:05 PM
"Most unkindest"?
 
2013-04-08 12:49:34 PM

Ivandrago: carry a machine gun and fall off a lot of things


I think I'd like to go drinking with you .... if I find out I have a terminal illness.
 
2013-04-08 12:53:33 PM

Ivandrago: I certainly blame the republicans more, but I hold them both responsible for thinking this was somehow a good idea. It took both of them to make this happen, and I hate the intransigence of republicans when it comes to taxes on top level earners. But the democrats should have known what they were dealing with and come up with a different plan.
It's very easy to sit here at home and spit venom at both sides, I just try and spit a little more at the republicans. I really wanted to be a U.S. Marshal.


The problem there was no different plan because the Republicans refused to play ball two years ago when the sequester was implemented.  This was a last ditch effort to get them to come to the table with anything.  All the deal from two years did was kick the can down the road to 12/31/12, and then down the road again to 3/1/13.  Republicans were going to cause economic damage instead of raise taxes.  All the sequester deal did was delay it.

And now that the Republicans are whining about sequester problems in THEIR districts, it just makes me want to send well-written letters to each of them that basically say, "Fark you."
 
2013-04-08 12:59:11 PM
In sponsoring the amendment, the senators said they are trying to protect meat and poultry jobs. Some have estimated that the furloughs, which would take place at more than 6,000 meat plants, would cost about 500,000 workers nearly $400 million in wages.

"This amendment solves a very pressing issue that impacts each and every American," Sen. Blunt said. "Without this funding, every meat, poultry and egg processing facility in the country would be forced to shut down for up to two weeks. That means high food prices and less work for the hardworking Americans who work in these facilities nationwide."


http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2013/03/senate-approves-measure-to-a void -meat-inspector-furloughs/#.UWLzMb39Fwh

If you've got a couple of Repub. Senators (Blunt/Pryor) then you can tweak the sequester however you like:  USDA forced to trans 55 million to their Food Safety Inspection Service to keep all those chickens cleaned and farkable...
 
2013-04-08 01:02:07 PM

ArkPanda: Wait, so FLETC is closing down?  That's kind of a big farking deal.

FLETC is Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which is where every single federal agency (except the FBI) trains their new agents.  That's going to gum up the works for a lot of agencies.


So it will hobble the ATF?
 
2013-04-08 01:03:07 PM

mrshowrules: SlothB77: The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.

With a Republican Mayor of Arlington and a Republican Governor of Virginia, I too blame Obama.


Know how I know you don't live there?  Arlington is probably the most heavily Democratic county in the whole Commonwealth.  And yes, the Board does love it some expensive boondoggles paid for with other people's money.

Oh, and I used to work for the government as an attorney until I was thrown off the fiscal cliff (my agency refused to extend any permanent offers, everyone hired since last year was an NTE), so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.  Yeah, it sucks for the D.C. area and all of us current and former government monkeys.  But the rest of the country probably won't even notice.  We are not nearly as important as we think we are.

/landed on my feet, minus a -25% pay cut
//not even mad
///my agency was a joke anyway
 
2013-04-08 01:03:51 PM
Has FOX started talking about anything other than White House tours yet?
 
2013-04-08 01:06:01 PM

dittybopper: ArkPanda: Wait, so FLETC is closing down?  That's kind of a big farking deal.

FLETC is Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which is where every single federal agency (except the FBI) trains their new agents.  That's going to gum up the works for a lot of agencies.

So it will hobble the ATF?


Yes.  You don't have to worry about your compound being raided...for now.
 
2013-04-08 01:06:33 PM

ArkPanda: Wait, so FLETC is closing down?  That's kind of a big farking deal.

FLETC is Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which is where every single federal agency (except the FBI) trains their new agents.  That's going to gum up the works for a lot of agencies.


It's not closing down, so far as I'm aware. They're just not opening up as many new classes as they normally would. I got an email from the ATF about their new class. Now, I have no desire to be an ATF agent, but it means FLETC is at least staying open. I'm sure instructors are being furloughed, though.

cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I hold them both responsible for thinking this was somehow a good idea. It took both of them to make this happen,

You do realize that the alternative, thanks to the GOP, was default? Would you rather have that? The sequester was the only thing the Dems could get the GOP to agree to in order to avoid default.

Sometimes both sides are not bad.


I'm definitely not a BSABSVR guy, I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game. I'm bitter right now. I should be prepping for FLETC, not the damn bar exam.
 
2013-04-08 01:06:39 PM
Welcome to 2009, sequester victims.
 
2013-04-08 01:09:33 PM

dittybopper: ArkPanda: Wait, so FLETC is closing down?  That's kind of a big farking deal.

FLETC is Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which is where every single federal agency (except the FBI) trains their new agents.  That's going to gum up the works for a lot of agencies.

So it will hobble the ATF?


Your friends have already done that, no director for years.
 
2013-04-08 01:10:46 PM

Ivandrago: I'm definitely not a BSABSVR guy, I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game. I'm bitter right now. I should be prepping for FLETC, not the damn bar exam.


So it's the Democrats fault for the Republicans doing what they are doing? Republicans actions are the responsibility of the Democrats? What do you think they should have done exactly?
 
2013-04-08 01:12:59 PM
Ivandrago:I'm definitely not a BSABSVR guy, I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game.

I'm pretty sure they did know that this is how it was most likely to go.  There just wasn't a better option.  If take the chance it will work out later or get screwed now are your only two options the choice is obvious.
 
2013-04-08 01:33:00 PM
I have several pilot friends, and they're screaming bloody murder about the tower closings at many GA airfields due to the sequester.  One alternative solution that has been proposed is to have usage fees - basically a payment to take off or land on the runway - to pay for the tower personnel.  Seems to me like a very "conservative" solution, but nope.  Apparently, US taxpayers should subsidize what for almost all of them is an expensive hobby.  Almost all of these folks voted Republican, and are completely unable to see the irony.
 
