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(Washington Times)   Reviewer: Sam Raimi's new Evil Dead is going out in wide release with an R rating is an example of just how far our society has gone off the rails and come to accept bloodletting as entertainment. DO YOU EVEN REMEMBER THE EIGHTIES?   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 12
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2013-04-08 11:41:44 AM
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Fano: I recall Kevin bacon getting sucked through a waterbed, then exploding in a fountain of blood that last for at least 10 seconds


That was Johnny Depp.
2013-04-08 11:42:26 AM
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Fano: I recall Kevin bacon getting sucked through a waterbed, then exploding in a fountain of blood that last for at least 10 seconds


Are you trolling horror nerds with an incorrect Nightmare on Elm Street reference in a Sam Raimi thread?
2013-04-08 02:34:58 PM
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Galileo's Daughter: I guess the question would then become, can you watch too much violence and become desensitized to where you can't separate fantasy from reality?


Best evidence is no, as long as you're older than about three, people react more sympathetically to actual victims of violence when they are desensitized to it by showing you a lot of it.   People actually form bonds with people they see in pain, which is why when you want to teach someone to brutalize another person, you first have to seperate them from the results of their actions and teach them to stop thinking of people as people, but as some other derogatory label.  If you want to brainwash someone into thinking it's okay to hurt someone, you show them that person as a powerful threat, not as a pitiable victim.  In horror, there is release that comes from identifying with the victim, and then being relieved you are not the victim.  That's essentially practicing empathy, not psychotic behavior.

Yes, boys especially like to act tough by empathizing with the killers, and reanact violence scenes.  That's more or less a form of sympathetic magic that males engage in to emulate the behavior of someone who has power over them, in order to ritualize not showing fear toward them.  We do that to train our brains to prefer the fight response when confronted with danger, by mentally considering yourself to be on the same authority/predatory level as the attacker, in order to respond to the threat.  Boys that do that are more likely to end up firemen, military members, and in the police than brutally murdering someone, because they've associated the post-traumatic pleasure of a horror movie with the concept of taking action against injustice/violence/evil, and actively develop the "fight" portion of their "fight or flight" response in direct correlation with seeing people being injured around them.
2013-04-08 02:05:36 PM
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Slaves2Darkness: Because you mouth breathing Christian farkers won't let us show tits, ass, pussy and cocks. It sets your Neo-Puritan hearts all a flutter.


As is often said in these threads when this topic comes up....

Hammer a six-inch nail into a woman: Rated R
Hammer a six-inch penis into a woman: Rated NC-17
Hammer a six-inch nail into a board with your penis: Deborah Foreman
2013-04-08 01:36:19 PM
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hubiestubert:  Pretty dang much.

It's no "I Spit on Your Grave" but yeah, it's The Evil Dead. Did folks think that it was about sunshine and kittens? It was a film that had its roots in the splatter gore of a LOT of movies previous. Friday the 13th, Halloween, and a brazillion Full Moon movies. Cripes folks, if you don't want to see it, then don't go. No one makes you, you know...



Well, it's not like the author was saying movies like that should be banned, the author was just saying they didn't think it should be rated R. Whether we agree or not I think that's an entirely reasonable argument to make. They were saying that theatrical release horror movies by and large have gotten more graphic and explicit over the years, and what would have once been rated the equivalent of an NC-17 is now being dropped down to an R. I also think that's probably pretty reasonable to argue as well.

Myself? Ehhhhh... I'm torn on these in general. I'd personally like to see the ratings for gorefests adjusted upwards too. Put a couple of dongs in there and it's instant NC-17. But if someone is tortured to death these days you get an R. That to me is a pretty sad indictment of our backwards views on sex and violence, where the depictions of perfectly natural naked human bodies or human sexual activity is apparently somehow more objectionable to us as a society then sadistically murdering someone. So I'd like to see the two reversed... ease up on the ratings for sex/nudity and raise the ratings for violence. We'll still be able to see the movies just fine if we're so inclined.

I do worry about the desensitizing influence of ever more and more sadistic entertainment on our society. Yes, most people can tell the difference between reality and fiction. Yes, the few that can't are going to be beyond reason in general. I agree with all of that - but I don't see a contradiction with worrying that increasing levels of violence and sadism in our popular entertainment might very well desensitize us to some degree to violence and sadism. It might not result in causing more people to go out and commit more crimes, but I don't think it's unreasonable to suspect it might make us somewhat less sensitive to violence and abuses we see occuring and might otherwise have confronted. Maybe...

And even if today's levels of sadism won't have an effect on us as a people, are we confident that there's no level at which case it will? So maybe today's sadism doesn't reach the bar, but perhaps in a decade or two the sadism in our media will have gotten even more pronounced and then DOES start to have an effect on how we act...
2013-04-08 12:42:20 PM
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I wasn't so much bothered by the gore as I am bothered by the fact that we're giving the time of day to a review I stopped reading the moment the article stated that they were surprised that Mr Raimi would want to make such a sadistic film since he is a father and "patriotic American"
2013-04-08 11:57:55 AM
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About 90 percent of the new film's running time consists of finding brutal and bloody ways to kill a person, including shotgun blasts, nail guns, broken mirror shards, strangulations, drowning, electrocution, burning and live burial. I haven't even mentioned the dungeon full of rotting cat corpses hanging from the ceiling, the dog that has its throat slashed, the moving tree branches that violate a woman (don't ask), and the numerous forced or accidental amputations along the way.



Wait, I thought the tree rape was out of this one?

/I will probably rent this. I cannot get my wife to watch TWD let alone something a little scary.
2013-04-08 11:50:20 AM
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markfara: Oh, and I saw that piece of sh*t over the weekend. The fact that it's gotten a fair number of good reviews is a sadder commentary on our culture than the amount of blood the film contains.


I liked it.  shut up.
2013-04-08 11:41:31 AM
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Galileo's Daughter: Do we as a society accept bloodletting as entertainment?  No, but a subset of the population does (c/f the Saw, Friday the 13th, and Hostel franchises).  Let them watch their movies, and we'll all go see Jurassic Park in 3D.


In general, anyone who denies we accept bloodletting as entertainment simply prefers a form of entertainment where you get to act more shocked when the gore is finally presented.  Humans want to either be repulsed by violence to experience it vicariously and feel safer from it, or they want to laugh at violence to desensitize it and claim power over it.   Only psychopaths aren't rewarded by their brains for seeing violence and either fleeing from it or confronting it.  That's more or less how our brain chemistry works.  Of course we exploit that for profit.
2013-04-08 11:40:43 AM
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Fano: I recall Kevin bacon getting sucked through a waterbed, then exploding in a fountain of blood that last for at least 10 seconds


Errrr...........no.
2013-04-08 10:48:36 AM
1 votes:
So I guess those people never saw RoboCop.
2013-04-08 10:21:02 AM
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 Pretty dang much.

It's no "I Spit on Your Grave" but yeah, it's The Evil Dead. Did folks think that it was about sunshine and kittens? It was a film that had its roots in the splatter gore of a LOT of movies previous. Friday the 13th, Halloween, and a brazillion Full Moon movies. Cripes folks, if you don't want to see it, then don't go. No one makes you, you know...
 
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