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(Novinite)   Anyone pooping their pants about Wikileaks' upcoming release of 1.3M Cold War era diplomatic cables is already a Depends user anyway   (novinite.com) divider line 39
    More: Interesting, Cold War, WikiLeaks, diplomatic cable, Henry Kissinger, National Archives and Records Administration, declassification, whistleblowing  
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2013-04-08 10:38:39 AM  
Would be curious about that thing in Iran.
 
2013-04-08 11:35:50 AM  
What is funny about wikileaks is that no one really cares. More people care about Duck Dynasty.
 
2013-04-08 11:35:59 AM  
Somewhat concerned:
t3.gstatic.com
 
2013-04-08 11:40:23 AM  
Actually there's quite a lot of stuff here in the basement. Been keeping it for 40-50 years just waiting for someone to want it.

images.fandango.com
 
2013-04-08 11:41:10 AM  
i48.tinypic.com

What's goin' on in here guys?
 
2013-04-08 11:44:47 AM  
Oh look, WikiLeaks is "leaking" 1.3 million documents which were already declassified and have just been sitting in the national archives.

Wake me up when they get something new.
 
2013-04-08 11:49:41 AM  
Great if you are a historian or a blogger easier to search than NARA
 
2013-04-08 11:52:03 AM  
Back in the days when these documents were created, guys like Assange probably just disappeared without anybody even knowing who they were or what they had. I think by now everybody knows cold war politics were shady and involved a lot of  unsavory characters and backroom deals.

Like  Rhino_man said above, wake me up when they have something interesting.
 
2013-04-08 11:56:42 AM  

buzzcut73: Back in the days when these documents were created, guys like Assange probably just disappeared without anybody even knowing who they were or what they had. I think by now everybody knows cold war politics were shady and involved a lot of  unsavory characters and backroom deals.

Like  Rhino_man said above, wake me up when they have something interesting.



Some orgs have tried to reclassify some of the docs and NARA uses pdf which is difficult to use.
 
2013-04-08 12:23:59 PM  

neversubmit: buzzcut73: Back in the days when these documents were created, guys like Assange probably just disappeared without anybody even knowing who they were or what they had. I think by now everybody knows cold war politics were shady and involved a lot of  unsavory characters and backroom deals.

Like  Rhino_man said above, wake me up when they have something interesting.


Some orgs have tried to reclassify some of the docs and NARA uses pdf which is difficult to use.


Don't get me wrong, it's great that they're putting them into a format which is easier to access, and a forum which makes them hard to rescind... but it's not exactly newsworthy.
 
2013-04-08 12:59:29 PM  
 So uhh, there's going to be another pope stepping down? awesome this has got to be a record of some kind.

Hypnozombie
 
2013-04-08 01:01:19 PM  

neversubmit: Great if you are a historian or a blogger easier to search than NARA


I know several historians who are probably a little unduly excited by this news. Easier access to records AND free publicity on the material? It's an academic's dream!
 
2013-04-08 01:01:37 PM  

Rhino_man: Oh look, WikiLeaks is "leaking" 1.3 million documents which were already declassified and have just been sitting in the national archives.

Wake me up when they get something new.


Pretty much this. Both sides, the US and the Soviets, did pretty horrible things in the Cold War, like fight massive proxy wars to prop up third world hellhole dictators because they supported one philosophy or another.

Only an idiot of history would besurprised about this stuff. I think Assange got tired of being ignored, and needs to wave the "woohoo, look at me" flag more. He's an epic attention whore. I'm sure he'll "creatively edit" some of the documents too.

neversubmit:NARA uses pdf which is difficult to use.

PDF is hard to use? For who? A first grader who doesn't know how to use The Pirate Bay?
 
2013-04-08 01:20:07 PM  

Rhino_man: neversubmit: buzzcut73: Back in the days when these documents were created, guys like Assange probably just disappeared without anybody even knowing who they were or what they had. I think by now everybody knows cold war politics were shady and involved a lot of  unsavory characters and backroom deals.

Like  Rhino_man said above, wake me up when they have something interesting.


Some orgs have tried to reclassify some of the docs and NARA uses pdf which is difficult to use.

Don't get me wrong, it's great that they're putting them into a format which is easier to access, and a forum which makes them hard to rescind... but it's not exactly newsworthy.


So... it's FARK? :)
 
2013-04-08 01:25:09 PM  
Wikileaks is the best hope of the people finding out about the secret clandestine bullshiat this country has done in the past 50+ years.

We really started sliding as a democracy when the NSA was created.

1948. You can mark the date on your calendar as to when this country really started farking up.
 
2013-04-08 01:26:21 PM  

hardinparamedic: Rhino_man: Oh look, WikiLeaks is "leaking" 1.3 million documents which were already declassified and have just been sitting in the national archives.