2013-04-08 01:33:07 PM
I love how it's the liberals who understood from the beginning how farked up the sequester is, and the footdragging still-butthurt-about-Obama-being-re-elected social conservatives that still think that 2 million jobs and a trillion dollars in cuts across the board is somebody "crying wolf."
 
2013-04-08 01:35:38 PM

Corvus: Ivandrago: I'm definitely not a BSABSVR guy, I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game. I'm bitter right now. I should be prepping for FLETC, not the damn bar exam.

So it's the Democrats fault for the Republicans doing what they are doing? Republicans actions are the responsibility of the Democrats? What do you think they should have done exactly?


Yeah I got the shaft for sequestration too, but the Republican alternative was welching on US debt. I'd prefer having the six-month notice I just got to find a new job, as opposed to being out on my ass a whole year and a half ago with no warning.
 
2013-04-08 01:39:28 PM
That's right, Shakepeare
 
2013-04-08 01:54:33 PM

Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game


Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.
 
2013-04-08 02:11:06 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game

Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.


He's right in that I agree, Democrats should have known better.  However, what a sad state our country is in when one political party finds itself expected to play parent to the other.
 
2013-04-08 02:11:59 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game

Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.


It took a crystal ball to know Republicans wouldn't go along with tax increases?
 
2013-04-08 02:14:53 PM

Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game

Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.

It took a crystal ball to know Republicans wouldn't go along with tax increases?


They did eventually, didn't they?
 
2013-04-08 02:26:09 PM
NEWSFLASH:  Ex-Obama speechwriter thinks "REPUBLICANS BAD!!!"
 
2013-04-08 02:28:36 PM
You don't need to bother having a conversation with anyone who honestly thought the effects of the sequester would be felt within the week. Seriously. They're too stupid to be worth engaging.

Walk away, turn the channel, do anything other than expose yourself to toxic levels of stupid.
 
2013-04-08 02:37:20 PM
It's almost like austerity has a negative effect on growth.  If only there was a tried and tested theory about what spending does to a nation's economy.
 
2013-04-08 02:46:19 PM
This is, once again, entirely the Republicans' fault. The sequester was only proposed because they forced it. And they got what they wanted.

The brilliance of the sequester, which I will gladly attribute to Obama, is that it is an across-the-board cut. Everybody hurts in some way or another. A very expensive object lesson in what exactly government does for you. Not that I expect any of the usual suspects to get this lesson or accept it if they do.

But: here's your austerity, cocksuckers. It's not just hitting poors and browns despite your best efforts, and the sacred military wasn't spared either. Like it? Didn't think so.
 
2013-04-08 02:48:35 PM

Anonymous Bosch: This is, once again, entirely the Republicans' fault. The sequester was only proposed because they forced it. And they got what they wanted.

The brilliance of the sequester, which I will gladly attribute to Obama, is that it is an across-the-board cut. Everybody hurts in some way or another. A very expensive object lesson in what exactly government does for you. Not that I expect any of the usual suspects to get this lesson or accept it if they do.

But: here's your austerity, cocksuckers. It's not just hitting poors and browns despite your best efforts, and the sacred military wasn't spared either. Like it? Didn't think so.


Like it?  WE LOVE IT!
 
2013-04-08 02:53:31 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game

Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.

It took a crystal ball to know Republicans wouldn't go along with tax increases?

They did eventually, didn't they?


Openly being a DNC shill today I see.
 
2013-04-08 02:55:55 PM

cabbyman: Anonymous Bosch: This is, once again, entirely the Republicans' fault. The sequester was only proposed because they forced it. And they got what they wanted.

The brilliance of the sequester, which I will gladly attribute to Obama, is that it is an across-the-board cut. Everybody hurts in some way or another. A very expensive object lesson in what exactly government does for you. Not that I expect any of the usual suspects to get this lesson or accept it if they do.

But: here's your austerity, cocksuckers. It's not just hitting poors and browns despite your best efforts, and the sacred military wasn't spared either. Like it? Didn't think so.

Like it?  WE LOVE IT!


Then man up and publicly own up to it. Why is the GOP blaming Obama for the consequences of the sequester when, according to you, the GOP loves the consequences of the sequester?
 
2013-04-08 02:59:42 PM

Ivandrago: but I hold them both responsible for thinking this was somehow a good idea.


Nobody thought it was a good idea.
 
2013-04-08 03:02:26 PM

Lionel Mandrake: dittybopper: ArkPanda: Wait, so FLETC is closing down?  That's kind of a big farking deal.

FLETC is Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which is where every single federal agency (except the FBI) trains their new agents.  That's going to gum up the works for a lot of agencies.

So it will hobble the ATF?

Yes.  You don't have to worry about your compound being raided...for now.


I've got a compound?  For a couple bolt actions, a flintlock, and some bows?

/Man, that "arsenal inflation" is a biatch, ain't it?
 
2013-04-08 03:03:13 PM

HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: ArkPanda: Wait, so FLETC is closing down?  That's kind of a big farking deal.

FLETC is Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which is where every single federal agency (except the FBI) trains their new agents.  That's going to gum up the works for a lot of agencies.

So it will hobble the ATF?

Your friends have already done that, no director for years.


So there *IS* a silver lining after all.
 
2013-04-08 03:06:54 PM

GAT_00: Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.

I lost a very likely spot at ORNL.



Oh yeah?
I had a position lined up at NORML, but I forgot about it......played disc golf instead.
 
2013-04-08 03:07:53 PM

Tomahawk513: cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game

Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.

He's right in that I agree, Democrats should have known better.  However, what a sad state our country is in when one political party finds itself expected to play parent to the other.


Party of personal responsibility.
 
2013-04-08 03:07:59 PM

Raharu: SlothB77: The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.

Do they call you Sloth because its like you're not even trying?


Always love when they self-identify.

/oh TheDumbBlonde, how I miss your trolling ways

cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game

Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.


It's less "Dems can't see the future" and more "Dems keep expecting Lucy not to pull away the football."
 
2013-04-08 03:09:25 PM

hugram: cabbyman: Anonymous Bosch: This is, once again, entirely the Republicans' fault. The sequester was only proposed because they forced it. And they got what they wanted.

The brilliance of the sequester, which I will gladly attribute to Obama, is that it is an across-the-board cut. Everybody hurts in some way or another. A very expensive object lesson in what exactly government does for you. Not that I expect any of the usual suspects to get this lesson or accept it if they do.

But: here's your austerity, cocksuckers. It's not just hitting poors and browns despite your best efforts, and the sacred military wasn't spared either. Like it? Didn't think so.

Like it?  WE LOVE IT!

Then man up and publicly own up to it. Why is the GOP blaming Obama for the consequences of the sequester when, according to you, the GOP loves the consequences of the sequester?


Because Obama is in charge and supposedly the buck stops there, that's why.  The GOP raised taxes in exchange for cuts.  Obama didn't want cuts so they GOP took his awesome idea and ran with it!  Now America is saving $85 billion a year for the future of freedom!

To be honest we're going $85 billion a year less in debt but I think you see where I'm going.  Be happy!  America will still be here when your kids are ready to enjoy it too!
 
2013-04-08 03:11:22 PM

Empty Matchbook: Raharu: SlothB77: The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.

Do they call you Sloth because its like you're not even trying?

Always love when they self-identify.

/oh TheDumbBlonde, how I miss your trolling ways

cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game

Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.

It's less "Dems can't see the future" and more "Dems keep expecting Lucy not to pull away the football."


Aesop had a story about this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farmer_and_the_Viper
 
2013-04-08 03:15:06 PM

cabbyman: hugram: cabbyman: Anonymous Bosch: This is, once again, entirely the Republicans' fault. The sequester was only proposed because they forced it. And they got what they wanted.

The brilliance of the sequester, which I will gladly attribute to Obama, is that it is an across-the-board cut. Everybody hurts in some way or another. A very expensive object lesson in what exactly government does for you. Not that I expect any of the usual suspects to get this lesson or accept it if they do.

But: here's your austerity, cocksuckers. It's not just hitting poors and browns despite your best efforts, and the sacred military wasn't spared either. Like it? Didn't think so.

Like it?  WE LOVE IT!

Then man up and publicly own up to it. Why is the GOP blaming Obama for the consequences of the sequester when, according to you, the GOP loves the consequences of the sequester?

Because Obama is in charge and supposedly the buck stops there, that's why.  The GOP raised taxes in exchange for cuts.  Obama didn't want cuts so they GOP took his awesome idea and ran with it!  Now America is saving $85 billion a year for the future of freedom!

To be honest we're going $85 billion a year less in debt but I think you see where I'm going.  Be happy!  America will still be here when your kids are ready to enjoy it too!


You didn't answer my question... why isn't the GOP openly owning up to it on how they love the consequences of the sequester?
 
2013-04-08 03:21:18 PM

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: dittybopper: ArkPanda: Wait, so FLETC is closing down?  That's kind of a big farking deal.

FLETC is Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which is where every single federal agency (except the FBI) trains their new agents.  That's going to gum up the works for a lot of agencies.

So it will hobble the ATF?

Your friends have already done that, no director for years.

So there *IS* a silver lining after all.


You know, it's one thing to be a gun nut who thinks absolutely no laws about guns (except those encouraging the use of them) should ever be passed ever.  It's another thing to think it's great when we can't even enforce the laws we have due to pure obstruction.

/have you tagged as "likes to threaten armed rebellion."
 
2013-04-08 03:25:44 PM

hugram: cabbyman: hugram: cabbyman: Anonymous Bosch: This is, once again, entirely the Republicans' fault. The sequester was only proposed because they forced it. And they got what they wanted.

The brilliance of the sequester, which I will gladly attribute to Obama, is that it is an across-the-board cut. Everybody hurts in some way or another. A very expensive object lesson in what exactly government does for you. Not that I expect any of the usual suspects to get this lesson or accept it if they do.

But: here's your austerity, cocksuckers. It's not just hitting poors and browns despite your best efforts, and the sacred military wasn't spared either. Like it? Didn't think so.

Like it?  WE LOVE IT!

Then man up and publicly own up to it. Why is the GOP blaming Obama for the consequences of the sequester when, according to you, the GOP loves the consequences of the sequester?

Because Obama is in charge and supposedly the buck stops there, that's why.  The GOP raised taxes in exchange for cuts.  Obama didn't want cuts so they GOP took his awesome idea and ran with it!  Now America is saving $85 billion a year for the future of freedom!

To be honest we're going $85 billion a year less in debt but I think you see where I'm going.  Be happy!  America will still be here when your kids are ready to enjoy it too!

You didn't answer my question... why isn't the GOP openly owning up to it on how they love the consequences of the sequester?


Because politics, that's why.  Hell, who knows if they love it or not.  I do.  That doesn't mean "they" do.

We can't keep going $1 trillion further into debt each year and think there are no consequences to it.  The fact that the feds had to take a teeny, tiny haircut is a good thing.  Obama could make it easy on the military and save them a ton of money by pulling the troops out of the Middle East.

He's in charge of the army.  He could do that.  Imagine all that money we'd save!
 
2013-04-08 03:25:53 PM

cabbyman: NEWSFLASH:  Ex-Obama speechwriter thinks "REPUBLICANS BAD!!!"