Wake me up when they get something new.

Pretty much this. Both sides, the US and the Soviets, did pretty horrible things in the Cold War, like fight massive proxy wars to prop up third world hellhole dictators because they supported one philosophy or another.

Only an idiot of history would besurprised about this stuff. I think Assange got tired of being ignored, and needs to wave the "woohoo, look at me" flag more. He's an epic attention whore. I'm sure he'll "creatively edit" some of the documents too.

neversubmit:NARA uses pdf which is difficult to use.

PDF is hard to use? For who? A first grader who doesn't know how to use The Pirate Bay?



Sigh, you don't know what you are talking about, Mr. Assange and Wikileaks are not one and the same he is running for a senate seat meanwhile Wikileaks keeps doing what it does.


New WikiLeaks cable reveals US embassy strategy to destabilize Chavez government

In a secret US cable published online by WikiLeaks, former ambassador to Venezuela, William Brownfield, outlines a comprehensive plan to infiltrate and destabilize former President Hugo Chavez' government.

Dispatched in November of 2006 by Brownfield - now an Assistant Secretary of State - the document outlined his embassy's five core objectives in Venezuela since 2004, which included: "penetrating Chavez' political base," "dividing Chavismo," "protecting vital US business" and "isolating Chavez internationally."
 
2013-04-08 01:29:56 PM  

whidbey: 1948. You can mark the date on your calendar as to when this country really started farking up.


The time when people were allowed to own other people in this country was entirely before 1948.  I'm not saying we didn't do some shady shiat in the cold war, but I think there are a lot of people who would disagree with the idea that 1950-1990 was the most shameful chapter in American history.
 
2013-04-08 01:38:32 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: but I think there are a lot of people who would disagree with the idea that 1950-1990 was the most shameful chapter in American history.


Yeah well the NSA set the stage for that. The CIA was born, and all of a sudden it was "OK" to start messing around in other countries' business because Monroe Doctrine.
 
2013-04-08 01:51:17 PM  

whidbey: Wikileaks is the best hope of the people finding out about the secret clandestine bullshiat this country has done in the past 50+ years.


It COULD be, but Assange is too busy censoring the information so we don't get the "wrong impression". I'm so glad he's there to protect us by making sure there's no questionable context to get in the way of our interpretation.
 
2013-04-08 01:59:58 PM  
hardinparamedic:
PDF is hard to use? For who? A first grader who doesn't know how to use The Pirate Bay?

I don't know the particulars here but if it's a non-searchable PDF, and there's a lot of material to go through...

On a tangent, I just attended a seminar about food traceability, and they recommended against PDFs for this very reason. Instead they said to use Word/Excel documents. Not sure how I feel about that...
 
2013-04-08 02:01:22 PM  
Anyone pooping their pants about Wikileaks' upcoming release of 1.3M Cold War era diplomatic cables is already a Depends user anyway

So, everyone in the Tea Party.
 
2013-04-08 02:16:24 PM  
I know this stuff has been out there for a while, but if they can get it into a more searchable format and ensure that it stays out in Internet-land for good, I say kudos.

I doubt anything in there will change the course of history, but it would be interesting to get some additional info about the Cold War era.
 
2013-04-08 02:22:43 PM  

hardinparamedic: Pretty much this. Both sides, the US and the Soviets, did pretty horrible things in the Cold War, like fight massive proxy wars to prop up third world hellhole dictators because they supported one philosophy or another.


We also did some awesome things.

Russia used to have a secure cable line running from the Kremlin to their largest / most northern naval base, running on the ocean bed.  During the Cold War we tapped it.  And they didn't discover this for years.   IIRC, they stumbled on it while doing maintenance, pulled the box off, and when they opened it up on the surface, the inside was stamped "Property of the US Government."

They have it on display at the Kremlin's Cold War museum in Moscow.

(I think we should have asked for it back.  For the lols.)
 
2013-04-08 02:37:43 PM  

vygramul: Assange is too busy censoring the information


What is he censoring?
 
2013-04-08 03:25:35 PM  

beta_plus: Wikileaks last big leak was to conspiracy theorists what the Phantom Menace was to Star Wars fans.

I was hoping that it would have all the JFK assassination records and the inventory of dead alien bodies at Area 51.

All it did was confirm the glaringly obvious.


But hey, at least Julian Assange got to become the ersatz voice of a generation!
 
2013-04-08 03:57:26 PM  

justtray: What is funny about wikileaks is that no one In America really cares. More people care about Duck Dynasty.


true.   not many rocket scientists left in america any more.  too busy watching the boob toob and texting on their cell phones.
 