Deflection noted.
 
2013-04-08 03:31:01 PM

meat0918: cabbyman: NEWSFLASH:  Ex-Obama speechwriter thinks "REPUBLICANS BAD!!!"

Deflection noted.


Notation noted.
 
2013-04-08 03:37:52 PM

cabbyman: hugram: cabbyman: hugram: cabbyman: Anonymous Bosch: This is, once again, entirely the Republicans' fault. The sequester was only proposed because they forced it. And they got what they wanted.

The brilliance of the sequester, which I will gladly attribute to Obama, is that it is an across-the-board cut. Everybody hurts in some way or another. A very expensive object lesson in what exactly government does for you. Not that I expect any of the usual suspects to get this lesson or accept it if they do.

But: here's your austerity, cocksuckers. It's not just hitting poors and browns despite your best efforts, and the sacred military wasn't spared either. Like it? Didn't think so.

Like it?  WE LOVE IT!

Then man up and publicly own up to it. Why is the GOP blaming Obama for the consequences of the sequester when, according to you, the GOP loves the consequences of the sequester?

Because Obama is in charge and supposedly the buck stops there, that's why.  The GOP raised taxes in exchange for cuts.  Obama didn't want cuts so they GOP took his awesome idea and ran with it!  Now America is saving $85 billion a year for the future of freedom!

To be honest we're going $85 billion a year less in debt but I think you see where I'm going.  Be happy!  America will still be here when your kids are ready to enjoy it too!

You didn't answer my question... why isn't the GOP openly owning up to it on how they love the consequences of the sequester?

Because politics, that's why.  Hell, who knows if they love it or not.  I do.  That doesn't mean "they" do.

We can't keep going $1 trillion further into debt each year and think there are no consequences to it.  The fact that the feds had to take a teeny, tiny haircut is a good thing.  Obama could make it easy on the military and save them a ton of money by pulling the troops out of the Middle East.

He's in charge of the army.  He could do that.  Imagine all that money we'd save!


And he can't move them without Congress authorizing the funds to do so.

I'd love to get out of the clusterfark that is the Middle East.
 
2013-04-08 03:40:18 PM

dittybopper: I don't trust Gutter, not after his performance at his Senate Judiciary Committee confirmation hearing.


Did he at least manage to pick up the keg this time?

/too obscure?
 
2013-04-08 03:47:45 PM

TelemonianAjax: too obscure?


PCU?
 
2013-04-08 03:53:51 PM
You mean a program that a bipartisan commission came up with that was designed to be so unpalatable that no one in their right mind would adopt it turned out to be bad?

THE HELL YOU SAY!

Quick!  Cut social security and Medicare some more before the Republicans stiffen their resolve again!  GOD, democrats are retarded.  Dig your heels in you farkers!
 
2013-04-08 03:53:55 PM
My wife works for a grant funded program where she provides counseling to school children (and families) with mental health issues. Looks like due to the sequester her program might get cut. However, the local school district is paying for additional cops to be in every school in the district full time so I guess we only care about them when they go absolutely crazy and bring a gun to school.
 
2013-04-08 03:56:48 PM

The Name: TelemonianAjax: too obscure?

PCU?


Hey hey / Ho ho / This penis party's got to go!

/My undergrad school was the basis for the David Spade clique.  Watched it in HS, enjoyed it.  Watched it after college and nearly wet myself it was so spot on.
//CT blue laws really do close the stores at 6PM, which really does lead to college kids wandering, confused and dejected, at 6:05.  For a year after I graduated and moved back home, I kept calling my buddies at 4 on a Saturday frantic to plan for the night so we could stock up, much to their confusion.
///Don't go back and rewatch.  As with Mallrats and most other early-90s pop culture, seeing something you loved age horribly due to the speed of social change is incredibly jarring.
 
2013-04-08 04:02:41 PM

TelemonianAjax: My undergrad school was the basis for the David Spade clique.


Yeah, my current graduate institution (or at least my department in the social sciences/humanities) could very well be the basis for the various PC cliques.

Let's just say, they didn't respond well when I said I don't study gender.  Saying that as a white heterosexual male just made it ten times worse.
 
2013-04-08 04:08:34 PM

The Name: Let's just say, they didn't respond well when I said I don't study gender.  Saying that as a white heterosexual male just made it ten times worse.


Clearly, you have only one move: 

torontoist.com
 
2013-04-08 04:13:07 PM
And he never had the nerve to make The Final Cut.

991.com
 
2013-04-08 04:18:11 PM
I work for a nonprofit agency that provides work programs and residential care for developmentally disabled adults. Sequester hit us very hard- they laid off and fired people who'd been working at the corporate level for decades. So far, most of us residential people are safe but I'm jumping ship ASAP.
Weirdly enough, I got a call today from the county wanting to interview me for a mental health counseling position. The government must be doing better than the nonprofits if they can afford to hire right now.
 
2013-04-08 04:19:29 PM

GAT_00: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game

Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.

It took a crystal ball to know Republicans wouldn't go along with tax increases?

They did eventually, didn't they?

Openly being a DNC shill today I see.


Is that what you call "being honest" now?
 
2013-04-08 04:29:47 PM

Ivandrago: I'm definitely not a BSABSVR guy, I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game. I'm bitter right now. I should be prepping for FLETC, not the damn bar exam.


Democrats got their problems.  Big one is a helluva lot of 'em have started drinking the Austrian Flavor-Aid and believe the lie that tax cuts increase revenues.  Another is they're weak, always playing nice and talking diplomacy instead of punching belligerents in the face.  Finally they're not always RIGHT on their spending, they're just more likely to be right than the GOP.

And so goddamn many voters either vote STUPID, or throw up their hands and don't vote at all.  Spitting venom at both sides instead of getting out and DOING.

Ivandrago: It's very easy to sit here at home and spit venom at both sides, I just try and spit a little more at the republicans. I really wanted to be a U.S. Marshal.


Run for office?    I realize that these days the only folks who seem to get anywhere are the ones who were born into it (another problem) or at least started early, but there are important offices out there that could use people who actually care.  I would if I didn't have certain personal problems* precluding me from running.  Also I sound fat and my knees are like steak knives.

*what's the diplomatic term for "ugly and bad personality"?
 
2013-04-08 04:31:52 PM

Lionel Mandrake: ...disabled tenants in California who will lose their housing vouchers, the elderly cancer patients in South Carolina who are being denied their chemotherapytreatment...

oh noes!  The moochers aren't getting their handouts!  Why don't these bums go out and get jobs?  If we didn't take care of all these burdensome and unproductive parasite, America would be so much better!


But it's really bad in some places. Did you know that job creators in Wyoming have to pony up their own funds to plow park roads? It's one thing when the poor and sick are kicked off the dole, but when God-fearing job creators have to pay out of their own pockets, well, that's just going too far.
 
2013-04-08 04:32:06 PM
This is the most worstest headline of the day
 
2013-04-08 04:33:30 PM

GAT_00: SlothB77: The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.

Holy fark, a project that must have gotten approved last year was finished!  THE SEQUESTER NEVER HAPPENED AND HERE IS THE PROOF.

Retard.


True.  But that bus stop is a monstrous joke.  Heated floor so snow needn't be shoveled, but poor protection against wind or precipitation for passengers.
 
2013-04-08 04:36:36 PM

dittybopper: Lionel Mandrake: dittybopper: ArkPanda: Wait, so FLETC is closing down?  That's kind of a big farking deal.

FLETC is Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, which is where every single federal agency (except the FBI) trains their new agents.  That's going to gum up the works for a lot of agencies.

So it will hobble the ATF?

Yes.  You don't have to worry about your compound being raided...for now.

I've got a compound?  For a couple bolt actions, a flintlock, and some bows?

/Man, that "arsenal inflation" is a biatch, ain't it?


That's all you have?  Pussy.  I thought you loved America.
 
2013-04-08 04:36:39 PM

GAT_00: Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.

I lost a very likely spot at ORNL.


And those classes will never be offered again in your lifetimes, I'm sure.
 
2013-04-08 04:40:36 PM

BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.

I lost a very likely spot at ORNL.

And those classes will never be offered again in your lifetimes, I'm sure.


In other words, you're not affected, so those guys can just f*ck right off!
 
2013-04-08 04:41:25 PM

Jacobin: This is the most worstest headline of the day


It certainly could have been more better.
 
2013-04-08 04:49:49 PM

Mutated-Snoopy: Empty Matchbook: Raharu: SlothB77: The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.

Do they call you Sloth because its like you're not even trying?

Always love when they self-identify.

/oh TheDumbBlonde, how I miss your trolling ways

cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game

Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.

It's less "Dems can't see the future" and more "Dems keep expecting Lucy not to pull away the football."

Aesop had a story about this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farmer_and_the_Viper



"A Hausa tale from the north of Nigeria has certain details similar to Aesop in its treatment of ingratitude for favours rendered. A farmer hides a hunted snake by allowing it to creep up his anus. When the snake refuses to leave its comfortable quarters, a heron helps him to expel it. The man then asks how to neutralise the poison that the snake has left and the heron tells him to make a medicine of six white fowl. The man ties it up to make the first of his victims but his wife frees it. On leaving, the heron pecks out one of her eyes. The story-teller ends with the remark that 'if you see the dust of a fight rising, you will know that a kindness is being repaid'."


WTF did I just read?
 
2013-04-08 04:54:33 PM

BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.

I lost a very likely spot at ORNL.

And those classes will never be offered again in your lifetimes, I'm sure.


Yeah, I'm in my 30's and you've only got so much time it's harder and harder to stay for enough to get through FLETC the older you get. So while they will probably offer classes in the future, I would have liked to do it sooner rather than later.
 
2013-04-08 04:55:38 PM

GAT_00: SlothB77: The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.

Holy fark, a project that must have gotten approved last year was finished!  THE SEQUESTER NEVER HAPPENED AND HERE IS THE PROOF.

Retard.


I question that a municipality has ever finished anything in a year.  More like a project approved and funded in 2007 was finished, more likely.
 
2013-04-08 05:01:08 PM

cabbyman: NEWSFLASH:  Ex-Obama speechwriter thinks "REPUBLICANS BAD!!!"


NEWSFLASH: Fark Independent™ dismisses thoughtful critique with several examples of real-world consequences of Republicans' actions as "REPUBLICANS BAD!!!"
 
2013-04-08 05:04:26 PM

cabbyman: Because Obama is in charge and supposedly the buck stops there, that's why. The GOP raised taxes in exchange for cuts. Obama didn't want cuts so they GOP took his awesome idea and ran with it! Now America is saving $85 billion a year for the future of freedom!


Seriously, what color is the sky in your world?
 
2013-04-08 05:12:00 PM

TheBigJerk: *what's the diplomatic term for "ugly and bad personality"?


Treated Charisma as a dump stat?
 
2013-04-08 05:19:06 PM

BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.

I lost a very likely spot at ORNL.

And those classes will never be offered again in your lifetimes, I'm sure.


You have no idea what ORNL is, do you?
 
2013-04-08 05:23:06 PM

Evil High Priest: Ivandrago: but I hold them both responsible for thinking this was somehow a good idea.

Nobody thought it was a good idea.


Only because it did not go far enough and cut 1.5 trillion dollars out of the budget this year.