2013-04-08 04:03:00 PM  

whidbey: vygramul: Assange is too busy censoring the information

What is he censoring?


You'll never know.
 
2013-04-08 04:04:29 PM  

vygramul: whidbey: vygramul: Assange is too busy censoring the information

What is he censoring?

You'll never know.


Well I mean maybe it's a good idea he Photoshopped the alien out of the picture at the Yalta summit. That might have really rustled some jimmies.
 
2013-04-08 04:17:49 PM  

whidbey: vygramul: whidbey: vygramul: Assange is too busy censoring the information

What is he censoring?

You'll never know.

Well I mean maybe it's a good idea he Photoshopped the alien out of the picture at the Yalta summit. That might have really rustled some jimmies.


And this delay before showing us the documentation is, what, making sure he's not hurting anyone? Just what do you think he's doing, these last few years, just trying to whet our appetite? Wasn't some of the creative editing on Collateral Murder enough?
 
2013-04-08 04:32:55 PM  
It was a weird time to grow up, that's for sure.
 
2013-04-08 04:39:49 PM  

vygramul: whidbey: vygramul: whidbey: vygramul: Assange is too busy censoring the information

What is he censoring?

You'll never know.

Well I mean maybe it's a good idea he Photoshopped the alien out of the picture at the Yalta summit. That might have really rustled some jimmies.

And this delay before showing us the documentation is, what, making sure he's not hurting anyone? Just what do you think he's doing, these last few years, just trying to whet our appetite? Wasn't some of the creative editing on Collateral Murder enough?


Honestly, I've never perused any of the Wikipedia documents.

I wasn't aware there was a question of Assange censoring material. I thought his intent was to produce information that governments have been keeping from the public.
 
2013-04-08 04:46:05 PM  

BMulligan: It was a weird time to grow up, that's for sure.


The Day After was a trip
 
2013-04-08 04:53:45 PM  

whidbey: BMulligan: It was a weird time to grow up, that's for sure.

The Day After was a trip


You're damn right it was.
 
2013-04-08 05:04:02 PM  
Oh, boy, archival reformatting of documents that have already been declassified and released, that's so rebellious.

Next they'll be applying the dewey decimal system to them or something equally shocking and excitizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
 
2013-04-08 05:11:37 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: hardinparamedic: Pretty much this. Both sides, the US and the Soviets, did pretty horrible things in the Cold War, like fight massive proxy wars to prop up third world hellhole dictators because they supported one philosophy or another.

We also did some awesome things.

Russia used to have a secure cable line running from the Kremlin to their largest / most northern naval base, running on the ocean bed.  During the Cold War we tapped it.  And they didn't discover this for years.   IIRC, they stumbled on it while doing maintenance, pulled the box off, and when they opened it up on the surface, the inside was stamped "Property of the US Government."

They have it on display at the Kremlin's Cold War museum in Moscow.

(I think we should have asked for it back.  For the lols.)


That one sounds an awful lot like IVY BELLS. The Soviets didn't "find" it during maintenance; a traitor inside NSA told his handlers about it.
 
2013-04-08 05:22:28 PM  
Do they go back to November 22, 1963?
 
2013-04-08 07:09:29 PM  

neversubmit: Sigh, you don't know what you are talking about, Mr. Assange and Wikileaks are not one and the same he is running for a senate seat meanwhile Wikileaks keeps doing what it does.


Frankly, and this is me being perfectly, bluntly honest with you, I really don't give a shiat what "Mr. Assange" is doing at the moment, nor do I have any respect for him.

He's as big of a propagandist as the Governments he "exposed" on his website, and he proved this with the self-aggrandizing attention whoring when called out for "creatively editing for impact" the Collateral Damage video and dataset he released.

I have no respect for him, most of all because he's a narcissistic hypocrite.
 
2013-04-08 10:40:31 PM  
Mr Kissinger updates his autobio in 3.. 2.. 1..
 
2013-04-09 07:47:21 AM  

hardinparamedic: neversubmit: Sigh, you don't know what you are talking about, Mr. Assange and Wikileaks are not one and the same he is running for a senate seat meanwhile Wikileaks keeps doing what it does.

Frankly, and this is me being perfectly, bluntly honest with you, I really don't give a shiat what "Mr. Assange" is doing at the moment, nor do I have any respect for him.

He's as big of a propagandist as the Governments he "exposed" on his website, and he proved this with the self-aggrandizing attention whoring when called out for "creatively editing for impact" the Collateral Damage video and dataset he released.

I have no respect for him, most of all because he's a narcissistic hypocrite.


Then why bother with these threads?
 
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