Yeah, to balance the budget without raising taxes we need to cut 1.5 trillion dollars.
 
2013-04-08 05:41:18 PM

nmrsnr: Lionel Mandrake: ...disabled tenants in California who will lose their housing vouchers, the elderly cancer patients in South Carolina who are being denied their chemotherapytreatment...

oh noes!  The moochers aren't getting their handouts!  Why don't these bums go out and get jobs?  If we didn't take care of all these burdensome and unproductive parasite, America would be so much better!

Ah, a fan of the Republican Health Care Plan, I see.

[i739.photobucket.com image 300x160]


Actually, the Republican health plan is more like: "Grow the hell up, buy insurance and take care of yourself you whiny infantile jackass!"
 
2013-04-08 05:48:11 PM

Mr. Eugenides: nmrsnr: Lionel Mandrake: ...disabled tenants in California who will lose their housing vouchers, the elderly cancer patients in South Carolina who are being denied their chemotherapytreatment...

oh noes!  The moochers aren't getting their handouts!  Why don't these bums go out and get jobs?  If we didn't take care of all these burdensome and unproductive parasite, America would be so much better!

Ah, a fan of the Republican Health Care Plan, I see.

[i739.photobucket.com image 300x160]

Actually, the Republican health plan is more like: "Grow the hell up, buy insurance and take care of yourself you whiny infantile jackass!"


So what you're saying is that the Republican plan completely ignores the reality of the market and places all the blame on the common man.  I guess that's just what Republicans do.
 
2013-04-08 05:50:52 PM

Lionel Mandrake: cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I'm equally angry at both sides for it.

But how should I vote?

/seriously, it's the GOPs fault. They didn't want to raise let "temporary" taxes tax cuts on wealthy people expire.


The thing is, the GOP didn't have the power to prevent the "temporary" Bush tax cuts from expiring. When the clock ran out, they were gone, unless the Democrats saved them.

So, of course, the Democrats saved them.

Now, a couple of weeks later, the Democrats are talking up how bad the Sequester is so they have an excuse to slash Medicaid and Social Security.

If you look closely, you can actually see where the hands of the obscenely wealthy are shoved up their ass so they can use them as puppets..

/Tax cuts for the rich.
//Fark the poor
 
2013-04-08 06:26:08 PM

hugram: going $85 billion a year less in debt but I think you see where I'm going.


Morbo: Economies do not work that way, puny earthling.

Economies work on confidence - if people think the future is good, they are more likely to start businesses, spend saving, go into debt etc. The scale depends on the state of the economy at the time - if governments cut spending when the economy is booming, it has little or no effect on confidence. If it does it, and especially if it does it very conspicuously so every hears about all the massive cuts taking place, then it can even have a much bigger drop in the economy than the size of the actual cuts, which obvious then feeds on to drops in tax revenue and increases in unemployment (from decreases in employment that would otherwise would have happened if the economy wasn't undermined).

Also governments tax people...you may have noticed this. This includes taxing people that the government pays to work for them, both direct taxes (social security, income taxes) and indirectly (sales taxes, etc.) So because about 30% of US GDP is taxed, a $85b drop in payments to government workers (which due to the nature of the sequester, it is massively disproportionately on wages rather than other spending), and because a lot of the taxes are reductions in earnings rather than extra people employed/not employed it also effectively would have been taxed at the highest rate those government workers earn, so together this also means about another $15-25b drop in tax revenues.

The other thing is the nature of the cuts - by putting government workers in the firing line as a political punching bag, essentially you are highlighting to people that working for the US government is a risky proposition for your finances compared to before, so either they will have to pay more money to get the same talent on average to factor in that risk, or they will get worse workers for the same money. In some cases you get a similar issue with continuity - things like the science funding awards cycle over many years as scientific progress doesn't work in modular financial year leaps forward, so if funding drops all of a sudden in one year, the majority of existing programs can't really be cut, so that means pretty much no new grants will go out for this year. Of course scientists aren't going to sit and wait twiddling their thumbs for a year with no money, so you will probably get a brain drain to foreign countries and other industries - not based on merit, just whoever happens to be up for renewal or new projects this year, so effectively playing russian roulette with future scientific discoveries and researchers.

A fourth thing to consider is the largely unplanned, unstructured and inflexible nature of the sequester - if you planned to you could find and remove the least valuable programs, and avoid cutting a few dollars in some program even though you know it will cost a million dollars - say like if you were building a bridge and only funded it 95% of the way over the river the entire program ends up being a waste of money. The sequester is set up to do the maximum damage to programs it can by not allowing any shuffling around like this to minimize the impact of the cuts.

Personally I think the sequester is almost certain to be the worst thing any tax cutter ever dreamed of - the damage is going to build up and be so visible and damaging and affect so many people badly that significant government spending cuts will be politically impossible for a generation. Everyone is going to know someone who has been hit by it sooner or later - a friend, or family member, etc. Essentially the sequester could be said to be designed to give government spending cuts a bad name, and there is a lot to suggest this will be the case.
 
2013-04-08 07:30:43 PM
I have sympathy to those people who have lost their jobs, lost hours, lost potential jobs or advancement due to the sequester.  I can only imagine how that ruins your day.  Because, it sucks.

At the same time, the US Government has continued to grow.  Congress has spent money they didn't have, and would never have.  How many times have we heard stories on how somebodies budget was being cut when it wasn't cut, it just wasn't growing as much as they would like.  Departments spending every dime they had this year to ensure that they didn't get any less money next year.  Departments that once created never go away.  Maybe the sequester will give congress the balls to look at the budget and truly decide that it's okay to do away with a government agency.  They may not need to have every FTE this year that they had last year.  Maybe spend the tax dollars in an intelligent, reasonable, maybe frugal manner.
 
2013-04-08 07:41:31 PM

BizarreMan: At the same time, the US Government has continued to grow.


Kind of like the population? Gosh.
 
2013-04-08 07:42:25 PM

BizarreMan: I have sympathy to those people who have lost their jobs, lost hours, lost potential jobs or advancement due to the sequester.  I can only imagine how that ruins your day.  Because, it sucks.

At the same time, the US Government has continued to grow.  Congress has spent money they didn't have, and would never have.  How many times have we heard stories on how somebodies budget was being cut when it wasn't cut, it just wasn't growing as much as they would like.  Departments spending every dime they had this year to ensure that they didn't get any less money next year.  Departments that once created never go away.  Maybe the sequester will give congress the balls to look at the budget and truly decide that it's okay to do away with a government agency.  They may not need to have every FTE this year that they had last year.  Maybe spend the tax dollars in an intelligent, reasonable, maybe frugal manner.


img.myconfinedspace.com
 
2013-04-08 08:18:00 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: An ungrateful child?


I believe that's "sharper than a serpent's tooth."
 
2013-04-08 09:14:32 PM

Corvus: Ivandrago: cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I'm equally angry at both sides for it.

But how should I vote?

/seriously, it's the GOPs fault. They didn't want to raise taxes on wealthy people.

I'm angry at the people and the institution, so I don't know how I'll vote or how anyone should vote.
 To me if you set something in place that's supposed to hurt so much you come to a deal, you should probably come to a deal. It's like they dropped this landmine from a helicopter and promised to disarm it before the people walked over it. Well they didn't and now I'm screwed out of a job, my friend in my USMS is furloughed, the FBI told me I won't hear from them until July at the earliest to find out if I can even test, but because of the sequester the next classes won't be happening until FY14 anyway. The FBI said they can put a class through every two weeks, but now they can't. It's all a cute abstraction from Washington.

But the Republicans refuse to deal. They have made pledges saying they will not raise taxes EVER for any situation. The Democrats have already said they are willing to make cuts, even to programs they like as long as that is balanced with tax increases.

Saying both sides are bad because one side completely refuses to negotiate isn't very fair.


They did agree to raise taxes. Three months ago. Were you asleep?
 
2013-04-08 09:19:08 PM
The sequester is not a bad thing. If you dont have the balls or political will to cut efficiently, across the board cuts are much preferable to throwing your hands up and saying "we tried but those mean democrats/republicans wouldn't let us be responsible".
 
2013-04-08 09:25:26 PM

Mutated-Snoopy: cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game

Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.

It's less "Dems can't see the future" and more "Dems keep expecting Lucy not to pull away the football."

Aesop had a story about this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farmer_and_the_Viper


Is the solution to beat the snake with a shovel and then cross the river on your own? Because I can appreciate the metaphor.
 
2013-04-08 10:01:36 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: The sequester is not a bad thing. If you dont have the balls or political will to cut efficiently, across the board cuts are much preferable to throwing your hands up and saying "we tried but those mean democrats/republicans wouldn't let us be responsible".


This is what boneheads actually believe.
 
2013-04-08 10:04:29 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: The sequester is not a bad thing. If you dont have the balls or political will to cut efficiently, across the board cuts are much preferable to throwing your hands up and saying "we tried but those mean democrats/republicans wouldn't let us be responsible".


So what does "efficiently" mean in your world? Does it mean "cut everything that I don't want, need or use"? Because that's usually how those who use that word (usually conservatives) use it, along with it's other red-meat cousin "fraud and waste".
 
2013-04-08 10:18:45 PM

rewind2846: Debeo Summa Credo: The sequester is not a bad thing. If you dont have the balls or political will to cut efficiently, across the board cuts are much preferable to throwing your hands up and saying "we tried but those mean democrats/republicans wouldn't let us be responsible".

So what does "efficiently" mean in your world? Does it mean "cut everything that I don't want, need or use"? Because that's usually how those who use that word (usually conservatives) use it, along with it's other red-meat cousin "fraud and waste".


I actually want a department of fraud and waste. Their whole job is to spend 3 billion dollars without accomplishing anything or lining the pockets of any lobbying group. Acceptable uses would be giant parties for made-up holidays, renting office supplies, investigating the nursery rhyme to determine who in fact stole the cookies from the cookie jar, and other general tomfoolery.

Then the Republicans will have an actual target to complain about and we as a society can move on.
 
2013-04-08 11:56:46 PM

Mutated-Snoopy: Empty Matchbook: Raharu: SlothB77: The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.

Do they call you Sloth because its like you're not even trying?

Always love when they self-identify.

/oh TheDumbBlonde, how I miss your trolling ways

cameroncrazy1984: Ivandrago: I just feel that democrats should have had the forethought to know that republicans would play this game

Oh right, the Dems should have had a crystal ball. Both sides are bad because the Dems can't see into the future.

It's less "Dems can't see the future" and more "Dems keep expecting Lucy not to pull away the football."

Aesop had a story about this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farmer_and_the_Viper


So did the First Nationer in Natural Born Killers...I think it went the same way...

/more use of the word "biatch" in NBK, though
 
2013-04-09 12:04:46 AM

Ivandrago: BarkingUnicorn: GAT_00: Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.

I lost a very likely spot at ORNL.

And those classes will never be offered again in your lifetimes, I'm sure.

Yeah, I'm in my 30's and you've only got so much time it's harder and harder to stay for enough to get through FLETC the older you get. So while they will probably offer classes in the future, I would have liked to do it sooner rather than later.



I hope you are on the low side of your 30s rather than the high side.  After 39 your expiration date to be a Fed LEO has come and gone but you probably know that.

I used to work for a Federal law enforcement agency myself (not as an agent, but as "support personnel) and it was the most bloated monstrosity.  There were four times as many managers as there needed to be, the majority of whom were retired Secret Service agents who not only were collecting full USSS retirement, but GS-15 equivalent paychecks.  So basically, about $200 g a year to come in late, take long lunches, do a couple of hours of GS-5 level clerical work a week, and leave early.  The agents themselves were great guys and gals, worked very long hours, and knew their shiat.  The management was horrid - I had to leave to keep my sanity.  I'm now a DoD civilian whose agency is responsible for the education of military children.  I won't get rich here but I love it - I work for the most ethical, caring people and they really do good work for the children of our servicemembers.

We were looking at 22 days of furlough.  Thank God it is down to 14 but that's still a paycheck I'm losing.  My previous agency isn't giving up anything (according to my friends who still work there).  Hey, as long as those ATSACs and ASACs keep rolling in the green, and the SAC continues to buy refills for his Mont Blanc pen on the government purchase card, America is safe, right?  Priorities!

I've heard that crap about "suckling from the taxpayer's teat" from a former friend of mine (I'm a DoD civilian, Air National Guard member, married to an active duty Airman) and I wanted to rip his larynx out barehanded.  This is the same kind of tool that was more than happy to have anyone in uniform put his or her ass on the line for the past 10 years and proudly had a yellow ribbon magnet. Now we are all moochers, apparently, and don't pay taxes or put anything back into the economy.
 
2013-04-09 12:15:04 AM

freetomato: After 39 37 your expiration date to be a Fed LEO has come and gone but you probably know that.


FTFM.  Left 4 years ago - kind of out of the loop anymore.  Still, worse odds than I remembered for guys like you.
 
2013-04-09 08:35:59 AM

xria: hugram: going $85 billion a year less in debt but I think you see where I'm going.

Morbo: Economies do not work that way, puny earthling.

Economies work on confidence - if people think the future is good, they are more likely to start businesses, spend saving, go into debt etc. The scale depends on the state of the economy at the time - if governments cut spending when the economy is booming, it has little or no effect on confidence. If it does it, and especially if it does it very conspicuously so every hears about all the massive cuts taking place, then it can even have a much bigger drop in the economy than the size of the actual cuts, which obvious then feeds on to drops in tax revenue and increases in unemployment (from decreases in employment that would otherwise would have happened if the economy wasn't undermined).

Also governments tax people...you may have noticed this. This includes taxing people that the government pays to work for them, both direct taxes (social security, income taxes) and indirectly (sales taxes, etc.) So because about 30% of US GDP is taxed, a $85b drop in payments to government workers (which due to the nature of the sequester, it is massively disproportionately on wages rather than other spending), and because a lot of the taxes are reductions in earnings rather than extra people employed/not employed it also effectively would have been taxed at the highest rate those government workers earn, so together this also means about another $15-25b drop in tax revenues.

The other thing is the nature of the cuts - by putting government workers in the firing line as a political punching bag, essentially you are highlighting to people that working for the US government is a risky proposition for your finances compared to before, so either they will have to pay more money to get the same talent on average to factor in that risk, or they will get worse workers for the same money. In some cases you get a similar issue with continuity - things ...


I did not say the $85B text you quoted me on. cabbyman made that statement. You should call him a "puny earthling"
 
2013-04-09 10:00:12 AM

mrshowrules: SlothB77: The sequester is so bad, localities are spending $1 Million dollars on bus stops.

With a Republican Mayor of Arlington and a Republican Governor of Virginia, I too blame Obama.


We have a mayor now?
 
2013-04-10 12:51:31 AM

BMulligan: "Most unkindest"?


Yup:

If Brutus so unkindly knocked, or no.For Brutus, as you know, was Caesar's angel.Judge, O you gods, how dearly Caesar loved him!This was the most unkindest cut of all.
 
2013-04-10 11:46:21 AM
HeartBurnKid: Mr. Eugenides: nmrsnr: Lionel Mandrake: ...disabled tenants in California who will lose their housing vouchers, the elderly cancer patients in South Carolina who are being denied their chemotherapytreatment...

oh noes!  The moochers aren't getting their handouts!  Why don't these bums go out and get jobs?  If we didn't take care of all these burdensome and unproductive parasite, America would be so much better!

Ah, a fan of the Republican Health Care Plan, I see.

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Actually, the Republican health plan is more like: "Grow the hell up, buy insurance and take care of yourself you whiny infantile jackass!"

So what you're saying is that the Republican plan completely ignores the reality of the market and places all the blame responsibility on the common man.  I guess that's just what Republicans do.

Fixed that for you.
 
2013-04-11 08:11:13 AM
Since 2010 the entire Republican economic agenda has been a budget authored by Paul Ryan that cuts far deeper than sequestration-a budget that would ultimately eliminate most government programs and services outside of Social Security, health care, and defense.

Ummm... the difference between the Ryan budget and the most spendy budget imaginable is only 1 or 2%. Absolutely meaningless.
 
2013-04-11 08:13:07 AM

Ivandrago: I was in the best qualified pile for a chance to go to FLETC to be a U.S. Marshal. They sent offers out for the first class in April. I didn't make that class but was probably going to make the second class in July. Sequestration cancelled that class and all potential classes until FY14. So yeah, the sequestration sucks.


No. It gives you the opportunity to get a job producing something for the economy, instead of a job where you're nothing more than a parasite.
 
2013-04-11 08:14:48 AM

Mercutio74: It's almost like austerity has a negative effect on growth.  If only there was a tried and tested theory about what spending does to a nation's economy.


Continuing to waste borrowed money on jobs that produce nothing will only make the inevitable crash worse. There is no realistic scenario that doesn't involve another Great Depression.
 
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